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From Another Side of Midnight with Lionel | 05-30-26May 30, 2026

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This is Lionel with you and this is Another side of midnight as I Does it clear my throat with that cough button? My friend, this is not cookie cutter. Please, please, meta Proto or quasi political talk. Think more. Think more of this show as a as extruder pasta with a bronze dye. More Archie Bell than Art Bell. This is experimental theater of the mind for the curious, the actually skeptical and Dare I say, interestingly enough and ironically enough. The wide awake. Another side of midnight. I hope blends hard news. Conspiracy culture, geopolitic, psychology. Media analysis, law, science, history, and the unexplained into one. Immersive. Radio experience with of course you. And do wonderful calls. Your calls that are the backbone of this. Oftentimes disjointed. Oftentimes Tuned in to a frequency or a wavelength that I have yet to tap into, but it doesn't matter. Because let's face it. At this hour of the day or night What the hell do you expect? That's right. UFOs and disclosure. Hey, have you heard the word? There is no disclosure. There is no disclosure. Have you noticed? Nothing. Nothing. Like the Epstein files. Nothing. Lotta talk about 'em. They they talk, but that's about it. Artificial intelligence and transhumanism, if you think, by the way, that chat GPT is AI, there's no hope for you. There's I can't you know what, pal? Yeah. You might want to pack it. Big tech overreach. Digital surveillance, like you cannot believe. Geopolitics And the new world order. It's still here. The debate is alive. True crime and behavioral psychology, intelligence agency. and covert operation. Constitutional law. Remember that? Civil liberties, remember that? Media manipulation, propaganda, paranormal phenomena, and unexplained mysteries. Health, science, skepticism, pop culture through A psychological lens. America first politics, you remember that? And cultural populism. My friend, the style is non parel, sui generis, one of a kind. Think rapid fire, intellect, courtroom precision, late night intimacy. And the old school Sense of radio magic fused and forged. And she won? Unforgettable broadcast. Frankly. Unattainable, unreachable, un ungraspable by many, but that's not gonna stop me. I will never play. below the crowd. I will want you to rise to the occasion as I know you will. Prepare for arcane humor, passion, audience interaction, and recondite deep dives. that you simply are not going to find anywhere else. And for good reason. I love saying that. Think GLP one agonists for the intellectually obese. Is that is that okay? And all my friends. GLP one One day people are gonna say, remember that Ozempek and Wagovy? Remember that? Remember how everybody was taking that? Right. Remember that? It's safe, right? Yeah. Course. They would check these things out. See, that's one of the things which I find so fascinating, dear friends. I love the idea. I love the idea of trust. This immutable sense of trust that people have. They think like, Well, it's got to be okay. Because if it wasn't, they wouldn't allow it. You see, if it wasn't They w it wouldn't be on the market. If it was dangerous. It would be stopped. They wouldn't give us this. medicine or this treatment or this whatever it is. If if it were dangerous, because after all That wouldn't make sense. So tonight, my friends, let me also tell you that we're gonna be talking at about twenty one or two after the hour. With of course my better half, my my moiety My Uksor, my Uksoria is better half. Lynn Shaw from Lynn's Warriors because we've got so much to talk about. This is the the per near the end of the month. We're also going to be talking about some things which are very, very critical, involving Warrior Warrior. Weekend Warrior. Warrior Weekend. Weekend Warrior. Whatever the particular component is because what's happening right now is FIFA World Cup. Let me tell you something right now. If I could explain to you, and I and I'm uh proud of this. There is absolutely nothing, nothing, no part of me, no no interstitial molecule, anything. No connective tissue that has the slightest interest one way or the other. in this. I'm glad it's gonna be here, but it's going to be a nightmare. And the The opportunity that this has for trafficking is through the roof. If somebody says will there ever be a an an end, a cure, an address, a proper address for trafficking? You haven't even heard you're still begging for the Epstein files and the UFO files and the JFK files. The GFK files was in nineteen sixty three, you still don't know. And they're gonna come clean about trafficking? Come on. Then they're going to have to explain how it was allowed to get this far. But there's so many things to talk about. You know, there's so many there's I I I I think fear plays a great role in these Evening or early morning forays? I really think so. I think it's easy sometimes to talk about stuff that's fascinating in terms of outer space, but what's happening here. believe me, is more frightening. Because I worry more about the quiet collapse of humanity more than I do let's say some Carrington class wave solar disruption. I know I shouldn't. Scientists are saying right now that Americans are speaking a thousand fewer words a day. No, strike that. Thousands. Is big tech engineering a silent society where isolation replaces community? Do you know how many times people have actually looked at me seriously? Seriously and said Why do you use big words? Big words. They've actually used the term Big words. And you know, snottily, dare I say. Snidley. Why do you have to use big words? I I've never heard that's like telling a painter, why do you have to use so many colours? Why? This is this is the mentality. Listen to anything. Listen to any broadcast. Anything. Read. Listen. It's basically eighth grade level. Maybe, and I'm being kind. This is where we are. That frightens me. The AI empire is striking back. Silicon Valley elites no longer just want your data. Oh, nay nay. They weren't your thoughts. Your routines, your relationships, and eventually your autonomy. That's why I keep saying if you think chat GPT is AI. And A J I and A S I. You just don't understand it. How about this? How about when tech billionaires are playing God? secret enhancement drugs, AI obsession, and transhumanism fantasies. are turning Silicon Valley into a digital Priesthood. One of the scariest fellers bar none. 'Cause we always like a good Good um villain. Peter Thiel. He's the puppet master. For J D Vance, he's the Geppetto. to the Pinocchio JD Vans. He is absolutely Scary. And he's using the term anti Christ. Anti Christ more and more. And let me also say something, to be quite honest. Which I always tend to try to be. Antichrist may be the best way to explain AI. Because the basis if you look at from the book of John, the basis Undergirding, if you will, of The idea. And the notion of deception. of luring you, cajoling you, bringing you in, saying, No, no, no, it's okay. I'm I'm I'm your friend. Because the whole idea of the Antichrist to be differentiated from Satan and Lucifer. Is Deception. We'll talk about the new tower of Babel. The Pop is warning that artificial intelligence could fracture humanity itself. The question is, is AI becoming the religion of global technocrats? I'm gonna say that again, I and you've heard me say it now twice. Religion. You've heard me mention religion. It is a Religion I'm not exaggerating. And this is something again, let me say this again. Remember. If you listen to conventional news sources most of the time. Remember what I'm telling you. Eighth grade level. Max. That means they are speaking to you and writing to you. As though you're a fairly sentient Eighth grader. Am I being cruel? Not even close. Not even close. It is that bad. We are talking about the de int in the de intellectualization of this country. How about this one? How about this one? MAGA Civil War twenty twenty eight. Have you heard what's going on? Are you seeing what's happening? Candice Owens and Megan Kelly and J D Vance in America First. All these factions are colliding. As the conservative movement As we know it, as you might know it, as you may think you know it. Is searching for its future. Absolutely. Fascinating. And by the way, remember something. Nothing is more dystopian. Nothing is more sci fi. Nothing is more frightening. Nothing can affect your life more. then politics. Nothing. Nothing in the sky, nothing in the heavens, nothing beyond. Nothing and and any nothing nowhere it nothing nothing can affect you as critically as this. And yet The key to most folks in not I I I think our society But others as well. Is to remain detached. How about this? The death of small talks. Small talk, rather. Self-checkout kiosks, apps, screens. Quietly. Destroying Conversations. that once held society. Together. We're not speaking. We are not writing, we are not communicating. Little by little, bit by bit, our communications are being truncated and shrunk. into little nothing, little meaningless glyphs and orbs, nothing, or should say. Morphemes and phonemes and emojis and LOL and abbreviations and acronyms and I mean it is It is frightening. How many times? Have you sent emails to people and people don't respond? With the idea of I don't answer email. There was one time um A communications leader not a leader, that might be a bit pretentious, but uh a communications tech So to speak. Uh Executive. who had a strict rule. All emails must be answered within twenty four hours. Everybody had to answer all emails, all emails. I mean with with the exception of, you know, the usual nonsense, but everything within twenty four hours. Other when people say, I'm sorry, I missed your I missed your text. How do you miss my text? Well, I'm not very good at that. Why? You've got a phone. And on your phone, they have these little dots. And when the green dots are there, that means you haven't answered that or you haven't looked at it. You can even highlight, you can have favorite. We're becoming more and more adept. at not communicating. Oh, I'm sorry I missed that email. I guess it went to spam. I guess it went to junk. Oh, I'm sorry. It is it is incredible. Been to a party lately? Remember parties? Remember that? You ever had any small talk with anybody recently? Have you? Oh my god. The best part about this is I fear. And I've been saying this For the longest time. I always wonder, we we always say, What's gonna be on our grave? Well I'm not gonna have a grave, but I will have a monument. I will have a monument to me one time, someplace I will decide where. And at the base of that monument it will be, I told you so. I told you so repeatedly. My friends, this is Lionel. This is another side of Midnight coming up. We'll be talking to Lynn Shaw, my better half. My smarter half, my more noble half. As Weekend Warrior series continues in view of what is going to be happening very shortly in the country and the world. Numbers eight hundred eight four eight nine two two two two. More coming up. Stay. Line up with you, this is another Side of Midnight, 800-848-9222. Ah yes, the musical intonations of Patty Smythe. That theme song can only mean one thing and one thing only, of course. That means it is time for weekend warrior. my better half, my smarter half, my more noble and Glorious half, Lynn Shaw from Lynn's Warriors. You know, tonight we're gonna be discussing A disturbing reality that too few people are willing to discuss. And and I would venture to say, with all due respect or even aware. As the world cup kicks off on June the eleventh. Millions, literally millions and millions of fans from around the globe will gather in the United States. In celebration, but alongside the excitement, alongside this These festivals comes a much darker underworld that law enforcement and child advocates have warned about for years. The escalation Of human trafficking. Sexual exploitation. And the targeting. of vulnerable children and women. So without further ado, I bring to the microphones. My better half, Lynn Shaw from Lynn's Warriors. Good evening, Wifey. Good evening. Husband or good morning, depends how you're looking at it. Uh thank you for being willing to talk about this topic that we've been preparing for for almost three years now. It is crucial that the public understand happening as the World Cup, all the excitement kicks off. So are you ready? Well well yes, and in fact I you know, you you and I were I think we were we're we're reminded of this constantly. And and my My uh our message is gonna be don't get anywhere near Jersey or the tunnel or anywhere. Because it's gonna be a nightmare. But that notwithstanding, first question I think is the most important. Why do traffickers or why is this idea that that traffickers target major sporting events like the World Cup? Where does that come from? We have to start with Ever there are crowds. People filing in, filling coming into cities, you know, for not only we're gonna focus on the World Cup because this is the biggest sporting event I think ever across the United States, lasting five weeks. Whenever you have these massive crowds, we've never had anything again like this. You have the traffickers, the predators, because there's so much chaos. They can be much more anonymous. Okay. are coming in by, you know, the railroads, the planes, the buses driving. Ride chairs. But let's talk about something. It's not only the World Cup, let's point this out. Yes, this is a major sporting event, like none other in the United States, but when you have conventions, when you have concerts. any other, you know, football games, baseball games, wherever there's the crowd. Because At this time hotels are packed, um transportation systems are overloaded, overwhelmed. Lots of temporary workers will move in. to work for instance on the World Cup and so the traffickers, the predators, the creeps can blend so easily into the environment while exploiting So many kids, so many vulnerable people and it and it goes largely Unnoticed. Because so much is happening right under our noses. The public is busy with it. You know, they're they're going into stadiums or they're going here, they're going there. And on top of all of this, okay, you know People just don't wanna face the reality. Like if they did see something, what do I do? Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'll get in trouble. And may I just add something. Do you think there's a component to this? Where people think that in the United States it's it's a free for all. Everything's everything's up for grabs. No problem, no hesitation, no guardrails, no no speed bumps, no speed limits. Just Freedom, America, Raw, Hollywood, New York, you know, sex. Well, listen, we've been look, there's another reality happening I again, I can't point it out enough, you know, happening beneath the surface. The public we need the public now to understand, right? For almost three years now, we at the Warriors have been hearing about working alongside partner organizations, law enforcement, hotels. Motels. Banking. Right? There's a lot of money involved. Uh you know, even places you know, PayPal, Venmo. cracking everything, these ride shares. Getting people to understand this is coming and the thinking. And this is directly from law enforcement is Those coming in from other countries and they are coming here. I mean they are huge soccer fans across the world, right? It's like the number one sport. They their impression of America is now this is directly from law enforcement telling us this, that America is free for all. You can do anything you want here and you can get away with it, whether it's trafficking, whether it's drugs, no rules here, and that is the thinking. And that is what everybody is is really scared of. And especially now Kinda seems that way. That you can get away with anything. So this is a a major event, you know, a national I dare say a national security threat that we have going on, but we have good preparation that has been happening for the last several years. Well, you know, we have remember um years ago, uh remember Dominique Strauss Khan And uh whenever the UN when if you really Really wanna see it. When we have the UN General Assembly that comes once a year. Whenever there is the um events like the Grammys or the Oscars or the even even the uh Met galas, any time there is a convergence. From people from around the world. Man. Looking at the notion of foreign where their idea of Sometimes, frankly, I'm sorry to say this, but women being as chattel. Now What are you hearing in terms of uh who are the most vulnerable targets and what can be done in view of that. start with something that I have to drill into Americans every single day. Human trafficking. comprised of sex trafficking, labor trafficking, okay? That is the use of Force, coercion, getting somebody to do something against their will, mostly for money. Everybody in America I shouldn't say everybody. Most people in America, the public, they think it happens somewhere else. Right? But it's happening here. It's happening again all across America. Here's the thing we want to uh uh talk about. The vulnerable targets. Obviously. Kids. Runaway use. you know, runaway youth there's always this argument out there. Well they're not they're not missing kids. Runaway youth are missing kids and could I remind everybody a lot of kids have to run away. Their their parents or parents or caregivers kick them out. They live in a household that is so abusive, they figure they're better off out on the streets. So runaway youth everybody understand are missing children, foster kids. That is a whole nother program. Vulnerable, right? Most Adults I know have reported to me that when they were in foster group homes, youth homes, they were revictimized, retrafficked. That is a whole thing that goes on in that world. We've got again, um immigrants, right? They don't speak the language, they're here, they don't understand and always, you know, financially desperate individuals and people struggling emotionally or psychologically are often targeted. Those are targeted first and people don't understand 'cause a lot of people say, Oh, you know, I would run away. Where are you running to? You're a sixteen year old, you're hungry, uh, you need a roof over your head, your brain's not developed yet, and you think somebody kind in in another city or town, you know, says, Hey, can I can I help you out? Do you need directions? Oh, by the way, oh you hungry, I'll buy you a hamburger. It happens so Bad. I say Basically, yes. Kids are especially you can pick 'em out. You know, who's vulnerable, who's walking around, who's looking around, who's checking a phone or just looks lost. I say today. Everybody is vulnerable under these circumstances. We had that story not long ago. where the girl was with her father, this teenage girl I think she was fourteen. Um, at a sporting event. And she just went to the lady's room and then she disappeared. And the story was murky. She met somebody, you know, while she went to the ladies' room. All around us, everybody is vulnerable with this. And the thing is you've got to be eyes and ears. But we can get into that a little bit. But you've got to know what to do if you see something or something should happen. to you or you know, family members you're with or friends. We're talking to Lynn Shaw from Lynn's Warriors dot org at YouTube on Linz at Linz Warriors and on X at Linz. Underscore warriors. If I may indulge me just one second, this is We we lated. On a local level. This past week. Two children. In or near the The warmth, the privacy, the safety of their own. Homes and cities and towns, Americans and just kids. Escaped abduction here. Because we keep talking foreign, foreign, foreign. And I I know this is not necessarily connected, but I I've been thinking about this so so much about how Parents are realizing maybe perhaps What you have been talking about for years in terms of the vulnerability of children, this is not just a Not a bumper sticker comment. This is real. Can you just address this? Yeah, there there has been a a rash epidemic. Um basically media has not really covered it too much at all. I've been getting uh different press releases or sources giving me information. The two cases you're referring to and remember there these are two cases we know about. There could be twenty more that are not reported. Right? This topic trafficking, um, exploiting people. They close their eyes. They don't want to talk about it. They want to forget about it. But what happened is a little girl At her family home? Five years old? She just went to the front. door to the fr you know to the curb. Who put out the bag of garbage for her mom. Stranger. Rob jumped out of the car and tried to grab her. Okay? That's one story. Second story, fourteen year old walking home from school. Right, nice neighborhood. I could see the manicured lawns by herself. Another card robe up. physically tried to force her. take her and put her in the car. Telling everybody about this. You know, this this basically is a Warriors PSA because we have to get back to the days of we all remember stranger danger, right? Like everyone remembered. Both of these young girls though fought back. Okay, you know, we remember the stranger danger. We have to remind ourselves and our children. Okay, what you have to do. And these two, okay, one's five, one's fourteen, uh, girls. Make so much noise you have to scream. You have to kick and you have to do everything in your power to run away. The screaming alone will most likely they'll they'll take off because they're looking to Fear of God in a child and th then easily the child goes, you know, numb and they can take the child or force the child into a car. But we have increased cases of actually off the streets taking children, you know, out of a supermarket, out out of Walmarts, out of parking lots at these big malls and things. Physically just taking them, okay? So Please everybody, all of our warriors out there. Fresh yourselves, talk to your kids. This is not paranoia. This is happening. Teach your children, if anybody comes near them, two scream their heads off to kick and to run. And luckily these two girls did get away and also these two men in this case were caught. don't like a lot of surveillance 'cause people tell me this all the time, but you know what? These two men were caught because people did have ring doorbells on their house and they were able to see the cars and the license plates. But how desperate is this? They're snatching our children off the streets. You know, it's also it's just incredible that when you think about this recently, there was in fact me uh this this past week was the anniversary of Swartz, this is terrible of A ton Pates. And People remember at the time this was nineteen seventy nine. We're It was almost unheard well, it was unheard of. A child, even in New York City, abducted? be this we we have to reprogram and reorient ourselves. That changed everything. Back to the back to the subject again of um child trafficking or human trafficking in view of the World Cup. How has technology changed? the face of trafficking. has changed it completely. We work with law enforcement. So social media All of these apps allow the traffickers easily to recruit. to groom and to advertise. That's the whole thing. Advertise victims faster than ever. Exploitation increases it it begins online long before there's any physical trafficking occurring. And that is the difficult part for law enforcement to you know, these URLs to track the monies because look we have all this crypto today. So a lot of this trafficking is done in in Bitcoin and these other crypto currencies. And you know, that is the thing. Law enforcement repeatedly. is good technology to track all this down. There is ethical, good AI that could help us, right? 'Cause we're always railing against AI and the harms. There's some good artificial intelligence and programs. And what do I hear all the time? Lynn, we don't have the resources you know, to buy the technology. And we're not talking think about, you know, big cities like New York, uh, Chicago and we're talking small towns, right? Rural areas. You know? Spyro Gire, remember this? The um The Shaker Shawn. By the way, may I also commend to you Manhattan transfers vocaleese, or not vocally, but vocal version of this. Line up with you on another side of midnight. 