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I will trust you on maths m in the Saman, if nothing else We are here slightly later than promise because Helen, when we last spoke to plan the show, you sounded in your own words, like Mad Bishop. Yeah, and it is a classic sound, but it's not ideal for podcasting. I've had laryingiters for the past month Oh I know. Katie has been in touch To say, I started church bell ringing three years ago and I love it. Nice I nice. Oh, you like this, do you? You like this fucked out Larynx. You like the itis. I've managed to get good enough, she says, to ring several court appeals over the last year O, I don't know what that means, but that sounds cool. From context, it's like running a ten K in the bell peeling world. O. She says that's ringing one thousand two hundred and sixty changes O six or eight bells in a particular order or method, usually for around forty five minutes without stopping Jesus. forty five minutes. Intense. That's a whole episode of twenty four Imagine Jack Powower just doing that for forty five minutes. It would be even more exhausting than him running around, killing eight hundred people and never eating, sleeping or shitting. As I'm a fairly new ringer, she says, I get very nervous on the lead up to these quarters, and I don't want to let everyone down by messing up won't. Try and remember, Katie that everyone else hearing the bells has no idea what it's supposed to sound like I grew up with a church like in my garden virtually and I can't tell you what a good peeel sounds like She says, I wear an Apple watch which can monitor my heart rate and I can see graphically that my heart rate increases to a very high level and is sustained for the duration of the performance Even though I'm standing still and only moving my arms, I'm not out of breath. So Helen, answer me this Is forty five minutes ringing with an average heart rate of one hundred and forty five BPM doing good things for my health like running a five K, or is it bad as it's anxiety and stress? It's not the same as anxiety and stress, not all elevated ulse is that? I guess she's tied it in with the nerves that she's feeling and jump to that conclusion. She's attached a screenshot of her court appeal Mhm And yeah, she spent twenty eight minutes in zone three for those of you who are used to looking at such things. Yeah, that's between one hundred and thirty nine and one hundred and forty nine BPM Can I say that bell ringing is legitimate exercise or even laughing to like Rry emoji a sport? Let's not get into what is a sport because Tedious Yes to exercise. and in fact there's quite a lot of organisations that are pushing bell ringing as an activity for all ages as a fitness thing. I don't think it's one for me because of my dislocating shoulder. That's fair, but it does have health benefits such as cardiovascular ones and muscle endurance, agility, coordination, balance and reaction time. So all good stuff. And I did find that a decade ago there was a movement to try to get it recognised as a sport But some church people did not want that. Oh right, really. I think they thought it distracted from the intent. Yes. Takes from the spiritual. And then there was a high court case that decided it wasn't a sport because it didn't require enough quote physical training That surprises me because I heard that Balwin is very popular in the legal profession Apparently a court peeal has courutter peeal. Get out I'm very keen on incidental exercise. The last time I knowingly got my heart rate up because I felt bit quizzy afterwards when I wasn't expecting to was when I had to replug in my Skybox after the cleaner had taken the lead out of the back. Oh my Godd, Practically an Olympian. Hello, Helen and Ollie. It's Jim from Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada and I saw a post on Reddit yesterday asking about ation of my city which is Reina, R E G I N A at rhymes part of the female anatomy, which some people make fun of and Jagger famously said when the Rolling Stones came here to perform Many years ago, we said it's a city that rhymes with fun But why don't we say Regina way so many people would pr out That word. Why is it Reina told that that's how it was pronounced in Victoria, England When my city was named in the eighteen eighties Can you help me solve this mystery You answered it yourself, Jim Because in eighteen eighties in Britain, they said Reina, And that was the official title of Queen Victoria and they were naming Regina after her because she was The cololonial Queen of Canada. didn't want to offend her by mispronouncing it The way that she pronounced it. Did they pronounce vagina, v Vgina then? They would never say vagina. That's true. they actually wouldn't, wouldn' they? Like even a doctor would say lady parts. they wouldn't even refer to it. The Victorians, they were sometimes called genitals like really weird stuff like limbs so that they could avoid Acknowledging the existence of the pelvis. Like the word limbs or like arms and legs the word limb At school, In the eighties and nineties, I had pretty prudish teachers who would say regganar presumably to swerve all of this Diculty They must have only done that if there was some Latin based legitimacy, Helen, you went to a good school? They wouldn't just make it up. Of course they would. Just through Britishness. You know, they're extremely repressed people where like they would Cck that your skirt length was two inches above the knee when kneeling. There was one teacher who wouldn't let you eat an uncut banana Okay, this is maybe a more interesting question, but what What did teachers at nineteen eighty's private schools in Tumbridge Wells call a foof, then We did not talk about that It must have come up. No Even in biology Im in No. Punge. Sex in the eighties was bad man Yeah, we didn't have sex in the eighties. In the nineties there was like a lesson about contraception and theyve really managed to avoid the vocabulary as much as possible and the end fell off theermidom when that was being demonstrated. You know, it's a wonder that I was as successful with contraception as I have been, but I think it's due to self education I prefer the prior name that Regina had which was Pile of bones For the Canadian city For the Canadian city That is atmospheric Pyla Bens, was that like liter what it was called or is that a translation of an indigenous name It's a translation of the indigenous word for the place. It was where there would be piles of bison bones. Reina the word When you said it was applied to Victoria What does it actually mean? Like I sort't know the context. It means queen just means queen. It's like Tyrnosaurus Rex, Victoria Regina. Rex is the king, and well Reganar is we were taught to decline it quQueen. Right, o. Reenar. Christine from Richmond, California wrote to us ahead of Christmas. This was a sort of festive question Sorry, I ruined that you know Like all Christmas traditions, it will come aroundound again she says, I'm in the midst of my holiday baking A crowd favourite every year is chess cake, a treat my mum would make often when I was growing up Yeah Here's the recipe Mix one yellow