Using AI Agents for Triage

Hello and welcome back to another episode of App Stories. Today's episode is brought to you by Decagon. I'm John Vores and with me is Federico Vitici, Hey, Federico Hello John and by the time this episode is out, happy belated th of July Oh well, thank you. Thankk you. Yeah, it's on a weekend this year, which is kind of nice. It's always a little weird when it's the middle of the week And I have we're trying to figure out what we're going to do for the weekend. mayaybe see some fireworks You know, we're definitely going for some barbecue Okay some good southern barbecue. That seems like a thing to do, especially when Right now, it's approaching one hundred degrees by the fourth of July in North Carolina. You know, like thirty mid thirties Celsius and You don't want to be cooking like hot meals in your house. It just makes. The whole comfort thing even worse. So we got be outside. Yeah, we'll go we'll go out for a meal that day. and you know, that's just one of our strategies. Grill out, grill outside salads and notot hot food in the house, go out to dinner. That's the heat strategy right there All right, but we're not here to talk about fourourth of July plants and barbecue and no, you got me going. I'm sorry. We are here for a veryer much related topic email Yeah, very, very, very related. Yeah, we're going to talk about email because Well I want to guess gauge your relationship with email because first'll let me let me kick it off because I've sort of in a way I've given up on an email in the sense that I've admitted to myself that I'm never going to be good at email All I can do is hope to survive email. And so my strategy is just to makeake sure that the important stuff doesn't get missed and everything else I'm not going to worry about it anymore. Yeah I don't want to I wouldn't call it a relationship more so that I'm like a slave to something that happens to me L like email, email happens to me It's like I'm an unwilling participant in this stream of messages that Come every day and look Let me say upfront. It's a good problem to have. peopleople care enough about us to send us emails, right? Yes except for the people with the weird pitches for crazy stuff and want their CEO is on the podcast. E Now now we're not complaining about the actual developers who are sending us Oh we' not not at all. Although that whole team has changed and I want to talk about that in a few minutes I mostly wan to talk I mostly want to complain about like, People who sign you up for newsletters that you didn't sign up for yourself. We random EDR companies with real stock that want to get their CEOs on your podcast The people who begin their emails saying Fuero Rico, and this is totally a byproduct of AI I read your article about about I don't know, getting more work done on the iPad. I wanted to pitach you this iPhone game, like you're not even trying. You're just finding something Remotely related to what connection to your name, ye. A connection to my name. There's the people who send you an email address to the wrong person or the wrong name or the wrong website. Like Federico, we're such huge fans of your work at Cult of Mac. like Yeah that Are you? Yes. you are enoy you're writing on MC rumors. Yeah go. No know, that's the other MC. Yeah Max something. we So that's so that's yeah, that that's mostly my my leist of complaints and Th those emails are kind of impossible to stop, right There are Although I liberally block certain ones that are really egregious mark them a spam or black we can get to that. We can get to the to the techniques that we have for marking a spam and blocking. Before we get to, we talk about that, I wanted to talk about something that has changed over the past seventeen years that I've been doing Max stories, right Yeah The unsolicited email has always happened Sure, Spam has always existed. What has changed in the past year and you can actually trace the I actually want to run some analytics on my email. mayaybe using Fable if Fable is indeed coming back. Um I can potentially trace back too the launch of Cot code In what? February twenty twenty five? So a year and a half ago Yeah. although I think it didn't really super pick up until fall, like no. picked up in the fall and in December when people were on holiday from work. Yeah. So especially over the past six months, there's probably going to be if you graph it out, there's probably going to be like like the beginning of a curb in twenty twenty five and then the curb just shoots up at the end of twenty twenty five the end of twenty six. I would say I would put it this way, Federico. Around review season, we always get a lot of email because our new OSs and a lot of developers are contacting us. but then that usually dies down during the winter holidays. This past year, the winter holidays just kept on going. Yes. So every day, every day we are getting twenty to thirty new apps from people who would never heard before. Some of them are I don't want to say spammy, they're like spam adjacent They're obviously like actual people. I will say, they're not represented by a PR firm Most of They're the hardest to deal with because like You can tell they're actual people You can tell they're not being represented by a spammy PR agency.. Most of those emails are coming from gmail. com addresses. So they're not even potentially new developers, We just vibe coded something Yeah Most of those apps are bad. And I don't reply because I see your first experiment But it's not up to the the degree of quality that Max or his readers would expect from something that we cover And they're coming from actual