Future of Apple Platforms and Outro

Hello and welcome to the Apple Insider podcast. I'm your host, Wesley Hilliard, and I'm joined once again by William Gallagher It's WWDC Week. It's busy. You know what we're here to talk about. There's so much to get through. but first, I want to thank our sponsors Nord Stellar andcribe AI and If you don't want tona hear about sponsors, we have Apple Insider Plus, which is where we're going to be discussing at length How many machines William has accidentally install the betas on. St stick around for that after the show. Of course. But yes, we're going to talk about how the betas have been going so far, any glitches we've run into. I'll go ahead and say here, don't install the betas unless you're just asking for trouble But William, how are you? I'm all right, but I think at some point I did say Dare trouble, come visit me because I am having hiccups with it, but you know, in general, actually I tell you what, let's do this right now. I'll go get out there because I've been so horrible about this in the past So far really like Siri, the new Siri Okay S it Only on my Mac, I haven't got up my iPhone and that's a big difference. But I'm so much happier than I have been for what two years Just in the beer.. I've installed betas everywhere except the Apple TV because it tends to break home pods somehow when you don't have them on the same OS. so I'll be waiting for the public homepard beta so I can install that and the TBOS at the same time. So that'll be in July, but everything else has the OS twenty seven installed I did get ex this becomes the theory I justin if this suddenly becomes a solo podcast, we'll understand why everything is on the Okay Wow, guys the machine I'm recording you say is The machine I'm recording on is MacOS Golden Gate Um which is fine The betas in recent years haven't been that bad, but still Installing them on a primary device, got to be careful. It's my job. so if it does explode, I get to write about it. Um But how? How paper I have a. I have a U MacBook No here that is running Mac OS Taho If if if I really needed something that was if everything spontaneously caught on fire because Apple put in the wrong code. And that's a thing they can do then yes, I have payback up happen but I also got on the Siri AI thing The waitlist only took me two days, three days to get on. And I've been testing that so we can get into that a little bit. But Let's get to the show because there's a lot to go over If you listen to our pre our quick post show thing the other day, we're probably going to retread some ground here, but Um, I say We handle this the old fashioned way. Let's go OS by OS as much as we can. and then round up some features at the end Okay, you're not won over by apples, toow everything together. which I could kind of understand, but it did As a MAac fan, it threw me, I got excited. This is the Mac bitit. No it isn't So yeah, you're going to go do it I'm trying to say the word properly. I just did You're going do it properly? Are we going to start with the Mac Or do you wantna go in for that Apple Vision Pro thing You keep talking about we could do MacOS first because honestly there's not that much here. As like S you wrote about this. what what's changed with MacOS Really only Siri AI. You said you're through the waitlist. I'm officially still on the waitlist, but there is a way to get yourself through it on the Mac. So I have it on the Mac and I've been using it and it is excellent except for when it isn't I haven't got it on anything else yet to try. But if you take away through AI, This is the least update of MacOS ever There's a couple of visual tweaks that are quite nice There's there's now a slider for adjusting how Liquid, liquid glass is, but Yeah I had to take a screenshot of before and after to see the difference. and even then I was zooming in and thought yeah, it's there. It feels a very begrudging feature for Apple. Almost Microsoft liking that they can say without it, but it doesn't actually And there are no rnd on paper. Yeah Yeah, on paper Apple focused on Refinements, stability performance things move faster. animations are faster, everything moves quicker Lquid glass has changed because I know you want to downplay it, but it is different and there is a slider But liquid glass Yeah, there's a slider you can make it either more opaque or more clear. I immediately set it to more clear because I enjoy the effect Um But yes, you can actually set it. prettyretty much It's not anything new there. You can set it to the most opaque it's ever been or the most clear it's ever been, more or less. There's not a it's not further, but it is a slider It is a slider. You do have those options, but I forgot which one I left it on because I could barely tell the difference it in the middle. I mean, the Ale's Dult honestly is pretty harmess. It's fine. You keep trying to stop me talking about Rounded corners. I can't believe you're not excited about Rounded corners. But okay You are right. things different fasterify Yeah, they did take the time to specify that they have more co ecentric circles in their design. That doesn't mean that all design is cooccentric. There are areas that have some uniformity issues, but I think that's only because You can only do it so much. If everything was identical, it would look crazy. You would there'd be problems everywhere But u Anyway, I think that the new design is fine. There are more there's more layers, more glass, especially in the icons. likeike the redesign maps icon, the one that they showed in the keynote is actually really nice if you look at it like on an iPhone. m But yes, MacOS primarily three points, Siri AI. redesigned liquid glass to an extent with a slider And of course the safety features, Apple detailed in the keyne, which we can get into at some point if we have time today. Um Not a whole lot else. Apple's website for this is actually pretty straightforward. It's We'll talk specifically about Sira AI and all the Apple intelligence stuff in its own section because if we just did it for every every OS, we would be here all day U, there's a new podcast app with video support, basically, the same updates that they gave to the TVOS version of this app that desperately needed it And then We have actually I didn't even realize U I haven't opened the Pgas app on my Mac since I went to Colden Gate, I should look at it, but actually I was was fine with ward one was just Yeah, I mean, they just gave it the new look like that's been there for a while because for whatever reason the Mac version hadn't quite been eked out in that way Um But yes, nothing else here. I will point out as we get into the next systems. Photos is now letting you share full sized images and has an better website for Android and Windows users for shared albums, which I'm very excited about because I have a few group chats with Android friends that we have shared photo libraries for that they haven't really been able to take advantage of, that they will now. so That's fun most of the people I know and work with aren't Android or winners, but I don't tend to share photographs W them not true. An hour before we started talking, I sent a photograph someone, but I sent it as like a WhatsApp message becausecause we use WhatsApp moree the messages. Yeah. o I' forotten that but. Well, so I will say, u For you, William, and your freakishly large display, there is now ultra wide support officially baked into MacOS fiveive K at one hundred twenty Hz, I guess it's time for you to finally upgrade Well I wanted to ask you about this actually because I'm still on the same monitor, it's still the same resolution. But as soon as Mc S Gulling Gate was on it. It felt different. It looked a little bit sharper I have thing that automatically puts windows in certain places and it wasn't right anymore. It was putting them slightly too short. So I couldn't work out whether a resolution had improved or not But I like the look of it. so Yeah I'm sticking. They've increased the supported resolution. So basically whatever your highest pixel