Advice for the Next Generation

Welcome, wecome welcome to Armair E experpert E experts on E experpert. I'man Shepd. I'm joined Lillily Pad Man. Hell We got a fox in today But her name is Wolf. Oh, good. Y Susie Wolf. Oh Oh, we love her She's so incredible. We love her. Oh cool. She's so incredible. Coolest person on Eth. Yeah.. I felt really lame. I said it. Yeah. well I did too. It's hard not to feel lame. She makes me feel lame. But she is also so sweet and nice and kind and inclusive. But her gift is to make you feel lame. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's her gift Suusie is a former professional racing driver and current managing director of F one Academy. She's also one of I think either the only one or maybe one of two women to ever drive an F one car on a track on a race weekend. Incredible. 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I didn't know that was an option because in general phonees just off, right? It's so annoying. Who can break through to you Toto That's it. Okay, Jack doesn't have a phone yet. No, he doesn't have a phone yet but it's a good point because I should put my mum on it because she's on duty this week. Okay but it sometimes Jack grabs her phone and he calls me to ask me trivial things like do I really need to have a bath together? Yeah Yes, Jack. Just do whatever your grandmother says. Oh my God. also he doesn't need a bath. The older than He does. He might be sinky Yeah. And there's nothing worse than smelly boys. Yeah I know. and they need to learn early. they don't exactly hygiene. There's nothing worse than smelly boys. Now I'm paranoid that I smelled when I gave you a hug and you walk. He didn'tt worry. But I have girls, so maybe I've been misled Because we were bathing them every single night, more as the routine to get them sleepy And at some point, we're like they're not getting dirty enough to justify a bath, Now it's pretty, you know. No, now they bathe, right? They do, but not every. We need to get I think ' we're getting into some hormone. Oh yeah, yeah, now it's probably it's time to pick up the It's time. But I think they'll comes to the realization on their own Alause. What was standard in Scotland? You were bhing There's no way, right? What happens in Scotland is not really relatable to the rest of Europe. Yeah, what's the vibe in Scotland in the eighties as a little The vibe was, we were discussing recently memories of your birthday parties when you're younger. My memory is my dad bringing in an ATV, like a four wheel terrain vehicle home. with a trailer nine ten kids on the back of the trailer hanging on for dear life and him going through huge mud O this the mountain behind the house on a big hill And I was going faster. And then we got home and they just sprayed us all down, ha and my mom water her. It was a really outdoorsy life. Yeah. It was if I look back now, a brilliant, brilliant childhood, none of the pressures of like city or expectations, it was just so wholesome. It's a little town on the western edge of Scotland on the water, right? It's a tourist town Well, it was where everyone took the ferry to all of kind of the outer Hebrides. So it was more like a hub where people would arrive. Did you say Hebrides Outer Hebrides. Yeah, what are Hebrides? Outerb island Island They're all these island. I thought it was by accent at first. No who knows? I mean some might be new words. Okay. Yeah. Well, the Hebrides are like a whole area of Scotland off the west coast. Okay. And you took the ferry from Auburn. Would there be Transient boyfriends Like a new boy comes into town in the summer. He's with his family. they're on vacation, you fall in love, they have to return home. What kind of girl do you think I am that there was a transient boyfriend? One that's driven focused, aggressive, determined the kind that could snag any kind of boyfriend she wanted. Not at that age. No No I was complete completelyy interesterested in boys. You were And my dad, I remember so distinctly when I was younger around the age of twelve And my brother was only fifteen months older. And he said something about a girl in his class. And then my dad looked at me and said You are way too young to have a boyfriend. and I was like, Yeah, you're right, I'm witing you to have a boyfriend. And then there was this moment in my childhood that this person will never know what effect they had because one of my dad's good friends who owned a pub. his name was Mario. And he said a throwaway comment to me and I must have been like thirteen or fourteen. He said, you'll be pregnant by the time you're sixteen and working in your dad's shop. Also that is a crazy thing to say to a yummy I did it is like a reverse engineering. I was like Absolutely not. So then it was like, stay away from boys. Okay, you have kind of my dream childhood Not even kinda. You have my total dream childhood. in that your father owned a motorcycle dealership. Let's start with grandpa. It probably starts with your maternal grandfather, yeah, being into motorcycles and whatnot. So my mother's father was works motorcross rider in the nineteen fifties. Look at this. Wow. Yeah. And he was an English dared deevil Anything he did he was really good at. Did he write trials bikes? Yes. And he was sponsored by BSA? Yes. He was a BSA works rider, which in his day was like, he's a god. But what for you know, I have to do this for people to BSA This is one of the like historic motorcycle bkes. Okay, great.. And he had a shop also in England that kind of sold the bikes and when the Japanese bikes started to arrive and kind of took over the market, he realized it wouldn't be a proper sustainable business. They couldn't really compete with the influx And he didn't adopt selling them. No, because he's a staunch lawyer. Yeah nationalist and lawyer loyalist. His motorcycle shop was in Scotland no. He moved there to open that. He moved to Scotland to do diving. He was changing completely his career. Diving into water Yeah, he was a commercial diver. Was he welding underwater? No. No, I think he was more like in the west coast of Scotland. There's a real industry there to go and collick propellers which had fallen off. There there were so many boats and ferries and stuff like that. But then I don't really know much about that period because of course he bends and became paralyzed. So yeah, he lost the use of his legs, yeah. He hadd done a dive when he hadn't been feeling well and came up too quickly and he tells the story of them dragging him onto the board. Now bearing in mind, he's a super athletic guy, very, very sporty. And he remembers lying and his leg was falling off the edge of the bed And he said there was a moment where I realized I couldn't bring my leg back that . That's when I realized this is not good. So I've only ever known him in a wheelchair, but you shouldn't think that stopped him. I mean I never once heard him complaining. He needed paragliding as he got older He opened a car and so he very much poted around. He even had crash landings in his paraglider broke his ankle.ird. Poor grandmother. I guess it doesn't matter. But just to add in there, my grandmother never got a carer. W She looked after him all on her own and dedicated herself, which If I look back now with the perspective I have with age and obviously becoming a wife and a mother Incredible. Yeah. Really incredible Wow. So the results of having that risk taky of a grandfather is that your mother herself was also quite a risky young woman, yet. And she rode motorcycles from what age Jon Well, my uncle kind of took after my grandfather the trials bike and near won the Scottish sixix Days tririals and was very talented also on a bike. But when the accident happened, it was difficult for them because suddenly the whole family dynamic changed. I think my m lost quite a lot of confidence because suddenly this father figure who so many people looked up to at that time, came back home a different man in a way and relied so much on my grandmother. So She lost a couple of years of her teenage years to that whole dynamic changing. and I think when she was sixteen, my grandfather said to her Go down and see John Stodhart and get yourself a bike. And she loved speed and she is very much, you know, and go like my grandfather. And that of course is where she met my dad in the bike shop. Oh wow. This is such a great story. love storory. I love this. Meet you. I just wouldn't be who I am today without my mum because you say role models, but She set the foundation. You had her own business. she raced bikes It was such an equal marriage between the two of them and she had as much get up and go as my dad. It absolutely shaped who I am. Yeah. So she was in a motorcycle, they meet and fall in love. What's the age gap? She was sixteen when she went to buy a motorcycle? And now you're testing me. it does not make them look bad here. Well, she got her first so you have to be seventeen to driveving want to bike and gone so she was maybe sixteen, turning seventeen. So mayaybe she went at sixteen to get ready to buy the bike for when she was seventeen. She was dating someone else, one of my dad's friends. Oh Sandaless. small town. was not treating her well. You know it was a really good friend of his, they went on a bike tour to together everything. and then It became clear that my mum and dad were better suited Simmering simmering Yeah ye yeah. And then I think Actually quite similar to me. I think it was my mum who was the first one to see. Actually John I'm going in this direction. I think you and I fit. Yeah. Okay, so yes, they fall in love. they get married and then father's running a motorcycle shop, but he's selling everything presumably because you're getting quads and jet skis. Yeah and outboards for the fisheries and the fishermen. And basically in a small town, you know what it's like, you sell whatever anyone needs. Yeah, right. So it was motorikes in the summer, a lot of motorikes would tour through, do the whisky tour Scotland because it's beautiful scenery but then the all terrain vehicles for all the farms. But so basically you had access to every single thing I wanted as a kid. Your first bike's a PW fifty, yeah? Yeah. How old were you when you got that? Well, no, my ferry first was a little three wheeler. Oh a three wheeler. And then PE fifty and I must have been five Yes. five or six. This is when my daughter got her first PW fifty. Love it. Yes, yes, yes. And then PE eighty. Loved that PV eighty. Sure sure. Now you're shifting gears with the clut. Oh, that's ninety one hundred. The PE eighty doesn't doesn't have a clutch. No. Oh, okay, here the eighties all had clutches. No. And I remember the first time I tried with a clutch, I was just like, o It Tk me a while to get used to. It's a humbling experience at first your brothers and sisters? Oh the older brother? Yeah, fifteen months older than me. Oh yeah. Yeah. so I would imagine it's kind of a perfect storm for you because similarly, I have a little sister and I think if you have a little sister and she likes you, she's just gonna trend a little bit more into I don't know, conventionally boy stuff. What do you think about that? I think so and I think it was also my character like, well, anything he can do I can do. I was very competitive. And he was a wonderful brother. He still is a wonderful brother. So he kind of took me under his wing. There wasn't a huge rivalry of, you know I don't want her around. If he went on his motorike. He was in his R two one hundred, I was in my PV eighty. He was P eighty, I was in the PV fifty. It was always that we were together. He was probably proud of. It's cool to have a little sister who rides. S sure he goes far to proud. That's too much. But we definitely did a lot of things And my parents never really differentiated between the son and daught. It wasn't like I ever had the feeling that I shouldn't go on a bike or that I was doing anything unusual for a girl. It was very much if you want to do it, you do it. and if you don't, you don't No real pressure or feeling that I was doing something unusual for a girl We do have to take one second to worship your father because for people who aren't super into motor sports The craziest form of racing is definitely Moto GP. It makes the F one drivers look cowardly. So that just start there. and then the Scariest thing in the motorcycle world by far is the Isle of Man TT And for people don't know, they're racing on a public road On the circumference of an island What is it like an eighty mile, ninety mile loop. Every single year someone dies pretty much without exception is the most dangerous motorsport imaginable. And your father raced in the Isle of man. And lost his best friend there. Lost his best friend Just stand. It's so funny you say that now he literally is going there this week. Oh is? Yeah, because it starts, I think this weekend. And he now goes in obviously se. I had a team for a while, but this year there's no team. he's just spectating. Have you ever been? I haven't. I've been invited by Dukani and I'm like, yeah, I'm gonna go, but I know I'll ride on Saturday. You need to go Wait, you're gonna to ride in it. On Saturday, the public can take a lap Yeah, but you can take it easily there. Yeah, ye. You need to take it easiy. Well, that's my concern is how easy I'll be able to take it. But yes, I do want to do that very bad. I ended up taking Toto and It was incredible experience because you just cannot comprehend The speed and the bravery. Oh until you get there. The sides of much of the public road are cobblestone walls So if you come off, you're going into a cone wall. There's numerous you're not into it at all, Monica. Monica, there's numerous hills and dips where the people are at one hundred ninety five getting air for like one hundred thirty feet and landing. It's full on. It is truly the most hair raising, scariest motorsport in the world It Your dad did that He's a warrior. I just want to worship him for one second. So I gott to imagine if dad is doing that, it's hard to take anyone serious if anyone's saying like be careful. or maybe that wasn't even being said in your household It wasn't being said, but it wasn't like we were Kamakaze either. I guess there was a structure to it that it wasn't just like got your bike and go flat out, we built a little track kind of in the pills behind where we lived. and of course we got the stop watch out and it was who could go quicker. But we weren't Kamac Kazy Because there was an element where you always had to have your helmet on, you had to have your proper boots on and you had to respect. you cleaned your bike when you came home, you put it properly away in the garage. So we weren't Kamaazzy, but we loved speed and we loved that life of being out and that feeling of, you know Yeah adrenaline. Were you scared when your dad went to do this thing I was too young to even realize