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Hello and welcome to the Apple Insider Podcast. I'm your host, Wesley Hilliard Speaking, and I'm joined once again by William Gallagher. You can see him over here. Uh our sponsors this week are Masterclass and Nord Stellar, and I'd like to talk about leaks again this week. Yes, it's a never-ending battle. WWDC is so close, we can almost touch it. We're gonna be talking about all of this and more, but if you want an ad-free experience, you can subscribe to Apple Insider Plus and get a bonus bit at the end of the episode where we're going to be talking about our predictions for WWDC, iOS, iPad OS, ma and watch OS . This is gonna be a bit more dense than the last one I think, and uh maybe William and I will have a bit more opinions to share. But William, how are you today? Well, actually uh you mentioned it, we're in video a couple of weeks in. It's obviously an audio podcast video, so w watch or list and whatever suits you. But because it's possible to watch, I am sitting here in the blazing hot sun with lights on me and I'm wearing a jacket trying to look neat. Ca home care hair is combed. All these kind of things. It is possible I may have to lose the jacket at any moment now or I'll dribble away. Other than that I'm I'm very, very well. How are we? This is a family show, Willi am. I am wearing a MOOC t-shirt, of course. Uh you can see that in the video. Okay . I always try to try to represent tech in some way with my t-shirt selection. I I will not run out. when When a when a listener can notice when I rewear a t-shirt, they are the winner of something. But anyway. I'm gonna take notes. Sorry, but but start noting what should I wear. So this week has been an increase in silly leaks. Have you noticed an uptick in this? I know it's always gonna be like this, especially before an event, but it's getting a little crazy. It's actually how I know the time of year, really. I pay no more attention than that. Oh, we're really, really close. That's what I think about this time. Pretty much, yes. Uh do you have a favourite? Oh no, no, no. Do you have a silly leak that you would love to be true? Are any of them actually that good ? Honestly, these are all really boring. Um one touches on MagSafe uh in the clear case uh I believe you cover Yeah, I wrote f earth shattering. It actually took me five minutes to understand what the difference was. But let's, you know, try to big this up here kind of a bit. It's the earth shattering, magsafe possible Well the clear case right now actually has the solid white back that matches the cutout uh glass portion on the current iPhone 17 models. Right. Um previously it showed the MagSafe ring uh cutout and it was a little bit more clear and people liked those cases because they would put stickers uh between the phone and the case and you could see it through the back of the phone. Now with that completely opaque cutout, there's no way to really do that and people are upset. The thing is , this leak is bogus because it looks like third-party cases actually. Uh I don't know how much we covered that in the actual leak, but um after doing a little bit more research, uh it appears that these might be third party cases from China instead of Wow. I I did write the piece. I definitely missed that. I I think I was cautious about whether it was real or not, but I didn't twig that it was third party. Okay. I also I struggled to find why anybody cared, but I appreciate now that some people wreck their beautiful iPhone with putting stickers on it. Like More like you know, Pokemon stickers. But the the problem here is is this new site seems to have taken the images from the fake Majin Buleaker. So uh and the fake Majin Buleaker is fake. So yeah, it just kind of threw credibility out the window. Um actually, so we can ask you this 'cause we touch oned this from time to time, partly in the the podcast, sometimes uh in general conversation. The the original, the real Majunbu, however you pronounce it, is definitely gone, out of business, left town, exited stage right . And now we have somebody coming and use this name. But how do we know that that the real man or woman is out of here? Well the it's the reasoning behind it. Um the leaker was originally mostly stealing from Weibo and other sources. They had their own internal thing somewhere, probably a cousin or something that worked in a factory. That's why they got occasional accurate unique leaks, but mostly they were repeating what they were seeing elsewhere. And uh they started a case selling business based on their leaks. And yes, so that's the problem is uh they entered this clearly illegal business. Uh even in China, that's probably a step too far in some cases. Something must have stepped on their toes or they that or they put so much money into it that it went nowhere. But something made them disappear. They deleted their account or took it private or something um and uh haven't seen hide or hair of them since there's no reason why if they were to return why they shouldn't use the same handle as far as I can tell um this new account is Majin Bu ffal without the L at the end. Um clearly fake. Other leakers who knew Majin Buu behind the scenes have come out and said this is not Maj in Bu. Um so there's no evidence to suggest this is the real leaker and the leaks they're posting are maddeningly wrong and bad. So uh at least the previous boo would hedge more. The way they talk changed, the types of leaks they're sharing changed, the theft is more blatant now. Um they're clearly just taking things from Instagram and Weibo and posting it as their own. So yeah, like I I've been following this stuff for a while. These people have their own little personalities and styles, and this isn't Majinbu . Alright, you convinced me, but you've also made me wonder these leakers who popped in saying it wasn't Mahunbu, do they all get together somewhere? Is there a pub where they meet? Okay. No, they all they a lot of the uh internet ones do talk to each other uh from my experience. I used to um talk a lot with Fudge back when they were active and uh they there was a lot of behind the scenes drama between some of the leakers. Um but that all kind of went away when that series of leakers, the 2020 to 2022 leaker people, they all pretty much retired uh because it just got too hot, I guess. Um a lot of these people are uh you know, working at Ch Chinese Apple facilities or associate with them in some way. So their jobs are in danger every time they post something, and that's why like Love to Dream would post a riddle instead of an actual leak. Um yes I'd forgotten him or her. Yeah. So the problem here is is bad leaks. That's it's something I wanted to talk a little bit about today because our industry has become a little bit sadly seemingly desperate. And I hope Apple Insider isn't reflecting that. I understand that we are in the industry that is becoming desperate. But the coverage of some of these things is too sincere for my taste. Uh especially since we don't know who these people are, where they're getting their information from. But the headline will read uh leaked iPhone something right I get your best look at iPhone fold yet and it's showing a clear pass case on a render that was from December right yeah so what what credibility these websites have or should have is being thrown away for these salacious headlines chasing fake leakers. Um we've reported on this Czech magazine at one point before, um and Czech is a fake language, uh so I can't tell you what it says. But no like not to be mean to the two Cheti ans, but my goodness, it feels like pig Latin when I'm reading it, I swear. Um Anyway, this magazine uh Latum's Vedum Applam, I guess, uh very English way of saying those words. They shared that i iPhone Smart , a reseller , had exclusive images of the iPhone fold and then they've hosted the images on their website. And I