count was before, it's a bit bigger now Um I say Vision OS next just because This is actually interesting We talked about this before the keynote. What attention, if any, was the Apple Vision Pro going to get? Is this truly a dead product? Does Apple actually care about it anymore? And once I got the beta, because the keynote had two mentions of Vision OS, just like it had almost no mention of H pods or TVOS But there's actually Quite a lot here. I did a kind of count for count It's basically as much of an update as Vision OS twenty six was. I think minus a couple of major things. Last year we got spatial widgets as the major keynote item and a few upgrades across the system I would say this year's spatial widgets is Siri AI because I think that Siri AI of all the platforms, this is the one it's mostost important on, because spatial computing And intelligence is going to go hand in hand more and more as these technologies improve So that stuff here is great. Too bad though, that it is broken in beta one, My Si AI does not work in beta one That wrote justust on Vision Pro. Just some Vision Pro For whatever reason it just won't connect. There's something weird going on there. It could be just my system. I don't know This is a beta thing. that's what happens when you're testing these things, but I did get the little orb and put it on my desk and it's cool, but it doesn't do anything right now. Looking at what's here in Vision OS because there's things that you can actually interact with William that I want to talk about Um So moving past Siri because everything Siri AI can do is coming to every platform There's really nothing here that's unique to iPhone in any specific way. I mean, even visual intelligence is coming to the web on Mac. So I mean, it's just it's everywhere I'm Safari has this new really cool view. I'm going to call it the minority report review view. for Safari where you can click if you have multiple tabs open, you can click a little icon. And it opens all the tabs in this big spherical view around you and as vertical windows. Oh. It's really cool.'s like Stot and bubbling, doctror Wh? Okay Not sure what I think about that Okay. Yeah, and you can grab this cultural reference there. Yeah As long as you're not grabbing movable content in the windows Grabbing arbitrarily anywhere in the space and then scrolling lets you move the panes around on a big like u What's the word? carousel So It's neat. I actually like this a lot. I set it up so Safari was open in front of me with the carousel kind of wrapping around me with like four or five tabs open for research on a piece I was writing. And then I put drafts above my keyboard almost like a piece of paper on a typewriter I was able to look up to reference the windows and move them around and scroll up and down and then look down to draft a type. and it was Really cool. It was very very well executed What's this thing about being able to take any photographer and turn it into an environment You could take a photograph of your actual room and put it on your headset. I do have a panoramic of my office that was offered as a new spatial environment so I could make my office My spatial environment as silly as that is So like take a very clean photo of my office and just let it get as messy as I want because then as long as I'm in the Vision Pro it's clean Um It's neat. It's definitely so Basically, this is the custom watch faces of Vision OS. This is something we've been really wanting for a while Now it's not limited to apps, it's not limited to anything. It's just if you have a panoramic photo in your photo library, you can just set it as a three D dynamic wallpaper. It doesn't move I hope that that's something they could add later like detect that it's a tree and then make the branches sway in the wind or something. becausecause we got, um a new environment whose name is I't know Thorsmork. I don't know it's Icelandic, so I can't tell you how to actually say it. but it's a beautiful, ice covered landscape U att night, it's the auror Borealis above your head. At night, the creek by you is frozen solid because I guess there's only one moving element at a time Daytime Blue skies, the creek next to you is babbling along. It's really, really smart how they did that But if you do one of your panoramas, it gets converted to three D. So I have this beautiful shot. We were up on top of one of the what you call a bald, I guess, the top of a mountain nearby And it's kind of plateaus and you can see all around you, you can see the valley, you can see the other mountains nearby. And I took this sweeping panoramic around this peak where you could basically go in a almost near full circle panoram if you don't mess up and said it as my spatial photo, Well, it reaches all the way around behind me. It doesn't touch in the back reaches all the way around me and there's depth to it. So the grass in front of me is closer to me. The mountains in the distance are spatially separated. And then behind me there was a bush that looks like it's physically resent in the space, the branches in the bush and the leaves are all separated dynamically. So like it adds real depth to the panoramic, not just One or two layers, but it feels very layered and very present likeike a rock felt like it was the correct distance away from me, for example The bigiggest thing here is it's a panoram, so It has a limited top and bottom It fuzzes out at the edges. And in my field of view Basically it It fills my field of view but if I look down I can see my keyboard, which honestly is nice versus Apple's environments which are three hundred and sixty degrees spherical I like this. I wanted to see some animated elements to this at some point, but for now, this is like setting a wallpaper on your desktop. You can set whatever you want. There's no limits. I know Apple has funny limitations about certain things across its AI stuff and what images you can use with it. But this is free game, as long as it's registered as a panoramic photo In photos, this works thing I don't the three D effect It is added three D And it looks good That it's well executed, very well executed Good. New control center Again, this is the best one by far. newew widgets, new widget sizes Um And Isay Pretty nice. I think like this is a good attention to detail thing, like they fix they continue to refine notifications They did the performance things invision OS like they did everywhere. and then on top of that, all of the CII stuff. So this is not a limited or small release. This is a full release of Vision OS and I'm very happy with it. And I hope that through the year we get more What about the thing we've talked for of native apps not existing as they still Yes, so this is the thrust of my piece on this. It's a great release, but it doesn't fix the problems with Vision OS or Apple Vision Pro specifically. A didn't really do anything for developers. I did see They are holding these community community driven keynotes and even invited a community vision pro. community Anyway, they had them speak on stage at WWDC. That's great. Like that is the kind of evangelism we need to see, but we also need some finances thrown in here. And Apple did not announce anything like that at WWBDC. There's no motivation, no reason to build apps for this platform right now. That's really hurting the platform, I think. but U that and you're right. there are the same native or the same iPad compatible apps are there Fine My is still not present on the platform in any shape or form We got a new native app and that's the Siri app. It's native Yeah, everything else is where it was fourour years ago three years ago It's that long. It's still amazing. It feels like the new thing on the block and sudenly because it was lockheads. Yeah.. It was announced in twenty three. So yeah, three years ago, same compatible Alolis, nothing's changed and that's just damning on its own of. where Apple's attentions are, but Ju opposed to how much Vision OS got on its own I think it just means that Apple hasn't gone to Apple Maps and said, hey, make a