Future Workflows and Final Thoughts

Hello, and welcome back to another episode of App Stories I'm John Voorhees, and with me is Federico Vitti ci. Hey Federico. Hello, John. How are you? I'm having a great day. I'm having a great day. I I'm I'm excited to talk to you about something that we haven't talked about in quite some time. Well, this is a classic returning app stories episode that it's not a pick two episode. No uh uh but it's another classic we're gonna talk about text editors. The whole the whole category. The whole category. Yeah. The the whole thing. I'm sure there's a list in our catalogue of almost five hundred episodes, which we are approaching with milestone. I'm pretty sure there's at least a couple, probably more, episodes about text editors. Um, but what's interesting about this, and the reason why I immediately said yes when you came up with the idea, is that uh this landscape has in many ways both stayed the same but also changed a lot. And I mean obviously part of it is because of AI. Uh the other part I think when you look specifically at Apple is sort of the convergence of iPadOS and Mac OS. Um, there's been a lot of churn on the app store , I think also, like many, many apps from years ago that just no longer exist or are no longer maintained. Uh so sadly there's a lot of legacy software that we cannot talk about anymore . Um and and and then there's also like another, you know, topic about like plain text and markdown and the role of these file formats in the modern era that um that make this this topic very interesting, I Yeah, I think it is. And I think one of the areas that we'll talk about is these kind of scratch pad apps that you know we're we're not going to talk, I think, just about text editors in the term in terms of what you would write an article or an essay or a book in. But you know, when it comes to text editor, there's a lot of blurry lines between what's a note-taking app, what's kind of like a note-taking app that's meant to be more of a s temporary scratch pad , what's meant to be something for books. There's a whole range here, and you're right. I mean it's the landscape has changed quite a bit. A lot of things have fallen by the wayside, but there are new things popping up all the time, which is pretty exciting. Yeah. Um I feel like w I specifically like I think of maybe this is just me, but I think of a text editor. I mean anything can be a text editor, obviously, as long as you can edit some text. In my mind, the text editor is a markdown text editor or at the very least a plain text text editor. Right? So we're not like I don't think of pages as a text editor. No, I a think of word that pro ascess or. But how where would you put Notion then? Because Notion has hallmarks of a word processor. Yeah, I think it's a word processor. I think it is. I think it's a word processor. I think it's a note-taking app. I think it's a dat abase app. Uh I think note hmm. I would disagree, I think. I think I would disagree because even though I don't like to write in Notion. I mean I do. I mean I I write I have been writing in Notion. I I don't do it myself, but it does accept markdown, even though it is. I mean unlike pages does it really do that, right? It doesn't, and it does support uh the classic markdown keyboard shortcuts for example. Like you do co you do Command K, you can insert a link. You can natively, both in the Notion app and in the Notion API, you can import and export content as markdown. So they do have first class support for markdown. They did just update the API to make that markdown support even better just like a week ago. So I I think I think Notion While maybe it didn't start there because it was a block based editor that it's support it is moving closer to what we would consider maybe a more traditional text editor. Yeah. So I and I mean I have been using Notion as my text editor. In fact, to prepare for this episode, I checked out after after m nearly a year, I think ten months or so, Obsidian again. Okay. Which I stopped using just before WWDC last year. And I mean we are, at this point it's April, and we are just before WWDC. In two months, it'll be WWE. So it's the one year anniversary of embracing Notion . I have 70 articles in Notion uh plus my iOS and iPad OS 26 preview uh that I imported this morning in obsidian. And fun fact I actually did it with cloud code. I I configured cloud code with the obsidian CLI, which we're gonna talk about later. And I obviously already have the Notion integration in cloud code and I said, look at this database. This is where I've been writing articles in Notion . Uh this is my Obsidian folder with an archive of my articles. I want you to uh migrate to back up those articles as markdown from Notion to Obsidian. Okay. So this is something that you can do now with text editors. I I I'm laughing only because I have three thousand three hundred artic uh Well I mean documents in my obsidian . I mean that's after archiving a lot of them about a year ago. Yeah, unfortunately years ago, I used to have a complete backup of all the articles that I ever wrote. Yeah. I should probably ask our web developer to pull an archive of all the articles that you and I have individually on Mac Donald. I mean the same thing. And then to kind of have a way to uh update it regularly going forward so that we can use that as a database to query stuff a little easier. Yeah I o I only have a subset of This episode of App Stories is brought to you by Steam Clock. You probably have opinions about app quality. 