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This is the alien UFO podcast episode two hundred and thirty seven and I'm your host Simon Baum . And just so you know, my book titled Aspects of Alien Abduction has been published and you can get it on paperback, audiobook, or Kindle on Amazon. This week I'm talking to Steve Aspen and Andreas Lark about their book Investigating The Impossible . Biology offers new answers and insights . Steve has had encounters with non human intelligence throughout his life. Dr. Andreas Luck is a cellular biologist, geneticist, and co author of Investigating the Impossible . He holds a PhD and MSC degrees in molecular biology, biochemistry and genetics , and spent three years post doctoral research work at Harvard University. Hi Steven Andreas, thanks a lot for coming back to the podcast . Hi, Simon. Good to hear you again. Yeah, hi Simon. Nice to be here again. So we're talking about your book. It's called Investigating the Impossible . Biology offers new answers and insights and last time you were here we talked about the NASCA mummies but there's so much more in your book and I've got a million questions left over . The first thing I wanted to ask about was this idea of hybrids and whether it's biologically possible theoretically to do that . But before we get into it, could Steve, could you like give us an overview of the hybrid phenomenon? Well, it's been reported by our books or experiences, whatever particular description you want to give these people. I know that you've written a book compiling a load s of these experiences that have just been published in May so you're very familiar with the territory . It's been reported by thousands of these people over decades that they interact with with originally types of beings during their abduction that looked like a cross between an alien species and a human species . And later they interacted with beings that looked exactly like us in other words, they were the human in every detail , but they seemed to be in some way ser ving the alien agenda because they seem to have admittedly weakened but evidentially present abilities of speaking to the abductees telepathically and being able to control their actions or thoughts or influence their actions or thoughts at will and render them unable to run away or calm them down or . So this phenomenon interactions hybrid or transgeenic beings, which is what we talk about in the book is a persistent theme of the UFP abduction issue for several decades and it won't go away. You know, it continues to be reported by more and more people . So Andreas will tell you a brief history of how he was asked to investigate this particular phenomenon and what really is going on and whether we can work out what might be going on here . Yeah , the way I was first approached by to get into this topic in particular the hybrids was when Elbrant von Ludwiger the late president of my organization that I'm a part or member of the which is called EGAP IGAP and a couple of years ago when he was still alive, he asked me , Andreas, you're a molecular biologist . And we have all these reports from abductees and experiences that claim to have enc ountered those beings that partly look like us, partly looked like them , can you do me a favor and can you investigate that? So it took me about a year and a half to conduct some investigation into that , which is about well, I would say halfway to two thirds of what we present in the book . And well, at first it does seem a little bit odd to have hybrid beings with between extraterrestrial species and humans. So I started to dig deeper and I encountered the books written by David Jacobs and he has five c ategories of hybrid beings, so to speak , called phases one through five . In phase one these beings look pretty much like Steve described a moment ago , about halfway alien and halfway humans . In phase two they already look a little more human, but still alien enough so that one could say, okay we have more or less the true hybrid here and phases three through five . The physical characteristics of the alien species are more and more gone . And phases four and five, they're completely gone. Phase five, actually David Jacobs calls or termed hubrid U B R ID not hybrid and that for a good reason as Steve also pointed out a moment ago these beings are completely indistinguishable from any other human from humans , so they look exactly like us . I just wanted to get there that Dick had said that he'd been told by many of the abductees who worked with him that these ultrasade human looking ones specifically told him that the objective of their existence, the purpose of their existence is to live here with us all time . That's their purpose . In all the other stages of hybridization that you outlined in the other stages, that's not the case. They're not they're not living here. They're just come in and out or they're only met during the e abduction experiences . But this specific category of beings that look exactly human and tortured behavior like exactly a human, their job is to live here and integrate with us and our society . Okay, that's a different part of the whole hybrid issue . And if we have enough time, we may actually address that particular point a little bit later in the discussion . But for now , so there are a couple of questions. First is what actually are the biological prerequisites from both species that must be met in order to actually be or to actually deliver a hybrid being. And there are a couple there's a whole number of prerequisites. For example , the biochemistry of the other species must be based on the element carbon, just like our biochemistry is entirely based on the element carbon . Then there has to be the same type of genetic material which is DNA which is RNA and so forth. So there is a whole set of prerequisites that must be met also in the other species . If they are not met then it stops right there. There will be no hybrid beings if those prerequisites are not met . But even if they are met , then we have a whole lot of other issues that must be considered by the in quotation marks extraterrestrial gene engineers , so to speak, question mark ing quotation mark closing, sorry . So there is for, exam ple, cell division, mitosis, there is meosis, the generation of germ cells . There is the issue of fertilization . That's a very big issue. You know, there are those individuals or those authors and TV shows that propagate and then the extraterrest rial came down from the skies. They had sex with human women. And then those women would deliver hybrid beings like in the ancient Greek and Roman mythologies , the giants , but also described in the Bible . And it's not quite that simple, Steve, you want to add to that ? No, I just think it's the references of this specifically in the Bible are in the very early part of the Old Testament in the book of Genesis and they say the Nephilim, the Nephilim were born of human women and sometimes called the angels or the gods who interbred with them . So you know, that would be that will be the way it's translated from the original Hebrew it may you know, the Nephalim were giant giant people. Yeah, that's that's correct. But more recent then we have authors like Eric One Danikan , who is the founder of the ancient pre astronautic society , and who also claims that the extraterrestrials came down from their spaceships and they had sex with human women. And then the hybrid beings would be born as offspring and along those lines. But if you really look into the biology, things are much more complicated hello more complicated . And there must be a whole set of things be considered and taken into account and overcome . One of them is the fertilization issue . For example, the way Eric Condenician propagates them to had sex, well, it doesn't work like that. First of all , the the sexual organs must be compatible, which means in a manner of speaking, the male sex primary sexual characteristic, the penis in humans would have to fit into the human vagina of the women . If that's not the case, then the story ends right there. But assuming for a moment, even it does work , then the next thing is the fertilization. Fertilization is when sperm meets an oxyte and the genetic material of those two germ cells fuse and from there a cygode is being produced and from there a new living being is being grows and then it sees the light of the day within a couple of months in the human case nine months later . The fertilization issue is more complicated the oversight and around the oversight is a layer of vinyl chem o biological material that is a protective shield of sort . It's a little bit more like oil slime if you want . And the sperm must actively work its way through that zone layer, which is called the zona pellucida . And in order to do that, the sperm, human sperm has in its tip , there is a vesicle. And this vesicle is filled with enzymes and those enzymes when the sperm hits the oaside the vesicle is being released and the enzymes are being released and they actively dismantle that protective layer . But even that is not the end of the story. A second st ep must also be met and that is two membrane proteins . One is called juno and the other one is called Izumo one must meet and they work like in a key and lock principle . Only the perfect correct Izumo one protein can actually meet with the correct unoprotein and then only then the genetic material of the sperm, the DNA is being released into the o cyte . When that happens, a zygote is being created and out of that dygote, it's the one cell which now has the again diploid chromosomal set like it always has to be . And now all we need is mitosis, the regular cell division and from there a living organism grows and is being born within a couple of months . But even so there is more to that . with mitosis it's the regular cell division. There has to be when one cell division is finished , a certain amount of time has to pass until the next mitosis can be initiated . That is there's a good reason for that and that period of time that is needed in order to start the second mitosis after the end of the first one is called the cell cycle . The cell cycle is divided into interface and the actual mitosis , and the interface is then being subdivided into three other portions called G one or gap one , S for synthesis and G two for GAAP two . In the G one phase , the cell is physiologically active and undergoes most of the biochemical energy and But is it possible for AI to work in the enterprise ? The short answer is yes . The long answer is oh yes . Users can pick the AI providers they prefer and you can decide which data is off limits, monitor all AI activity, and control every detail . This is Enterprise AI from Ireland . AI at its best by keeping out the worst scaled for the enterprise from Ireland . Attorney advising Attorney McKenzie Johnson, I've been California is responsible for this advertisement. This ad may include AI generated voices. Former foster youth have filed lawsuits alleging abuse by Dr. Patrick Klein during medical examinations. 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The S phase in humans takes about eight hours and during that those eight hours, the three billion base pairs are being reduplicated, and P two, the GAAP two phase is mostly concerned with the control of the S phase that everything has been reduplicated correctly . Errors and mistakes were if and when detected will be corrected . And then once the G two phase comes to its end and only then the next m itosis will be able to happen . And then the whole thing repeats itself as long as growth or wound healing or whatever needs to be done with my torsis needs to be completed . Another issue would be the individual development. For example , limbs limb development , which is legs and arms . And for that , we have to have a very specific biochemical proced ure that needs to be followed . I don't want to explain that in much detail here , but there is a couple of so called morphogenic factors being