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You spoil us ammbassador with your Ferrero Roe Here is our Ferrero Rose Tower of extra content because the thing is about doing a podcast since the dawn of time is that we have a very large back catalog And aside from things that have not dated well, it is as fresh to the listener, the day they listened to it, as the day it went out. What is time Ollie? This means that people have responses to stuff from the recent and distant past. That's right. And so what you're listening to now is a new vehicle for that feedback, your feedback as if presented on an rmine cushion. At last getting the spotlight. Exactly. This is an email from Scott, who says My husband, Michael and I listened to Answ mee this to help soot us to sleep Yeah. Why do people tell us that like it's a compliment? I think it's a compliment. It's intimate. I mean, it's nice to be in bed with you, both. Yeah in Bed with Scott and Michael. Yeah. We've probably listened to some episodes a dozen times or more, though not necessarily from start to end in one go. No, that's how falling asleep works, isn't it? Yeah, it took a newsbreak. Do you ever listen to audio when you're trying to sleep Pellen? Is that thing you've ever done? Absolutely. when I was growing up I used to put on the radio Ian Collins on Inictor FM. Oh yes. See, my son got a smart speaker for his Christmas present a couple of years ago. evenven though it was only like six, we got him a smart speaker because we thought, well you're not getting a fucking phone. Do you what I mean? L We're hard no on phone, so let's be a bit more liberal about the smart speakers. It's only music So we why a smart speaker. started listening to Joe Rogan. Well This is the thing, right? What he has discovered is some like sleep hypnosis playlist Oh which is like ten hours long and he goes to see. And I can only blame myself because of all the times we thrust white noise into his buggy. But I do worry like there might be some hidden message in there because it's ten hours long, I'm not listening to it. and he listens to it every night when he goes to bed. It seems mostly to be like meditative calm stuff, I don't know. I don't want it be a crutch, you know, they can only sleep with those noises. I know a lot of people that can only sleep listening to a horrible true crime podcast. What is it about the human body where they're like, this is what relaxes me? Look, from a podcaster's point of view, an advertising impression is an impression. That's true, yeah. just put it on silent while you sleep, and then use the voucher code before you wake up Scott says We recently listened to episode three hundred and sixty five From Gardman when that was twenty eighteen, I think, where you were discussing the lyrics of sweet Caroline. and whether the line is one touching one O warm, touching warm plausible, but the latter clearly the less desirable mental image. I guess. What about hot water bottles? Yeah exactly. I know one touching one sounds like something that Queen Elizabeth might say to Prince Philip, but I still think warm, touching warm You're saying it' less desirable, but it is sexier, isn't it? It's more tactile. But less depersonalized. Yes. I think that's why in twenty eighteen, I came down on the side that it was Warm, touching, warm Scott continues. Last night, we were in a gay bar in Palm Springs on karaoke night. It's the perfect location for sweet Caroline. Absolutely. As soon as we heard the opening bars of Sweet Caroline, I couldn't help but see which of the two options came up on the screen Suffice it to say, they went with warm touching warm. Of course they did, warm touching warm. I called it Not sure that it's conclusive either way, but certainly not three words I'd want to see together again on a big screen in a hurry. My whole like attitude to Seet Caroline has changed since we had that conversation actually. I had nothing but affection for that song. It's a banger. It's kind of got built in nostalgia. It's fun, right? Oh, no, has it been ruined for you? It has been slightly ruined through overkill. It's the Bisk off of pop. Back then, it was known in sporting terms for the is it the Boston Red sox, I think, play it there whatever they are they football? arere they baseball? don no No. Don't us. we don't want thated but. We deliberately don't care. Don't you know us at all? Exactly. Whereas here in the UK, it's not like it was unknown. It was a massive hit in the nineteen sixties, but sweet Caroline was one of those sweetly nostalgic single alongs you'd put on and people would know. Kind of like Heyude You you'd he it occasionally, right But then since then. I mean, you've left the country, I don't know how where you are of this. It's become like an England football anthem. In ways that aren't ar. I think it's something to do with becausecause the song sort of builds and builds And it kind of has this sense of the hookie chorus is just around the corner, you know, just out of reach, getting brighter and brighter I think it plays into the English football fans's dilemma of like, you know, England are doing better and better, but we hope they're going to win. Always out of reach. Yeah, exactly. And it was I think it was Euro twenty twenty one that it started becoming a thing. and now it's just any English football event of any kind or any sporting event of any kind. The crowd will start singing swweet Caroline and they'll do the American thing of going So good. so good, which we didn't used to do in this country either No we just went hard on the B. Just the B B like a normal person would. And then the other thing that happened on one of my podcasts, I will allow a gambling advert in a third party voice. I won't do a read, but you know, if they want to advertise on my show, I don't mind And yet, I stopped