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Dr. Farrell has lectured many times at universities science centres, movef on meetings, bookstores, clubs, and senior centres around the country and has appeared on numerous TV and radio shows, including Coast to Coast AM with George Noray Hi there, Bob. Thankks a lot for coming on the podcast Thank you. it's my play here So your book is called The Science Behind Alien Encounters And so when it's talking about science, what is your background Uh, well, um I worked as an engineer for about twenty years in industry basically. And my last five years, I was vice president of engineering be manufactured plastics equipment, you know, injection molding machines and things like that Ben State University for fifteen years Toward the end, I started attending UFO conferences And, um, That's how I really started doing more of the deep research. So I've been doing that for Probably thirty years The problem was that I saw was at every conference, the big issue was well when is there going to be disclosure My feeling was You're not going to get disclosure until The voters ask for it when I retired, And I had this knowledge that I wanted to share about UFO's writing and I decided that in order to get the The voters interested in the topic because You know, you know, starting with like nineteen fifty three, the government did everything they could to make people look like they're crazy if they reported UFOs. so And they were successful at doing that. but So I thought, well, the only way I'm going to convince the voters that this is the reality is to give out the information in the form of science fiction. So when they read the science fiction they accidentally receive a lot of information because it's comes out in the dialogue at while research So that's how I got into the science fiction part of it And that was when I first started writing and also When I retired, I started lecturing and the title of my lecture was The science behind Alien Encounters, which is what book is and I started lecturing in two thousand four. And after a couple of years it was so well received because people seem to be hungry for the information. So I decided to cast it into a book The book you have read is the second edition. so it's in S commommand version over to what I started but I don't know, that kind of u gives you a summary of guess where I am. You say in the book that you stay away from parallel universes, dimensions, wormholes, time travel Why is it you're avoiding that stuff Yes, because my feeling was This UFO stuff is like magic to a lot of people. They don' first of all, have been trained not to believe it. And they can say, well, there's no way anything can do these amazy things. and um So I felt I had to take a nuts and bolts approach scientifically, basically based on science that the average person would have when they graduate high school Um, and I w I avoided the other, you know, like dimensions and worm holes and all those things because that just is one more levels you got to overcome So if I if I could explain things in a very simple nuts and bolts fashion and show evidence I thought, okay, there's a chance that they're going to bleve, but yeah, they could they could be real. And, um And that way, My whole goal, don't ask me why I'm doing this because when I retired from P State, different idea what retirement would be, but turns out I'm motivated now to try and U you might say educate the public about this so that when the disclosure comes, it won't be a sudden shock. They'll be ready for it And that's what I'm trying to do with my lectures and my books And you talk about how it was simple logic that led you to the conviction that extraterrestrial life exists So what was the bits and pieces that came to you, that you could use your logic to decide that Well, first of all, anybody looks up into the sky at night. has to believe that there's got to be other life out there. So that was kind of a given that this intelligent life out there Um, and then in regards to the UFOs and what they could do. There was only one hypothesis in my mind that could satisfy Oh the data And when I when I say the data, When I was in industry, I would get involved in failure analysis sometimes. And so I found, well, you lay out all the information that you can gather on a failure And the answer stares at you I thought, okay I don't have access to any broken UFOs to, you know, scientifically say, well, this this this What I have access to is reports by credible witnesses, you know like astronauts and P who run radar equipment, things like that are pilots. Um, there's a lot, a lot of credible sports out there You read them and they describe what they saw And so you like list all the things that they have seeing these things too And in my mind, the only possible scenario is that they are Helling their craft ational field propsion because I can explain how a lot of the things that people report is explained by a gravitational field propulsion, excuse me Um in my lecture and in the book that that you read I can also explain Uh, how they, um U Cke themselves ple of ways they could do that because people have seen them they see them and then they don't see it like they just suddenly disappeared And um A lot of evidence that they have the ability to clook themselves Um, and those A lot of evidence in my mind. that shows that what They're not only using a gravitational field But it's a negative feelal And that's a hard