involved. Morphogenic factors are proteins that are synthesized in one area of the developmental limb blood , and they diffuse out and while diffusing out, we have a region where there's a high concentration of that particular prote in and then we have regions farther away where there is a low concentration. It's a gradient. And this gradient is crucial for the development of the specific limb bud . If that is not the case , then there will be misformations and malform ations in individual development . We have also the issue of differentiation . You see once the initial stage is the zygote and the initial ten or fifteen cell divisions of the zygote will not deliver any kind of specific tissue. But at some point , differentiation needs to set in and will set in. It's a highly controlled genetically controlled mechanism that in the end will develop organs like brain , stomach , liver , intestines , groins , testicles , and everything just like that . The thing is once a cell has entered a specific path of differentiation , there is no turning back . So it can only move forward. And in the end , when it reaches its final differentiation stage , there is nothing else that a cell can be as it is , not turning back, not turning sideways . That also needs to be considered by the ETs if they want to create hybrid beings , then there is the issue of communication between cells and within cells , between organ systems that are quite far away and part of that is managed and accomplished by hormones . Part of that is accomplished by other factors and part of that is accomplished within the cell by even other molecules . All that needs to be addressed and taken into account if anyone would want to create a hybrid being from two biologically not in the least bit related species . So would you say that actually it just seems impossible . But I suppose on the other side of it, we just don't know how advanced their technology is. Yes, Simon, that's a comment that's a statement that I hear all the time. We don't know what they're techn ically accomplished or what they can technically accomplish. And yes, it's true, but what is also true is that human biology cannot be simply overridden because all the processes that I just described have been developed over millions and millions and millions of years. They have been through a high pressure selection in evolution and they have been perfect ed . Just as an example , if you 're everything is let in the in the end, everything is molec ules and these molecules interact with one another in a specific way . And that's the way they do interact. And there is no other way and there is no way of just just disrupting that whole system and yet still accomplish what cannot be done normally without the proper procedures . Tswer your question, it does seem to be impossible . You know, yes , it's pretty much impossible given the idea that you want to create a true hybrid being . And here we come back to David Jacobs and his five phases of hybrid beings in quotation marks . Well, I was wondering why is it that the stages three, four and five, especially four and five , so called hybrid beings do not show any kind of physical characteristic from the other species . That is that biologically is not possible if you actually do want to create a true hybrid being. I'll give you an example . A horse and a donkey. They can be crossed and the offspring would be a mule . A mule clearly shows physical characteristics from both species from horse and also from donkey . They are fertilizing fertilizing infertilizing perspectives sterile, which means they cannot produce viable offspring. That has to do with the faultty meosis which is caused by the number of chromosomes within body cells of mules, which is an uneven number . And you see in meosis, there is one cell at the beginning and at the end, the germ cells are four . So you have to divide your genomic genetic material into four cells evenly . So that each of those four different cells carries the same number of chromosomes . Horses have sixty four chromosomes in their body cells . Donkeys have sixty two . So if you go and look at the germ cells , each germ cell has half of the number of chromosomes like a regular body cell , which means across this you have thirty two and for donkeys you have thirty one chromosomes in each germ cell . Now if these two germ cells from horse and donkey meet and they create a mule , then the resulting diploid cell carries sixty three chromosomes in a body cell of a mule . Now try to divide sixty three chromosomes evenly onto four different cells. It's not possible because it's an uneven number . That is why the mule cannot have offspring . So coming back to the initial point , my question was that I asked myself, why is it that they don't show any kind of physical characteristics of the other species? None at all in the more advanced stages . And the answer likely they are not hybrids . They are perfectly human . Now you can say, okay, but what about stage one where they really look like half and half? True. But that in my personal opinion, this is a prototype . And they most likely came soon to realize that they cannot override more human biology just like that with something like a magic wand and all of a sudden human biology doesn't exist anymore . So most likely they came to realize that it's not that simple and maybe it's nearly next to impossible to create a true hybrid being . And maybe that wasn't even the intention because as Steve pointed out, the type five hybrids, the Hubrids , have the expressed purpose and task to live on this planet and to be integrated as part of regular human societies and not stand out with like a sore thumb . So then the question is what are they If they are not true hybrids , the answer is the only other alternative explanation is they are transgenics . Transgenics are individuals or species beings that are perfectly normal as in within their spec ies. There. For humans, they are human . But they have one or maybe a few additional genes implanted