native app, you know, it's because that is its own division in Apple. and For whatever reason they just haven't done that. They had other things to do. so I don't know. We'll see if those start rolling out soon or if we go another two or three years with the same list, whatever Um, I think that this is a very Every year solidifies the idea that this is a preview for what's happening in the future and I wnder A think AR glasses. donon't think Vision Pro think What's it going to look like when I wear glasses and have these things involved? Because one last thing before we move on to the next OS Vision OS got better spatial accessory support and object recognition support So Spatial accessories can now be things that third parties just make with a Bluetooth connection and a chip to communicate like gyro position stuff like that with LEDs for tracking, that can just be made by somebody Also you can turn objects into trackable objects like my water bottle, the one that you have Bluetooth connected to your Apple Vision Pro with a three D model uploaded to the app and then have it pure and full three D modeling inside of a spatial environment, where it is in the physical space. So when you reach out and grab it, you're actually grabbing the real water bottle Um okay Yeah Or like when you look at it, the Vision Pro would recognize that you're looking at your smart water bottle and a widget could pop out the side and show you your water levels L. I'm One thing ye The idea that new hardware will come at some point. Are we not now at the stage where it isn't really worth Apple's trouble making Big changes to Vision OS until There's a hardware thing because that's when the spotlights going to be back on it I think it's the opposite. This is a very early, very young OS and Like, think more nineties Mac then Watch OS two, right? Be watch OS iterated quickly. It became very popular, very fast. It was an inexpensive device to get a hold of Whereas Mac was so niche for a while that it almost caused the company to go bankrupt and had to have a revolution to save it, more or less. And I don't think that's necessarily as dramatic as Vision OS and Apple Vision Pro, but I do think the development cycle is as slow. This is new product category Like we've never seen before This is brringing a completely different paradigm to computing for the first time in forty years Right? Like Everything other like the iPad is arguable because it's a touchs screen, but ultimately, it became a laptop with a physical keyboard and trackpad, right the desktop with a screen turn into the laptop with the screen. It's always been a keyboard mouse and display Vision OS is the reallyally one of the first ones And for since computing that introduced a completely new idea where looking and pinching was the primary interface. Your voice was the primary interface over a display that covers your eyes. And As we see this evolve and get smaller and better, it needs to be integrated in the things that we do every day. So Yes, while there won't be new Vision Pro hardware for two more years at least They still should be updating and innovating on this because Once that stuff's ready, there will be a platform waiting for it and that's important. There's a bit of me that wants to defend the Mac in the nineties and I want to go, yeay, about system seven, but I take your point. yeah. I'll just I'll be I'll be nostalgic about my system seven on my own time This episode is brought to you by Nord Stella North Stellar is made to help whole businesses of any size and it comes from the makers of NordVPN Nord Stellar is a threat exposure management It detects cyber threats against your company. It helps you control take control before those threats escalate Nord Stellar searches for targeted attacks against you against your brand or even against your executives. And actually for those executives, NordSellar provides fast detection and prioritization. It offers real time visibility of risks and So very necessary today, it also strengthens your firm's compliance posture A for your security teams as well. There's more. Nord Sella can provide contextualized insights. 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I'm going to be writing about it next week in detail So maybe we'll save that discussion for next week because I'll have done more specific research to iPad OS. This week was my chance to give Vision OS time to shine. So that's why I have so much information about it. But it appears to be kind a similar Sope Yeah to MacOS and You get Si AI You get the redesign liquid glass with the slider But I think iPad OS versus the other OSs We've got some of the biggest optimizations out of everyone External display support has better recognition of whereow Windows are Um Files transfer five times faster in the files app. Every animation is smoother and better the way you interact with the system is smoother and better. So there's going to be some stuff I'm going to have to dive into here. but as far as user facing features, I think the biggest ones truly are Siri AI mightight actually be funny to say, I'm not going to make the claim now, but I'm going to say at at first glance Vision OS twenty seven might be a bigger update than iPad OS twenty seven I wouldn't be surprised given how little there is in the Mac, but just to check, even though you haven't particularly used it, you do have iPadOS twenty seven on your iPads, right Yep? Yeah, both the iPad Pro and iPad many And you've had no problems with them U The usual beta stuff that comes with iPad OS specifically it's easy to boot loooop the machines if you click on too many like selectable lists. in a row. Like if you just go to a drop down menu and just open and close it a couple of times, you'll boot loooop diipad. But that's pretty much with every beta. I don't know why, but that's just that animation overcocks it or something I've never heard that one Okay, because I was getting very tempted there to upgrade it, even though I actually have no reason to it. I just fancied it and now I'm thinking, yeah, no, maybe, no, yeah, maybe. But iPad many. Okay. It's fine. I can still read my books and browse the web and do what I do on my iPad manyi Um I think the liquid glass looks I always liked it, but being able to set it to fully clear again, It just, it's so sharp. I really enjoy it. And the new icons just really pop. They have updated the icons again Um, but this the black icon with the fully liquid glass slider setting Something about it just looks sharp to me. I'm really enjoying that. But yes, overall because we'll get to Siri in its own section Trust and safety stuff Apple Intelligence, Siri AI That's the biggest bits here. I'm trying to make sure I'm not missing anything specific Like we we have the new shortcut stuff, but of course, that's everyone I don't have anything to say about that but yeah. I will say that it seems to be the primary focus of iPad OS beyond the features everyone got was optimizations, files The indexing of spotlight. Now a major issue that I had with IiPedOS twenty six was I went to Spotlight and searched anything. Nothing would happen for many seconds, if not a full minute. Like it would just I could type in a name of a contact And it's like I had to reindex my entire iPad to perform the search. My ped is twenty seven changes that. It reindex the entire machine. It's still indexing actually. It takes about a week to do a full index of your device now. I was going to ask you that? Yeah Mind this said it's re indexing. youve add don't in a how long to wait. Yeah, okay. It's about a week. And so And once it's reindexed, it's only has to do that once like it's not to reindex every update. Once that's done, and currently now because Spotlight's technically also Siri Instantaneous. anythingthing I put in there, I'm getting a result as I type, which is how it should be. So like those kinds of system updates across the board make iPad OS that much Bet fluid, easy to use. Small things like if you copy something, the clipboard shows up in your reccommended text, right? There's so much