the William Hill adverts because it was so fucking annoying Becauseuse's getting people writing to me saying every time I listen to a show I have to hear sweet Caroline It was like soundtracking gambling adverts wall to wall throughout entire summer. I have had some experience of unwanted sweet Caroline listening. Despite not living in Britain anymore, because last summer Ollie I spent a substantial amount of time in Wolverhampton in England because Mart's Because Martin's dad was dying b yeah So bad, so sad. Yes, it was very sad. The day after he died, Martin and I went for a walk along a beautiful canal. and had this big argument about nothing. you know when you have like a sort of It's truly soul destroying argument but it's really not about anything. It's just because you have like so many built up emotions preventing them in an appropriate way and we'd just been through this very difficult experience of like spending weeks caring for his dad and then he died. Yes. I find in a marriage it's often that once the conversation has been opened up And you're like oh, this is going be of those conversations where we'll upset each other and we'll say the things that irritate each other It's almost like it has to follow the formula of I'm going to have to say these things that I was upset about weeks ago. Yeah. because this is the opportunity. justust like everything from the entire back catalog of a podcast levels of upset. But we got through it and reconciled and then just as we were finishing our walk and getting to the car from behind a massive edge We just had bunch of people singing, swweet Caroline, B. And I was like, what the fuck is happening on the other side of that hedge Well, I'm glad you had an irritating experience with Sweet Carolina out in the wild. but Oh yeah, just a great equalizer, is it Exactly. It's everywhere and you can't avoid it now. I remember that next time I touched down at Heathrow, I expect to be greeted by Neil Diamond himself singing it in my face Right, we've got some feedback as well from Steve in San Diego. That's how these feedback episodes are going to work List Is There's no question. No question, just answers How reassuring. Steve says, in Answer me this four hundred and eight. So that is at least from the modern era. You discussed the history and customs surrounding the wearing of a tiara. We did. This discussion prompted me to write to you with a bit of tiara trivia. Did you know that the United States Navy has an official regulation uniform TiRa. I did not know, Steve. Looking at it online, I don't know that I would have identified it as a TiRa because it looks like a kind of little cap with some embroidery. I agree. It's sort of half air hostessie, half sailor's hat Or like a padded headband, but you wear it flatter on your head. And it's a bit like saying Donald Duck's wearing a tiaro. It is clearly a naval hat But it is tiara shaped. it has the gap behind for the hair. It's fancy enough for evening only. Maybe I need to check my personal definition of tiara. Maybe it doesn't encompass enough Fancy headgear. Well, Steve explains, this is an optional head covering for female officers which can be worn with the formal dinner dress often called mess dress uniforms Mest dress is roughly the equivalent to black tie in terms of formality and is worn only for special formal occasions Tiaras are not required as part of this uniform. continues, Steve, but can be worn by female officers if they choose get with a programmed Navy, why can't mail officers choose to? Well, exactly. I know all this because my wife is in the Navy, and while she doesn't have the Tiara, one of her good friends does and has worn it to Navy functions The uniform Tiara is different from a traditional tiara. it is made of uniform fabric and does not have jewels. Not a tiara. You could wear it if you're working in a fast food restaurant to keep your hair out the deep fryer. However, it does have navy insignia and will have different embroidery and symbols on it depending on the wearer's rank Other branches of the US military also used to have Tiaras as part of their formal uniform options, but they've been phased out of regulation As of today, only the Navy still authorizes it as part of the uniform. Well also the Navy discontinued it in twenty sixteen due to poor Tiara sales. Oh and only reinstated it in twenty twenty four. I don't know what sign of the times that was where they werere like, It's Tiara Times again Maybe there was protests. Pe like the Tiaras. It's a bit like I would never wear kilt. But I would be upset if I never again saw a man in a kiltter at a black die event that always jers me up. Oh for sure You know, I don't want to be told to wear a kilt, but I'm happy for someone to interpret black tie to mean totally becauseuse a of black tye is quite boring So the reinterpretations are very welcome. I actually I went to a wedding a couple of months ago and I sorted through my cupboard and I thought I had my black tie ready It wasn't white tie. It was like regulation black ties. I was like, yeah I've got dinner jacket. I'm a bit fat these days, but I'm sure I can squeeze in. Oh, I've got my dad's one., That's fine. I'll wear that. He's dead. B wh. But I didn't try on the shirt because I thought the shirt's going to fit. Oh no. then on the way to the wedding, like, you know You did that classic thing of like waiting ten minutes before the taxi turned up to get dressed. realized to my panic that the white shirt that I thought was a dinner shirt just isn't. It isn't a dinner shirt It's just a white shirt. It's just a white business shirt, didn't have the pinkaky collar, D didn't the space for cufflinks And I sort of had no choice. I could either be late for the wedding and stop on route at Marks and Spencer or wear it and brave it out and see if anyone