into them most likely at the stage of the zygot, the genetic manipulation . And that makes them look like humans, but they are not quite human . And this is most likely what those type five or phase five hybrids, the hubrids are. What are the genes that they could potentially carry extra , I have no idea . What I could explain if this if you want how most likely , they actually will be transformed or be come those transgenic individuals . I don't know if it's an assumption that the grays have evol ved on another planet , so they don't have DNA or they're so different from us. But at the same time , they're the same shape as us, aren't they with a head and two arms and two legs ? Which would that suggest that perhaps in some way they're related to us ? Not necessarily. I was asking me the same question on a before and I have no proof, no evidence, no nothing, it's just an idea . That particular humanoid shape that we have , two legs, two arms and a head stuck in the middle of the between two shoulders could for some reason be a preferred shape or anatomy , if you want or morphology, if you want , even outside of this planet, it doesn't have to be limited to Earth . And you're right, if they have evolved on a different planet, then the genetic material most likely is not exactly the DNA that we have. You're perfectly right with that. So could it be a thing that almost like for life to evolve somewhere, DNA is a universal constant across the whole universe. Like life can't exist if it doesn't have DNA I cannot completely rule that out. I have to admit Simon . But from a biological point of view and from a, let's say heart science point of view in general , you have to imagine the number of circumstantial happenings but by chance happenings on other planets to create exactly the same molecule, that DNA atom for atom and each of those atoms is at the same the very same position like in human DNA , the chance for that, the probability for that to have to happen just by chance is next to zero Simply for the reasons, let me let me give a little bit into the physics here in our realm for a moment. First of all there is the star . We have different types of stars, red ones , yellow ones, white ones, we have dwarfs stars, we have brown ones and so forth . Then we have planets rotating rotating around that particular star . And depending on the distance of this particular planet from its star, it's either in the habitable zone or it's not. Is it a planet like Earth or is it more like a planet like Jupiter, a gas giant ? All of that depends on the specific physical conditions of that particular star system . Then there are other issues . What about even if the planet would be positioned in the habitable zone , it's still does it have any water? What about gravity ? What about clay tectonics and the whole nine yards you know see what I'm aiming for . It's each planet is different . There is no other planet in this universe that's exactly like Earth that we live on . That is simply not happening . So coming back to your initial question, is it possible that DNA is the universal constant in the universe I cannot completely rule it out, but in my opinion it's next to impossible almost zero, not quite zero because nobody really knows that and nobody can actually know that at this moment in time . But the chances for exactly that are quite minimal . Is it possible for AI to work in the enterprise? The short answer is yes . The long answer is oh yes . Users can pick the AI providers they prefer and you can decide which data is off limits , monitor all AI activity and control every detail . This is Enterprise AI from Ireland . AI at its best by keeping out the worst, scaled for the enterprise from Ireland . Now at McDonald's get an eight dollar McCicken or a nine dollar McDouble FIFA World Cup meal deal. They come with small fries, a soft drink, four piece McNuggets, and one of nine legendary cups. At participating's for limited time, supplies supplies, all right, rightser twentyve twenty six McDonald's Field twenty six. So what about this thing of in alien abduction accounts that it's a multi gener thing maybe your grandparents, your parents and then you and they may be, I don't know, doing something over the generations to make hybridization or transgenesis more likely . Yes, I hear what you're saying, but that's probably a different plan even or a different project of the other species because what they seem to be doing there is they alter existing genes in humans and they trace those changes through generations within families . You see, I've been working as a geneticist in a laboratory in Boston at the Harvard Medical School and we used to work with mice . And we would change the genetics of those mice . And then we would trace the changes through offspring for three, four, five generations . And that seems to be exactly the same pattern that we did in the lab in Boston that they do with us. Only in their case we, are the m ice and not the other way around . So in a way, they change existing genes for what purpose , I have no idea. But of course , I have some thoughts . Well, basically , in many cases or in some cases, at least , when abductees are being trans ported to those spaceships or wherever these facilities are that they use . They're being shown for example thermonuclear wars or environmental pollution and so forth. We humans have a history of destroying our own earth to destroy resources that we need to survive . And one of the ideas that's part of that is biochemically speaking caused by a hormone , a steroid hormone that is called testosterone . Testosterone is responsible for for a large degree of human aggression and other negative behaviors , violence and so forth . So in that context, if you put these two things together . Those that the abductes are being shown while on those spaceships about environmental pollution , thermonuclear wars and so forth and the test is the wrong issue , then it would make sense. I have no proof, but it would make sense if someone if they