cake mix, one stick, four ounces of softened butter, and one egg together, pat into a nine by thirteen inch pan Mix eight ounces of softened cream cheese, one egg and one pound powdered sugar together and pour over base Bake for thirty minutes at three hundred and fifty degreree Fahrenheit, what's that Helen in English? That's like one hundred and eighty Celsius. That one hundred and eighty, yeah. Cool before cutting I'm assuming she says this is a post World War twoI era recipe since it uses a packaged cake mix, but Helen answks me this. Why is it called chess cake U. Oh, that's a festive noise, isn't it? You know these things' so glad you asked. It's going to be interesting and it isn't. So prepare for the sweet taste of disappointment. Like I imagine I would if I ate chesscake, it sounds not thatwhelming. It doesn't sound like it's for me because Where is the flavor I don't want to yk Christine's annual yum The boring but most probable explanation for the name is it is a riff on pronouncing the word cheese because it has cream cheese in it. But also the name goes back to before the fixing of spelling, because this cake or pie It also appears in pi form has been mentioned in textual form from the sixteenth century. This doesn't sound like a boring answer, Ellen. sounds like a fun answer. It's not great. That's as good as it gets. So at that time, it was often speelt cheheesecake as in C H E S C A K E. The long or short E hadn't really been consistently indicated yet by like a double S or like an E after the S Double letter But then those recipes often didn't contain cheese. so I don't know. And then the rumors are that it's an abbreviation of Chestnuts because they used chestnut flour maybe. or I hate this one. It's an abbreviation of It's just pie. What? I'm not going to do the accent that would make that work and also don't waste our time with that shit. It is just pie. What It's just She's getting closer to doing the accent. It has other names that are also amazing, including vinegar pie. Oh Godd, that sounds like something you'd have in prison. And transparent pie. I love it. I would be so fucking disappointed as a kid if someone offered me transparent pie and it was just a normal cake and it was in any way opaque. yeah. Yeah, Afraid so. this is an opaque cake.aque cake Another question of festive foods from Rast lover, who says, whilst ingredient shopping for roast dinner, I noticed the huge section of jars of goose fat intended for the perfect crisp and fluffy roast potato This got me wondering. Inspiration really is everywhere, isn't it? listeners? Exactly I don't hear that much about geese on farms But there must be huge numbers to be feeding our insatiable appetite for delicious roasties. I don't ever see pre roasted geese for sale nor any other goose buy products. Ollli answers me this, Where are they hiding all of these geese? How do they get the fat out? and what happens to the rest of the goose Poland is where most geese farming happens in Europe, but if you are at all concerned that the goose may have been raised for foie gras Then if you avoid geese that originated in France, Bpain, Bulgaria and Hungary, since those countries export Foigres, you're more like to avoid that practice. Poland Goose is popular as a meat So there's loads of it You think how much goose product there is actually, you say you don't see it around Feather down pillows, duvets, et cceter. Coats Exactly. That's all from Poland, basically. So there's like a massive goose industry there. Can they use the the meat of the geese that they kill for the down Or is it like separate I think it is from the same farm But I don't know if they're bred differently because obviously if you're breeding nice feathers. I imagine the premium feathers aren't the ones that you get goosefet from, but who knows Rose Lo is saying, how do they get the fact Oviously you can cook it if you're making like pet food, for example, and then some fat will drip off and you cook it that way. The rendering of the goose fat is an essential part of goose cooking The bird shrinks so much when you're roasting a goose And there's not that much meat on a goose either. It's like All the fat and then a huge cavity inside its ribcaage. There's so much fat on the goose anyway, it's a fatty bird that actually probably most of the fact that you're buying as a pre siphed off Jar of fad has literally just been taken off the organs, like you can see it. There's loads of fat. You don't need to collect it. You can just rip it off and that's a separate product. they can like peel off, I think chunks of it and then they render the rest off. And again, it's about premium versus, you know, cheaper, isn't it? as much as anything? Like there's lots of people that want to cook in in Goosepat, but people do eat he's in Britain, you know Yes, Grooge I think we've covered the Christmas meats before on the show and I seem to remember that Turkey was like a nineteenth century fashion and it was so expensive. So it was a real aristrat thing, whereas goose was was more accessible and therefore for the commoners. And so that's how that trend got tweaked There was a period in my life where I had to eat a lot of goose. Right. Wh? It was when I used to work at our college, including during student vacations when conferences would come into college. so I remember you did a great side hustle in Sardonic waitress. I remember well. Well, no, that was during term time. and that was easy because you know, that was students just getting slops slammed down in front of them. But in the holidays when you were off doing fun shit I would by day work in the Porter's lodge and by night do cilil service and then bar Before we had to serve the civil serervice dinners, we got fed yesterday's dinner cold, all the staff. Okay. And there was so much savory mousse And so much cold goose. right So much tough old goose. Goo Goose went hot and recently roasted fine. Goose after a day just leathering up. Yeah less luxuryious. It's interesting though, isn't it that an Oxbridge Coege would go for goose for their sort of didders because In the holidays, the people that are paying to go to those things are going for the name of the institution onn' there. They could have had their do anywhere, but they've had it there. because of the prestige. Let me tell you what else they were going for, Ollie. They were more deaortched than the students, according to the people who had to clean up. They were like, the students are okay. These people are scum. They are going to do some extramarital fucking and to drink all night because the bar was private. It didn't have to obey licensing hours. It would stay open as long as they were paying I've heard MBAs are like a hotbed of middle aged affairs. Really? That's why people do MBAs generally like, oh fuck, I've done the same job for thirty years I need a challenge in my life, you know, my work life, but actually you don't realize until you go for these weekends away that really what you want is to fuck someone who isn't your husband or wife And it happens constantly. Wow, that's what they're doing on the goose. They have the goose and they all go and fuck each other. The