AI in Surgery and Human Judgment

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No interest whatsoever in the Textual smoothness of a seemingly Lucid show. Especially when you have something arcane and completely out of the ordinary to discuss. That's what we love. as we mock you in derision behind your back. I kid of course, but not really. I I always remind myself and those people in the the biz, the radio biz, there's there's these rules that are pretty good. Sometimes they call them I love them, they call them formatics. One I love is we'll be right back. We'll be back. Where are you going? We're gonna take a break right now. Take a break. Take a break from what? These these are old hackney phrases in radio. In fact, the people buying the money for the advertising would say, don't say you're taking a break, because the advertising should be a seamless part of the show. But people just say that. They they they say these things. It's just one of those things that's part of it. But there are some other truisms that make a lot of sense. One of them is that people are always getting in and out of a car or tuning in. They don't really know who you are. They don't know what this is about. And I have for the longest time, especially since Uh Nine eleven. My whole world changed. And what I find fascinating then now has become commonplace. You see, when I started my venture into this thing. I loved The whole idea of UFOs and disclosure, but but not so much the usual. subject, but in terms of what this means for mankind and do you think these critters will one day have original sin? Think about that one. What is Pope Leo gonna say about that? Because the Vatican astronomy, uh astronomer rather, has already spoken. AI and transhumanism, but AI is the most important issue in the world. You know, uh we'll talk about this perhaps a little bit later, but um Candace Owens. happened to be uh in in Russia recently for a um I guess it's it's the Saint Petersburg um I always think of Saint Pete, Florida, but the Saint Petersburg economic forum. And people are saying, as usual, how dare she? How dare she. Dare she speak in Russia to our avowed enemy. She's a traitor. Thinking, what are you talking about? A traitor? There's no traitor, no treason involved in this at all. Don't you understand? Don't you understand? Putin is is he Let me just tell you right off the bat. The people who pose an existential threat to us. Or in this country. The thing that poses a threat to all of us is this country. is Artificial Intelligence, Silicon Valley. You talk about, oh my God, the you'll hear about this about the the effects of, you know, the the the umput Of Israel and climate gate, climate lobby and the gun lobbying, all the lobbies. The lobby that nobody can even compete with is that of which is the most important. That of the big tech companies and artificial intelligence. And you know what's really funny going back to Candace Sowens. It was so funny I was watching this day. She is uh the most powerful person in the world of digital news. A lot of people haven't heard of her. Some people haven't, but trust me when I tell you that, she she is. And like I said, she went through and they said, Oh, she's a she's a traitor. And you know, before anybody continues to feign completes that's what it is, feign ventilation over her visiting Russia, by the way, with no evidence that she ever met with uh Putin, by the way, this is the front page of of uh Drudge today. But it's worth remembering the long history of journalists and broadcasters and public figures who met with far more notorious and openly hostile world leaders. Barber Waters, Baba Wawa, interviewed Fidel Castro, Mulmar Gaddafi, by the way, whose name Can be spelled with a G, a K, or a G or G Or me. There's another one too. Got the other one. Uh Mike Wallace. I sat down with Aetelahomeni. Aetelohomeni, by the way, who was responsible for taking our individuals. Well they were CIA operatives for the most part, but but our sem our ambassador or embassy staff hostage for four hundred and forty four days. Nob nobody called Mike Wallace a traitor. Think about that. He said Dan Rather sat down with Saddam Hussein and and Gaddafi and Ted Koppel and Larry King and Christian Aminpur and Peter Jennings and and others all engaged leaders viewed by many to be adversaries of the US. Jane Fonda famously, famously traveled to North Vietnam during wartime and in many eyes committed treason. I would be able to argue the fact that she gave aid and comfort to the enemy. But but against this historical backdrop, Candace Owens, by the way, appears in Russia And it's hardly unprecedented. Journalists and commentators Have long argued that seeing events firsthand questioning world leaders directly. is part of understanding international affairs. And whether one agrees with Putin or not is really beside the point. The real question is why some why some encounters, why some folks or or or some meetings are celebrated as journalism While others are condemned as heresy. Why is that? History suggests that meeting controversial figures I submit to you. Has But they never been unusual. But aren't you tired of this thing called the double standard? And by the way, one of the things which I wish we would do in addition to everything else is to teach people a very important Very important thing, and that is how to think. I want to live in a world where we are absolutely open, our minds are open to everything. And yet we're told constantly, Shut up, don't say anything. Look at now. Now we're looking at the at the election of Spencer Pratt, perhaps. In LA people are saying it's gonna be stolen. There was a time when nobody could talk about about um Elections being stolen. I'm thinking, why not? That was because of lawsuits and people were frightened of that. And I could see to it to a certain extent. During the time of COVID, we were talk we were told, don't talk about other things. Don't don't talk about alternative treatment. Ivermectin hydroxychloric one, don't do this. And we gave in! And whoever said that the United States is this land of freedom of speech is psychotic. But let me go back to what I said initially right now. We have we have to start from scratch. We need to take the news services and train people how to think and to go deeper and deeper and deeper and to stop r just regurgitating. That is not news. And repeating what the White House whoever the White House is provides is not news that's repeating and not reporting. So I want to talk about that. I also want to talk about the notion of eugenics tonight. Vis a vis abortion. Which I think is incredible. And by the way, let's start off. This is interesting. A fellow named Larry on Long Island would like to weigh in. I think he has something fascinating to say, or maybe not. Larry, you're on another side of midnight. Lino, good morning. Um you did I understand you opened up to this evening with you wanted people to call you with in something just different, interesting. Forget the wars, forget all the I'm going to attempt to scintillate you. I worked for a company for thirty three plus years. I walked up to and drove up to a company And Four peacocks. Were on the property of this business. And Zing approached me, Lionel. I'm not kidding. I am now circled. By four large peacocks. I don't have peacock information. I think you do. You must know a lot about peacocks. But I didn't. Am I gonna get chewed up? Am I gonna get killed? What the heck? Heck. True Irish cigars story. What would you have done? I got out of my car, I tried to get into the Am I there? You are there, sure. I am with you. I I was literally like five feet away from the entrance to this business. The location Stay with me, Jericho Long Island. This was a very old building going back hundreds of years ago in this beautiful area called Jericho Long Island. And everybody knows who's called Long Island. I'm not I'm not making this up. The Underground Railroad went through this territory and there has been a battle over the years between the locals and the government. It's all financial. A lot of people want those buildings destroyed. But a lot of people for historical reasons want that open. So I am now standing with my tush backed against my car just doing business for the first time. And there are now four or five peacocks. What do you think what do you think is the sim is the the significance of the peacocks? What do you think does it mean anything? Is that is this inherent endemic to the uh indigenous to this area where these I don't understand What what do you think this means, if anything? Can I can I tell you my first thought was I don't see any fencing. I don't see any security. These are literally these are literally wild huge birds. Where are they coming from? Where they and I found out when I Vino I swear to you that that kid my my My Tush is against my car. I understand this Where did they come from? And I just I talk to them because I don't know what they're gonna do. Are they gonna hurt me? And I just do we find out where where they are from. Do we find out where they are from? No, what I'm going to do. When I swear to it. When I found out and I saw it. What did you find out? that there was a woman all of a sudden they showed up and some woman has been feeding these these Yes. What the hell do peacocks eat? I don't think peacocks eat spaghetti meeples. What the hell was she No, I know, I'm not kidding. This was fantastic. But I survived it I survived. Larry, I thank you. I thank you, Larry, and I want you to call me again. And for the life of me. See, this is fascinating. Did I miss the import of that story? Did I understand that perhaps maybe he Do we find out why they were there? Perhaps were they um years ago raised and then they became a part of the land? Were I I I it it was like it was like four different jokes with no punchline. Interesting. But I'm not sure where that went. And I'm gonna be wondering about this all day. I I'm I'm gonna be asking, What the hell was that all about? I don't think he's gonna be attacked by peacocks. I don't believe. I don't know what that meant. I have no earthly idea. That's why this is the other side of Midnight. Now coming up we're gonna be talking to somebody from St. Louis. We're gonna be talking about a story which I think is also Put it this way, if you can beat that one, good for you. Also coming up we're gonna talk about such fun stuff as eugenics and a story which I normally want to keep away from, but I but I but I will address this. about abortion. Which was a kiss of death for talk radio. But in this particular case you'll find it I think interesting. More coming up on another side of Midnight with me, Eli. Roger Stone here. Your dollars are losing ground, but gold isn't. American sovereign bullion helps you protect your wealth through real tangible assets. Through their nationwide wholesaler network, you get some of the best pricing on gold and silver delivered straight to your door. In 1912, the US dollar has lost 97% of its purchasing power. Meanwhile, gold So call 844-272-2428. That's 844-272-2428. Or visit DyingDollar.com. Request your free gold and silver guy. That's DineDollar.com. 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As God is my witness. As God is my witness with with my my tush against the floor. I swear to you, I wonder why? Why? Who was in the But I can see people say, what about it? We never got to the point. What about it? What what's the what is the what is the story? What is the big what is the denou Dare I say, I love this. One day there was a fellow years ago, and I I his name was Barry was it Barry Gray, I believe? Yes. And I called up. And I and I loved to do this just to drive people crazy. And I called up and I never got to the point. I said, Mr Gray I have a question. Well, not particularly a question. I have more I guess one would call it a query. Perhaps a point of interrogation to you, sir, that I find well I don't know if I find but I I believe that when tak and I never got to the question. And he never said anything. Never entered. I'm thinking he's he's ribbing me. I don't know how this thing works, but I never got to the point. Let's go back to the phones, what I think are fun. This is great. This is great stuff because you are the reason God made Oklahoma and the reason why we do this. Because remember, let's face it. When you talk about doing a show late at night, it's not the subject matter, it's the people. It's the Creedmore, it's the Bellevue crowd. Let's go to Ted from Saint Louis, Missouri. You're on another side of midnight with Lionel. Well, you took a risk. You weren't totally comfortable picking up the phone and calling a talk show, but you did it, and uh I was not comfortable getting on a bus and riding a bus, but I did it. And I I urge people just to do things even though You're a bit scared. The the I have no idea what you're talking about. I have no actual idea or clue and what a great what a great follow up to the first call. This is fantastic. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I have another point, if I may, or do you want to continue On this uh Lionel. Ted, I am riveted. Once I figure out what we're talking about, I'll be even happier. Proceed, sir. Yeah, well getting off of just what you know, making the first call was tough. I'm really concerned with all of the um coverage of the international problems that we are really forgetting about the cities. And there's some uh there's a format or a paradigm on in the in the citi now that are really uh almost bankrupting them and that is um an an agent or developer first gets money from Congress. So you get money from Congress to a project, that kind of uh puts a let's do this And sometimes the rest can be forever, Lionel. I have no idea what you're talking about. Explain. What does this mean? Well, it means that we've got to be cautious about taking money from the federal government with things attached to it. We have to you know we have to be cautious when we're given uh money. Uh we we need to know what our responsibility And you think this subject matter is more important than discussing war. No, no, I th I think we you we have to have a a side road No, I'm you're you're you're um I'm not in conflict with you. I'm saying attention can be paid by local officials to handle that. Ted, I want to thank you so much. Thank you, Ted. Thank you so much. Two calls in a row. Not a clue as to where we're going what that was about. It was it was but it was it was such a tenor of certitude. I found it wonderful. Mark in upstate New York. Mark, you're on another side of midnight with Lionel. Hello, Lionel, how are you? Martin. That's Martin. Okay? By the way, Jackson is just setting me up. So so I think I think you're asking right. I think we uh order order right away go back to fighting the war. General Keene is actu actually right. We need to go back to fighting a war. Fighting the one. Ma what? Excuse me? Fighting what war, sir? The war in Iran. I think we have to wipe out the IRG C. I think we cannot negotiate. Well, I would get I think Israel is good at uh Locating these guys and uh wiping them out. Why haven't we wiped them out so far? Well, I think we haven't been doing anything for about eight weeks. So I think that's why haven't why haven't we why have we waited this long to quote wipe the wasting our time and uh Why are we wasting what Trump is doing But anyway, my question to you is why do you live in a city where it's run by commies and uh why don't you I mean what what is so good about a city? What is so good about a city? What do you mean by that? Yeah, yeah. What's so good about a city? Why is it better than a country, man? What is so good about a city versus a country? about the countryside, you know? The outskirts of town. Why is the city better? Well we're a load of sheep. You're a load of sheep. Who said. Hang on a second. Who said a city is better than the country side? Who said that? I get that's just the impression that I get listening to. Where did you get that impression? 'Cause I listen to you. That's why. You think you're smarter than me? Okay. Thank you so much. I appreciate it. By the way, three in a row, my friend. We are on something. Jesus Christ. We we are on something here. Let's go to Ricky, New Jersey. Rick you're on another side of Midnight with Lionel. Can you beat that, can you? Yeah, hey Lionel, I'm not gonna ask you whether you remember me or not, but um I want to talk about hate crimes, but uh oh before we get to that, Bob Grant Okay, Jimmy's a firm anti communist. We never hear from Jimmy anymore. Maybe he passed away. Maybe this was ancient history, maybe this was decades ago. Maybe No, but he used to call up a lot Jimmy a little bit. We're not talking about Jimmy. Or Larry or or And we let's focus on this. Hey listen, Ron of Glendale. I tell I want you to show up when I'm making a public appearance. I want you to identify yourself. Bill Lee, you have been the king of the drops this morning, my friend. You are I mean you are incredible. Now let me ask you, what do you think of Heracrides? Enough about me. What do you think of? A crime is a crime is a crime, whether you hate the person or not. Well what is a hate crime? W why are there hate crimes? If I'm I'm asking you a question. Let's stop for a second. Answer my question, you're coming up with more questions. What is a hate crime? What do you think it is? That would be a crime against that person because I believe whatever reason I don't like them, but still the crime is just a crime, right? What is a hate. If the motivation is hate, if the motivation in me to rob you and you're a rich guy, is that a hate crime against rich people? But I ask you now for the fifth time. What is a hate crime? What is it? You're asking questions around it. I don't think there's any such thing. I don't think there's any such thing. And what are they prosecuting people for then? I think it's uh because They want to make a point. That they want to legislate your morality by how you wait, wait, wait, wait. They wanna make a point? They're saying that you're you you did it 'cause you you're motivated 'cause you hated somebody. Well uh yes. Men hate women and they don't go around killing 'em. Yeah, I I don't know. If somebody were to let me ask you a question. If somebody were to deface, let's say, a synagogue with swastikas and was obviously targeting let's say a synagogue or or maybe a mosque or or a catholic church and targeted them by virtue of the fact of who they were, namely they were a church. And they wanted to make the point not just to to to commit criminal mischief or vandalism, but in the case of let's say a gr of a of a synagogue to instill fear. To instare fear. To say that I am targeting you not just because I feel like like defacing a building, but I want you to to feel worried and scared. I want to to in essence We really inside a almost a kind of a mini terrorism. You don't think That that is different than me just on a building go nicks. You don't think that those two were different? Even though they're both technically vandalism. Yeah. Okay. W what about the guys that spit and scream and hit ICE agents? Is that a crime a hate crime against ICE agents? And they're trying to prove a point. We don't want you here. We don't like you. We want to abolish you. Yeah, I guess so. That's a hate crime against them, right? So what you would like to do is just abolish hate crimes? I I don't know, but it it's uh a vandalism in and of itself is a crime, right? One motivation uh where I attack it is it it's bad. What would you like to be done? I'm asking you again, perhaps fasting your time. I'm gonna ask you for the tenth time now. What would you like to be done? Just arrest the parents. And throw 'em in jail. What do we do with a hate crime? It's hate contagious. That's gonna make the other people hate it? How you see, you're just Than, Danny, thank you for your call. I appreciate this. How do I impress to a judge, to society, that the victim impact For example, I may commit a battery. I can go up to let's say Bill Lee, who is a strapping young man, and I can push him, and uh nothing happens. I can use that same amount of force Against a ninety year old woman who's who's frail. and I can break an arm. Now granted, the both actions are completely identical, but one results in a far greater result. If I target elderly people because of their frailty, if I do something in order to not just commit a crime, but to send a message. Do you think that should be considered differently? If I were to burn a cross on the front lawn of a black family, maybe the only black family in the neighborhood. Do you think that that should be considered run of the mill arson? The answer is no, of course not. What's the best way to handle that? You see it in our last caller, what's interesting is that he never answered my question. The premise of his call was to say, hate crimes are stupid. But when asked, Well what would you like to do? What would you replace it with? Never got to that point. Very interesting. Kevin on Long Island. You're on another side of Midnight with Lionel. Oh I know I I I consider myself a very intelligent person. I love your intelligence and I love just your whole radio show. This is a little bit of the lunatic fringe talking off. You ask a guy a question, you know, this is supposed to be a give and take. So obviously a hate crime if you want the bastards in jail you would obviously give them a higher charge of something that is a degree. Just like anything in murder. Is there a premeditation? You know, if you hit an elderly Jewish person Yes, it's a hate crime because and you start saying things like you're gay or you're not going to be able to Let me ask you a question. Let me ask you a question. Sure, please. And you're not in the corner and you yelled I hate Jews, I hate Catholics, I hate whatever it is, Alsatians. Is that against the law? Actually you bring up a very good point 'cause I did want to follow up with your idea of well there's freedom of speech. There was the KKK in Skokie and there was uh a lot of things which kind of contradicts a little bit of the woman that was on about all of this, you know, trafficking of of children. It's horrible. But at what point Is freedom of speech going into uh a dangerous uh you know, where is the line that you draw? It's it's very important. Wait a minute. Hang on a second. Okay. First of all, that woman that happens to be my wife, that's Lynn Shaw from Lynn's Warriors.org. That's number one. Okay, so I'm I don't know where the trafficking argument goes into it. Here's the problem that I have, and this is the most interesting thing. I have a very simple, simple Simple way of handling this. Rather than charge somebody with a hate crime. I would spend all of my effort, all of my my time to uh deal with the issue of this in sentencing. I would go before a judge and I would say, Your Honor, this may seem like a battery to you, this may seem like a a vandalism or a criminal mischief. But this act was targeted, this was meant to instill fear. uh to to cause an entire community to to feel something different. And therefore, while the the um act itself may have been eh irrelevant because it it it it convey a a uh a statement of hate. The impact was so great that we want you to sentence this person differently. That's how you get around it. That's how you get around it. As opposed to the answer I did want to answer the first caller from Jericho. I'm from Long Island. Those peacocks are in the Miller Regin. The Miller Gin is in that Jericho area. So they couldn't want to But that guy was comedical. But the thing is, let me answer your question. Yes, free speech, can you say on a corner, I hate whatever group or whatever religious right. And again, where does you know you can screen this into a per you know There's freedom of speech, but there's not absolute, right? Doesn't the law cover this? It's not an absolute freedom. Yeah. So what that gentleman said though, and he was very funny and i it was kind of you know, uh uh mental illness is very entertaining. That's why a lot of Oscars are giving Right. It is, though. But he said something very interesting He said there's an underground railroad. Now I heard rumors that there is an underground and again, I don't know I don't know anything that could be the truth. The bottom line like I hope people are watching I hope people are following I hope people are following your call. And the reason why is this. This is one of the things which is the most important thing. This is the most this is the most important issue which is so critical. You are talking about so many Issues, so many fascinating issues, back and forth, weaving from Jericho into hate crimes. I find it fascinating. Absolutely fascinating. The issue is simply this. We have to realize that whenever you have something. Whenever you have something that is of a of an issue like this, you always have to realize that while we're trying