noticed. And which did you choose The latter and I think that wass the correct choice I think nobody did notice. It turns out if you wear a normal white shirt and you wear it with a black bow tie with a black dinner jacket, it looks very much like black tie. That's the thing, the shirt is quite low down on the things people will notice in that ensemble. I mean, I think a fashion Easter would notice and someone like looking carefully through the photo the bride probably would notice two weeks later looking through the photos, But no one noticed on the night unless you're very important guess I think people largely don't really give a shit what you're wearing as long as it doesn't seem disrespectful. Well, it's a bit like a kilt in a way, isn't it? I could have been like, Ohh, this, yeah, this is Grey te. Yeah, it's my clan, we wear this Just write it out. It's my culture, but it's also just like we're not that important in other people's weddings. Sorry to break it to you Unless you turn up wearing your navy Tiara, in which case you steal the show. Oh yeah You know what you should do, Ollie? You should keep one of those tuxedo t shirts in your back pocket at all times, just in case you have to go to a fancy event. My son had one of those when he was like six months old and it was really cute and I did think, I wish I had an all in one tuxedo It's not too late, you totally could At Zk Tk, we know being a healthy adult is like living in a video game. Every day has side quests, taxes, laundry, birthdays. And just when you're leveling up You have to book a doctor. The insurance portal crashes, they put you on hold. Your doctor doesn't take your plan Game over We see you. So we made booking a doctor easy. Download ZockDoc. search by specialty, insurance and availability. Book instantly. No cheat codes required. Find a doctor you love with ZockDooc. On the subject raised in answer me this four hundred four, what happens to your body when you donate it to science. We have heard from several of you, including Eodia, who says, I'm a Patreon subscriber at patreon dot com slash answer this. Thank you, Eodia, which means you're an absolute legend. Well done, Eodia. And an OG listener from two thousand seven or eight. Wow, eighteen years of service We should have a tiara for that. That's true, we should. I have an extremely clear memory of being sat in the library at university, listening to you on my iPod whilst ostensibly revising You guys have been in the background to a lot of my revision and I have done a lot of exams. I completed my last one earlier this year at the tender age of thirty five. Go me. Ilodia says, I have never sent a question in which is actually incorrect because I can see from our emails that she did. Oh, what did she send? It's quite a long one, but it is interesting. It's basically her boyfriend was shortlisted in the final of an international writing competition and the ceremony was on the same day as a wedding of a very good friend of theirs. So what should he do? Okay. H I mean, obviously we would give that the appropriate space and time, were to have comeut, which we didn't. We obviously didn't cover that story, because she doesn't remember saying it in. Yeah. And probably you know twelve years later, it doesn't really matter to Eodia or any of the other people involved Yeah. so in a way, go to the thing where you're gonna to get the prize, but I mean, Yeah atast you can put it on your CV. I know that she did also write in about famous Belgians because I've just dug out her email from twenty eleven. She gave a whole list of famous Belgians because we said there weren't any. I don't know if even we said it. I think maybe I was mentioning that when I was at school One of the teachers was picking on a kid from Belgium saying, who are the famous Belgians All right, okay. Yeah Teach mean It's a good list actually, like now I probably wouldn't have been that impressed with this list in twenty eleven, but now as a cultured forty four year old. Yeah. Her gay, author of the Tintin comic books, Marguerite, Rubens. Yeah. And Adolf Sax who invented the saxophone who I used to have a bit about in one of the illusionist live shows. He had this astonishingly difficult childhood where he just had loads and loads of near death experiences. Ohow. In between inventing instruments, he invented like the saax tubber as well, the saax trombone. But he had all these accidents like he fell into a massive frying pan, Th he fell out of a window. He once almost suffocated to death because one of his family had been revarnishing furniture and then the fumes nearly killed him overnight But he survived. How is he not the most famous Belgian?ike he deserves some compensation for all of What have they got John Clae Van Dam, Payo of the Smurfs, they should have him. He should be the most famous Belgian Bring back sex. Elodia is Brussels born and bred, so I think hopefully Elodia is pleased with the you being pleased by the list fourourteen years later. I'm now pleased all these years later, yes. ye Anyway, sorry, this is irrev to what she wanted to write in to say regarding a more recent thing. Well, Eodia says, I'm now a doctor and a mum, so I never have time to do anything oc But I'm currently stuck in hospital being treated for meningitis. Oh my go I can't see my child and I'm simultaneously extremely bored and extremely sad gosh. Mr. Sax could help you out with that. he's like, donon't worry, you'll survive. Look at me. Worse happened to me and I can play this consoling lament. Ilodia says, in response, your shout out to doctors or ex medical students who've performed anatomical studies on human remains. Oh yes, that's what we were talking about. Yeah. It's not only nice but important to humanise the remains. This is because otherwise people can forget what they're handling and