goose gives them the protein injection for a pre picnight. NBA stands for middle aged Business adultery. That is a thing people say isn't it? Is it? It something very similar. Yeah. No one's ever said that phrase before really. I think they say something like marriage, breakdown holes Accelerant. That is what they say Marriage breakdown accelerant. I have made that up. Yeah. Okay. So you were close. If you've got a question I about your question? Yay er me this mon. St Sly is not last me is one because Ga. S isasta Your summer weekends fill up fast, but Crocx has your back. Road trips, beach days, last minute getaways, whatever's on the agenda, swing by your local store and find your new goat too. Try it, style it, make it yours. becausecause the right pair doesn't just show up. it shows off Wockk out ready for whatever's next. Visit your nearest crox store today I get so many headaches every month It could be chronic migraine, fifteen or more headache days a month, each lasting four hours or more Botox Autobotainum tooxin A prevents headaches in adults with chronic migraine. 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Ask your doctor, visit Botoxchronicmigraine. com or call one eight hundred four four Botox to learn more Here's a question from Mark, who says I met my boyfriend seven years ago and a year or so into our relationship He was in a miserable marketing job he hated, but couldn't leave because they were sponsoring his visa. out Yeah. I told him I didn't believe in marriage. I've never wanted to get married, and I think it's a stupid institution. Reasonable more power to people who want to do it. It's al right, Mark, you don't have to give us up to us. By the time Martin and I got married, I was also anti marriage but thought I should go through with it It wasn't Martin's fault And I didn't even consider doing it until my wife said, We've got a child, I'd feel more comfortable if we're married. Can we do that? Romance become. That's true. It was a shock twist when Ollie Mann got married after being vocally anti married in the answ M this Back catalogue available on the Patreonaur soundpack So slick at this. Well, I don't mind being married. I actually quite like it. be the voice of Dsenter And like I said, Martin, what told me against marriage wasn't you? and it is quite convenient for various things But Mark continues. I said though, I would marry him for the visa as long as we could get divorced when he got indefinite leave to remain. Honestly, I love that I think that's beautiful Our friend Morgan's parents, I think were compelled by their parents to get married when they didn't really want to when they were like seventeen and nineteen. Yes, yeah sure. We used to be a much more common experience than it is now. And so when they could, they got divorced but stayed together because they wanted to be together and they had been forced to get married and I thought that is cool as hell Yeah, that's very interesting. Have they ever wanted to get married again No, they're both dead now so it's T light? We had the cheapest ceremony, he says, at Souwk Town Hall. withith two friends Where I cried despite just reading out standard lines about not committing perjury. A, I mean, perjury does carry a heavy sentence, so you know, it is emotional. And also you were committing perjury. so that might be why you were cryed. It might not be the emotion at all. I mean, you have forwarded us your email and confessed to a crime. But it's not really a crime, Like they are in a relationship and they're getting married and they're taking advantage of. a magistrate that you are telling the truth. I okay yes they are in a relationship That's tr But you're swearing that you're not doing it for a visa and he was. The system allows itself to be taken advantage of in this way, and therefore I don't mind that people do it. we must have borders. Well, exactly. I have friends who like Olly Man were very anti marriage and then in recent years have got married or civil partnered because of like practical things like they've got a house or children and just the drudgery of reality And even they were kind of moved doing it, but I'm not sure it's moved by the fact that they were joining an institution that they had previously on principle rejected. I think it's more like when you concentrate on a relationship that you've been in long enough to not necessarily like think about it as its own thing that you're opting into rather than just carrying on. I think that can be emotional. and it doesn't mean that you're glad to be married Mark Yeah, But it is sweet I think it's sweet that you cried about perjury. H you Yes, you're right. It's the focus on your relationship in a public setting, even in front of two other people. It's still something that might move you. We also, he says, managed to get the fee refunded as they were really late because they thought, quote, the bride hasn't arrived when we two men. Oh God, they deserve to be sued I sent them a letter with the subject line O spepecial day ruined and said, donon't fire anyone, but maybe just don't assume it's a man and a woman getting married in the future. Yeah, good for you. that's awful. Anyway, he says, lastast year, my boyfriend was eligible for ILR indefinitely to remain. wasn't applying M We went for a walk and I asked why, saying I wanted to get on with the divorce He started crying and said His mum wouldn't understand if we divorced I said Fine, we can stay married then. Gather romance, isn't it? Overwhelming. Beautiful. Well, Mark is making a significant compromise for someone that he loves and that is romantic. M even though may tease. He's made the compromise though. He's just not unwinding the compromise. It doesn't really make a difference. It's just an agreement from before they made to the compromise. The compromise has been made. He's making the other compromise of not getting the divorce that he's been looking forward to for ages. U hereere's the dilemma, he says. O. My family don't know we are married Twist So I said we'd have to have a wedding party. Oh shit, I mean, that really is a twist given what you've said about marriage up until now markark We have now planned that wedding and invited everyone for meate. Mark, you're full of surprises. Everyone knows we are already married apart from my parents. We've told them We did the legal bit some time ago So they know that the celebrant will just be doing a celebration rather than a legal ceremony I thought I should tell my parents but now feel like they would be really hurt But I'm also worried Someone will let slip on the day that we are already married. Yes, I imagine that would be the content of every speech. So Hen, answer me this. What should I do Hm, I think the least worst option would be to casually tell your parents what you told everyone else which is that the legal bit had to happen before for logistical reasons But the meaningful part is the wedding wedding you're now having And if someone does let something slip, who are they going to believe? you or a person they just met at your wedding? although if people are making speeches, you should prime them not to mention. that you're already