sell because we don't have an experience normally in a negative field. But I talk about experiments that have been done either through serendipity. they automatically they they just produced a field and they weren't sure if it was negative or positive, but When you analyze the data, it was probably a negative field Um I we talk about photographs of UFOs taking off and excuse me, there's u cloud of dust that is kicked up when they take off. And you can see underneath the craft, of the dust clear areas where there's no dust And I interpret that as meaning that it's being expelled by the negative field that is actually lifting the craft up No. And then there's the story once about a car in Illinois Excuse me a second A car in Illinois. where actually a UFO cor, I think, a UFO ran into it It was cloaked And it had it was being protected by a negative field that what surround itself was this shield. say And so the next morning because the driver didn't see anything other than suddenly the car were to the right And next day you look at the car and the right left side is all caved in There's no scratches or blood or anything that, likeike Maybe that an animal hit them. but How the UFO hit them with this negative field, it would have pushed in the side of the car And uh, Qion is, you know, what happened? whyy did the driver do that? in my lecture, I jo well, maybe Maybe the driver of theew Y upo was texting who know In the book, there's a thing you talk about. there's a man who exited his car and observed a flying saucceer about thirty feet overhead And when it accelerated upwards, something happened pushed him down. That's right So Like I say, this is our data you lay it out there and and the data I'm trying to think of other good well, freezing of ps and I can explain that because there've been instances where People come upon a shallow pond and there's evidence that a UFO had just left there had been hovering over that pond. E though it might be cold out It wasn't freezing weather because the pond was frozen And so how can that be? Well, again, that's evidence for a negative gravity underneath the craft because it would be expelling the air. creating a low pressure, if you will. over the surface of the po. And of course, Under a low pressure, the water evaporates faster And in evaporation the molecules are taking energy away as they leave And so what's left behind gets colder and colder and colder and finally it freezes And that's basically the refrigeration process, cooling towers use that same process to cool To me is another evident that it's a negative feelal This kind of reminds me of Bob Lazar And the work he was he talked about doing at was it arerea fifty one where it was a some kind of gravity generator that would produce an gravity wave that was inverse to the Earth's gravity wave. Have you read all that stuff? Yes. In fact, Yeah, first of all, I have to say when when Bazire first came forward basically years ago. I was a skeptic especially when he said, well They use element one hundred fifteen. of course they hadn't even been discovered yet, so that was a strike against him. But eventually we actually disiscovered element one hundred and fifteen Um and, uh And the thing that was interesting to me is in an interview that I saw him do, he mentioned that he would tried partner who was working on this project with him. They had this is generator they called it. size of a basketball that was generating this gravitational field and his partner said, Oh try and touch it So he went touch it and he got closer. It was like a magnet, you know, two pososing the North fields they pose each other and that's why his hand felt. He says I got closeer, it was harder and harder. So it was a repulsive F was coming out of that generator Again, more evidence for a negative field It makes me wonder about Travis Walton's experience because I'm sure you know that he was close to a craft and something hit him and knocked him to the ground and his crew thought he'd been killed and I'm wondering if some kind of field that you're talking about accidentally hit him Oh sure. He claims you're talking about firing this guy basically. Travis Wall I've actually met him several times. He to just you know, a straight shooter, basically. And he's on the same mission I am It goes around the blx ring. by his experience trying to convince people that this is a reality But yeah, he he felt now he feels that they would actually try to They brought him aboard the craft because they thought they had damaged him when he was accidentally hit by this beam Um And he also had said least in his lectures that he regrets the movie that came out at first because didn't accurately portray situation And but he had signed a signed the rights away, you know, to the movie company. and so he had no way to control it. Subsequently he's now been going around and trying to set the record straight He doesn't feel that they meant him harm Um They were just like I think this is true of most abductions where Someone is picked up in the field someplace or driving their car, who knows I'd takeaken aboard of craft and exam it and then let go kind of the same thing we might do we're exploring country or jungle and you could you know, pick up an animal to study it, tag it, maybe So my belief is they they're not malevolent. I flaghake, I think they might be what watching over us because We're getting pretty close to the point of destroying the planet And I'm hoping they step in pretty soon. Um That's That was Travis's experience This summer, ZenAI is inviting sports fans to try something new Vibecasting A vide cast is simple. 