800-848-9222. Let me also say repeatedly, 988. This is The suicide prevention suicide hotline. um along with nine one one and three one one nine eight eight be aware of that it is something that you Cannot believe. I'm I'm I'm gonna tell you this. I heard my wife yesterday in a in a di in in a debate in a in a conversation in an interview with a parent. And These people this one woman was just Beside herself. This very, very talented, talented These people these these kids today especially the drugs or pills. Necessarily from from uh on online pharmacies, but again from friends. They weren't they didn't overdose, they were poisoned. So let me just tell you something. The scariest stuff in the world is what is happening right here. Before our very eyes. And listen. Don't think like oh He is such a downer. Really? Downer, huh? I guess health concerns are a downer. I guess when people told you to stop smoking. By the way, do you know that smoking has dropped precipitously? At least in this country, you don't see smoking like you used to. And soon I hope we're not gonna see vaping like we used to. And the reason why is not because of the government, not because of taxes, not because of anything. It was because people collectively on their own decided they weren't going to do this. Let's go to Mark right now. Mark and Aurora. Mark, you're on another side of midnight. Mark, thank you for waiting. Yeah, I'm gonna bring together three topics you've been discussing. The first one I heard was dumbing down as in eighth grade level on television or radio. The second is deception as in artificial intelligence, and the third is trafficking. I would contend that children who are well read are going to be less vulnerable to deception because their minds are gonna be more limber. And that will mean They won't be as vulnerable to either artificial intelligence or trafficking. Now, let me tell you about three disturbing experiences I've had lately. They were all in the book group. One book group was doing it. Mark let me do this. I don't wanna be I don't wanna cut you off. I'm gonna put you on hold because we're as you could tell by the music. We're coming up to the top of the hour. I will get with you first when we return. I have a lot of other things I want to tell you as well, not to scare you. But I also want to talk to you about this notion of playing God. Let me just say something very, very quickly. You do not have to be religious, you do not have to be devout, you do not have to be a member of any organized religion, without taking into account the admonitions and the warnings that religion has provided. Remember years ago in the seventies, there was a commercial that was Chiffon Marjorie, it says it's not nice to fool Mother Nature. When I talk to you about genetic engineering, that is exactly what we're doing. More coming up with me, Lionel, on another Side of Midnight, don't even think of going anywhere. Already line up with you, this is hour number two of another side of midnight, 800-848-9222. I've got so much stuff to give you tonight, I'm gonna hope I get to it because it is, I mean, I want you at the End of our three hour presentation to say, Oh my God. How do I how do I comprehend this good? I want to overwhelm you. I want to just absolutely hit you with everything. I want to expand your mind. And what I will do to you, I will promise is I will never treat you like a child or some kind of an intellectual invalid. Let me remind you. The National Human Trafficking Hotline is eight eight eight. three seven three. Seven eight eight eight. That's eight eight eight. three seven three. Seven eight. Eight eight. And if our good friends Mr Jackson and Mr Mr Lee make a note of that in case somebody were to call eight eight eight three seven three seven eight eight eight, we would appreciate that as well. Also the national Suicide hotline. Number. for resources but also for discussion for help is nine eight eight. This is nationwide. This is nationwide and it's it's still one of the best kept secrets around. Let me say something to you. very, very quickly about this, and then we'll go back to the phones because I've also got something to share with you about genetic research, among other things that I will never get to. We're gonna be here tonight and of course tomorrow. Or this morning, whatever this is. To me if it's dark, it's night. Anyway. Today and tomorrow. Um whenever you talk about suicide. People will say, You gotta be crazy. You've got to be And I'll just dismiss it. And they'll dismiss it. As though, well, since I'm not crazy and people of my family aren't crazy, we're not crazy, we really don't have anything to worry about. Nobody wants to talk about suicide rates. Suicide rates among listen to this, among uh veterans. And by the way, veterans who never saw combat. What? Yes, veterans who never saw combat. PTSD and all types of other um attendant uh problems for people who never were in combat. But let me just say something to you. There is a fight to survive. That is so I I mean you you've heard this before. The number of people In the worst labor camps and concentration camps and on death row, people Who Could have realized I am doomed. Fought until the very end. People who are given uh diagnoses of uh allegedly terminal diseases will fight until the very end. So it is a it is in us. It is an instinct. When somebody commits suicide. Something has switched. Not because they're crazy. But maybe, perhaps you might say, maybe perhaps I don't know, some not an expert, but maybe some type of a neurotransitter. Shake up or what have you. The best analogy I ever heard. was somebody who hearkened back to a terrible image, but nine eleven when people jumped from the towers. They jumped from the towers not to commit suicide to But to avoid the fire that was going to kill them, that immediate harm to escape that. They jumped. So the analogy is the way some people see it. The committing suicide to еp. A situation of their mind of their psyche of their emotion, whatever. So just don't dismiss it as ah they're crazy. No, no, no, no. Yeah, sometimes there are. That's true. But we're very dismissive of this because we also have, speaking of which, a third grade education regarding mental health. Let me go back to the phones. Uh, Mark and Aurora had some very, very good points and I wanted to give you a complete and total a chance at Mark. to complete your very, very erudite thoughts, sir. And thank you for holding, sir. That would be line um One, uh Mark. And uh Let me go. How about Mark on line one? Can we do that, please? There we go. There Welcome back, sir. There we go. Welcome back, sir. I was a yeah, I was addressing deception both in artificial intelligence and in um Trafficking and deception in artificial intelligence. Off has led to suicide. Because teenagers thought they were getting a real friend and the real friend was summoning them to the life beyond. And that was a deception. Now In three different book discussion groups that I have been a part of lately, all adult discussion groups. I have seen disturbing evidence of dumbing down. One of them was a group that was discussing C S Lewis's descu tape letters. Now admittedly that book is for an educated audience. There were There were a few men who actually left the group On the basis that it was too heavy for them. The the book was too heavy for them. Another group that I was a part of did C Sere Christianity. Several people You know, full grown older adult males made the complaint that it was too difficult for them to read. Well, I didn't find it difficult to read, and it's not necessarily because I'm of superior intelligence. It is because I regularly read books That challenged me to make my mind grow. And then the sense that was disturbing. The third instance that was disturbing was a book Discussion group. whom I offered Jake a book by J K Chester said, which is one of the most fun books that he's ever written. Yeah. Yes. And er it's it almost seems like everywhere I go, Oh, we can't read that. It's too heavy. If you ever You know it's by by the way, let me ask you a question. If you you know, uh uh uh Chesterton, uh Woodhouse others, if you hear what they say, perhaps maybe in an audio book. It's it m maybe that might be different. Let me ask you this kind of a tangential question. A friend of mine and I thought this was kind of an interesting topic. She went to a book club. And uh she uh met and just similar to what you're saying, and she did not read the book with her eyes. She listened to the book with her ears. Now, does does that qualify for a book club? Well, it ought to because I'm totally blind and I can't be a part of any book club if I can't do an audio book. You know, let's just be logical about this. Yeah, but you could yeah, but you could there's also Braille. You know, there's all I always thought when I was a kid one of one of the most f one of the most fast tedious by comparison. One of the most fascinating things I've I remember hearing one time as a as a kid and I thought it was a joke was Playboy w was in Braille. And I just I just just just let your mind But it was true. No, it's true. They they they they they because there there are articles there's nobody talks about. You know, one of the things is so funny you say that. Uh I I love And have all my life loved words. And I love that. Well, especially a new one. And the other day I came across one and I'm and I always love to tell people, and one of the ones is somebody who is ignorant. I was looking by the way, David Graham's G R. M. B. S is he has some of the best stuff ever. I mean, it's just a compilation. You'll never find on your best day. Well anyway. Lo and behold. One of the words for ignorant, ignorant man or ignorant person is Ingram. I N G R A M. Now Laura Ingraham is pronounced Ingram and I thought that's kind of interesting. And I and I'm making no connection whatsoever. But I never and also a desert and there's other wonderful Be ocean uh but now. On a on a similar vein, there was a woman, she was a she was quite the uh The uh uh conservative firebrand, her name was Michelle Malkin. M-A-L K I N. Now we're multi. Is either an old cat. A slattern? A map? It's one of these So anyway, and a Grimmalkin is an old cat. Now What does this have to do with each other? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. It isn't it isn't um knowledge for the sake of knowledge. Art's Gratty Artist, I guess skians. And what's interesting about this is that Whenever somebody You know, whenever you go to a to a museum, nobody ever says when they look at a beautiful painting or Van Gogh They never say Did he have to use so many colours? Who was he trying to impress with your colours? I remember one time when I don't know how old you are, but we We were were you always blind or is this a new Pardon me? No, I was partially I was partially sighted when I was born, and then I went totally blind about six years ago. But I gotta tell you, and In college level developmental psychology I learned Highest. Correlation in older adults. With IQ Pulary growth. Well, it's interesting you say that I was a psych major. Uh uh in college. And I loved developmental. And I loved when when Piaget taught me he taught me, if you want to learn how you think, watch how a kid thinks. Anyway, the the analogy I was making was. When I was a kid, we had crayons. And we had this little box, this little tiny stupid things like you know, Roy G Biv, you know, just the elemental whatever. And then all of a sudden they had this deluxe one. Now in the greens, I had olive and forest green and this green and dark green. And I thought, oh my God, look at look I never knew how many greens there were. We have a paint store near us. And they have these these s these swatches of colors. I never realized how many w different ways it were to say white. Off white, eggshell, this, that. So anyway. Nobody ever goes in and tells these people What are you trying to impress people with all your colors? Words are colors. And words give me new ways to express myself. And instead of people I I keep telling people, words are free. You don't just take 'em. Don't don't people resist it because there's an anti intellectual thing. And dare I say And I mean this with all due respect. There are some parts Every regionalism has this. New York has it. The South has it. People who love to be ensconced in their own history. Well you got these guys to talk like this, I'm not gonna talk about And first of he got people like this in the south who said you don't have sense to pull a piss out of a boot. And it's like, that's wonderful. Being of a regional, you know, being basically this this kind of a Prototypical version. Doesn't mean you can't. You can't understand and expand your logic. And I'm seeing this. I see this, dare I say, excuse me, in the African American community. I see it sometimes in certain ethnic communities. And I'm saying I would tell somebody. I would tell anybody, do me one favor. learn one good word. I don't care who you are, especially somebody that you don't think is going to say this. And use it in a conversation. If you're applying for a