Closing Thoughts on Haunted Legacies

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Well, it's just an ongoing milieew of things that are equally interesting and I can see how they could have been actually life changing for our fndoent historian But you know, it's not, you know, with the polter guys where you open the door and things are spinning in the room Yeah When it's that level, then you have a problem. Yeah. It's time It's time to call someone. who are you going to call My point is that, you know, the house I grew up in Small things have happened throughout the years, but just a handful. Yeah, that were just slightly odd The story we're about to tell, even though you might consider it a quiet story in that yeah, there's no maybe a huge swirling a room of the children's toys. and clamping monkeys and and this and that. there's enough there where this is a lot more than what went on at my my house or yours. Yes, that's true. There's definitely something going on there that is out of the ordinary. And the story comes from a good friend of ourses, who we've known for years now actually, Jonathan Aady We had drinks, we we chatted a bit at Monster Fest and maybe shared some food and drinks, but we didn't get to talk enough because Apparently there's story he wanted to tell us, but you know, there's a lot of people coming up and we wanted to divide our time evenly between everybody. But yeah. so he's been sitting on this one for a bit And the storyies about the experiences that he had As a kid Let's just say it's an unusual house. like that's my point is like there's levels of how unusual things get. Mine are always You could usually explain them away as a, you know, okay, that's very strange, but maybe it was this In this case, I think it's one of those things where It can't be anything other than something Supernatural. Well, we're headed to North central West Virginia for this story. Taylor County, a small town called Grafton It's one of those towns that punches above its weight historically. Most folks don't know this, but Grafton is basically a child of the rear road The Baltimore and Ohio came through there in eighteen fifty two And the town more or less coalesced around that junction point. The name itself supposedly comes from Grafton on, where the branch line met the main line. But almost overnight, in the eighteen fifties, it becomes a major freight and passenger hub between Baltimore and the Ohio River Valley. And for us funnily enough The Baltimore, Ohio is the first railroad I ever really knew because when I was a kid, my one and only model train was a BNO, like HO scale. kindind of hits me in the chest to be talking about it tonight. Well, the BNO, yeah, you were talking about that. Also, it's like so many towns here in the United States in the early to mid nineteenth century where the railroad dictated the growth of a town. That's And it boomed if it was coming through there. and it was a major point of commerce A they dried up if that went away and the line got diverted. I mean, think about Stain. Joseph, Missouri. we often talk about that Yeah Be I don't think people nowadays unless you've studied your regional history there How important that hub was. That's right. That's right. And so storied. And so I got a little picture of of a railroad town. in the eighteen fifties or so and to the nineteen hundreds and Those memories and Energies don't seem to fade. Yeah, that's true. By the way, you know, speaking of Saint Joe, my son and I watched Paper Moon the other night and a good portion of it takes place in Saint Joe. So which I had forgotten. You know, you and I have been there and we talk about it a lot, but that was pretty wild to see it. It's such a beautiful movie, by the way, folks. if you've ever never seen Paper Moon, it's amazing. Oh, classic, classic. Well also cinema history, the youngest Oscar winner ever, Tata O'Neil That's one for that role And there is something though to these towns. and I think when Scott and I rolled in, comoming from Atison, we didn't know what to expect really. I was just excited. But I would not say that I had a My minds stuffed with images of ghosts and this and that, but when we roll through Saint Joe as affectionately known, there's a vibe. Yeah, it does. it has a feeling. It does have a feeling. Right. And in this case here, your imagination might be all you need. That's right. That's right. Now I was going to ask you though, your case here you know, being raised by a single mom What was your experience like? Because what I was asking you before we got on Mike is that there were some stories you had told me and I might have conflated some, but Was there anything odd or What was it the scenario like Growing up like that and if anything strange happened in any houses? Well, nothing paranormal. We were pretty broke. We did have like some brushes with scary people trying to break in the house and things like that. but they were very solid and real and alive So it gets saved by my black lab in that case, but Well, as we often say, yeah, the real monsters are human and a Yeah, yeah. So but you know, you know, the here's the other thing when I talked to you about that model train I had a little bit ago. The place that I had that train as a kid, it was just like an oval on a piece of four by eight. Yeah. like I said, my mom didn't have any money, but like That was in the house that I took you that we tried to find in Denver when we went to podcast movevement in twenty twenty three. I was making me drive all around town with me looking for where that house used to be. I knew would have been torn down, but I just wanted to get to where it was because it was it was a prominent memory for me as a kid. No, that was very cool. And if you remember, I think one of the neighbors there, we bought some backyard cultivated honey. Well, that was a different house. That was another house. Oh that's okay. Yes. This one I'm talking about the one that where we went and walked around on the empty lot Yeah. That's right. