The Truth About Horse Fingers

Alice is my best friend. I am not Alice's best friend . I get that thing where your legs clog loads and you have to lie on the bed. Do you have that? I think that might be a medical problem. Can you not? Do that please? It's annoying, isn't it? Yeah , what's your new podcast about? None of business but it's a weird thing where in twenty twenty six, the Year of our Lord Shuga , that everyone's like, Oh yeah, it's that book is it. What's that about? Just read the book. Read it. Fucking read it. What's your podcast about? Well, why don't you have a listen? We don't know yet. Not everything has to have a very specific format, and that's fine. We sound aggie. You sound aggie, I sound charming, but by the end of the episode, surely we'll know, you don't? That's the plan. By the end of the first episode of Bad Chat, which you're all very welcome to, by the way , we will have worked out the show together. I think if you get to the end of the episode right to the end and you still don't know what it's about, then you've got grounds for complaint for sure. All just grounds to not listen, and just let us get on with it because there will be people that will like it. It's not for everybody. And look, we've never worked together before. That's exciting for me. I don't know if it's the same for you . Yeah, gorgea . You cow. You absolutely you piece of work. You absolutely scum. No, no, exciting. Alice is my best friend. I am not Alice's best friend. I've wanted to work with her for a long time. I've been a fan of hers for a while. We bonded over, liking lots of the same funny things . She makes me laugh so much. I think she's amazing. She's a podcast legend. The fairy pod mother of popcast. And okay, we want to do something together. Please . And we love we've loved podcasts for a long time, right? We love we listened to podcasts when we were kids when no one else was listening to podcasts. We were listening to podcasts as kids. We made them a thing. Okay, so if you listen to podcasts it's because of us. All right. No, we did listen to stuff. Java's merchant Pilkington , Adam and Joe , podcasts are supposed to be weird little clubs. They have turned into big money spinners, not to say this couldn't become a money spinner. We'd love that with it. Let's not worry about that. Check out the highest earners. It's very easy to find. I don't need this to be a hit. Yeah, exactly. That's all I'm saying. So for a truer word spoken in jest. He doesn't. I just want to have a nice time. Mortgage is sorted. He does not need this. I just want to have a nice time with my best friend that doesn't think that I'm her best friend. Dop saying best friend, it's so disgusting when adults say best friend with all due respect. But this is supposed to be a weird little club and we're all gonna work it out together. If you're listening to episode one, or watching, 'cause we know very forward thinking. Where's my camera? Where's mine? I know exactly where it is. We're all gonna it's a voyage of discovery. And I think the important thing is that we're joining this movement and I think of podcasting as a movement at just the right time . A lot of people would say we've missed the vote. A lot of people would say we're in the fourth or fifth wave of podcasting and actually everybody has one. I would say to them , how is that possible when we don't have one? Right. Now we do. So let's see where it goes. Question for you? Please, which I almost definitely know you don't have the answer to. Why is it called bad chat? Do you remember why? It was about two years ago, probably now? I don't, but it's I'm hoping it's a lot like no one is now going Oh Arctic monkeys weird name ? Yeah, so true, so true. So we just need to give it eleven years and people are like doesn't mean anything anymore semantic asso orciation whatever it's called. Yes. It's also because when we were thinking about the name , we were like, Oh , what about just something simple like Alice and Greg ? Except that sounds like it's a podcast by a woman called Alison Greg , who to me sounds like she's a PhD. You know, she's a doctor. She's eminent. Oh my goodness, she is pre eminent . She is definitely I think she's not maybe she's not in the arts, maybe she's in a kind of sociology, psychology, like she's women's. I'll tell you exactly where she is. doctor Allison . I've actually found her,, great o.kay doctor Allison Greg. Is she part of an institute? Putting people first in mental health This is basically what I guessed. Okay, biography. Dr. Allison Greg . PhD is a second year post doctoral clinician, fellow in the neuropsychology department. Okay, so to be clear, this is the confusion we were trying to avoid. Right. Because can you imagine who would tune in for Allison's pod and who would tune in for this? Not saying no crossover, just saying minimal crossover. I'm booking it, you know that at some point. If I don't see it by episode four, I'm livid. Okay, episode four, I will bring you Dr. Alison Greg. So that's why it's not called the Alison Greg Show. Yes because that is the end of the doctor Greg. And you know, but we want it to be a sort of