job, if you're trying, just one time, just slip it in. And watch their eyebrows move up. It's an indicator that neath this rather You know, coarse. Tina of rural or urban living. There's a mine there somewhere. And it's the easiest trick in the world. And people will not avail themselves of that because they're afraid. I don't want to seem like I'm up in the air. I don't want to seem like I'm showing off. Show off! Show off with your intellect, show off with your smarts, don't hide it. Hide your brilliance or your ability to explicate to limb? Never do that. We are the only people I know who actually go out of our way to to tell people. You know, hide and camouflage your intelligence. They used to tell girls that, young girls. No, no, but don't ask more. That's why they would always dissuade girls in school from the sciences and math. So anyway, I think uh perhaps Mark you and I could have a whole Uh that Just a whole conversation on this. And also In conclusion, there is nothing more fun than taking a subject. And absolutely positively plumbing the depth of it. Are you familiar with with uh Benoit Mandelbrot and the fractals you keep going in and in and deeper and deeper and deeper. Well well well And by the way, did you know that Toastmasters clubs have something called the word of the day? Oh yeah. You're you're supposed to choose a word of a day and often that's done by the grammarian and The challenge is to use it in a sentence based on how it's defined. And some people strain that a little bit and they end up using the word of the day. for purposes that it's ver barely good for but it's a good it's a good Let me leave you with this and then I must run. Descrip how to play an accordion without using your hands. And with that, my friend, Mark, I wish you nothing but the best. Please call me back any time. We have more coming up, and I have for you a scenario about Remember the movie Gattaca? I've got something for you that is going to blow your mind. Next, on another side of Midnight with me, Lionel. Oh yes. Absolute classic in the American songbook, Joe Zominal. Jako Pestorius, I think Wayne Shorter didn't Peter Erskine play? Was that? No, that's Buzz Winch. Anyway, this is Weather Report. This is this is Birdland from Heavy Weather. And also, by the way, listen to Manhattan Transfer. Scene. This version, it's you probably didn't know when I had the lyric. This it If you don't know this immediately... Oh, here we go. Ah, this is this is it very good. If I didn't know better, I think this is the man in Dram. That's Janice Siegel. One of the greatest singers. When um when Tim Hauser died, they thought is it gonna be the same? Janice Siegel is unbelievable This is when music was great! The 80s! The only thing good about the 80s was jazz. In any event, there was a movie in 1997 called Gattaca. And it was about a an overnight born operator who lost his mind. No, I'm sorry, that's a that's the William Lee story. That's a different story. Anyway, Gattaga this is in nineteen ninety seven. This was this American dystopian science fiction film and everybody Remember, science fiction. is based upon your worst dreams. And it had it starred Ethan Hawken, Uma Thurman, Jude Law. And listen to this group. Supporting actors Ernest Borgnine. Gorvadal and Alan Arkin. And it dealt with this genetic discrimination, kind of this dystopian picking Uh the children out ahead of time. Yeah. Before we preface this, I always believe that Fundamental to most I can't speak for other religions, but I'm familiar with Certainly. Um Christian, you know, m tenants and a lot of them, whether you're Christian or not, makes a lot of sense. In addition to I mentioned this before, there was this commercial in the nineteen seventies for Chiffon Marjorie. And they give uh mother nature It's She goes, Oh, that's wonderful butter goes, No. That's Marjorie. And she gets very upset. She says it's not nice to fool mother nature, and then moves her hand and causes a tsunami or whatever. Now people now, listen to this, are paying. Upwards of fifty thousand dollars easy to genetically screen embryos. For trades tied to IQ and height and disease risk and even Projected life span. And what sounded like Again, we keep using that word perhaps too much. This dystopian, this Orwellian, this dystopian you know, uh science fiction twenty, thirty years ago. is quietly becoming normalized. Reality Companies right now are involved in embryo screening during IVS. And they say the process is about quote health optimization. Remember. In order to do something terrible, come up with a euphemism for it. And it's helping parents make informed choices. But history Teaches us that once society begins ranking desirable human traits The line between medicine and eugenics. Becomes Well. Rather thin. So if you've ever watched Gattaca. You understand where this road potentially leads. In that world children were We're no longer valued as human beings, first. They became genetic profiles. It was their data, and they were ranked according to predicted intelligence and And strength and longevity. And usefulness. So the process works like this. Eggs are fertilized through IVF. Uh multiple embryos are created, cells are then removed and analyzed, parents receive predictive scores. And one embryo is selected for implantation. Now today Today it's marketed as disease prevention. But is it? Tomorrow It becomes trait selection. Then social pressure follows. Then parents who refuse enhancement. May eventually be accused of This Advantaging their children before birth. So the real issue is not Technology alone, oh nay, nay. It's the mindset. This dangerous mindset that is emerging behind it. The belief that human life should be engineered and optimized and curated like software code, like an AI, like some kind of a codex program. And history We f I must remind you, repeatedly warns what happens. When society start dividing humanity into better less desirable category. And one human worth. Becoming an essence. uh statistical then compassion goes out the door because you want to remove yourself from the idea, this isn't a human, this is data. These are chromosomes. This is what happens in the whole abortion debate. It's not born yet. It's an unborn. It's not it's just a it's an it's a blastocyst. It's an embryo. It's a fetus. It's not it's not real. It is real and it is a human. It's not a duck. And science without ethical restraint. never stays unlimited for long. Let me give you an example. And this is what's gonna happen right now as we speak. Eventually, and by the way, listen to what Peter Thiel was saying, and listen to what these ghouls and Silicon Valley are saying. Let's assume that um Juan and Pedrit Calderon from Mexico Decide to have a baby. And one is the biggest member of his family. He towers, he comes in at five foot five. Black hair, m prototypical Mexican affect. physiognomy. Pheno uh uh uh uh phenotype. Mexican. Looks like a Mexican. has all of the traits of generation and thousands and thousands and thousands of years and generations of of okay. Well, Pedrito decides, you know, or Juan, but I forgot his name. He says, You know, I I've always learned People children who are taller. People who are told her tend to do better in life. So we have this thing through CRISPR and different genetic manipulation. I want you to fix it, not just pick the best embryo, but I want you to fix it. I want you to redo the code. Going and And run a a code. to find out what my particular genome is and I want you to add through either environment, you actually use a little virus to go in there to kind of change things. But I want to have a six foot tall child. Because I think they're gonna be better. Okay, good. Now even though there's been nobody in my family who's six foot tall. Nobody. Next. I think these Well, I think sometimes he hypothetically, these Mexican traits really aren't kind of disadvantageous. So you know what I want? I want it to look more like. More like the Max Van Sito uh Cito um depiction of Christ. Christ was Samarian and probably looked very Semitic. as everybody else did. But if you watch TV, or if you ever watch uh look looked at the uh Renaissance art, he looks like a Swede. So let's say the Calderon family decides to have this little Juancito. who's six foot tall with blonde hair and blue eyes. Doesn't look anything. Now he's their child. But he's been fixed. He's been changed. Can you see where this goes anymore? And finally, before we go back to the phones, there was a case years ago that was a doctor. Who is speaking? And he said, You know, if we are able to increase the benefits of genetic testing and f screening. One day We can eliminate Down syndrome. And this woman, this is a true story, this woman Raise her hand. Very upset. She's just My son has Down syndrome. And I resent that. And the doctor said, No, ma'am. I'm not talking about, you know, euthanizing your son. No, no, no, no, no. I'm saying preventing future. And she says, what do you mean? Down syndrome is a trisomy twenty one. It's it's a genetic It's a mistake. My son is not a mistake. They said no excuse me. I'm not talking about your son. And because for the longest time She was a person who said, My son is down syndrome, my son is down syndrome, down syndrome, down syndrome association, down syndrome, this down syndrome family. She liv she construed The elimination of this malady like hemophilia. As somehow eugenics. And then one more thing and I'll leave it alone. When Asperger's was first used. Many people. I'm sorry to say, many people looked at it almost like a designer name. Um now it's it's spectrum disorder or something. And when they eliminated, removed the name Asperger's, many people got very upset about that because that was their name. You can't you can't put us on the spectrum with everybody else. We're different. And I thought, oh my God, we're arguing about So what I'm saying is be very, very careful. As I think God, Jesus, Allah, whoever would say Or mother nature herself? Don't tamper with this. Don't tamper. Let's go back at the phones, back at the phone. Let's go to Paul in Pittsburgh. Paul, you're on another side of midnight with Lionel. Paul, are you there, sir? Mm ballant? I apologize. Paul's out of there. Let's go to let's go to Brandon in Chicago. Brandon here on another side of Midnight with Lionel. Hey, what's going on, Lino? Thanks for taking my call, man. Thank you, sir. I just wanted to give you a comment, uh you know, when you were playing that the um rejoin that song. Wh where did you where was it from again? Um weather report? What yeah, weather report and what was the name of the girl singing? Oh, oh, oh, oh Janice Siegel. This is Manhattan Transfer. And one of the Cheryl Ballant Cheryl Bentine was one. But Janice Siegel, I think, was the was the uh Primary singer. And that's and I and I think she's still playing. She's in the New York area, she's phenomenal. Anyway, go ahead, sir. Um, well the beginning to that um gave me uh a flashback to the show Twin Peaks. Um, you know, it's really how you know, like in how you're talking about nineties and kind of just like uh you know dystopian view and I I just think that today's Uh shows and stuff. I'm missing that David Lynch, you know, really Oh absolutely. By the way, that sound this is Joe Zawanor. who was the who plays the uh the uh per the um keyboards and uh Yeah, yeah. You you know, you're right. I I think that See, I don't in fact our caller before he said, You know, Brandon, I don't think uh Dystopian um uh Again, I think the words overused, but I like to think with my art. I don't have any problem with that. I mean sometimes it could be frivolous, but I don't have any problem. For sure. You know, just like it was just very um You know, like I mean, it's just the the stuff that he was creating was just so uh It it was just so like cinematic and it everything just like flowed and You know, it's just sometimes crazy, but then sometimes all made sense at the same time. So see, you know what my friend Day Brandon and I thank you so much. That's called great, great art. And I thank you, my friend. eight hundred eight four eight nine two two two Lisa in Massachusetts You're on another side of midnight with Lionel. Hi, thank you for taking my call, Lionel. Um I just wanted to talk about AI and um Using it as a therapist and it's a detriment. you I think. Oh yes. And I'm finding this out firsthand. I have found this out firsthand. Because um And it's like light just dawned on me. I um went into couples counseling and um about six weeks ago and I wanted