Star Children and Evolving Human Consciousness

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This is an alien UFO podcast classic episode and I'm your host Simon Bown . There are a number of UFO episodes that I released on the podc ast a few years ago that are full of great information, and I thought it would be a good idea to share them for listeners who may have missed them the first time around . This week I'm talking to Mary Rodwell about her book It's called The New Human Awakening to Our Cosmic Heritage Mary is one of Australia's leading researchers and writers in the UFO and Contact phenomenon areas . She is the founder and principal of Australian Close Encounters Resource Network. Mary is also director and chair of the Experiencer Support Programs at Dr. Edgar Mitchell Foundation for Research into extraterrestrial encounters. Hi Mary, thanks a lot for coming onto the podcast. It's an absolute pleasure, Simon . I wanted to talk to you because you've got a reputation for doing this amaz ing research and you've got your great books out and one of the books I wanted to talk to you about is the new Human Awakening to our cosmic heritage . But for our listeners who don't know about you, could you tell us about your background ? Well, a presee of my background would be that I was a nurse and a midwife registered in the UK and after I had my children I, then was invited to learn counseling and worked in a medical practice actually in Norfolk for about four years, five years before we migrated to Australia and I lived in Perth for nearly twenty years where I continued with counselling rather than go back into nursing because I was looking at prevention rather than cure. And a lot of as you know, Simon, emotional and psychological issues are often the precursor to being unwell and getting various illnesses. So I liked the idea of prevention rather than cure. I did grief and bereavement for a couple of years , looking at those also that were dying in hospice . So really faced with a lot of huge emotional trauma on one level or another through my counselling experience and I also continued with working at another counselling agency . So counselling was my baseline ultimately. But in the process of that I was doing a lot of self exploration into a whole range of what I call spiritual aspects to our lives because after working with people who were dying, one of the questions was, you know, do you believe in life after death? And do you think that there's, you know, the reality of spirit? All these kinds of things came up as a counselor and they're asking what I thought about it. And although I had a very what I would call religious upbringing in the sense that you know, I was a Catholic Matthew Son of Sunday, all of that. I felt that I was questioning many things in the dogma of the particular Christian religion. And I was looking at reincarnation because it was interesting to read stories about reincarnation and how valid it seemed to be for some people . And from that, and to cut the long story short, I started to I was asked to develop some of my own awareness and abilities. One of them was learning how to do hypnosis and do as you do. I know Simon with past life regressions . I did clinical hypnotherapy, although I wasn't taught how to do past life. It was the standard kinds of issues that you know that I learned , but I developed the past life side of it myself by looking into things like Dr. Michael Newton and his between life hypnotherapy where he wrote , you know, people having recall of between lives and that fascinated me with them coming up with soul journeys , you know, the Monads, which is, you know, the Seoul families and this kind of thing. So I developed a fascination of that for that, but particularly past lies which seemed sometimes very relev ant to present day experiences in their lives where they may have a phobia, for example , of something that wasn't necessarily a present from a present present life, this life was from another lifetime and going into what actually happened and helping them to remove that imprint that so that they no longer had a phobia . And that was very satisfying . But in between all of that, I was also developing my own awareness, my own abilities , learning how to use work with energy, doing healing , energy work , tapping into what I call my team . I spent three years training to do that so that what that did was allow me to understand how people open up to their multidimensional awareness, how they start to work or understand their abilities like seeing energy fields or seeing orbs of light or spirits or non human intelligences, for example . So I got to understand how that activates these abilities and this awareness in many people. And it can be very confronting. But what do you do when you start to see more than the average? Do you know many people think they're going crazy or if they're very religious, they think it's something to do with demons or whatever, or if they do tap into that, the demons are going to get them. This kind of fear that many people have over opening up multidimensionally . But people who have encounters with non human intelligences, one of the things that's activated is that awareness, that multidimensional awareness we call clairvoyance, clair iance, clair sentience , because they start to have communication, downloads of information, this kind of thing . So my own training allowed me to understand more of how that all worked because I was opening up to that myself . And that enabled me to work in a particular way with past, you know, with all regressions . And I got to know Dolores Cannon . And I know that you , you know, you've had experience with those that have learnt her methods. Yeah. And Dolores was a friend of mine. She came and spoke in my groups a few times. We spoke at similar conferences . She was very broad in her approach, as you know, from all her books . My work was primarily to do with people who'd had experiences but also you know occasionally would go into again the past lives and whatever . So although I had a particular specialty for want of a better word in terms of people who have contact with non human intelligences, whatever name they want to give that . I also have worked with