to do something which is important, something critical, where we're trying to stop a particular behavior, we gotta make sure that we don't stop How do we say this? where we don't stop speech which may find itself in an area that's hard to to deal with, that maybe is problematic. And then you're gonna ask the question, well who determines what behavior is or is not problematic? That's what's also critical. See, I find that to mo to be so interesting. And also over a period of time, how things can change. And remember one thing. The first amendment applies for the most part to the government, the federal government telling you This is important that you can or cannot say something. But most of the limitations of speech that we feel is never from the government. It's from individuals, from private citizens, from proxies, from YouTube, from others. Many of them, by the way, are implemented and used by the government as a proxy to shut us down. So let me tell you something, this is the most fascinating subject. of them all. Fascinating. And what's interesting is that while we want to stop crime and we want to stop behavior that's negative, we want to make sure we never do anything in the meantime to hurt or to affect the ability to speak. Because sometimes some of the most incredibly important speech is stuff that hurts because the first amendment, by the way, was never intended to protect, you know, uh uh what am I trying to say? To protect um Innocent, harmless speech. Kevin, I thank you so much. Pamela, you're on another side of midnight with Lionel. Hi. Um Peacocks are known as the watchdog bird. During the Gilded Age it was very common for wealthy estates to have peacocks roaming the property. Not only are they territorial and will chase whatever does not belong But also many times uh uh livestock owners will use them for protection for their livestock. Can they get um aggressive? Usually it results in a loud scream uh to chase the the whoever is on their property away. I find that fascinating. NBC uses it as its symbol, the uh As a child my parents would take me to the Catskills and Beamersville f uh farm up in New uh New Jersey and they would be roaming the property. And um right. Mm-hmm. Isn't interesting, though, how the male enjoys this plumage and this these this wonderful colors, whereas the pee hen, whose idea is to maintain a little degree more of camouflage, to protect uh the offspring are relegated to a kind of a bland you know version of that. But I find them interesting. In fact, there are some things some I put peacock in the same category as I do with flowers. The bird of paradise. Something that shows like who designed this. This is the most incredible design. But I never knew that. I absolutely never knew that. I thank you so much, Pamela. Another fascinating insight. Let's go to Michael Lynn I guess you're on uh the other s another side of Midnight with Lionel. Yes, I am. And Lionel, the lady who just spoke with you has very good information. It's accurate, it's uh it's true. Now I lived in a um housing project, uh in Jersey, a suburb. They were built in Siscu one, probably by the C bees. But anyway, they were little chicky cat houses. next to each other. And um Mr. Fertney, who lived around the corner, he kept peacocks. And you could hear the peacock in the neighborhood. And we girls would come home from school, we're walking on from school and we would get an idea, let's show me Mr Pertney's peacock. And they are very intimidating because of the size. Because we don't see peacocks. Around us. at all in suburbs and they instill fear if you can pick up on it. I'm not surprised that that man was pushing himself against his car to stay away from the thought that the peacock might approach him. They're very intimidating, very beautiful. And the bird of paradise flower is very beautiful also. I agree with you there. It's a very good intuitive uh idea about the peacock and the paradights. But I spent my coming home from school to visit Mr. Curtain Peacock. Unbelievable. And that's I want to think. And just because he wanted us to round. They didn't want a house. Yes. Project his house. I want to thank you for that. I find that to be absolutely fascinating. Now coming up, there's some other stories which I think did not make its make their way. And by the way, this this first segment has been again. By virtue of how the news and the stories sometimes are rather labyrinthine, how they can move into various areas that one can never anticipate initially. But coming up, I want to talk about something which I think is very frightening. Not necessarily doer or dower de uh depending upon where you're from, but some other issues which I think are critical for you to know as we enjoy another side of midnight with me, a lion. Jesus God One of the grapes. One of the greats. You know one of one of the wait Aspects about and by the way, I d I did not know we'd be playing the Hitchcock piece. But one of the things which I found so interesting about him in the great film uh directors of the time. They didn't necessarily show you what it was they were worried or fearing or what you should fear. They kind of let your mind imagine this. Remember when Psycho came? When people looked at the notion at the movie Psycho, what was it about Psycho that was so fascinating? What was it that was so horrific? We didn't really see anything. They asked uh Hitchcock, what is it specifically is so frightening about psycho? He says, You know, I had the chance and he described that there were torso you could build that would have a blood that could be pumped and it could be specifically gory, even though it was black and white, he says, I saw no need for that. What he wanted you to do was he wanted you to create the notion of the monster. You would do a much better job than anything he did. And that's a lesson to be learned. Because what's interesting is to find out what is it that people find what is what scares you. And when it comes to film in particular, it's a great subject because there was a time when I think we had better scary uh movies. W movies that were a little bit more kind of indirect. Today people figure, oh if you want something scary, I'll give you blood and gore and disfigurement. and uh disemboweling and saying, No, no, no, no, no. That's not it. But what's interesting about that is you never saw the monster. You never saw it. And by the way, in my particular view, the scariest movie I ever saw. ever was fatal attraction. And the reason why it was the scariest to me was that this is a person that you could run into. Chances are you're not gonna run into an Anthony Perkins. Chances are you're not gonna run into uh a Frankenstein. Sometimes I mean you're not going to, but a depraved crazed woman that one I'm not now, but I mean that one could meet perhaps in a relationship where proper attention is not given to her and she turns on you and now we call it stalking. Oh, absolutely. Now, coming up I want to explain something to you. There is an issue which I think all human beings should be aware of, and it's the notion of Well It's it's it's really the notion of The idea of eugenics. And trying to get rid of, to remove, to limit, to winnow certain people from our society. If you look at the words of Margaret Sanger initially, and you listen to what she said. You would find Them to be absolutely beyond horrific. You will not be able to understand, to grasp, and I mean this. How this woman said this without anybody today even noticing it. Well there was a story which came about, which is fascinating about it well said This is a story about some folks who decided, Jesse Ridgway, and that his decision to publicly announce That he and his family Had terminated a pregnancy after learning their unborn child had Down syndrome. And it sparked Outrage. Four. many many reasons. Now while the the the couple has of course under the rules every legal right Uh to make a deeply personal medical decision like this, as horrible as one might think it is. What I found to be even more horrible. if not more fascinating, was how it implied and how it involved This is important. This putting it onto the platform of social media. Are there people that you've known Who cannot do anything, and I mean anything, without announcing it or or accompanying it on social media, some kind of a platform. Have you noticed there are people like this? And what's interesting about this is, what's what's so frightening to me is that their reaction was incredible. What what especially disturbed people regarding this was not simply the abortion itself. But the rationale that was offered to millions of followers. And by the way, this was covered in the Times and other people this the the backlash of this was incredible. By emphasizing statistics about medical, you know, complications and And portraying Down syndrome primarily as a kind of as a collection of of of uh of burdens and limitations. The message that was given risked suggesting that lives affected by similar conditions, conditions that are somehow less valuable and less worthy, are able to be addressed through the expiration and termination of a life. And for many families, by the way, raising a child with Down syndrome, that implication was painful. It's it's as though they gave this information not to show you the particular uh problem they went through, but the reaction posed a broader concern about modern prenatal testing. Increasingly, and this is interesting, society appears to be moving toward a kind of a mindset. In which In which genetic diagnoses become the grounds for eliminating children before birth rather than preparing families to support them. Now I I want you to think about this for a moment. I've always, for the most part, historically, kind of stayed away from the issue of abortion. And this is not an abortion issue per se. What this is is something that we must deal with in addition to AI and transhumanism, and that is the idea of eugenics to be able to use science to craft a particular type of person, population. There's positive eugenics where we try to go out of our way to increase uh a a particular f um trait to increase let's say intelligence, to increase athleticism, but then there's the other side of negative eugenics. where we're talking about eliminating from the population those individuals who don't well who have traits or conditions that we find either problematic, dangerous, or worthy of elimination. Now I'm gonna also throw something in which you're not supposed to do, but I'm gonna do it as well. I don't normally bring in the notion of religion, but I want you to understand something. If you think they're reading stories today. whether they're about AI, whether about whatever, is nothing more. than just reading the cold hard facts about science or data and not understanding morality, religion, life, the sanctity of life. And when we pull the plug. When does randomness? come into play where we say, you know what? We never called for this, so we're going to eliminate this this particular this this fetus. More importantly, as we're able to determine specifically particular traits, what if you have individuals, let's say a Mexican family who realizes that genetically, statistically, it's better if their child be six foot tall and have blonde hair and look uh Norwegian when nobody in their family looks like that. Remember in the 70s, the Chiffon Margarine commercial says it's not nice to fool mother nature. When do we fool it? And if you think this is kind of some futuristic issue, oh no, no, no, no. It's happening right now. Let's talk 800-848-9222 Lionel with you on another side of Midnight. Summer's a gift. The gift of days that lasts a little longer. A brighter state of mind. So gift yourself a new Kia at the Kia Summer Sticker Sales event. Especially tagged vehicles including the Sorrento, Sportage, Carnival, as well as the Nero Hybrid. 