can behave in ways which are not particularly thoughtful or respectful, which I did hear from a friend who's a doctor that at her medical school she complained about people doing the kinds of things that one fears when one leaves one's body to science. Yeah. Although I mean gallow' humour, isn't it? I think is permissible in certain circumstances among groups of people know, it's not for the public, is it? Probably some people who do donate their bodies to science wouldn't mind and would appreciate that that's a way of letting off some steam sometimes maybe. It's also not just Gallows humor, it's that these people are basically children who are right off doing adult stuff for the first time and your brain is like Silly mush Yeah, they can't all be ustrious academics at the age of thirty five like you Eodia. Elodia says nowadays we are warned off misbehaving in the anatomy lab with stories of students kicked out of medical school for nefarious behaviour, such as playing naghts and crosses on a cadaver Surely Hangman would be the one you'd want to play. Oh Whereas now, before ever entering the lab, we were given a lecture about the generosity of people who donate their body to science and the sacrifice their families make, as it means their remains cannot receive burial or cremation for three years after their donation. There is a yearly cathedral based celebration somewhere in London in honor of all of those who have donated their bodies to science that year, which their families can attend while waiting for their loved ones' remains to be released. We were told it's also open to anyone who works with human remains so they can pay their respects and we're encouraged to attend I wonder if that weird plastic guy goes G to von Haggins Yeah, he works with human remains, doesn't he?ee he's still alive Question Thvon Hagens He's certainly someone I could have watched Nitory for, you know? He he's still alive Eighty years old. I bet he's left his body to proastination. Bet he has. It would be hypocritical not to, wouldn't it? A bit. Oh, yes, he's got Parkinson's and after his death his wife will plastinate his body and it will enter the Body World's exhibition Okay, there we go. And he wants his remains to be in the entrance with his hands outstretched to greet visitors. Is he going to give himself a big flappy cocklay? That's the question. Surely, you'd think. Well, Eodia, we hope you're better now after sending this email. I'm not saying sending email cured you, I'm just hoping that the time that has elaped since you sent it. has involved some healing and rest, even though you do have a child in this medical career, neither of whichound restful. Totally We've also got this email on the same subject from Jess. I went to Manchester Medical schoolchool in two thousand nine, she says. And remember starting anatomy. We all filed into a large room to stand around our prospective tables covered in a sheet. The table was covered in a sheet, not them. They were playing at ghost roughly eight students per kada The tutor gently removed the sheet and we were introduced to the body we would become intimately familiar with over the course of the semester A few students left crying One accidentally going through a door where quote, spare cadavers were stored and cried even harder.. sitcom like isn't it? That happened to my mum once, not with a room full of dead bodies, but she locked herself in the kitchen to escape a mouse that the cat was chasing. Oh And then the mouse ran under the kitchen door and over her feet. Oh what a backfire. Fast forward a few weeks, says Jess, and we were elbow deep in cavities using the table as leverage with bone cutters on the sternum, carrying arms full of bowel to the large sink to clean out for closer inspection. That seems appropriate because you do have to become ery inured to what it is to working with human bodies if you're in the medical profession, right? Precisely. I mean, that is the point of the training, That's right. There was also a shocking week we arrived and the heads had gone to the dental students. Oh Yeah gotot to know the heads that must have felt weird. We didn't focus on the person being a person though, she says, as that wouldn't have facilitated such enthusiastic exploration. However, at the end of the semester, when we had gotten all learning we possibly could have, the university held a service for all those who donated their bodies. OkayK, so that's a bit like what Eodia was talking about And families as well as students and staff were invited, they became human again It she means figuratively. Oh gosh it wasn't like a resurrection. It's a seance Bring back the bells. I cannot rest And we were all grateful for their donation There was a time and place for sentimentality and it was at the end. But we had to go through a journey ourselves first before being able to get to that place. That's amazing. You've summed it up well, actually, Jess, because there's a lot of ground you've covered in those two paragraphs, but I get a very good sense of what that course was like. Absolutely. And yeah, what an emotional progression to go on that On that note, that is it From this new feedback strand of Answer Me this, if you would like to answer us back on anything we've discussed in any episode ever send them into the usual places and maybe one day we will read them out in between our proper episodes. The next answer me this where we answer your questions is onn the twenty seventh of november, twenty twenty five. So return to your pod feeds then. And it's still open for your questions so get them into the usual place right now. Yes, please. If you're a patreon of answers me this, then you get to attend our petty probleblems live stream where we answer your trivial non serious questions. 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