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. That was it's so strange to come back years later. and see things change. Yeah. the house you grew up in. it's maybe it's leveled It's now an Arby's where there. Well this one Yeah, this would still the Rry's. Yeah, the house behind the Rrb's, That's how I called it my mom and I called it that our whole lives. Although I looked it up today. this is just since twenty three. There was still an Arby's there. That's not an Rry's anymore. It's now a Taco star. Which I'm sure is delicious in its own right. But my mom had rented that house on an empty lot behind that what's now the Taco store. And that's where I had my train there. But anyyway, the real BNO, the one running through Grafton, West Virginia, that saw everything. coal moving east, timber moving east, soldiers moving in both directions. bothoth of West Virginia's national cemeteries are right there, which you'll hear Jonathan talk about tonight Grafton was a major Union supply depot during the Civil War. So there was a general military hospital on Walnut Street with thousands of wounded coming through there. and the first Union soldier killed in the war was reportedly shot near there in May of eighteen sixty one Then weirdly, in nineteen oh eight, the same little town became the birthplace of Mother's Day, which by the way, just passed as we're putting this episode out.. And decades after that, on a country road outside of town Grafton Monster shows up in nineteen sixty four. So there's a lot going on here in this little spot that you might not have heard of these days, a railroad junction, a war hospital, a national shrine to Motherhood, and a cryptid. Yeah. well, that might be a future episode here. Yeah, ye. I love monster stories growing up. And I was gonna say Yeah, there's definitely a vibe when Things that are very old at least for America here, North America and the United States There's a feeling when things change so much you realize how ephemeral it was It is from when you grew up, but it's also There's a feeling in a vibe when things don't change. That's right I said. You have so much of this history here Y And it's just it just permeated and that feeling or that historical residue or energy there, you can sense. And that's what I was talking about with Saint Joseph. It's still yeah, it's a modern town now and it's struggling a bit, but the houses are still there. Yeah. And there's definitely a feel to it. Yeah because some things have not changed Our friend Jonathan, you know, he's carried the story around for a long time before he sent this in as I was saying, and he that's one he wanted to tell us in person, but ran out of time. Yes. So we neveru got the chance. but tonight He gets his chance. So Please take it from the top Hello, Scottin Forest. This is Jonathan Aady. I met you both at Monster Fest and I've been wanting to share this story with you for a long time Scott, I remember wanting to talk to you the night after the festival was over, but you guys were both super busy with people that had come to see you there. Wellith that said, I figured this could be a good place to share this story I call this the House on one hundred nine, and if I'm being honest, this was going to be the first episode of a podcast I've wanted to start but just never got around to I grew up in a little town in West Virginia called Grafton To this day, I don't believe the population is much more than five thousand people, but it sure does have its history It has two national cemeteries, is home to the official Memorial Day Parade of West Virginia. and is home to Mother's Day and the Mother's Day Shrine While the railroad still runs through there today, it was once a hub and a center point between Ohio and Baltimore on the line My dad moved my sister and I there when we were young after my parents divorced and he took on a preaching role in the town at the local Church of Christ. He had met my now stepmother at the church who was also divorced and they decided to get married Before they did though, they would not live together, so she was in a house across town one hundred nine East Washington Street When they eventually married, we moved into that house, which had been in her family, and to say it was a strange place is an understate The stin started week The first incident I can recall was a night where she had called my dad in the middle of the night and asked him if he could come over because she had awakened to a man standing at the foot of her bed thought someone had broken in We didn't know it at the time, but this was just the beginning After we moved in, I never felt truly settled or at home in this house Most would have chalked that up to not living with my mom anymore and being in a new town, etcetera