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And I've been doing that, but I mostly think of Notion as a note-taking app and as a way for me to dump information and organize it into a database rather than a writing environment. Right. Right. Well, and that's why I've stuck with obsidian. I mean, the whole time. You have stuck with Obsidian . I have because I think at the end of the day I find writing an obsidian less distracting because it's very much just plain text that I'm working in and I can have I never have more than one one or two documents showing So you only write in Obsidian. Yes, that's the big change for me. Uh it's much better now. I mean I what I found was that I was doing a lot of the things you were describing in Notion, you know, if I found a link or if I found or if I'm taking notes for something we want to talk to our web developer about. Whatever it was. No, you know, it was just ephemeral stuff, reference material, all this stuff I would keep in obsidian. And I know a lot of people do that and do it successfully. It just didn't work for me because as much as I understand and think the linking and all that is a great system for a lot of people, I never was a big linker from like one document to another. I find doing that in Notion more intuitive because it's more visual. I don't find it as easy to do in a plain text editor myself. And that's just kind of me more than anything else. I do keep everything organized by folders. And one of the things that I recently did, because I had so much old but still useful information in obsidian that was just like what I would call it's like a Mac Stories knowledge base. It's like here are how the shortcuts we use in WordPress work. Here's like all the uh the rates that we charge for advertising. You know, just inform ation about Mac Stories as a website and as a business. And I what I did is I pluedgg I pointed clawed code using the obsidian CLI. I pointed it at my database and I had to go through because it was pretty well organized into folders. I had to go through topically and go through and synthesize all that, find the important information based on my definition of what I considered important. And then I actually had Opus write summaries of all of that information into Notion with links back to the source material so that if I need to reference that I can link back and make sure that it's not inaccurate in some way, you know, not hallucinated or something. But it what it did was it condensed and it took a lot of overlapping notes that were scattered all over the place and brought 'em together in like a unified whole where it's a lot more usable for me now in Notion in just a you know a series of of pages in a database. Yeah, I I feel like the the most important point right here when we consider text editors now is that Obsidian is like i if you mostly care about markdown and plain text and customization, I feel like obsidian is sort of having a second life right now. Uh it kinda it kinda looked to me like they were maybe risking to become a little irrelevant a few years ago. But I feel like in a in a funny turn of events, the popularity of desktop AI agents. And I mostly feel like obsidian is 70 second life thanks to the popularity of cloud code, essentially. Like and how the obsidian, like how the company is embracing that. Like this idea of oh you have a bunch of folders and markdown files on your desktop while it turns out that is great input for cloud code. And they are embracing this sort of agent first nature with the obsidian command line utility. So uh there's a terminal integration with obsidian and and these ai agents they love command line utilities they sure do much much more so than mp than m than mcp yeah and they also had this new feature called the headless sync, where you can basically sync with your obsidian sync account, even if the obsidian app is not open. Which is another used to be one of the great disadvantages. Like back in the day, I used to have a Mac mini server before the M4 Mac Mini uh where I would keep the obsidian window open at all times just to make sure that it would sync in the background. And it's kind of funny how it's kind of funny how now I uh can keep Obsidian closed because they have attention open. But I but I need to have the terminal open and I need to have the cloud app open right for dispatch. So some things uh time is Yeah, for sure. Anyway, I feel like obsidian is more relevant than ever. Uh because I mean the the markdown support is still excellent. Yeah. But y uh I think it's the best markdown editor. Like if you just want to have a pure markdown editor , it's maybe between Obsidian and BB edit. Yeah, and it's really good for people who are picky because it's as you