people who probably have never even read Max Stories before, right But those messages are written in a way that are obviously written by Claud or Codex or some other agent They sound human like enough not to trip up any spam filter or anything And they are coming from somebody.. The problem is that the quality on average is really bad found that the bigger problem for me is that In that sea of emails, in that ocean of emails that we get that are C gems. It would suck if we missed those. Yep. You'd never want to miss the drums and that's that's really the big. And that's the core of the struggle for these episodes, I think Yeah There's like an unprecedented amount of email But in that in that pile, being aided by AI and agents There' still ten percent. ual messages from new up and coming developers. that is actually good stuff Yeah. I mean, it would be easy if it was just a matter of looking at the emails from the developers who we've written about before because they're all you know, all these email apps have a way of, oh, this person is You know, you've corresponded with this person before float them up to the surface. You know, a lot of these apps that we'll talk about have that kind of feature to them. And that's great because then if there is a big new release from a developer whose app we already know and like and have written about in the past, we'll be on top of it. A big part of our job is discovering the new stuff too, and the new stuff has become Very, very difficult now to parse. Yeah And before we talk about our current approach, both for new senders, new developers, as well as our existing relationships with important people that we've been working with for a few years I kind of wanted to touch on our previous email setups, sort of our history of email, if you will vinity I think I can Cown to theep primary email clients that I've used over seventeen years on one hand, potentially Apple Mail Mailbox rest in peace Al being the greatest Um, In box, did you ever use in box I think that was Gmail, butbox G Inbox by Google Thankk you At some point I was using mle, mail plane A Gail rapper for the map Yeah Superhuman Most recently as of last year, short wave Short wav is more than one hand. Let's Yeah We. You can feit them on two hands Short wave, number six Miss Missive, I think, right? Didn't we both use missive or did I only use for like no. We use it for like complete. a week as a trial. Nobe I used it longer earlier This patch. remember this patch? Oh madeade by the same developers behind do the timer and alarm I US Yeah. I was never a big dispatch user. I remember used for quite a while. I loved it because it was the first email app to implement URL schemes and integrations like IOS six or something Before the share sheet even was a thing N all ye I think that's probably it for me And and how about mail? justust regular Ale I mention Apple Mail. I mentioned Apple Mail. I love the look of Apple Mail. historically, the performance of Apple Mail has always been terrible, especially with search And supposedly that's getting better. Oh twenty seven. I have two more for you. Okay Air mail Carel number number se. seven eight And of course, now Spark Nine Okay. I think I' not I think that's it. That's a lot though It's a lot of email clients over the years someome key takeaways for me Apple Mail always loved the inbox design. Hedated the search functionality for GML, the lack of push modifications, the lack of third party integrations Supposedly, the search is getting better in twenty seven Yeah. They launched the Apple I intelligent. Apple intntigent powered categories. Like last year. I don't like those because they're not customizable enough for my taste. They're like just decided by Ale and I just I want to create my own my own stuff Superhuman really loved the performance U really fast keyboard driven on the Mac kind of dislike the overall vibe of the company initially like Years ago when I first tried Superhuman, you were supposed to like to do a private with them on Zoom and it was in beta forever and they still made you pay a very high fee. used to be on the beta. Really high fee. And then it got acquired by by Grammarly Grammarly now they're like the now the whole company is called superhuman and superhuman maail is one of the products. I would say things Yeah, I would say about Sperhuman. I was never impressed by their AI integration too. I mean, at least I think that both both both Shortwave and Spark do a better job with AI integration. I think so I will also mention airmill Always being like V customizable. getting inted. buggy. very veryer, very buggy. veryery buggy mailbox Many years ago, that was like I hardly even remember mailbox. thirteen years ago or something, which was acquired by Dropbox Remember you used to have to like to it was the first app that kind of popularized the idea of a waiting queue or getting access to a service. Wasn't it the first email client that did a unified inbox two? Wasn't it their innovation I think so especially when IL. Oh, you know what it was too. They allowed you to manually reorder the email. Yeah That's the M hardy feature that that was Mike Mike is still missing in a bunch of apps. Well, that's for people who use their inboxes to do list, which I try not to do. Right. But it's good But it's a good feature. The design was great. The design was great though And I think overall I all be o. I should mention Joh ahead. another Not a client a service that I used for many years. It's been a sponsor before of max stories and op stories. that I used for many years and then I stopped Sbx. Oh For many years. I used samebx