people on a whole range of other things from past lives, etc to other lives on other planets, et cetera, et cetera. And that just sort of continues to open out as I work . So in a way , you know, Dolores was certainly a pioneer in terms of opening up to all of this. And I think many of us and she has many people working with her method, I develop my own , which is slightly different and I can always talk about that if you want, Simon, but that's an overview of what's really taken me to three and a half thousand people who've had experiences globally that I've worked with and I've also become involved in a lot of research to do with this experience. And so if we could go back just a bit to I wanted to ask you about working in a hospice because I've interviewed people who researched deathbed visions and shared death experiences, did you see anything like that ? I wasn't exposed to any of that. I was exposed to the fact that people that were in severe grief often had strange things happen, strange anomalies happen where they felt their loved one was around them or guiding them in some way . And that there were lots of occasions where there were strange things happened that they couldn't explain about having still having contact with those that had passed on that they were very close to . And that's been quite fascinating , but they didn't ever talk about visions as such . Although that calls to mind an interesting story because you know, I'm obviously in Australia. And there was a wonderful lady, an aboriginal lady that was talking about hitting a kangaroo and that can happen very much going along at dusk . Sometimes the kangaroos will rush across the road and you sometimes can't avoid hitting them occasionally and that happens and this woman described that as she got out of the car because she'd accidentally hit a kangaroo she actually saw it spirit leaving which, was quite interesting that you were seeing that with that animal . Is there a point in your life where you kind of went from not knowing about this stuff and not believing it to bridging that gap to believing it. Was it a shock? Was there one instant that made you sit back and think, hang on a second, this might actually be real ? A good question, Simon, it's actually a process, isn't it? I mean, I've always been open to the non physical realm from my religious upbringing, you know , even though I don't believe a lot of what was said when we pass on anymore because my research disqualifies some of that, if you like . But what happened was that I've been an avid reader. And even when I was bringing up the kids, if I could grab five minutes to look at an interesting book, whether it was on the paranormal, supernormal, supernature, all these kinds of things have always fascinated me. So I've exploring for right from I remember a small child being interested in anything unusual, strange . It's been part of the life journey anyway . But I was a bit conflict when I came into reincarnation because in Catholicism there's no such thing . You know, when you die, you die, you either go to heaven or hell or whatever . So when I started to read about reincarnation and very valid stories people that had past life memories and were able to qualify those experiences by going to those places and all the things that they remember in their regression they were actually being able to verify . I became very, very intrigued and it made so much more sense to me than saying once you're dead, you're dead . And that was a pivotal one was reading. And of course, you know, reading about spirits, reading about these intuitives , you know, calling psychics or whatever that we're able to see spirits. I never dismissed anything to do with that. My mum, although she was a Catholic, you know, was also very open to spiritualism and went to psychics and mediums and clairvoyance and healers . So I was exposed to that. She's very open minded Catholic. Let's put it like that . And so I never doubted there was a reality to it. I think the thing with the ET stuff was different because I had never really come across that until I coincidentally, which will make everyone laugh or synchronously . I'm getting involved in all the reincarnation stuff and hypnosis taking, people into past lives . I get two books that I pick up that look interesting. And one of them is abduction by Dr. John Mac , a professor of psychiatry at Harvard University , writing the book Abduction Human Encounters with Aliens . And the other book I picked up at the same time was Communion by Whitley Streba, which is the classic book of his experiences with these beings . And I happened to have read those really within weeks of that, a gentleman walked through the door and said there's no I've heard you're open minded but this there's no support groups for this people just think they're crazy and proceeded to say that he woke up with marks on his body, shaved areas. He's having experiences with these non human beings , extraterrestrials, as he called them , and also his family were having experiences as well. So he was having physical marks and it was a family affair. And he said, and the relatives wouldn't come to the house because they were terrified it was demons And that was my first exp osure to the reality from the academic side which was reading those books, thinking, Oh, this is fascinating . Never in my wildest dreams thinking that I would have someone walk through the door and tell me that that was their experience. And his name's Ellis Taylor. He actually lives in the UK . He's written the platform for books now. He's an excellent neurologist as well and he's a dear friend. So what but I can say is his story was compelling because he was articulate, he wasn't over dramatizing it. It was affecting the whole family and he wanted my support if I could help part,icularly with his partner . And I took his case, believe it or not, I was doing advanced counselling at the time at the Wasley Institute , and I decided to really challenge the supervision and taking a case that is so bizarre as this one obviously would have been seen as and I put down all the hypotheses, is he fantasizing? Is it, you know, or is it, you know, some hallucination , or is it actually a reality ? And what was