Career Paths in Comedy

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What do you do with a collection of teeth was one of the workerday queries that we tackled in Answer Me This four hundred and seventeen. Yes, very thought provoking. I've got so many ideas now for my immense collection of teeth. Next month, should I open a SC liAbBrary Dan from Sydney has been in touch to say your tooth fairy conversation reminded me of a holiday incident when our daughters were four and five respectively. One had a loose tooth, and the other had a loose toenail from when her big toe had been crushed by a heavy stool some months earlier. I presume he means stools as in bar stools, not bowel movement stools. One morning he says we awoke to gleeful cries of my tooth fell out and my toenail fell off What are the odds on the same morning? On the very same day . The tooth was accounted for, he says , but the toenail was not Uh oh . Then began a frantic hump for the missing toenail . Which I imagine is quite small on a four or five year old thing, the that you're looking for. It's not like finding an adult toenail that's the size of a postage stamp. I think it could be a gripping story. Whereas Anderson has made films of less? Well, it's like Find the Africoman but bodily. This wasn't our apartment. Oh, and the idea of the next guest or the cleaner discovering her withered toenail was unthinkable . No, it's not. Cleaners of holiday apartments have really seen it all. That is absolutely right. A toenail clipping that's got to be a common leaving. A full toenail I just got to be unremarkable, hasn't it? At least it's not moist. Yes, but I still understand the anxiety of the parent who doesn't want to leave that detritus behind as representative of their stay. Yes, I appreciate that not wanting to make work for other people good for you. He concludes his email Fortunately the toenail was located behind the couch, but I can't wait for the day when our children's baby teeth stopped falling out of their faces. Now, Helen, I was certain that that email was instead going to conclude and thus we invented the toenail fairy to keep things fair. What the fuck, Dan? Surely that night, one of them wanted the tooth fairy, the other one must have said , What happens to my toe now? Did you just kill their dreams then? Did you say one body part is more valuable than the other? And there's no logic behind, you know, as we said in AMT four hundred and one seven , the tooth fairy supposedly keeps it to build castles or bullshit. So I mean, it's no different, like you can fashion all sorts of materials out of keratin could be a toenail fairy that's creating biomedical applications like sponges . In fact, it makes less sense that there is a tooth fairy than there being no toenail fairy. Exactly. In a sense if they're a fairies there should be a fairy for everything . Every body part, every hair , every blob of snot. If you were a fairy for any body part, Helen, what would it be? I guess one that very rarely falls off because I have a lot of trouble getting things done in a timely fashion. Right , tip ferry or something Tip fairy. Mastectomies are quite a common procedure. Sure, sure, sure. And I feel like if you've had one, you deserve a visit from the Tip Fairy. Yes, you totally do. Yeah, yeah, yeah, the Tip Fairy should come with I mean, I think you're looking at fifty quid plus as the reward there. Yeah, what is an organ that is very rarely removed from the body? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That I'll be the fairy of that. G Orallbladder fairy actually why not? Gulb Bladder Fairy, that's nice. I know it comes out quite often, but I've got an affiliation. Yes, yes, you have. That's what they look for, isn't it with charity campaigns? Have you been affected? Yeah, and it also comes only out once. So that's a once in a lifetime fairy visit. Not like toenails. I'd be a nose and ear hair fairy. Oh yeah. Just to represent all the other middle aged men out there. You know, it's a very common thing. In fact, I'd be very busy and I don't know what I'd make out of all of the nasal hair. Maybe a rug. Yeah, or wigs for dolls. Yeah. Little doll mustaches. Absolutely. But I just feel like, you know, it's time to reclaim facial detritus of Middle Age men and say celebrate it. Right. And like you said, it is exciting to lose a scab and put it in the Museum of Scabs . But Nasal Hair just hasn't had the kudos yet. Exactly. Therefore, Ollie Man could really turn this shit around. I think I really could actually yeah, I'm making a note now, so that's gonna be on my plan for twenty twenty seven. Well, it's like your pickles range , all of your other excellent ideas, Ollie that you just haven't had the time for . You know, actually the pickle game generally has been upped I would say