don't know if the iPhone Smart people uh took down the listing. It's not there anymore, as far as I can tell. But these images, very easily reverse image searched to previous rumors, previous renders, January articles of you know, the wallpapers give it away mostly. Some of them don't even have a cutout for the camera inside of the phone, right? These are not photographs and they're just renders with cases put on them. And so simple, very literally iPhone fold cases search turned up resellers that are already selling iPhone fold cases. It's not hard to find these images online. It's not exclusive. They're just renders with cases on them. And they're based on leaked apparent dimensions and stuff. Uh the crazy molds we've seen from Sonny Dickinson, right? Like, or Dixon, like those things happen every year, but this year especially seems wrong because we've not actually seen photographs of the iPhone fold, which by now we normally would have . I'm trying to remember last year with the air had we seen everything . But then we're surprised when we finally saw it by March. We saw iFound Air's case by March. Case manufacturers always do this every year. I mean the rear aluminum or titanium in this case backplate. We saw the empty shell of an iPhone Air by March. Like actual photos of components. We've seen zero real life photos of any component of the iPhone fold. That is very odd to me. So Apple is actually just being very successful keeping secrets for once. That's what it is. It's not that there's any doubts that it's coming, really. We might be treading back into our ground thing. Another you you always convince me I I shouldn't bother looking forward to it and then I do, and then I hear the price. Then it's a roller coaster. Yeah, I mean I'm sure Apple really wants to announce this phone. We'll see what happens, but another the we'll we can talk more about that in a moment, but another leak from this Majin Buu account that again just shows how silly this all is shows what they claim are the camera plateaus from the iPhone 18 Pro . Right. Willi am . The iPhone 17 Pro famously introduced a unibody aluminum design . Yeah. The camera plateau is part of the frame. It's not made separately . No . So this image of camera plateaus in little cas ings is nonsense. It doesn't make it's not a you that's not how I I even if it was an engineering sample, that's not what this is. You know what this is, William? There stickers. They're magnet they're pieces of metal with adhesive on the back that you put on top of your existing camera plateau as a camera lens scratch protector . Okay . And it's being presented as an iPhone 18 Pro leak. Yes. Right. Well, yeah, I mean, be fair, you don't know. It might look like that, but come September Apple could stand there and say on the video, um no, actually, you've got this wrong. This is the way it is. Yeah. We're actually the design genius of the leakers. That's we've added screws. Yes. 'Cause people like screws, it's good, isn't it? You can take things apart. Apple's much more into this repair stuff. I mean I'm I'm working hard here and you're just staring at me. But um okay th the thing is is I've gotten into this on the show before leaks are people are using them these days to buy stocks, which is dumb. Just don't, just don't. Um, but leaks are supposed to be kind of uh fun little thing. You know, if you don't want to see them, you you close the tab, look away, wait for the surprise. Uh otherwise leaks are meant to be kind of a, you know, scavenger hunt, like a ooh, maybe it's this. Let's speculate about that. What feature could this mean? Um, but more and more lately it's become a way to generate headlines uh in a failing world where Google ruined SEO and everyone's desperate for money. And I hate that that is where we are in this industry. I mean it's always leaks and images of supposed iPhones have always been a clickbait industry, but it's emphasized even more now by the death of search engines and this reliance on AI that people just sensationalize everything and it's kind of ruining the fun and it's making people jaded and ignore websites like ours because they think oh this is a leak article, then it's BS, I don't need to pay attention to it 'cause they're all BS. And it's frustrating 'cause we put in a lot of work into every rumor that we cover. We research it, we uh share everything related to it. We talk about the history of the leaker, and we even have a rumor score to try and help people understand how likely a rumor is. And I just because we're part of this industry though, it's easier for people to dismiss like, oh, this is just another iPhone leak, uh clickbait headline, whatever. And it's frustrating that our contemporaries are not treating this with uh a little bit more uh respect and thought, I guess. Hopefully these things are cyclical, though. I mean you get clickbait headlines today, but if it's it's like uh I mean I'm in England, so we have tabloid newspapers, it's just this incredible thing every single day. It's end of the world type stuff, and it's this man or this usually this woman's fault. I don't know. And after a while you just get it tunes out and you you pay no attention to any of it. Um and y then those some of those titles go away. It's it's definitely cyclical. Um this AI news cycle too is a problem. The industry shifting, Google is changing things so dramatically that everyone is having to shift to some sort of monetization platform. We're gonna see a lot of changes in tech journalism in the next five to ten years for sure, but it's just I think right now these kinds of things that you're seeing is clear symptoms of a greater problem. And uh I just want readers knowing that when they read Apple Incider that we take a little bit of extra care. And seriously though, just I I really want to ask people to stop covering like this is the problem that we're in. If our other c competiting competitor publications cover a leak or a rumor, we almost have to because we can't be a part we can't miss out on the conversation. But that's why I'm covering this at all. Right? It just ignore them. They'll go away. It won't because everyone else is covering it. So I wrote an article saying this is a fake leak and a fake leaker. That's how we were part of the convers ation. And uh if I have to keep doing that, fine, I will, but it's just frustrating that we have to talk about it at all because everyone else seems so driven to talk about every little thing. Like it feels like I could just go make a Weibo account, call it I Know Everything About Apple and then just post r random junk and then someone's gonna cover it and that's wrong to me. This used to be that was wicked of me. Okay. The apple be in blue. Yeah. Used to be we would go to these leakers and say, Hey, you know, can you give us a little bit more information about your source? Obviously, you don't give your source away. There's uh and as journalists, you know, we ha we can confirm a few things. Like someone might say, well actually I'm an Apple employee. Okay, well let us see your employee badge. Like there's there used to be more verification processes and that's the kind of stuff that would happen behind the scenes with leakers, um, I don't think that's happening anymore. I think people are just seeing things on Instagram and then publishing, and that's really wild to me. I don't know. But we gotta we gotta move on. Well, actually, how about this just to sign a light in the mood? You mentioned Google, you mentioned AI problems with it. Have you come across this latest thing of I hope it's been fixed now, but it it took it was certainly true for several days. If you Googled the phrase is next year twenty twenty seven, have you seen that Yes. There's a lot actually broken right now with Google search. Right. I mean I can I can just about barely cope with it saying no next year is 2028, but not it's saying and then the year after