fascinating, Simon, and I know you'll understand this given your own background was that in the group there were social workers, there was a United Minister , there was a whole range of professionals doing advanced counselling . And as I presented the case waiting for them perhaps to say that Ellis was crazy or something , what was fascinating was it opened the door for them to start ing sharing about their own strange experiences, like one was in a haunted house and was seeing spirits and another one explained some of the weird things they'd experienced. So what it had done by me presenting Ellis' story open them up to telling some of their own paranormal experiences , which was bizarre in a way. It wasn't what I expected, and the Un Mitinisingter was the only one who never said anything as a comment to this case study . But what it did do was show me two things one that lots of people can be having unusual multidimensional experiences. But not only that, there was no real way support ing those with these experiences because there was no offer of strategies or anything like that to help me help Ellis and his family . So that was when I went on my own mission and I looked to America and also the I'm just trying to think of what it was called. It was Peer, Dr. Max's organization was called Peer . And I got in touch there and there was another organization at the time , and they were able to they were actually looking into this and offering support . And to cut a long story short, what I did then was I decided to create an organization to support them professionally . And that was when I created a SERN and initially I'd connected also with a social worker that had experienced as well. And we started the first abduction support group in Perth and we had twelve people turn up, which was amazing, considering we thought this was very rare, but of course it isn't rare and it is global and there are not just thousands and not just millions, perhaps even billions of people are having some form of contact. Ryan Reynolds here from Midmobile. I don't know if you knew this, but anyone can get the same premium wireless for fifteen dollars a month plan that I've been enjoying. It's not just for celebrities, so do like I did and have one of your assistant's assistants switch you to Mint Mobile today. I'm told it's super easy to do at mint mobile dot com slash switch. Upfront payment of forty five dollars for three month plan equivalent to fifteen dollars per month required, intro rate first three months only, then full price plan options available, taxes and fees extra. Terms at MintMobile. com And do you feel it's I don't know, if you talk about percentages, then would you say it's thirty percent of people might be doing it fifty percent ? Well, it's hard to know. All I can say is , you know, when people and some people don't even know that they are for them it, may be that it'll be something that happens that activates that memory and they may be in their thirties or forties when that happens where they have this activation or awakening. And it might be because they've just seen a UFO for the first time and that seems to activate memory within them after seeing the UFO. What is interesting with those that have sightings , often when they will ring me and say I've just seen this strange craft and it was there for so many minutes and it was really weird and it was certainly not a conventional aircraft . One of the questions I ask them is, did you feel different afterwards because what they may not be aware of? There's sometimes a pickup or a download when you see a craft and they will suddenly say, yeah, and I got really fascinated with astronomy or I got really fascinated with ancient history and our origins and whatever afterwards . And this is often a really good indicator that something more happened after that sighting. But many people don't know they may have a phobia clowns, Santa Claus, or owls with big eyes or whatever . And these are indicative of a screen memory of the grace , for example, you know, they will present as an image that is familiar , such as a clown or Santa Claus, but the person seems to know it isn't what they're seeing, that 's something else, and then it generates a lot of fear. So if someone's got a fear of clown s or Santa Claus or sometimes skeletons or owls outside the window, that it is quite possible that that's an indicator they've had some form of contact but not understood it because it's a screen for these beings. And when you hear about people being abducted from their beds and cars and things and it sounds like a terrifying experience . But then it seems like as life goes on and they get more and more contact with the ETs it changes to a different type of relationship to people to people say actually at the end of the day I'm glad it's happened. It's absolutely Simon and you've obviously done some homework there. What I've discovered and why I wrote the book Awak ening, how it transforms your life is because it often does . And we had surveys that we did not only from my own research but the research that came from the Dr. Edgar Mitchell Free Foundation, which is in fact co founded by myself, Ray Hernandez, who's a lawyer who has experiences Dr. Edgar Mitchell and Dr. Rudy Shield. And from that first survey with four thousand two or three hundred individuals, six hundred questions of conscious memory, it's all in the book Beyond UFO's . This survey demonstrated that once people got over the fe ar of the unknown and started to accept and integrate their experiences, what we discovered was eighty five percent had a psycho spiritual transformation and they will say that I wouldn't have changed anything. It's almost like it's a modern day shamanic wake up call. And I say it that way because it's very similar to the shamanic process where if you want to be a shaman , you have to transcend your human fears so that you can operate in a multimi densional reality. And in a way, this is exactly the same thing transcending those fears of the unknown, why me , is it real? Am I going crazy? All the kinds of things that people experience when they 've had this experience, but then as they get to understand more that shifts a different kind of relationship with these