in the UK since since I long term listeners to the show we know like twenty years ago I was like the kosher pickle game is excellentent, the Giles don't know what pickles there are I think there's a gap in the market to bring pickles to Britain more generally because people just think of Girkins and Cornichons, but there's so much more. But actually, like these days, there's all this sort of like fermented Korean stuff , you know, MNS do ranges of like fresh pickles as well as the jarred pickles. That's confusing. There's Japanese pickle going on, you know, the whole sort of Wagamama on the high street things. I'm not really sure. Not sure there's a gap anymore. You left it too late. I think I did. Well , I knowingly left that gap in the market for someone else and I went on and did podcasting. That was generous. Yeah. Since you were the pioneer of podcasts, you didn't want to take pickles as well as just greedy. Co pioneer . You and Richard Herring . That is who I was thinking of. You know, even Pamela Anderson's got her own pickle line. I didn't know that, but there you go. I mean, that just underlines the issue. The market saturation. Yeah. If I ever see some, if she's selling them on the roadside near Lady Smith on Vancouver Island where she lives, I'll get a jar for you. Yes, of course she's not too far from your from your It's conceivable, isn't it that you could go to like a trendy Canadian film screening Q and A one day and she'd be in the audience or on stage Just with a barrel full of pickles, pickles, pickles today . Here is some feedback from Max in New Jersey about the the behind scenes of Jersey Shaw filming in bars and clubs that you were talking about in answering this four hundred and eighteen. Oh yes, yes, that was a fun conversation, wasn't it? I always love that shit. Yes. Max says I grew up near Seaside Heights, New Jersey , where Jersey Shore was filmed. And I regularly worked in one of the bars they frequented while in production. That is exciting, isn't it? Someone who didn't have to pretend to want to sleep with the guys from Jersey Shore that theys could get on Jersey Shore because they were just there. Max says first of all, during the summer, Seaside Heights is a major tourist spot and we would have regularly packed crowds until two AM, sometimes even later, even on weeknights. Okay, local knowledge, I'll bow to that. I was clearly speculating, wasn't I? I was just saying I presumed it would be relatively more empty on weeknights because I imagined that it would be busier at the weekend, but if you say not, fair enough. In summer, I suppose if they'd been filming in February could be different. Anyway, yes, fine. I mean, I have not worked in a bar in Seaside Heights. I bout to you, sir . Max says the Jerseysha cast filmed several times when I was there, and on those occasions, they were not pre arranged with extras to fill in the crowd . They were all normal nights with the usual mix of locals who came to see the band I worked with and the obnoxious tourists from New York that we call Bennies. I wonder why they call them Bennies. It's obviously Derisory isn't it? Yes, Max, please enlighten us. I know that when it goes the other way because we did a today in history about studio fifty four the New Yorkers have a derisory term for New Jersey people . Something like something and tunnels? Bridge and tunnels. Bridge and tunnel. Yeah, exactly. Because they have to come from the suburbs and the bridges and tunnels. Yes, it's that, isn't it? It's what Benny is in reverse, I guess. Max says, I vividly remember one such night where the cast was seated in a booth with a camera pointed at them and they stayed there for ninety minutes without ever saying a single word to each other, which I thought was very odd. So I'm not sure that does disprove well . So you're basically saying, Oh, there weren't any extras there and it was a normal night with normal people, but that's exactly the point. They weren't filming dialogue, then were they on that night? I was saying the question was, when they film the dialogue, that's a different scenario, isn't it? As we said in the episode, there's the kind of cutaways and the setups , the general here of the lads out on the lash shots , but it's when you've got a scene, isn't it? When you've got an effectively scripted , bullet pointed hero of the Beats scene. Those are ones the where they'd have the fixes. I wonder what this was for. Maybe it was just downtime while they were like the lighting right or some shit, the camera replacement. Maybe the cast were like we have to spend our time with each other all the time, so we just really need not to be chatting right now . Or maybe they needed shots of them looking displeased for the narrative . Yes. And so they're like just sit there doing nothing. I think