whatever. We'll see how it goes. Yeah, as a guiding light , I guess we want your confessions , your obsessions, the things that are taking up your brain space, are swelling around your head at night are consuming you because they're annoying or confusing or just because they're kind of fascinating, maybe you want to tell us something or ask us something. Yeah , social awkwardnesses , dating issues, just stuff. Like what grievances? A celebration of how odd we all are as humans and also a I love mundane story. Oh yeah, I don't want your best story . I don't want the one that you've practiced and that you, you know, tell to new people on first dates and stuff. I want the thing that happened last Tuesday that's still echoing around in your head. In fact, my friend calls them echoers, the things that you can't shake. We want you echoes. We want you echoes. And we'll celebrate you or mock you. And that's fine or both. There's no guarantees that this is a safe space because in this friendship, let me tell you, Alice celebrates me fifteen percent of the time and the rest of the time is mockery. Oh my god I can't celebrate every time you let you jump on a bike and poole around the home counties can I? Well, it was Waymou Ethdinburgh, it was more than home counties . But if you want to get in touch and share all that stuff with us, socials. You should be subscribing anyway to YouTube on the podcast feeds, whatever. Email hello at badchatclub. com. We've got WhatsApp, we've got Fax, we've got it's all in the show things. In the notes. In the notes, yeah. Find it in the notes . And we've sort of put the opportunity out to the community. Yeah. And it is a community. And it is a community, my God. We can all rely on each other. How many makes a community? I think three. Three's alright, yeah. Isn't that a family? And it is a family. But this week, we've put it out there that people can be the first caller on this very show. I think that's exciting. What's really cool about that is whoever this caller is represents one hundred percent of what we know about who listens to this show . Oh, so it's a great focus group. Yeah, it's market research except we have a data point of one . So I'd just love to know who's out there . Okay , coming through now is caller number one . Hello, hi, it's Rosa Lee. Rosalie , you have the honour , and it is an honor, of being the first ever caller on the brand new Alice Levine, Greg James Vehicle, the podcast, Bad Chat . Oh my God. I am on it. We do actually have some questions for you here, Rosalie. They're just sort of standard questionnaire questions just to kind of get an idea of the demographic, just to profile you basically because as we say you represent everybody. So if you don't mind, we'll just get to that. I'm ready. Great. Great. When do you bathe in the day, Rosalie? When do I bathe? When do I bathe? In the day, I know, I haven't been bathing a lot recently. But if I could bathe, I'd bathe like three times a day. I think Alice is, I think, using the word bathe, but I think you just mean wash. Clean yourself. But you've not been doing it much recently. That's good to know. So our listeners are filthy I think Rosalie just thought bath I think I thought like Victorian am I soaking? Am I doing like a full isn't the full thing. Maybe thing I'd say like I have like two showers a day. Sometimes I have showers in the middle of the day. So our listeners are unemployed because how else are you having a shower in the middle of the day? Showering from home. You're a bath girl, don't I you? am a bath girl . Yeah, but I don't have one every day. Obviously that would be insane to have one every day. Question, 'cause you like a bath. I think I like a bath and I have a bath and then I get that thing where your legs throb loads and you have to lie on the bed. Do you have that? I think that might be a medical problem . Is that a DVT? It might be that might be water retention. Oh, in the bath and within your skin . But you know when all of your like veins and all of the tubes expand 'cause you're so hot . Again, I do think just a break from the fun of the moment, I think that does need to be checked by medicine. No, you don't mean that. You don't mean that. You definitely lie on your towel on the bed . To do what? To cool down 'cause you feel so dizzy. You're having the bath too hot. Rosalie, back me up here . I don't, I can't do that . Cut her off, cut off . Right. Okay. So for some reason you,'ve got like a vendetta against me, I don't know if you've called the show if you just want to drag me down. Well, Rosalie, okay, so we're finding out more about Alice here and I want to find out bit more about you. So next question for Rosalie, please. Okay , I was wondering R,osalie, what size feet you have ? Thank you so much for asking. I'm a size forty European. Oh, forty European, get you . I have all my shoes made in Italy . Yeah, I grew up in Europe, so I've never really fully converted. I mean, I've got as probably . Not to brag, but we all grew up in Europe No That's true. We're broadcasting from Europe . Yeah , that's true, not anymore. But whereabouts on the continent did you grow up? You grew up