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And that's why I feel too that these These are beans, uh Not only are they far ahead of us technologically alsoso spiritually Another reason why I don't fear I don't think they mean us harm and I think In fact, if you Somehow I managed to get into books written by Zachwa Sitchen, the late Zach If you haven't read them, I would encourage at least reading the twelfth planlanet becausecause he led me into a deeper area of this whole field look bop ephology and wanting to know more about the ancient cases. And of course, Sitchin was curious to know about the origin of his religion. He was Jewish And he did a lot of research. number of languages But the Twelfth Planet was the first book he wrote of his earth Chronicles And um So his interpretation of what he gathered from actually reading Ciformm. and studying mythology Was that the Sumerians, believed that there was another planet that orrbit theere And they call it Nabiru. and the Ananaki cameam planet Aar U Now at the time Sitch and wrote that. came out in nineteen seventy six. If you went up and talked to an astronomer and said, what do you think about these due planets? And he would say, what because they didn't really know anything about roue planets So but Cisian put it out there that the Sarians knew about this roue planet Today now, using gravitational lensing techniques because you can't see a rogue planet dark in the sense that it's not raating a lot of energy. So they'd be hard to find, but by using techniques of gravitational lensing They can now detect these bodies and in fact some think that there may be for every planlet in this in our galaxy for every four planets, I should say Jupiter sizizeed plans There may be a rogue plant wandering around and he was either thrown off from a Solar system Lory could have formed on its own just like the sun did, but its mass was too small to start any fusion. So just a the planet, but it might have moons. And in fact New Biru supposedly had eleven moons And the interesting thing is accccording to the mythology, this N buru and one of its orbits and its orbit three thousand six hundred years to complete And the closest approach and ne as I can tell, is where the asteroid valve is And so according to Serian mythology. U this Nibiru encountered a planet called Tiamot. It's in orbit asteroid buildt is And one of his spoons crashed into it damaged it and another mo eventually split it up into what we call the asteroid bels The other half was a large chunk that had a large moon that ended up down where Earth is today Well That actually explains some things that astronomers wrestling with right now because where our earth is should not be as should not have as much water. as it has because it's so close to the sun And so how do you explain that? they've tried different theories and none of them were But they did do some research on the racial of hydrogen and You cheheer you It's a certain ratio that occurs on the water on the planet Earth. And when we brought stuff back from the moon, guess what? It matched what's on the Earth uh, when they sampled water from asteroid The asteroid came from deep space beyond Neptune. Um was three times the ratio is three times higher then I' ear they sampled the water that was in a meteorite that they knew come off of had come from the asteroid belt, guess what match the earth So that data points to the fact that maybe the Earth actually did originate out there. The other thing is the further you go out away from the sun, you find more water Cereies, which is the largest asteroid as twenty five percent water ice And if you go out even further, the moons of Jupiter and Saturn are I don't know fifty percent water ice. I don't remember what what it is, but point is the further out you go, the more water you get Is all that evidence says that what Sitchin a glean out of his studies of the Sumerian culture probably correct And he also said that the Serians believe that these Ananaki created the first human. And he even went to the extent of saying They did that in South Africa about two or three hundred. thousand years ago And they were in the process of mining gold when they first came here And so I think they created these humans be slaves,' mine gold or do whatever they need Again, he put that in his book that he wrote nineteen seventy six and it's ten years later in nineteen eighty six reesearchers out of the University of California It' studying mitochondriial DNA from or center They had got hundred forty seven different entatives around the world And they came to a conclusion independently that the first human appeared in South Africa about two or three hundred thousand years ago. And guess what There's right in an area where there are known thousands of Ancient gold min. Well, hundreds anyway, hundreds of ancient gold mines Everything superstition says its together And another thing he talked about was the Noose Food, which was a Sumerian event And that got me looking into that aspect which is why I ended up writing the science behind No it's blood And in that book, I dedicated a whole chapter of actually applying Science that has occurred since nineteen seventy six cling it to show that everything Pigeon had said is true. And um That's, you know, when you get into this uphology thing, you kind of end up