they probably were just sick of each other because it's really actually quite it's not strenuous, but it's tiring. Yeah, being in reality TV. So we did actually talk about this episode and then cut it, but I think it's in the bonus bits if you subscribe on Patreon you'll have heard this last week. in researching Jersey Shore, I was reading that when they made Geordie Shaw, the bit where they sit in front of the green screen, that's two days filming. Two days filming, doing that, just the bit where you recollect what happened when you had an argument six months ago . And like when you actually think about what that's like, yeah, like getting drunk and then having to do that for two days. Yeah. That's the shocking thing I think about pretty much all television. It's not , oh, how do they shoot a club scene with the music? It's how long everything takes and how tedious it is. That's why I chose radio over tele, Helen having worked in Tele, and now fucking radio is becoming visualized. So it's like, I know . I didn't get into audio to be perceived. Exactly. Yeah. I prefer the imagination version of me that you're listening to right now. Yes incredibly hot. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'd fuck him Yeah, do you feel like people are crossingly disappointed when they meet our corporeal realities? I think you just always build up a version in your head, don't you of what a particular voice is? Brought vividly home to us both when we worked with Steve Wright , that is a man who se voice everyone in the UK had grown up with, even if they didn't consciously listen to Steve Wright this afternoon, it's not in the background everywhere . So when you see that voice, that iconic voice come out of that man, you know, that disheveedlled, middle ag ordinary looking man . It was a shock because it's like, that's not Steve Wright in my head. Also Steve Wright's press shots were many years old at that point. They're twenty years older, yes, but as our mind because I never think, oh, I should get some press shots done. And then I'm like, Oh shit when I need one. Sure, sure, sure. We have more discussion of Jersey Short. Jersey Moore from Matt, who is a dialogue editor for film and television. Matt includes a link to his IMDB, which I enjoyed. Oh, I didn't see that. Can I take a moment to see? Let me see what his credits. I was very impressed. The fallen rise of Reggie Dinkins he worked on, not heard of it. I've heard that's great. Song Sung Blue, not heard of it. Sorry, this is not like I'm not critical. I'm just being honest, I haven't heard of it. Songsung Blue was the film that Kate Hudson got an Oscar nomination for this year. Okay. The American Revolution, I mean, I've heard of as a historical event, but not the historical TV ser ies. Worked on Pochino and Dying for Sax, both very good shows. I'm just now browsing the whole thing to see if I've seen any of your work. The staircase. I have seen the staircase. So yes, that is the one credit on his CV that I have seen. So yeah, anyone It's some are Yeah, not seen it sorry. Anyway, well done, Matt . I love that you have an IMDP . Matt says fun to hear a really rather accurate appraisal of my chosen craft and profession of film and television audio. Yes, see me bullshitting about it was still accurate. There you go. I must say upfront I didn't work on Jersey Shore. I was still in university then, but I was listening to answer me this while Snookie and the gang were airing all those years ago. Ollie, a lot of your research was, I think, spot on. A few additional tidbits. If music is playing back in scene in a film with extras dancing, we often use what's called, at least in America, a thump track, which is just a steady pulse of bass or a very low frequency at the tempo of the song that will be there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We use bass so it doesn't occupy the same register as actors' voices and can be easily rolled off and removed from the audi o recorded during filming. And that's what we were saying, wasn't it? Dance the metronome filter it out later. I actually just I'd forgotten this when we were recording it, but I was in a film as an extra and had to do that. I just weirdly forgot to Oh just forgot I've led such an exciting showbiz life it slipped my mind that I hadn't experienced exactly relevant to what we were talking about I did yeah I forgot to anecdotalize it Well get on the case now So since I'm on IMDB anyway , let me see if the film that I'm in the background of has an IMDB page, hold on live research. What period of your life was this? Oh, like straight out of university if not still in it. Oh my god. Okay, so the film was called The Devil's Music . I'm not familiar. I know. It was a British film. I think about the Rolling Stones or the pre rolling stones