And actually, my mom made him stop when he lost his best friend and when we were young kids because I think for her, she felt well That's way too risky now that we've got I also defly said like okay, so daddy's going away to the most dangerous lethal race in the world this weekend Well, yeah, like I didn probably kind of push that point. There were pictures up in the wall, but I never really comprehended until I went I never really comprehended what he did. It's madness. Promise me you'll go. Oh, yes. Yeah. Because you would really, really love it. Okay. When do we get into a cart? Eight years old slightly before because my dad had a bit of a midlife crisis and went back to racing road bikes. For his fortieth birthday, he got himself a bike. So we would spend a lot of time at Knot Hill, the only track in Scotland. But because we were not really that interested in just watching my dad, there was a kind of perimeter road to the track where we would be doing Laps and our PE fifty and PE eighties taking on RT one hundreds and waterater code one hundred twenty five s. and there was a little cart track there And I remember distinctly it was five pounds for fifteen minutes. Well we hounded my parents for and another five another five. And then eventually I think my momum said to my dad, listen, we come to these race weekends, it's all about you. I think it's time that the kids did something. Yeah. So we got a A go carp kind of around our eighth birthday. A shared go carp between you and David? Because he was bigger than me. I mean, they were secondhand. They were, I'll never forget Swiss Hutless. It was red, it was quite rusty and peeling with pain, but I was so in love with this thing. Yeah. And did you show more aptitude in that relative to David Like you had to be mildly competitive with your brother. and did this feel like something shit, I might have the upper hand here? At that time no, we would like be out on the higher carts smashing lumps out of each other to see who could win. and then suddenly When we got to our very first race, we were a bit like Oh There's like hundred kids here Yeah. And it wasn't any more me VRC's him, it was more like, this is big now. we've got a lot of competition. Intense. And we never really had Well, that's tr. I was going to say we never really had a big rabb, but we did have one race where I should have won. He took me out on the last lap. Okay. And we didn't speak for the whole way home. Oh. And after that, my dad always made sure we were in different categories. So we moved my brother up and I stayed and then we never aced each other again. Your father had Serena and Venus on his fe? Yeah. That wast That smart. So were you receiving instruction or were you just kind of leararning as you win It definitely wasn't a clear talent at the beginning. I mean, it was quite daunting being on a much bigger track and lots of other kids out there. I always tell the same story. I went out the first time and it was like sc And I came into the pits and I said to my dad, I really don't like it out there. I mean, that's a lot. Theres a lot of chaos going on. A lot of kids, and they're kind of like getting hit as you were getting pasted. it was just aggressive little boys. Yeah. Ls of aggressive little boys. Yeah. Are you're the only girl there? I was, but I never realized I was. didn't clock that? No, because we're all wearing helmets. spoke about me being a girl at that time, I was just Suszie. and my dad said, Well, we got two options now toots because his nickname for me was always tooots. We put the cart back in the truck and we head home where you go back out there, you try and go quicker and when they hit you, you're gonna hit them back twice as hard. So me being the character I was, I was like, I'll go back out there and I will get faster. And then it was something that just became all consuming in a very good way You're so cool. Yeah She's so Oh my to. I feel so so lame. Yeah ye. I'm lame.. You're not lame. No, no, you're not lame. You're not lame. No no, I am. I think it must be meant. It's like how do you not have fear? I'll let you answer You can answer. It's funny enough, I'm watching it right now. so went to our eldest daughter when she was about seven or eight. and at that point she already rode dirt bikes. She had an off road Razor like a vehicle that you G at driving that. like a real immediate aptitude. And I said, Hey, we could get carts, you and me, We have a tour bus. we could just start hitting races. I'm ready if you're up for it. And she was like, well, take me to the cart track and let me see if I like it. I take her to the cart track., to go to one of the juniors. It's all boys who've already done it a bunch of times. She has one session, she comes back and she's like, I don't like it , heartbroken. All I wanted as a kid was to someone to support me doing that. I now have the money to do that. She just was not interested Fast forward to like maybe eight months ago She like I wantan to go back to the cart track Take her back. Now she's super into it. She's thirteen. It's too late for anything competitive It's not. No. Okay, well, that's encouraging. It's definitely not. Point is is what I got to observe, which was the most rewarding was in soccer when she played soccer, she didn't have that like, I'm going to kill this person for the ball. She didn't have that, which I could care less. But within three sessions at the track, when she started getting good and there were slow adults out there, I started noticing like, o, she wants to kill these people to get by That magic thing has just kind of happened And yeah, you kind of either have that one of us is going to the center of this turn. and it's gonna be me. But you know what I'm doing now with FN Academy? It's because of girls like your daughter. Be I'm pretty sure if that little girl at eighte at her first time of the carart track had seen another little girl out there. Yeah It could have changed her whole experience of it. But because that first experience was daunting, like mine was daunting, but I had that older brother who was like, well she's I figured out. Yeah. And now she's thirteen. she's got a bit more confidence. She's a bit older. She asked to go back there. It's in her. Anyways, it's not about her. No, but this is so encouraging for me because that I think is the shift that's happening within motorsport now. Because before it's always seen as this eoistical macho male dominated world. It's changing And it has to change because there's so many talented young drivers that are female like your daughter out there, They just need to be exposed to it because they've got that passion within them. You were saying in a different interview I listened to you in which I hadn't thought of this. There's only really three sports where the men and women are together and it's horse jumping. Riding or jumping. Yeah yeah. Siling and driving Wha all involve either a big piece of equipment or a big animal. Yeah, that's true. Weird. I definitely don't believe And having been in this sport for as long as I have, that there's any reason why a women can't compete at the very top. It just comes down to the talent pool and the kind of pipeline. Well, let us for the most skeptical audience member, what about someone who's like, well, what about just testosterone as a aggressive hormone that boys at eighteen have an excessive amount of Do you think there's any deficit for not having that. Listen, I would never claim to say a man and a woman or a young boy and a young girl are the same biologically.arly we're all made up differently, but it also comes down to individuals. Exactly. And it's so funny you mentioned testosterone because when I was racing. I won't see what Aa was I had a med aical And I had high levels of testosterone. We were just never taking supplements or anything like that at that time. And immediately the guys that did the kind of assessment said, o This is an outlier. you know can we do some more tests and studies? because I think this is maybe why you're a racing driver? And I went away and thought about overnight and came back the next day and said, No, I don't want me being singled out. Yeah. And I don't think my results are the basis or should form what a female racing driver exactly. because I think it comes much more down to characteristics of the individual. There are some girls who are really Also, they were chicken and egging it, and I would argue your participation in it, your body starts reactinging We have tons of data on stock brokers. When they make riskier trades or testosterone goes up, which gets more riskier trades. It's working in both directions. Yeah. So yeah, your body could have been like, o no, we're in a situation where we need more testosterone regularly But I don't think that the aggression is something which can stop a woman not being successful in the sport. because you can also argue that Raid mist and over aggression is a real negative. Exactly. Yeah. Yes. Unless you're somehow max stpping and your're b're the whatever that thing is, or it's like I'm willing to the Norbging twenty four hours. Y. red He's such a god, it's c I was impressive. I know thirteen's a pivotal moment, but between eight and thirteen when you're starting to cart a lot and you're starting to race Walk me through some of those challenges slowly I bet it starts occurring to you. Oh, I'm the only girl here or one of very few. Not at that age. I wasn't your stereotypical tomboy. I loved pink. I played with Barbie. I asked for pink sideboards for my go cards. I had a pink race suit. Your father was using Barbie's as leverage to get you to do things. He offered to buy you a very specific cowoy Barbie. The Cowboy Barbie. Cowoy Barbie. I still have Oh havever! So cute And it was when I was thirteen, I was taken to watch a formula three race at Donnington. There's an English driver at that time called Jens Button, who of course went on to be a world champion. He's also fucking gorgeous, I just sorry. I can't judge driververs is hot or you can't. I always had this rule I would never date another driver. And even now when Ovious is a lot more interesting in if one they're like, Ohh he's hot. I'm like, is he J It is a stapable of the cutest boys in the world. Really? Yeah It's asymmetric to any other sport where it's like, why are they all? well I kind of have a theory on why they're also good looking. They're often the children of rich people. Right. I mean, that's just a fact. No, not always. Oh my God, let's go through the current is not from Y He's an exception. Kimmy, Antonlli not from Huge wealth. OkayK, you're right. George Russell is not from Huge wealth wealth. No, no, no. Okay o. No, I mean, his father sold his business recently, but he didn't have a lot of money That's why he relied on jior program. Lando's familyandoarles Charles' uncle, uncle who was supporting hisis uncle helped, but he comes from a very humble background. Okay. Yeah, o. Yeah. But he's just So he's a model Yeah, is a mom. Oh my. Oh my go.. I wonder if there's a thing she plays for total like she doesn. I wonder if What I will say is his wife is beautiful. Yes. she is Alexandra. They're beautiful rare. Great couple. But Toto's so hot. Oh Toto is definitely hot. Yeah. She's the hottest. Okay, so back to F three. You saw an F three race, Jensen Button, I interrupted And that's when I think it all changed in my headir because suddenly it was just a hobby I suddenly thought, wait a minute, I can do this. And that environment, the car, I'll never forget the first time I walked into the garage, everything was so immaculate and precise and the engineers and I just thought this is where I want to be. And suddenly I was like, okay, I can be a racing driver. I can get from cing, move to single caters and get to F three and then maybe get to F one. Never once did I question why why there was no woman in F one. I simply had David Colhard on my wall because he was Scottish, Jack Vilenev because he was in the Williams. And at eighteen we'd done the worldld Championships. Lis Hamilon was there Nica Rosesberg. You also said Wayneaney on your wall W in Riny Kevin Swanz. There we go. In the Kevin Schwanz Bang Club. you love him. The yellow Bandana. Yeah I loved him so much. So once you saw that and you got more focused on, okay, I want to do this as a career. Did you start taking your time the weekends at the race to start educating yourself. Like I want you to explain to people what you had to learn about the mechanics of the c and the engineering of the car. Your job's not just to get in there and drive You could do that But the great drivers in history have been able to give really important feedback to their mechanics and their engineers to make the car faster. And if they don't have that vernacular, there's going to be only so much you can develop the car or the car. This is kind of a big component of it. It really is. And then when you get to European World Championship level, it comes down to the finest details, like what toe you're running, what camber, what sprocket. It's not like you need to sit down and really educate yourself. You live it. So you're trying different things with your carts to get small advantage, like different thicknesses of rear axle, tire pressures, how many what do we call them in seat supports? because that changed the way where your weight distribution was in the car. And I always had to carry extra weight, so we would move the weight around to see which was the optimum. Which could have been nice because you could put it on the weak inside wheel. We talk the same language. Yeah, yeah, ye yeah. ye. But some people don't I want to give you credit. Some people don't take the time to do that. Sometimes it's exhausting. I'm a real perfionist. So I was the one that curated all the folders that had the setup sheets from every race so that when we came back, I knew exactly where to start from, what we changed, My notes on each track I loveved the color coordinated folders and all the setup sheets. I also want to introduce When is juggling pros and cons of being the only girl at these races because there's upside and downside and I want to explore what those tensions were. I think the only moment I really because I'd grown up racing with Lewis and that generation. Let's talk about that. So for a while, you were in the Scottish League. Scottish, then you one driver of the year fourteen No. Yeah that was only national. But then you step up to the British carton Yeah, and had a bit of success in the British carding which allowed me to qualify for the European championships. And where do you meet Lewis at what rung of this? Oh very early on like I think I was only nine we had gone down for a first British race and they were all talking about this little boy with the yellow helmet, who was outstanding. and it was Lewis. How old was he He would have been eight. so you're a year older than him. I'm nearly two years older than him. A little boy with a yellow helmet. am. It's a really cute picture. And did you race against him? In carting, we were at the age of kind of A fourteen we end up in the same class because then became fourteen to sixteen year olds. So we weren't always their direct competitors, but then became competitors towards the end. and then when we moved into single seaters, we were always nearly, but I was sometimes the category above. Because you're a little older. Yeah, but there's the famous Formula O podium where I made P three He won the race and I couldn't get my champagne open. He was a lot more used to winning than I was. so he grabbed the bottle from me and opened the champagne for me and gave it back to me.. If I go back to the World Championships, I had finished fifteenth overall, which was solid because there was over one hundred and thirty people there. But I was called to the podium ceremony And when I was called, the awning the team where I ran, there was like maybe twenty I was in the team We were all like, whyy are you being called? I'm like hope I haven't had issue with my card or something or I'm disqualified from the race and it was really It weir that they were calling me over the Tanoi. So I run over, the podium ceremony is happening and I'm called up on stage to receive an award for top female in the world. Oh my go. I was like so embarrassed in front of my whole team. And my first thought was I don' even remember seeing another girl And it was actually there was four of us. What if you had won the best and worst female driver seriously. was as bast as female. It feels like a pat on the head. And I think the organizers, they were probably just trying to be nice. Yeah. I' sure. But I think that was definitely the moment. and of course everyone made jokes afterwards with the fact that, oh you Great, You beat three other girls. Right. But it was the moment I definitely thought o This is going to be different than I This is a thing They see me as different. When I moved into single seers It became the topic. There was a girl trying to make it in racing. Yeah Stay tuned for more arm. If you dare. We are supported by Allstate. 