on top of my Gmail. Myary account is a GMA account and Yeah, for many years, I used that to organize my messages between same letter, se newsletters, san black hole, like all those things I stopped a couple of years ago. Yeah, they're still around and once in a while, I wonder like how they're faring compared with the current you know, AI boom because a lot of what they did can be done in a of almost directly in a lot of email apps now. And I think too, Feder Rico, we need to pause and say that we are using the terms email app and email client loosely because I have been yelled at on the internet before for calling something an email client that is in fact not an email client because it is based on Gmail. and you cannot have an email client that is a Gmail app Gmail compatible app it's based on an API. Sure. Yeah, as should mentioned, this conversation will be mostly focused on Gmail because that's what we use. Yeah. Yeahnost mail. You forgot one. What Which would make it number nine or ten? Ten, I think Mind stream. Oh, of course. Well, mimestream. yeah, I I'm using mimestream a little bit right now. I I go back and forth with it. I think it's a fantastic g It's native in all the best ways. It's fast supports all the current Gmail type of, you know, API features I think that the where where it where it lacks a little bit is that It doesn't have any of this AI stuff built into it that we're going to talk about in. And for the volume of email that we have that we talked about at the top I need some sort of help in bringing this email together in a sane way without and MimSream just doesn't do that, although I do like that they're in beta now on their iPad and iPhone app. and I do like having option because they use the same kind of token IDs Gmail ID codes that are using Gmail and Sark. You can kind of move between those three apps pretty easily. And as a result, sometimes I like to link to MimSream because it's a better reading and replyance experience on mobile sometimes, I think My other problem with Apple Mailough you mentioned it Historically the thread view of Apple Mail has always been kind of broken for me. Like it's not as I think, for example, both mimSream and Spark do a better job at displaying threads over long conversations Whereas sometimes In Apple Mail, you end up with a weird Like the Oh yeah, where it's layer after layer after lay layer. Yeah. And like it I don't know how to reproduce it, but sometimes it just happens. Whereas if I open the same thread in Spark or superhuman or MimSream, it displays the thread as individual messages correctly Yeah. Speaking of bugs, you know, spark sparks sometimes. little rough around the edges here and there It can be it be. I find things that'll happen like it'll get stuck in bulk edit mode and I can't get out of it without quitting the app and restarting it, that kind of thing on the Mac This episode of Ap Stories is brought to you by Dekagon. 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Yeah, I like That whole context of the ten or so appsough We consider the main Those are not the only email apps that we use over the years. I think those are the ones that we considered the main ones at some point over the past almost two decades. Yeah, right There were many others, like many other email apps that we just downloaded, tried for a couple of days and then there was one where you swiped back and forth. I was using for a while. you were use call You were using like Can inbox something. Oh yeah, it was Clean email. it was Can it was a service that worked somewhat like Saint Bx, some like S like some of the things Spark does, yeah. We've tried many email utilities, like in addition to the main app that we're using, those are just the ten main ones. Yeah. Over the past few months, we have both settled Both for personal reasons because I think individually we both like the same app And also as a team because of the team sharing features, we have settled on Spark by Reado which as we mentioned before, like the app is not Perfect. It's not the greatest native apple Especially on iPad, it can be weird in a bunch of ways with the sidebar. The launch of the redesigned Macup was especially rough a couple of years ago Drove a bunch of people away, including Mike, I believe. they did that whole thing with like marking messages as done instead of archiving them and then they kind of backtracked on which is the same thing, but which just read the same thing But I think it's al right. If you ask me like give it a rating, like it's a solid seven out of ten. I think for me I wors eight even because of the CLI and some of the other tools we can talk about, but Eactly, exactly. and for me, I mean I get like I'm kind of the same way the non native aspect of it bothers me a little bit. The design bothers me a little bit too. The reality is I kind of see that some of this stuff is being driven by the technologies and the tools and the services they're trying to layer on. And that's in part why it's not native, I think, and because obviously they want to they want to sell to more than just Mac and iPhone users. So obviously I kind of get it. but and I think overall, yes, it does work very well for me personally and for us as a team even though I don't think I wouldn't say that you and I share I share a lot But here's the thing When an important message needs to be shared, we're using a tool that lets us do that. Yeah, exactly So it's like for us, I think And like We're not those types of people that like have an assistant that's combing through our emails. We're not that fancy. No I don't know about you, John. I'm sharing my draft emails