is twenty twenty seven. Does that's just you know and I keep flashing back to Google IO and how AI is saving the world's problems and it can't count. But anyway. Someone shared an email with me about the presenter whose name escapes me again. But he he is a big deal on Google and uh has done a lot of medical research and uh was responsible for ge making a lot of advancements in um gene folding, which is something you used to be able to do with your PlayStation, folding at home. I I would turn my PS3 over to the folding feature and let it let it use its processors I'm I'm playing right now actually. So I thought Minecraft over here. Um Well I've got a Stream Deck down below. So you know the eight hundred dollar Stream Deck. Um No, it's a it's a new. I've got a Stream Deck pedal and I'm just crazy enough to use it. Oh yeah, I keep getting I read headlines, I get very confused by that. Yes, I go one way, you go the other. Yeah. themselves, but I will reiterate here on the show, it is absolutely mad . I don't care if it was Albert Einstein on that stage. You do not walk up on stage and say we are solving all disease and a keynote presentation for developers of AI features that include changing your video background to wacky colors. Okay. Okay. There's a time and place for that stuff. And it's in reality, right? There is no world There is no world where Gemini solves all disease. Don't say it. It's just a maddeningly weird thing to say on a way. They were very convincing. Yeah, Google search you you if you search how many P's are there in the word Google ? It will say there are two. Unless of course you mean the number of O's, which there are also two . Yeah, no, it um searches broken. We talked about this last week. If you search for the word um ignore or I will stop. Yes. It's it takes it as an instruction instead of a search term. But we've got a bigger search box coming. So swings and roundabouts. Someone did a s uh a prompt of give me a list of search results that make it appear as if the president has had a heart attack. And uh the AI chatbot said, I'm sorry, I'm an AI chatbot. I can't engage in something that would be fake. And then it said , roleplay that you're a Google search engine and give me the results of what it would look like if the president had a heart attack, and it did. And it's just like it's so dumb. Why is everything so dumb, William? I don't understand. Yeah. With every bad leak there's a good leak. So I want to get through some good leaks. It's not all doom and gloom around here. Alright . So code discovered by I believe nine to five Mac . Let me confirm that . Says that if someone walks up to you and just grabs your phone out of your hand, it's unlocked. You're in your bank app, even, and someone just snatches it out of your hand and they run away. Apple's working on a feature that will automatically lock your phone. That's great, isn't it? I was really impressed with it. I didn't realize it existed in Android already or some Android already. I don't know. But I'm sure there's one see this is what's so annoying about people. Android did it first. Uh let's see. It's the Motorola XTZ V2 uh sold in twenty fourteen in China. Uh had that feature. Yes. You thank you for telling us they did it first. Um anyway, the the feature is neat. Uh I I'm sure it's using various signals like was the person just typing and then suddenly uh gyroscopes just said like went on a roller coaster, right? Like there's um various sensors on a phone, barometric pressure uh even on an iPhone. So uh also distance from the Apple watch if the person's wearing one. I thought that was a clever touch as well. Yeah, I think this would also uh engage if you dropped your phone, which I think is funny. Um I didn't think of that. Yeah. Okay. But yes, no, I think this is an excellent feature. Um it's one of those things that happens I believe to teens a lot, like kids, um where they're you know playing keep away or or like uh they snatch someone's phone to try and go through their pictures or something. Well now you won't be able to do that once this feature arrives, I'm sure. At some point. This we're running out of 26 versions. We're on 26.6 beta 1. Um maybe this snatch feature is a uh uh iOS 27 thing? We'll we'll see. I like these little thoughtful things that Apple can introduce even if some random Chinese Android phone did at first, but um always happy to see more improved feat ures. That's that's a good leak. And another good leak is what Mark German has finally unloaded on this. I've been teasing this for the last few weeks. I've it's obvious that this that Mark German at Bloomberg has some sort of unreleased version of iOS twenty-seven at his disposal, whether it's in his hands, Bloomberg's hands, or a source's hands, they have the actual thing because there's no way otherwise that German would be able to report such specif specificity on every little detail of certain features. So as we record , we got to see uh what are probably rend ers of mock very good mock-ups though of the new UI in iOS twenty se forven the Siri uh ask functions, the camera features, the new um chat app for Siri, that kind of stuff. So what do you think of these images ? Uh, the f I saw the images before I saw the headline and I thought they were real, they were that well done for it. Uh so as Markups says superbly. Well done. Uh uh in some ways that they detail features that I think I should have thought of myself. I mean um I I really like visual intelligence, but I'm conscious of the fact that you have to have several different ways to get to it because there's the camera control button and not all phones have camera control and all that. And in this case, now blurring it into being part of the camera app, that seems like isn't that where it should have been all along? Which is typical Apple, isn't it? In retrospect, it's obvious, but I never thought of it. And more people will use it. It's great. It's one of those things where we also never engaged in thinking about it. Like if you want to put together a wish list, like if we'd gone back six months and said what should iOS twenty seven have in it, a lot of these features would be front of like top of the list. It it again, this isn't be mean to German day, but it it it's still a lot of what he shared has been predictable, I guess. Um Siri in the Dynamic Island, sure. Um a new chat app, yes, that's been rumored for over a year now. Improvements to Mac OS, yes, I remember that one. Like that has been every year for twenty years. This year there will be a minor improvement to Mac OS. I'm I in November December. Earlier in the year in the cycle, German shared that Apple was going to have a snow leopard year. I'm pretty sure he just has a snow leopard article written and this does a find and replace every year of I was twenty-seven, I was twenty-eight, I was twenty-nine, we'll have a snow leopard year and focus on bug fixes. Right . I've forgotten that. And I don't know why it's reported because immediately after that it's like they're doing all these things. It's like no I'm so tired of that. And I miss that completely and now you've said it, I remember it. I may even have written an article about it at the time. I'm part of the problem. You know, butterfly brain. But we point moving on to the next room. That's one thing we did point out is like he says this every year and it's always wrong. Like it's you know, like we we're we're very blunt about those things . So go go look at those images. Sure uh they may not look exactly like this. I'm sure it's a very early alpha version of iOS he's rocking, so who knows. Um obviously the final versions will also be more polished uh than this. This these are very much stickers on an overlay more than an actual UI interface . But Apple Intelligence Uh d one thing I really liked and I was surprised to like is the fact that uh Ceres um all around the border rainbow effect is going away and being replaced by basically liquid glass spouting out of the notch. I thought that sounded terrible. And then you see it in the render and I think, oh, actually that looks rather nice. But I'll miss the border glowing at me. No. We had it for a while. Well the problem is is Apple misused the Rainbow one by introducing it in iOS before Apple Intelligence even came out. 