said, so customizable. It's not just customizable . That we're living in is I'm making my own obsidian plugins. Nothing fancy, but you know what I do? For instance, I have an obsidian plugin that takes the uh the the document I'm working I'm in and puts it in dropover, which is a little shelf app on the Mac because then you know what it's really easy for me to drag that into the terminal. It's just like a convenience thing. Instead of doing the you know open and finder command going to the finder dropping that in the terminal it, saves a couple of steps. And I've been doing that with a lot of little things where I'm taking the files I'm working on in Markdown and I'm shooting them off somewhere else because I could also, I haven't done this, but I I probably should do a thing where I can export it automatically into Notion straight from Obsidian using a plugin . You just gave me you just gave me an idea. Yeah. I actually I now I now that I think I don't even know if I might have already done that and I didn't even remember that I did it. But anyway, yeah, you can do that. Now that I think about it, um oh yeah I do have it, Federico. I have Send to Notion, yeah, that does exactly that and uses us I think it uses a skill. No, I was thinking um since you have um in cloud co-work, you have computer use now, right? Yeah. So potentially you could create a cloud co-work project that is only about making obsidian plugins and you point that project to the obsidian slash plugins folder and you tell cloud co-work um, create a plugin and test it yourself. And install it. Yeah. I mean that's it. Like you have your JavaScript, you have all the different little pieces for your plugin . I just have cloud install it all now. Yeah. Crazy. Okay. Uh well, all right. So Notion, Obsidian, let me mention uh I feel like there's an entire like I feel like Obsidian is the the top choice once again for reasons that are surprisingly new compared to a couple of years ago. Shifting. Shifting for sure. Because I think you're right that it it got to the point. It was so hot for so long that falls it was so hot for so long in the like Zettel Caston digital garden . And all the plugins were kinda like saturated. Like for that kind of knowledge management stuff, all the ideas had kind of worked their way through the system and it kind of plateaued for a while. Yeah. But with the advent of agents and chat bots and everything, it's really sort of taken off again. Yeah, in a different crowd, which is so so fascinating. Yeah. Anyway, um, so beyond that, um I wanna mention drafts by Greg Pierce. This is what I've been using for the past year to refine and fine-tune sort of to for the last mile of my drafts as article drafts that start in Notion, then I import them in drafts, the dra fts app, and that's where I finished them. And and it's great because like it's very native to Apple platforms. So unlike Obsidian which has the electron aftertaste, drafts is very native . Made by an indie developer. It works everywhere. They have an Apple Watch app. They have an iPad version. Excellent iPad version, I would say. Support for all the latest and greatest features from the menu bar to keep or shortcuts, multi-w indow, like all that sort of stuff. Shortcuts actions. They recently revamped all the shortcuts actions. Drafts is also sort of Greg Peers as the pulse of the community. There's a brand new drafts MCP server. There is a very new drafts command line utility. There's a drafts CLI that you can also use with AI agents. And you can obviously, just like Obsidian, you can make your own drafts actions using AI. Uh just give Cloud or ChatGPT a link to the drafts JavaScript documentation and make your own actions. That's what I've been doing. I have actions for markdown formatting things like uh footnotes or or image galleries that we use on Mac Stories, stuff like that. So I think it's an excellent markdown text editor. The thing about obsc uh the thing about drafts that can be a little strange. I think in folders when I'm when I'm like in Obsidian, I have my Mac Stories root folder and that's where I keep the articles that I'm working on. Yep. And then I have my archive folder, which is where I put the articles that I've published. And drafts as views. It doesn't have folders. So you have an inbox and then you gotta move things to the archive . I the dream for me would be like to have a folder-based version of drafts instead of a cloud kit -based version of drafts. But at that point I guess what I'm asking for, like imagine if drafts could be Obsidian in the sense that it it's like living on the file system. Instead, Drafts sort of has its own iCloud database, which is I think the biggest difference compared to Obsidian. Yeah, it really is. And and and that I think uh my hang up F when I've had one with drafts is that. I like drafts a lot, but I really like having access to the file system for all the things we've been talking about in terms of manipulating manipula manipulating text. Uh one that I should mention that I know that you don't know about is panda. I have no idea what this I honestly is is it from bear? It's another