with Federico to make sure they're oak to get them approved by the boss. Do you have an executive assistant, John? Do you need an assistant My my my my executive assistant is Claude or Codex, I think. Yeah I I've been through I've been down this road with my thoughts many times over the years. I don't know, man. I yeah, maybe I' Maybe I'm wrong, Maybe it's like Um, A little toxic behavior that I have I don't know I don't ot too much of a control free to trust an assistant as a person. And also like whenever I whenever I thought, oh, maybe I should hire somebody to help me out Just me potoxic behavior don't use this as advice I just thought to myself, man, just grind it out a little. and ut your head down and do the work and stop complaining. But that's just me. Yeah Well I think we'reil. are similar. Yes. I think we are similar that in that wayve. anyyway. So we don't share a lot of emails But but when needed, we can. Yes And so and it's especially nice also that like if John starts sharing an email with me or vice versa It's all like I have to reply, I can just monitor a threat. Yeah. I mean, the kind of places where I say we would do it it be like, oh it tax time when we're dealing with our accountant and maybe the accountant leaves Federico off of a reply. I just join him in so I don't have to be constantly filling him in on what the latest developments are and you can just kind of follow It's that kind of setuff really? Yes And also like being able to being able to share and assign things with a wider Maxorice team. especially during IOS an Pad OS review season When we get all the emails from the new apps and app updates If something is related to WatchWS, for example, I can instantly share and assign to Jonathan Visionual S goes to Deon, stuff like that I also appreciate before we talk about AI, Ise appreciate that I can create folders and smart folders My, uh I am not a huge Folder person. I know that we have listeners who almost religiously organize their emails into folders. I just use folders usually when I have a trip coming up. And I want to make sure because I I have never understood in Gmail I actually kind of don't understand the Gmail structure at all. I don't either and Spark kind of hides a little bit of it for you anyway. so I't I don't worry about it too much. I have things that are either tagged or foldered. and what I do is when like for WWDC, for example, Yeah, I would create a WWC twenty twenty six folder and all of my travel and like Apple PR communication showsing that folder Almost like as a receipt log of all the things for that particular trip. When I'm done with that trip I delete the folder, but keep the messages. Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. And I use it a little bit for things like Sometimes having those tags on make it easier for when you're using the CLI or or AI agents to find what you're talking about. So I do that as kind of a a way for things to be more easily found sometimes The other thing that' Spark I like Federic. I don't know if you do this. I do the screening thing where new senders absolute pop up they pop up at the top of the screen as new senders and you can kind of see a very small thumbnail of The beginning of the email to see what it's about And that's where I block a lot of senders. If it's at all about an app, I let it through. prettyretty much no questions ask asked because then I will go through it more carefully later. and if it ends up being junk anyway, then I might block it or just delete it or whatever. but I do use that screening process which is helpful. And I get quite a few of those every single day I want to talk about this because it it's both a problem, but also a solution at the same time. A problem in the sense that as I mentioned before, we now get a lot of new senders And so this morning, for example Now that I'm done with a bunch of things and I'm just looking ahead at the next projects, which we are going to talk about in Asorce plus for Usource plus members, we're going to talk about our upcoming projects for the year This morning I woke up I was like, o, I need to do something because the new senders, the John I was about to say something And then I realized We missed An email service. What Hey. You know what? We don't like to remember those stuff. We don't like to remember it. And also it totally screwed up my email because but there was there was a blip in in the email universe that cut off my some of my Macstory' email someome of my email got lost in those transitions and for a while that was a real problem, but it's not because that was years ago Federico since, literally since you and I. Let me see what happen? In the last two hours, I've had I've got probably another ten newew senders U I got Seven. And it's like All of these, I'm looking at it onn the Mac, when you open the new Cenders page There's a greatre view And These are all apps All apps every day like this. anyyway So this morning I woke up, I looked at my new senders page and it said three hundred and something. I was like, Oh my gosh, I need to do something So I started doing some of this manually except and mark is done. like The people who are genuine people by the app is not Good enough I accept them but I mark it as done because I want to make sure that in the future, if they come back with something else that I see them. Same. H's here's a question for you. Do you ever here's one coundrum I have sometimes is sometimes those new senders, they might be from a PR agency and you wonder, if I block this PR agency because they're sending me this thing that's completely irrelevant to Max stories Am I going to