in Shengo? I grew up . I grew up in Holland. In Holland, okay? In the Netherlands. So you're a forty European clog is what you talk about. That's what I was talking about. Is shoe size different to clog size I would say so . I wish I had I actually do have a pair of a pair of clogs, but I think I couldn't possibly tell you how big they are. Do you size up in a clog ? I think you size . I think you size up in a clog. Yeah. An insol's doing you no good in a clog, is it? Okay, this is interesting. This is asked more questions than it's answered. Yeah. Forty Europeans grew up in Europe from Clog size forty. Jewel nationality there. Can we get other issues by the way, can we get if anyone does wear clogs, send us your clog size and send us your real size ? Go on. So you grew up in Holland? Yeah, is that is that two passports there? Yeah, I'm afraid so I'm afraid so you say not exactly not to brag, but yeah, I'm afraid so does that mean you can use you can use the non UK passport line? Yeah . Those people are so smart now. Be a patron. He wants in your life, Jesus. Have you ever gone through customs wearing clogs? Has anyone? I haven't, but I have to say I will. I will be leaving the country in my clogs . Can I just sidebar with you? Greg? Are we being racist? Why clogs? Xenophobic. Can we say that? Can we just say that all the Dutch work clsog? Is that all right? I think Dutch people have a pair of clogs, don't they? I would. Dutch. Is this going out in the Netherlands? Can we get away with it? I'd love to I want our Dutch brothers and sisters to tell us. Is it brothers and sisters . I'm Claude James. Oh good. On behalf of Order Dutch, I think it's probably fine. You think it's fine. Yeah, you're endorsing it. Great. , sorry, just have to whiz through these if that's all right, Rosalie. So got your bathing time, got your shoes, size. Your dad's first name. Gary Now that tracks your mother's maiden name the street you grew up on and your pet's name and then we're done my mother's maiden name way don't worry we don't have what is your sort code begin with? Well, that's good. Actually, you know what, Alice, let's just break away from a second. That does show that our listener does trust us. Yep. They were willing to share basically all the details to hack into their bank account. Our listeners are thick with all due respect . But thick and loyal. Thick and loyal and charitable. Okay, Rosalie, great. Just so we get a sense of little Rosalie . What was on your wall in your bedroom? What posters? Lots of one direction fortunately , lots of pictures of horses , which is also cartoon horses or real horse like were they were they specific famous horses that raced or in movies or were they were like red rock? All horses, any horse Also had a phobia of horses as well, which was weird. Yeah, weird. What do you mean? Sorry, break that down for me because that's unhinged. So I was really scared of them, but I also sort of loved them as I had all of these pictures up but, I just I couldn't, if I was in the same vicinity of a horse, I'd freak out . But yeah, I think you know, I think it was more just that I wanted to be like a princess and therefore I thought that I couldn't have a picture that really safe . That's the way to do it. I'm just typing into my chosen search engine . One direction horses. I wonder if they ever have they ever been photographed on a horse? There's got to be fanfiction too. Harry Styles on a horse in one of his videos. Have you ever fantasized about Zane doing dressage ? It's none of my business really, but it's not on the form to be clear . I haven't but I think I think we all will tonight. Am I right ? Have you got a favorite one direction I always liked Carrie, but it was mainly just that I think I just like I got swept up into the manure of it all. I've always been scared that I was going to end up in one of those like really scary one direction fan documentaries still time there's still time there's always a take that document where the super fans are now fully functioning members of society, but still as obsessed. Completely obsessed, but they still got horses in one direction on their bedroom wall, but they're married to like a gu toy who's like, yeah, well, it's just part of our marriage. You know, you know, you got to love someone for who they are. And this person's got like an effigy of Gary Barlow in the corner of the room . That could be you one day. I'm just thinking about them going to Rosie's though and they're like okay we want to film the bedroom with all the posters up and then they have to kind of frame out the horse section. They're like we need to make you seem like a freak in what of one particular flavour. We can't also have all the horse ones . And when Greg said, Who's your favorite, I thought you meant horse. Did you have a favourite horse as well? That's a great question. Thank you so much for asking. It was. I like that that film about the horse that couldn't speak? It was called That's all horses, Rosalie. No, . It was like a cartoon of a horse. You like the one about the horse that doesn't talk? Okay. Well, I'll look for that. What's the horse? It was not horse . Do