intelligences. And what I found with my regressions , particularly they can be life changing in the sense what someone has believed has happened may not have happened at all, and they may see themselves having an experience where they're shown or they can understand that the procedure that's being done can often be a healing procedure. In fact, we found fifty percent of that four thousand people had healing procedures on board craft that they , you know, that they hadn't realized was the reason for their that particular experience or whatever. So there is genetic material taken, but there's also healing procedures. There's often an upgrade in terms of intelligence and what have you as well. And of course many of them and particularly the children and I write about that in the human. These children talk about what they learn on the craft and there are certain certain data and knowledge that these children are given through their lessons on board craft . And the other thing people need to know is not all of that is physical. In fact, what we discovered and this is again why the nuts and bolts in nephology struggle with this one because it isn't as tangible is that we've discovered that out of the four thousand odd that had experiences , seventy five percent of their encounters were out of body and not physical. So then it seemed like a dream. And they'll say, You know, I had a dream where I was on a spacecraft and whatever. And it was really weird and what have you . And I chuckle because I often say to them, well, when you know, how long have you remembered that dream? And they'll say, Oh , I've remembered it about ten years . And I just chuckle because most dreams you forget within seconds or minutes of having them. If you've got some a dream like that and it stayed with you ten years , it's most likely not a dream. It's just that you are remembering it as a dream because you'll have been in either a trance state or out of body. One of the sort of things that I find fasc inating is that with a near death experience, they call it a spiritually transformative experience and you're kind of saying that that's what happens with alien abduction. It transforms you like that. But also with near death experiences they have those after effects where they have psychic flashes, amazing synchronicities , they can't wear watches because they just won't work. Do you see that with people who experience contact with ETs ? Well, the interesting thing, Simon is what we've discovering is that it's about consciousness and for some people their wake up call will be after a near death experience because what happens that that seems to activate some higher awareness within them, their consciousness , so that then they're not only aware of the greater picture of reality their journey as a soul, but also then they start to be able to access not only more of the non physical realm, which will include spirits, angelic beings , element maybe, all sorts of different intelligence, including non human intelligences . So some people that's their wake up call through a near death experience or those that start to learn to astral travel or have out of body experiences or start to remote learn remote viewing, for example, will activate that awareness and they start to see more in those realms , including not just what you know we see as the spiritual realm or many spiritualists will see the spiritual realm only being ascended masters angels, you know, Jesus and Mary or spirits or whatever. And it comes as a sh ock that in that particular frequency and realm are all sorts of other beings from energy beings to light beings to cat like beings to mantis and graze and other humanoids and tall whites and on it goes. So what it really does when you get activated in that way, whether or not it's through a shamanic experience or magic mushrooms or Ayahuascar , or if it's to do with near death experiences or you start to open up to channel, for example , what you're doing is opening your consciousness to the realm of this whole realm of intelligence which includes all of what I'm mentioning and it's not separate. You can't separate out for some people they may see ange anls, but someone else will interpret that as a light being an energy being or whatever. You know, it really is just on in terms of their perception of their reality and what their belief system is how they will interpret it. I mean some people will connect to their spirit guides and what can be shocking for them is that it's not the North American Indian or the Tibetan monk , but it's actually a mantis being or it might be a blue being with big black eyes and that will be their spirit guide and it can be a bit of a shock to the system when they connect to that because what it's doing is showing us the vast diversity of intelligences in different forms we connect to once we open up to that multidimensional side of ourselves . And we're not just talking about physical now in terms of seeing physical beings. We're talking about interdimensional ones, extra dimensional ones, trans dimensional ones, even some coming from what we would call the future. So you've got all of this in the matrix of our greater reality . And this is where it takes you. You really were saying it's consciousness, and consciousness is primary to this. And it sounds like there's so much to it and it's so complicated and it's so bizarre and you know so much about this and then you might walk down the street and pass people who know nothing about it it's almost like you live on a different planet to them. Do you feel that you know you're separated from the average person ? Well, this is what happens to anyone who has contact is they realize they're leading two different two lives . One is the three D life, which is acceptable and consensus reality . And yet they have another life where they are communicating with many different intelligences on that other level and they can , you know, and that's the hard thing, Simon, because we live in a reality that doesn't honor the fact that we're multidimensional. We have a modern model of psychology that only allows us to transl ate our reality from physical senses . And this is why we have people who end up in hospitals medicated because our psychological