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At that time, the sport isn't what it is now There was very much stereotypes of you were a girl that had to leather on and impose on a car or you were a girl that drove the car. Yeah Right right. And I wouldd imagine too, you want to be asked about driving and they probably want to ask you about being a female. all they wanted to ask me about was being a female. And that's fair enough, and I always thought talking about it can help others maybe being spparred, but or not being sparked at that time I was never out to inspire others. You wanted to win races. Yeah. Yeah. you didn't have a And I realized pretty quickly that It was all about the performance on track. Yes, you could talk about my gender, but it made it even more important that I went out there and showed what I could do because everyone seemed to have an opinion that I was either not going to be good enough or not physically fit enough or she's just there because she's a girl. She she's only gonna to the sponsor because shes a girl. So for me, I needed to go out and have the validation of a results sheet to say, no, this is why I can do it because look, I'm cick enough and I can c So it was always that validation through results And that's what I love about sport. It's so pure. Yeah, it's empirical. It's objective. Not subjective. I would struggle in your industry Yeah, this one is pretty subjective. Yeah, but sometimes you hit the hot streak of the subjectivity. I forget, I'll take it. I don't think I'm better than that guy, but I'll take it. Yeah, what kind of neuroses arise in this period? Because you're young and you're asked to yeah, represent all girls in racing, which you didn't sign up for. You're a token. I'll just advise you to listen. Do you know who Malcolm Gladwell is? He's like a very famous American writer and he has a great podcast called Revigionous History. and he did an episode called The Tken And talking about the weight of being a token and how it's not fair to judge someone like Sammy Davis Juni. because he was first one through the door and what he had to deal with just to be there so other people could walk through I don't know, it's just until you take a minute to stop and think about the pressure of being a token, I think it's a really isolating. D you feel very isolated in that experience I remember real periods of loneliness, but it's difficult because I only have my own experience. so I don't know how different it was to someone else it wasn't a woman or feeling lonely anyways. but I definitely struggled sometimes in the environment because it was very much of a male kind of macho egoistical and that's why I decided I wouldn't date another racing driver because I would overhear the way they spoke about women and girls and I thought, well, Id never want to be spoken about like that. But I didn't feel like in that situation, I could always be the one saying, Hey, don't do that. It me seeing that That's not fair in her. So I just kind of detached myself from it but thought I'd never want to be spoken about like that. I just loveove for the sport that meant I didn't everything around my gender to take away from my love for just doing the sport and achieving. But you're giving up a big chunk of your life when you're a kid. All your weekends are that, you're traveling. So if you don't have friendships at the races, then you're really missing a big opportunity or a big chunk that you would. Did you have friends in the race? had I shared a house with a bunch of Irish drivers and they became like my big brothers and there was a lot of camaraderie. I did have friends who looked out for me and who we had a laugh with, but there was always just that invisible line Yeah. Looking back now with the perspective I had, I think Definitely moments where I would walk into a garage, especially if I join a new team I could feel the skepticism. Many people say, well, what did they say? It's not just a direct comment. I feel this skepticism or this idea that oh, we have her and we didn't get him. And then when you have a bit of success for that team, first of all, they're a bit like, Oh you can. But then the minute you get them with you, they are loyal. The environment and everything that comes with racing aside from being in the car and performing, you just become used to Well that's part of it And that's part of the game. and it's an important part of the game becausecause if you're not doing the media and the sponsorship commitments, you're not racing. Yeah, talk about the financial stress of that whole period Well, I'm giving away my age here because my main sponsor was British teelecom because they were launching something called Broadband. Okay. That's how long ago it was, but they weren my saviourors. and actually I had a really tough year in two thousand five because they were my main sponsor for Formula three and then I was at home I visiting my grandmother, went out to buy her milk, slipped, broke my ankle. Oh no And those were dark months, I lost my race license, I lost my sponsor, I lost my seat in the three. And you were how old then? twentywenty two. And you'd already left because you went to the University of Edinburgh for a year. Yeah. I was a very conscientious student because my parents always said, can't race unless youre go to school. I'm a grafter I don't have the natural ability, but I have no problem to work really hard. so I ended up secondcond in my year. in high school And there was a lot of expectation that I would go to university. I picked international businessiness, the easiest thing when you' really no clue. Yeah. But really felt like a duck out of water at university. They were all partying and drinking, and I'm like, what am I doing here Is that because you had a certain immaturity because you hadn't been hanging out on the weekends going to maturity is maturity? Beuse I've been doing something so. You don't feel like you had missed out on childhood at all by racing? Aspects of it, like boyfriend, girlfriend, stuff.ight Social.. I'm not a big drinker at old, even to this day. so I would see them all go out and get blind drunk and I'd be like, what are you guys doing? Yeah Yeah, and then I would have races on the weekend, so I would be kind of training and I was just in a different planet to the planet I got transported to and did never feel right there. So I left after one year Was that hard Did you feel like you were a disappointing mom and dad? It was more hard that it's what everyone expected me to do to have this backup plan. And I remember going into the economics lecture in the first of my second year, I'd gone back and I just thought, what am I doing here I'm here because everyone tells me should be here. I'm just a sheep that's following the vlog. I just don't want to be here. And I called home and One week later I had all my possessions in a little golf TDI, which was my parents' car. I rented a room near Silverstone, worked as a marshal waving the flag. in a little shop that sold racewear and focused fully on racing. You get into formula three and two thousand one, two thousand one and two thousand four was formula. I. I'm sorry. I R now So now you've gone from carting to a single seat race car and You do pretty good there. two thousand four, you finished fifth overall? Yeah, and I merely got third and that's the breakthrough year because I got nominated to a British young driver of the yearar, and not just girl. and that was the first time a girl would ever be nominated. And that's when Toto first heard my name. Oh. Oh, really We are a support race at this big festival and He tells the story of coming over the loud speaker of the formula R no race coming this girl that was fighting for the podium. And at the time there was just no girls racing. neverever mind fighting for a podium. And he remembers thinking to himself I need to go find this Susie. Just because he was interested because he was driver managing at that time.. Right But let's just say I wasn't very polish version of myself then, so I'm glad you didn't find me. Okay, so you break your ankle. I read jogging, and you're saying to help grandma. I was exiting the news agents with the milk and the bread and I slepted Oh were you so mad at grandma? No. You couldn't be mad at my grandma. No grama had taken her. Grandpa She deserved. No, it was the other side of the f. Oh it was the other side Yeahah, you could be mad at her No. Yeah, you got. Okay, so what was the Formula three experience? You were on the feeder for Formula three. Yeah F three, F two, F one. we had to like making analogy to US sports. too go from carding would be like you're on a state champion high school team and then to go to single seat Renal, you've gone into college. and now When you get to Formula three like you're in the professional league. Yeah This is very so. You're bubbling. How many female drivers were in Formula three at that point or had been There were a couple races. There were at the time, like Catherine Lake, who's in indy five hundred now, she was racing at that time. And how would y'all get along when you saw each other? Becauseuse this might be counterintuitive. You might think, oh, you would get along so well, but maybe not often the tokens are pitted against each other. Exactly. We were always pitted and I felt it was an unnatural to try and form a relationship with someone just because it was another girl. Yeah,. And I remember distinctly then when we made it German two andcard, they would always arrange these photos shoots just with the girl drivers and I was always so against it. It' like whyy do you pitt it against each other? when we've got everyone else that we need to be. Right Okay, so how did Formula three go? Well, it didn't becauset ankle. Testing and then the ankleroke and it didn't ever compete in a race I lost everything that year and went to a really probably the toughest time of my life Then I got from an old team boss, I was testing World Series, which was like a competitor to F three with the thought that I would be racing that the following year under kind of like a sponsorship agreement. But I got called into a meeting in February six weeks before the first race and got told that they kind of miscalculated the marketing budget and I'd need to bring two hundred fifty thousand euros or pounds, which just was completely unrealistic for me at that time I walked out of the meeting and I remember like yesday I was sitting in my golf TI and I called my dad It sounds like I only spe to my dad. I speak to my momaw as well. I was just in those moments, it's my dad. And I remember saying him, well What are I going do I don't note. it' as I was kind of Not really knowing what to say to him. A German number is trying to call my phone. Says, our dad, there's another call coming, I'll take this and I'll call you back. And I picked up the phone and this gentleman in a very thick German accent said, this is Gard Ounger from Mercedes Benzs Motors Sports. What do you think of German touring cars? Now, I had tested the car in the British Young Driver of the Year Award. so I knew the car. It was five hundred horsepower mega touring car. A Cat class Mercedes, right? Yeah Monica, this is your car dang. I have one of those It was a gift C sixty three. She has a C forty three. She's not. She didn't think I was ready. You're a good colleague. It was. It was I want to get d into cars or not, but that's a really nice car. She's not but she was making a lot of money and I borrowed her car one day and it was this fucking beat up Toyota Prius and I was driving in traffic car and I was like, you're not fine with it. Don't say that. I was and then he was like You can't have this We're doing too well for you to be driving this car. I'm trying to cap your. S so much about you, which car you drive. S I did not grow up like that at all. so it didn't. All to say, I love my car and I love driving. And I can hear her coming through the gate when she goes to her house across the street. And you really mean that. You get the joy now of I understand what it does to you internally. the speed unfortunately. But it does something to your identity. It does. You infuse its muscularity and its agility. It' confident it says something about. It's a signal. Yeah. I think it's more than a signal. Be I give you the counter argument. I live in Monaco, which is really superficial. and everybody drives supercars. So what do I drive? nineteen seventy two pagoda. I buck the trend of everyone trying to outo each other. Yeah. I get my pagoda with the root on and it's like from the nineteen seventies so you kind of like bounce along. But I love that I'm not trying to