married. Yeah, exactly. This befell some friends of mine. They moved from Britain to another country where one of them had a job and they'd been together a really long time and Getting engaged was for love, but getting married was so that the one who didn't have the job visa for their country could stay And They didn't tell their families for five years. It wasn't deliberate. I think they were just like, we don't want to like tell one set of parents when we see them because we live on a different continent. it feels like we should tell them closer together and blah blah blah, and then five years passed I mean, you I mean, in truth, probably if you were going to feel like this, you probably should have told your parents about the whole scheme from the beginning becausecause you've explained it to us in three paragraphs. Yeah, but it doesn't mean anything to us whether Mark is married or not, and it clearly means something to other people around Mark that it doesn't mean to Mark hence Mark's question. It does mean something to him that he wants a divorce and doesn't want to be married. Yeah, but then it's like He's agreed not to get the divorce and instead is having an actual wedding which is a shock. I mean, anyway, what's the use of me saying you should have told your parents? I think you should have told your parents, but that's gone. So given the options that you have now just go the extra step and tell them a version of this story. I mean, you've just managed to tell thousands of people you don't know through the Media Police podcast. Yeah. and also all weddings are a kind of performance and I've been at lots where it hasn't been the legal bit. so the ceremony has been parade of some concoction of the couples. So that part doesn't seem that unusual to me. No, exactly. I mean it' one of the reasons, by the way that I got married in Gibraltar in the end rather than Marbella, which is where we wanted to get married. Oh was because for us it was important we had such a small number of guests, really just like the same school friends we'd all had together since we were ten and our parents I thought if we're doing this thing with such a small roster of guests and it's so intimate and it's really about saying, comeome on honeymoon with us, then I want them to see the real thing. And in Marbaya, in Spain, we couldn't let them see the real thing. We had to go to a British registry office first. Oh and then have a fake thing And actually it's funny, isn' it? L lots of people L lots of Brits do that. They go to Gibral to get the wedding certificate and they have a big party in Mara with a hundred people. And that's fine But it's just the fact that because there weren't a hundred people there. It wasn't a big party. I just thought, if everyone's coming, they should feel very intimate like they're part of seeing the real thing Whereas other couples just don't care about that. don't care whether it's the real thing or not, and that's legit. L that's about how you feel. Do you think that If the issue is that Mark's parents will think that the legal bit of wedding was more important than Mark thought it was Would it be nice to like sit with them and say, here's a photo of when we did the legal bit, which to me felt more like just a formality, some logistics, but I thought maybe you'd like to see Or just you could milk the fact that the venue messed it up and say you know, it wass always kind of a difficult day to remember because of this homophobic mistake they made. So it wasn't something that I wanted to be my overriding feeling of being married to my partner. Yes. You know, could you just use that since you've got it I mean, you've got the documented evidence sure But the fact is, this is the kind of thing that upsets people as do so many things about weddings and you don't get to control it. L they're going to be pissed off if they want to be pissed off. Yeah That's true. I suppose the important thing is if you are prioritising them this time round, there's less for them to complain about Oh yeah. if they are right next to you as this thing happens, whatever this ceremony actually is with the celebrants if they're there then I think it's difficult for them to say they haven't been included in the past becausecauseuse that's not really relevant because they're being included now. Okay I like the fact that this is ending on what feels like a positive love story. I mean, given it's an email that's full of such cold disregard for the institution of marriage. It's certainly not written in a way that suggests that this is something that Mark is heavily invested in, but then to go through having a wedding when you didn't need to is again, a big act of love of a kind. I mean exactly. You've confused me, Mark. What is it that you want? What is it that's important to you? It's none of my business It's effectively a renewal of your vows, isn't it? seeven years later? yeah Oh, that's sweet. Yeah. I mean that is the length of time where you should like check over a contract and see if you still want to be ensanred in it Yeah, you've got tax records, you can destroy seven years later,'t you Apart from ones who block me because they're jealous 'cause their babies are so ugly. Well why not build a gallery of your kid on Squarespace with special pages for its cute feet and cute hands and cute face so my Facebook feed won't have your kid all over the place He looks like a scrotum Thank you very much to Squarespace for sponsoring Asw Me this and for being our one stop shop for building our websites, you know designing them with the award winningly designed templates that Squarespace offers, larding them with all the tools and features one needs, and then running them. Here is a great thing that I enjoyed over the Christmas holidays. 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And I've noticed that they always scen to be holding Giant Coffee cup It seems any American celebrity out and about on Fot always holding an enormous takeway beverage. in a non reusable cup What is that about Is that some sort of signal? Signal to what? The fucking illumini. What are you talking about or are they genuinely Always ocking down gallons of Frappuccinos. The celebrities drink Fluid. I think she means in the context of pap shouts that there is a kind of coded meaning to them. when they're staged. Is it spawn? Yeah. Well. sometimes it is spawn ye. Eactly. B Affleck and Duncan becoming his whole like Super Bowl, Duncan campaign Well, we'll get to that because that is a very specific example, yeah evenven if it's not spob If it's complicit, let's say, like either the celebrities people have told the PAaps that's where they'll be to organize the shot. Or the celebrity sees the Papsa there and deliberately decides to stage a certain type of shot because they know it's more likely to get published In those circumstances, there is certain coding to coffee. So one thing, for example, in LA, which is often where this is, it's iced coffee Obviously that's because of the climate, but also because it takes longer to sip so the peraps have longer to take their shot and get a good shot of you. You know what, I think it's them trying to also