going all kinds of directions because you're Now you' got to find out about our ancient history How aliens may have impacted that And it' it's a fascinating field, I have to say So if that Planet Niru is currently out there and it's in a really long orbit by was it three thousand six hundred years When could we expect it to come back and The scientists can spot it That is a good question. I did a quick calculation and it and as farth this approach it's u I think I figure it was like ten ten times further out the blutoough And it spends almost all of its time beyond Uh, the orbit of Jupiter And in fact I calculated that probably only maybe five years or ten years of that three thousand six hundred years. be visible inside the orbit of Jupiter it would probably be fairly bright. be like a Bright Star night when it came Again, you Sitchen had determined that that it would appear in the southern hemisphere and, uh, So I tie that in with a later discovery that I'm not even sure if Zachaitten had a chance to actually go there, but go backckly Teppi. which is supposedly the oldest monolithic structure on the planet Earth and uh, archeologists who' passed away Dr. Smt Um, had spent like twenty years digging and you'd uncovered O of the rings really And he was convinced that they were probablyrob religious sites. But he dated them on the surface to be about twelve thousand years ago And he dated he said with ground penty training radar, there were more further down or a total of twenty And he said some of those might be fourteen thousand years old So in the science behind No' flood U I dated the Noah's flood to be about fourteen and a half thousand years ago the result and again, I even got into this subject because Sitchin said that he believed that No's flood was caused by a mega tsunami created by the collapsing ice sheets Uh, Antarctica but he thought that it was the periodic arrival of Nibiru that created a gravitational field, you know, that was large enough to cause instability and cause these huge ice sheets to crash into the Indian ocean. and create The tsunami So that led me into research, you all that stuff And so I think he was off, maybe by a thousand two thousand years U But I think he's right in that because if you look at sea level, there are maps of sea level going back twenty thousand years twenty to fifteen thousand years ago, sea level was three hundred and seventy feet lower than it is today the soundings of Persian Glf The deepest part is only like one hundred and fifty feet deep, which means that it was a lake thousand years ago was a lake. And guess what? bed by four rivers, just like the Bible says. And it was streaming down probably through Gali or ravine into the Indian Ocean And then The meg tsunami. created by this eight mile high Iice sheets huge ice sheets along eastern edge of Antarctica, which faces the directly toward the Straits of Hormunons. And so when that starts You have a calving The energy that it reases would be horrendous and period in time teen thousand five hundred years ago. There was a bowling Alerd warming spell where the planet was warming up. and so that would have caused Uh the first of all, the ice sheets loveving on the water. brereak up And those once those ice sheets leave, of course when they melt break up, they would change at sea level, but when they Breakway cooast. They no longer prevent the huge glaciers. but marching forward carried into the sea. And so I think It wasn't Nubiru causei uh, these disaster, you might say but rather just the fact that a wararming Trump trend as we came out of the ice age And the interesting thing, if you take that date and say, okay, no no gotot involved in this was a big blood. Oh Teen thousand years ago and he had been carried North Northwest between the Tigis and Newuphrades River, And in fact, the mythology said that Noah actually was called up to pish them in the olog he resided at the headwaters of the Euphranans River. Guess where that is? That's in Turkey, just over the border. might be Sri Syria, but anyway, it's in the It's in southeastern Turkey. and that's where Gobeak L Tppi is. and There's a town site called Novella Cori, which is at the headwaters of the Euphrates There's now a damn there create a lake, but before they finished the dam, archaeologists went in to explore the ruins that were at Yeah C in the Valle And uh, the structuure architect teecture of the structure strongly resembled what appeared Be tuppy And the interesting thing is Both cases, both Nobela Cory and also in all the rings So. There's rings or stones, There's like a dozen stones erected that represent I think deities because the Samerians twelve deities And that's the reason there's twelve Zodiac symbols sky. but The two main gods tall columns in the center And for moreak Images on the front like hands coming around and on their waist. And they they always are facing toward the south each one at a different angle because if the Bookings for the Bureau, which I think they were. We ha' been a major event when the bureau appears And so these two Gods are facing in that direction. overlooking The Valley of Haran So it all ties together, you know, and it has to So with the modern era of UFOs You say in the book, you believe that the first atomic bomb tests Well, what got ETs interested in us Yeah, I think so As a matter of fact, If you go back, So nineteen forty seven, for instance Arnold who had was the first pilot to kind of report seeing the He didn't call them