You guys are also in a three hundred SL lot I see. so do Okay, I'll give you that I'll give you that the nest Mercedes in the world. I know It dream car funny enough. I know And Toto said he was gonna give me a ride Yeah, That come to Monac. I know to Mon Mon I will. Now that you're into cars, vo Formula onene. watching. Okay, so you get this call. We gott to get to Williams, but you have a long road to Williams. Well, the DTM years is everything hug on that tastest. I got myself out to Barcelona, and one story you will appreciate. I arrive at the track and the Germans are very direct I got my seat fitted in and they're like, okay and then we'll a war' like say, yeah can I do a lap the track? L like a lap at the track. You don't know this tr It was like No, I' never li in Barlona before. And they kind of looked at me. and then Geharduner kind of said, Okay, Mka, come over here. and it was Mika Hcken, two time A one worldld champion. Show this girl around the track. So there I am in a higher car. Mikaam Hen and showing me the racing lines. Is he sober? Oh I' tened to hear that. obviously give itbody all in the test. They leave me waiting ten days, but then finally I get called over to Stutgard Get offered a one year contract and then of course ended up staying for seven years and chose to leave off my own back, M tootal there. I thank my lucky stars to this day, that was my big break. Such a sexy car you were racing Way different though, right? So heavy, so big, W the transition out of one seater easy for you? No. And because I'd missed that year of F three, I was up against really, really quick drivers who were after F three levels. so I had a lot of catching up to do. But that's where I come into my comfort zone. I drilled down and I I had a great engineer at the time, HP who got me so well prepared But it the season because I knew this was my one shot a one year contract and managed to pull off a couple of really good races. Now here's where we get into the fun. This is your history with Barbie and your history with pink. You've at times had to kind of silence your femininity or felt inclined to. And so they put you in a pink car or you had a pink race car. You had conflicting feelings about this? It's really good water. Good bobble density. Strong, right? And you let it cool for a while too.. Yeah, I think in my teenage years, I went from that little girl that loved pink to feeling that my feminity was seen a sign of weakness, so it kind of boxed it away. And then it was really by being made to drive a pink car in DTM because the sponsor was a magazine that had a logo that was pink. But then realizing that I think because I was older by that point, I was more confident in myself and suddenly all these little girls started appearing at the track and dressed in pink They all asked me is it the Hello Kitty car because it was big Hello Kitty time then. And I think that made me realize that Well actually if pink is going to inspire littleittle girls to come and see my car and like racing I can drive a pink card school. And I think it was also a transition in my life where I got married and Toto was so good at it. He never rarapped me in Cuon Wldy was tough but We were a team and I wasn't on my own anymore. and When we got married. Mercedes comes the marketing department like, well, you can't change your name I was like, I'm absolutely changing my name. Like I'm not on my own anymore. I'm a wolf It's a good name to take on. You kind of hit the j you names. And that also gave me a confidence that it just wasn't me and my own anymore. He tells his story so he had crashed at the Nerberg Ring And he was in the hospital And that you came to see him in the hospital. Well, no, we were testing in Portugal because this is the start of our love story. We were testing in Portugal in a track called Estereil. and Han Joan Matis, who was a team manager, he came into the only world the drivers were becausecause I had seven teammates. and he said Total Wolves had a really bad accent now. I remember the first time I even sawd in the hospitality, I was Well, I can share with you the very first time. So we were sitting at a team dinner. and Matiiaas Lauda Niicil Lauda's son was opposite me and he was a very good friend of mine, him and his brother Lucas, even to this day, but in a brother sister way. And Tota walked in and I'm following him thinking, who is this guy? I haven't seen him here before. And the tears is watching my eyes. and then turning around to see what I'm looking at. he was like You're looking at him. And of course my face went bright red And I said, Well, who is that? He's like, Well, his name's Tota Wolf and you've got no chance. he's dating Miss Austria. Oh My God. Oh my God. This when all your friends are men, this is how they talk. So I'd obviously noticed Tota, but he was off bounds. And then when Hans Jgam Matis walked in and said Totobos had a really bad accident Nurberging, I was kind of like was okay, it hit me Yeah.. And he said, Well, I think it'd be really nice if one of the drivers you called as a group And Gary Pafft, who was kind of de facto more senior driver, said, yeah, that's a really good idea Suusie you should call him I' call him I guess I have to. I guess I have to write. and he suddenly had his number. reason to call. And then you go see him in person? No I called him. It was just a call. I called him and it should have been like a ten minute. The drivers were all wishing you well, but we were on the phone for like an hour. And then he said, I'm going to get better in the next kind of ten days. The doctor say, I'll be fine, and I'll see you in Dusildor for the big presentation of the championship. So of course, I'm counting down the days of Dusildor. Outfits, thking, this is gonna to be brilliant in Dusildor we have this big dinner haircut the night before I did everything like everything. And I'm sitting at the dinner. he's not there. and I'm thinking okay, he's gonna to wal in any second Long story short he doesn't turn up for dinner. And I G it Poto Thank you so much He comes to breakfast the next morning and I say to myself, I'm not even gonna get intoress. straight into my race suit, hair tied back, who cares about Ag Exactly. So I go ont to breakfast and he comes over to the table all jolly and kind of sits near me. I said, What happened to you at the dinner last night? You said, Yeah, I called one of your teammates to check where it was and he said, Don't bother coming, it's boring. Oh I'm looking at the guy that That person was in love with you. No, he wasn't even Yeah. I like that take, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. O you don't wantanna go. Everyone just laugh. Re really boring here. sound like almost like a S.' boring here. don't. Everyone got food poisoning. It's a mess. Don't come. So we talk a bit and all the butterflies come up and then I go off to do my thing and he's off to do his thing and then at the lunch break, all the drivers and kind of the management are around and they're talking, of course comes to people's love lives and I was actually dating someone from another team, but who was a manager or not a racing driver? Someone then said to Toto, you know, how's it going after Miss Austria? And then someone said to me, Well, isn't it time that you dated someone at Mercedes, Susie? And I kind of said, Well, there's nobody at Mercedes. And then Toto in front of you said, Well, sure there's me. what about me my face. And I'm looking down the gmer head. T that al. So I didn't really se for the rest of the afternoon, but when I left to drive back to Switzerland I one of those thoughts for It's now or never. So I got my phone, I pulled into a fuel station, ten times drafted this text message. And it basically said If it had to be someone from Mercedes, it would only ever be you A Susie? I couldn't. Oh. I'm so! I know. I'm jealous I want this text. W. So I sent it and then got back on the motorway and I got a reply pretty quickly. and I remembered 'Cause it could have gone either way. L' so sweet, but no. Yeah get real. Miss Germany has just become available, turns out. I'll circle back up and I get' all the miss I know. I've got a few more countries to go. Yeah. But no, the message back was something about I'm getting in a plane. Oh that's nice. I'll call you. I'm like, what? Oh boy. So it wasn't like a no, it wasn't yes, but then he called two hours later and that was You guys were engaged eight months later, Th then it's fast. He bought the ring six weeks later. Oh my gosh. And we were engaged eight months later. It was an immediate click. Okay quickly. Are you sensitive at all about talking about Toto or no? No're, greatreat, great, great. 'use I wanted to ask, tell me about the cultural chasm between the Scottish and the Austrians, right? So you've already hinted at a couple of them. It's like very direct, very direct. Some of the things he said to you over your we'll get to, but when you drive for the first time in Formula onene, he's like, donon't be shit. It was like giving you a peep talk. I thought it was going be this big pp talk and he just looked me and I was like, shit Did you get in a f? Did you say, Hey, you need to be a little softer or no? No, that fires up something in me I up to myself. Well, yes, your whole life is about saying like you think, okay. you think I can't th. It's her fuel like Jordan. Yeah. Did you watch the land Flue game Yeah, and he just has to come up with an enemy. He's like, I'm going to pick this guy from the team. you know, he makes up a story why he hates this guy. Yeah. It's a good I to share with you just how direct he is. Yeah The night before our wedding. Well, the day we were signing the paperwork He was very quiet and the next said Is everything, he's like Yeahah, think I've done a positive and negative list. Oh my Godd. And there's more positive than negative. I like Ecuse me That's not very romantic. Excuse me. I was like, I don't what's on that list. We're getting married. You' married tomorrow. Okay. for that list. Throw that list. Oh my God, that is so funny. I think I was really lucky that Toto was nearly ten years older or just over ten years older than me. So he'd been married once before. He had two wonderful little kids.d kind through it and knew exactly what he wanted. Probably what to do differently, hopeully. Exactly. And I come from such a wonderful family who really embraced him and you know he lost his father a young age. So I think through me, he saw this sense of family and this loyalty to each other that we stick together through stic. And it's probably his dream dad. Bucking race in motorcycles own in a shop, speed speed speed Yeah That's a good family to click in. Yeah. And I definitely struggled and I obviously speak to my stepkids about it. Now I struggled at the beginning because I was this selfish racing driver who suddenly on certain weekends would have to be a mother and I just had no idea how to be in that situation. And I knew from my childhood and obviously the respect to his ex wife that I didn't want to come in pretend to be like a second mother. So that took a bit of navigation. But then things comeome up and you are mothering. Yeah. and there was a little girl. I mean, Rosie, the cutest little girl you could imagine and you feel so much affection, but then you don't want to overstep. Yeah, it's a fine line. And we weren't married then, so you're just trying to navigate. That wasn't easy at the beginning, but he was very understanding of it. And then when we got married it all became just much easier because we knew okay, we're a unit and we'll figure this out. It wasn't like I was going to disappear or anything. I'm going to talk in broad stereotypes right now, so forgive me. There's going to be tons of exceptions to this rule that are Austrian. There's tons of exceptions that are male. A very common tension with men and women around me is The woman says something, The man hears, o, she's asking me to fix this problem. And then they start laying on, I'm gonna to fix this. And the woman's like, Hey, man, I just wanted some compassion I wanted you to just be with me with this. So that's like already a male female thing that kind of exists. And then I think Austrian, Scottish, Scottish are much more fucking Gaelic, we got flutes, We're very expressive, right? We're dancing around in the kilts. You know, it's a different culture. So I feel like that would even compound this male female thing a little bit. Completely. becauseuse I'm someone that's pretty tough. Like I give you an example, like when I get ill So it's like, do you need anything? I'm like, no' be, okay. so she just disappears. I'm like. Like six hours later he comes back I'm like do you have nice dinner?'s like, ye Are you better y? Do you think' bringing me anything or cheaking on Oh my Godd. Well, are you better, yeah? I'm like, no, you're like, Oh, well, he's like, No, you said you didn't need it. It bore him whereereas if he gets ill The world stops The world stops. And he's like, no what you had can't be what I have. it's so bad. I can't. Certainly the same virus. I gave it to you now you have it. how do you like it? Exactly. I definitely have to say he's got better with age. I arrived here yesterday and He wanted to surprise me by coming to the airport, which after We've been married fifteen together kind of seventeen and a half. And I was he a car book to pick me up and he wanted to surprise me, but he didn't realize that one of the group chats that he was speaking to our office on I was also on. He was like, I w want to surprise her. I' know, cancel her car and I'm to the airport and I' reading this in the airplane. I'm like, It's so intention. such a good intention. That is sweet. It's very sweet Yeah Yeah Okay. so Now back to your racing. back to racing. After racing for DTM for seven years, I guess, how do you get called to Williams? Frank Williams had come to watch German Tourin car race DTM race at Brands Hatch, but at the same time Toto was looking to possibly enter Formula One by investing. He looked at Tor Rosso at the time, was looking at Williams. So I don't shy away from the fact that I was on the radar, obviously also being Toto's wife. and Frank, I remember at the time Beuse his daughter hadn't started running the team. No, she was simply working in the team. Okay. And it was actually Toto was a big part in picking Clairire up and saying you need to be on the board, you need to be more involved you're a Williams. But let's just say for Frank He came from the era where Women definitely didn't go out on the track to race. You know they were very much behind the scenes and I was teammates at that time with David Coltart and Ral Schumacher are former drivers of his. He was always so interested in asking me about my racing and how did you start and you're Scottish? And he went to boarding school in Scotland and hated it. So we always had this joking about how I loved Scotland and he hated Scotland. And I said to him in one of those conversations, Well, it's my big dream to drive a Formula onene car. And at the end of the weekend, he called over Adam Parr, who was a CEO at the time And they said we've got something to tell you. We're going give you twenty five laps in an F one car. And that's all it was ever supposed to be. And at that point you had not been in a single seat massive aero car. So like you're rusty for this Rusty but DTM was a high level. so it wasn't like it was completely detached. But just open wheel, closed wheel, tons of downforce. Now Formula One car is completely different to anything else. Yeah. We've interviewed a few drivers at this point, but just to remind people, the easiest way to say it is like the car is creating so much downforce. It's a reverse airplane. It has a lot of aerodynamics to create. The opposite of lift. and so it's pushing the car really far down and the current car weighs like nine hundred and eighty kilograms or something. informed. He's very informed. But the car's creating two thousand kilograms of downforce. So for real, the car at a certain speed could drive upside down just fine. So you just gott to remember, that's the element in F one that's not in other racing And that's why at Silverstone, you can take a right handnder in seventh gear going one hundred and ninety miles an hour, a sharp right handnder and be stuck to the fuck. And that's a leap of faith. It is because it's counterintuitive that the more speed you have, the more downforce you have. And the more you're going to stick to the ground. Yes, you got to unravel everything you've learned almost. But the great thing is and I was really lucky As soon as that decision was made, I mean, really hats off to Williams, I was put through my pastes in the simulator, straightline tests, everything to get me ready to perform in that test. There was no way I was getting in without being Really ready for it. Stay tuned for more armchair experts. If you dare. 