everything to go so well and I had been using Grok and Chat GPT and um uh for the past e eight months or so and And um I went in there and I I I it just I would talk to it in everything and get so wrapped in it and it's like, Yeah, this is what you wanna talk about, this is what it is and And it's like literally at two thirty this morning, light just dawned on me. I really I I um I went in to connect, reconnect with my boyfriend and try to make it work, but It was total detriment because I was listening to this AI nonsense and I wasn't using my own brain. And uh Turning away from like invitations to things that was special to him and I was like no because Rock says don't do it. So it's really um Let me ask you something. Let me ask you. What is the fundament what is the fundamental issue between you and your boyfriend? Do you think? Well, um Fundamental issue is uh uh Where are we going after eight years? And um And uh m my final mental issue was uh Where are we going after eight years together and uh do we have a more of a future to Coexist and um Why doesn't he want to marry you? Well, we're both divorced. Um Uh he's divorced twice. I'm divorced once, no kids. All were cheaters. All the exers were cheaters. Yeah. So Um, I don't know. I I I don't know. I have I I don't know why you didn't want to marry me. Well so he's a great guy. He's a great guy. No, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Now right now, if I am you see, AI Does not possess empathy. Can't be empathic moral judgment. Uh the AI can give you can pretend it learned it mimics. That's why it's the antichrist. It fools you. Yeah, but you need somebody to sit you needed somebody to to um See AI One of the danger is dependency. See, people who struggle with loneliness or depression or anxiety maybe replacing human relationships with this AI interaction. Because what it does is It tries to it learns. It will learn. You're your um words, your temperament. when it's able to qu see you What I mean in terms of thermal receptors? the the timber, the the voice, the strength, the um hesitation. It can read. It will know. Everything there is about human um uh psychology. Everything. It will know it will know hesitation. The issue you've got to sit down Is first of all whatever Don't give his name, but you would say, Joe, let's say You have to ask yourself. Does this matter to you? That Lisa is concerned. If the answer is no, thank you very much. Have a nice day. If he says, Oh no, no, no, it it does, great. See, that tells interested. Now Groc Chat GPT, open AI. May not understand that. question is explain your fears. when you have been through something and you don't want to replicate it. It's natural. Does it understand that? Not that it represent for example, you c you can watch a dog circle the bed before it sleeps, but you don't know why it's doing that. You don't understand 'cause you're not a dog. And you think, Okay, I'm a I understand it. No you don't. So it doesn't understand this. What about kids? who were told by chatbots that they should kill themselves. That here's how to kill yourself. And I'll help you write. A suicide note. And hey, listen, is there any you know where the knife drawer is? You got any matches? Oh it's dangerous. It is dangerous. It's dangerous and I found that out in um I wasn't speaking from my heart, I was reading a script or I was had memorized the script and between Google A I and everything. I was just w try to Trying to present myself in therapy, uh, to the best way and I I just for for the most successful outcome, but it backfired and um and I just realized this this morning, literally two thirty, it hit me. It's like oh You know, I I'm I'm being able to discover this with the own my my the brain God gave me. I'm being able to see a couple of respect. No. Without your respect, you're just showing me you're brilliant. Because what you did was you took AI. And you used AI. inauthentic it is. And you understood what it means to be human. Let me give you an example. in the I'm a lawyer and we always talk about can a can uh do could we ever have AI or AGI or something be used in sentencing? It's like okay. Well let me explain to you this. Let's say we have a woman who was charged, she pleads guilty, was found guilty of murder. And the person she murders was her trafficker. Or she was a woman who was beaten by her husband over years, and she had to stay with her the husband because of children, because of insurance, because of fear, because of whatever it was. And then one day when he was asleep She snapped. And she had enough and she said the only way that I can escape Like a person feels like they're actually or kidnap was to kill them. As a human. I'm able to assess this. In terms of Empathy, not sympathy, but empathy is where I want to see put myself in your position. I know something. I also use age. Judgment, experience. uh reading me, my uh religion, whatever it is, I'm throwing into factors. And I may say to AI, yes, I understand that technically speaking. This woman does not have a cognizable defense at law. But you don't understand something. This is the compassion part. Don't you understand what happens? She killed her abuser. Her she was a she was kidnapped. In her mind she and they would say no, how do you explain psychosis? So this is the part this is the thing the human beings uh have to understand. I'll give you a terrible example. Uh not terrible, but sometimes speaking of Asperger's, there were some people who literally Not use the word correctly, because kids are using literally too much. They use literally almost like like word hamburger helper. They just everything's literal. Anyway. But th they they will They used to sometimes Asperger people would go to movies. And they would say, show me how to act. when they meet somebody. How do I listen? When do I smile? How do I listen and do I make eye contact? They actually would watch movies. To say this is called okay, I got it. Now That's try explaining that to an AI program. Can't It it it might one day change. I don't know. Because to be human is to be vulnerable and goofy and simp and and weak and beautiful. That's the best part of being, you know, where you cry. Explain it. You think an AI is gonna cry? At a scene where the where lassie comes home. It's like what? It's not gonna understand. It's like what I'm cry. What does cry mean? What does lacymate mean? What does that even mean? Explain emotion. Explain indecision. Explain conflict. You feel conflict. Now remember, if you want to see what AI is, talk to a psychopath. A psychopath is somebody whose head and heart are disconnected. When you think about something and you think of the consequence, your heart kicks in. Hard is morality. Yeah. You you think to yourself, you know I could take this money from the um Sunday collection at church. Nobody will see it, but God that I can't do that. This is a church and AI doesn't understand that. What does that mean? It's a church. It doesn't know. Now, psychopath. says, I don't know what that means. I just take it. So Lisa, congratulations. It took AI to teach you what it is to be human. And Defining the course of your relationships. You are more aware of humanity. I hope I can turn the course of things and and um convince Convinced me and uh anyways because I really I really screw up. I really screw up I'm gonna leave one I'm gonna leave you with one story. Let me let me wait. I want you to tell him you could say, You know what, I'm gonna tell you about something. Joe. I wanna tell you about somebody who a a friend of mine who made a big mistake. Blah blah blah. And then you tell your story and you say that friend was me. But I want you to think of the bigger reality. Forget this for a moment. Lisa, relationships should not require Convincing. This is not a settlement agreement. This is not I'm dealing. It should either be something ideally that you cannot stop Because your emotions and love should be so strong, you'll talk about it. And you can say, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm afraid. But it's almost like a ch a a parent or somebody who loses a child who says, I never want to have a child again because I don't want to go through the chance of of losing a child. That doesn't make any sense. Or somebody who's you know, sometimes people will say, you know I just lost my dog. I never want another dog again. And the best thing to do is I get another dog. Yeah. I and I don't know him. not wanting to risk it. Some people figure, look, I I like Lisa here, but if I can do it without the risk and I'm I'm I'm not suggesting that divorce is is not painful. We're not married. We're not married, but married, but we I know that Yeah, okay. But you want to be married. You want to, and he's trying to tell you that the reason why he's he's he's not interested is because of his hurt. And you're gonna say, you know, Joe, whatever your name is, that worked for a while. I'm not buying that. Now that's Lisa talking. What do you say to that, Joe? You're using that as an excuse. I want to do the same thing. You know, Joe, we're not getting younger here. Do you think marriage is just like m wearing a ring? There's a lot of economic benefits to it. The GAO General accountability whenever office. said that there's about sixteen hundred benefits, legal, tax Only married couples have. Nobody else has from a practical point of view. So anyway, that's that's my speech. Lisa, I wish you nothing but the best. Okay? Turn off that chat GPD. Thank you for being there, Lionel. I love you. Thank you. I'm here. That's right. You see, I am a counselor. at law to a l a a you know, an attorney and and a counselor. We counsel people. We've I've seen this before. I know what I'm talking about. And believe it or not, one of the best things you can do is to apply critical thinking to your issue. And ask yourself, what's the real deal here? Especially when somebody's giving you an excuse. Listen. Anybody who doesn't think Yeah. Uh you know, marriage or divor I should say divorce, is not gut wrenching and riveting and Of course people are afraid. Of course people are afraid. How can you not be? I think if you weren't afraid you'd be crazy. But sometimes you think, you know, that's an excuse. Coming up, we have more to talk about. We have more of the horrors of the world. And I want to talk about also this thing, because let me let me explain to you what's happening. Uh, you may not um this may not be good news for you, but there's a lot of people in the world There is a new version of conservatism that is that is really getting a lot of attention. People like Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson and other people are talking about this. And in addition to the geopolitical considerations, which many people may disagree with, there is a new embrace of fundamental religiosity. And in the case of Candice, uh she wants to be she doesn't want to, she is a full fledged Halfway. And young people are embracing Catholicism and fundamental Christianity and other religions as well. And what is good about that Is that You believe in this notion called morality. And what I'm saying right now about embryonic uh dystopian manipulation and all this jazz has to do also with the word Of as my great friend Father Jim Lloyd would say, Almighty God. He couldn't say God. He was a hundred and three oldest Paul is priesting was saying, God. Well, think about that. Because what we're doing right now is we're asking. God, whether he or she or it objects to us tampering with this fundamental, beautiful, magnificent symphony called Life. You dig? More coming up on another side at midnight with me. Nothing like all If you don't hear Elvis in this or Dwight Yoakum, you're not paying attention. Freddy Mercury You know the Freddie Mercury had, what was it, two rows of teeth? He had I think it was like I I I know I'm misquoting this, but he had like an extra row or an extra number of Teeth. Which may have given him unique mouth placement or whatever, he was phenomenal. Absolutely phenomenal. As are you, eight hundred eight four eight. Nine two two two. Let's go back at the phone. Let's back at the phone. By the way, coming up in the final hour, I can't believe we're there yet. I'm gonna read for you. A description of somebody, and you're gonna have to guess who it is. Let's talk to uh Scott to Monty in New Jersey. Monty, you're on another side of midnight with Lionel. Hi, Lionel. Love the show. Hello, Monty. Can't believe we got through. I hope you were forgiving me from all over the place in the scatter brain. Did