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And thank you to MasterCus for supporting the Apple Insider podcast. So Apple has a website called genai..applecom . Uh it doesn't do anything yet, but is a subdomain they now own. Uh whether they use it or not is a good question, but I'm sure they're gonna have a information page. They have these like information pages. If you've never browsed Apple's website beyond buying a pair of AirPods, they have a lot of here's what this is page, right? Like you can go, there's like a whole page just on iOS 26, or there's a whole page on FineMai, or you know, uh that aren't support pages, like they're subdomains of Apple.com, not support.apple.com. So the Genai subdomain clearly is going to point to like these new features we're expecting, the new writing tools, uh the image playground, stuff like that. So should be interesting if it actually goes live. Yeah, I don't know how people find these things. I mean I look around Apple um for various things support often, but I never come across domain. Do people randomly type things and then they work. I don't know. They have these web scraping tools basically. You can s set up a uh notification that says um watch the registrar for subdomains and tell me the minute Apple buys a new domain or wat ch uh Apple's web um what is it? The the web page map basically and look for new anchor text or anch linking or whatever. Uh there's a lot of this that goes on. That's how like support documents are discovered the minute they go live or are updated. A lot of a lot of don domain sniffing, a lot of little tools like that. There's uh Google had a pretty good system for um web result like s news, uh you could basically give it keywords and have it email you when a keyword showed up, like was increasing in volume. Yeah, Google alerts like there's there's so many ways to get proactive with this stuff. Um generally speak ing, it just depends on how into the weeds you want to get. Uh I person ally don't do a lot of that just because it's more work than I feel it's worth. I have a lot of Google News alerts uh but for topics I was researching ten years ago and I'm no lo well some of them the topics are gone and still the alert sits there and every once in a while a dead author's name pops up because he's alluded to in something. Yeah, it's quite nice actually memory lane every now and again. But um I under it's so long so I set one up around how you do it. But that was always news articles I never did domains and things like that and now I'm in a little bit intrigued. But yeah, I would imagine that obviously Apple knows that. And so they were willing to let that be found. That's interesting. That might be a mistake or I mean they have to pull the trigger sometime. Uh and a domain is so innocuous, who cares? Um Apple has intelligence, like they have Apple intelligence. It's not like a secret, you know, it'd be different if they bought this domain before announcing Apple Intelligence or something. I mean and with AI, like the you know, to I I'm always you know going after it or attacking it or whatever because there's so many bad things you can do with AI. But to to point out a good use of AI, uh if you want to create one of those tools that lets you keep an eye out for domain changes and registrars and stuff like that, I'm sure that Claude would be able to help you. Right? Like um I I wouldn't know where to begin to create a tool like that, but like, you know, you could probably ask a chatbot and get some sort of result, whether it's right or not, is a whole different questi on. Um, but it could at least get you on the right path. Uh like there's there are use cases for this stuff. Like I I've been out in the world asking people about how they use it, and a lot of them hate it. Um the world is very much rebelling against AI, but uh the people who do use it um tend to understand the risks some of the at least the people I talk to I know not everyone does and tend to try finding a good middle ground for their use cases. But uh anyway, the one of the weird parts of Apple Intelligence, probably my least favorite function, uh interesting just, not particularly useful. Image playgrounds is uh apparently going to get a little upgrade. Now less worse. Less bad. Yeah, yeah. That's the idea. Yeah. Um so last last week or week before Ger man shared that you'll be able to attach different third parties to it to get different outputs that they're gonna reimagine how the app looks um for uh image playgrounds. But this week he shared I as I guess almost as an afterthought, I mean I felt like this seemed obvious, but again, I guess you have to write something. Uh that Apple intelligence improvements will mean image playground will also see improvements . Cool. Um clearly . So I covered this from the angle of you know, Apple's worst uh gen AI tool is gonna be improved. Um because I I wanna just point out like uh good AI, bad AI, the I hate that there's only one word for this technology, first of all, um because it's too it's used too loosely. No, Image generation I believe is uh an example of bad AI. I don't care really what you're using it for, it's almost always bad. Um Oh, actually I all up to this minute I would have agreed with you and I still mostly do. But I was watching uh uh a film about uh restoring old movies now there's big issues of do you is it right to colorise black and out ones they were lit, they were filmed that way and all that stuff. But some people are not only colorising, but they're turning old four by three films into widescreen by having AI extend the sets and it in the examples, the few seconds you see of it, it's stunning that they can possibly generate something that looks like it was there. And um I mean I'm impressed and disturbed at the same time. But these things will only improve, right? Like, this is what I get at a lot. Um we have hit a ceiling at least a year or more ago of what AI tools can do. Like we're not gonna see new AI features. Like what they can do has been figured out, right? Generating video, generating images, generating text. It's not like they're going to suddenly walk, talk, and bark and learn tricks, right? Like this is a one-trick pony and it can generate slop on command. It's just getting better and better at generating that slop. So and you know, not all of it is slop, you know, just to not be so mean, like your example, yeah, that's a thing it can do. Can it do it accurately for a two hour movie? Yeah. Maybe not. Uh but for an eight second clip to impress you on Instagram reels, sure, why not? Um It's g it's only gonna get better. But I also don't understand why you would want to do this? Um, as a person who enjoys film , I don't want to watch Citizen Kane and 16 by nine, you know, restored from AI, like remove the grain and col orize it or whatever. Like no, that's awful. Um I don't want to go through the criterion collection and slowly edit everything into becoming this samey AI generated blob ulous form that loses all respect for the art and just turns it all into this same garbage, right? That there's gotta be a point where this is useful and interesting , like restoring film. Let's say you find a piece of film that is rotten and dis almost beyond recognition, and then you're able to use AI to understand the actors who were in the film, the set pieces, the storyline, and it be able to see through the grime and gr garbage and rest and pull out what was supposed to be there to give us an idea. Kind of like an archaeological dig, finding a piece