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She's insecure about how big her trip. Not anymore. I mean with the. Back in the day, backack in the day. Yeah. my Botox guy says I have a thick neck as well Oh Is he' doing. But I guess I do. We work to keep it small. But maybe I could have driven at one. Oh my Godd. missed my calling. But in a nutshell, so yes, your body at rests if you weigh one hundred fifty pounds at one atmospheric pressure, you weigh one hundred fifty pounds But as G forces go up There are moments on the track. I know the one that got you really hardcore was braking. You'll hit four point five Gs braking. And it's like something coming behind you forcing your head forward. becausecause you're strapped so tight into the seat and the seat's made for you and everything's down to the millimeter. So you're really well strapped in. you need very, very strong braking leg because the brake pressure is important. and then there's power steering in the car A your arm muscles that takes strainth it's your Lewis had said to me, put aick pardon paint it white so people can't really see it. It fade into the car. This is in Barcelona, there's one really, really long turn. and he's like, use it because if your neck goes, you had to do seventy two laps at Barcelona. It was a test to see if I could do a race distance. And he said, if your neck goes, which means you just can't hold up anymore. He said, you'll have to stop and you don't want to stop. he said he said, I do it at the beginning of a season as well before my neck muscles get built up and That was one of the best tips because he said, I should just end to the right. lean. So don't even try because it's like being a roller coaster, but try to keep your head straight. It's nearly impossible. twentyw turns for seventy two laps. It's like impossible. Yeah, if your head weighs eighteen pounds, it now weighs ninety pounds in the turnerm There was very first twenty labs. It was a damp track to begin with, which helps you force, but it's more challenging to be on a damp track. But there was never a moment on that day where because they'd done such a good job in the preparation, obviously there so much media around the fact that a girl was getting back in an F one car, which they had underestimated and I didn't even think factor but to your point earlier, it then worked in my favor because they realized I did well in the day and this is a big opportunity because this amount of interest for the team is hugely valuable. So they developed a role for me because it was in November and the team was already set for the phone year development driver whichich is a common term in F one now a development driver. Yeah, so what were your duties as a development driver? Lots of simulator work, lots of straight line tests, and then some testing throughout the season because it wasn't as limited as it is now. Okay, so when you get called told you're going to drive in practice at Silverstone for the British Grand Prix At that time it had been twenty two years since a female had been on a track in a F one car. Wow ' that decision come about and what was your So I did that one test that went well and then I became development driver and I was doing steady work of not crashing a car, straight line tests. and it was all of a natural development and I was obviously also pushing to say, well, what's next? Because you're getting used a lot in the media and there had to be an authenticity to it. And to be fair to Williams, they also just didn't want it to be a show. It had to had something. Well peopleeople were accusing it of being some kind of promotional media. Completely. So we felt then well there had to be substance to it, and that's why it just kept progressively getting to be more opportunity. So just talk about the morning waking up. I can already imagine this I'd love to go into that day very rested But of course the brain is like, there's no way you can sleep the night before, right? And Tota's next you. he has a race as well. He's now principal of Mercedes in this time And so you're just up All night, right? Yeah, it was really difficult because there was so many thoughts going through my head and the first thing I did when I woke up is you immediately check the weather because that plays such a big part in. if it was going to be damp. And the very difficult thing with FP one sessions is that I was taking Fali Botis's car And if I caused any damage, it had a huge impact on his race weekend. So you're very much told by the team, we're going to let you go for a fast lap because It means nothing to me if I can't go out and do a fast lap. Everyone's looking and I'd rather not drive than just drive around slowly. twentieth on the Exactly Yeah Golden rule is there's no way you can crash that car. Yeah, the amount of stress that you're taking on It's not even a real fair test of what do. This moment that people that aren't in cars wouldn't understand like the most humiliating thing you can do is fucking stall a car So even just right there, you getting out of the garage is like packed with stress now. Yeah. And it was just likeall or not got out the garage. And it was the first time my dad said to me, I came and he was like, don't go you didn't install. I was like, Oh my go. Yeah you're either gonna install or spin the tires, which you don't want to do because then you're out of control leaving the garage. It's like this tiny little window. Yeah, But you get out, you gotta be like, okay. middleall And then you get out there and what is the experience like once you're on track? Well, my very first test was a great experience, the FP one at Silverstone My wonderful Mercedes engine blew after one lap And that was such an anticlimax. Oh, yes, yes, yes Okay, but then you go back out, you do another a session in Spain. Hoenheim That was where I'd made my German toururing car debut. Now this is a big day because on this day, you ended up finishing the practice session, two tenths off of hil Mus says? Was it two? I thought it was one. Okay, the internet says two it was probably No, I think I probably my head I have is one. It was probably two. To tenths of a second next to the team driver. is fucking awesome That was such a different mentality to Silverstone because I think the disappointment of Silverstone I got to Hakenheim and I was in such a different statement I was like, yeah, let me get out there. I have to use this channel. pissed off. Yeah. It's a good fuelource. And I was so ful I had that other chance Becauseuse I thought if it had just been that and the engine had gone. So I was so grateful. And there was just one corner. I knew that there was a chance of hitting the gravel, so that's where I lost about a tenth and a half. Everywhere else on the track I was on the limit. the feeling driving if foreign car on the edge. I think there's nothing else that comes close. Everything's happening so fast. There isn't a single stray thought about anything else. It requires suchuch concentration and looking ahead nonstop that it is a unique state to find yourself compleomtely. And if you ask some of the current if one drivers, some even prefer qualifying because it's all down to that one lap. Whereas in a race you're always having to think of, okay when the pit stops, where you are in the race, everything. Whereas in qualifying, it's E everything into one lap and it's such a hyperfoccus. It's a special feeling. How fatigued did you feel at the end of Germany? Zero. Oh so h pumping with adrenaline. The neck was. I wouldn't say it by there Yeah. It was a neck. you need to tell your Botox soldier. If he wants to see a big neck, I'll send him p I mean doing wr by the evening I was completely adrenaline had worn out, but for me it was the best day of my career. You ultimately retire in twenty fifteen, although you do have a race in ' sixteen race of Champions. Yeah, that's more like a fun event for current andX dririvers. You have cute Jack in seventeen. Best thing I've ever done ye. be better. We become the team principal in Fmula E for Venturi racing There was a team that was back, losing a lot of money and I was searching for what to do after stopping my racing career, I was fighting a complete lack of identity. Yes. pitall. And as much as I loveved being a mother very quickly realized that I can't only be a mother. So was searching to find that thing and then formally opppportunity came and I was a real skeptic performly at the beginning because I was like electric racing cars. That wasn't my era, but it gained a lot of momentum when diesel Gate happened and electrification became a big thing and a tough challenge. Yeah, because team prrincipple is a much different role than driver Hugely different. Yeah. you're a manager, you're an inspirer, you're so many things. I had a lot to learn. But I had Watch total osely started to become very successful on F one and I kind of had a front row seat of hearing what his challenges were, of watching him do it. So I knew what the job entailed and forly overseas is this much smaller scale than F one. And my business partner who offered me the role and took a real leap of faith in me, Gille Lu Pastor, was someone I just had a good connection with and felt trust him and we turned the team around and then nearly won the forormmerer E World Championship. Yeah, and then you became the CEO of that team. Why did you leave you left in twenty twenty two? We sold the teams, Jilo wanted to exit and move into the space industry. He wanted to build an electric rover to go on Mars. Oh. Which We were set to do together again until I got the call from Stephano Dominicali for F one Academy. All right, so tell people what F one Academy is. F one Academy is a series started by F one, which is for all female drivers. Weve nearly fully fund the drivers in the series. and it's basically a platform or series to give female talent the opportunity in the sport to break down the preconceptions that it's a man's world and to kind of inspire the next generation to see that there's a place for women in the sport. And it's a response to noticing, right the demographic of fans was changing pretty dramatically. Like a lot of young females were coming in as spectators of the sport. It had shifted massively because of the show. I bet that's part of it. show. It definitely got a lot of people who didn't know about F one to be. I'm into forormula one because of drive to survive. I was like yeah I was like, that's the boringest racing in the world. They don't ever pass each other. Who cares? And then once I found out like how much is going into that noody passes anybody, I'm like, oh, there's so much going on that I just didn't know. It's a science fair It completely is. And in this drama off track as well as on track, the politics Yeah What a show, what a show. Yeah. So yeah, they hed all these new female spectators And a very young female demographic. and I have to give credit to Stefeno to Liberty. They said, okay, we need to create something that gives opportunity to young women because they recognized that it was shifting and Would I have started an old female series I mean, we are the only race series in the world that O eighty percent funds our drivers. So basically we're giving half a million euros to every driver in order to do season and really have the possibility to nurture their talent and allow them to develop it. But in some weird way, did you have to step over the notion that this is going backwards? We're trying to get women and men to race together. so if we split this off, is that lowering the bar for the women? Yeah. And there was someone that had tried and failed before called W series. And people would always say, why didn't you get involved in support? But I didn't get involved' understand the business model. I didn't understand how they were going to make it work and they were doing it as a business venture. So it was more that I didn't understand the sustainability of how to make into a business. Whereas with F one Academy, it was backed by F one It had the investment from Liberty. It was set up very differently. I think we should talk about that. When you got there, the driver was responsible for a third of the budget Liberty was gonna to give a third and then F one gives a third or someone else The driver won third, the team won third, and Liberty won third. Right. So this is a lot of onus on a young driver and there's not a lot of sponsor money flooding into this new thing. So when you got there, it wasn't actually tenable. It wasn't tenable at all, and will never forget the first time I because there was a lot to get the contract on board and obviously had to exit this this project And I was letting Gildo down, so it all took a bit of management. so by the time I got to my first race, I remember getting ne there it was Paul Ricard in