This place was just off These are just some highlights There was a room we called the Cld Rom Because the temperature, no matter what time of year, would suddenly drop at a moment's notice and would require a blanket to cover up in while playing video games Sometimes you could see your breath My step brother and I shared a room at the top of the steps and there were many nights we would wake up to the sound of footsteps going up and down There was a little girl I saw more than once playing in the house with a ball before just vanishing through another door at the end of the hall Lights would turn on and off as well as the radio. and my dog, who was a lap dog would walk slowly down the hall almost as if he was tiptoing and then start backing up and growling with his hair raised, only to run back into the living room to get back on my dad's lap Sometimes the basement door would slam and don't even get me started on the basement itself. It was terrifying Dirt floors and dirt walls and half the steps leading down to the bottom were missing I once even found a set of skeleton keys while digging them One of the house highlights was that it was only one of three homes at one point on Washington Street And George Washington had stayed in one of them, so the chances were pretty good My sister, my stepmother, both step brrothers and my cousin all had encounters there In fact, my cousin who lived in it for years as an adult, had come home from Iraq after serving and tells the story that the moment the activity began He just yelled throughout the house. Eough. been through war, shot at people and been shot at, and that now was not the time quuiet it down There's so much more to this story, but as a fan of the deead letters, I know there's not enough time to tell them all Do yourselves a favor and look at the house of Google Earth one hundred nine East Washington Street, Grafton, West Virginia And I feel you'll feel all the weird vibes just from seeing. The unexplained awaits will return to the shadows momentarily Astonishing Legends is brought to you by Progressive Insurance. Do you ever think about switching insurance companies to see if you could save some cash? Progressive makes it easy. Just drop in some details about yourself and see if you're eligible to save money when you bundle your home and auto policies. The process only takes minutes, and it could mean hundreds more in your pocket Visit progressive d. com after this episode to see if you could save. Progressive casualty insurance Company and affiliates. 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Yeah. come on. that's if you and I saw that we've been freaking out. It's like's that's like I said, if you saw that it's undeniable And's rubric. Yeah. Oh, well, there's twin girls, yes. Yes. So the idea though is that take it all together over a lifetime here And also the stepmothers seeing the guy over the bed. Yeah I'm already leaning towards aunted house. And I want to get out in front of one thing, I just want everyone to know and I talked extensively with Jonathan about this that we fully have permission to share this address of house. I believe it's family that still actually owns it. And they signed off on it too. They're going to be listening to this episode when it comes out. So Yes, that's important to note. and I would take Jonathan up on his urging to go look at that house because that really fills in the story. So we just looked at it here. You'd looked at it pretty Online that is. We're not saying everyone needs to get in a car, but No, no, don't certainly never go bother people unless you you have a good reason, perhaps, but Here if you look at the house from just from street view, It's a lovely little old house and U you never know what goes on inside these old places, but I often do this, I don't know about you Scot, but driving by, especially you know I've been with Jill and Roger driving by some of these locations to these famous haunted places in the Midwest And you just see regular houses and I get this feeling like haunted Not haunted, not haunted, haunted Mor activity Right, Right, right. Major activity there you know, you're just playing a game of like u of driving in the car, but You do get a sense quickly I've been trying to attune that and you know, there's activity in probably most every house. Wh not? There's spirits are everywhere if you believe in that. So Here looking at it though, it's like, you know, I could see that, but it's not totally creepy as my point. It's a lovely little house, of course showing its age a bit, but well maintained The yard looks nice And if you go down the street with street view, the one though on the corner, and it's got I think a faux brick exterior. Yes att least in the street view picture. M maybe it's maybe it looks different now, but Right. justust speculatively, that one's got more of a haunted house vibe to it. But I don't know. R I said, you're just guessing, but like that little bit spookier appearance But all in all, the neighborhood looks nice. It's older, obviously, but well kept and a lovely little town. I had heard of Grafton before I'm not sure in this West Virginia context, I'm sure there's other towns called Grafton as well. And as Craig T. Nelson says in Poltergeist, What could be wrong on a day like this? J you didn' the point being is you never really know what's going on, even though it seems sunny. so