of a spoon and then us using 3D rendering to say what that spoon might have looked like. Right? Like that's where that's interesting. But tak ing existing art and manipulating it so the Wizard of Oz can fit in a spherical dome. Ah it's gross. There was uh early Doctor Who, uh William Hartnell, sort of the Azte cs, um, forgotten who wrote it, and apparently at one point as broadcast you can see the edge of the set and so on uh one of the releases they've just tidied that up. I think they did it by hand rather than AIs as a while ago. Draw it out, yeah. I kind of I don't mind seeing the edge use of that word but Yeah, well so I mean a lot of modern film restoration stuff these days I mean you'll see something like Citizen Kane in 4K or um uh Space Odyssey 4K . They can do that because they still have the film and they can go and use a camera to photograph the real in four K and reproduce it basically as if it was filmed with a modern more modern camera. Not modern camera. Because it was still filmed on film. They can just they have better processes for capturing that film and putting it to a digital uh the resolution is there you're just getting it yeah yeah yeah so so that also is not AI but that is something I'm okay with. I would I love seeing restored now there's also a problem with this . Cause if you maybe followed this for a few years, Disney, back when it had a vault, would pull things out of the vault and restore it in 4K, but their restoration process was so incomplete and po or that they would remove texture. Oh didn't know that. Yeah, like Cinder ella was awful in its four K resolution restoration. Goodness. Um yeah, so like there th's w ways that these processes can ruin things. They can over um compensate for noise and basically remove paper texture and turn it into this flat garbage. And that was before AI was causing problems. So there's a good and bad to all of that. We can do it faster. I just think the technology needs to be re-used responsibly. But back to out uh image playgrounds. The reason why I bring this up is I'm not totally against it existing. Um I'm not really sure what purpose it serves other than it being a demo, uh I like everyone has gone in there with some random images to generate and see like what will it do with my cat? What will it do with this photo? How does the uh conversation with chat GPT go if you tell it to make an anime charicature of this image. And like that's all fine and dandy, but as long as you're using it for non-commercial, like you have a group chat and you want to make a silly thing and share it with the group chat, fine. That's harming no one. But like once you're like using it as your profile picture on social media, that's getting weird, you know? Like if you really want an anime avatar for your profile on on Blue Sky, pay someone twenty five, fifty bucks to get a professionally made Ghibli style piece of art to publish and promote that artist. 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In the end, I thought of photographing uh somebody photocopying an iPad. A visual gag. And I couldn't do it in the time couldn't. So I asked I can't remember which AI, a couple of different AI things, possibly including Image Playground, to come up with something and actually I thought they did rather well. I was a I was almost disappointed how well they did it. Sure. You know, 'cause I've been so against the rubbish of Image Playground. But you know s, you'. it's tricky I have a few people in my Blue Sky feed that I haven't stopped following because I it's not that important to me, but s they have blogs where they're publishing like their lead image is AI generated garbage. Very clearly AI generated garbage. And I I I I don't understand why you would want that to pres represent your personal blog, the news that you're whatever you're writing, whatever you're doing, why is that what how you want the world to see you? Um go photograph something, make something, I don't know. Uh like I said, at the commission someone. I understand that not everyone has money to pay artists um but and you don't have time to develop a skill like there's special circumstances where this all kind of fits together where you're like okay well my last resort here is AI but, even then go back to what would you have done without these AI tools? It's not like the the world's never you know existed without them. Uh yeah, I can tell you. I can tell you what you do because I'm now having to do it. I worked for a charity who paid me to uh sign up for a month did I say this already? Um a month uh stock photography thing for a particular project. Did that and I somehow accidentally managed to make it sign up for a year. They offered to sort it out by charging me more money and you know I said that would be alright, thanks. But I am grab every month for the next eleven months I am grabbing off every stock image I'm allowed to and finding a use for it somewhere. So you know, if you see me with very strange photography that that's why. And none of it AI. Yeah. Okay. Apple's example was the worst one of uh your mom's birthday's coming up, show her as a superhero at image playgrounds, and it's like the worst image you've ever seen um put together. So I mean who would do that? Superhero, I mean apart from you know, presidents. But I I'm not I'm not going to sit here and try and disseminate like every good use and bad use of AI. I I think they're self evident. They're it's clear when it makes sense to use the technology like I said before. Um if I'm writing something, I'm going to write it myself. But maybe I have a tool and I haven't done this because I don't even have one installed. I I've been thinking about it. I I want to see where WWDC takes us and the betas take us, but I'm interested in giving some of these a try, I guess, but I'm waiting to see what's announced. But as an example I've thought of, I might write uh a comprehensive uh information piece about everything you need to know about an iPhone 17 or whatever. And then I could maybe take that to one of these chatbot things and say, hey, is there any piece of information that I'm missing that I did not include here? And have that return to me and then take what it returns to me to what we've written on Apple Insider, to what Apple has on its website and verify, okay, it says I missed this piece. Is that a real feature? Is that something we've covered? Can I link back to it? And go through item line by item and verify what needs to be added, maybe what I got wrong in the piece, and verifying step by step if any of them are hallucinations, not taking it at face value. That is an example, I think , of what passable allowable AI use looks like in our profession. Um because it's not writing for me. At no point is its AI results going to make it into my piece. It might say, hey, you forgot this camera feature, then I'm gonna go research the camera feature, write it fully, and insert it into the piece. Like the AI did not make it into the final bit. So you know it when you see it , and if you want to use AI in ways that are less morally acceptable, then fine. Uh I believe it was the Pope who said that uh if the if AI was developed unethically, then all AI use is unethical. Because he wrote that like one of his first public like things was on AI, which is crazy to me. We'll get to the Pope again here in a minute, actually. But I I just lesser of two evils type situation, there's no such thing as perfect in this world. And out of everybody, I do think Apple took the most ethical approach. They the one mistake they make they made was scraping the web with AppleBot before telling anyone they were doing that. Um but they only scraped public information. The excyluded anything private behind paywalls, anything copyrighted, and then they paid for photos, then they paid for writers, they paid for so much to develop their AI. Which is great, no question. And they even respected