rolling stones. Yeah, the only films that come up with that title were made in two thousand eight and this would have been more like two thousand one. Oh, here we are. The Devil's Music two thousand two. Rated fifteen, one and a half hours, that probably is it. How does it score? How does it score? It doesn't have the film cover art listed . It doesn't have any reviews, yet there's nothing about it . I know that it did get finished, but I'm not sure it got released. It probably got shown at film festivals and stuff. I'm just seeing whether the direct or has made anything since not really . It was highly low budget, which is why obviously people's mates were dancing in the background. So yeah, anyway, there was a pub in Herne Hill and me and my friends went along from the day that we were paid as well, but like thirty quid for like twelve hours or something and yeah, we did the thing. We danced I think we were actually dancing to a track because that was also where they were filming the miming to the track of the band pretending they were playing the track . But I seem to recall that there was also some general dancing to a nothing. So yeah, incredible. Done it. Yeah, forgotten that I'd done it. Made a reference to Scooby Doo, but I've actually done it myself . You were scooby do for one long, poorly paid day ? Matt continues your questionnaire may have also observed a music rights issue with Jersey Shaw. There's a good chance that when the program originally aired, it had a mainstream track, as you all discussed, either covered under MTV's blanket broadcast music licensing deals or a song negotiated for the show . But now years later, typically music rights for stream ing are more expensive as it's a license in perpetuity versus a one time broadcast. So there's a chance the music that was originally in that club scene will have since been replaced by a more generic library track to save MTV some cash before putting it on paramount plus. Right, because otherwise I guess it would just be too expensive to stream an old reality show because the royalties. Yes. Matt says the most notable example of this I can think of is UK top gear, where the program as broadcast has a wildly larger array of classic hit tracks covered under BBC broadcast deals versus generic library sound alikes streaming on Amazon. Nice. Okay, this is nerdy granular levels of detail. I love nerdy granules . When I used to work at ITV daytime, there was like a poster above my desk that had obviously been there for like twenty years, quite well worn . And it just said, Do not use the Beatles or Elvis Presley . So obviously they'd been burned by that before. Those then were the artists that were like, They will fist you if you use their song. We are not covered to play that. Didn't they use the whole music budget for one season of Madmen on one Beatles track? Yeah, well, you can when you're mad Men can't you as harder when you're Jeremy Kyle? 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You may recall Helen, back in answer four M hundrede This and sixteen, we talked about a wedding suit that an anonymous questionnaire had written in to say, What am I going to do with a wedding suit? We've broken up. Yes. Broken up and it seemed to be a fair way in their past. It did, I think three years in at that point. Dale from Trucky, California has written in, he says, My relationship ended eighteen months ago when my fiancee of nine years left Yes, I'm sorry Yes, we were engaged for nine long years, with neither of us pushing for the official wedding to take place, I suspect we both knew it wasn't going to last . Well, good for you for realising that before getting married. Yeah, yeah, better at that point, isn't it? Not on the day in a dramatic romcom fashion. Yeah, it's like me with failing to answer emails. I figure if I leave it long enough then it ceases to become relevant anyway it. So was like I failed to answer it. I mean, it's interesting to me like he's preempting what he thinks I think we might have said there. Like you what? You were engaged for nine years. And that must be through experience of lots of people saying to him, Oh, well, you know, if it's been that long, maybe it was never going to work. But actually just on that side note , in my experience, it's not true. I know quite a few people that have engaged for ages and just haven't got round to it and it's not because they're some sort of unconsumated part of their relationship. My colleague Ollie Pitt from the modern man, when I met him in twenty fifteen , was still engaged to the same person he is now, who is now the mother to his child and they live together and have a mortgage. Yeah. So yeah, armshug emoji. Some people, they just, you know , like being engaged. I think that's very reasonable because A, living together with