Yeah, getting back to the story here, you had done a little bit of digging on the history. Yeah So we have a timeline of things that happened here to refer to, but Talk about the historical nature of that area. It's very old, right? according to American Stards. Yeah, it's really interesting. And I wanted to look up about, you the George Washington part of it because Jonathan and I we actually had a phone call. I don't usually get to call people about this, but you know, he and I text a couple times a year anyway I had asked him, you know, I said, Hey, we're finally recording this. so we talked a little bit about it. And he did say, well, you know, the rumor was that George Washington stayed in one of the houses on our street. I think he said one of three, and they had reason to believe it might have been this one. But one of the things that we found in our research, which I thought was interesting is that the land where Grafton was built was originally apparently a thirteen hundred acre tract that settler James Current acquired in trade for a horse and Kurrent at that time hired nineteen year old George Washington as his surveyor. And this was in the seventeen fifties. and Washington genuinely surveyed the ground Grafton now sits on. Yeah. So it's hard to know if he spent the night in one of these houses, but it's like a's Verified hard claim of Washington's presence in town, which is super cool. That's very, very cool. Well, you gotta figure you ever done this? You've been on a road trip and you stay like a small motel? Yes or hotel. You're way out in the sticks in the middle of nowhere you think and then you might be down having a breakfast in the little the nook there. Yeah and a bunch of crew guys come in and you're like, Oh, that's right. What are they doing? It's like, Well, they're working on the power transmission lines or pheses or or this and that orr they're doing surveying or land kind of management And you have to realize like, well, they don't live here in this little town. They're from a bigger area, but they have to do work here. so they have to stay somewhere. Right. so right You can't drive two hundred miles back home after work every day. So They come and stay at the local motel and I'm figuring it's possible, George Washington while surveying there notot being his home, maybe he did stay at that house. So I'm figuring George Washington may have slept there as those signs say, you know, like with historical buildings and that ye, he may have had a short residency there in the area and maybe even in that neighborhood because those houses on the street or in that track tear Or some of the first houses in the area, right? From what I can tell, it seems like the house might have been around nineteen hundred. I'm actually not sure about that, but If that was the case, the other thing to remember is that the Grafton National Cemetery has over tw thousandelve hundred civil W deads. So there's a high collection of war related deaths there. and there was a lot going on even forty years before this particular structure might have been built in the area. So I would definitely call it haunted territory. The other thing I thought was really wild was that we mentioned in the Cold openpen was in nineteen sixty four The grafted monster, this I guess the paper reported, a reporter named Robert Cockroll encountered a roughly nine foot headless smooth skinned humanoid along iverside dririve by the Tigrt Valley River In June of ' sixty four, search parties and armed teenagers went out and looked for it. But it's since then been embraced by the town. I guess there's a grafted Monster festival muse That's where I may have heard it. Yeah. Yes, and a cameo in Fallout seventy six. So Oh that's pretty that's pretty cool. It's nice to be remembered, isn't it? Yes. if you're acially when you're a headless monster, you know, Yeah, that's fascinating. I love the different aspects of Yeah, just just the just the details of something like that where Yeah, of course, a nine foot, ten foot tall humanoid smooth skin kind of thing is weird But then it's headless. You know, it's like there's an extter twist to the to the story and here it it's well then that's kind of nothing new. I think God, was it wasas it Marco Polo? There was somebody some explorer One, he, you know, he reported coming across dogmen They spoke Oh That's right. But in gun roll kind of thing It's just like, okay we're going believe everything else Marco Polo said, but ye that that's a little nuts So just strange things pop up, but one is the legend of Men that had no head popping up, but they had kind of a face. in their chest that they saw and spoke from. That's right. You've mentioned that before and I'm always like, yeah, what is that of course you always wonder, okay, was this an elaborate costume or dress of some kind? Right. It's hard to pull just were used to seeing Yeah the headless Halloween gag that your sonon did. your head falls into your hands with the Halloween costume gag, but In this case, yeah, there's a lot of death and injury and pain and suffering and everything a town goes through a little bit more with graftting here. Maybe it is one of those vortex places where the veil is a little bit thinner than other places And people have congregated that. It's a little bit of history. But as we know also, a house doesn't have to be really old to be haunted or have a lot of