animal. Oh okay. It is is. So this a shiny frog thing, and it's a beta. This has been a beta for a very long time. It's a beta Mac app that was a beta Mac app. Yeah, and it is you you can only find it in their like their user for ums. And it and the reason I started using it again recently is that I've been looking for something I was looking for an app that would be really simple that would be a very good a very good viewer for markdown with light editing tools that I could use alongside Claude Code because a lot of times when I'm using these superpowers plug-in it's it's kind of a it it's a harness, it's a structure for doing projects in cloud code. And one of the steps in its multi-process setup is that it creates a spec for whatever it's going to build for you and you need to look at the spec and make sure that it's correct and that it's what you want to do. And that's generated in markdown. I have it open in panda. And panda is is very much the the UI that you would see in terms of the markdown, the kind of uh you know, rich text looking markdown style that Bear has built into it. But it's instead of being like Bear, which has its own sidebar and has its file system kind of baked into bare itself. This is bare but for text files on your system. So you can open any markdown file in Panda. And it's a standalone document with some basic editing controls, like you know, the usual formatting type stuff and other things for Markdown. And I've just found that it's been a very nice way of opening up these reports that I get from Claude. Sometimes they have like tables in them and things, and being able to look at that in a really nice rich text kind of way. And then when I'm done , I just close it. I mean, it's not like I'm editing a lot. I can edit in these things, and I do from time to time, but for the most part, I'm using it as a viewer, and I like it a lot for that. I've been thinking a lot about compartmentalizing my markdown use in recent weeks because as we talked about at the beginning, everything in obsidian was just too much for me. It just didn't work with the way my mind works. So Obsidian is writing, panda is viewing, and I'm also looking for I'm kind of on the fence about kind of a scratch pad app. And I've tried a lot of them. I've tried like Scratchpad by Syndrusorhoose. I've tried drafts as that kind of thing. I've tried something called MediaWrite, which is written in Go and just not native enough for me. It's like a menu bar app. I've tried a lot of different ones. I may end up trying to build one myself just because I kind of I kind of want bear. I kind of want a panda , but I want it instead of be I want it to be always available through a global hotkey is what I want. You know what you should check out? I'm gonna send you a link. There's this Mac app called Clearly Markdown. I don't know if I've ever seen it. It's a very simple app, free to use, no subscription, native Mac OS, and it just lets you open markdown files and at the top you can either switch between uh plain text view or preview mode. That's it. Oh nice. That is that's very similar to what I'm looking for. I mean the thing with Panda is it obviously it it started I've uh used it on and off forever. I actually got came back to it because Finn mentioned it to me recently because he used to work at Shiny Frog during um during college and he's been using it for a similar for a similar reason. The thing with it is though, it's it was it started out as their alpha for whatever the next major version of of Bear is gonna be. They're still working they're still working on it and it's still a beta. And ultimately I'm not sure whether this is meant to be what bear will be or whether this will eventually So I don't know that it's a permanent solution, but it is a solution that I've been enjoying so far. This episode of App Stories is brought to you by C laude from Anthropic. I've done a lot with Claude these past few months. I've built iOS, iPad, Mac, Vision OS, uh, and web apps, probably I think uh two or th ree native apps as well as twenty three, twenty-four web apps and a listen later podcast app that creates a personal podcast from articles that I wanna save. So yeah, I've done a lot with Clyde. And what I love about it is that it makes it so easy to do everything from simple scripts to full-on native applications. 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Whereas obsidian is a writing app that can handle code, Zed is a coding app that can handle writing. So there is it's coming at it from the developer side more than from the writer side. Okay. And one of the things it but but it does a very nice job with just like you know general markdown. And of course you can put any kind of text-based code in it and and develop with it. But it has a sidebar. It's very simple. It has a it has a viewer and then it has a sidebar in the sidebar you can go into the settings and you can connect up like the Cloud API or you know or you can uh or open AI's codecs and you can you can connect your existing account to Zed and so all I've been using it for is one thing is that I created an obsidian plugin with the help of