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I wanna show you something. I'm gonna take you to the to a hospital. Really? Yes. And oh well what is this? Of course, God would know this, but God's playing along with me. I said, G I would say, Well God, this is this is the Alzheimer's suite. Really? What is that? Well we've noticed God, that people are that the numbers of elderly people with Alzheimer's is growing precipitously. And uh God says, how how old are some of these help? Well, some are ninety. And God would say, Oh what if God said? I never intended people to be ninety. Of course they have Alzheimer's because they're they're too old. What are you talking about? I never wanted this. What Mm. Nature Nature doesn't we don't have old animals. I mean we have the occasional older dog or something, but that's not the way but but We're different. And then we go to a to a to a maternity ward. I say to God. Look at this. Look at these women, God. This woman's forty years old. Some are older, giving birth. through IV and other particular means. And God would say, Wait a minute. Forty? Forty? No, no, no, no, no. I never I never intended that. Women should have children when they're the on side of their period, uh during menarchy. This is this is what I intended. And we may say, Oh no, no, no, we can't do that. Some of these kids are sometimes developing much quicker now because of a variety of other uh aspects like you know antibiotics and and um and uh recumbent um you know steroids and different things And God said, Excuse me. Do you want to have a perpetuation of the species or do you want to have mature parenting? What do you n what do you want? So what I'm trying to say is when nature gets in the way. of our morality or what we think is okay. How does that work? Recently there was a case not too long ago where there was a physician and he was talking about genetic counseling and genetic engineering and the like, CRISPR technology. And the statement was made that in a couple of years or in a generation we will not see And there was a parent who was in the in the group in the in the group who took great umberge at that. I said, How dare you? Our child has down syndrome and we love him. And the doctor says, I never said you didn't. I'm not talking about Uhanizing them now? I'm talking about eliminating Trisomy twenty one. And she took it. As an insult. As opposed to recognizing that no And as much as we love the individual who might possess this, society I think would benefit by not having more of this. They didn't understand it. There was a while back when people with Asperger's when they change changed the DSM five to spectrum disorder and they took Asperger's away, they were up in arms because that was their name. And what happens? When you look at something and you're saying, now we can do all we we can do in vitro, we can do all types of things. When do we violate nature? And w do we ever seem to ever talk about the morality of things? You know, we talk about this all the time. We talk about UFOs and UAPs and and extraterrestrials. Okay? What happens if we catch one of these critters? And what happens if we Confine this person or this thing. Is that immoral? What if we not let them go? Can we experiment on it? Can we confin it so it doesn't slip back onto its ship and take off? Is that false imprisonment? Are we in essence being quote inhumane Now when I bring this up, nobody seems to ever really think about it. And the problem is that this is why we never found we never talked about this during the evolution of AI. Never came up. We never thought about it. Not for a moment. Just never came up. Never thought of it. Never it never concerned us. We were too busy, you know, showing the world how smart we are. But now we may need something similar to like a Manhattan project for that. Let me ask these questions of you. This is a very, very simple, very serious Question. If If a child is aborted. Because of a genetic diagnosis? How is that different from selecting against undesirable traits? And does prenatal screening become a tool for eliminating certain populations before birth. And not done yet. Are we moving from treating disease to preventing the existence of people with particular conditions? Why do we never talk about the morality of science? Wha what what happens when what happens when testing expands beyond Down syndrome to autism or dwarfism or deafness or other traits? And then we have to think about this. Disability rights and human dignity. Many disability advocates argue that selective abortion, which is what we're talking about right now, based on a diagnosis, sends a message that some lives are less valuable. You see, we had a caller before who said, We should go up and go in there, just blow up Iran. Just blow it up. Just do it. Blow em up. Do what General Keane said. Well that means killing people. Yeah, well Look how we do this. They're not sometimes we don't even talk about killing people, we talk about collateral damage. And what I'm trying to tell you Is do you ever fear that with all this great tough talk about technology and the like, that we never think about. Where we're going with this. N I mean, do we really talk about that? There was a case a while back and to bring up abortion. I know I don't do this, but I'm gonna tell you. There is a reason why Row against Wade. or roe V Wade, as you say, is unconstitutional. I'm not gonna go to it. It's it's a dry it's rather dry, but Nino Scalia would agree with me a hundred percent. Because there's no such thing as substantive due process, it doesn't make any sense. But that's too legally wonky. What happened was people went berserk because they said that this outlawed abortion. And it didn't. It didn't at all. It just says it's up to the states. But I can't believe how people fought. fought for this. I remember reading or seeing on Tv actor or actresses claiming that they had X amount of abortions. He had T shirts lauding this. And now we have men which is ridiculous, claiming they can have children and they can menstruate and it's it's it's nuts. But back to the reality of this. When do we ever talk about morality? When do we when do we do this? And I mentioned this before. If we have somebody from another star system, planet, wherever it's from. and we have this person here. The Vatican has already answered this question. What if they are born? What if what if what if the church what if Pope Leo considers them to be born without original sin because they are theoretically not of Adam, one could argue. That means they don't need redemption. They don't need to be born again. Do you see where this is going? Do you see what this will do? It's a fascinating, fascinating, fascinating topic which we never discuss. Let's go to Liz in I think Alaska. Liz, you're on another side of Midnight with Lionel. Hi, Lionel. I appreciate this very much. I personally had a pregnancy in the mid eighties and they kept talking about you have choices, um prenatal diagnosis of a birth defect. They kept talking about abortion uh choices and I'd say you mean abortion. Well I refused. delivered at a different location. The child is now forty, has three kids, brilliant, and been all over the world. Whew. I heard recently, and I don't know where, there was a woman who was given the chance to abort. Turns out it wasn't trisomy twenty-one, it wasn't down, it was just a mistake. It was a mistake. And she wouldn't have aborted this child. Now listen, I don't want to get into the argument of that. That that's not the purpose of this. Because abortion and it's whether it's right or wrong, whether it should be legal or illegal, that's for other people to decide. What I'm talking about is that when we talk about these great scientific sci fi, you know, uh Art Bell kind of questions. There's never the morality that comes behind it. Let me ask you this, Liz. What happens if I am able to say, Listen, uh, we're gonna do an IV thing on you and I've and I've segregated some um Good looking um Embryos I think you're gonna like. We're gonna discard the rest. Well that's an abortion. I'm discarding them. that's that's abortion. Because I think I think most people would argue, maybe, perhaps, that a a that conception is the beginning of life. It's not a duck. So it's eugenic, too. Well it is eugenics. And also an IUD theoretically is an abortion because it but but but the point is now what if I could say now listen, Liz You come from I'm just assuming, you come from a Mediterranean family and nobody in your family has ever broken five eight. How would you like to have the first six foot two member of your family. I can fix this. What if I start to change. The way your family looks. From now on. And nobody has any trait of Grandpa Luigi or Or Anything. What if The certain randomness The collective, what do you want to call it? The kind of the hit or miss beauty of nature, the heterogeneity. What if I eliminate that? anybody ever talk about that? And who decides what is and isn't Um What am I trying to say? Uh moral. And does morality even play come into play here? I mean these are these are the questions which you know we never talk about it when it comes to to um COVID, when it came to the idea of uh there being You know, vaccines. We always look at science and we look at these things, and especially AI, which is gonna be the most incredible. We don't I think we need to have some form of not necessarily mandated by government But a group of people who talk about the ethics, the responsibility, the the ethical, let's say fallout, something kind of like a like a um a Manhattan project, so to speak, for the ethics of this. Because as we do more and more of this. we're gonna be seeing things change drastically. And what if for example, what if do you think there's any kind of a moral uh consideration when we talk about spraying the entire sp uh atmosphere with chemicals? Do you think we should maybe consider People who don't have a say in that? Do you think morally we should put this up to a vote? We should at least inform people. By the way, Liz, I thank you for calling. But Thank you so much. I thank you. But I mean this. I mean this from the bottom of my heart. I don't wanna I this is not a religious show. That's not what I'm saying. But if you think that we're gonna be talking about all this great development, up to and including, by the way, I still want to ask you a question. If we catch one of these critters, one of these E T types, Can we confine them? Jail them? Incarcerate them? As we what? Experiment on them? By what jurisdiction do we have then? More consideration, more thoughts, more comments on another side of Midnight with Lionel. Already aligned over there. Number 800 8489222. Nobody's ever asked this question, but I'm gonna ask you and again. The notion of morality and sin and I don't I'm not a religion I'm not a pastor, obviously, or a rabbi or an imam. But you know, we talk about this uh we we love to talk about UFO stuff. And what do they look like? Well the Greys look like this, and the critters look like this, and the Norwegians look like this. Great. What do we do when we catch one? We're gonna catch one. Okay? What do we do? You know exactly what we're gonna do. We're gonna catch 'em. We're not gonna let 'em go. We're not gonna we're g we're gonna we're gonna ostensibly say at first, Oh no, we're trying to help you. Gonna make sure you're okay. You know you were most probably involved in some kind of a crash or something, and we're gonna you know, do our best to make sure you're okay. But then you're gonna ask yourself, w Can they go? Well We're not done testing them. And if you do know, I mean ask any other animal or any other species that we've gotten our our mitts on. What have we done? We've controlled. We've put 'em in pens and in zoos. We're horrible to animals. And we would most probably, most probably look at these Oh these issues, these if you will, these people, these critters, as not human. And when you wanna talk about genetic life, think about think about what you've gotta deal with. You've gotta have You've got a gen we're talking about genetic engineering. Gene editing through CRISPR. Uh prenatal screening, assisted suicide technology. That's another I haven't even gotten to that one yet. Life extension technologies, artificial womb. Human cloning. Brain computer interfaces. What if I'm able to connect you and a loved one up to some base, some some data base? Which don't worry about. lost memories, we have basically we're going to take a copy of your memory during the time of your life, and then later on when you get older and forget things, we'll kind of give you a little jump start and we'll fill in the blanks. Here is the problem. When I was a psych major and I took the class called memory, I never forgot how I would always look at and always like to read the table of contents. The table of contents kinda tells me where I'm going. Well table of contents on memory, half of the book was on forgetting. Because forgetting was not something that was a mistake. It was something that was critical. Let's go