activity. There has to be other factors there. So yeah, like the bedside man appearing That was before the family moved in. The stepmother saw that That's what called, you know, Jonathan's father over in the middle of the night to contend with And so yeah, I would guess that there's always been activity in that house. and then you have a lot of human live activity, which seems to be a catalyst and kick up the supernatural activity. Yeah, because yeah, why not? They're thriving. When no one's there, it's empty. It's like you're just kind of wandering around and waiting for the party to start. And then Oh now there's young people here. They're playing these weird Electronic games in the magic glass box, the the lantern box And it's so much fun. And so yeah, you're obviously kicking up a lot of activity here and a lot of different witnesses to this one too, like the little girl with the ball. She was seen on more than one occasion by other folks and also vanishing through a door. Yeah. Like I said, that's the ones that's kind of undeniable. You can explain away footfalls and Other strange things, even like the door slamming. It's the wind. Well, there's a window open, the wind blew it closed and There's another one of these and we've come across this before, it's a whole chicken and the egg thing that I did want to mention about this because there is a famous late folklorist named Ruth Anne Music in US ICK. And she has a famous book called The Telltale Llac Bush. And apparently this was required reading in a lot of West Virginia fifth grade classrooms And it establishes a regional convention of these types of hauntings, especially involving children's apparitions and benevolent or stuck spirits. And that it's just part of mountain state stororytelling, which of course you can imagine is connected to Appalachian folklore and all of these things. It'stwined. Yes, exactly There's all that stuff. So of course, I wanted to ask Jonathan. I was like, hey, maybe you were young, this book influence you. I said I texted him yesterday and I said, hey, without looking it up, have you heard of this book? Yeah? And he goes, Yeahah, oh yeah, I know that book. And I said, it's listed as a common childhood influence for kids from that area. Do you feel like it might have influenced your perception of things going on in the house And he came back and said, I read that book way after this all happened. He said that house changed my life forever.. He goes, it's the reason I became interested in the strange The things I experience there will live with me forever. So This is a case which I thought was interesting because then we have the folklore and Ruth andne Music capturing this and publishing this book that becomes part of the local cultural zeitgeist as it relates to ghosts and everything And the question has to be, do real events? Is there a reason the folklore exist? Is it because yeah, this is happening because it certainly seems like it's happening in the House on one hundred and nine on R Washington. So I thought that was really interesting. He was like, yeah, no, I know that book, but I didn't read it until much later because he legit. and that's part of the reason we saw him at Monster Fest. Like a lot of people that reach out to us and a lot of you listeners that are sending us stories in the dead letter offffice The reason you found our show in the first place is because something happened to you at point in your life. And for a lot of folks, it's not just that something happened. It's like, oh, I'm going to spend the rest of my life trying to figure out if this was real, Am I crazy or has this happened to other people? How much I want to study this and understand it better which I think is part of the reason that Jonathan came over to the Astonishing Legends Fold as did a lot of you listeners So I thought that was really interesting Yeah, it's like any other and human endeavor, I would suppose you get influenced by your own experiences. It's like my My orthopedic surgeon one time said, Well, how'd you get into orthopedic surgery? He's said, Well, because I was in medical school, didn't know what to take and then I was on a skiing trip My ankles. R It might have been compound foracty. He said that got me interested. Like that's is I going to fix myself And so you kind of want to fix yourself with this. It's like, I need to know what's going on here. I want to get some answers or at least understand it better and it leads to an interest. And then other folks, it's like, I don't want to know anything about this. This didn't happen. I don't care what you show me. I'm going to continue to deny it because I can't handle this. I don't want to handle this I don't of time And so that's one way to react. Yeah, and speaking of that, that's a good segue into something I wanted to touch on that I thought was really interesting too. And that was with his cousin, the combat veteran who had been in Iraq and had like just a whole different assessment of threats And also what it takes to stop them and just yelling enough and then things Calm down, just like And that pushback thing, that's something that we've talked about before, not today, not now, that story you tell about the person' just like, please, I'm hung over or whatever go away There's a couple of those It's weird. There's a lot of stories where that seems to have an effect, whether it's a commanding