you mean warhorse, Rosalie? Have you seen Warhorse on the west end? . So I was in Warhorse on the west end. What do you mean? Wow . So there was a point in my career if you can call it that, when a large portion of my time was taken up doing PBC fight size videos where I like was sort of a fun big sister that would like help you with your vision . And one of them was for GCSE drama and I was in Warhorse as a nurse , but I was really bad because I couldn't work out how southern people said gas mask. So I kept saying gas mask and we had to keep redoing it because southerners don't say gas mask it turns out there I am. The fantastic news is I've managed to find it , so I'm going to play this now . I'm Alice Levine and I'm most definitely not an actress , but I've been asked to perform for One Night Only in War . One night only then. I have no idea what I'm doing . So I have to learn everything I can before I take to the stage. On my own. For those listening , Greg is scrubbing through the video of me learning how to become an actor in Warhorse for one night only, famously for one night only in the credits for the show. I'm doing one of those things that people do in a cast where they all put their hands in , you know, like a spirit circle and then go way except I'm the only one that did it and everybody stood really still around me. This is very exciting that you were in Warhorse though. God look at me. I look incredible. So I'm wearing the kind of classic head scarf nur,se , wartime nurse, ensemble. So this is you on stage now. What do you mean by your reply, corporal? Oh, what's my line again? You had actual lines in this? Yes, yes. That's why I had to say gas mask. Is this because that actor was on holiday for a week? No no, they probably just didn't get paid that night. They had to sit in the wings. Where was your? Oh where was your gas mask? I found gas mask . Did I do it right ? You're not nailing it because you're overthinking it aren't you? Thinking it Yeah. Where is your gas mask? Where is your gas mask? Where's your gas mask? Also 'cause I had to be a kind of like, you know, what? A nurse in the wall like sort of you're trying to do a voice? Trying to do a voice, yeah. Rosalie, I mean, an extraordinary discovery. What I'll do for you because obviously we were watching that in the studio, what I will do for you Rosalie is I will send you that . And I would imagine after the eight week course, you will be able to sit your GC. So please do let us know how you get on. Thank you . How did we even get on to war horse? Does her fear of horses? Fear of horses, posters on the wall. Favorite horse, favorite horse, h woralkse, walk horse . And that's how you do it. That feels like a game show, doesn't it? So there you go . That to answer everyone's question, that's what the podcast's about. Rosalie, it's been so nice chatting to you. Thank you so much for just being fun and saying stuff and then letting us just go slowly mad. And being our first caller, if we had the budget, we would now have probably a kind of confetti cannon or some sort of firework display. But all we can actually do offer you free tickets to the next performance of Warhorse. Thanks to our good friends at Cameron McNosh Incorporated. Thank you. Bye . Keep clogging. On the horse front, last thing. thing . I learnt a mad fact about horses yesterday. Okay . Do you know that horses legs are their fingers ? What do you what do you mean by that? What do you mean ? Well , you mean the back legs are its legs and the front legs are its arms? No, all of them are fingers. I think it's actually the back ones that are fingers. Evolutionarily. Right. It doesn't feel right, does it? They are fingers and the hoof is a fingernail. Okay . Google it. Tell me what we see. What have you been listening to? Did you read an article or did you watch a video ? Basically, I was with my friend who's a doctor and he very casually said not a vet. Right. He very casually said their legs are fingers . Modern horses essentially walk on a single highly specialized digit per limb . The hoof, which is structurally analogous to a human middle finger. Thank you. So it's this one. The leg bones are equivalent to the middle finger of human, the structure allows for extreme speed and efficiency. So they're running on their fingers. They're running on these fingers . Middle fingers. Middle fingers. There's something in that. I don't know what to do with it myself, but I should have told Rosalie that. I know she'd love that. That would have made things way less scary . It's basically because I was watching, oh, this is too much information, but it's 'cause at the moment, the thing that I'm really into is these videos of people scraping horse hooves until they get to a kind of cavity and then they scrape out the puss from the cavity and then I can't do with that. Why are you watching that? No, you'd love it. I would not. I can't watch videos of people popping pimples. No, it's not any medical stuff. No, it's not medical. It's veterinarian, as you said. But it sounds different. You just said puss. I'm not watching', Im not putting YouTube on for pass. But you'd watch 'em scrape