here, like how I work is affected by iPadOS twenty seven. like the Grammar checking as you're typing is much more powerful and seamless. And that's because of Apple intntelligence. So we'll get to that in a moment. I don't Is there anything you want to add about iPad OS before we move on Only that I'm stuck now in a loop of Do I want to upgrade it? Do I not want to upgrade it? Can I please have an excuse to upgrade it? I think we'm going to upgrade, aren't I In fact, you talk while I upgrade for it It's fun because I've been contrlling on the Mac. That's what I've been writing about, I'sort been using. M of all, I love my iPad, I should into this very carefully. I'll mention this here. So Vision OS got an update for That makes it so Wi Fi connects as it's booting up. So by the time the screen turns on, you're already on the internet prereviously Vision OS booting Um, you would be out of the boot cycle in your workspace and still not connected to Wiifi. and then it would connect and that would be a little frustrating because you would open an app and it would say, you're not connected to the interternet. So now They've made it so as it's coming on, it's already connected and your app should be fully loaded by the time you are able to click on them. Lots of Wiifi improvements everywhere though, because iPad OS. and iPhone as well, got a new seamless switching feature, which as you move between nodes in your home or Wiifi networks or from Wi Fi to cellular the handoff is much more intelligent and saying What does this person want to do here Should we cling to that one megabyte a second connection that's like a mile away from the router as they're walking away from their home? Or should we switch to cellular before that ever gets that slow and that tenuous Um, so I think that is a very important update, especially since I tend to move around my home sometimes when I'm working to have different spaces. So that's Also important on iPad Except I read a little notification on my iPhone. I up set it in the keyote and writt it on the iPhone, it's talking between the two. At some point you need to know this. I've been trying to get Macos Golden Gate onto my MacBook Pro and it will not do it. and it looks like one of the problems is WiFi related, though I cannot fathom why. At one point I tried downloading It's a seventeen gigabyte download and I switched to my iPhone for mirroring for the last bit of the preparation. And as it happens it's still fell over, but I forgot to switch it off. So the next time I tried, I could have been trying to red download seventeen gigabytes for it and I have a limited you know contract for this. So Am I happy that it's just hopping around, doing what it wants I'm running at my cellular bill or whatever it's called. So this is going to be one of those things that I think we'll get to later, but mention it here since you're bringing it up Um The automatic usage of cellular data came out in IOS nine and we wrote an article about how people were freaking out that it was using up their data limits. Now IS nine was a long time ago. Unlimited data was much less common So it was a big issue. It was running up people's phone bills. Now it's still there. It's moved to the Wiifi menu, not the cellular menu and it's shown as a different name, but it's the same feature. It intelligently switches It will pair Wi Fi and Sillor together. to do your tasks But it's only trickling in some cellular. Like I've used one hundred and fifty megabytes in the last two days three days since I've installed the beta, which is Nothing, right in modern internet. So I'm going to leave the feature on. it's fine. It might mess with like VPN's because VPN's might freak out if you're on like two different networks simultaneously. So just something to keep in mind It's there. We'll get to IOS here in a minute. and at the end, I want to discuss compatibility because I think this is a big year for compatibility, at least discussion because there's some odd ones Watch O us What Do you know about watchOS It exists. I don't think I even noticed it going by in the keynote because obviously we were writing different bits at the time. W OS Not a single thing went in my head from WWDC's presentation. And I'm not upgrading the watch. I've had upgrade problems with the watch before. so that one will wait. I'm Ecept going on then Break it to me. What did I miss that was fantastic? and you're gonna have me reaching for the update button right now? An you think So actually yeah, no, I was just reviewing So WatchOS Funny Eough has several updates. In fact This is the most limited device release because it's only coming to six Apple Watches Oh We'll talk about can you hit that Yeah We'll talk about compatibility later, but I want to get into why u here because One of the features is they're bringing a lot more on device processing to WOS twenty seven There still isn't AI capable because you still need a lot. You need eight gicks of RAM and a neural processor, which neither of which are an Apple watchatch But workkout buddy can now run entirely on Apple Watch in Watch OS twenty seven. Um And that limitation alone is likely why they dumped anything that has an S A or below You were required to have an S nine. and I believe the reason why is if you go back and look at the chip sets The S six, seven and eight. We're all the same sIip, the same system in package with the same CPU the same performance The S nine was the first in four years to introduce a completely new processor that was more powerful. And I think that's why the cutoff is quote unquote, so recent Um, I'll go and do the compatibility talk for Watch OS now because it's on my mind This is not this is a nothing burger. I know there's people out there freaking out saying Apple's abandoning people who bought a watch Um S The series eight and below, the ones that are getting cut off That was what we're at series eleven. so almost four years ago Right So it's three in some change since they came out because this year we're going to get the twelve Um So Nearly four years ago, Apple Watches came out, Apple sold them, you bought them, they've gotten feature updates in the three years since And now you're no longer going to get feature updates. You're going to get security updates and compatibility updates for the next five years or so All right, so that watch will theoretically be able to run for about nine years Let's get into what you're not getting because you're not getting watch OS twenty seven William, I know this is devastating But I feel an insult coming, hit me, yeah Okay O device workout buddy processing Yeah more accurate mileagevice More accurate m milege for indoor walks Wor out buddy in Spanish use you'reaiting for. Yeah. If you're tracking pre menopause or menopause So see, I did I did the thing Hy menopause and menopause pre is the wrong word If you're tracking that, you have to have a more modern watch because it's only in Watch twenty seven. So that is justifiable if you have an SE something or a series eight and you wanted that tracking feature you will have to upgrade. the SiriAI compatibility, meaning that if you have a phone that supports SiriAI, you can talk to it through the watch processing' done on the phone or in the cloud That is watchatch OS twenty seven. Um, You'll get better context recommendations and smart stack stuff like that but also there's a new gesture where a double tap scrolls the smart stack and a single tap selects That's a new gesture. And your app grid is now changed Again, there's a dynamic app grid with giant icons that update as you use your watch that suggest apps that you would use normally in that time And then you can scroll down to get to the full app grid That's it That is all you're missing out on by not getting watch was twenty seven twenty eight twenty nine so forth. I understand that it's frustrating that you're not getting these features But I'm going to go ahead and say other than the perarimenopause menopause tracking because that is important. and I think that if that's something you want to track is it's