firm stop, you know or you go to the exorcism rights and it's like, you will leave this house or, you know, or whatever else. It's weird that that stuff seems to work. I don't know what that implies if you believe any of this all. I don't know what that implies about what you're interacting with. And why does it seem like, you know, what is this bad? I'm out. Sorry, sorry. I'll come back later, you know, kind of thing. That's interesting. Yeah, you're right. And a couple of thoughts on this. One This is one of the most pervasive concepts that we've come across and everyone has who studies this and it seems obvious at this point, but there is definitely, in my view And my belief is that they're is an interaction here which requires your permission and participation And that a lot of this is people that look, this stuff happens to people who didn't ask for it. obviously. you know, they didn't know anything about this. they don't care about this genre And yet they saw something But there is an exchange of energies bit of consciousness, if you will, and that requires when you let something in And that permission can be kind of tacit or declarative. And you say, okay, show me what you got. Same thing with the UFO experience. So many people say like I went outside and I tryed to do some of the ESTD protocols and I said, show me something, showow me that you exist Put on a show for me. I welcome you to this and then something will happen with orbs in the sky right. You are welcome this in A lot of people, that summoning stuff, it's like I've read obviously because of what we do. A lot of people do summoning particularly with UAP And I just am not sure every now and then I'll go outside and walk the dog, but it's very half hearted. Yeah be like if you' if you're up there go ahead. You know what? donon't worry about it. Be I'm just like having crossed paths with things. I'm not convinced I wanted to come like it's let it go to the other people. They can take a picture, send it to me and I'll take a look at it because I am very much in the be careful what you wish for camp when you're doing an investigation into UAP, NHI or the paranormal other kinds of, you know, ghosts and that sort of. Yeah. That's my point. There is a little bit like once you get past the oh, I have to prove this is real And you know, it's like I can remember there's a podcastter who says ghost hunting is fun until the ghosts show up kind of thing. Yeah. Well, that's right. No, I mean, there's there's levels to that, you want to see some activity then people go too far especially with things with certain haunted houses where they try to use spells and potions and whatnot to trap spirits in so they can get more evidence. And you're playing with fire in a sense because I do believe in the spooky action at a distance and entanglement and the quantum level where that stuff follows you home and you've allowed it to and thing with the UAP and like I said, there is that overall connection to everything, I believe in some fashion, even if it's many steps down from the initial interaction But you are welcoming this and inviting it. and then It happens and it's like, okay, you and I gotot no that could be troublesome because of what's happened to other folks that have had this experience It's not great. You're not going to get superpowers Some people claim to have been more psychic in a way, prescient you have certain abilities opened up perhaps, but Yeah, you're not going to become part of the Marvel comic universe. So Right, right. Well in the case of like, you know, skinwalkers at the Pentagon, what you're going to have like when you call an orb and it passes through your body is like chronic pain in your shoulder for the rest of your life where it went through you or wh. Now there's another theory that ties in with this that I've heard I've discussed with Roger Pickleton as well because we talk about like that's the old trope, right? The cold room Even in the sixth cense, you can see your breath it's so cold suddenly veryer well done in that movie to illustrate that the ye the condensation on the doorknob the breath coming out of your mouth and that may be attributed to an opening up of some kind of portal or passage between dimensions or realms where there's also a burst of gamma radiation. There's something that affects temperature for one, and the other one, that there's actually an energetic burst that affects you mayaybe not intentionally by the other entities or whatever, but it comes with the experience And that you get a dose of something or something passes through your body and now you have health effects that are often like radiation effects. I mean, look at Travis Taylor on a skkinwalker ranch and He got dosed when opening up, with that concrete slab that had some very stagnant water in it And that's reading really high. he gets dosed They come back later, nothing No Gregar C reading anything. It's transient. Right. So that's very strange. So this thing's floating around and maybe has some consciousness to it, perhaps But the other thing I was could to talk about as far as this exchange of permission and interaction where you choose to interact with it, you can also tryry your best to deny it. And so people have written to us over the years. It's like, how do I get this to stop? And we always say because this is what others have told us, it's like one If you really want