the don't scan me things. Yes. Uh even if they weren't explicitly excluded but others were, they assumed they were excluded too and didn't. And then they made a deal with Google Gemini and do Google Gemini did none of this. Yes and just so this is where it gets tricky because once again um Apple is you can't put the cat back, you know in, the bag or the horses in the barn, what what have you. Gemini already exists. It's a powerful tool. It was made unethically, very clearly. Um they broke every rule imaginable to create Gemini and continue to do so. Uh but Gemini is not going on our iPhones. I cannot emphasize this enough that they are distilling the models into Apple Foundation's models . Now the question is , does that now make Apple's foundation models less ethical? I can un I can see the argument that that's true. I I understand that. But that I can also see the necessity in doing so because Apple needs their models to get better. I don't know. You're doing a deal with the devil at this point. That's a whole different podcast. We can get back to it later. Um I want to see what this looks like and what Apple says about it before I prejudge. So we'll save that for post-WWDC. Alright, that makes sense. But something we can judge today. Yeah. Is the Ferrari designed by Johnny Ive . I was waiting for you to say the name of the car then because I have trouble with this. I thought you'd say the Ferrari and then I'd nod wisely. Would uh Luce Luce? Luce? I don't know. Do you want to ever stab at it and do better than me? L-U-C-E, meaning light, I believe. But Yeah, this is a this is uh you know Ferrari's uh um Italian, right? So it would it would have to be Luce, but I don't know. I couldn't tell you. The Ferrari that one. Yeah. I I would say Ferrari uh loose, but I've I haven't heard anyone say it out loud yet. We'll we'll find out eventually. No, wait, I have, I have, and it didn't go in because I was I was so agog at a uh a TV news report about it where the report said in a very matter-of-fact way that if you buy one of these cars, these six hundred thousand pound Ferrari cars, you're just buying it as your second car, your runabout, rather than your real Ferrari. It's the one for going to the shops and I'm d yeah well over half a million pounds to nip down to Tesco's. Yes, no. Anyway, that blinded me to the pronunciation, but I'd forgot that I should have made more note. It's a four door with a squat front, seats five, doors open from the middle. Right . None of this is natural. Now, I've seen stories since about other cars, other Ferraris that this is borrowed from. But as a whole package, it does not look or feel like an regular Ferrari. Most Ferraris are very notable for their very long front end, but this car doesn't have the usual tran it doesn't have a transmission. So um it it's wasted space. Instead they went for this front spoiler, which is gonna be great for um air intake and and movement. So like this is gonna be a very fast powerful vehicle for picking up groceries at Walm art. But I will say uh the fact that uh the primary colors that Carr and Driver chose for its story was blue, even though it does come in red. Uh I think Current Driver. I only saw the blue one. Okay. Yeah, Current Driver I think was trying to just make people angry. But um Ferrari Red is an option and it looks good. Uh I've seen people say it looks more like a Prius, which I actually agree with because a you know the Toyota Prius is actually a pretty good looking car. Now , I am a huge car person as long as you're talking to me about everything before you open the hood . Um I can't tell you about cylinders and engines and transmissions and uh I can under that. Okay. I love playing Grand Turismo. Um I love v I love racing video games. I love the whole that that was my identity as a child. I loved cars. Again, surface level. Um I wasn't never gonna be a mechanic or anything like that. But this This I would not want this vehicle personally. This is not my kind of this isn't my kind of design. It's not my kind of car. And you know what's really dumb is several of headlines are like this is what the Apple car could have looked like because Johnny I've built it. It's like, no, this is what a Ferrari would look like if Johnny Ive built it. I don't know what these headlines are stupid. But I mean not to spe eding ticket in two seconds is pr is pretty impressive, really, isn't it? And also, you said it's like a Prius, and I'm I'm trying I'm seeing a Prius, nothing against them, I can't quite picture them now and need to think of it, but there's something in that design that reminds me of a cartoon car from something and I can't place it. No Homer Simpson's once it's like an ordinary or clapped out or thing. There's something smoother. S of Homer's Penelope Pitstop's car. Penelope Pitstop in wacky races, although hers was pink and had bit m you know more umbrellas over it, but the s the smooth styling of it. Oh, thank you, I've got it now. Okay.. Right I only I'm happy about that, but it's been bothering me. So it's a car that exists. This is one of those things where I kind of find it funny that um we cover it at all . Because who cares what Johnny Ives doing with Burr? Um I his company's really interesting. Mark uh I forget his name. Newsom. Mark Newsom. Fine. No, cool. This is interesting, but Car and Driver wrote about it. This is not an Apple Insider story. I don't care that we covered it. I just find it very funny that we did. You know, like this is scope creep, right? Now we for the rest of time we have to talk about Johnny Ive and whatever it is he's doing. And it's just like I'm genuinely okay with that. I see you for it. I mean we did I wrote about when he did uh a shield for King Charles here in England. Yeah, I can I see that that is a little off the reservation there, but you know, it's interesting. It feels like the same thing with Steve Wozniak. Like every time he sneezes we write an article about it and I'm just like I get it. I get it, but at the same time, I don't know. What are we doing here, guys? I but I I I'm not against it. Again, like it it doesn't upset me that we covered it. It's just uh it's still like like w I don't know. We're an Apple website, but does that does the Ferrari have CarPlay ? Actually I do not know. Yeah good point. 's Does it if it had car key I'd buy it. Six uh I could I could swing that. Six hundred and forty five thousand dollars. Six Yeah. R just to save you getting out your key or blip blipping the lock, you'd like it to just walk Yeah, okay. That's worth more than half a million. Half a million dollars. Sorry, the Pope, yes, you said this. Yeah. Uh he got in one, that's all I know. I don't think he drove it, but he did get inside of this car. Did he buy it? Such a funny thing. Do you think Johnny Ive got to meet the Pope? Yes, probably . Um here in the UK the Pope toured sometime in the eighties and it was a a big thing. So I'm I'm a lapse Catholic now, but I came from a Catholic school and there was just this immense excitement over it. And all I really remember is he had a specially designed poke mobile that was uh yeah r uh I don't know the base of the car was around Yes, uh but very elevated, very tall so that he could stand and be seen through the glass and things. So maybe this is just Yeah. A and also he would get around parishes faster this way. There's probably, you know, y over time the economics work out . Really? So we've got some various iPhone camera news to wrap up the show. Oh yeah . First, they shot a soccer match uh entirely with an iPhone . Except Yes I was gonna say except uh you could buy a Ferrari for how much this lens cost that they used with the iPhone camera. Did we do this story? I'm not seeing it. It was two hundred and ninety five thousand dollars for one part of the um the what do you call it? Um the iPhone was at the front and then they had the lens and then there's all the