to uh let me see who has been Let's go to Robert in New Jersey. Robert, you're on another side of Midnight with Lionel. My question is Has someone found a way to weaponize media's one made a loud noise off the coast of Massachusetts recently. Meteors? Yes. Can have we has somebody found a way to weaponize meteors so that they can hit specific targets? You know, it's a good question. I I Put it this way, I don't know if they're able to weaponize or to direct the course of them, but I think they could probably also mimic uh what appears to be. You know what? That's a great question, Robert. I thank you for your call. I don't know. Sally in Rockland County, Sally You're on another side of midnight with a Lionel. Good morning, Lila. Um you have so many good topics today. But the one that's really touched me is the medical ethics issue um and morality in in science. Uh I think that there are a lot of people who are thinking about this and who are working on it. And it shows in and we've made progress in terms of the morality in medicine. Um uh for for instance, in this country it's illegal to sell your organ. to sell organs for transplant. I think that's a moral position. Um I I I Also there's a group called Compassion and Dying. And and I think that that is On an ethical moral position that people Let me ask you a couple of things here. First and foremost, I'm a little hesitant. They're saying to you you can't sell Um your organs. But I have heard some horror stories about some dare I say some unethical hospitals that were a little bit precipitous before they would call a crime. code because this body has a liver, lungs, especially if you're let's say you're in some type of trauma uh and you are young You are a gold mine of harvestable. Um you know. From lenses and corneas to lungs are hard to kidneys are So I don't know sometimes if we might not be able to sell our organs. Hospital sure does. And there's also the case, it's been reported that in China If you are unable to secure an organ in this country because of a variety of reasons, your age, maybe it's maybe it's liver some type of liver transplant and you've been a drug addict. They say and I'm gonna just repeat what I hear. I can't verify this, but they say that you can go to China And uh they will do the various testing and that they will go into their one of their prisons, find somebody who is best able to to satisfy or to to comply with your particular parameters. And you will leave with a nice big play school f kind of a one of these portable uh uh what have you, uh these devices or these things with an organ, a new liver. And you know, a transplant could be done there or elsewhere. So I don't know. Here's a question I have. Why is it illegal, why is it wrong for you to sell your own organs. Why? Why should it be? Well, I think that I think that trafficking in human life I think that that putting a price on on these things is considered immoral. Certainly in this country it's considered immoral. Well, but lots of these No no no I listen, I agree with you, but but what I'm saying is if somebody says, listen, if I said to you, now we we're we're not going to Sally, we're not gonna have you, we're not gonna pay you for your organ But we'll pay you for your time, for your in essence almost like the pain and suffering, the inconvenience. Not for the organ, mind you, wink wink, but for other ancillary matters. But but e either way, we need, you and me, Sally, we need to have a some kind of a committee. Where we get everybody from various religions, but also bioethicists, um doctors, lawyers, people, regular folks, and to sit around and talk about this. Because what we do in our society is we come up with the technology first. And then Then we say, oh yeah, the ethics. Huh. Sally, I thank you for your call. And we haven't even gotten into the area yet about a f uh assisted suicide. Oh my God. You know, my wife and I had a uh friend of ours, we found out after the fact she uh went to either was it Switzerland or Sweden to have this this acceleration of death done and it was um I think I I can only think it was precipitous because she had a lot of mental health issues, which one could argue Wanting to take your own life is a mental illness. I don't necessarily think so, but even that's a difficult thing to say. But think about this though. Assisted suicide technology, life extension, artificial wounds, w human cloning, brain computer interfaces. AI replacing human workers. Autonomous weapons. AI surveillance systems. AI generated deepfakes. This is just the AI. Who's talking about this? AI companions replacing relationships. AI decision making in healthcare, predictive policing algorithms, AI determining credit or employment. Uh let me let me just stop right there. When Minority Report came out, that movie with Tom Cruise, it showed me a dystopian horror stories of what happens if we start to say, you know what, Mr. Jones, Mr. Mr Lee, based upon your propensity for violence Based upon your your your eating and drinking and your your proclivity for intoxicants and your family record and your criminal record, we believe there's a high likelihood that you might be involved in some type of inhospitable behavior. So we're going to anticipatorily Incarcerateju in la There's a concept called anticipatory repudiation. This is when you have a contract with somebody and they're giving you signals. that they're not gonna complete the contract. And you don't have to wait until the last minute. in order for you to claim breach. In fact, it was also done during one of the Israeli wars. I think it was Egypt. They called it anticipatory self defense. They they looked through the you know the thro the uh binoculars or whatever, and they saw tanks on the horizon. And they're saying, Well We're not gonna wait till they start firing. And the idea was you anticipate, not because you're overly creative with the inevitable, but you're saying, why do I have to wait before I act? Let's go to uh let me see, let's go to Scott in Kentucky. Scott, you're on another side of Midnight with Lionel. Yes, uh good uh morning uh Lionel, thank you for taking my call. Uh I'd like to discuss uh this morning the Epstein files. Uh which which really uh is very troublesome to me and millions of other Americans. Uh you know, the Epstein files proves that all of our congressmen senators and even President Trump and Vice Presidents in my opinion have been extremely compromised that they all have uh they all know uh about certain damage things, many damage damaging things rather. Well because they w will refuse to reveal millions of pages and the upstream files prove there is a claw. Now can I stop you for one second just to cause not to interrupt you. But there may be reason. There may be reasons why this they don't want this to be revealed that none of it has to do with their own complicity, their own um you know, cover up, but there may be other reasons. For example, up to and including there might be something which they might consider to be sensitive. for national security or or they might want to use this information as their own source of blackmail. You know, we're not beyond that ourselves. If I'm the president and I'm saying, guess what I've got right here? I've got to be able we uh in in in I guess supporting of our country, we might be able oh look lo and behold, look who it is. It's um let's say we've got the goods on him, if that's even possible. So what I'm trying to say is There could be reasons that have nothing to do with their own complicity that they don't want to reveal. And also, what do you think are in these files? What do you think? A lot of that, a lot of well, obviously they're very embarrassed, very damaging. I'd like to also say that. Oh c come on. Epstein was a pervert. He he was he he was different issue. No no no no no different issue, different issue. First of all, why do you think that the people who've compiled the files, somebody somewhere had to take these and then before they signed off of them, before they said, Okay, we've collated them, here are the files, how do you know they weren't revised, expirgated, reviewed, edited beforehand? What do you think is in a file? A name and by the way, what if a lot of the people in the files themselves settled, don't want this brought up, are not interested in this? And let me ask you further. If you've got somebody, let's say the biggest name in the world. The biggest let's just assume. Elon Musk, Bill Gates, whatever it is. What do you really think you're gonna be able to do about that? Well, these these are practical considerations. If the world doesn't know it it it it it can't do anything, I'd like to say the upstein files prove there is a vast Jewish plot to control the U S and the world. What the plot how does How does that prove anything? Um Oh yes. What I say Lionel with you, eight hundred eight four eight nine two two two. Let's go back to the phones and back to the fun. Let's go to let me see who's been on let's go to a uh d to Detroit in Queens. Is that it? You're on another side of midnight with Lionel. Yes. Hi good Lionel. Yes. I would just say that this morality And the ethics of whether we should just eliminate down children children from genet from genetic testing and all of that and abortion. There's another issue that we should deal with that's behind it. There's a lot of hostility and prejudice against people born with intellectual disability in this society and in Western society in general. And there's a lot of hatred towards them. And the first people the Nazis went after With those who had an intellectual disability and those who had mental health issues. Well look at the Kennedy. Who was it? Kathleen Kennedy that they lobotomized her because she well they did they didn't know then it was a different time. Uh But she might have been, uh, perhaps maybe not as uh intellectually adept as her others. And she might have been a little um I don't know what the word is r rumors were a little promiscuous. And so they took care of her. The question is simply this, who makes these decisions? I know, that's the question. And also I remembered Sarah Palin where she proudly displayed her daughter born with Down syndrome and she said that when the awful Or or her son and and by the way, thank you for your call. I I I I the rumor has it it was the she she claims it was her son. Other people Trig what was his name? Trig or something? But they some people say no it was actually Her daughter's son, I don't know. But I This is the part, how do you even since since you can abort a fetus for any reason whatsoever? How is it that you can stop somebody by saying, This isn't a good enough of a reason. This is not a valid reason. Let's go to Mark and Upstate Mark, you're on another side of Midnight with Lionel. Yes. Good morning, Lionel. Um use your word. This is fascinating. Uh all your topics tonight. I would just like to uh broach the subject with the morality. I don't have any answer to d determine this, but I've thought about this and I would use as a forerunner or precursor would be um Uh, plastic surgery. Um that started out as somet I mean, that is basically changing what you look like and putting that I'm not I'm not I'm a practicing Catholic but I'm not against science. But I just put all together I think there's going to be It's a it's a slippery slope, but I think it's a natural transgression. Do you see a problem with uh plastic and cosmetic surgery? No, I'm using that as if The way that has changed, uh okay, once that once that that science comes into the picture, of course it's going to go that way. There are some times when I have seen people who suffer from and you've seen these these people when they've had this all the stuffed on these implants and their lips and the visit. It y they they take on a kind of like that Bride of Wildenstein look. This is dysmorphia. And there are doctors who I think are unethical by they should be able to tell people you cannot have any more plastic surgery. You can't do this. But then again if your if your job Oh Mickey Rourke. Uh m Mickey Rourke, Kenny Loggins, Kenny Rogers. Mickey the other there's there was another woman, a very beautiful woman, uh uh um her name escapes me. She was a blonde uh a newscaster. And she uh Anyway, she sh uh But my my point of the Yes. with the technology also uh as we become more secular uh in society, put it all together and I think it's just natural that there's going to be this um the selection process. I don't think