miss out on something useful in the future I think the answer to that is usually no But I do have that that's one of those things that's a little hard to judge sometimes. My rule of thumb is that if a PR agency with absolutely no taste and no effort whatsoever sends me a message They don't deserve to work with me. Okay. That's a good point I ain't got time for everybody in the world, man. but yeah you and me both. And we're not the type of publication that just publishes anything. So if you don't put in even a modicum of effort into sending an email message, care You know, what am I missing out on? Yeah If it's also a lesson that I've learned over seventeen years. If it's really good and important, itll it will find its way to me. Yeah, I I h that. I'll discover it So you know what people like to send email about? They like to send those bird feeders that have little cameras in them I don't have to get. I get emails about that all the time. Bd' like bird feeders? Bird feeders that have a little little webcam in them so you can take video of the birds eating the seeds I don't know. They're very popular. a bird You got a bird man. J I heard them putut in the background of your podcast. I'm sure that'll be fine. People would appreciate that, I'm sure. Yeah Anyway, so I started doing some of of this I mentioned Heay because this feature was in Hay. I think Hay actually invented this feature and it was called the screener Yeah, yeah Hey K of Pro terrible. I don't think the A has really progressed much since. No. you We don't like to talk about that plenty of other email services you should Anyway, I started doing this and I realized twenty minutes later, oh I'm getting nowhere. Yeah Yeah finally So one of the the other reason why we started using spark is spark is First, one of the first examples of an email That is not just doing MCP They're doing a full blown CLI There has multiple modes for agents Read only or read and triage Plus a whole bundle of skills, which I don't use. they have like these recipes of like Yeah, I don't use those yet. Give me my weekly briefing. I don't need that. I just need my codex or clod Codex for me to just handle my email. So this morning I opened up a thread in Codex and I was like Let me explain something things to you. in terms of what I consider spammy, what I consider interestnteresting And what I just consider something that needs to be blocked immediately. Go through my new seenders list and find, for example Ball whose pitch begins with name dropping an article of mine and then pitching something completely unrelated And he found like thirty of those people And I was like, and then find newsletter sign ups or like things that I did not sign up for Yeah. And so long story short, I went from Three hundred hundred thirirty eight which is pretty good. Yeah It's more than half Now for the other half, I'm screwed because like all of those I'm scrolling now and I see, these are all potentially legit So I'm glad to hear that you're worse off than I am right now with email perhaps. Oh know I'm terrible, especially after WWC. Oh, I know. I'm a little bit cut up from them, but not terribly. I just S nights I just sit on the couch and do email and I feel terrible about it. because it's like, what am I do with my life? I'm sitting on the couch doing email and I should be just like unwinded And like but like here's a struggle.'s here's the thing that gets me because like some people would say, well The job is not email Yeah sick setting aside the Bic truth that There's going to be important communications from our lawyers, our accountants Apple PR That type of stuff it gets immediately marked as priority for me. L I never miss those communications. Right Obviously that email needs to be handled, invoices, sponsors, like all that stuff. is in a different league U It's the other bucket. L the apps and the developers. And it's separating the developers and the apps from the everything else, really? it's That's not as clear a boundary as something as our lawyer You know, sent us an email. Right But you can make an argument to say, o, no, but like your job is not to do email Y job is to create content and do what people expect from you, which is kind of a hippy argument if you ask me. becausecause yes, I could come up with all the article ideas in the world and probably be fine for a year, right? Until I will reach the bottom of of my thought barrel and be like, okay, I'm out of thoughts. I've written all the articles. The problem is that Part of the reason why Mac Stories I think is still relevant is that we like to stay curious and we like to discover new things and we have grown an audience that is pretty much aligned with us in terms of like, I don't want got stuck using the same software for thirty years, I want to try something new. And so it's part of the job is to try something new, right B. It used to be easier to separate junk from the good stuff years ago, now It's everythingthing is a greatay area in that bucket. Yeah. And I don't really have a good strategy and it's a beond. It's a bigger bucket that gets filled Every day progressively more. And and Let's how also face it Most of these apps are obviously vipe coded It doesn't mean they'reerad Exactly. So they're not even bad. they're just China say me Some of them are very samey. I thinks it's the exceptional person who takes the vibe codating to the next level because they also have product sense and design sense and Yes whichich is maybe this is like A whole separate episode of A stce That is because I think I've seen enough of these hundreds of messages now that it's very easy to separate the