the south of France thinking, cars are wrong, Why is this empty? And I got to the entrance And there wasn't a security guard in the entrance. I'm thinking It's really strange and I get to the padd. You thought you theong date mate. I thought I said something wrong. calendar deb. And I get out of my car and I'm immediately met by drivers to say, you know, I just want to give you the heads up. I can't find the one third sponsorship money. It was one hundred fifty thousand euros. Then some of the team managers came and said, we're not finding any sponsorship out there. so we're out. Oh boy You're finding out you've taken on a roll. It's collapsing And I called Steph and I said, Listen, this is not working. He's like, okay, well, what do we need to do? I was like, I dont know just now, but let me figure it out G give me time. And that's when I quickly realized, okay, we need to race the F one. We need to get F one teams on board, and we need to get commercial partners on board and bring all the assets in the house. And so then you go through this precarious building of commitment from the teams and you go to Toto first. who's like get everyone else and d' be the first one in and you're gonna have to get six in then I can be the seventh. Toto. Never like. No, You can't show favoritism. Exactly. And I completely get that. It wasn't even that I felt angry about I completely understood. So you were able to do that though, you got six teams. You had to go to Horner is its own unique thing because of the rivalry Toto. But to be fair to him, he was great. He was quick in. Yeah. You were able to make this kind of a viable offering. And then how has the success of it unfolded With the F one teams, I didn't sign up long term. I said, listen, if this doesn't work, you can all leave. I'm not obliging you. because what I didn't want it to be was a charity. Yeah a charity. but also like a feminist crusade. as against the world. It wasn't I said to them, you know, I think this will be for the greater good of the sport. We have this new fan demographic, but it's got to work. And if it doesn't, you're all free to leave because this is not something I'm obliging you to do that you feel you have to do. And then within the year it kind of started gaining momentum. And then when I kind of at the beginning of this year I went to all the teams, it was clear that they wanted to sign up for the long term and we have commercial partners it's just really gone from strengths to strength. but I don't take all the credit for that because I do think boort in itself should take the credit because they've created this opportunity and they've all got on board with it. And they made some compromises they hadn't in the past. like they're letting you use the logo in a way that other teams can't. They've carved out some provisions to be helpful. And then you got some major sponsors. You got Hillfiger, you got a makeup brand that I don't know. Charlotte Tilby. we have Sora Pepsy with Gator Rade, we have American Express Marquee. They made an F one Academy car.. The commercial partnerships were very strategic in that I want your thirteen year old or however old your daughter is to feel some affinity. Well, I can belong there. There's a place for me in this sport. So when she goes to a carart track or another little eight year old goes to the carart track,s like I can do this because she's seen others doing it and she sees the pathway. And it just takes one, but it can change everything. It makes that reality possible. Yeah. Do you have any part of scouting who will join the academy? Do you have fun observing young racers and thinking who would be are they already coming by way of the teams It's kind of a mixture. I get a lot of fun and that's a little bit why I wrote the book of passing on all my learnings because I really feel As women, especially when you have knowledge and experience, it's so important to pass it on to the next generation because it can help so much for others not to face the same battles you did. So I do love that I'm giving them a chance because I got chances in my life that I'm kind of passing on the challenges that they can learn from, they don't have to go through themselves. And I love being on the race weekends and seeing them take this opportunity and we still have our skeptics and we still have our ego maniacs in the paddock who will always be negative about it. I know them and I know their opinions are never going to change, but that's okay because I feel the momentum of it as a whole. And I think ultimately, you know, we see more young girls turning up a carting tracks. And a lot of the young women are veryery popular, like they'll outpace the popularity of some F three drivers. Like if I look at Instagram and stuff, you have some drivers that are pretty wildly popular, which is cool. whichich is very cool. Yeah. Now, if you had to distill everything you know of your last thirty plus years navigating a fully mail environment What advice do you have as far as like, no, you can be loud, loud and be pink. But also, here's a reality that you're not gonna to get around. I mean, do you think you can be out loud and pink? No, I do. Looking back, and it was so funny because at the end of the book, my brother kind of said, Oh, what would you tell little Susie? And when I sat down, it was like, Not what I can tell her, it's what that little girl, that belief she had in herself, that feearlessness, that ambition, that little girl who said at thirteen, I want to make it D if one, despite the fact there was nobody that looked like her doing that And I sometimes think that If we go back to the child in us, what would your life be if you had no limitations? If you didn't have society's preconceptions shoved on you of what your life should look like and what you should be? For all my years and that's where the books giv me so much perspective because I think I compartmentalize. I'm always looking forward. I never really looked backwards to think, okay, well How was the journey? What did I learn? But I think it's having that belief in yourself. And sometimes there'll be moments of your life where you do doubt yourself. There's moments where I'm not sure I've got this all under control. but you got to have that belief. Are there like domains that you've seen where it's like, oh yeah, that's how it is. And this is where I can make progress? I think where we are in the sport now compared to even just five years ago, even ten years ago, there's been a huge shift culturally And maybe it's linked to society and the H Mu movement and some say I went too far. It helped industries like ours because let's say The behaviors of certain individuals and I don't want to say it's blackmarking everyone, but the culture changed. You don't get away with it anymore. You're seeing it everywhere across the board. You're seeing these older figures in Formula onene putting their feet in their mouth pretty regularly. Like in the last five years, there's all this residual racism that you're like, who, what do you say A German driver has a different mind than a Mexican driver. You know, there's been a lot of rapidly evolving And I think Louis should take some credit for it. Yeah ye ye. You know he's someone that the easiest thing to do is just follow the trodden path. But he chose to be different. He brought a culture into the sport. He made that entry into the pits like a catwalk for all of us, which has been great for the sport, but he chose to stand up for what he believed in and he chose to be different because that's who he was. And that also help moved it all forward. Yeah, when your most valuable asset is being out loud about racism What choice do you You can't silence that person. And he's a goat. Yeah. If he says it, people are forced to backack to the objectivity. You can say what you want. this guy's won one hundred races. He has the good. Yeah. But definitely what I see now, the minute I go into an important meeting, I can tell within the first ten minutes if the man at the table has a daughter or not because it's such a different view when you're a man with a daughter at the table. because it's as if you're able to see the situation through what your daughter would experience. Yeah. And you want the world to be the most inviting place for her. And even some of the decision makers in the sports H mayaybe their daughters is not going to come into the sport, but you can see them understanding, ye, I get that because actually Would I want my daughter to be treated like that or not get that opportunity? No, I wouldn't. And so they're much more proactive. And I think that's also changed because the leaders now, they are the next generation and they want this sport to be in the right place. Yeahes, Stefano's just a good dude on top of everythingthing else. Yeah He's not like some of the previous heads of F one. No. Yeah, he's an evolved guy. You've been fearless What has it been like watching your son be in carts Well, it's so interesting. your story with your daughter because Jack is really into racing. He has been from Yen. and you could argue well he's surrounded by it, but Toto was very against him getting into racing because he kind of felt Why would we do that to ourselves? you know, But the name and it's our industry. I kind of said him I get that, but I got given that chance. and if he really wants it, I'm not going to not give him the chance. Yeah. He got scared, Tota got scared by the want accident. He is a parent that has fear for his kids or just anything happening in general. Yeah. But he also when we started going to the cart track, he could see how much Jack got into it and now we have the life of The motor homeome, the. And those are some of the best weekends we have because it's back to basics and it's together as a family and it's seeing this little guy have to dig deep in moments. and yes, his name makes him a target. Yeah. But I say to myself, well It'll toughen him up because no matter what he does' in life and whether he's good enough or not, he'll have to figure it out. But I think sport for a young person just teaches you so many life skills. How about you driving? you still get joy out of driving? Do you do track days? I don't have capacity because now every weekend that I'm not on if one weekend, it's with Jack on the car track. I kind of feel I had my turn. great. I still love driving fast, tootal niz. I think if we would have a free weekend, we would love nothing more than to get on a racetrack with a GT car or something But then it can always end up with us not speaking to each other because people both want to beat each other. Yeah. But he was very honest about he tries to cheat every time that you're always a half second faster, no matter what cheating he have. I love that. You put different tires on the cart, you put ballas in your cart. Can't be beat. No matter what, you're still half second, always faster. Yeah. there will be a moment in time where We will be the old ones out on track. I hope we're best Hanging on and still getting. I'll be there Oh we have So cool. Well, I'll tell you what your book does a great job of. and the book's called driven is you really do a good job of helping people understand what it's like to be sitting in the car strapped in The experience of it is so unique And you do a great first person job of explaining what that feels like. That's a very unique perspective. Well that's a real compliment coming from you.., I know. it's so unique. and I think it's so applicable to any situation where it's like, okay I've been aiming at nothing but this. we're now here. o fuck. You don't have to be into racing to have that experience. You're pitching for the first time as the head of your department and this is the day. and I think it's highly relatable I adore you. And I'm really glad I got to meet. You're gonna make me fly. This is so great. But driven is out now. Also people can listen to it, which I advise. You read it? I read it ye. Was that daunting? You know, my publishher said, Ohh, you need five days. I' like, I don't have five days. I read it in two. Yeah. So it's like but I found therautic in a way. I kind of got into a rhythm and I really enjoyed it And did you have this moment? I think sometimes when I've read what I've written, it helps me integrate what happened in my life. I found it was a lot more work than anticipated and we were perfectious so we got to nine draft, my brother and I, but I found the whole experience to really Enjoyable and therapeutic, deffinitely. Yeah, like it helps you take a minute and recognize, o right, I really did go all through all those things and I survived all those things and I can survive a lot. Did you get unexpectedly emotional while reading it ever Yeah Yeah, what parts The hardest was a letter to little Suszie. I took like five attempts ' I kept welling up Be I guess it was the moment where I was speaking to myself in a way, but it was very emotional. I bet I know what was going on. Which is Susie's been talking so mean to herself since she was a little kid. And you got to be kind to her and you probably deserved a little kindness from yourself. Yeah. And that's really hard, right? That is so true. It was always more. It was always you' gota keep going. This is not good enough and keep and suddenly yourself. I L look at that little girl and I w to give her a hug. Yeah. Just take a break for you.. And aren't you proud of her And'm so thankful to my parents looking back this little girl whoood this Dream and drive and ambition is I just want to hug her and say you did okay.. It's stressful having a huge dream. Yeah Oh God. Well, Suzie, I adore you. This has been so fun. Everybody so much Dven. I'm so glad you wrote it. You're so good for the sport And I hope we get to talk to you again. I really hope we're like in our seventies driving the Nurburg Ring together on a weekend. I think let's do a trip to the TT and then from thego Street to Nurburg Ring Do a few laps. I'm An. I took Kristen in the Nerberg ring in a rental. But do you know the track? I didn't. That was my first time there. I rented a car at Avis rental car at Frankfurt Airport And I asked the German Davis Reynold guy, couldould you put into the nav because it was all in German. Can you put in the Nerberg ring? Oh, no, you must not drive this car on the ring. I said, Oh, no, no, no, I would never drive this No, you must not. I go, no, no, I'm going to go spectate. I just want to look at it from far as Okay he reluctantly put it in. sureure enough, we went and just bought laps. And yeah went out and we were in a pack between a GT two and a GT three. We were in like base nine eleven. But it was so funny. But anyways, Kristin just like reading a magazine the whole time. Oh the bowls coming up. You gott to look at the she could care less. She's just like reading ye. I just have one funny story to share with you I just