you ever see the movie No evil. Yes, yes, yes. What's going on? It could be going on right now, where they cut their tongue out. They can't you know they kidnap 'em. And they cut the tongue out. Yeah. This is called this is the uh This is James McAvoy. Okay. That's it. The music you play is wonderful. Like smooth jazz. You know, like I think it I think to me, this is just my opinion. Good music ended in nineteen ninety. I believe everything was great until nineteen ninety and that was it. Monty, I thank you so much. But let me tell you something. I always try my best to realize that everybody has been saying. I'm sure that When people stop with a minuet and after Brahms and Mozart, people say, What is this music? I remember when all of a sudden Remember before the Beatles before that, um it was Tony Bennett, it was the four freshmen, it was uh you know Um skiffle and lipstick on my collar and that other kind of jazz. What is this Beatles business? So I Tell myself that you know what? I might not have the ear for this. When it comes to a lot of uh hip hop Prototypical rap, I have no ability whatsoever. to glean to appreciate that. Monty in New Jersey, Monty. You're on another side of Midnightwood Lionel. Okay, he's gone. Okay, how about uh let's go to Goodwin in Maine. Good one, you're running another side of midnight with Lionel. Hello, how you doing? Good sir. Uh, hope you and your family are well. As I hope the same to you, sir. Well, I just wanted to call and say Uh, like to listen to you and um that's about it. And uh hope you have a great day. Thank you so much. One of the best calls. I appreciate it immensely. Thank you so much for that. Let's go to uh let's go to is Paul back in Pittsburgh, Paul Yes, sir. I just want to bring up several topics. Uh three. And h hear your comments on them. Just give me one. Maybe one. Maybe young girls should not study science and math. Maybe that would be good. Why is that? Uh and uh And keep calling that they're good. There's enough boys studying science and math. Thank you so much, Paul. I appreciate it calling me again. If I could Take all the time in the world, and knew every word in our lexicon, I could not think of any way to explicate them or describe how stupid that was. Words escape me. to in any way gauge how inane that comment was. Now coming up I'm gonna read you something which is even more fascinating. Where is evil? I know you look for you think serial killers and then Oh no no no no The most evil person is the one who was camouflaged. The person who was vaulted. I should say vaunted. What am I trying to say? In society. Somebody who is a leader. A leader that was never elected. I've got one for you right now you will love. 800-848-9222. More coming up with other fascinating topics on another side of Midnight with me. Don't go anywhere. Line over with you. This is another side of midnight. Our number's 800-848-9222. And what a what a joy, what an honor it is to be here. Let me also say something before we get to the end. I want to thank Jackson and Mr William Lee, Doctor William Lee, Doctor William Lee the Fifth. Not the second, not junior, but the fifth. who are stewarding the helm and actually making all of this happen. We always forget. the people who are responsible are the people who you never see. I can talk all I want. I can do whatever I want and say but if it doesn't get across Yeah, I'm kinda wasting my time. So thanks to these intrepid spirits as it were, eight hundred eight four eight nine two two two. What is the scariest thing? Let me rephrase this. If you had to be I sound like prince Prince Philip. years ago who said this, but if you had to be a disease What would you be? If you really wanted to be like the serial killer, a really just deceptive. Aids. would be the top of my list. Something like this, kind of a retrovirus, an immune deficiency. But what it does is It doesn't kill you. It turns off your radar. Turns off your burglar alarm. And when Age first came about. Remember the the the first doctors were dermatologists who noticed Capazes sarcoma, and then pneumocystis pneumonia and they said, Wait a minute, we we don't we haven't seen a case of this in What's going on here? And it was the idea that it went and turned off. your immune system. So by analogy, what's even more frightening is somebody who turns off your scepticism. part. You see, they want to tell you and you know who they are. They want to tell you. to stop being a conspiracy theorist. To stop stop stop with just crazy. You're always looking else. Stop it. You're crazy. You're nuts. Let me give you an example. What if I told you this? What if I told you? that there was a powerful global figure. And what if that powerful figure Celebrated publicly as some humanitarian genius unelected, by the way. Decades quietly. And kind of under the radar funding. agricultural experiments and pharmaceutical campaigns and population studies and geoengineering or chemtrails as you would All across vulnerable, you know, areas of the developing world. Not simply to help humanity, as he would say, but to reshape it. And what if the real goal? you know, improved crops or preventing some kind of a disease, but control itself. What if it was control over food and control over medicine and control over fertility and life and population growth? And what if? What if the people who questioned these projects were immediately Sound familiar? Dismissed as paranoid. Anti science. Where have I heard that? Trust the science. Or dangerous. Dangerous. where billions and billions of dollars flowed into genetically modified food systems. You never talk about GMOs. How about synthetic biology, Max Mass, uh vaccination programs. And don't worry, they're getting ready for Ebola, and they're not done yet. Remember monkey pox didn't t pick up hantivus everywhere new? They're always pushing. More vaccines, more control, more masks. More more More of everything with no independent oversight. Now imagine this. Imagine there will be a deadly viral outbreak that emerges again. Just imagine this, okay? Governments are gonna panic. Media, you know, the usual suspects go berserk. They flood the public with fear because their numbers go up and they're told to do this. Then emergency powers return overnight. Because remember. Everything that we've done before is a is a beta test. Kind of a dry run for this. But behind the scenes Instead of Listen, strict um What would you call? Containment. What if Infected Very contagious individuals. Or quietly move. And relocated. Or Released. Into general populations, broader population. Why? Under the justification of humanitarian necessity. We have to do this. Think about this. They're human missiles. Why? Because fear creates compliance. We learned this before. And there's nothing that I would love if I were a member of the shadow government than chaos, because chaos creates dependent. This is the Hegelian dialectic. This is problem reaction solution, or thesis uh antithesis uh synthesis. This is Create a situation. Uh create a problem. Watch people react and then they'll say, Please fix this. Okay, we'll fix it. See, pandemics create opportunities that no election, no war could ever do. What if sterilization was never carried out through, you know, dramatic science fiction? you know, death rays or poison or something, but slow. Subtly. Sterilisation Through long term exposure to altered food systems. Hormonal disruption. Oh plastics. Plastics everywhere. experimental injections engineered um environmental factors that nobody really understood. Would anyone even notice until birth rates collapsed? And before you dismiss This is a possibility. Ask yourself something very, very simple. Listen to me. Has history Not already shown us? Governments experimenting on populations without consent? Does that sound sound familiar? Have big tech and pharmaceutical companies Not Concealed dangers? We were a country that actually said You can go ahead and by congressional fiat, by congressional rule, by legislation. Grant. Immunity. Immunity from big tech companies for putting on vaccines that weren't tested yet. Think about what we did and nobody batted an eye. Nobody. Have intelligence agency Intel, you know the big have they not conducted covert biological and psychological operations or SIAPS? Have listen to this. The new wealthy elites because let me tell something, the the the folks that the the the Palantirs and others and the Gateses and They are richer than anything anybody's ever seen. You know when you we when you go to Newport and you see the the cottages or whatever they're called or the Like stop it. melon, all those people. That that's chump change. These people are Incredible. These people, they always talk about sustainability and population management. And what they're doing is they're trying to reduce humanity's carbon footprint. So so is this possible? Or is it just kind of merely uncomfortable? You see When I ask questions like that, I'm always told I'm some kind of a nut. You don't think that, do you? I'm crazy. That wouldn't happen. How many times do you have to have something happen to you? Before you realize Absolutely. The saddest part Ah, Mr. Lee, another code, my friend. I learned a long time ago. This is very, very important. I learned a long time ago. That' If you just pay attention to The people who the bad people, the bad guys are not necessarily what you think. Sometimes The things that are the most dangerous are Well sometimes the things that feel the best. The taste the best. Some of the deadliest foods available. or the stuff that tastes the best. Funny how that works, isn't it? Remember something. coupla years ago, people who thought like I did, and you did, and I know you think like this, we were laughed at. laughed at. Something happened recently. Something. It was either the Epstein files or talk about the JFK files or the UFO files or the UAP files or all these files. Something happened. Something. And what used to be called crazy. Isn't crazy anymore. Remember this. When the Epstein Files came out Remember all of a sudden there was this thing called Pizza Gate. Remember that? They laughed at that. You're crazy. You're nuts. You're out of your mind. This is what you were told. Remember that? Well this time around it's the same information. You say, Well, wait a minute. I think you're on to something and say, I know, what changed? Because you didn't know anything. See, they want you just to learn through this obeisance. They want you just to nod your head. And what they do is they give you little bits of information. Little little dribs and drabs. Mr Lee, you know what I would love? Code. Code from above that allows me access. To our Shared data source. If you know what I mean, sir. I knew this a long time ago. I learned this when I was five years old and Kennedy was killed, all the way through nine eleven, all the way through everything. I learned it through Vietnam. I learned it and I never forgot. And everybody's been telling me. You're crazy. Do you remember when they said the Gulf of Tonkin? Remember this, the Gulf of Tonkin? was not. What do you mean? You think we we imagined this? We created the Vietnam War? You think John to create that? Yes. Yes! And guess what happened? It was released via NSA. It was the most incredible thing anybody's ever seen. So just think about what I'm saying. Just think about what I'm saying. That's all. I number 800-848-9222, Carl in New Jersey. Carl. You're on another side of midnight with Lionel. Good morning. Good morning. I have I all I have to say is That the only explanation For Joe Zow. Yeah, he was an alien. Yes. Or he had or he he was abducted by aliens. Yes and uh he learned their music. He was incredible. He was that really tough was he Austrian or something? He was really tough. He wore that wool cap. He's a tough son of a gun. I think he was but he was Yes, but he played as Zominal played with everybody. He wa and by the way, um Jako Pastorius. Just changed everything. Joe Zowano, by the way. He was born he was Austrian, yes, Austrian. And his few he played with cannonball Adderly. Uh Miles Davis. And by the by, I don't know if you care about this, but I was very good friends with Cannonball's brother. They were born in Tampa, not Adderly. who lived I knew him very, very well. And oh yes, yes. Nat Adderley was the quintessential jazz man. His answering machine. He actually had an an the old fashioned answer machine. This was the message. Okay. All right. Peep that was it. That's how that was it. My friend Jerry My friend Jerry Wexler, by the way, also introduced me to a whole nother group of those people were I think all from another planet. I think so. Did you ever see Weather Report in concert? Carl, I did not and I wish I did. My friend, I thank you so much. I Yeah. Is that Sack of Wool, Mr. Uh Mr. Lee? Oh mercy, mercy, mercy. Sack of Wold is also a very very uh By the way my friends did you did did you catch this story? I hope you did, because if you didn't you you're missing you're missing one of the greatest stories ever. I don't want to provide this to you because you're you're smart. I can handle it. Remember the case of Admiral Harwood and his neck? The mash Do you believe that Joe Biden ever wore a mask? Have you seen these Intel masks. that are available for people. Are you have you seen The genius of the mask. Well, you know, during a Fox remote interview about Iran ceasefire reports. Uh viewers spotted A shadow. And and put it this way, if you If you don't know This story You've been watching cable news for too long. 