code that, hey, look at me, I'm normal drinking a drink, the peasants drink, not just peacock milk for me. That's yeah totally. but also the publishers are more likely to publish it if it looks like you're living your day to day life because then you can come back the next day with a different look Come out the next day wearing a gold chain and it's a different set of photos. It looks like a photo that was snapped on a random day rather than you are at the red carpet premiere of your film, which can only be used once. Intersecting with Martin's suspicion of spawn, which I think is sometimes the case I read an intriguing theory that sometimes celebrities need to show something off like jewelry, like rings and watches Because the hand is on display or a maniquer. Yeah or, they're on loan. I mean, it might not even be that they're getting paid. They might be getting paid in the item itself. You have to be out wearing your roolex in three different places. Yeah I think if you' calling the Pps on yourself, which so many of them do Calling them to a random chain coffee place is kind of a smart move because it means pllaces that you are regularly like your house or your children's school are not depicted Brentwood Starbucks or whatever is relatively neutral. I think also sometimes these people are on set Like they are filming, but in places where randoms and paparazzi can take pictures of them and it's production assistants going on a coffee run Yes. and putting a coffee in a celeb's hand. There are other reasons, so you're less likely to be standing on private property if you're the outside a coffee shop, you're like to be on a sidewalk So there's legal missions issues. you understand there exactly And you can argue afterwards, well, why did they come to Starbucks? They could have sent their assistant. So it's fair game. You know, there's that as well You know, celebs, they're just like us in that sometimes they probably just really need the toilet and then they have to buy a coffee as toilet payment True Otherwise, the story is, oh, Piers Brosnan came to my Dunkin Duts and he didn't even buy a donoughnut. just went for a dump. Dumpin' donoughuts more like. So the Ben Affleck example that you mentioned and that I parked, I just think it's worth returning to in more detail because I did find that fascinating D you fascinating? He's a Massachusetts guy, so he genuinely likes Dunkin' Donuts coffee. I love that you still can't pronounce Massachusetts, even though you've been there multiple times. What did I say Massachusetts Massachusetts Does' say that now. Massachusetts I think that in my mind, that's what I said. But anyway He's a Machter I can't say it now. He's from the greater Boston area. There you go He likes coffee, right from Dunkie Donut. We don't even know if he likes it because he always looks so doleful. But He does like it. He moves to the West cooast and sought it out when Dunkin Donuts came to the West Coast and was genuinely papped outside Dunkin Duts because he was hot then And he even like put his hand in front of his face, like, D don't pat me, I'm just getting a coffee, you bastard. And then became a meme which then involved in the end him getting paid to be fronting the Dunkin commercial campaign, like in the Super Bowl and stuff Do you think any Oscar winner has ever spawned as many memes as Ben Affleck lookingndignified in pap shots of him smoking or taking in his post. that was also a meme as well of him like trying to pick up too much post at once. This guy has a lot of advantages particularly financial ones And he does not seem to have his shit together. Here is another question of entertainment from Ewan in Dorking, who says I was just watching Have I G News for you. Don't get attached to that. That is not relevant to youne's question and noticed a clip featuring the Wambles. Oh no Given your track record of covering bizarre elements of British culture, Ali answers me this What animal presumably a rodent Are the wombles And what's the point of them? Like what are they? I remember them as a minor footnote of my childhood a bit like Mr. Blobby, but I'm not sure what or why they are other than being from Wimbledon Commons I just want to investigate first of all that oh no, Martin. What's the problem with the Wombles I have no problem with womombullles. I just know you are heavily invested in the Wumbles. No, I'm not. that we're in for a ride. Isn't it a Mike Bat joint? Yeah, exactly. Ollie's heavily invested in Mike Batmart and not heavily. Buty do you remember you were Wombble Yes. Oh, okay. Right But it's not hunting of the snu. That's the thing all he cares about. That kind of connection hasnt hasn't transferred a womumble Mia to you. It hasn't. Okay, that's good. Cry on, carry on I understand why he says are they Rdents becausecause the nineteen seventies TV version of the Wombs with the theme song by Mike Bat, thank you Martin. Yes with the Design created by Iva Wood That is why people think they're sort of rodent to Jason. They do have snouts. They do look a bit rodenty, ye. but actually that was for Telly. So the book that the Wombles are based on was published in november nineteen sixty eight And here's a quote from the Times' review of that book quote In the Wumbles, Elizabeth Beereresford, more of her in a moment Dreams up a group of subterranean bear like creatures. Oh, who frequent commons, eh When was this was being gay legal yet? U Just ye. I mean, well, that era, nineteen sixty eight. yeah. W yeah just, I think sixty seven in Britain was it whose existence depends like that of the borrowers upon the untidiness of human beings, the walkers, picnickiers and children on Wimbledon Commons. And I found the original book cover And they do look more like teddy bears. They walk on their hind legs I'm looking at the book, they look like Teddy bears that add dressed as Carol singers. Yes, exactly So it is the TV version that makes you think rodent. The original vision was more like Teddy Bearss. And yes, they live on Wimbledon Common. they clean up people's rubbish And the idea for the Wambles came to Elizabeth Bereresford when she was walking on Wimbledon Common with her two children on boxing Day nineteen sixty six. herer daughter Kate said words to the effect of Isn't it great on Wambledon Common? I presume she was like five or something It became a family joke Wumbledon And as it happened, she was a children's author. She'd just been commissioned to come up with arival to Paddington because Paddington was to published. And it was like the big publishing hit of the year. So they were like, canan you do a Paddington type thing? And it just clicked. Wambledon. Hish. And she said afterwards, she admitted afterwards that it might be that like in the back of the recess of her mind, she had heard there was a World War one marching song called From Wimbledon to Wambledton So that may it may have triggered that in her mind. Yeah. Wambbleledton is in Yorkshire, so quite a away from Wimbledon. And she thought, rightight, the Wambles of Wambbleton an And then she create these little creatures that clean up after everyone based on her family traits. It's a bit like Matt Graining with the