joined Mercedes Benz for DTM. and we'd done preason testing, we'd done the first race, and then I got told to go to Nurberging. And I was a young Scottish girl that really only d single Ceders had driven nationally in the UK. So Bern Schneidder, who was like the king of DTM. He' like, Oh, let's go and do lap at the Nurbberging And I'm like,'s Nurbergring? He's like come with me. Oh boy yeah.' getting the C sixty three The byer goes up and he takes off and I'm like And because I didn't know what it was in the corners, this is a never ending racing track. It's like a twelve point eight mile lap and there's every different surface. You're almost on cobblone at one point. You're like you're in cement bowl, then you're on asphalt, then you're in the woods. Incredible. Then if it starts raining, things get really exciting. What's happened to us Okay, I adore you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank us very much We hope you enjoyed this episode. Unfortunately they made some mistakes Now I don't like time again Why 'cause that was so sad and sweet. that made you Time that's gone by. Yeah Should we play the audio of that? I don't know if it's good enough audio. You really see the face.s It looks like a mix between Rumelchildtkin and Throw mama from the train Yeah D o, Dax found an old video of Delta. Yeah. and she's being interviewed for the quote documentary that Lily's making. I wish we could show it. We can't. You know, Delta just said to me the other day, if there's ever a way I could be on the fact check again, I was like, I miss you on the fact check so much. I know We can put a bag over our head. Yeah, that's outside That's what your favorite to do is. My favorite thing to do is play basketball. She's never played basketball. What? is what are your talents? Bultleam. My talent is small. I try to be like Lincoln because Lincoln does good stuff. that's sweet. T much Rinks, Lily says, what are your talents? And she says, my talents are talent is she switches it the singular Oh feel like Lincoln because Lincoln does good stop Yeah, I guess it's heartbreaking, but it's but they go for videos. I know. Like there's no video of me doing anything either. None of you. You guys had probably camorders, right? Cam cam quorders and you know, when you put the tape in Yeah So there were some tapes, but they're all gone. They haven't been digitized. That feels like something your mom would have done in her retirement is digitize the VHS She needs a call. Yeah. Oh yeah saf Yeah What is it Rob Look how Jesus. I feel less spatting. himim, Rob doesn't know something. It was called Sfe lock Now Legacy box. Legacy box. Are they still with us U they're alive, yeah. Oh great. She know' with us though. You should yell to your mom. M go digitize our stuff, momom, make me aokshake Yeah, but had a sandwich. And a sandwich too and digitized everything She should. She really should. Yeah. Um But also it might be like Luster back then, like I can't im I bet it was a mess. There would never have been a two camera. like it would have been like a you in the back grade some singing or something you know, something like that. In event. An event. There wasn't just random candid B rolling shot like it is not. I don't think so. Yeah. But this is a ding, ding ding because time is sad as we know Uhuh. the passage of time Yeah and father time Yeah. Motherure.' a father because he's just so mean. He's strict Yeah, he's strict. His word is final He won't lay up. L he won't just like give us a break. No his word is unwavering. when he says the time has passed, it has passed. There's no going back Yeah. So rude. Rgid, rigid. Very rigid. Yeah. Stuck in his w. But I think it gives our life its meaning without it What's the meaning I have a rack. Oh, I's here. An of curiosity. I hope you are. Are you watching Widows Bay? Oh yeah, I think we I think I told did I not tell you? Yeah Yes. I am. Okay, so pen and that. Okay Pin in whichever, I guess. whichich one do we want to move forward with? We can the other one. Widow's Bay Yes, I'm watching. I'm not Cughta Okay, no spoilers. No spoilers. Everyone's dead. Greay. It's like a comedy horror show. Oh, the comedy is comedy though. Well so funny. Well, it's Katie Dipppold who is so funny. She I used to watch her at UCB in the in my heyday all the time. She She was a big star there Yes. And she created it and she is so funny. Shes wrote for Parks and Rack and she's just like I think she's written some stuff forul that Paul Fg is directed. She's just brilliant. And so when I saw that it was her Oh, I gotta watch this U and it's fantastic. Well, what I was so pumped about is Nancy from Bless this Mess. Do you remember Nancy on Bless this Mess? She works at the museum at the Widows Bay Museum ve if you've seen the first episode saw first Yeah they go to the museum and it's the history of the island. And what's so funny is of course, burning is a real black markark on Salem But when she's walking this reporter through the museum They get to this bloody outfit from a burned witch And she said, Well, here's a source of great pride for us found him Burned him? delivery of She wasn't blessed this mess. Yeah, she was one of our neighbors. And she was so I loved her so much. She was so fun. She knitted me like a couple of scarves and stuff. She was a knitter. That's so cute. Yeah. Wit, who's the actress Nancy Lenaham. Oh cool. And she's so good. Well, it's also shot a lot of it's directed by Hero. Yeah, who did a lot of Atlanta. Yes. So it's just it's brilliant. Power Powerhouse crew. Yes. Can't recommend it enough. It's so silly. It is, but it's also getting skilly It's Matthew Rese, one of our We love him. good. He's so so good. moovable feast. That's the name of his boat in Manhattan. my God Yeah. Check that episode out the archives. Give it a listen. He's so charming. He was He was COVID though. He wasn't in person Was he? Yeah So I really want I want to sit with him. Okay, so back to What I was going to say about time So yesterday I can say this because it's been announced. Elizabeth came over because she's moving. her and Andy are moving to France for a whole year. the opposite of we. No no. no no No not a wee wee. I know. And like it's going to be great for them. and they're going to have so much fun and it's a beautiful thing to do and'm will they be podcasting from France? They will be. Okay. So that's so fun. Yeah. and like It' be very fun to listen along on their adventures. you know, that'll be great. but I hate it, you know, I really hate it. But then it's, you know, Elizabeth is kind is is prior Okay. herer tears come easy. Okay. And You know, she like gets out of the car and she's like already like, I didn't bring I didn't wear a mascara like on purpose I know I'm gonna call. This is to tell you that they're moving? No, like it's just the last time I'll see her. Wait, they're moving tonight. I leave on Friday. Okay. And then they leave like a couple they leave like a week later while while I'm gone. Oh yeah, it's just So this is the last time I'm gonna see her before they leave. Until you go visit in fr whereere they moving in front? O But tell me about Bordo? That's the wine country. I guess. I don't know. Yeah, it's like there's wine there. Is on a river?ould I don't know much about it. I've never been. How did they pick that place? These want to be so close to the wine No, they don't even really drink much. So they went last summer. It's always been a dream of Elizabeth to live in France. So last summer, they went to just test the waters? Yeah, they went to test the waters and try it out. And they loved it, but they had to come home a little earlier than expected because unfortunately, Andy's father passed away. So they they came home. They loved it, but I didn't think they loved it that much Right Like I wasn't like, oh, like's unfinished business. Everywhere I'm at on vacation, I'm certain I want to live there for a year. I mean, everywhere I go virtually. I know So she so I didn't expect this really. I thought they kind of got it out of their system last summer or like maybe they go back for another summer break, but liiving for a whole year. I didn't expect it And so anyway, she came over and was she was like, I'm gonna cry, you know, just and I was like, o I've come here to cry. Yeah. And there was another friend there, Sophia, who's kind of a new friend. So it was good. I was like, Well, Sophia's here, she'll like buffer And And Elizabeth is like, you know, she's kind of like, well, I don't, that's not going to stop me and also like I don't need that. Yeah. let's go Right. And so, you know, we talked a lot and then does it make you nervous that she's going cry because you feel obligated to cry in return? Okaykay, this is what we started talking about because I was like, you felt pressure Well, I think Elizabeth was like, you better cry. Oh well, that that's direct pressure. That's not even in your head. At one point that st that. And I was like I'm not gonna I said. I said, I'm not going to. Yeah. And Sophia was like You better cry for her. Oh I was like Oh o my god, oh my Godd. like pressure. Oh no, oh no And I, you know, I didn't Yeah, I knew that. I did the whole I didn't And and you know at the end And ten years, I think I've seen you cry like three or four times. You four of the seven cries. seen me cry Like disproportionately than most people. Right. And even still, yes, not that often. Correct. Yeah. Anyway, so I didn't cry at all. And then, you know, we were hugging by and I still wasn't crying. Were you trying to make yourself? Could you feel yourself like focusing on your eyes a little. A little. She was like, wow, not even Not even a little Not even a little water in there. Yeah N not even a well up. Yeah. And I was like, well, it's It's there, it's there. It's on the inside, you know, And it's a ding ding ding to the graduation, Delta's graduation everyveryone was crying and I wasn't crying. Yeah. And everyone and I was like, some people are performing here, but really they weren't, you know, they just cry and I you were just self conscious that you weren't Yeah, of course. Yeah And but I was sad at the graduation and I was sad last night. Yeah. But I have a problem Look, I know this very well. I'm like, you know, deaths and people getting arrested and friends dying. and yeah, I feel the pressure of someone likeike waiting for me to have this expected reaction Yeah reaction. and then Kind of once that occurs to you that you're supposed to, for me, train's left the station. There's no reaching the cry point because you're now self conscious about not crying. Right. And that's just not the frame of mind to cry Like they say, you know, the trick in acting is to try your hardest not to cry. Exactly. I love that trick because I can do that. Yeah yeah. But then but'm I was never good at crying as an actor I'm caught between wanting to give another recommendation, but also wanting to talk about an actor I saw that was using menthol. And I don't ever want get to be exposed of who? I use menthol in emmployee of the mononth I would have felt unethical about doing that like in parenthood, but I did not feel unethical about doing it employ it was I had won like I had won a ring competition and I thought it would be hilarious if I was just like uncontrolledably sobbing at this victory. Yeah. And yeah, I used a lot of it. and my eyes were fucking on fire and I was put to spray more Yeah. ye Yeah, I I don't I don't know. I just don't think I cry when I'm sad cry when you're mad. I cry when I'm mad and frustrated. frustrated Cry Wf No, never I don't cry Wolf. Lliz is at the window. She was there. Oh my gos. I might cry right now because I'm being frustrated. I misunderstood. I don't want to frustrate you. for the break Yeah, so yeah, I think I cry when I'm angry and I cry when I'm frustrated and I cry when I'm embarrassed. That's Oh yeah. That's. That's the first time I saw you cry. That's the first time I told you B I ran into the window Yeah. Yeah because I ran I went into the car and then I cried. Oh, you held your crying until the car. Yeah, I mean, I was walking to the car. Oh So was probably it was probably starting immediately but no one had When you turned back, I thought I saw a What was the beginning of a breakdown? I could be wrong I definitely thought oh, like who cares about banging in the glass, but the look was like, Ohh we're gonna have some crying Yeah Yeah. And the some What was the event that night? There was someone was in tou Bob Murvack was in tou. Bob Murvack. It was the first time I ever met him. It was a long time ago. Yeah. Yeah And u Some people Quick triggers for me quit like Um I as I said, I've cried in front of you a fair amount. Yeah. I've cried Parents D't get a good cry out youet meet a cry. Yeah then this is consistent. Dad. Yeah. I mean, Bill so far hasn't. He hasn't. Yeah. He will. I hope not. I don't want to cry in front of him. Okay. I to be W you let him hold you? No. I don't want my dads hold me. No, no, no, no. U Yeah, so So anyway, I just like did she left and I was like, God, like cry more. I can't I just I wish I did. I wish I had cried then But it wasn't gonna to happen. I don't cry out of sadness. I cry out of my heart being touched as you know a lot. Yes. Yeah Me too. I think that's more that's definitely more likely than sadness. Like if something's just like so overwhelmingly like Seet or beautiful. like life is beautiful. Yeah. I cry at L is beautiful. Oh that's good Not the movie you've never seen it, but Oh just the beauty of life. Yeah. Okay Like sports moments. The last phase, I think for me to be a complete crier is I have had two or three different moments in the last couple of years where I was so frustrated that I didnt have the feeling in my body of like if I could just ball right now, I would feel so much better at the end of this. Or sometimes there's like There'll be the occasion where, again, in my mind, whether this is happening or not, doesn't matter. I feel like all three of them are coming at me And I am biting my tongue. Yeah, overwhelmed and maybe ganged up on and I'm biting my tongues. I don't want to make anything worse And I do reach a point when I'm biting my tongue or I can feel my eyes are gonna betray me. Like I'm gonna start crying out of my anger and frustration. yourself because then everyone will stop being mean to you.' be like, o maybe we Yeahle. Oh no. he's like ry What's so funny is I think half the time they'd have no idea because they they don't know necessarily when I'm like fighting my hardest not to get involved or to say something. That's really H for me. Do you ever just decide to walk away Like I Oh God, yeah. I go upstairs. I quote go upstairs for something. fucking all the time. Yeah, yeah As I think it's a real patented dad movie. Yeah, it's good to go upstairs as a dad. O go out to the garage. I always have to go out