you can avoid it, although I I don't you know, I I I think your mother nature analogy is is very right. I I Well I thank you listen, I thank you s I th I I I thank you for your call. If we did not sometimes intervene There would be people who would put this way, intervention also saves lives. And there's something Then I've I I gotta say something about the uh cosmetic and the plastic surgery. Again, nothing that I say ever involves. the government ever coming in and stopping any of this. If you want to have anything done and if you if it makes you feel good and it's, you know one man's mutilation is another man's whatever it was, that's fine. That's that's up to you. But what happens is We don't You know, I don't even know, for example, do they even have boards? that even say, this is your twentieth plastic surgery today, but let me leave you with this before the music starts. What really scared me the most was is when I saw people from teaching hospitals. Pediatric f uh hospitals of renown. who were basically signing off on genital mutilation and and uh and puberty uh blocking and uh uh gender reaffirmation. It made me think, dear God, this can't be. More coming up on the other side of midnight with Lionel 800-848-9-222. More coming up, my friends. Stay tuned. Liner with you, this is uh the No, this is another side of Midnight. I will get that right one of these days. 800-848-9222. eight hundred eight four eight nine two two two. My friends, what a what a veritable uh uh just a a trajectory, a carum of issues from peacocks. And uh Jericho guard birds to the ethical considerations of technology. This is something which I think is so incredible. And I still nobody's answered my question. What happens if we catch one of these critters from another planet, another sp you know, some spaceship What do we do with these people? What do we do? What do we do? Do we keep them? Let them go? You know what they're gonna do. We're gonna say. This is you're too good, too important. And not only that. We don't recognize you as a force or an animal or a U an entity superior to us. We will consider you like we would do. A German Shepherd. Because that's what we do. And more importantly. I gave this initial this story one time, this is how the law always lags behind technology. If you were to create a clone of yourself. By taking a an ovum. human ovum evacuated. Replace it with your DNA, zap it with a good blast of electricity, cause cellular division, a little meiosis here and there to pop up. And then we implant it into a woman. And your clone is born. What is your clone? In reference to you. Is it your son? No, it's you. Now this doesn't make any sense. This is where the law and technology What do you mean it's me? No, it's you. And when you fill out the birth certificate for himself do you say to yourself, Who exactly are the parents of this child. The answer is your parents. So what I'm saying is When you play around with things, when you Play around. Just say for example, if we could ever go back in time. if it's possible to go back in time. Again, whether it's possible or impossible, but just just work with me. And you were to go back and you could theoretically kill people. You could you could kill Hitler. As a child would you do this? Okay, fine. But then you gotta ask yourself, by changing one little it's like the that's like the wings of the butterfly. One little aspect that seemingly sounds like a good idea. What are you doing in terms of changing the course of civilization, the course of history? And what if you went back and killed your parents? Which makes no sense. But what I'm saying is we need to stop with all this talk about UAPs and U We have to ask ourselves, this is is there anybody even kind of minding the shop? as they say. Eight hundred eight four eight nine two two two. Eight hundred eight four eight nine two two two two. Let's go to Allen on Long Island. You're on another side of Midnight with Lionel. Final with subjects you are an intellectual genius. Your epigones are I would say stunted stunted with awareness stunted. Um I just Yes, I find it show fascinating. I love it. I get up early, I have my cup of coffee. And I'm listening to your show before my day starts. It's beautiful. Um the thing is I'm fascinated by people who are fascinated by things that don't exist, like little green Martians and spaceships flying around and the government is hiding them. The government couldn't hide a ham sandwich and you know it from a bunch of IQ creepy low IQ people in the hiding them. Come on, who's hiding them? Obama's hiding them? Come on. Oh Joe Biden. Clint's hiding Obama. Alan, I thank you for your call. Uh, do you remember the fact it was the time of the Manhattan Project It was about a hundred and s sixty fifty thousand people. I mean, th the numbers were incredible. But because it was compartmentalized. No secrets leaked out. During Enigma during the the the code breakers of World War Two. It was a story where Ike walked into a store in and w walked into an office. With the barracks or the office, whatever it was, and said, I will personally shoot anybody who lets any of this information go. Again, it was compartmentalized. There were people who still never told anyone. You don't think people can keep a secret? How did they keep the secret of who killed J F K? Do you know how many nine eleven secret there are? Do you know how many there are? You never found out. So the idea, the very fact that there are not how do I say this, that there are not um any any of this being released goes to show you. And let me also tell you is a very, very simple thing too. Many people believe that the president necessarily enjoys the highest security clearance. That is not true. There are other people who have much higher levels. Dave in nope. Nope. Strike that one there, Jackson strike that one. We don't want that one. Let's go to Benny and Bayside. Benny, you're on another side of midnight with Lionel. Hey, good morning. As far as like um people um um as far as um with changing DNA and stuff like that, um making sure, you know, kids are not born like you know, hey, your baby might be born special needs. You know, you want to avoid it or not. And you were answering the question, well, who should be in charge of that? And a hundred and hundred years ago, evolution was in charge of that. Um again, two hundred years ago What if you made it to seventy five was was amazing. Um again, I I really believe that um you know the the invention of pestil and everything else We advanced our lives faster than evolution could. Meaning the old time. I mean the brain dies before the body dies. Well let me stop you for one second. Evolution would not necessarily improve or would prevent pathology is from happening. Evolution's not gonna do that. Evolution is not going to slow down um infantile or juvenile um leukemia. That's not evolution's not gonna do that. We'll do that. We will do that. But the question is simply let's go do a couple other things. Uh Charlie, let's assume I mean not Charlie, let's assume that we have The technology to make bigger, better, faster, stronger athletes. Tommy John surgery. The question years ago was, should you have there were kids having Tommy John surgery before they even had any symptoms. But they just figure let's go in and let's kinda fortify the the arm now. Is that. ethical. Then PEDs and and um and uh uh uh steroids and other types of you know human growth hormone and Is that in any way, is that legitimate? It's also very, very dangerous. So what happens is we say, well, this is okay and that's all right. The question is when I don't know when we need to kick in. Um Something. Let me give you an example. Here's something nobody thinks of. What if there is a couple? And we know as a matter of fact I don't know of the particular malady, but let's assume there is one. And we say to them, If you have a child If you have a child, there is a one hundred percent chance that your child will have X, whatever the disease or whatever uh uh substance or the the uh um item is. Do you ever see the chance of a government of of government coming in and saying, We're going to sterilize you? What if you have an extremely promiscuous very hyper sexual young man and a young woman who are Each carrying A very serious disease that they will most certainly pass along. and would be unable to take care of the child right now. And you've said, please wear contraception. No. Do you see sterilization ever happening? Remember, this is a person, let's say they've got a supremely limited IQ. I mean really And they're gonna be having more and more children because even though their IQ is one thing, their sexual uh predisposition is another story. Do you see that? How do you how do you how do you How do you uh affect this? If ever we were to harvest organs from the from the condemned watch the death penalty rates go through the roof. You don't think that's possible? Think about this. I I I'm the thing is we don't have anybody who's just Oh, and by the way, why was there never anyone at any of these universities to ask how in the name of God can a seemingly good um University. Something renowned actually sign off on the genital mutilation of children and these incredibly stupid uh programs of uh of uh what's the word. These these programs of, oh I don't know what the word is. Taking children and destroying them. I inadvertently destroyed the code, my friend. Speaking of genetic codes, I destroyed the code. I don't know what it's like. And I and I always say this, by the way, I always use this term. I always ask people. I always say this is important. I'm saying, you know, if there is a God What would God say? What how do we say this? Wha what would God say? It's it's it's it blows my mind. Because the issue is which I find interesting, is how does this work? How do you think this works? And how is it that how do I say this? How is it that we're able to look at all these considerations and not ask a question? I don't know. But I'll tell you one thing which is interesting. We're going to be seeing designer children. We're gonna be seeing designer friends. We're gonna be seeing here's one for you. You are going to be seeing children who are, let's say severely either autistic or on the spectrum, or whatever the particular word is. And they are not going to be able to deal with usual uh relationships. They just won't. So we're gonna be able to come up with a bot or a doll or something that is so good. First it will learn every single thing about your child. Every single thing, every aspect, every shortcoming, every fear. Every habit, every idiosyncrasy, you name it, it will also then be able to give back information which is very, very constructive. And then, believe it or not, it may come to the point where your child or a child says, You know what, I don't even want humans anymore. I like this better. And then the issue's gonna be when it comes to AI, and I promise you this is gonna happen. The Vatican and the Pope and others are gonna be asked the question. Is this considered to be this AI? If it has self-awareness. If it knows what it is, if it knows its name, if it knows its existence, it knows its existence. Can you ever see religion, religious organizations granting some kind of status to them as a quasi Uh How do we say a a a quasi human? And the answer is yes. Don't forget what Saudi Arabia did when they granted citizenship to Sophie the robot. And you're gonna ask, well, what is life? It may not be human. But if it's if it says, hi, my name's Bill Lee and it looks like a it's a bot. But it's aware and it has a sense of humor and it has history. You are not going to believe. Not the future. the next couple of years. Remember I'm telling you this. And it's important and critical that we start thinking about this now. Because believe me, Sam Altman and Elon Musk are not worrying about the the um The mor the moral overtones of this. This is Lionel with you. On another side of midnight. Well alright Citizens of the United States. By the way, the music is just superb Mr. It is eclectic. It is um Recherche. It is it is uh sui generis, incredible. Thank you so much for that. My friends. Imagine the following Imagine If Neanderthal We're still around. Imagine What they would be, they would be the it would be a cast system the lengths of which it would it would put it this way, whatever you think about racism or sexism or whatever it is, nothing would compare to how Neanderthals would be would be