down a hoof, right? No. Absolutely not. Okay each to their own. How did you get onto that? It's none of your business. Did you use NordVPN for that . Hm , let's just say it was a private browsing window . Speaking of which, should we have an ad break? Ah What else has been going on this week then? What's been going on this week? Well, actually, you know about one of the things which starts off dark but actually becomes slightly less so. So I went to the hospital because I found a lump in my breast. Oh yes . This is good to talk about. This is good to talk about. Mary goes to talk about because people should be feeling their breasts. People should be feeling other people's breasts. Everyone who has breasts? Yep, should be checking them. Check 'em. Feel him, check 'em. Now what,'s confusing is you think a breast is going to be soft like a marshmallow, but actually it's full of gravel and bits of old wood and just sort of like detritus. And so they aren't completely smooth and soft, but I found a lump. So I did what you supposed to do. Went to the GP . What's really disconcerting is you have to sit on a bench with your boobs out and then they look at you from quite far away and then she said How far away the other out the window is Garpark . Binoculars through the window. She's like, This is the only way to do it . And she said , Are these your breasts? And I was like , Do you mean are they fake? Thank you. And she was like, No , I need to know that like this is what you consider normal. Oh , the wording's off, isn't it? The wording's so off. Yeah. I was like, Yep, no, this is this is the rack This is what I this is the baseline . Are these your breasts ? And then a follow up question Is this what you consider normal? Is this what you consider normal? So yes, it's what I consider normal. She was like, and you said that. And I said that. She's like, get yourself to the hospital. So I went to have a scan. As I'm walking into the hospital , walking towards me is a loose acquaintance. Somebody who I always have nice chats with when I bump into them, but we don't really know each other that well . And she said , Oh, I think I know where you're going, where I've just been and then pointed in the direction of what I know to be the SDI clinic . And I said , I'm actually not , I'm actually going to have my breast scanned and she was like, Wow no . And she was like, I'm just so sorry. We hardly know each other. And I was like, It's cool. Get it check. So she wasn't doing a joke. No, she was very much. She was mortified and she was like, I'm so sorry. I was just so worried about it, but they said it was fine. I was like, You just fine. It's such a great risky thing to say to someone. Also she was so sure that I would be going to the SDI clinic. She was like, I know where you're going. Wow. Amazing. But in a hospital, you cannot just no talking. No talking. It's not so that's crazy. At best, you're doing it. Oh, you're right. Like walk and keep going. It's a drive by. Also, there's definitely a no cheerfulness rule in hospitals. Absolutely not. So I've been visiting my dad quite a lot recently of. Not to bring the mood down . No, he's a lot better now, but he had heart surgery, he had a stroke while it was going on. It was a terrible time. Awful. Sad, sad, horrible time. So I was in the hospital loads every day every day. And then when I left one day and I went to the little cafe to get a coffee on the way out and someone saw me in the reception bit and I just saw them clock me and they started beaming . They were like , Oh, hi, Greg . And she went, What are you doing here? No , no, what's going on? So I went, well , I'm in hospital. My dad's like dying. Yeah. This is so what? And then you can't have a photo. What are you supposed to say? I'm gonna write down hospital etiquette. Yeah, because that needs to be discussed, I think. Yeah, because you presume that everybody's on the same page. It feels really obvious what you're supposed to do. Quiet, respectful, mind your own business. They're they're sort of the rules. Mind your own business and it's okay for it to be awkward and silent. Yeah. And it needs to be like that because everyone's sad in different stages of grief or there's like joy out of a maternity unit, but also I consider normal. Like everyone's dealing with their own thing. Yeah, yeah. We were in the ICU quite a lot. So he was in there for ages and we were sittinging just wait endlessly, obviously waiting for updates and doctors to come in and great nurses to come in and just chat and whatever but everyone's busy so you have to sit for ages and if you're lucky to have your family there or friends whatever you just have it you, have quiet chat. Of course, quiet chat in ICU and it's very sort of can I get you anything from the vending machine now? Are the toilet's done is you're not doing proper catch ups. No there's no lulls going on really. You can be odd dark joke but, nothing much. There was a guy in the there was a guy in the waiting room. Right? In the corner of the waiting room on his own. I'm already tense. I'm like, oh no, what's he doing? It was me, my mum, my sister, and another couple of