a mortgage and having a child are both commitments. Enormous life commitments. Yeah. And I'm not sure that marriage is a more significant one than either of those. But also like when Martin and I got engaged, that felt like a kind of shift in our relationship, but I didn't feel a similar shift when we got married. Yes, yes, yeah, yeah, I agree. He says I've been hanging onto the engagement ring though because I don't know what to do with it. Right . Tiny napkin ring Tiny Tiara . In California , where I live, an engagement ring is legally considered a conditional gift , meaning I need to give it back regardless of the circumstances , we talked about this, didn't we? Gifts with conditions Are they really gifts at all? say I Yeah, this is complicated and also because it's eighteen months ago it becomes more complicated because if you'd given it back straight away then, you'd be free of this dilemma. Well, if your fiance had asked for it straight away, I think that would make a difference. We're going to come on to this. He says, My fiancee is the one who ended the relationship, so I feel like I should keep the ring despite the legal definition of this gift My ex wouldn't expect the ring to be returned nor would he care about the legal definition that's not something he would concern himself with. Alright , we have a fine relationship now as we have dogs together and could talk about this, but I'd rather not it would just bring up too much from our past. Why bother? And what would you suggest that I do? Well , I would suggest that what you could do is sell the ring and put the money towards the dog fund, like if the dog needs medical expenses or such, would that seem fair? I know it's not very romantic. Dog's plural, so that is actually a useful yeah, and could be expensive in California, couldn't it? Right, because if you are cohumans to these dogs, then both of you are facing ongoing dog expenses. Yeah, yeah, that's great. I like that. Okay , because as you say, the fact that he hasn't mentioned it thus far probably does mean he hasn't even thought about it and probably does, you're correct, not care about it or feel like he has any claim on it and he's not bothered . And so if you wanted to keep it for yourself, if it actually was bringing you some joy, even if only in a nostalgic keepsake box, then I think that'll be fine for you to keep it. But when it comes to selling it, when you started your answer there and you were like, I would suggest selling it. I was like, ooh, I think if you sell it or pawn it, then I think you do have to tell him because at that point , A, as you say, he is legally entitled to it , and B, since you still see each other, who knows? He might ask about it in the future one day and you don't want to then reveal, oh yeah, I sold him. I kept the money. But the dog's thing was ingenious, Helen. I hadn't thought about that. I thought, God, what do you do? Do you just sell it anyway? And then come to him having said, look, I've had an offer for X amount of dollars, shall we split it and see what he says? Maybe he'll say keep it. But if he says split it fair enough, at least you get to keep some of it. But your idea is better go towards your dogs. That is your joint project together. That is in effect the fruits of your marriage , of your aborted marriage. So yeah, spend the money on the kids, definitely. I know you said you didn't want to have this conversation because it was going to dredge up things, but do you think you could have it if you have this plan in place? Yeah, sort of build up to it it? So's not like what do you want me to do? It's like here's an idea for what to do with this thing that is sort of hanging over me would you agree to that? Pass him the leaflet on the coffee table . You know, slide it over like a prospectus for a private school. Leaf flip for what? So you've got an engagement ring for a relationship that has now finished. No, no, no, no . A leaf flip for the dog hotel or the dog outfit or the dog car, whatever the fuck you can spend the dog money on the dog car . Yeah , I've sold my engagement ring to pay for driving lessons for the dog . Sell him the dream, that's all I'm saying. Sell him the dream. Sure , sure. The other thing would be, depending on what it's made out of, could you get a jeweler to reconfigure it into something that you would like and that didn't have associations for you? Or would it still be too uncomfortable because the association was too strong? Yeah, could you actually halve it , but then that is kind of destroying it. And then give him half and say I've made it into whatever it is, nipple rings, ear studs. Sure. Yeah, matching nipple rings with someone you're no longer in a relationship with not at all weird. Hold on, the answer is staring us in the face it's a combination of