flying saucers, but the press called him flying saucers. That was in nineteen forty in June of nineteen forty seven And that same month Einstein and uh Robert Oppenheimer two famous people who happen to be employed, you might say at Princeton University They had this meeting, I guess it was a secret meeting. to discuss these celestial visitors they call. And it was interesting that It seemed like the biggest concern was what property rights they might have because maybe they already been on the moon, so they own the moon, you know, that kind of thing They uh They refer to them as celestial visitors And they said, well Mbe our nuclear testing or Firing off nuclear bombs got their attention They thought They actually did that before Roswell. because Roswell was in July Soll It was a busy year in nineteen forty seven There's this idea you have that perhaps It's technology that we were using that caused the UFO's to crash. And you talk about the Kingman crash in nineteen fifty three that may have been caused by a nuclear test Yes. And now there is another scenario that says that wasn't caused by a nuclear test, but then I they thought it was actually caused by radar. high powered radar had disabled their craft. And if indeed they are creating their gravitational field by manipulating electromagnetic field, which is what I believe And Einstein would have said that Uh, then yeah, they'd be susceptible to a high powered Bes like like a radar But I did some research and in nineteen fifty three the In that area There was they weren't quite yet to that point in a radar development They eventually did build a radar but it was after the fact And I happen to remember that particular H u, uh event in May of nineteen fifty three I was in high school and I knew I was almost late for school because It was going to be televised. They're going to televise this atomic blast And you know, I wanted to stay home and watch it. So I almost was late for school but They They wanted the public to see that the atomic tack be survivable. I think that was the whole imimage Why the televised that But I can imagine because of the interest they had that UFOs had in what we were doing that they would have Sout ships stationed in that area to monitor these tests And it so happens that the previous test which was in the same area, and it was I think also a tower test occurred a little bit earlier in time, like maybe an hour O Dirty hairy test, which is what they called it And so I'm imagining you're aboard this UFO and you know that they do this testing. and Hey, it's past time what's going on? So maybe they moved in closer to analyze it because they could use the infrared beams and stuff and actually probably see what's going wrong. And they got too close Bombing up And I don't care what kind of UFO you have, It probably wouldn't be survived couldn't survive the middle of an amamp Blass And so I think it was wounded or damaged. 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Senton Friedman who's kind of an icon he was st And he courseed with a nuclear engineer training And it was his theory that crashing because of the radar, high powered radar being developed during World War II And it so happens yeah I've ever Most of the places where they were crashing was where they were They had high powered radar And again,, probably would have disrupted their propulsion system and they could have crashed So you also go into the religious implications of this stuff and you talk about Monsignor Cado Balducci. Could you tell us about him what he said Yeah round I think he had been an exorcist O of out of the Vatican And, but he had Both couple Sveral years, two or three, maybe four years very outspoken about ETs and UFO's and I guess I've been on Rome radio a number of times So he was a logical choice to have it the Keynote speaker the two thousand five X confonerence that was held just outside of Washington, DC And u And you know what? you that story in a minute but I just want to say of all the religions, I think the religion is the most proactive in trying to address this problem because I think that was The mission that he had been assigned, maybe is to get out there kind of test the waters, you know, start talking about this stuff and get people prepared but the fact that yes, there might be other beings out there. And in fact, that's what he said at the X confference in his keynote spee ech he said that there's so much evidence now We can't deny that there might be other intelligent beings like humans And, um So that was kind of his bottom line that How can we deny that And how can we put limits on God's creativity And and then later on two thousand eight, I think it was st The head of the Vatican Observatory made a similar statement How can we and that's the bottom line. That's why I tell people, you know, if I encounter someone who's believes deeply in the Bible and says, well, there can't be anything beyond earth And then I say, well How can you put a limit on God's creation because that's what they'd doing Yeah, it's a good it's a good question. if God is You know, this omnipotent being who created this universe that is so big Why would there just be life on this one tiny planet and this one galaxy? That's right In fact again, I write science fiction, but I try it Dialogue me speaking based on the research that I had done And in the second of alien log. I have alien log is first alien log to the New worldorld Order. and u I think it was in that book Um