annoying that you have to buy a new watch. Beyond that You you're not missing anything. This is you're going to get your security updates. yourour watch is still going to get notifications. It's still going to do everything you want it to do. you can still Literally Nothing changes about how your watch is going to work because of this update I just think it's interesting that we obviously both of us are coming at this as Apple users and iPhone users. So four years isn't great but doesn't seem terrible. But you know, I look at my sixteen Roleux watches I rotate through the day and there, you know These relics are a hundred years old, are know they're very old Let me say yeah Let's suppose it differently. There are landfills full of fitbits that came out a year ago. so true they Fitbit was bought by Google and then they came out with this band that everyone's gonna to abandon any here because it's silly anyway, because it's using AI to tell you that you're fat. this Then there was this whole like Android weare thing that they would just basically change every year Um I don't even know I don't want to speak off handedly, but given that Android phones maybe get two feature updates after release, I'm willing to say that The Androidwar version that your Android wear shipped with was probably the last version it shipped with Just this is the kind of stuff we're talking about. I understand that that shouldn't excuse Apple here But the grass is not greener on the other side in this situation. I also believe that WOS twenty seven's compatibility list signals something significant shifting in the way that Apple address like addresses hardware in watchOS and we're going to see that this fall and and I'm hoping I'm hoping for the extra cheap watch that goes even the the Apple Watch No Um, that makes that removes the screen as a smart band. revolutionizes the market that does everything that you want it to do just without a display Um, that kind of thing. likeike that's that's what I'm picking up from this is that we're going to see something dramatic shift in hardware in Apple Watch because They really did shave this down to just six devices and that's very interesting to me sorry, a watch without a display Uh, Smart band fitness Nifications So Fitbits and all that, they had some sort of But friends who have them have clocks on them and things. What you saying? Depends. I had a Nike fuel band once, that was neat It showed your fuel points in the time and your steps Um I don't know, we'll see. We'll have time to talk about it later Let's do IOS and then we'll talk Siri and a little bit more compatibility. And I think that'll wrap up the show. So So IOS that we we've been teasing it this whole time. What's new for IOS William? U can I go with Siri AI? It's the easier picker Yes, frankly I' It' a weird year for this because Syria is in everything and I'm actually not unhappy with that I've seemed to have said AI as many times as Google in the last minutes but still this one seems to work. I have the least experience on the iPhone because actually the iPhone has some Apple intelligence stuff. I did a shortcut on there The Natural language shortcuts and that one was great. Others have been more problematic But I'm still on the waitlist for Si AI and I look at it and I think well I do like the icons. they have popped. I think it's faster. but whenever you install a new beach it's still doing so much stuff in the background that it's slower than it's going to be. I'm not Sure, it hasn't T me So this is basically going to flow into the AI talk because that's what this is. Yeah IowS got some things that were interesting, but they are all because of the on device systems as well. J just to mention a couple here and then we'll get into the AI portion of this. Um The passwords app will tell you if a passassport is either cloned or compromised And then it can automatically go to the website, log in for you, change the password, and update it without you doing anything. That is an agentic action. It's the only agentic action Apple announced during the keynote. But I think it's the first of many to come later Um, If you trust this? would you use this Well, I presume it's also on the Mac as well. So even though I'm waiting for it on the iPhone, I haven't let it rip. There iss a bitid of me that's cautious, but then I should update my passwords more often so Who am I least cautious about me or it I don't know Yes but I like the presumably If it, if it Presumably if it tried to and it failed, it would just tell you it failed and then you'd have to do it manually. Where this is going to work is most major organizations use a specific template for passwords. and so There's no reason why a robot shouldn't be able to do it because it already has your credentials saved and it's just going to log in and perform the action Um heck, there might even This is one of those things where humans need user interfaces Robots do not. So there might even be a handshake that can happen that says, hey I'm Apple's passwords assistant. And the website's like, oh Here's the UILess code base that lets you just exchange a password tooken And then and it's done, right Because a lot of people were like, oh, well, it's going to have to go to the website and type in your name password and navigate a button. What if it doesn't get the right button? What if a could patch is throwown up in its face or whatever I don't like maybe it's gonna do that in some places But I have a feeling that there's going to be more technology to this than brute forcing it that way Gs It'll be interesting to me Hello. Beth Dakon, who always has a Safari stuff, was so convincing about it. I just totally believed her. I never thought of any of that stuff. Okay, this is another roller coaster.. When you're getting a call So say I need to call and ask about my water bill because it's doubled in price since I moved and I'm not sure why It might be because of how they charge for water incoming and sewage outgoing. I somethinghing's broken. I don't know. Maybe it's not and I'm just now I'm just going to forever pay twice as much as I used to I need to call my water company And when I do, someone's going to say What's your account number Well Now in that phone call on the screen where the phone call is happening, Siri AI will display My account number that it surfaced from an email If it works, fantastic. Theoretically has It's an easy data detector. There's no reason why it shouldn't work But we'll see. It's not something I've had a chance to test yet if it's even in the beta What is in the beta is if someone mentes something in a Message conversation that could be added to a reminder, a note or calendar The button will appear below the message saying to do so. This episode is brought to you by a scribe. When Wes and I swaped editing roles on this podcast or actually more recently when I had to train my replacement on a charity's magazine as fast as she and Natie as Wez are were, it still took a lot of time. 