'Cause they're not gonna I mean, they kinda talked about it, but not really. Because the last thing the way you want to do is is call out the obvious. But But they noticed this shadow on Harward's neck. And it uh inspired a lot of online, you know, theories and guesswork. Of a hyper realistic mask or some impersonator. So Fox News, of course. 'Cause they would always tell you the truth. Blamed. Lighting. from a vendor's mobile camera. And fact checkers confirmed Of course that the clip was Real and unedited. So there was apparently a a host on Uh Real America's voice, they're a bit more feisty. Uh Grant Stinchfield. Pressed hard to give a tug. The sixty nine year old SEAL veteran shut it down. And he redirected to warnings about Iran's nuclear stalling. uh tactics. Now don't you think it would make sense for you to Question. Whether he had a mat, don't you think? If you don't think this is possible. If you don't think that You can actually do this. You're not paying attention. Many people have sworn that Joe Biden was wearing some type of a device or something to fool people. Remember something. If I told you Listen to me carefully. If I said to you, Hey, listen. I think you're a giraffe. I think you're a giraffe. I'm not a giraffe Yes you are. crazy and then you go and prove it and how you prove it versus I don't want to talk about that. What does that mean? I don't want to talk about that. Remember something. You only take flack. When you're over the target. And you also understand something. If you're on cable news today, you realize that your days are numbered. One way or another, you see what's happening. Newsrooms are shuttered. They are closing down AI and all these. So the last thing in the and they're also watching CBS. And especially with Barry Weiss, how she is just destroying that, which is good. So they have kind of I'm sure they don't have it in memo form. But they will say Unofficially. If somebody from the government says that the sky is pink, you agree. Do not put up a fight. Do you know what's happened by the way? MS DNC? They are irrelevant. I think they're in a closet somewhere and I don't even know where their office is. They're just gone. MS Now? They're just gone. Just Never hear from him. Remember morning Joe? Remember that relic? And now CNN is barely, barely, barely. hanging on to something just the most incredible stories. It's just it's so They are repeaters and not reporters. Let's go back at the phones. Let's go to Sharon. In Illinois, Sharon, you're on another side of midnight with Lionel. Hi, let me check that speaker real quick. Oh boy. Hi King. Thank you. Do I fear you? Yeah, perfect. Okay. Um I wanted to uh I don't know if Mark from M'Raw is still listening. But I wanted uh maybe you two is uh handle it to relay a message for him to rally James? Okay, Sharon. Thank you so much, Sharon. Thank you so much. I don't know what this Raleigh James every week there's this Raleigh J, R I have no idea what this is about. But how do I say this? It's old. I love a bit until it gets old. Benny and Bayside. Benny's never old. He's always fresh and vibrant. Benny, you are next, my friend. Anyways, Ry, Baba Bowie. Um you fear me? Anyways, um thirteen hour. Well you' you're you're doing it all. You are just uh Benny, you are just you are on fire tonight, my friend. Anyways, um actually uh my father was in Vietnam and um what was it about seven years ago he committed suicide. Um I slight that up. Um he was going through really bad things like the Helly Shore like villages just disappear. Anyways Not to dwell on that. That was um PSG is is uh It was it was a horrible thing to go through. I certainly beg him, beg him, like please let's go look and get help. Nobody knows what I went through. I go, Oh yeah, you only want that. And um and all that garbage. Anyway, listen, he he handled that in his own way. Sad to say he he could have used help, but Listen, I I can't even imagine what somebody so young and and to think How it affected him for the rest of his life. Just didn't go away. It's it's it's a permanent scar. That you can't see. All right, my friend. Anything else there, Benny? Um with it genetics, rather. Back in the seventies When we grew a a bird for for uh a a chicken for for market. It took whatever, sixty five days. Today it only takes forty five days. Why? With it's pumped up with with hormones and And everything else. Now you don't think that's a link to uh all the autism and and I don't now we don't know that. We don't know that, but I will tell you this. They believe very frankly. that a lot of these y uh girls are starting their periods and are menstruating earlier, menarchy is onset. By virtue of the fact that these hormones Because when you have there is no such thing as a five pound Chicken breast. It it doesn't make any sense. The turkeys that are just Ganchu. It doesn't make and it's obvious. Yes, but it's also recombinated. There's also DNA and the antibiotics and Everybody knows this. Hey, Benny, I thank you, my friend, especially I love all my friends who are They're they're they're great um They're meat eaters. God bless you. And they love to make fun of Plant based or Non meat. And I said do you Know what's in this meat? Really? They have no idea. But they they started this idea that You you must embrace meat, I said Let me tell you something. I don't know what the government has to tell you regarding processed foods. Bacon, nitrates, nitrosamines. know what they have I don't know what they have to tell you. I don't know what people are not paying to. But there's this idea. That that see, it doesn't even matter. that it does not matter. Let me talk about GMO foods. Do you know? Kids today. May never, ever, ever. Come into contact with real non GMO wheat. Non-GMO sugar. Non GMO soy, non GMO, and by the soy is everything. Nan GMO um Let's see. Um uh wheat soy sugar through beets. Um Corn oh corn. Oh my what am I saying? They've that they never have that your body says, What is this? What is this? I don't know. Looks like corn. Looks like corn. How much BT, uh BT corn and be I always think of the BTK. BT corn. This is a corn. A GMO corn. that is developed that expresses a natural insecticide. Think about that. It's just the most thing and nobody says anything. In fact, in Califor was it, California, they wanted to pass a law that just says, just identify. When food are Genetically modified. That's all. Just the labeling. If you want to use it, go ahead. Terrific. Oh no no. Oh no no no. There is this um thing in our neighborhood. on the west side. Every year. I haven't seen them lately, but these folks come from I I don't know where in South America or Central America, I don't know. But they're they're obviously Um Authentic. And they serve food and they put their local stuff to raise money for their church. And one day. I I love corn. And Jersey corner is terrific, but even that, a lot of sometimes that's GMO as well. But anyway, anyway. It's got to be because you anyway. So I I I noticed. This woman she has this I get Mayan, Incan, Aztec, I get 'em all confused, but they got the little hat and the Bolivian look very w very colourful. I said, what is this? And there was corn. Varieties of corn in colors, shapes. I said, what is this? This was indigenous corn. to their country. Might have been even illegal. I have no idea. I never saw it. I never saw anything like this. And what happens is You want heterogeneity. God wants food to be uh plentiful, uh not pluripotent, but uh v of varieties. And it is in I I looked at that thinking, oh my God. some most incredible stuff. It tasted so great. And what people do is what they are eating. What they are eating. It's the most i it blows my mind. I don't want to get into this because Whenever you talk about this, people are very, very serious about what they eat, and they swear. they swear that what they're doing is right because there's no rudimentary if you went to your doctor, think about this. If you said, doc, do me a favor. What's a matter? Nothing's a matter. What should I eat? And the doctor, you'll doctor, I don't care where you go. You pick the hospital. You pick it. I don't care. Anywhere in New York. Anywhere. The best of the best of the best. And they'll look at you and they say, What do you mean what do I eat? I don't know. Eat uh, you know, a moderation, uh balance and what they have no clue. Do you ever look at doctors who themselves are overweight? It's like they have food. Miss they missed that. Great at what they do. Oh, surgery, drugs, antibiotics, treatments, You name it. And when it comes to plastic surgery, forget it. But food, not a clue. Not a clue. It's the most incredible thing in the world. And if you, if you ever, if I had my way. I would go right into the Urban areas, African American, Latino areas, poor. And I would make, I would have a government program. That's right, government. You know it. Where I would make fresh Vegetables. Uh fruits, nuts, whatever. And mean if you want. Oh, by the way, I love when people say, But it's but it's What is it? It's um Not from it's um it's naturally not naturally grazed. What do you call when it opens open anyway, it it's not confined to a Grain fed versus it's meat. You're injecting it, doesn't matter. Anyway. But if I could lower BMI's body mass index by ten percent. Just that's a dent. In an area I could reduce. Reduce. Across the board. Listen, black brothers and sisters. Listen to me. I could reduce. Reno failure. Type two diabetes. heart disease. Oh just name it hepatic blood pressure anti- hypertension. Name it. By just Playing with diet. Nothing else. No medication, no exercise, nothing. Just diet along. But they don't want to do that. Why do you think that is? Do you want me to get really dark? No pun intended. You want me to get dark? If I didn't know better. You know, years ago people would say, You know, I think the CIA might have been responsible for flooding our cities with co with uh with with cocaine and crack. I I can't argue at that point. Don't forget the Mina, Arkansas findings. But it wouldn't surprise me. Well what if somebody said there's another form of kind of an urban I don't want to use the word genocide because the word is used with such frequency that we've but we've become immune to it. But if I wanted to target a particular group of people, what I would do is I would remove any ability they have. I would I would make fresh foods and organic stuff very expensive, but I would give them all the processed food and the chips and the sugary drinks and the knee high and the soda. And the greasy stuff in bags and chips and Oh I w that would be and that's exactly what's going on right now. Look at this. And when I talk about obesity, I'm not talking about it in terms of any kind of a, you know, a cosmetic, aesthetic look. I'm not talking about that at all. I'm talking about how it affects people's health. We're the only animal in the world who still doesn't know how to eat. We still don't know because if it tastes good, we're there. That's enough of my lecturing. Let's go to Robert in Brooklyn. Robert. You're on another side of the No time she carbon, um You know, in the beginning you were speaking about the World World Cup stocker, right? Yes, I This might sound crazy, but it's not making sense, right? When he said it's date June eleventh, right? Mm-hmm. I said, Wait a minute, the first thing I popped in my mind was nine eleven. I said why is that? I don't know, see The June is the sixth month of the year. So I'm going with six eleven. I turn the six upside down and I got nine eleven. I don't know. And if you and if you turn the eleven upside down, you still got eleven. How about that? What does that tell you? Oh I like that, I like that, I like Yeah, I gotta give it to me on point. And that came to mind because gonna be a lot of people there. Yeah also and you're right, anything will happen. The kids and you gotta be on point. That'd be very careful. I won't take my kid back if I was in my bad kids. Robert, let me tell you something. I thank you so much for your call. Thank you for your sagacity and thank you for your alertness. Interesting. You know numerology? Numbers, I don't know. The only one thing that means the only the only thing the only numbers is 1111. 