quiet people sobbing because it's just, you know , and there was a guy in the corner of the ICU waiting room just scrolling TikTok. Not loud without earphones. No. It's wild. Illegal. Call the police immediately. So this is okay. So we're just sitting there, me and my mum are chatting Mom, do you think that what's going to happen to dad? I mean, the stroke is sort of like what's it going to affect like both sides of me size ? And then my sister's like, yeah, I just don't know what we're going to do. We're going to get the shower sorted at home and it's really it's will even be the same again. This guy is just scrolling When I was a writer at the I'm going, I just can't believe it like it's so unlucky that bad has been gorgeous. I didn't deserve this. It seems like you can spoke to the doctor today when he's going to be able to eat his food properly ? Do you know what I mean? So this is what was going on. And so I said, Can you not do that please? I said, could you would you mind? So you know you do a big I went, would you mind? And I went Would you mind putting your earphones in please? Because that is mad . On that note Hello at badchatclub. com if you have kicked someone out of the ICU. I do believe we have a voice note from one of our wonderful listeners. So it's not just Rosalie. We've got somebody else with a note for us. Let's see if they're Dutch . So Sam has sent us a voice note . So this year I've had a pretty dramatic breakup getting over it now . We're moving . But one of the things that I found brings me pure joy is when I'm in the queue for Gregg's, I like to purchase all of the certain baker a roll that's left just for the person in the cube behind me can't have it . So personal highlights are buying off for his steak baks so the roof of beyond me couldn't get his daily fix and there was a little kid twin ing in the queue ones more than there wasn't too many sausage rolls left and he was just being really aggry with his mum wanting a sausage roll . So I just bought five of them so he couldn't have them. Does he make me bad a person? I don't know, but satisfaction really does improve my dear The short answer is yes. It makes you a bad person. Not where I thought it was going to go. I thought he was going to go down a because I love being a hero. I love getting praise for stuff. Like my brother always tells me to stop asking groups of tourists if they want their photo taken. Oh, you like the praise? I love the praise. So I thought he was going to say he was buying them all and then when the kids cry he's like,, please , take one of mine. Oh, I see, yeah, nice good deed. I think I would have done the good deed, maybe. Positive PR's always good. Free sausage rolls for everybody. It's Greg and Greg's. You never know who's filingm could be a viral moment. Your crew will be filming, yeah. My documentary crew, no one's picked it up yet. What I like about this story, what was his name? Sam? What I like is that Sam feels like we are the people to hear this. So I think it does make you a bad person . I am judging you, but this is the place to share it. Yeah, I 'm safe here. Yeah, to a certain extent but you will be mocked a bit . You'll be amongst like minded people . Those like minded people will , much like your closest friends, tear you down . We're not going to make you feel better about it. I mean, if you have a thing that makes you feel like a bad person, if you have a thing that you want to test on us, you know, the moral lines of something, you got a dilemma, a question, a story, this is definitely the place for that. It's bad behaviour . And what a first show we've had . The distance we have travelled Hopefully there's an answer to what's this show about? Yeah . So we started with Professor Allison Greg and who spoke to first our first listener, our call. Rosalie. Rosalie, who is a clock size forty. We found out that you were in Warhorse for GC Bite size. You can say a star of Warhorse. I need to tell you about my GCBite size next week. Oh my god 'cause they roped us all into it. Did you do it? I've done one . It's bad as well. Okay, please email in if Gregor's the reason that you got an A star or, you know, or an F . It's bad. One direction, horses, TikTok in the ICU . Are those breasts normal? Are these breasts normal? Hospital etiquette in general . And I think that's not a bad first show. Okay, so if any of that sparked a thought in your head, you probably wanna get in touch with us. You can do that all the normal ways. Hello at badchatclub dot com We have a landline with a voicemail . What year is it you guys? So retro. You can do the normal things WhatsApp. In fact, I'm not going to no one's got a pen out, no one's going to write down the numbers. It's all in the showy bit and it will be on the social media and all of that. But please don't, be a stranger. No, of course not. This is for you. And if it's not for you, then there's lots of other things for you. But this should be for you. This is for you, I never ask for it. Well , you got it. That's the end of today's bad chat episode one , so please stop listening because we're going to stop talking Bad Chat is a person ica podcast