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Maybe that'll be a whole separate episode. I have a lot to say there Um, so Let's get into the AI of it all. What how are you feeling about this rememarkably happy when whatever I'm doing is something actually on my device. I honestly thought I would have Um difficulty getting used to the idea of SAI because I'm so used to the fact that You ask Siri to do something, it gets it wrong, you curse a bit, you ask it again, it gets it right. you sarcastically say thanks. and then you move on. Whereas this thing of been able to have a conversation or do a couple of things. I thought I wouldn't even to do that. But Um I have this thing that there's a concert coming up. that I booked more than a year ago because it was cancellled and resched and it suddenly occurred me I don't remember what it. A am I going to miss it? And often recently when we' been going to concerts, it sudenly thought now the tickets are the box office, Are they in wallet on the phone? So I just asked Siri, when am I going to see Darl Williams and where are the tickets? It took thirty seconds But it faned me the venue, links to it, details of the time, ticket numbers, and it surfaced the write email. thirty second sounds a long time when I say it, but you know how long it takes to dig through emails to find anything. Compared to me looking, it found it straight away and I thought that was That was su And most of the time look You can leave a query and it's taking place in the background. You don't always have to s there and stare at it and wait for it. The Siri app captures your queries and history. so I think is immensely big on the Mac because on the Mac, here I am typing away and I want to do something. I have to stop, press command twice and there's typeed to Siri and I do it and get it wrong and I can't do a follow up and all this stuff So basically never use Siri on the Mac, but now even in the last few days You know, it's come up a lot. I'm going to a venue on Saturday to give a talk but I got to pick up something for somebody. so I just asked it. Tell me the route fire this guy's house and so it did things like that. It's starting to become part of my workflow on the Mac and I never thought that would happen with Siri. What it is first before we get into the features Bea we mentioned this a little in the show, the post WWDC show U I didn't have the best language for it because I It's annoying. firstirst off, Google names everything Gemini. so it's hard to pull out exactly what you want to say there Um, There is Zero Jem and I assistant Google search or Google agents of any kind in Apple intelligence, Apple Foundation models or Siri AI zero And people got confused when I said this. so I want to clarify Google and Apple did partner to use Googles now see. this is've I wanted to say it And then I've lost it again. So I'm going to while I'm speaking U figure out again. So there there's there's Yes. I don't expect I don't think I'm using Gemini when I use Apple intntelligence, but Apple's paying a billion a year to Google and it informed its foundation model. It's not. a trace free. Access Okay, so so it' it's complicated. I've lost the word again and it's annoying to me But u There's Google Assistant or Gemini Assistant, which is the full name of the thing that exists in the Gemini app. When you interact with the Gemini app, you're interacting with Gemini assistant Then there's Gemini. There's a word for this. It's like, it's not foundation But it's the main LLM, the The whole guy Right. Basically everything Google did to scrape the web and train its bots and whatever there is the main We'll say for simplicity's sake, foundation Oh o. Um Google's AI work period And there's a good word for this. It's frustrating that I can't remember it. Anyway Google took that gave Apple a version of it that would run on Apple Silicon onene that could be tweaked by Apple as necessary as it developed its new model. So using this ace Google Technology, the Gemini technology It was able to basically recode its own AI and then train it from the ground up using techniques like distillation to make it smarter and better and ultimately resulted in App Intelligence the new Apple Foundation models Now That's the point I'm trying to make here Google did build The technology that Apple used to make its new stuff That's the end result, what the user facing technology There is no Google There is no Google presence, there is no Google servers. There is no Google search. There is nothing that you have to worry about privacy wise, ethical wise. If you're a person like me who does not use Google properties I can use Google Apple's foundoundation models and not feel like I'm compromising my ideals of not using Google properties because it is not anymore, in any case a Google technology. right? Google provided the foundational technologies. Apple is renting servers with NVidIia GPUs and RAM and stuff to help run this in the cloud But it's still private Coud compute. It's still Apple certified. What's running on your phone, there's four models now. there's two in the cloud, two on device, and I believe there's a fifth server specific model. Um These are all Apple developed, Apple trained, they picked the weights, they picked how it makes decisions But because it has all of that Google foundation to it, there will be times when You can ask it and Gemini assistant the same question and get very similar answers because of how it's parsing the data because of its base training base, right But it is still not Google in any way, shape or form. And I want to emphasize that because people are worried about privacy. They're like, oh, my data is going to go to Google or there's going to be some secret handshake in the future that allows it to go train Google. This is not chat GPT's deal. where sometimes a Siri query would go to a chat GPT server That is not what this is And it can't be and it won't be. The way Apple designed it is it is a deep system integration with Apple technology, period You seem to suggest that people might not choose to trust Google and I can't figure out where you get that your face. Okay, right Um There's a lot of problems with Google we don't have to get into here, but It really is just one of those things where I don't want to get into it a lot in the show because this would require its own controversy corner But Google is doing its own thing. It's maddening how terrible of a company it's become. Microsoft being is bad. L there's this whole Microsoft protest u boycott because of its of how it's participating and aiding in the war in Gaza. Um, and then On top of that, like everyone's talking about this paid search engine I forget the name of it, Cagy, I think C but Cagie Pool's result has like pays money to Kaperssky, which is the Russian outlet that helps like Uh Russia Media get a hold of like Russian targets, government targets and the money from Kagi is going to that. there's no good platform right now. Duck Duckgo uses Bing, which is owned by Microsoft, which is being boycotted, right What do you do Right. And then pen and paper. Pokemon Go is selling all of its data to United States drone manufacturers to So they can target their enemies without using GPS because of Pokemono. So, There's some military commander somewhere who's asking Pikachu where it is in or to target that turn And thankfully, that's not Nintend's fault, That's Niantic's fault. That's a whole different discussion. The point is there's a lot of morally reprehensible things going on in the world And Apple, funny enough other than Tim Cook having to deal with Donald Trump and that's his own can of worms Apple's doing pretty good on that front. And I can honestly say that I trust Apple do not mess it up. and maybe John Turnis is going to start using max to kill people. I don't know. but Right now, Apple is prettyty clean. And I like the fact that Siri AI a search engine that doesn't use any of those search engines A Siri worldor Kledge is not Google search. I can just search the web with Siri AI and it get results and click a link and open a website. I haven't been doing it much. So my fallback is still duckuck go. out of everything, it's the least reprehensible, I guess Um So that's my default in Safari. So if I need to get a link for an article I'm writing, I'm probably going to use Duckuck goo. But I'm experimenting using Siri AI as a central And maybe it will fully replace Uh doctor and I can I can see that happening. It's just I've said I really like the new seri as far as it goes and I've kind of in aiddle a biddle a little bit hesitant of fully endorsing That sounds like they need my endorsement. You know I? fully backing how great Sirri is because what's great is great, but what is not is not. and the thing that is not for me is this world knowledge things When I've tried it, I have had poor results from Si AI than I have from say Clauded AI, which I should say is sometimes sponsor but it gets me in a particular circumstance, it gets me reliable results and Si tootally failed So I felt The world Kledge is its weak spot at the moment. I mean, so this is day one. that's what's crazy