111 to me has always been my, you have no idea. How many times whenever I look up at a clock It's oh oh Eleven eleven. And they say that's a spiritual lucky whatever it is. Do you know, by the way? friend of mine is a uh elementary school teacher. Do you know the kids today don't know how to read analog Did you know that? Did I exaggerating? Do you? Let's go to Mark in Illinois. Mark. You're on another side of midnight with a lion. Hey Lina, how you doing tonight? Um you talk so many things my mind is Listen to you I want to do something else. But anyway, we're talking about um Pizza gay is this seems like right is wrong and wrong is right. Yeah, like The world is expanding, like from the Big Bang theory, you know, everything's going out. It seems like everything's accelerating, you know what I mean? It is. It is. It's like we're accelerating. So I mean, a hundred years ago they did anything. Now it's just You know, everything's like fast pace and you know, computers and all that stuff. Well I'm trying to say I I I you know I'm not a professional broadcaster, so I'm trying to say is I mean, a guy wrote a book like two thousand years ago. You know, he was on this Isle of Pappas and he was seeing these visions. And it seems like stuff you know, you can't years ago, I mean a credit card is like, you know It you know, eventually they're getting rid of money, you know what I mean? It's like expanding, you know? Mark, I thank you so much for your call and I appreciate that what you said is absolutely Correct. You you yourself covered a number of product uh topics. By the way, remember the CBDC, uh central bank digital currency, you do not want this under any Stretch of the imagination. It's not the fact that money is digital. That's not the problem. It's the fact that your money is being controlled. Everything that you do. where you where you use it. And by the way, it'll be used in connection with with um Social credit scores. Imagine One day You live in a world As in China. Or one day you were caught speeding. Or you have uh DY. or you're jaywalking, or you you do something, whatever it is. We're not talking murder, we're talking relatively minor indiscretions. And then one day From your central bank digital currency account. you're docked certain amount of money automatically. As a penalty for whatever it is that you did. If your social credit score drops to a certain level You will not be able to avail yourself of uh public transportation. To hold office, vending machines, to travel. And then other people will likewise Astracism. It is going to happen. Like you cannot believe. And when you tell people this As usual. As usual, people will say, oh, come on. Oh come on. You see what I'm saying? Just people don't like to hear anything which is scary to them. And all of this can be done by exposure. By having hearings. You'll never hear this on cable news. Never. You ever hear this? You might have a it's the usual, you know. The other day I I thought to myself, it was a very interesting topic. And it was and it was interesting. It was Newt Gingrich. Discussing He said, You know, I think it was a mistake to impeach Clinton. And I thought to myself, what in the hell is he talking about this now for? I mean, yeah, it's interesting, but what? Bill Clinton. I mean My god I m I wanna say this with all due respect. Reagan is dead. The 80s are over. I loved people, loved the Rush Limbaugh. I knew him and worked with him, but that was then. Those issues, many of them might certainly be Relevant and R But what we're facing right now, Rush Reagan never. ever even remotely confronted and how could they These are Newer? We have different levels of observation. You know, you know what it's like in a weird way? In the old days we had plain old medicine. You go to the doctor and then you got your pediatrician. And then we got into stuff like naturic and then homeopathic and homeopathy and And uh you had alternative medicine and then you had kind of uh eastern and then you had people who I've got into different things too where we worked into exercise and then things like Pilates and stretching and and and meditation and things just expanded. All under the rubric, all under the guys, all under the the heading of health. Well news today. News. What is news? what you're going remember the stuff that is going to hurt you, the stuff that is embarrassing. The stuff that your government does not want you to know. And this is irrespective of who the president is. is never going to be talked about in open public. They're not gonna do it. They don't. And there's something which is the most critical. This is the most critical thing in the world and if ever tonight it's morning. I don't know if we're morning or night, I have no idea, but There is something which is so important and so critical. And I want everyone, I want you to listen specifically, I want you to grasp the idea of this thing called limited hangout. What is it? What is the definition? And I want you to listen Like you've never listened before because Nixon mentioned this in the Watergate hearing and and the uh tapes. A limited hangout. This is an Intel term. Also PR does it. And it describes a particular strategy or an operation where Let's say an organization or a government or an office or some party or somebody. Partially. Admits some wrongdoing or crime or something. And releases Selective Partial truth. In order to hive something even bigger. So they'll give you a little bit of a story and you'll say, Yep, that's it. The idea is simple. When they know something has to be exposed, they know it. Let's say the Epstein case or UFOs or UAPs or JFK. They'll sacrifice a smaller piece of information to protect the big secret. So instead of full transparency, what you get is controlled confession. Um A narrow Admission uh A A scandal That's manage. Look at Epstein, it's perfect. And the phrases They use it the Cold War Watergate they they I think who was it? Nixon um Erlichman called it a modified limited hangout. An example, I'll give give it an example. Let's say there's a corporation. And the corporation is causing Uh toxic Remember East Palest Palestine? Remember that one? Remember the chemicals and the water and whatever happened with that? I don't know. Remember Booty Giggity Giggity, remember him? I don't know. So let's say they have some, there's some tanker, tanker, toxic spill, whatever it is. Rather than denying everything. It admits to, let's say, minor safety violations or something Lesser. While concealing years of Let's say uh deliberate um contamination or or negligent. So the limited admission Kind of redirects your anger. or your outrage and creates the appearance of honesty. They came forward. No they didn't. No they didn't. Look at what the biggest scam in the world the issue about Epstein And U A Ps and the R F K and J F K and all these other files is that they don't give you anything. They talk about it. It it's it's you you you blame something else. Pam Bondy is coming back despite her thyroid cancer, hope she does well, of course. But they bring her back and they talk about it. And then she says, I hope Galaine Maxwell gets life or s Rod said. How's she gonna get life? She's got what, twenty years? What are you talking about? Talk it. They release little things. They have hearings and they'll have some files and you'll see nothing happens. you think they release them. They didn't release anything. Same thing with the UFO. UAP U UAP stuff. Nothing. They've talked about it. They have Elizondo on. They'll have people on Don't have various There's some guy on who uh I don't want to say it, but he's on He's on a another news network that nobody watches. This guy doesn't say anything, but because he has a British or an Australian accent, people listen to him. He doesn't say anything. They tell you nothing. They never want you to know anything about this. And you will swear that. that they release something, they didn't release anything. That is a limited hangout. They be or they'll have a file here or a picture. How many times have you seen that tic tac? Uh gun. Camera or the gimbal. You've seen it a million times. And they'll keep showing it to you. Newly recovered. Here's some here's some interesting ph photo. What does this mean? Another blurry phono? This is a limited hangout. It is so old now. If you didn't know that. Do you think a cable news company's gonna tell you that? The first thing they're gonna do is they're gonna get a call from their CIA liaison and says, Who is the the brain surgeon who is telling people what we do? Don't ever say that again. Or we're gonna cut you off. Think about that. Now that you know this, you're gonna notice it everywhere. They give you a little bit of information, but they don't tell you enough. This is Lionel with you. on another side of midnight. Everybody line up with you, asking you to think this way. Not walk this way, think this way. On another side at midnight. Let's see, let's go to uh let's go to uh let's go to the callers that we have. We we have I've been remiss in uh and not going earlier. Let's go to Frost. Frost You're on another side of midnight with Lionel. Frost once? I hear you. I know you're there. Alrighty. Let's go to Richard instead. Richard, you're on another side of Midnight with Lionel. Hey, Lionel, uh I'm sorry to hear that. Yeah. You were talking about uh the uh Covid and Biden. And you know, I watch Yes I watch I watched him take the shot on TV. Do you think there was anything but saline and that Yeah. Think they were gonna risk. Going into shock on TV. Remember the remember you remember this one woman, she was she was like the she took the first MRNA and she passed out like I mean, I I don't think it was that, but it but it's are you kidding? Absolutely not. Do you know how many fake uh cards there were and how many people I mean this listen, let me tell you something. That was a beta test. Now let me say something. I am not saying there was no such thing as COVID. I am not saying there was no s I I I I am not that SARS Covid too. I'm not saying. I'm b that doesn't matter. The vaccine is a different story, but I I hope that we learn. Thank you for that. Let's go to Bob. Bob, you're on another side of Midnight with Lionel. Bob, I know you're there. Bob, you sound like you're being smothered in by a pillow. Alright. Let's go to Chuck, I believe. Chuck, you're on another side of Midnight with Lionel. I'm ready. Okie doke. The best late plans of mice and men. I want to go back to something which is also. In fact, we'll pick it up tomorrow. Uh, because I just I absolutely love This story. Remember something and I want you to listen to me very carefully. Fear is the most wonderful thing. paralytic there is. Fear. Whenever you try to conv you try to Convey the idea of something. What is a greater Greater motivator. When your parents told you. Make sure you Come home early. Stay out late. Careful. What did they always tell you? The boogeyman. Boogeyman today has been replaced by more Boogeyman. And boogie night for that matter, than you could possibly imagine. Understand everything comes down to psychology. Everything comes down to psychology. And let me just tell you something. If you really want to get scared. All you have to do is what's going on, look what's going on in our country, under your nose. Not by people who are necessarily out to try to hurt you, but people who by virtue of laziness or negligence or neptitude kind of let misinformation kind of become part of the way we think. Mr. Leon Jackson, thank you so much on behalf of a Grateful Nation. We thank you for your work, and thank you, dear, dear friends. You can follow me. on YouTube at Lionel Nation and on Twitter or X at Lionel Media. See you tomorrow, my friends, and don't forget the Monkey's Dead, show's over, sue ya, ta-

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