treated. And if they ever mated, which some believe they did, with Homo sapiens, oh my God. Now we're getting into really interesting we're talking about something that is fundamentally Physic well maybe not physically, but but uh intellectually inferior to you. I would have loved that. Yes, it's Marietta, Marietta County. I wanted to speak about abortion and uh at the moment of conception we are a single celled human being. Nothing has to be added to us or attracted to us and according to the French geneticists. nineteen eighty nine during the yearn which was documenting before Congress. And the reason for the jobs decision was not because to deny the humanity of the unborn, whatever you call it, zygote, protoplast. Embryo or fetus. It's still human being. The protection of law was taken away from these people because they wanted to satisfy the p the the plaintiff in that matter, and that was uh Norma Jean McCorvey later on, she became pro life. in the road Vay decision. How does that lead up to euthanasia? Very simple. And sin in in this country since nineteen seventy three we have aborted seventy million children. Those children today, some of them would be fifty five years old. and paying into the social security system. They are not. They are deceased. So how to balance the background? Because humanity stop for one second. Stop for one second. Most people would say that out of the seventy million individuals who let's say were murdered, let's just go all the way I think last on my list would be well just think about all the money they could have contributed to our social security coffers. That's that's the least of that. But but it's a good point. It's a good point. But I'm sorry. Dobbs had n is not why that's not why the Dobbs case came about. No, no. It was there because they wanted to do this since this ridiculous privacy consideration from Griswold in nineteen sixty five that a lot of Uh I I think conservative jurists. And and f smart ones said, This is ridiculous. Substantive due process doesn't exist. And by the way, they're also gonna say that there is no constitutional right to sodomy. There is no constitutional right to certain marriages. That may be a little bit more difficult because that's equal protection. But it is something that they were kicking around since nineteen sixty five. When William O Douglas came up with this this monstrosity Fall. Privacy. That's why it was finally overturn. That's all Well, since these people have have been deceased since then in the thought with nineteen sixty five with Gris War Uh Assisted suicide now is in twelve states in the United States, including now Hocal signed the paper for New York State to have assisted suicide in New York. Medical aid in dying it's called. And that's just uh words to fool the people if they wanted to ask, Do you want medical aid in dying when you're very ill? Well most people would say yes because they don't understand the term. But the time if you you closely listen to it, medical aid is dying. I know of a particular case. I know a particular case of a woman who had uh ALS. And towards the end of her life, it was absolutely, positively, one hundred percent incurable and getting worse. She couldn't swallow, she just and she lived in fear, in dread. And what she did was, pursuant to the particular state at the time. she took a a kind of an approved, if you will, a cocktail, so to speak, and she peacefully lapsed into the next realm. I don't s have any problem with that whatsoever. None. Well now you should. Oh I don't. I don't at all. Now that does not mean that with that portion which I may agree with, the potential for I mean just abusing this. And to use things like depression, young people, young people uh using these these nitrogen machines now. Oh, absolutely. It's horrifying. It's ghouling. Oh no no I but but I'm saying curtailed. And there's no reason to commit suicide because you have depression. But could be alleviated. But But depression is not lethal, unfortunately. But if somebody is dying from ALS Oh, that's another story. Oh no, no, no. Absolutely. No no this is debilitating horrible. But we don't want to cure the disease. We want to, this is compassion. And I will tell you right now, and I want everybody listening to me, family and friends, if you see me, I will put it in writing right now. If I get to that point. Take me out. It is my life and I have the ability to leave the movie when I want. Now we can argue all day long about whether I do or not. But I'll be damned. if I'm gonna spend the last moments of my life Coughing, not able to breathe, not able to swallow in No, no, no, no, no. That's me. But I thank you so much for your call. Excell. Appreciate it immensely. eight hundred eight four eight nine two two two. I don't care what anybody says. This is this is just little old me here. I absolutely believe. That you every human being is in charge of their own life. Hundred percent. Now that doesn't mean it it's al it's almost axiomatic because of course it is. Of course you are. And when people say suicide, it's it's horrible. Is it a mental illness? Not necessarily. Not necessarily. People sometimes don't understand how horrible it is. However, put it this way, how how sometimes the uh the the feeling of one to wanting to terminate your life. You know, somebody dec decided or described one time That in some cases the feeling that people have when they want to commit suicide is similar to you to using a terrible analogy. I think I've told you this before. It's similar to you standing, let's say, on one of the towers on nine eleven, and there's fire. And it's coming towards you. at the window and you're waiting and waiting and waiting and pretty soon it's just going to engulf you. So you jump to avoid the fire. It's not that you commit suicide. You you you commit one form of death to avoid another. It's a very, very difficult situation. And I don't want to impede or step on anybody's uh particular uh thoughts or religion. But as far as I'm concerned, oh absolutely. Absolutely. There is no way. There is no way that anybody's gonna sit there and tell me that I have to Just pretend. That as I'm dying and every doctor on the planet says this guy's not gonna make it. It's gotta be horrible. What are we waiting for? What are we doing? We're just accelerating the inevitable. You're on the other side excuse me, another side of Midnightwood Lionel. Oh I know. Uh I watched way recently. And well. Yes. Can you hear me okay? I hear you just fine. Okay. Uh and the name of the play is Your Name Me Dream. And it's about um an AI taking care of an elderly lady. Mm that uh the mother of a son who lived across the United States and didn't have time to take care of her. So he hired this AI. And uh he she took care of the mother. Mm-hmm. And they became at first the the mother was uh We went so, but then they bonded. When the AI showed it out and almost died. But then she came back and the mother got freaked out 'cause they became real close friends. What do you think about that? But at the at the end the mother died from a stroke and so then the A I died. Okay, but what do you think about Somebody who befriends In essence a machine. Well she was thinking about doing that. I'm asking you what you think. Um Well I think they formed a bond and they became really close friends and I don't really think she would do that. Do you think there's anything dangerous about that? Well I mean it was his her companion and she'd be alone and evidently the old son didn't give a crap about her. Okay. So it so it has its benefits. Well I att listen, I thank you for your call. Here's the issue. Here's the issue. Sometimes you don't want to overthink something. If you have if let's assume That this You can call it a robot, but the but this AI device. Let's assume it's really good and it has the ability to inspect The body by virtue of let's say I visual technology and it can tell palor. There was a story about an AI program that can determine coughs. It can hear you cough. And it can tell by virtue of how you cough and the sound of where the cough resonates from. It may be able also to deal with the um the the loss of cognition. It might be able to not ever get tired of providing the right volume, the right delivery, the right presentation, the right um means of of speaking to somebody. Potential for it could be wonderful. Of course, potential could also be problematic. But I see it as being great. Autistic kids sometimes do wonderful with horses. an autistic child might be able to make a breakthrough with an AI bot. I think it's I think the potential is incredible. I think what it's gonna be doing in many respects for kids and other people and especially older people who it can figure out what an older person needs. I have great faith, great uh um uh excitement over what it could represent. But the potential for harm incredible. Jay in Pennsylvania. You're on another side of Midnightwood line up? Hey Lionel. Uh this whole story about you, Janets. Mm um I have an ex wife. whose brother was not autistic, it was something else, I can't remember the name. But it seemed like he was autistic to me. And it caused a great schism in the family. Because Because before he was born they were warned or told that, you know, he was gonna be With whatever defect that was. And the husband was like, I don't think I'll be able to handle this. And the wife was like I can't abort him. and they birthed them and finally the father was just like I can't handle it and my ex wife was the older sister and the mother basically like cut her loose Um I'm not gonna say cut it loose, but she was like, Listen, your brother needs more help. I'm gonna be focusing on him. You're gonna have to figure out life for yourself. And she did. She went to Brew College. She's a brilliant person. But The sun was you know, I told him like eight days out of the year. And I found it totally tolerable. But How he would like cut her clothes. And now the those will close the chair to pay for for itself. And the only way for it to get back at him was to like stab his juice packs. And this lunch box. And It just it caused great damage to the family. The parents ended up divorced. Um the mother what with the kid. And you know, she explained to me when we were getting married that it wasn't a a genetic defect of his past two genes. So we don't necessarily have to worry about that. So w what's the I don't wanna say what's the bottom line, this this this is obviously something that still affects you very deeply, but W what what are you saying? They they should have aborted this the the the the Child of N what, I'm sorry. If somebody knows that they can handle it. Like I cannot handle it emotionally. Then give it up for adoption, one would say. No one's gonna adopt a kid like that. No no. That's not what you said. I'm saying you give it up for adoption and you hope somebody will be able to either adopt or the point is you will be able to absent yourself of the problem which you cannot be able to handle. You haven't aborted it. It's the best situation available. It's not perfect, but you've you've you've abs you've removed the the problem from your life and the child is still alive. Yeah, but you know what, if you give a kid like that up for adoption, it's not gonna be adopted. So wait a minute. This is now you're repeating yourself. So what you're saying is simply this. Are you saying You're not gonna nobody's gonna want this kid. So the ab abortion's a way to go. They what what you're saying is they should have aborted this child, right? Isn't that what you're saying? I'm saying that if you know you're not strong enough To take on the challenge. Let somebody else do it. No one else is gonna do it. You're but you but you're saying that to absolve yourself. There are people constantly there are organizations that say please you put it put it this way. When Children are given up for adoption, whether it's planned or not, or you can call it abandonment. There are facilities it's not perfect, it's not easy. What I'm saying is this. What you're saying is, and tell me if I'm wrong, what you're saying is They really should have ab aborted the child. This is not this was a problem. This was a mistake for them not to do it. And I'm l listen, I'm not I'm not giving you a hard time. I'm I'm just telling you, that's what you're saying. And to prove the point when I say, Well what about aborting uh I mean excuse me, adopt the child, you say, Oh no, no, no, they there there's no adoption. But