all the things we're saying dog jewellery, dog jewelry, dog jewellery. That's what do with it. That's what you do with it. You make dog dog jewellery things, one for each dog It's keeping the dream alive through your fairy children, but also it's accessorizing the dogs in a fun way that isn't then worth money to steal the dogs because it's effectively destroyed the jewellery done, dog jewellery. Okay , they are in California, which as a state, I think would have more dog jewelry than most, but they are in Trokey, which dial that backwards a bit. Right, okay. It's not like they're in San Francisco. A bling pooch in any part of the world is appreciated. Well, please send us pictures in please. Rob from Durham is ending this edition of Answer's Back. Congratulations, Rob, your headlining. Yeah . With the following humdinger of a piece of feedback, he says , I have been enjoying the answer me this return. Thanks. It allows me to ask something that I intended to ask when you ended the podcast but never got round to. Oh Question he's been sitting on since twenty twenty one . Wow. You're both comedy fans and you both work in performance of various kinds. That part is true. Yeah, I'd partially challenge that statement. It feels like it could be said of me, but it isn't fundamental to me. What comedy fandom or the other thing? Both things, really. Okay, but I see it's not like a millimeter, it's not like you said you're both racing drivers and you eat loads of ham , but you haven't nailed me there. But anyway, here's the question. Exclusive Olly Man cannot be nailed . Did either of you ever try stand up comedy in your career? And if so, how did it go and were you ever any good at it? I didn't really. I did a lot of stand up adjacent things where I would perform with stand ups, but not do stand up. But I did write like weird little plays and I was in sketch and stuff and I used to run a comedy club with Josie Long and I did on stage embroidery during a twelve night run she had at the Soho Theatre where I was embroidering a different scene from her show each night. But Josh Whittakam never did that not yet. However, I didn't want to do stand up stand up partly because I didn't really do like stage monologues until a few years ago with Illusionist live shows because I couldn't figure out a way in which I would want to do that . But also I knew what that life was like because my brother was a standup and because a lot of my friends were stand ups, and particularly the stand ups who weren't men. It was a fucking difficult life. There were very few of them at the time. A lot of them like didn't last in comedy because it was so unpleasant. The rooms were set up for them not to succeed . There were a lot of people sexually abusing the female stand ups and I didn't want that. I also didn't want to be away three hundred nights a year doing shit gigs just to build up something . I was too lazy basically. And I liked the fact that podcast ing we got to be amusing, but there's less obligation than when people have paid to come to a place and laugh, then you really have to deliver, whereas we didn't. One of the things we always said all along was that now there are so many categories on Apple podcasts. But in two thousand seven there were like five to choose from. So we called this comedy . But we always said like if there was just like a banter category, which I think there is now going to there's entertainment, I think. Entertainment is better because it's not comedy. Like it's funny, but sometimes talk about serious things in a flippant way albeit, but you know, it's not constantly looking for it's not the Simpsons. It's not looking for gag every ten seconds. It's like it's infotainment. It's infotainment. Edge amusement . Whereas , yeah, I always used to feel uncomfortable with the fact that people would sometimes call us comedians when they'd interview us or write about us. Yeah, yeah, they still do. And you know, when we were doing punditry as well, I went through a phase in my career listeners may recall from a while ago, where almost nightly I'd be on BBC News or I'd be on Sky News or I'd be in the mornings on Lorraine, I did a lot of paper reviews and stuff like that. And often it would come up with a caption comedy podcaster. It's fine in theory, but then what are you there to discuss? Just whatever's in the news. You know, it's like you'd be there to discuss a grooming gang or something. It's like, I'm not going to be making jokes about this. Whereas if it says historian, you're not going to automatically assume that they're going to contextualize everything they say with. Well, actually, funny story about when Goebbels went to Rotham. You know, it's not necessarily connected. Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. I always used to say, can you just call it podcast? You just say podcast , but then of course then I'd have Aviman Holmes grilling me off now about what podcast was so that was hard as well. What's that? How can you make money? Yeah. Oh my god. To answer the question, head on. Yeah, I did sort of try stand up comedy. No, I wouldn't call it in my career because I was still at school . But when I was in the Rushmore stage of my life and I was like head boy at my school and putting on morning assemblies and singing dancing award shows and stuff , I created a couple of opportunities per year for me to stand up in front of the entire school and basically do a comedy monologue for seven minutes. Like you were Billy Crystal hosting the Oscars. Yes, exactly my influence, yes. And I'm not gonna lie. I was really good for that audience. Like because I knew exactly the injokes, I pitched it right so the teachers were like uncomfortable but not standing up to rush on stage and stop me . You know, everyone the victim of all the jo kes was usually laughing along, you know, it was well judged for a sixteen year old. But you know, that's very different, isn't it? Performing in front of effectively a private audience where you sort of understand all the jokes completely. Well, that's kind of how it is now when I perform because people come to Lisa's live shows and it is more like stand up or cabaret or something. It's not a live podcast recording. Yeah, but the difference between it and doing standupy stand up is the audience is already into what I do and I don't have to win them over and that is a sweet, sweet privilege that I enjoy. Yes, exactly. I think also a lot of people would not have qualms calling themselves comedians and doing what we do, but I did because I hadn't put in the work to be a circuit comedian and I felt like I needed to do that in order to claim the title. Exactly. I've had this exact conversation with Matt Hill who co produces a lot of the shows that I make, who a few times has written about me in a sales pitch for an advertiser or something as a journalist, you know, hosted by journalist Ollie Man and I always been like stopping that. I'm not a journalist. I'm a radio presenter. I haven't done a course in journalism and he's like, Yeah, not got the ethics tra ining. Yeah , yeah, I haven't done all the stuff with like, this is what happens if a case is live, this is what happens in court. I don't know that. I sort of instinctively I've understood what you do, but like I haven't been trained. And I don't see my role as being a journalist. I tend to talk to journalists about stuff. But anyway, he was like, listen back to the Mondan for the last ten years. You've been doing original that is original journalists. You've gone metaphor you've uncovered their stories, you've discussed things, but that's being a journalist. And so both things are true. Like, you know, there is a qualified thing. And then there's also like, how do people perceive you, what would they say this is? Yeah. And so reluctantly accept that we're in the comedy field. I do think it fucked my career quite a bit not to be like I'm a comedian or I'm a journalist. I think you have to self brandis these things and then people let you do the kinds of jobs that I am already good at. Yeah, I think that's probably true. I mean I mean , there's a whole circuit of kind of people that are only on radio four panel shows and have never really had a job apart from doing that. That could be me. And exactly. And I remember thinking about how do I get to just be that guy because that looks fun. You have to do stand up once like many years ago? Yeah, or have been at university with the person who's now presenting the show. I think that helps. We almost certainly were, Ollie . Exactly. You're related to the person who's presenting the show. Yeah. But yeah, it's easier for the producers, isn't it to say , Oh yes, you should get them. They're a comedian . Yeah, even if they're not, even if they do less than we do. So that's vexing, but I just didn't want to. I would have felt like it was disingenuous. So career fockage, I Turk, I suppose. Yeah, but we are genuine. That's the thing, that's the authenticity we're selling, isn't it? What price? It commands no price these days, Ollie, no one gives a shit. I don't know. Well, it commands a certain price on Patreon for which we're very grateful. Oh my god the skills of the math. There you go, radio presenter not journalists if you want to support could a journalist do this If you would like to support this show and its ongoing quest to be as genuine as possible and not necessarily comedy then p,lease do continue to send us money at patreon. com slash answer me this because you are keeping us afloat. We massively appreciate it. Thank you. 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