Claude that opens up the current obsidian document in Zed. Then I open the sidebar, I type at the at symbol, because you're like mentioning your document. I at mention the existing document at auto fills. So it's very easy to do. And I type proofread. And it does a really nice job with Claude proofreading the document. And you can have it, you can kind of pick and choose which changes you want to, you know, like typos and things you want to fix or you can do them all at once. It's just a very nice quick way to do a quick pass uh for looking for typos, missing commas, misspellings, that kind of thing. That's what I've been using it for. But that's that's really it so far. I I thought about maybe it maybe it would replace obsidian for me, but I don't think so because I find that obsidian's plug-in system is much more ed writing bas and there's more variety there. So I don't really think and and sure I could do a lot of this in Obsidian there are plugins for grammar and spelling and all that. But there's something about using I I was using Claude before for some proofreading stuff in the Claude app and I don't really like it for that. You know, doing it uh directly in the Claude app. Doing it in Zed is a little nicer because it's all still just in plain text and any corre ctions are in plain text. You don't have to kind of like go back and forth between two apps and export as a whole new markdown file or something like that. It's all just very simple because it's all operating on the same text file. Let's see. I want to mention a few more. Runestone by Simon Stolring. It's a pretty good markdown editor, especially on iUS and AppOS. I don't think it's that nice on the Mac. It's catalyst on the Mac and it could use I mean it'd be nice if it were not catalyst, I guess is what I would say. Yeah, this is based on the files documents browser. So if you just w wannaanna have a nice mark down tool to open and edit markdown documents in the files app. I think this is pretty good. I also wanted to mention FS Notes. This is another that I keep seeing recommended on Reddit. It's open so urce. It's available on the iPhone, iPad, and the Mac. It syncs with iCloud but but it doesn't use CloudKit, uses iCloud Drive, so you can actually see folders of your documents and it supports the text bundle format, which I guess we should also mention. Text bundle. Yeah. I think it's a it's a thing that was popularized by Ulysses, remember? Yeah, I don't like text bundles. Bear uses them too. Yeah, Bear uses them. Obviously, Ulysses is also still an option. Yeah, yeah. Uh uh Ulysses has been around forever at this point. It's another iCloud-based uh text editor that's sort of hides the plain text markdown from you as much as possible. And over the years, like I used to like that idea, but I I feel like in my in my you know now that I'm a now that I'm a grown up, I tend to prefer the raw plain text markdown like uh John Gru like John Gruber intended more so than I did in my in my youngster years. Which is why I'm surprised I like panda, but I as I said I'm using it mainly for viewing, not for not for actually writing. Yeah. So the text bundle is a format that sort of allows you to bundle documents and image assets together. Yeah. I get the idea, but I tend to prefer the portability and simplicity of plain text. It's effectively what Notion does when it exports too. Kinda . Right. Kinda. I mean it's different. I know. It's it's a zip file there, but um text bundle is a similar type of idea. Yeah, that's a that's a that sounds like an interesting one. I the one that I had been using before for just like this kind of one-off markdown viewing and editing was Mark Edit, which is another open source project that's free. Very good. Another one that I've used before that you can get for fairly inexpensive on the App Store, I think, is Typewriter does a nice job with uh basic markdown support. Those are both good simple apps that you can use for this kind of thing. And I know you and I used to uh in the back in the day both write an IA writer. Uh I not my favorite anymore, but it is it does a very nice job integrating with the files app on iOS and iPad OS. They have kind of gone down this path of this AI path that is very strange to me where it's like this detecting who wrote what, where you're integrating AI writing with your own writing, and it's just not something that I want or need. So it 's just kind of not for me these days. Yeah, I don't like um that whole vibe personally. I think it's an excellent app. Could go without that part, in my opinion. Yeah. It's a little bit like a version control where the the AI is your is your collaborator or something, I suppose. I don't think uh it kinda and it kinda like obviously I I write for Mac stories and I like to write things the old fashioned way. I don't use AI for writing. But if somebody wants to I mean more power to them, you know, I don't want to make 'em feel bad. I mean and and I feel like it's a feature that's supposed to make you feel bad, maybe. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. It I I think the biggest problem for us is that it's just not necessary 'cause neither one of us is is dropping AI written text into our articles. Um is there anything else you wanted to highlight in in this new wave of text editors, John? Yeah, I mean I guess I would mention type aura, which I think continues to be developed and is is quite good, but it's very it's very web tech nology based. I mean, I think it's uh JavaScript, TypeScript, something like that. And I've tried it on and off over the years and something with about it has never clicked for me, but it's also one of those that has does a nice job of looking good, you know, taking your mark down and making it look look elegant. And so that I mean, if that's kind of your your thing, if that if you like that kind of look, whether it's Ulysses bear or whatever , type aura is is worth checking out too, I think. Yeah. What is this Atlas thing? Oh, Atlas, yeah. Atlas is one I came across recently. And I think it's kind of interesting. It's got a little bit in common with Ulysses I think in that it's it's trying to integrate both markdown and a canvas so you can put you can use a canvas to plan out your writing uh in you know, little little blocks of text or images. And then you can't you have a sidebar that can be dedicated to research and cit ations along with a list of documents in the other sidebar. And I haven't played with it a lot, but it looks it's quite full featured and it looks really nice and is native to the Apple platform. So I think it's worth it might be worth checking out for people. It's got, you know, it's got a bunch of of stuff there that's that's pretty pretty cool. Hmm. Alice. I like that it's available everywhere. And also on the iPad. Yeah, there's a lot of there's that's I mean, that's uh to me like one of the things with any kind of text based document. It really needs to be everywhere. I mean we've been you know, we've got our things that we do and don't like about each text editor, but uh it's a big nope for me if it's not everywhere. And I think more I would really like more note-taking apps in particular to be on the Apple Watch the way drafts is because I do think it is very useful to be able to dictate a quick note on the Apple Watch, you know, with your voice or using scribble or whatever. And there aren't very many apps that support that for for note taking. Yeah. So well , I think I'm gonna have to check out Obsidian again. Like this to sum it all up. I feel like uh I feel like the the the landscape has both stayed the same and changed enough, then maybe I gotta tell you, I do, I do I cannot imagine any scenario in which I am not dropping tid bits from my brain into my daily notes in Notion or or links from Safari like Notion as a place to dump information and to organize information, especially with Notion AI to search for that later. Yep. It's pretty great. Well, and that's I think that the that's the key difference is Notion AI because I think that you and I have tried all sorts of systems over the years that would be like the everything app, the dumping the you know, the dumping ground for things, but the hard part has always been finding it again. And I think with Notionai, it's uh it's a lot better. It's better than just regular search . Yeah. Yeah. And but uh but I've been feeling the the the pool of a space just for writing, you know. Yeah and I and and and I don't think I actually ever used obsidian like that. Um years ago when I, was really into Obsidian, it was also my note-taking app, and I never really took the time to set it up just as a writing environment. So maybe that's something that I could try this year. Yeah, no, I think it's worth giving it a shot. That's kind of where I'm heading. I mean, now that I've kind of I've pulled all the reference information out of Obsidian and put it in Notion , uh I'm gonna leave it there, archived, so that I can get back to it. On the other hand, I'm going to move it more towards a strict writing environment. I'm going to, I think, get rid of a lot of the plugins that I had, strip it down, really concentrate on the actual writing environment, you know, what's in the toolbars, how does it look, and get it to exactly what I want because it's it's pretty close to that, but I haven't really taken it from the perspective of this is just a writing app now. It's not a note-taking app anymore. And I think I can I can kind of streamline it a little bit more. Yeah. All right, Federico. Well, you know, in the post show we are going to talk today a little bit more about writing. We're going to talk about our writing workflows, which we haven't really done in quite a while. And so we'll be doing that for App Stories Plus subscribers. You can go to Mac Stories and go to the podcast tab to learn more about App Stories Plus. It's the extended version with a post show delivered a day early and in higher bit rate audio and with no ads. So check it out if and subscribe if you'd like. And in the meantime, you can find us at max stories. net and we're on social media. You can find Federico everywhere. He's at Fetici, that's V-I-T-I-C-C-I. And I'm at John Vorhees. J-O-H-N-V-O-O R H W S. Talk to you next week, Federico. Ciao, John