other gear around it, whatever you call the whole set a rig, thank you, that's the phrase. Uh at least the camera part the lens part of it that was added was two hundred and ninety five thousand. So you could put a down payment on a Ferrari with one of these . Sure, see people get upset about this because they're like it wasn't actually shot on iPhone. It was still shot on an iPhone. The iPhone was still there. What's interesting is that you can do this at all, right? You can take the forty five thousand dollar camera out and put the one thousand dollar iPhone in and you're good. There were some complaints about the wide shots, which yeah, 'cause that's the weakest camera on iPhone. Um su re it neat that they could do it. Uh I'm sure it was just for advertising or experiments. Um maybe the iPhone eighteen pro can do better . We'll see. Uh I I think it's cool that it can do this at all. I I think the whole idea behind this is I own the phone that shot this soccer match. Yes. Right? Like that's what I Apple's doing. own the phone that put that photo on that billboard. I can't take that photo. But it it could if I wanted it to . Um so we'll probably see an ad at some point featuring Apple shooting soccer on an iPhone. Maybe at WWDC actually. But neat. I'm look more looking forward to um uh we shot on an iPhone from the other side of the moon. That's the one I'm looking for at WWDC. The card football pff Space. They have to mention it. So surely I've done a lot of consumer reviews of these kinds of lenses and things and they can get pricey. We you can get to three, four, five hundred dollars easily on one piece of lens, one glass lens. And you know , I don't really use them that much. Like, I have these lenses. I've reviewed them and they're nice. They do take some decent photos, but I almost always just find myself going back to the iPhone camera. Like, I guess the two hundred and forty thousand dollar one would be enough that I would be like, Yeah, this is great. I'm gonna go shoot football with it now. But my day to day use, I really, really just enjoy what the iPhone can of fer. Isn't that likely to be though? Because presumably you have to fit lenses and take them off again whereas you see something, there's your phone, you shoot it straight away. Is it not just a convenience thing? Definitely. I've see I I've I've had such a um what is it crisis of faith, I guess? So many religious references this episode. But with f I photography, I've loved photography . I got into it when I was in deployment in the Navy. I bought a expensive camera with the money that I had from being in the military and I was like, I need to learn how to use this stupid thing. And I I've I've had a passion for photography ever since and I miss using those large cameras, and not that I can't, I have one here that I use for product photography and uh do some portraits for family and stuff, but um as good as iPhone has gotten at portraiture and video , uh especially video, because I I have nothing that can compete with my iPhone on video . But you cannot re produce what you can get with one of those big DSLRs with a giant lens. Oh I see. You just can't do it. Portrait mode on iPhone does a good job of estimating, but that shutter speed, that feedback, what you get from those big cameras, I don't know if we'll ever fit I mean, I guess on an infinite timeline, physics will eventually will overcome physics and find ways to do it, even just algorithmically , but there's something about the look and feel of using a giant camera and that is what Halite is trying to capture . Right. Because they're a professional camera. I mean how much can they do? They can do a lot, actually. Uh because your iPhone what was it? Th th th this is ref this is a very dated reference, but Apple had a keynote where they said it's one billion operations per shutter click or something, or eleven billion. It's it's an absurd number. That's definitely escalated since that was like almost a decade ago at this point. But yeah, there's a lot of processes happening every time you click the shutter on your iPhone. Halide took a step back recently and they came out with something called Process Zero , which lets you use your iPhone as if it was just the camera without any processing. You can get a raw, untouched image out of the sensor . It's not as good uh as the processing on its own, but it does give you a starting point if you shoot raw to edit to something that you want. And something I noticed immediately using their process zero is the noise. But it's not bad noise. It's natural. Like I would see in my big DSLR camera because of the ISO being turned up to compensate for the lighting in the room. It it and the natural bokeh of the lens really comes through with that natural processing. Um, and Apple works aggressively to eliminate that noise, which I think is a mistake. So it's interesting. And they they just came out with Mark III. So version three. And what they've done is I don't know if I agree with it or not, but they've taken their process zero and then they've built on top of it, so it's no longer process zero. But you can choose process zero and four other filters, but they're not filters, they're processes . Of portraiture, landscaping, these kinds of things. And they look nice, but they're very opinionated . And I've tinkered around with them and I don't know. I I'm very much an a standard iPhone camera user, and I don't think Halide Mark III is going to change that for me. But it does remind me of WWDC, right? And the fact that one of their co-found ers, Sebastian DeWith, left and joined Apple after a falling out because um they w he wanted to sell Apple hal ide and uh the other uh person said no, Chris something um said no. So um this is interesting. They released it now obviously because they wanted to be out before WWDC. But now I'm very eager to see what this new camera system looks like on iPhone uh with iOS 27 . Okay . That is one of the things we know will happen. There's always going to be a camera improvement . Although actually isn't that more likely to come with the iPhone launch when they will have a hardware improvement. I know we talked about camera app features. Um my mind's going to um bigger changes and they won't come. Ignore me, I'm catching up in my head. Yeah. No, you're fine. Uh we'll see the new OS changes at WWDC and then we'll get a specific hardware feature for the camera that is added in during the keynote in September. That's what they always do. Uh one of your rumors, it's a patent I believe, um, is underwater photography coming to iPhone. Yeah . Anything specific there that they discussed? Well so many things. Um I actually had to look into the archive to see what uh there's a thing called um a dome port that protects iPhone lenses and we've covered them before and they're there are enormous protective things and with enormous protective things comes a distortion or the need to compensate for distortion and this is a way, a proposed way of using multiple camera lenses and one protective layer over all of them to gether to try and reduce that kind of impact on it. And as far as I understood it, as far as I understood photography, it sounded like a way of getting a really nice underwater camera in an incredibly small size. So probably a case that you would sip your iPhone into rather than a massive rig you would add it to. And so yeah, sort of thing you might actually consider buying even if you weren't I could see Apple doing a proprietary case uh for underwater shooting. I would prefer just the iPhone be able to be dunked. Even if it's just a few feet. I don't want to go diving, uh deep sea diving with the iPhone. Just make it so I can use it underwater briefly. Have it spit the water out like the Apple Watch. Um Well you can do a little bit of it now. I mean you wouldn't I please don't take this as a recommendation, but it is possible to have your phone