Simpsons. She took elements of her family and turned them into onebles. Yeah, herer family very tidy. Well, her family were into progressive ideas. So the environmentalism may have come from her father, the novelist JD Bereisford H Quite progressive for the nineteen forties. He was intoort vegetarianism and pacivism and stuff like that That's the origins of it. Here's another showbiz question from someone who says I would like to remain anonymous or call me Greg. Oie do you prefer to call this person anonymous or Greg Greg And obviously I'm thinking of cousin Greg from Sccession now. Oh no I was thinking of old Greg from Very different Greg's, I'd say. Greg says, I may or may not have been asked to appear on a popular television quiz show this year. I won't say which show it is, so I'll cut to H The chase. It's obviously pointless Yeah It has got me thinking about outfits on TV for the general public. I know you aren't supposed to wear tight patterns, ye for the strobing, branded products, etcetera. Yeah Bal Clava's not supposed to wear one of those. And it should probably be at least something presentable. That's such a mum term, isn't it? wanting to look presentable. So Ollie, please answer me this. What do you think is the most outlandish but borderline acceptable attire I could turn up to a day of filming wearing I'd probably assume any extreme level fancy dress is out of the question But just how far do you think I could push it and still be deemed TV ready and broadcastable? I think the fact that you've given us that hint as to what show it is is informing my answer. Like in the abstract, you know, what's the most outrageous thing you can wear It's different, but the thing about the chase is and by the way I've never really seen it, but I get the vibe and it's often about the vibe on tell, isn't it I would call it the sort of Ron Jeremy factor, right? You should dress as Ron Jeremy? I don know In the sense the audience, the audience are playing along, right? as you. You are the cypher for them when they're watching. I would say in any quiz show, but particularly a daytime ITV quiz show like that probably a higher threshold of conservatism that you would need to adhere to because that's the audience. Like, you know, would a middle aged man in Essex or Yorkshire wear what you're wearing? If not, it might be to tray for the chase. It depends what the show is, right? And I think Probably they will tell you Look, wear a shirt or a polo shirt, wear a conservative color because that's where our audience relate to. That is what I would imagine would happen before you're invited onto the chase. They will brief you into roughly the kind of thing you should be wearing And it's because it's really important for that format that the audience relate to you. What about those of us who can't relate to people dressed super boring? What about us? But you're not watching the chase? No, that's true. I'm not. that's what I mean. that's the point, isn't it? You got me I think it's important to dress somewhat how you would normally dress. I sort of think that about wedding weear as well. Like people often dress like a totally different person, whereas I think you just need to dress as an amped up version of yourself So Greg, what do you wear the rest of the time. I'd go for Not a particularly voluma shape just because it can be difficult to frame it well in those sorts of shows, but maybe a very bold colour or pattern Like a fun jumper. Yes, yeah. Like this one and I'm wearing, look at it. it's got aliens on it. That's all well and good, but you don't know who the artist is, Like is it a registered thing that you're wearing? Are you promoting someone who might have beliefs that are against the beliefs of the program? They do have to think about all that stuff because there's not much else going on. Is you on screen answer the questions? What's going on So I do think they will tell you what to wear But I would say in general Standards change all the time Like, you watch back clips from the nineteen seventies and the interviewees are like smoking cigarettes the whole way through an interview and no one blinks. Nowadays, I feel like a man wearing makeup or a man wearing nail varnish probablyably as recently as like five years ago, That would be something that even if it was implicitly kind of permissible the host would probably pick you up on, like, oh, I see you'll wear it, you know what I mean? Whereas now that just wouldn't get commented on standards change, I think But I do think each show is different. prodroducers will tell you Like I once made a mistake. I was remember when we used the paper preview on Sky News years ago. Yeah. I once wore a neon yellow tie which was the exact same color as the breaking news bar at the bottom of the screen. So It'st look like I was coming out of the ticker Wow, The breaking news is, Ollie Man. Exactly. So you got to be careful with that And it can happen at all levels of fame. I was once on the BBC brereakfast sofa when Victoria Derbyshire was hosting. And she was wearing a very light sort of cream top and hadn't realized until she was on that when the light shone through it Well, as she said when I sat down, you can see my brrazier I haven't heard that word in many a year. That's what I was thinking. I was like, who says Brazier? not someone in their early fifties It lent the whole encounter some class that she used that word. But anyway, the point is even someone with her experience hadn't dressed appropriately for that occasion, so everyone makes mistakes. I would say that whatever you wear aesthetically Have temperature in mind because I think being too warm in this circumstance is a real mistake, having too tight a collar ad news And remember they want you to look sweaty and under pressure because that's the again, that's the format I may tell you. to wear a thick fabric But don't, that's a good tip. Obviously like your upper body is going to be the most in shot, so that's where you want to go for it. Maybe with a rough. A rough and then nothing at the bottom don't go plain top and elaborate trousers because most of the effect will be lost I'd say. Oh and also percussion. I was on a radio show once with a guest who had a cacophony of bracelets does look great that that What was it like We all greatest night in recording? Yeah, yeah, where Cindney Lauopper had this incredible cavalcade of like yes, necklaces that were picking up on mic. Yeah and they have to stop the recordings. so they're like, whereere's that noise coming from? And then Cydney Luopper has to strip off loads of jewellery. Yeah. I loved that documentary. We've never talked about that before. It's really good. I love Stve., youonder doing the impression of' Dyl in front of him. I was just about to say. So funny. That's the best bit, isn't it It's the best bit Bob Dylan being shit scared of being in a room full of people who can actually sing. But also Stevie Wonder, like knowing what to say and what to say is to do a terrible impression of Bob Dylan, but that somehow is the right thing. It' such a legend It's so good. he's like, you can do like this Hello, I'm Pennywise the clown from Stephen King's It. When're not abusing children, I like to sit in my sewer listening to answer me this My This episode is brought to you by Google Chrome. 