about this is I've had discussions with people about this already and I agree. Siri AI is not the best AI. It's not the most powerful AI. But I think it's the best positioned On my device, it knows everything about me And it's private about it. It's not sucking up that da, It's not training on that data. It's not selling that to advertisers. and it never will, as far as I know. And the minute that changes, I'll let you know I don't see it changing I used it to I don't doing things like when did I last check in with my agent? And so it told me So stuff. We went off on a bend, but I just I want to I just wanted to be clear to the listeners and who read my story, it's still there and it's correct as it's written because The title is there's not a drop of Google And ntell and the new Apple Foundation models, which is true. A drop of Gemini is what I said. From the consumer standpoint, Gemin I assistant, there is none of it. No search, no Google, no nothing. did use Google technology to build the foundations of it, which I'm not denying. And even in the story, I explain that, but people can't read past headlines So I just wanted to explain that here Um So getting into what Siri AI can do and these foundation models. Basically what's happening is what we described earlier It's doing a full crawl of your device and learning everything about you and everything it can about your from your mail, everything that can be surfaced in spotlight search So Dep's app search is all being categorized by Siri AI, everything in your files app, everything that you've ever written in drafts, everything is being scraped and added to this context that the AI can pull from. So when you start typing, it has all of that information to pull from. And when it gives you an answer, it tells you everywhere it got that answer from. And deep linkist, you can click on it and go visit that information and verify that it's true Right. So I want to stop me there because you said about it being in spotlight and again, sppotlight on the Mac antastically better than the separate type serial. It is what will make me use it more. It's where you are a lot of the times, even though I don't use Spotlight I use an alternative, that keystroke is very familiar. Everything about it is great except I don't know if this is just a MAC thing But I was finding, if I typed a question Spotlight would first try to see, is he looking for a document? Is he looking for an application? And every now and again he would get stuck on that Andet head the coment. Who knows why this works or how I ever found it? If you type your question into Siri and then hold down the command key On a keyboard, it recognizes that you mean ask Siri How did I come across that? I don't know, but since I've done that, it never fails. I think indexing will help speed up those things. We're As we speak, both all of our devices are still indexing the database. We'll have a whole episode to talk about what Siri AI can do. I've been testing it. Visual intelligence is interesting. I took a picture of my meal yesterday. We had a macraronine cheese with hot dogs in it And u It's a very unhealthy meal, of course I wasn't going to say, but I did think it, okay? Yeah. Well, Siri said so too because it said this was a popular meal during the Great Depression. Thank you, Siri for telling me that our very cheap and unhealthy dinner. It's just, you know, it called it a comfort food, which it is. But yes it also just gave a nutritional details. It did not give me the ability to lo in Apple Health, which may come later. So now right now, food noms, you're safe. I can still log. Have you heard of Deep fried Mars bars It's mostly a Scottish thing, but it's a Marsbar snickers aread in Batter Yes. I might seek one out and see what happens But I'd actually forgotten about that since my iPhone is still on the waitlist. Good point. Okay. I asked it about the Apple TV when it released and when TBOS came out researching information about the compatibility list for TVOS, which we can mention here They're cutting off for the first time ever TheV Apple TV HD and Apple TV four The first time ever in TVOS's history is dropping support for two of the oldest models. One came out in twenty fifteen, O came out twenty seventeen But just like with Apple Watch I'll mention here continontue to work And they will get security updates for another five or six years When security updates end for the Apple TV HD, it will be over, I want to say fifteen or sixteen years old We're going to be fine here guys. It's the Netflix app is still going to work on your Apple TVHD if you're still using it in your gym or something So I asked the questions about that. It showed me where it got the information from Itet allowed me to click those links, open them in Safari, read it for myself. It' all very accurate I asked it the history and plot of Kingdom Hearts. I asked it very specific detailed questions that only the biggest nerds on Earth would ever know or understand about that very, very complex series They got it one hundred percent right all of the time And it showed me that it pulled from Fandom and Wikipedia This is a really interestnteresting showing from Apple Because normally Even in the best chat GPT in cloud models, you're going to run into at least thirty percent rate of hallucination. Something somewhere is going to get wrong I could't I couldn't find anything in these like information queries that were wrong because and it was I think what was most interesting is it was pulling verbatim quotes from these locations, not trying to summarize itself. And I think that is what's making the Siri AI so well Although that means Go to that original side. Yeah, notot glad in that side have your eyeballs and so This is a whole different discussion we're gonna have to get into. I agree with that problem from a pure informational standpoint point I'm trying to make is Siri AI is trustworthy and accurate How that affects the web and human engineering and our ability to produce for the web. That's a whole different discussion. We're going to have to have it. I you know Listeners should know where I stand on this. It's a problem Google has already ruined the web I don't know how we're going to fix it. But if this is the world we have to be in Of the choices we have, I think Siri AI is getting it right Metization wise, it's still destructive We gott to figure out we're going to monetize the web in this world. If this is how we have to live How are we monetizing? And that is a discussion we're going to have to have as a society and we will have in this podcast, but For now functionally speaking Oside of those problems. Yeah. it is reallyally on point I had one so the whole time I've been using it, I've asked it several different questions. We went and saw a musical the other day. It was called That's Broadway. It was a choir production actually more than a musical So a choir was in the background singing in the front stage, had a few dancers and lead singers would come out sometimes, but it was not a set, it was a choir production. And they did music from various Broadway shows across history. and one of the shows they represented was Cabernet. And they had a bunch of dancers come out dressed in very flashy clothing as per the play or the musical And I took a photo of them posing at one point because photography was allowed, just not flash U I sent that photo, no context and said, Hey, what musical is this representing? And it told me, Cabernet And I asked what time and date was the photo taken becausecause it was a metadate. I knew it could get that right and it said this time this day I said or the time day location. And I said, okay What was playing there at that time. And it told me this and this playing at that time, it got everything right It even listed the notes of the musicals that they were referencing in it onlyn thing it got wrong And I understand why it got wrong because I went and checked was the name of the musical That's Broadway. It gave some other name And that's because nowhere in the text on the Facebook post