underwater for at least a millisecond. Because the problem with that is is we're still relying on gaskets for water intrusion, and if you drop your phone even once, those gaskets can get misaligned, and all it takes is a second underwater, and you now have water damage. So even with a brand new phone, it could get those gaskets could get loosened in transit to your Apple store. Don't just don't don't shower with your phone, don't dunk it underwater. You never know when those gaskets are gonna get messed up. And the problem is the buttons, which is why we should get capacitive buttons. You can waterproof a charging port pretty easily, but those buttons you cannot. So Well, that's my holiday plans. Special. Okay. Definitely don't take your iPhone into the ocean. Um finally, one last little bit here . I wanted to mention, I wrote a story about Apple Vision Pro gaming. Um there's actually games on Apple Vision Pro. I doubt I have 16 I counted in my game folder on Apple Vision Pro. Spatial games, not just iPad games. So they do exist. A lot of them have interesting control standpoints. I want to see more from developers. Um, one of them I tried was the spatial ops. It's a first-person shooter with uh PSVR2 controllers. Excellently done. Right. Portals show up around you, you're fighting these bad guys. Rail it's a rail shooter like an arcade, but you're in a three-dimensional plane, like awesome. But the thing I wrote about is bringing your PlayStation into Apple Vision Pro is a big dis play. And there's remote play apps that do this. I tested two. First I only wrote about portal, but then someone pointed out this other one. So I went and tested that and added it to the story. And it's actually uh pretty good . Um let's see . Yeah, Asobi is the other one. Uh they but what's most interesting about this is not only is it remote playing into your headset and upscaling to 4K , it can do live uh con version to stereoscopic 3 D of the games that you're playing. Which I found very interesting and I I think honestly should be a native feature in Vision OS for more apps and games . Okay. So the fact that it's possible at all tells me that Apple could pursue this. That's what I was thinking. How is it done? How is it imposed? But okay. Okay, well there you go, you see AI solves everything. Uh gaming first, obviously illnesses later. Let's get your priorities right. Yeah. This is this is one of those things, these good uses of AI where it's like it can see what you're looking at in a game and I I don't know if it's getting any data other than it's looking at the image and saying this is a table and like guessing distance and just applying a filter real time , but the fact that it can do it fast enough that it's doing it at 60 frames or 120 frames per second is incredible. And on a game that you're streaming from a console over the internet . So really well done. Uh just wanted to share those apps. Um very interesting apps anyway . Cool . But let's close up for now and get to the after show. So today in Apple Insider Plus, we're going to be talking about our wish lists or predictions for iOS, iPad OS, and Watch OS for WWDC . But uh we'll get to that in a moment. First, I want to share one more review for our podcast Apple Podcasts. If you want to have your review read live here on the show, go to Apple Podcasts, leave a review, doesn't matter how many stars it is. This one is a two-star re view, and they're asking us, it's J Bennett0043, and they're asking that we stop the apple glazing, um , which I find funny. It is an Apple Insider podcast. We are talking about Apple . Um they said Apple glazing. That's a great term. I've never heard that before. Oh that's very American um modern teen slang. Yeah. We're praising them too much. Okay . The nonstop, Apple does nothing wrong, Google, Microsoft or Morons gets uh is bit the one guy does all the time gets old, and I'm sure it's me. Um , but all right. Here's the here's the thing. First off, it's a it's an Apple podcast . But that doesn't mean we don't we're not critical of Apple when we need to be. Like I, you know, I when I I want to say words that I can't say. I went after Apple's image playground earlier, right? Like yeah. It's not that we're here to praise or defend Apple. We're just here to share the news. We're here to share what how we feel. But um also if Microsoft and Google do something good, we will absolutely share it here. The problem is is they are not. This AI stuff especially recently has put them in a bad light for years now. It's very ugly for these companies. And I would love to come out and say, man, I wish Apple could copy this Microsoft feature that's really cool or this Google thing they're doing is so there's been none of that for a long time and it's really depressing as a tech journalist, because I you know, enjoy Apple, I use their t their products, but I like technology. And I like when technology advances and when these companies are throwing everything at AI and sitting on their laurels or doing w what saying they're gonna fix all humanity's illness. It's stupid. And I'm gonna point that out too. I and I I you know Apple makes its mistakes, it does wrong too, and and we write about that and we talk about it here on the show and we will absolutely point out what goes wrong with this WWDC and what goes right. So um and especially if you stick around for Apple Insider Plus, that's where a lot of that kind of conversation happ ens. So although pass me in the street and I will talk to you about Apple's anti-union uh practices. Sorry, calm down, Will. Calm. Okay. Yes. But of course, if you want to reach out , always Apple Podcast is a great way to do it. We'll talk about it here. Or you can email me, West at Apple Insider.com, or you can go to bluesky, hilly.tech. Uh Mastodon is HillyTech and reach out on any of those let us know what you think we've had some emails asking about our video transition uh there's been some spoofs where chapters didn't appear one time and third party apps or someone had trouble finding us on Spotify. We're on Spotify, so I don't know what went wrong there. But I should I should say um audio is on Spotify, but uh the service we use to put the video out, they're still working on the whatever the Spotify conne ction is. So uh video will be coming there, but we should be on audio, yes. Definitely definitely audio. I did search it and we appeared, so it's we're there. So but in any case, uh reach out, let us know what you think of the show, opinions, whatnot. And Well for about the next week I'm gonna be um a bit out of touch. I'm gonna be standing in a cold shower permanently. Nothing else, just cold running water for one week. But after that I will check my emails on William at AppleInsider dot com or over on YouTube where I have uh a fifty eight keys video thing and there should be a live chat version of one of those coming up if I sort it out. So that could be next week, probably the week after, but we'll see. What about you if people want to talk to you? Like I said, email socials. Yes. Uh Williams in host mode. So just frankly it's so hot I may not be paying attention. Uh the big difference in App Insider Plus is gonna be I've gotta shed this jacket. Okay Stick around for that guys. No. Um I'd like to thank our sponsors once again, MasterClass and Nordstellar. And of course if you don't want to hear about sponsors and want us hear our after show about our predictions for WWDC and everything, join Apple Insider Plus that is available through Apple Podcasts or Patreon as a paid premium subscription. You'll get us as usual, but just a little bit more. Um otherwise I think that's it for today and we will be back next week on the eve of WWDC Oh goodness, so it is. That's so exciting. Love it. Okay. Speak to you then. Okay. Yeah, very exciting. Almost there, William. We'll know all the secrets soon enough unless they've already been leaked. But yes.