sort of the vibe coding spectrum, if you will, like there's the basic vibe coding, you can totally tell. like dark design, buttons aligned in a grid. That's a clot code design. Really verbose UI.'s codex. That's a teX. Codex. Th And then like you start going up the spectrum, right And you startort seeing, okay, they also have a website. The website is also vicoded. and you can tell Sif font, orange accents clawed, right? And then every sle time. everyvery single time. And then or you go to a website and it's like a wall of text, that's poor GPT trying its best to design a front end for a website and it just it just can't design its way out of a box. It just can't design its way out of a explanatory text that tells you this is the page where you're gonna see a list of items And there's a list of items on the page but Codex needs to tell you onn this page you will see these items. Then you start move urther and further in the vibe coding spectrum, and you reach those people that actually have a product design sense And people who people who can tell that like they were obviously assisted by AI, but maybe they commissioned A custom icon for the app, maybe they actually have really good documentation. They have a website that is personalized and funny and engaging and and an app stored description that is not obviously written by clot code. And so It's really challenging to separate these many degrees of AI assisted U emails and products that we receive Anendy I don't think I have a really good strategy beyond given the Given that it's a large amount of text A large language model is a pretty good way to help you process a large amount of text. Yes, Yes. Gmail Be based on Gmail really helps because any modern AI chatbot an agent integrates with Gmail. Yeah, it's got a great API. It makes it very easy. G API and things with them. I don't recall the last time I saw Gmail Dntime No, right, exactly. Never happens basasically. Right And so I think it's I think the only looking ahead U I'm sure at some point twenty twenty six or twenty twenty seven I will come up or you will come up with the phrase Hey, we should try this other email app Yeah we did love each other all the time But I think now that I have seen what Spark can do with the CLI, I think that's going to be my sort of my my baseline. going Yeah like I wouldn't want to use Something else where Because the interesting part about Spark is that it's not just like a GML CLI because I can get a GMail CLI from a bunch of other places What's interesting is that it maps the app's UI and hierarchy two of the CLI New seenders is not a Gmail feature. The screening area is not a Gmail feature. it's a spark feature. but that feature which in the U in the app is literally a UI a separate page But for an agent, it's just a filter Yeah. So this idea of The same thing can be both a visual UI feature or a command for an agent 've been spoiled by that and I want that any email client Yeah I try next. I do too. I do too. And some practical examples I think would probably help here because people probably wonder it's like, well why would you use a CLI for email? Because you don't you're not going to read your email in a CLI. it's like, no What I do is I'll have codex or Claud. for instance I have it now go through every single test flight email that I get automatically archive them And then take the ones that have they don't always have you know, like release notes in them, but when they do I have them create a summary report of all the things that have changed by app. And send it to me daily so I can see what's going on with the apps that I'm on betas with. becausecause I literally get dozens dozens of those every day. That's a really good idea. Yeah, it's good. This is, you know, I got so many Stay around for the proro show. I've got some projects I'm working on with all this. And then another one does app pitches and it simply gives me kind of a short summary because sometimes, you know, they can be a little verbose. And so it takes it, it boils it down. It also follows any links in the emails to like someone's product page looks at considers that information and then boils it all into a summary of what the app's all about. enough to the point where I can give it kind of the This needs more investigation or this isn't worth my time And that's kind of my first cut is using that sort of thing from a report So that I don't ever even have to go into into Spark to do that, they automatically get archived But They're all linked back to the original message. So if I do find that one that it's like, oh, this is really interesting. I want to take a closer look at this. all I have to do is click the link and I'm in the original message and I can diging a little bit deeper myself Those are two top tips Y So thank you for those. So yeah,, that's what we're using now That sort of our setup and history with email. I'm curious to see if an alternative to Spark that has both As everywhere shharing features and agent integration will come out in twenty twenty six Um, I don't really want to use the Gmail app because I don't understand its structure, never have, never will, probably And for now we're using Spark and bu We'll see about the future. I I am extremely behind. But I'll be working my way through. Yeah Yeah That'll be fun. L, We'll enjoy our email Someday, you know, don't feel like you have to conquer email. J you just have to survive. You just need to stay above water. You just have to stay above water. No drowning in the email allow just just enough to keep breathing. you're just kind yes. Exactly. 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