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Apply today and earn a welcome offer of one thousand five hundred dollars cashback after you spend fifty thousand dollars in qualifying purchases on your new card within the first six months of card membership T terms apply, learn at go. ammx slash graphi. Qestion of literature now from Anne, who says Hellen answ to me this. How rich was Mr. Darcy Could he casually go and visit the king? He's not Lord or Baron Darcy. Is that significant? Not really. How many people were at the time as wealthy as Mr. Pememberly Okay, just in case people are coming to this unspoilered for Pride and Prejudice for the last two hundred plus years. Yeah. Mr. Darcy is the love interest from Pride and Prejudice and people are like, this guy has ten thousand pounds a year.. Obviously a different era of British money, pasalization for a start And also like how dating worked Like even if it wasn't a particular impressive amount of money You'd say it because that's you're doing, isn't it? You're setting people up based on their commodities Right. And I thought, how did people know what money people had in those days? But they can basically tell fromom how much land he owned or inherited, he's landed gently. He's not got a title Jane Austen actually didn't write many characters with titles, but he is richer than the average lord. And I think at the time, if he had been a lord, he would have had to do a lot of schmooszing because he would have been working in politics. and he doesn't want that life. He just wants to like mooch around smoldering being uncomfortable, looking at it beautiful Eizabeth Bennett swimming, horse, that kind of shit. His family by today's metrics would have been in the three hundred richest families in the country. according to Ellie Dashwood, the YouTuber who talks a lot about like Austin logistics So that is rich Isn't it? I appreciate then there were fewer people in Britain, but that'e to being in the top three hundred, you're still that's good. And the ten thousand pounds a year, that's probably the interest of his estate and the farming that took place on it. So that doesn't necessarily include investments that he had or rents from other properties. If you just convert it to modern money. It's not a direct comparison. It doesn't take into account the other stuff like the fact that Certain things were really, really expensive, but the wealth gap was a lot bigger. So the aristocrats were served by staff and the staff were relatively cheap and their food was grown on their land. That was also cheaper, but then having a carriage or a horse was like super, super expensive and very heavily taxed. Male servants were taxed more than female servants So like I've seen different estimates of what this ten thousand pounds a year would be the equivalent of in these days. Some people say, well, ten thousand pounds a year is the equivalent of getting one million pounds a year if you just convert the numbers. but then More or less podcast estimated it as being more like if he had sixty million pounds coming in per year It important to know when you're thinking about the prospects of this completely fictional character Yeah, well when you read the book now or when you watch the adaptations, you're like, ten thousand pounds a year, doesn't sound great. My rent is more than that. And it's sort of like as well, when you watch it and the Bennett family of sisters, they're like, Ah shit, we're really financially fucked. And you're like, Youre living in this amazing huge house. Yes. It's how hard to compute when you're watching that. Yeah, I often think that like when I watch working class American dramas You know, they're obviously designed to make Americans look at the family and think, Ohh my go, look at that shit hole they live in And you look at the house. And we're like they've got a house. basasement flat. But no one even lives in. They've got a front drive, they've got their own parking space. They've got five bedrooms, they've got more than one bathroom. They own their home. Eactly. But it's just a different culture, isn't it? And obviously very much Jane Austen's Britain was a very different cult I haven't read the book. I have seen the BBC Andrew Davis adaptation. You remember mrter Collins in that adaptation, right? The sort of like Skeeevy Vicar cousin that if one of the Bennett sisters marries him, then their family is less financially fucked. But they don't want to And so Lizzy's friend Charlotte who is like, I don't have that much currency on the marital market because I'm twenty seven so old and I have a bad haircut. so I'll marry him And he's on about modern equivalent of two hundred and forty thousand pounds a year with a house. Very Yeah, exactly. It' like you know, she's. She's pragmatic, that's not bad Yeah, yeah, yeah. G good on her.. Obviously everyone remembers the scene where Colin Furths wet. His wetness. His royal wetness It was apparently not caused by diving into the lake itself. He actually didn't go into the lake because it was feared that he might contract Vil's disease spread by rat's urine in the water. Yep, ye They plked Colin in a tank Yes, Eling Studio And he decided for the close up to pick up a bucket of water and drench it over his head which was not part of the script. So this whole like iconic moment where basically you can see his nips through the transparent fabric, Victoria Derbhy style. This whole moment where you can see his present here was written to be a comic scene of social embarrassment, having to have a polite conversation ignoring the fact that one of them is soaking wets Whereas instead it becomes this sexy thing because he just tips this water over himself just at the last minute And no one mentioned it on set. It was only in the edit that it became that. I think also he's of such social status that embarrassment doesn't really touch him the way that it does people who have less Colin Furth, or Mr. Darcy. Mr. Darcy. Right, yeah Well also, he's not filmed in that moment, is he? doesn't know he's a BBC adapt on Sunday night, does he? He' just having aat someone He's never heard of television Yeahact. Here's a question from Zoran, who says, My fiancee loves tortilla chips dipped in cottage cheese with hot sauce mixed in T to put off the wedding Ollie, answer me this. What are some of your favorite snacks that other people might look akance at Mine is probably a scrambled egg sandwich on white breread with mayo. Wow, double egg Touble egg. Yeah, I egg may an ace is touble egg, isn't it? It. It is. I do trable egg very frequently. How do trable egg? justust with mayo on everything. So if it's egg based at all, you've got double egg. and then if you know, you'repping dipping it in a yolk for example, I mean, I don't know. Wait. So if you're dpping eggm in a sandwiched soldier into a Ronny iled egg yolk, that's triple egg. Let's say you've used an egg to make something like eggy bread or French toast, that kind of thing, right So then I could easily dip that into an egg yolk.? you're