would try to minimize the amount of testosterone testosterone in the human body . Completely eliminating testosterone is not possible because in men it's mostly responsible for for the primary sexual characteristics in men, which means testicles and penis . But even in women, in women, testosterone has a certain biochemical function. So completely take it out of the human biology will not is not possible . So what about this idea that what they're doing , they seem to be succeeding it from what the witnesses say , but could it be that what they're doing is very fragile and not very stable ? So over time it just degrades and they're not the hubrids so to speak, aren't able to procreate ? If hubrids are to have offspring , I don't know. Steve, did you ever hear about that? Certainly, they mate with humans, right? With abductees, but the interesting thing is in all the abduction reports we don't know of any incidents or we don't know of any incidence where these hubrids ever mate with each other. They are not attracted to each other . So So they seem to be redesigned to only interact with humans in that way. And we know that the females do and the males interact with male humans and the male humans, male transgenics interact with female humans there are many, many reports of those cases, but I'm not sure if any of these matings resulting offspring are successful . Lots of abductees who have been exposed to these tituations and have fairly clear a memory rec say the one thing about the female so called hubrids or the transgeenics is they don't appear to be able to conceive no matter who they make when they don't be able to conce ive. So that seems to be a shortcoming in the state the state of the biology as it's been engineered, they just don't seem to be able to do it. Whether the male humrids or transgender can produce a fertile sperm with good motility that can mate with a human, we actually don't know that either because although some female abductees blame their giving birth to star children or whatever, I don't think there's any biological evidence that that happens. Or there's no biological evidence that we can trust, you know, that's validates that that happens in reality . Okay , that would actually support one of my other ideas that they need to continue to produce those hubrids quite likely indefinitely because just exactly for that particular that Steve just pointed out, they may not be able to have viable offspring for reasons completely unknown . And if that is the case, then the alien species in order to meet their goal with the master plan behind everything that they need to continuously produce hubrids , bring them on this planet and eventually actually reach both that both my plans are being successful. The first one , eliminating quite lightly the violent behavior out of the human species , and the other one have the hubrids take over or undermine or something like that , the human societies take over quite likely political positions eventually that when we don't know exactly who is Hubert and who is not . And in the end work kind of like against humanity and in favor of the other alien species Sounds quite sinister, doesn't it? I've got an idea that comes from my other work that I do with past life regression and looking for evidence that consciousness surviv es death. I'm wondering if what they're doing is a good thing. I'm not saying this is definitely happening. It's just an idea. The hubrids are like an upgrade for the human race so that when we incarnate in those bodies we're more likely to be more spiritual, I suppose. They inherit some of the abilities of the grays, it seems to do with ESP and things . So that was just an idea I had. Yeah, but that those abilities could quite likely be transmitted transmitted through those extra dreams. The dreams that they are received to be transgenic . I will give you an example of what transgenisis really means . And it's a quite simple example . There is the species pig, PIG and they look exactly like pigs . And in the late nineteen eighties , I think there was There was in the agricultural industry there was some genetic manipulation done to some of those pigs and they in the end they were turned Europigs . And what they received was one , just one extra gene and that extra gene coded and for a growth factor . And this one extra gene in that pig led to a situation that it had so much body mass built up on top of the normal body mass by means of the activity of that particular growth factor gene that it was so heavy his legs would not support weight. And that's just one gene. That is just one gene . That is just one simple gene for one growth factor led to that particular situation that the pig couldn't move , it many of them actually just from standing, they would collapse under their own weight. You've got a thing from Reddit in the book with an anonymous biologist who clsaimed to have work on the bodies of recovered aliens . And when you look at what he's written there, does it make sense to you? On first glance, yes, it does, but only on first glance . And only you actually can dismantle that whole thing . Only if you have very, very deep knowledge about biology . When I read this post first, Steve actually sent it to me and he asked me to look it over and tell him if that's plausible or not. On first reading, I thought to myself, okay , maybe it's possible. Then I read it two, three, two, three, two more times, three more times, four more times . And each time I read it again , I realized and discovered big mistakes and just sometimes simple nonsense that was written in that post . So but it's quite difficult to peel away those multiple layers of disinformation that's in the particular post to actually get to the to the to the to the to the ground of it. Hi Diva, it's Rachel. And Jordan, yeah, hi, a quick question. Why are you not spending your Venmobalance? Yeah, we're concerned. You can like buy stuff with it. You love buying stuff and earn cash back on eligible purchases. You love purchasing eligible things. So the money your friend sent you yesterday, that's today's ramen or rideshare or eye patches. The skincare kind , not the pyrokine. 