psychology and the psychiatry is anyone who has experiences out of the physical senses fantasizing or is schizophrenic or whatever when in fact many of them are just opening up to more of their multidimensional reality . And it's and the reason it's important that we do is because we're more than our physical body, we are, as you know, we are a consciousness that is inhabiting a physical container but is unlimited by it by the fact that we can go out of body, we can remote view other life forms or we can communicate with these intelligence . All of this is a natural ability that indigenous tribes right across the globe do not naturally without any problem at all. But we've grown up with a mechanistic way of looking at a life , a Cartesian way of saying that the only things that are real are the ones that we can touch, feel see or he ar when in fact many people realize that they have senses beyond that, but maybe afraid of it simply because they're afraid if they do, somehow they're going to go crazy or somehow people are going to think they're crazy and what have you. And this is why many people don't talk about it. And so you've got this dual reality, the one that's acceptable and the one that's not acceptable. And it's only in recent years it's becoming more acceptable to say, well, you're a bit psychic or you're a medium or you're channel or whatever . It's in recent years people say, Oh, well, you know, they have a communication, but it's still not really taken seriously in mainstream because one of the first things you'll get asked, certainly if it's a psychiatrist is, do you hear voices ? Well, actually I communicate with them . So are you crazy? No, of course you're not cra zy. All you're doing is tapping into that other frequency that these intelligences work from and it allows you and I mean when I was doing counselling at the medical practice in England , there were a number of people going through grief issues. And I always remember one gentleman saying to me that his father who died and passed on talks to him . And I asked him, I said, Is it helpful? You know that, your dad talks to you? And he says, Yes, he says, He guides me and he helps me understand things and whatever and I thought to myself, well why not? If that's useful to this gentleman, and it was helping him live his life and make sense of things. What's wrong with that ? You know, I mean for me , the only time it's a problem is because people get scared because if it's new to their awareness, they can be scared that may be in some way that they are going to lose the plot or perhaps go crazy or whatever, not if they're supported, not if they understand what it is and what's going on. It's just that 's society's way of saying you're out of the box and that's not okay . Certainly not in this consensus reality at the moment. And that's Simon has to change. So have you ever come across I don't know done a regression with somebody to an abduction and the ETs have specifically talked about reincarnation Well not in quite that way although let me put it like this , when I've regressed various people to an experience where they may be on a craft , what they can do and this may I don't know what your listeners are going to make of this, but anyway one of the things that you can do is when someone's in the altered state and they're realizing that they are seeing a number of different beings . They might be little grays, they might be tall grays, they might be light being, they might be a humanoid , they might be a mantis or whatever. One of the things that first of all I will say to them is , does any of these look familiar to you? Any of these beings look familiar? And nine times out of ten, they'll say yes, that being is, and it might be a humanoid or it might be even a gray or whatever. And what I say eight of them is ask that being how many times they've picked you up. Because if they're familiar, it means they've seen them before . And the person in the regression will often say , Oh, two, five, seven, eight, or whatever. They'll reel off the times that they get from this intelligence or whatever. And what they also discover is sometimes some of them have had an insert of ETDNA along with both their parents . And that's part of the reason that they are involved in being examined and a part of the program . So they will find that they have a connection to a particular species . And many of my clients will say, you know, I feel connected to the Pleadians or the Arctorians or Orion. And that usually means they've got that that extra DNA that's awakened in them that belongs to those particular species or star beings as you know many call them or whatever . And what they discover is that in a previous existence, they may very well have been one of those that that particular species, if you like or come from that particular origin . Many of my child theren that I write about in the New Human have talked about coming from other dimensions . One ten year old explaining he came through a portal in the sun from another dimension . Another ten year old explained that he was a blue being in life but had incarnated for the first time in human form because he was connecting he was bringing his skills to deal with the pollution on this planet because many of them talk about they've got a mission or a mandate for being incarnating in this particular body at this time and you've got children talking about coming from water planets, crystalline planets and recognizing I mean one young girl was saying to her mom, don't you remember when we were here in this particular planet together and we did this, this and this fully aware of the memory of connecting to a mother in that lifetime as well as this one because of the what I call them soul families we appear to have soul families where we reincarnate with particular people that we're, you know, in different lifetimes, whether it is on Earth or another planet or another or another dimension. It doesn't really matter because that's all part of the grade of reality, isn't it? You know, the quantum hologram, as the physicists say . I told you before we started recording that I had a weird experience I was taken through a past life regression, and towards the end of that I spontaneously