agreeing with me now. But that's still only double egg hllays. It' a mayonnaise, I'm a mayonnaise freak, Lave me be. I don't find that odd. See, I don't think the things I guess this thing isn't it? You do you the thing that you think is perfectly acceptable, other people find a scance. I mean, yeah, I for example, the skin of a salmon, I think that's delicious. Oh yeah, it's so good. So good. veryer nutritiousally it's crispy Yeah, it's got to be crispy. But genuinely my favourite meal in the world, like my death row meal, if they could do it properly would be the ship that comes at the bottom of a roasting tray after you've made a roast vegetable. Like a platter of rose vegetables and meat and then you just scrape it out with your fingernails and get the garlic and onion under your fingers.y's so explicit like this. No this is a real ASMR after dark episode So yeah, burned bits the bottom of the baking tray. Oh heaven. I don't think that's weird. Do you remember about ten years ago when my agent told me to lose weight so that I could host a quiz showow? Yes, didid you host the quQiz show I did host the pilot It was worth a pop. It was by the people who did who wants to be a millionaire. It could have happened. Then I decided to eat for breakfast and I look on this now and think what the was I thinking Smoked salmon with goji berries and lime and nothing else Sogy berries on the summit or at the side likeike sort of sprinkled on the top. What do goodabererries taste like? likeike just I don't know. very sweet ont? I think that was it. I think because of something something so salty, I thought it kind of gave it a I don't know what I thought it gave it. Maybe I'd heard Goji berries good antioxidants or something. It's rank. I couldn't eat it now, but I ate it every day for about two months. Intentional weight loss makes us do some wild, wild shit. That's right.'s your Favorite weird thing to eat which isn't weird and let's not judge people Yeah, that's the thing. I don't think this is very weird, but other people sometimes look a scance is I like takeake my salad dececonstruct As in, I basically like the whole vegetables on their own. So like I'll concer a carrot, a cucumber, some tomatoes, whver That's not a salad. That's cr det. that point surely. Right. Yeah, which isn't good. It's a salad by the time it gets to a stom. But crout de are at least chopped. These are just a whole. Just a whole cup. I think that's quite nice. I don't think that's we No, but some people are like, o what? And sometimes in our household, we will make a crisps salad, which is where you have two, three types of crisp mixed in a bowl. That's Niggella Lawson level stuff She put like chocolate spread all over the top of it as well I mean, the most disgusting thing that I I suppose objectively isn't a weird combo like Zorans fishing for It is a single thing and it is vushed We you have had Vush What's V? It's basically what Jews eat if you're observant and you don't eat por U So it's it's a salami that is processed beef that's been dyed to look pink When you slice it up It has like, you can taste bits of bone in it. Like it's objectively ranked and it sort of tastes of nothing. like a taste of nothing at all it's just the texture And then bits of bone. Cool. A lot of other Ashkenazi Jews from my part of the world will eat it as a comfort food because you're sort of brought up on it as a Sunday lunchtime staple. It's the thing you can snack on before the meal, like have a slice of fish and auntie works in the butcher shop. if I went to visit her with my dad, she'd give me a slice of Vch. That's sweet. So it's like, I know it's disgusting, but it makes me feel happy. And so I always bu because I still live in the hood, I can buy it and it's always in my fridge and I know it's rank. and there's only one brand Bloomes make the Versch and it's not nice. they've got the monopoly. They've got the Vch aopoly. I mean, I don't think any of these things are that weird, honestly. I don't think Zorn's fiancee's snack of choice ' particularly ure. No. Is there something wrong with me that I'm not seeing it? Is there something wrong with them that they feel so guilty about it? Yeah, I put hot sauce on my stuff I do invite anyone listening to try to St and shock us into horror I disbelief, seending us your special snack Well some people can just make stuff up, can't they? Oh, I like put a hot dog into my ice cream and then slather it with pickles or wh. No, I want evidence that you've really eaten this stuff. Yeah pick or it didn't happen. Don't toy with me videideos you're eating it. smiling. Yes, yes, yeah. but not AI videos please. And not a stunt because I will notice you flinching if this is your first time. I want your genuine Snacks. We're very demanding Yes, I am demanding. You know, Sens be this is nineteenth birthday. I don't want to be messed around with some fakery. Yeah, do you want to give us lies for our birthday? I need to feel something and send us questions for Episodes in our twentieth year By voice Or in writing, our contact details are on our website. Answer me this is podcast. com Due to the fact that this episode was delayed from December, you lucky thingsings are gonna have an answer me this heavy month. 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Well It's the illusionist's birthday this month alsoso The illusionist turns eleven. There'll be a public live stream where I read from my dictionaries with musical backing by Martin and thenen I suppose I've got to get off my arse and make more podcasts for the year. So yeah, check it out at the illusionist. org. Also for more Pride and Prejudice content on my retired podcast Veronica Mahars's Investigations, my beautiful co host Jenn Oen and Youngs and I. Recapped, not only the BBC mini series of Pride and Prejudice featuring Colin Firth and his soggy blows, but also the film version with Kiran Kighty and Matthew McFaddion and his handandflex. So you can listen to that on the show's archive for Oonic Kamar's investigations And what is happening Ollie Man W? Well, I make five podcasts. You can discover them all at ollieman. com slash Jesus Well it's newew year, isn't it? I thought it was a good moment to say in this habit forming time that I have a daily entertainment show about history. The show is called Today in History With the Retrospectors. It's ten minutes each day of me and my friends, Aron and Rebecca Pondering a curious moment from history for your listening pleasure, coming up this month The history of the Harlem Globe Trotters, which I knew nothing about because sport. the creation of the National Trust The molasses tank that exploded over Boston. Ykes. sounds fun wasn't lots of childhood death. Did you have to say Massachusetts a lot in that episode? Probably. Yikes. Today in History with the Retrospectors, search for that wherever you get your podcast. And we'll put a link in the show notes as well. Martin. Oh I'd not been up to much. I was missing M Minceced Pers. You say you've not been up too much. I went away for two weeks in December when I came back, you'd built a robot to keep your company. 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