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Another thing I wanted to ask, I was taken through a past life regression in December and I asked him to investigate if I've had any contacts with grays because I've seen UFO's close up and this memories did pop up and one of them was that I was lying back on this table . This tall gray came over and put its face maybe an inch from mine and it felt like it was looking into my brain, into my mind, looking through my thoughts and emotions and memories . And you've got that in the book, which I think you called Mind Scan. And what do you think's happening there? We have different ideas about this different . Yeah, indeed . Well, there's a lot of testimony from abductes from their abductin experience or those who are aware of they've had such experiences , they always report that well, first of all some of the things they say would explain missing time phenomenon . Like many of your listeners will be familiar with the missing time phenomenon. It's where someone is they in the in the living room and they get up to put the kettle on or make a cup of coffee and suddenly they find themselves displaced , they might be in a different room or they might be on the other side of the room and the light outside is different. It's got dark and they just feel that something really strange happened. And then they look at the clock and it's two hours later than it was a second ago . This time just vanishes . And when Abduct es are taken during this sleep , this is this is not so noticeable that the the abductors can take people in their sleep and take them away for two or three hours and turn them to the bed when the abductee wakes up, they don't actually notice the missing time because you know in a state of sleep you don't actually notice missing time but you just they just feel more tired in the morning and they just feel like they've had a very strange night and something very odd might have happened . But what' abduct fees report sometimes in these encounters is when they're lying on the table having procedures performed on them at the end of the whole process , one of the tall gray aliens because there are two types they have a very similar morphology, but the taller ones are about five foot or five foot six inches tall and the sh orter ones are quite half that height, but they're no they're no taller than three feet that you get for about two foot, six or three feet too easily you can convert that into centimeters , eter aboutnal it' sesventeen centimet tall . So one of the tall ones who tends to do these mental procedures and they're very complex physical medical procedures , they will put their face over the top of the abductee's face and they twist their head around and all they can see is one gigantic eye that there they usually describe the aliens face is eyes as being either black or very very deep shade of dark brown. And then sometimes they see something moving in their eye, like a little blue light that seems to wiggle around . And the alien seems to moves his or her head around . Sometimes they walk around the table and they get their eye within a few millimeters sometimes of the abductee's eye . And the abductee reports that they feel suddenly happens and what you describe, Simon, that 's a few minutes ago that they feel that their brain is being read or being invaded and they feel all sorts of emotions go through them like a shock. Some of them feel great sexual desire, some of them feel fear . Some of them feel anger or anxiety . Some of them feel a sense of universal oneness or bliss or an amazing physical relaxation. There's a whole range of emotions they describe but what's been happening is that the alien is somehow triggering these emotions through the eye contact . So what happens sometimes they'll say they'll say the alien will say telepathically to them you're not going to remember anything that's happened the past two hours or you're not going to remember any of this . And so when the abductee basically is returned to their normal circumstance, they just feel this big chunk of prime is missing . And what it seemed that they seemed to do is they place the experience of those two or three hours into the abducte's long term memory . And this staring is sometimes called the staring procedure where they they engage through the ISO eye contact with the engage through the optic nerve. It may be they they do that. It seems they may do that because that goes straight into the Adultese brain. They seem to have an astounding natural ability or it might be angered ability, engineered into them, but they are able to place that period of time into the abductee's long term memory . So in order to recover it, you have to be able to learn to teach yourself to remember things that they feel fifty five years old. You try and remember one day in your life when you're six and it might be it might be birthday or Christmas day or something those dates tend to stand out in people's lives, but it might be just an ordin ary day one day when you know relives visited you or you went on a trip somewhere and you train your mind, you train your memory to yield up the information about that day, what the weather was like, what you were wearing , what people said to you , whether you felt happy, whether it was warm , the kind of clothes you're wearing on that day, you know, the size of your feet and so forth with your child . And if you if you recall in detail that those kind of details, you're training your long term memory . You train yourself to access your long term memory. And if you train yourself over time to do that, you can usually better remember your abductive experiences if you train ed your memory to work in those ways . Andreas doesn't think the eye to eye contact or the optic nerve contacts is responsible for this. He thinks it's done a slightly different way. Maybe let's talk about