what you're saying is and you're being very practical, that based upon the totality of all the circumstances, all the facts What it's done that in your mind the the negativity, so to speak, and these are terrible terms, but the downside of this outweighs Whatever the benefits. Now let me ask you this. Were there benefits? Did they love this child? Was there any did he have a person? The mother had to put all her Time and resources in to decide. The mother. to this child is what I'm saying, as a human. You know what? Uh like I always like them, but I only had to spend like eight days looking at it. Listen, I thank you so much, my friend. I I appreciate your calling. Do you I I I I I hope you heard what he was saying. I gave him a number of times to say, you know what, sure. If if somebody can can um um you know a adopt a child, fine, it's not up for me to decide he didn't want that child. Which is fine, by the way, this he's being honest. Listen, I I think sometimes the hardest thing in the world is for people to be honest. And when you're put in that situation, it is tough. I mean, it is tough for you to to uh to figure this life and death and my God, this Solomon esque these decisions. It's brutal. Uh, Joel in California, you're on another side of midnight with Lionel. Uh yes. Good good morning, sir. Um you're a very learned man. Um I'm sure you've heard of the uh the Da Vinci uh surgery machine. Which is a machine that helps the Yeah, it's uh it's a surgical device. It has like five hands and pretty much the uh the doctor sits behind the council and he uses he uses hand movements to conduct uh minimally invasive surgeries. Uh this machine was developed by the same thing. Yes. Yes, sir. Uh uh my question is, and and I know it sounds kinda silly, uh imagine when they apply AI to that thing where uh the doctor decides to make a certain incision and the machine says, No, I'm gonna do it this way. Because right now what I've heard is they're talking about applying AI to that machine. Oh, they have to. Yeah. So I was just curious, uh I mean whether the machine's gonna decide you're not viable or not, or the doctor says, Well maybe we have a chance of saving this person and the machine says, Well no, I mean I don't know. It's it sounds kinda silly. I'm sorry. No way. You bring up a very good point. The question is this In a pr in practical terms, the the machine is not equipped or is not designed or is not in a position to decide who gets the surgery. Once the surgery is agreed. once you say you got this colorectal surgery or whatever then it decides what to do. It doesn't say nope. I'm thinking about this. Now, what's interesting is that AI could work the opposite, for example. Not not so much the surgery, but let's talk about the doctor or or the decision. Let's say you've got a case stage four cancer. Stage four breast cancer. And This time the patient is a ninety three year old woman. who has had cancer before and cancer surgery and she's frail And she's She's not ready to go, but she doesn't want to go through radiation and chemo. And she's ninety three and She's had it before and it's a different consider and she says, You know, all in all, I just I'm gonna just maybe do palliative care, but I don't wanna go through surgery. Now. Let's assume that the machine, so to speak, says, I don't know what you're talking about. Why because the machine doesn't know judgment, compassion. relative minority, situational ethics. Not every case is the same. What if somebody were to say, for example, I have there is a there is a um surgery coming up. And this surgery, let's say, might affect concert violinist and his ability to play. And you was and the machine when I say the machine, the AI says, It doesn't matter. This is life or death. This is stage four. And their human says but quality of life is a different story. Can't take away. What this man who I mean what I'm saying is you and I using plain old clunky um morality kind of weighing the equities, yeah, this but not that. We're better at that. AI can't do that yet. It doesn't feel anything. It doesn't feel true. This is this is my favorite. This is my favorite. In law there is something called the um jury nullification which uh procedure which means that you as a juror can say, you know what This uh case this this woman She had been beaten for years by her husband. She stuck with this son of a gun all his life, their life and their life because of their children. She had limited resources. She needed the insurance for the kids and then one night She's home by herself. He's asleep. And she snaps. If she takes a gun. And kills him. Right to the head. There is no defense. None. There none it's not self defense. It's not maybe insanity, but let's let's make it eas ever uh easy. I as a juror would say, I'm gonna nullify that verdict. This son of a gun d deserved it. I'm sorry, forgive me, God, forgive me Let me sign that verdict right now. Not guilty. That's called nullification. It's what happens all the time. Now An AI juror would say, but there's no excuse. There's no exception. What do you mean he had it coming? Excuse me. I don't understand what had a coming means. I weighed the facts of the case. There is clearly enough they proved the case beyond a reasonable doubt. There's no defense interposed. She didn't come up with any reason why she did this. No. I'm You see, that's where AI can't help you. It doesn't know what to do. Imagine an AI maybe one day doing hostage negotiation. It may be able to do some things where it can understand Behavior. Probably better maybe than you, but it can't make decisions based on judgment. By the way, last piece. How old are you? Uh I'm I'm gonna turn s sir, I'm I'm about to turn sixty here in twelve days. Let me tell you something. Happy birthday. Here's what's interesting. Thank you so much. A while back a while back there was a study that uh I thought was interesting. They looked at w what young people are good at. Young people were really good in terms of uh th speed, kind of like whack-a-mole type of dexterity where they have to do something very, very quickly. They're really good at that. Better than us old. I'll be sixty eight in August. So I'm a codger. I'm a coot. I'm wizened, hobbled by decrepitude. I'm a dotard. So anyway so make a long story short, I thought, okay But let me tell you where we did better. W if you give older people two pictures and you say, which one's different? How are they different? We immediately say, Well, the vase is missing or the vase. Uh the pictures over here. Remember at Highlights Magazine when you go to a doctor, they had these stupid highlights magazine and you were. Okay, in the back. In the back they had the two pictures. Which one was different? And what happens is, what do you call being able to discern between two different situations? It's called judgment. This case will give you this result. This case will give you this. Young people don't see that. So what I'm saying is, an AI is AI going to err on the side of the older folks who understand differences, but being able to rule to ex to interpolate, extrapolate to infer or is it just gonna answer the question. Joel, I thank you for your call. That's the part that I think is the most interesting. And I think AI ultimately is going to change the world. However. However With that ability to change the world is the ability to destroy it. Like any good invention, whether it's uh You know, atomic energy came the potential to blow the world up. Um I'm sure that somebody had somebody said, Hey, I just came up with this idea. I took metal, I forged it, I sharpened the edge, I call it a knife. We can use it to hunt, to skin, to cook, to prepare food. Look, would you like to see it? And I'm sure the person was stabbed immediately thereafter. By the design by the machine or the instrument he was so proud of. That's life. Ask Alfred Nobel about dynamite. That's life. But the question is, because we're humans, we must consider the equities involved in this. way to weigh the morality. This is Lionel with you on another side of Midnight. Mary's and the Markey's. their album their cover are calms. I think this was their second album. that kind of a greenish hue. I love the monkeys. Interesting story about that, by the way, I think. Don Kirshner. Uh good end, I like that very smooth. Don Kirschner, uh Created the monkeys. And Mike Nesmith drove him crazy. Peter Tork drove them crazy because they wanted to write music. And Mike Nesmith, by the way, the first national band, Mike Nesmith was very I know his mother invented liquid paper, which people don't even know what that Try explaining liquid paper to some Gen Zier. In any event So he was a pain in the neck and John Kirshner said, Would you shut up? I don't want you to write songs. Just stand there and pretend you I've got the wrecking crew to do the music. Same thing with the Peter Torque who was in the village. He was a real you know, jug band uh You know, blue grey. Anyway. So he said, All right, fine, fine, fine. So Don Kirshner said, You know what? I'm gonna leave you, people and I'm gonna come up with my own thing, and he came up with the Archies. And the Archies never played back Yeah, there was Andy Kim and somebody else. But they never They never wanted to be seen. They never complained. He didn't want this human intervention of these. He didn't care for them. By the way, I gotta tell you the story. I love when younger folks sometimes you know from people in our generation We'll tell them things that they particularly didn't know about. And one of 'em was some somebody said, Hey, I'm gonna C C you. I said, Oh, you're gonna C C I said, interesting. I said, Do you know what C C means? And this younger person said, Uh To me they're all Gen Z. I have no idea if it's technically Gen Z. Anyway, she said, um yeah, that's when I I send you a copy. I said, No no no no. You know what C C stands for. He said, it's it's carbon copy. And the look was like, uhhuh. What the hell is a carbon copy? Well, before it we we would have a piece of carbon paper that we would slide between two pieces of paper. And that the first one would pass through as it was hit with the the element of the typewriter, it would hit this this kind of like this and I explained the whole process like, oh okay. And they're looking at me like, who is this dinosaur? I said well it's very interesting is that when I was younger, uh my friends and I amused ourselves by snorting Um Mimeo paper or you know, that that that uh mimeograph stuff. We just love the smell of it. Another one I said was to a I thought this was interesting to a younger person that said, you know, I don't want to sound like a broken record. And I got that look. I said, you don't know what that means, do you? I said, no, you're right. Why would you know this? I said, what do you think a broken record means? And she said, Oh, that's when you when you're successful and you break the record. I said, Oh, I said, interesting. No. No, that's not it, but that's that's close. And I explained it about the needle being stuck. So it's it's fascinating. The bottom line is the concept they knew, of course. But the way that we the idiomatic expression that we use is a different story. This might have been one of the most important shows ever. because it introduces something called ethics and morality. And I know ethics and morality have no place on talk radio, but they should. And even if I'm not suggesting we're able to to solve the issue necessarily one hundred percent of the time. I think though, I think that what it is I think that what's important is that we're able to be able to say these are the considerations. These are the things you're going to have to think about. And even if you don't come up with the exact answer, at least you care about that. And let me tell you something, AI is going to change your life. You are going to curse it and you're going to love it, depending upon if you're the recipient of its genius or not. Well, Mr. Jacks and Mr. Lee, thank you so much. You were incredible. The best in the business. I thank you so much for your assistance. And thank you, dear friends, for listening. Tune in next week, same bad time, same bad channel. This is Lionel with you on another side of Midnight reminding you the monkey's dead. The show's over sue ya. Stage in the world, FanDuel's changing the game because sometimes your play gets subbed off and your bet goes with them. Not anymore. 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