There was a discussion between a human and thei alien And the alien was explaining how They had The scientists had discovered half a million years ago There was a creator of the universe And I had read Poral thesis. U A Yeah theology Ed written And he went through a a mathematical Solution that prove that it was impossible for our university come about accidentally. It had to have an intelligence design behind it. And so the aliens believe that at least in my book, you know They believe in a higher being, I guess you could say And and you know, I don't know if you want to call that religion or not, but They believe in the creator Yeah I was talking to a guest on the podcast recently who said that there were some ETs that some abductees talked about and these ETs believed in some kind of higher power or higher source And and even in cases where people have had near death experiences, they talk about approaching a light and and being overwhelmed by the amount of love that they felll to the extent that they almost didn't want to come back And that's the way I feel about it. you know, I I'm not wanting to die now because life's too interesting. There's a lot more I want to see and do. I'm not afraid of dying and I believe U no matter what excuse me, no matter what I'll be welcome into heaven because I believe God is God of unconditional love There's no conditions required to get into heaven and even Pe say, well, you mean, even Hitler got it in I don't know If it's unconditional, it's unconditional. That's why dove So if we chang the subject now quite a lot, I think A we have. Yeah, what's your view on crop circles? Be you do write a little bit about them in the book and there's a lot of people who just feel they're just a hoax Yes, well, you know, a Dave and Doug Corley uh, you know, in what nineteen ninety one was it that they went on teelevision. and said, well We're the ones that are making these crop circles. And they took the camera crew out into the field and armed with boards and string, they made a crop circle. And so right away, people thought, well, okay, they're all hoookes If they're the ones that made them, they were really busy because there're like thousands of me Um I believe u These are signs Maybe Our intelligence is being tested Because right now if they They would land on a planet Earth. I mean, oververtly, not covertly to have a discussion with us. What could we bring to the table to talk about? I think we're pretty dumb relative to them. So maybe theyre they're measuring our intelligence with these crop circles because A lot of them have information embedded in newew stuff, you know, I guess Um, but They the way they are created They cannot really be created, at least not as fast people Oh They have certain things about them that make them unique. For one thing, Dr. Levvenood, I'm not sure if he's still alive, but he was got he got involved, he was a biologists. and well known. And so somehow he got involved in this crop circle thing and they they sent samples to him both samples out of the crop circle and samples nearby, you know, the control samples And one of the things he had observed with the nodes and the plants had evidence of being heated very rapidly like if they were inside a radar oven And there were expulsion cavities where the steam would have blown out and the cavities were those nodes were elongated Also the stams were broken, they were bent over And a And you know, I have not been in a crop circle, but Ive always wanted to go. Maybe I'll come and visit you sometime. and we can turn u But also supposedly in the soil, there's a high concentration of nickel In there and people who have gone into these, say that it's an unusual experience You know A sister maybe or or it's almost like a religious experience for them So it has an effect on their mind They claim that irdge won' fly over. I don't know if that's true. No. They are very unusual. I don't think they're man made and I think the designs are created in a way to Now giveive us information or chext our intelligence And in Alien loog with first book. One of the main characters, Cory is his name is astrophysicist and he's asked about this It was his feeling that UFOs were creating them. And they they were doing this with U radiation, you know, like, u Microwave And uh And in the second book, he started a chat with an alien And he's made to think about, well Maybe there's another way to do the same thing. How about ultrasound? And so now maybe Corey's not Ultrasound perhaps could have been used. there was a a science it was actually a medical doctor, but also a scientist in his mind who would study in Ultrasound and, uh, he could create designs by vibrating Oh iron filings or just any kind of powder and create all kinds of designs based on the frequency and amplitude of these vibrations So I could visualize the craft beaming down ultrasound that could make the Props to dance, if you would and behave and also would provide perhaps enough energy to cause the compulsion cavity I don't really know other than that how they do it And I don't think anybody does, for sure I haven't really been there yet to see one One of the skeptical arguments against UFOs is to say space is so big, there's no way that ETs could get from another star to us So in your book, you talk about this, how do ETs travel great distances? and what's your idea here Yeah, wellow, first of all, As assuming Einstein's correct. and I think that's been true and correct that As you