this to stop You have to really want this to stop because it's about intention as well. And then a lot of times people will say like, well, this is still going on. You know, what do I do? You know, I say, did you talk to somebody? Did you actually take the steps they recommended? And they're like, well, not not really I don't if I believe in that st. We don't believe in that stuff, but you believe that something's happening That's suuperat actually weird. And then there's also a weird thing. I think the fellows from West Virginia paranormal investigative team, I think they were telling us There's that one case we did cover We mentioned it that they were on And they had mentioned either directly to us in her postes years ago. how they were investigating this woman's house and had a ton of activity and they were doing everything they could as far as procedures and ceremonies and this and that. to get rid of it And She then called them back after a couple weeks. It's like, yeah, it's back all this activity Like, okay, we'll come by again, you know, the courtesy of their own free time And they get there and they notice that she still had the Ouija board under the couch. Right like, Hey, I told you to get rid of this said, Well, yeah, but you know, it's really interesting and I really like She's lonely. That's a thing. And that's also why she's having to come over so much is that she wants the company and the interaction, even though it's scaring her. and this and that. She's not willing to take the steps to say That's enough Like the cousin did in our story here. So the other thing I was going to mention is that combat veterans senses may be very heightened. I think that's generally the case with anybody that's been under fire In combat situations where it's very stressful, your senses get heightened and unfortunately that leads to PTSD a lot of the time where it's part of it.ure But I talk about my own cousin, my cousin's husband who was formerly a EOD specialist exple sorry. in EOD specialist, which is an explosive ordinance disposal expert and basically, yeah, he's the hurt locker guy for the Navy. Right. So he went through buds and all that, basic underwater demolition slash seals And I asked him after, you know, he came back, Do you notice anything changing with your behavior here that you're back in the states and And I was't asking about PTSD because oh yeah, he said one thing you notice is that I'll just be driving around like on the freeway. and we go under an underpass and I'm looking for the corners and the spots where an IED an improvised explosive device would most likely be hidden Yeah says, Yeah, you're're hiding. it's just like okay, that would be a great place to hide a ball. And so yeah, as you're, as you said here, you know, the nervous system, it's been calibrated to that threshold level And so you make that demand and often we hear that too is that whatever's causing this will heed that a bit. likeike, oh, okay, I guess he's upset. Sorry. we were just kind of having a little fun here. But you have some control in this and when people ask us what they can do, I always try to emphasize that fact is that you are a part of this player here You don't have to be the passive victim. You have some control over this if you want and you have to state your attention And you have to believe it most of all It's just like the the priest and the vampire Kurt Barlow in Salem's lot He's a priest, but he had lost his faith. and then it's useless Yeah, and this though, I like that fact. it's like, okay, that's stop it. That's enough. G me some peace and quiet here and it seemed to work. It doesn't get rid of it completely, but I think you can quiet it down. muchuch like noisy neighbors like the ones I had. I would bang on the ceiling repeatedly and it would quiet down And then the next couple of nights around the weekend, it would start back up again. And here's another thing I wonder. I wonder if the overall package of this in terms of the home is just its own thing. Like if it takes on, it becomes almost a kind of organism and. It's like it's the little girl, it's the doors It's a combination of events that really are just different glimpses of one larger thing that's all interconnected for whatever reason. because the other thing about this is it feels very much like echoes from the past, maybe a little less interactive in such more you know, like this is this is me. I'm your house, this is what I do. Totally down with that. No, I agree and it maybe think of the alien creature and the thing where it's a conglomeration. That's really one organism, but is it tied in? Is there a bunch of different organisms there and it can split off. it can morph into whatever. it can mimic It has all these capabilities, but it's kind of collectively one species or one organism, but maybe made up of different things Much like I said in the sludgeinity case several entities bound together by a more powerful one or some binding agent That's keeping this all a separate points of energy and consciousness bound together acting as one kind of thing throughout this house and this one location So I like that conent But the skeleton keys. Oh, I wish I could find what that would fit to because you know, that's another part of the story. like the other DLO we just read that attic That weird attic space that had the resin in the keyhole to maybe keep something in or