it pulled it from was the name of the show. It was only visible in the media, the photo of the announcement of the play. So Fair but it did present it very confidently that that was the name of it. And that was the one real big hallucination that I could find for SAI so far. Out of everything that I've thrown at it, it's interesting that that was the one thing that got wrong. I think you're anything to do with numbers An anything to do with numbers is gonna to get wrong. Math How many days till? how many letters in the word salid, I don't know. like just it can't count. Anything to do with math it just can't count. That's just AI, though. It's not deterministic. It doesn't know numbers, it can't count Anything else on SirI. We're going to have a whole episode on Siri AI. so this is more of an overview than an actual depth thing Well again, this sounds like such a silly thing since I've been a bit a little bit sarcastic about the tiny, tiny visual changes toacest, but I really like the look of Sirio on the map the smooth animation to start a presentation forts I quite enjoy calling it up. and that's I thought I would miss The rainbow curved stuff Well we didn't have that on the mac, especially had it kind of in the corner. and I'd never noticed I had such a wide monitor. byy the time I realized Type Si was up, it was almost gone I like the new look. so That's a deep analysis there. There's so much, there's so much here. literally like three hundred things Individual features were announced that weren't mentioned on the keynote stage. U Home Kit Scure video is now in four K Um The whole map has an upgrade with intelligence for detecting events that can and cameras that can tell you what's happening and there's a silly thing in the keynote with a raccoon U we have. the ability to basically invoke visual intelligence anywhere using the screenshot tool. there's P phhoto editing tools, which we don't have time to get into today There's a lot that the leakers got wrong. that just did not appear in this keynote that we're going to have to talk about separately. The pro camera app with widgets did not appear during this keynote Um Eone was wrong about Apple's involvement with Gemini. They said it was going to be a white label. They said it was going to have Gemini models running on iPhone. None of that was true. And I don't know why anyone ever thought that was true. I think that was pure supposition. U because that was not what Apple said was happening and we now see confirmed what is happening and is not that. So there is a lot to discuss here. WWBC is only just finishing its week We'll be back with so much more to get into. The first Reach out to us, tellell us what you think of WWDC, tell us what you think of the show You can find me on Blue skky, Hilly. tech to talk to me there, Messodon, Hilly tech. you can Eail me Wess itp onnsider. com And also you can leave a review in Apple Podcast where we will read it here every week And this week we have two reviews I want to get through quickly Let's see. I think it's Krishnana Kant twenty six. They give us five stars. willill they call it Dihone Fold They're skeptical. they're going to call this an iPhone at all I think it'll be an iPhone because that is Apple's strongest brand and they want this thing to sell. If they call it an iPad as much as I would like that I It's not going to sell as well Apple want people to use it as their main device, which one of the Features in IiOS twenty seven is the ability to use the same number across two devices. I think that is an iPhone foold specific feature U It'll be interesting to see how this goes. But yes, that iss basically what they're asking. How iss Apple going to convince people to buy this thing I don't know. still there's still no leaks. We haven't even seen the thing. There's code suggesting I was working on it. IS IOS twenty seven mention this is the thing. It mentions folding angle and multiple displays in IOS twenty seven. and you can resize your windows from in iPad OS to make iPhone apps wide Yes I've never denied that this thing exists. The iPhone foold is in development My question is, is it going to be ready to release in the fall Is Apple going to bother releasing it at all because of all these delays. We'll find out together But there still hasn't been any leaks Let's see. You guys have such excellent names, I have to really read them Fantastic Faz fifteen Four stars Um They say they're going off of the Wesley talalks too much one. Someone mentioned that they like hearing William. they're assuming because they like the British accent. Let's go British Oh I thought I was special, but no o. So they have a specific question for you All right, okay. Are you bothered by the fact that it's English only for CAAI and not localized in British English? Yes. I was actually much more concerned when Siri when Apple intntelligence first came out, I even started trying to there was a limit and I was trying to switch all of my devices to American to get it to work so I could write about it. And it's amazing the difference You not in America, you have twelve hourclock and as of AM and PM behind it. What's the matter with you all? I don't know. And just countless things kept coming up like that. So when it came back to being in British English, I was happy this time around, I'm aware of the differences and I'll be happy when it's properly localised The voices I've been hearing Brit voices sound good to me. I was gonna say it The new voice As we're closing up, what do you think of the voice? I've only heard it on the presentations. and where was it an example I saw I haven't been able to get it on the phone yet because I'm still in the waitlist, all that stuff. But One of them I couldn't tell the difference. Another one I thought ye I'll have that. It's a little bit stunning. I have it on mine and I turned it on I can't you can't adjust the spepeed and tone yet in the beta, but you can turn on the voice male or female sounding Um, Yeah, wow. just Every single time it speaks, I'm just like, this is incredible I know voice toetxt, engines have gotten way better. I know Claude and whatever. everyverybody opened AI made their voices sound like Samuel Jackson a long time ago. whatever. I get it. They did it first. Still Just like with Siri AI, not being the best It's the one on my phone, it's the one I'm going to use and man is it good William work and people F staring at my own phone waiting for the waitlist to come through. But while I'm there, I'll be at Williamappplandinider. com and then as ever on YouTube. fifty eight keys, where at the moment I'm looking at WWDC, specifically for a writers' and that's quite interesting as this She's surprisingly pal I didn't tell you that. Go find out for yourself on you do Yeah, deffinitely give it a watch Of course, I'd like to thank our sponsors once again North Stellar, inscribe AI and If you don't want to hear about sponsors. As always, you can subscribe to Apple Insider pllus where you're going to get an ad free extended edition of the show. 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It's a workaround But we're waiting on Apple to get all this fixed. It seems that IOS twenty seven, funny enough A is addressing some of these things Chapters are coming to video podcast, for example. So they're actively working on this. We're doing what we can. I'm glad that you guys are excited about video, but honestly, it's a podcast. We are still audio first. We're not out here waving our hands or holding up pom poms or anything So Well it is those ones, but you know, that's That's for the onlyn fans version Yeah. so I will say you're not missing anything Yeah But that would do I use that myself Yeah. Yeah. So in any case, thank you for listening. thank you for being there for supporting us. everyveryone, thank you for listening. You listening at all is supporting our show. You don't have to be a paid member to support us. As always, reach out, let us know what you think. giveive us topics for the post show Tal to us. 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