approach very high velocities approaching the speed of light Um, that the clocks runun slower aboard that craft. And so if you can travel, in fact, I have I show a graph, I don't know if I did in the book or not, but in my luxurures I have a graph that shows taking off. and accelerating at one hundred G's accelerated because they can accelerate it at one hundred G's easily A thousand cheese if you want, but a hundred. They've been clocked at a hundred. Um and over a period of about a month, your craft would be from the Earth's point of view forty light years away And but your calendar aboard craft would have said and you've only been gone a month And so now if you turned around and came back, going back down that curve You'd be your whole trip would have taken two months as far as you're concerned But when you open the door and climb onto the craft The planet you're standing on has aged eighty years. You basically did time travel So but Po being here is that if you can travel at those very high velocities, you can travel long distances plan to go back home again, you know, all that kind of thing. And I was thinking about that when I wrote Ailing Log. about because they they had to come from long distances And I knew that they would have time dation to help them, but when they want to go back home Everybody they knew would be dead, maybe And so I said, well, maybe what they do is they build a giant canic ship And the whole the whole city or all everybody say, Well, okay, let's all go on Safari. Because what else would you do if you had all the technology, all the energy you need, all the food you need, All the shelter you need And you've seen every movie that you've ever seen possibly be seen, what are you going to do for excitement you go on Safari And you get the whole town together plan We're never coming back, Well we are coming back, but when we come back, it'll be a different town And so it's not an issue You just go and you explore. And u so That's how they can go to great distances Um It has to be a different mindset. possibility is because I think they can live about as long as they want Time has a different meaning to them, even when they're on Earth here They could take on a thousand year project without a problem On the other hand, we have this sense of urgency. You know, we've got to get everything done within seventy or eighty years because we're going to die And we have that sense of urgency of getting things done you lived as long as you wanted take a more leisurely approach and say, well, let's explore this Let's meet every hundred years and see what the progress is, that kind of thing It's a whole different idea, you know It's a different perspective time and traveling the distances Again requires a different perspective on time So they would be able to move at great speed because they're using the gravitational field propulsion And I think you also to talk about how They can do these hundred G accelerations and right angle turns because they've got that kind of propulsion Yes, yes. I do my lecture and I probably did in the book to thought experiments And I have a picture of E two rocket sitting there and I have a volunteer in the audience agree G in the nose conong. and let me light the match and set them off. and they have a communicating device and I do too, so we can chat back and forth. So our lights viewing off to go fuse and they go they're going along. I ask them, you know, what's happening and they they report, Well, they're being held in their couch And the G meter so it' four Gs And I said, o okay, all of a sudden, they noticice the flamees sputtering out And now they're coaching. they said, Well, what's happening now? They say, Well, Um teending to float out of my couch. Gbuter says zero I'm watching, I'm watching, now it's starting to fall back to Earth. and they say, well, So what's changed? Any? Oh no, nothing's changed. I'm still trying to couch because D meter still says zero But then I say, you know You're actually accelerating at one G toward the Earth You don't feel it. your're free fall. And if we did this experiment on Jupiter, You'd be accelerated fortyGs But yet you would have no sensation about it There's no sensation of acceleration.'re accelerating if you are propelled by a gravitational field, that's one of the beauties of. The other thing about a gravitational field or any field propulsion You don't have to carry this gigantic amount of fuel with you But you got to throw out the back in order to crek create thrust So you can go long justist doesn't really matter And the really interesting part about this whole UFO thing as far as research that has been done in the laboratory and also through serendipity And not only is it possible to create a gravitational field someome of the devices that have been built create gravitational fields. are actually what's called over unity machines. What that means is You get more power out than you put in Oh Anybody who study thermodynamics would say that's impossible because it violates, I think the secondcond law of thermodynamics Well guess what? they do. And there's something called free energy s are talking about now and it has to do with quantum fluctuations actually What we think is a zero level is not the zero. that's you can go lower extract energy this free energy and that appears to be what's happening in almost all of the experiments that are being done. By the way As fari as this element one fifteen As far as I know, U C't remember