came up with an abduction memory which I'm still not sure actually happened, but part of that experience was that it was kind of like the ETs gave me a vision in my mind where I was standing in a forest area and loads of trees had been cleared and there were ETs there and lots and lots of adults, and up in the sky there was a planet that was really close to us, I mean it was too close to actually be real, and there was a path coming off that planet down to where we were standing and coming down that pathway with lots and lots of children and the adults were greeting the children as they were coming from the planet and then I got this sentence in my head from seemed to come from the ET telepathically , which was just when the planets meet, the children will return . So what do you make of that? Is this something to do with hybrids, do you think ? I can't say for sure . I think part of you will know and it probably would be a good idea Simon if you go back to that space and ask for more information because what I would have done if you were in hypnosis and you were coming up with this information and you didn't fully understand it, I would get you to clarify that with one of the big beings that you were you were hearing or seeing or what was coming into your mind and asking the question and you know as a hypnotherapist how that works is that you're really talking to that intelligence or it may be that that's come from your supercons cious higher self even. So what you do then is say I don't fully understand. Can you explain more of why this is relevant ? Because that's often what happens when I take somebody into hypnosis and they're having a dialogue with a particular intelligence and they may come out they may say that this being is telling me this, this and this and I will say do you understand that? Does it resonate or do you understand ? If they say no, I'll say, right, well ask again for them to explain in a way that you can understand. So you get them to revisit that question and to get more information. And I would say that if you go back to revisit that ask the question, explain more about this is what you're being shown or what this means because that's one of the most valuable things with hypnosis that I've discovered is that people may have a page of questions that they've wanted to understand all their lives about their encounters or experiences. And one of the things I do before I do hypnosis is say right, put down in order of priority all the questions that you want to understand or have an answer to. And it doesn't matter if it's half a dozen or whatever it is . And when they're in that space and I've got them communicating with whatever int elligence it is that they're talking to. It can be a zit or a light being or it's a being that they find familiar or they've connected to, I then get them to ask those questions so that they can get the understanding of why that is or what they need to know about it. And if they don't fully understand, I will get them to go back and say, Okay, you don't know, I don't fully understand that answer. Can you explain in more detail or in another way so that I have some understanding of that? And you can literally cover a page full of questions in that process when they're in hypnosis, when they're in trance, when their subconscious is open to actually getting that information . And it's very fascinating some of the information that comes through. And they and I also do this and, you're as a hypotherapist, you'll understand, I will say, Now ask the being, have they got anything else they want you to know? So it may not be part of your questions, but there may be something that intelligence wants you to understand. And so you're giving them the opportunity to actually feed that person more information about why they're having these contacts and why it's important and what their connection is to them. Because that's what people want to know. Why me , for example, you know , what is it all about ? What is the big picture? And also the other question that many people feel like this is not been something I've agreed to or I've not consented to or whatever. And I will ask them this question and I will say to them , have you on any level consented to this experience and nine times out of ten they'll give me the answer yes before I came here . So it is as a soul that the agreement has come. Not always . It doesn't always I don't always get that . But for many, that seems to be where there has been a consent about a trade in helping this particular species with human life and vice versa. And I mean one of the young ladies I write about and have written about in my books is Tracey Taylor and she said that she discovered that there was a trade, a trade in by allowing them to take certain genetic material and be part of their program , her psychic abilities were increased. In other words, they were assisting her to be more multidimensionally aware through this process. And that's why so many people that have contact start to open up psychically, start to see energy forms like they might see beings , they may see orbs, start to see orbs. They may find they're more empathic that they tune into people , they may find they're even more telepathic . Some find they have healing abilities, some find they can communicate with animals . There's a whole range of abilities that become accelerated after contact, including downloading of information from all sorts of topics from quantum physics right down to origin of the species , right through to artwork that is downloaded music, script s and light languages or star languages as well. Many start to articulate those as well. So there's a huge range of expressions of creativity that occur once someone's opened up to their contact . What do you make of the hybrid phenomenon? Because there are women who report missing pregnancies and then being on craft and being introduced to children ? Yes. And that was something I wrote in awakening is the missing pregnancy whole phenomenon, which was very and I wrote about that in two thousand two, still very controversial in many ways. It's less so nowadays because so many women have become aware of the fact that they've got these children onboard craft, the hybrid s, if