out or not have a key go into it again Yeah. So yeah, skeleton keys always a great trope in any anyw. My great grandparents house, I remember that there were keys all over that house. there I think I still have somewhere that were skeleton keys Yeah, I mean, there's the sort of generic mundane stuff here. if we brought, you know, we brought our skeptics in to take a look at this, you know, people are going to say, well, West Virginia has a lot of radon, which is true. Radon is elevated there. I don't know if they have radon detectors in this home But I have mixed feelings about that. I think it definitely can be a problem, but also I think old homes are kind of drafty. So I don't know how effective they are at capturing Rayadon, but it's definitely a concern. and that can cause, you know, that can cause hallucinations and stuff like that. rare case That's the other thing. Rre cas Rre cases. And I think in all of our years of getting stories where people did try to check for Radon, there was only one story. where it seemed like it was it was a possibility of causing an issue. and then all the rest, like if no, we checked for it, there was none. So yeah, that's an interesting thing there. course the person at the foot of the bed That's a classic hypnopopic situation like sleep paralysis, which we've talked about ad nausea and numal episodes of the main show, the old Hag and All of that kind of thing, you know, and that's where you wake up and you see something. We have a lot of stories like that where people are seeing things that but in some cases, the people weren't asleep So ye that's the other part of that. It's it's hard to imagine that there's not more to that than just some chemical side effect of being a human being because there's just so many of those stories. so many of them. The other thing too is that okay, so then it is it's Radon, you know, but does that cause the same hallucination and everybody of the Yeah And does everyone see the same thing? No Absolutely not. Yeah. ye. goodood point. If it is causing specifically an old lady to crawl up your bed Why is that? You know, like what is going on there with radon in the human brain? That should be studied and you know, it's fanscated. but ye. But yeah, what I'm saying is in context here of all the family members, everybody seeing stuff, even the dog like, well, the dog's being affected by old wiring tricking its brain with the radon adult dog brain. Yeah. And it's like, okay, but allog together is that are there other physical medical side effects, which you would think. if you're to that point where everyone's hallucinating. Yeah, it should be causing other physical symptoms Yeah. And we don't know that for a fact, but like yeah, I don't think that explains away everything. No. And the other thing I think is interesting is a lot of the stuff that's going on here. I mean, it's an old home and it's an old town and all of that stuff. It's very classic sort of elements of haunting. and there's a lot of things that have common ground with our our Bell Witch series, which we did episodes eighty five through eighty eight many years ago You know, the apparitions of children, the dog reacting, the escalating phenomena, the stuff that's going on there There is some common ground there that's that's a little bit strange to me. you know, there was not a verbal back and forth communication like there was with the Bell witch. That was a very exceptionally intense situation. Yeah. But you know, Betsy Bell said she saw a girl in a green dress swinging from an oak limb on the property. During that. There's other cases that had common ground here, The Infield Poltergeist in the UK, nineteen seventy seven, the Sirl haunting which I don't think we've covered in Pennsylvania in the eightyies So there's just a lot of sort of revenant ideas where the deceased are coming back to play for lack of a better word I liked your idea earlier that there's a confluence of a bunch of different things happening. likeike said Did the little girl die in the Civil War? I don't know. But it could be something separate that's just, you know, that house has burnnt around so long. it's collected suupernatural dust bunnies under the bed and that now they're all kind of gathered together into this one thing that is active in this house, but yeah, civil War influence, past residents The little girl, the guy at the foot of the bed, there's a lot going on there. you know what other little girl Is in a haunted house? Oh yes. Get your shot glass out. Sally shot glass Sally. That's showour. There you go. Yeah, it's such a common thing and why is that? It's the image of the little girl. And so that's the other thing over the years anyyone who's researched this genre, this field We'll say is like, yeah, there's very common things. Baby cries out in the wilderness where no one's rare Right Little girls playing with a ball or in old fashioned dresses Young women wearing white gowns It's such a common thing, the lady in white, like why are these tropes so common? And like I said, if people are saying like, well, that's just an activity of the human brain under certain stressful situations and you've been front loaded to imagine this and it's just your imagination It's like, why are then are those tropes so common? Can you just chalk that down to pop culture and things we see in literature. Well, I think it's a bit much for that.