to the garage and just do one thing and then like I can return. Yeah As soon as you need a minute. I like how generic I am. Some part of me I like that I'm like doing what all dads do and that I You know what makes me feel like I grew up. What' your like quintessential image of ad Well, that's what I was going say. I've never seen I never saw my father, parent in a relationship I only saw him operate as a lone wolf and my mom And then my stepdads, they didn't hold their tongue. You know, they they yelled all the time and screamed Yeah swore and said really nasty character assassinations of us a lot U But I've never seen the healthy version where it's like, oh yeah, dad's going up to the garage to check on you know, a blank. Right. And now he's back and he's now he's calm. you know, like I don't know. Interesting. But I guess I've seen it in movies and in TV shows and I've seen it maybe in other people's family. And I just know I'm a part of like a great tradition. When I think of dads The first image I think of is in a store Dad just sitting in whatever seat there is makeshift seat. There's always a day sit on the Yeah they're just sitting there waiting for everyone else to be the mom and the daughter to be done shopping. I mean, we would all go to the outlet mall. How could he do it I can't even do it. He wants to do it too, and then he's not mostost of the time he's not even going in any stores. He's just waiting outside the store while we go in store after shopping is miserable. But then why does he wantan to go? I don't know good to be a good dad. T spend time That's right. sitting and getting exhausted in stores and watching so hot watching The saved money disappeared. Exactly. He's just sweating out there. It's like actually so sweet that he's just like going real men ye. Just going to these stores for no reason it. And even he's never like, let's go. like he never says let's go And he's thinking it over and over again and he's resisting. I wonder if he's ever had a solemn tear you missed likeike and he's sitting in that chair? No. It's just well, it's just like He wants to go like, Ohh God like let's leave, please, let's leave. But then he does. He already feels that complete angst of being stalked somewhere. doesn't. That's the thing about him. He iss really. Well he's a better man than I am Well maybe it's his Indianness. I don't know, but like it's pretty wild. He just like really He'll spend seven hours out with you Yeah. And he doesn't buy one thing right? He doesn't pick anything up. Fuck that. That's like being in an eight hour long fucking cricketer. I couldn't do. Well Nothing's happening. He likes cricket. Maybe that's what's maybe that's what Well, he playays formatted him be so tolerant of boredom. I think they are just, I think Indian Well, I shouldn't say, I don't know. I just think Well maybe Indian med from Karerala. They just like know to go along with the women Yeah And they're like, it's fine. like it's fine. Just let them do. I guess my question is Wh Why would Yes, why does why would any of the women want to there? He wants to be nearby becausecause he only sees you on the weekends and you guys want to spend the whole weekend shoping. Yeah. Uh Although now when I go home He doesn't really come with us. Like if we go to TJ Max, he doesn't come. Yeah. good. He just meets us at dinner. Yeahes. It's better.'s better. the lunch, drive two cars. He can stop at home de. better But u Yeah. Can you imagine going to homeome deepot with him for seven hours? No, I just I would never do that And think about I didn't have to do that as a kid. It felt like seven hours probably twenty minutes. Yeah, twenty minutes becauseuse that's how guys shop. They like already know what they want before they walk in. I hate it. And imagine like really put yourself in a situation where you were at Home Depot for seven hours. Th and a half movies. Well, he must not hate it or he wouldn't come. orr he's just like He's like a monk. He can like just ignore the pain. He can, I do think, like really just like He just like doesn't complain about anything. Yeah It's pretty wild. Yeah It's attractive. I guess like That's what you should be as a guy. No complaining. That's right My therapist said to me. You should never say what about me That's not your domain. Well, I like that's right. Well, no, you're still a person But he doesn't. I've never heard him s. Yeah. it's not You can do that You are free to do that. Yeah. And then there are certain outcomes of that. And that's I don't want that outcome. Yeah, but you also don't want resentment. You don I'm not gonna to get resentment. But some people could no, no, no. you could build a resentment like nobody's thinking about me. No one's even noticing me. No one cares what I think. Well, you're not allowed to do that either because that's not grown up behavior either. Right That's gonna be some people. Yeah, but like in pursuit of being a man The definition my therapist and I have for me as a man. Yeah. includes Shutting the fuck up. No resentments, no pity party. No what about me? That's the strength that you're supposed to exude as a man You're supposed to bring strength to this And that's We think that's just screaming and shoving other men. no, no. The strength is ra The restraint. Yeah. Well this is good because it's Oh my gosh. Father's Day Is it this Sunday Oh my God. Rob, are you being spoiled? You're traveling too Yeah. Don't you feel like traveling nullifies the event? Yeah, my birthday always is right on it too. right by it. Oh Do you get triple screwed. That' Saturday, Sunday Okay. what would you want to do this year Well, I don't know if it was last year or the year before, but I hosted a Father's Day party and it was tournaments. It was a volleyball tournament a pickleball tournament Yeah and sideline shoulder massages. That's nice And food. And it was really quite fun I didn't know about cylus. I didn't know about the food When you weren't playing pickleball, you were getting a shoulder m. That's cool. Right Because for Mother's Day I bring in all these people. You do, yes. And so We're not going to get pedicures and manicures, although we could and they're fun. They are fun. I did And you kind of need one. I need one. Well, you always complain about your toes. You're always complaining about that. I don't know if I would in good conscious let someone They probably want to. They're like, you know what? This is like Everest, you know, like they really they want at them and they want to see what they can do. Remember I spoke about we could look this up now.. Rob, do you Can you control the TV? Yep We look like Malala. in Zarna Garg. Oh, Zarna, she's very funny. Do you know her? Remember I was telling you about the video? Yeah Well, someone was nice enough to tellell me What video was watching? Oh yeah. Yeah. That's cool. She's very funny.s People really love her. We might be able to Connected to Dax's Max stududio ange just p. love a man and a horse? That's your thing these days? That's my thing, yeah.ice. I'm watching exclusively men and horses But only kissing. Oh, you draw the line. Yeah. Oh wow. I gotta figure out how to get this audio to go through there though This is hard. What happens if you hit play Let's find out. Yeah, no audience. Do't. Yeah. All right, never mind. Yeah We're not as techy as we appear to be. I guess I could have just looked it up on my phone. It would' have been a lot easier So Malara, I'm the world's leading almost therapist. Whatever your problem is, I can solve it. Just tell me what it is let's go. When I was fifteen I was shot by the Taliban inistan. Okay that happens and then I went to a different country in the UK for my surgeries Okay, that sounds fun. That sounds fun Yeah, newew culture, new environment, I joined the school, but I couldn't make any friends. I was really lonely. because you were the problem. So by the end of my school time, I had only made one friend. one friend That's s sad for the friend who was stuck with you I was in college at Oxford I said I'm going to make as many friends as possible. Oh, Oxford, you went to Oxford? Yeah. What you didn't get into Cambridge? That was place to go to. see right there we just identified the first problem. You have dreams. Wh You know, I'm really sorry to just bring this up, but you sound of like you complain a lot You're coming across a little whiny about the old girls need to be this in that situation. It But you got shot once, you're fine. The other side of your face looking great as far as I can tell. Ething is fine. you're welcome. The other side of. You're fine, thank you. You're welcome So you got shot in the face. Yeah. I love that accent. It's so pleasing You like it or does it make me nervous? I mean, it makes me nervous, obviously. Yeah. It makes me nervous. when you listen to it, that be able to help yourself to do it. There's something so pleasing and melodic about it. It I mean, it's very Malala It is melodic. It's sing songy. That's the I think is maybe a pejorative way of saying it maybe. No, but it is But it's sing songy. It has like a real This is close That's like as safe as I can You want me know it's Father's Day. You want me to let you do it. Go ahead. No, it's done Rob. You want to me try? No, no, no. That's not my father's Day wish. What is? Horseporn. Great. Kiss We can make that. Really passionate kissing between us man in a horse Oh my God, all right, let's do some facts Stay tuned for more arm chair experts If you dare. There it is This corner kit could be a big one There's the cross He rises to meet it and It's a Soccer's biggest tournament is here. and Eerprise is turning every corner kick goal into your chance to win a car. The moment a corner kick is called, post on X with hashtag on every corner hashtag sweepstickakes and tag Enerprise. If it's a corner kick goal, you could win Winners may pick up their cars at an enterprise or an enterprise car sales location on a corner near them With over a thousand corner kicks expected, that's a lot of chances to win. 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Now they can't Well, no, if you have a mint condition untered. You don't want to change the paininkt color. You would be degraded were ever made green originally. Correct. That was and noor they had put like a cool engine in it and bigger you know, they did what I do to cars. Right So am I supposed to want an original or a souped up? It's a tricky one because those cars I'm ball parking, but I think a go wing Th hundred, That's got toa be like a three to five million dollars And if you chopped it all up and put all this school stuff in it, it would probably be worth like eight hundred thousand So you would be losing two and a half million dollars of the value to have the car you wanted. Yeah. Like if I take my Lincoln It's not going it wasn't worth a lot of money before I did all that shit to it. Yeah. None of my c. But now it's worth more, it feels like Oh, you're saying because it wasn't worth a lot. Exactly. Yeah. becauseuse you're not getting it to be completely pristine and original. Well, this is interesting because I've never been in this position. normal. I'm normally I'm on the other side of this where I like don't care about the value like I want to like what I'm driving in and what it looks like. That's how I feel Yeah. That's why I don't get those kind of cars. All right. We never want to get a kind of car that I'm making it less valuable by making it better. I'd rather just buy. So if like Toto and Suzy buy me one and then I have you soup it up I'll probably be mad about that They will be bummed. Yeah, that you made a couple million dollars disappear. Okay I'm in a pickle. Anyway, she was amazing. She was. Sounds like a fun family too. I know. I remember she was talking about Isle of Man TT? Yes. That started last weekend. Did you watch it? And Brad was there. and Channing And they were filming. Yeah for their new. I think they're making a movie about I don't know if it's both of them, but I think Channing was filming something for a movie about Iowaan. Oh my go. I wonder if it's a do He was there That'd be a doc with chantning in it. What would be the point, right? Oh, he was star I meant like he was like No he was on a motorcycle in leathers. I'm presuming filming him yeah Cool. Okay, some facts, The Topo Chico shortage. Yikes Crisis. Yeah. Okay, a nationwide shortage of Topo Chico original mineral water is affecting store shelves and bars in the US. Coca Cola suspended production of its flagship sparkling water at its Monterey Mexico facility to perform well stabilization and facility upgrades. Supplies are expected to remain extremely limited through late twenty twenty six This is a big boy I feel like the well went dry You're not telling us I know. CNN said America's running out of Topo Chico mineral water. Well, we love To Chico I know We have bottles in that fridge just accruing What going to do when they I know're gonna auction them. Remember people paid an insane amount of money for original Coke Oh yeah. When they switched to new Coke, people were spending like preposterous amounts of money on a twr. This just like Liberi. It is. Oh my God. And we're sitting on a stop. How many do we Six. Okay two, two' done to two. Oh not even one for each of us. M This is horrible news Okay.. Oh, if you drink sparkling water, do you not have to pee as much? Sure. That was Toto's theory. It actually says phizier sparkling water contains dissolved carbon dioxide. This results in an acidic solution that may increase urinary urgency, irritate your bladder. your b. Our advice is to l me here and take of one of these to one glass a day Oh wow. I think well Toda's only drinking bubbly water. But look, if do I believe that what you just read or just looking at the man. whatever he's doing It's true, but we don't know about his peeing. Prove is in the pudding. That is true. Do you have any sparkling water? I don't want to wake up every night to just pee and wake up and then n I can't concentrate on the team I'm the cutest little boy ever made, W me jump, watch me play. Do you think he ever s? Thats different. Oh, okay. I said something out of school. I left it in. I want people to know. I know it was wrong. Whaty did you leave in So her grandfather was paralyzed number N Yeah from the waist down. And then he got in an accident broke his lekle or something And I said like, o, I mean, like It doesn't really matter or something But it does. then I looked it up. likeike if you're paralyzed and you break your leg, do you still have to do anything and you do It still requires medical treatment. I feel like maybe if there's no pain, it could just heal on its own. That's definitely the silver lining of getting a broken bra. you're paralyzed. Right. But it's not nothing. It's not nothing. But it's definitely less than if you're So you fully able bied. Yeah. The current