you like . And many of them will have what they think is a pregnancy last couple of months to a three months max, all of a sudden they're not pregnant , but may be taken up to see these hybrid children and you know, part of it is for them to connect with them because they are part human and need the energy of human love as well . What was fascinating to me is not only does that happen with women, it also happens with men. Some men have had their genetic material taken sperm and have ended up finding out that they've got children on board craft. And sometimes a lot of children have come from them with a mix of various species as well. But I always remember a wonderful lady I met actually when I was in the U K who told me she had full memory of going onboard craft and being one of the supervisors , if you like, helping human mothers connect to their hybrid children because some of them would be a bit afraid or uncertain or whatever and she would help them overcome that so that they could connect to their hybrid children. And this now is very much recognized as part of this pro gram , if you like, of hybridization for different species . And an eight year old explained it really well when her mother contacted me and said, My daughter wants to talk to you . I'd known the mother and she said 'cause she had an experience a couple of nights ago and she wants to tell you about it. And as I spoke to this lovely young lady , all of eight . She said that she'd a couple of nights previously she'd been taken up onboard craft , taken to a place where she was shown how to levitate , how to use her third eye . And then she said, and they showed me what they're doing they're doing this mixing of species. She said, They're showing me how they do that. So they mixed various genetics with various beings . And she said and they seed other planets with these mixes of genetic mixes not just in this galaxy but many galaxies. So this is not just us and happening on our planet. This is happening right across the cosmos . And it makes you wonder why they're doing it. I suppose there's many, many souls, billions of them that will need to live lives as physical , you know, in a physical body, but maybe they do it for that or is they doing it for some other reason? I mean, really, I don't expect you to have the answer. It just makes you think . Well, one of the things that, you know, you're often wondering, well, what is the motivation? The motivation is experiencing the soul experiences in different forms . So every different, you know, every planet is different in terms of its ecology , its life forms , its cultures and what have you right across the cosmos . So if you're in a cat form, for example, people see cat being s and feel very connected to the felines or the lion beings or whatever. They will have a different culture, a different form. You've got those that are connected dolphins because they in a previous life they've been a dolphin or whatever. So we've experienced as a soul many different forms in environments as a way of ing, as a way of learning about what is it like to be in a different density, for example, than the different densities that we may experience during our soul growth and understanding. So it to me it's all about the source experiencing different forms and different ways its soul growing and changing from those experiences and big from the big scheme of things , we all from what I understand we're all connected to that source, that consciousness, you know, some people call the God or the universal consciousness or whatever name you want to give that source of creation . And we're all aspects of that. And as aspects of that, we can experience different forms, different awareness, different limits depending on the soul has in mind for its next journey of exploration in terms of understanding . And that to me makes the most sense because other, you know, to understand . I'll give you an example of that. Young man, a graphic designer, had a regression . And he said to me, I'm seeing myself as one of these grey beings, he said, and he said, And we're moving something big from one dimension to the other . And then he said , It's a planet and we've moved it too quickly and we've messed up its energy now we have to we really have to rebalance it. So in other words he's talking about literally some species and able to use planetary bodies from one dimension to another. In fact , he did a drawing of what he saw when he explained that . So this expands the whole understanding of what we are as a soul and what we can be and what we can manifest as a soul . And you know, at the moment we're experiencing the limits of being human , of being in an awareness or a culture that is fairly limited in a three D sense , even though we can experience more than that . But to me it's all part of the adventure of the soul that wants to experience and explore . And do you find that the reports of the hybrid children that they're introduced to, over time, they're becoming more and more so that they look just like humans? Because I think originally I was hearing that they were describ ed as quite pale and with large eyes and just wispy hair . Well, it depends on how much human DNA and how much ET DNA the hybrid has . And I don't think some of them are meant to ever be on planet Earth at all . Some of them stay on the craft. Some of them go to other planets, other , you know, life systems or whatever. To give you a story of one that's that was quite a fascinating one that I talked about a few years ago was former air host ess from Brazil. She wrote to me saying that her experiences there was no one in Ufoland in Brazil that was able to help her understand her experiences. She always said that she had this connection to this tall feline type being that was very maternal that visited her as a child . But the most astounding experience for her was she was in a hotel on a way to have breakfast and in the corridor was this little girl who looked about eleven . And the woman, you know, she said , Mary , Mary, I just was afraid that, you know, she was lost because there was no mum and dad around. So I went up to her and said, Can I help you? You know, do you need your mum, mum or dad? And as this little girl turned