his name not he's the only one that in the case it was being used at area fifty one Because all the experiments that I've read about they didn't they didn't have Llement fifteen at their disposal. They didn't need it And they were able to create a gravitational field Granger knows, when you're a procurement manager for an office park You're not managing one building, you're managing all of them. And to stay ahead, you need to see through walls and around corners Light's about to fail, filters ready to clog, Hack on its last leg. If you wait until something breaks, you're already behind Count on Granger for quality products, easy reordering, and twenty four seven support Call one eight hundred Granger, click Granger. com or just stop by Granger. For the ones who get it done So when they want to do a right angle turn if they can control G forces, that's not going to affect you, is it Right? They just they just point U field in that direction. They probably have multiple fields around them If I were them, I would have I'm more of a negative field pushing me along behind me pushing me And I'd also have a negative field in front of me that's over a lesser extent But it's reaching out and telling everything to get out of the way. It's my shitle, basically. And in fact, that's how UFOs can travel three or four thousand miles an hour through our atmosphere without having any shockwave because you have another means of communicating with the molecules ahead of you, to get out of the way Right now, our pilots have a limit that There's something called the spepeed of sound And so as the craft is aircraft get fastter and faster pressure build up in front of the craft That way that pressure kind of sends a signal out ahead of the molecule so get away, get away. And but once you reach the speed of sound, that message can't go in front of you And these things crash into you create a shockwave But if you could warn them some other way, like Even electric fields, I think they've even tried electric fields but certainly a negative gravity field can reach out way ahead of you and start getting things clear way for you And that's how you can go into water too If you've got a negative feelield around you. You can just doesn't matter whether you're in air or you drop into the water. You can go underwater and mooz the water out of the way and you don't have problem with that. So you have a chapter called What are the ETs up to? So what are your theories there Well, I really believe they're watching over us because I believe Sitchin was probably on to something that uh, at least one species may have been and the createdist And again, you know, like I told you, they live a long, long time. So this this whole evolution of a human species may just be an experiment they're watching. But they also I think are probably concerned with what we're doing to this planet David Edenburgh produced a film on Netflix called I think Our Planet And he's ninety three at the time and he's talking about just in his lifetime, all the damage done to ear And as far as Uh we wiped out like six percent of the wild species on the planet you know, we're burning tropical rainforests which are created diverse planet deal with different species Well we're clearing out a way so we can banana trees or whatever all looking the same in a row U So we're doing a lot of bad things Um We also I think are responsible for the fact that the Eth is now about two degrees u warmer was I'll say one hundred fifty years ago when went into this technological revolution. and We have quickly approaching the tipping point We are now releasing Messing because with the the nor it bothoth northern and southern Arctic regions Further North you go, the quicker the the change is occurring Um erm Termmic frost is what I've trying to come up with Terma frost in Antarctica or in the Arctic, I should say is starting to melt and it's now releasing methane which is like twenty or thirty times worse than CO two And if when we get to a point where we can't shut it down And like The methane is captured down of the of Gulf of Mexico, for instance, it's frozen the sense that it's in a more of a solid state bottom of the Gulf of Mexico because of the pressure Jenna Water That water warms up too much then that methane may come out and start bubbling up to the surface. And so now we've got all this methane, and it's over There's nothing we can do about. It's called the tipping point Edinburgh said we might witness not we, my grandkids, maybe The sixth extinction event on his planet So I think aliens rep public knowledgeable about that. They probably might be worried about it And maybe they're going to try and step in at the last minute, do something, I hope That might be one thing they're up to. I know because people say, well, why don't they They land and we start chatting with us There's a few reasons why they might not. Number one, we're pretty b on species If I was in jungle someplace and I saw someone sitting there in the middle of a jungle eating a hand of somebody. and I wouldn't want to run up to them and say, hi I would just keep my distance Uh because we are, you know, in's fact there was a movie made nineteen fifty one, I think called the dayay that Eth stood still When the UFO landed by the White House, first thing that rolls in is tanks And everything with their guns pointed to this thing that's our That's our mentality. It's humans So that'd be one reason The other reason would be what can we contribute