round, she saw a being that was part human, part feline . And it freaked her out and she ran down the corridor to have breakfast absolutely traumatized, not knowing what Earth she'd seen. What happened later was when she'd been taken up on the craft , she then saw this little girl that was part feline, part human . And as she went up to her , she realized that in fact it was one of hers . It was one of her hybrid children. And there were several others . But the story doesn't finish there . What she found out when she got taken up on the craft was her six year old human daughter was often taken up on the craft and she saw a human daughter playing with her feline hybrid sister onboard craft as well. So her daughter was quite comfortable interacting with this hybrid that was part human and part her own sibling, if you like. So we've got this continual expansion of understanding that depending on their mix of whatever genetics they have, some will be going and part of other civilizations, other realities, some stay on board craft , and the more human types and there are many people now Simon that I've met that say they're hybrids, that they're a human Zeta hybrid or they might be part reptilian part human, they may be part feline have feline genetics or whatever, but are looking primarily human. So they are aware of that. And this is what's so fascinating now is that people are identifying with that and saying, you know, that my family is Arctorian Andromedan or Cleadian or whatever because they connected to that because they have an insert of genetic material from one of those particular ancestors star ancestors. And do you find that there are certain characteristics of children nowadays that they're kind of I think do they call them star children or indigo children ? Well that's what really the humans about is about ident ifying the new generations of human. I mean that in metaphysical terms we've noticed anyway that the recent generations of children have been very different and they've given them different names because of their energy field. For example , you've got the indigo children, you've got the crystal crystal children, the rainbow children, children of light , a whole range of different names are given to the energy or the abilities or awareness of a particular child . In more conventional terms because, they're different and behave differently , they're given labels and they're called ADHD or they're called aspergers some forms of autism or dyslexic or whatever . And that is because they are different and because they have not really been able to understand why they 're different. And let me explain my perspective on all of that . When I talk to people who've had experi ences . What I discovered and it's very well known that this is an intergenerational experience. So in other words, if I've got someone who's had experiences, I often will say, What about your parent s? Was your mum or dad ever had experiences or your grandparents? And many may say, Ah, granddad was always into UFO's or grandma was always very psychic or whatever. And there's your link to the present person that's having the experiences. But then you've got the children of those people and they will say my child's very different , they're more sensitive or they're you know,, they'll come out with different things about them that are different . And because of that, they, you know, given often these labels as ADHD or asperger' ors whatever , what they are, and this was what my research was indicating was these differences for a purpose. Not only are they more aware and more awake because they are more aware of their heritage , past lives, their abilities, their connection to these intelligences . They're given these labels and what do we do with these children? The whole idea is that they're w ired differently. So why are they wired differently? And so we notice the difference, but we think it's a dysfunction. They're wired differently because they can't be so easily programmed into an inaccurate three D consensus reality. The whole idea is if they are wired differently, you can't bring them into a reality that isn't accurate , which is our three D consensus because we're all multidimensional. So this is why the only way you can educate some of these children such as ADHD is to slow them up and they're given drugs like Ritalin . But there are ways that you can stabilize that without Ritalin . But the whole point is that what I think these intelligences are doing so many people are programmed out of their awareness or have it shut down due to the educational scientific programming that we have on this planet, they've made it harder to program them and this is why you're getting all these different so called dysfunctions. And what's interesting, Simon is this is gradually what I was noticing when I talked to someone who was in their mid fifties had recognized that they would have been diagnosed as ADHD. And he wrote a book about his close encounters of the ADHD kind his name's Neil Gold, who I met a couple of times when I was in Hong Kong . And what he said was he always saw reality in a more complex multidimensional way that the average person didn't. And he retranslated ADHD has always dialed into higher dimensions because that's exactly how these children are operating. They're operating in a completely different way and it's seen and perceived by those that don't understand as a dysfunction, what it's really doing is allowing them to operate more multidimensionally and so they don't get so easily programmed into this whole system that is inaccurate , which many people realize isn't the full story, but they're afraid to explore it because of the judgment of being different or being thought of as crazy , you know, and that's what we're all fighting is the judgment of being different . It's been great talking to you and I'll put the links in the show notes so people can find the books and your website. Do you have any plans for another book ? Well, not at the moment. I've sort of booked out as it were , but I made down the track that my main thing at the moment is sharing the data by doing these kinds of interviews and I'm grateful to you, Simon for that as well. If anyone wants to get my book in England