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I mean, both like how a lot of like people just in our industry make their living today, but how a lot of like conservative media people get started where she is building this like grassroots like from she's like convincing people to give her money to go like root out communists in the world. Like it's a very modern business model, which is weird to make. Absolutely. She tapped into that fear mongering grift, real. Yeah. ye early on Exactly. So she is ahead of her time. you know, you can you never like we don't like to be like, well, that's a smart lady, but that is a smart lady just not in a way that most of us like respect people being intelligent, but it clearly is. It's A smart lady. who had the wrong influences and a brain that wasn't put to its proper use and found its uses. That's what I was getting from our first episode I think that that's a healthy way to look at it as like, oh, only if only the things that she was clearly gifted at had been put to a less evil end But the question is like, Would that have happened? Would something less evil have motivated her this way, you know? And I guess that gets into The fiddlier questions about human morality. Anyway, It does The opening of the Red Network, which again, that's her second big book, right? That's basically this telephone book of all the communists in the country and the secret left wing agents trying to bring down, you know, capitalism The opening of this book was dedicated to the professional Patriots, right? Again, that feels very modern where she's like, open this book. This is dedicated to the professional Patriots. And she describes it as everyone who is as crazy as she is and believes that the whole country is about to fall to the red. So this book is for all the people that everyone says that you're crazy, but you're not crazy. I know you're not crazy. We all know that you know The book's intro warned about the coming communist socialist world conspiracy, quote, with its four horsemen Atheism, immorality, class hatred, and pacifism for the sake of Red revolution is boring within our churches, schools and government and is undermining America like a cancerous growth irst off, It's so embarrassing how little these conversations have changed. Sorry. Yeah. Yes, very little. L come on. But also like the four horsemen You know, we know what the actual four horsemen are and they're all cool stuff like famine and like war and plague And they're not the c morality class hatred. The horsemen of class hatred, The horsemen of pacifism for the sake of Red Revolution. That's just bad writing, Liz. That's just bad writing I'm taking some real liberties here. Yeah. Before she gets into the book, she makes sure to thank the staunch DAR, of which the author unfortunately is not a member, which is so sad. And she calls the DAR the best informed body of women on this subject in America. She just cannot stop licking those boots. Another person she thanks is mister Harry Young, who we talked about last episode of the American Vigilant Intelligence Federation and who brought the protocols of the elders of Zion to the United States, Hushib brags was sufficiently annoying in his anti Red free speech to be honored by intimidating libel suits filed by the notorious free speech for Reds only ACLU So the book was just a reprint of a lot of her old essays and a list of groups like the ACLU that have what she considered to be known communist ties One portion of the book is dedicated to the Socialist Party and the New Deal, and argues that the US Socialist Party was growing to subsume the Democratic Party and would soon take it over entirely, and that the New Deal was the instrument through which the Democratic Party would be devoured by the Socialist Party Do the socialist Party do it today Yeah. I know. Uh It's a fanciful document, and every notion in Dilling's book is again fanciful at best and outright idiotic at worst. This has been proven by the paths that history took, right? We know that she was wrong Dillling labeled some four hundred and sixty American organizations communist, radical pacifist, anarchist, socialist, or IWW controlled. That's the international workers of the world. The idea that radical pacivism is something to be afraid of is so wild to me. Pacifists are just pacivism only serves the Red Revolution Right? It just stops from being willing to fight against communism, you know? Okay Even though weirdly enough, in like World War two, some of the only people who like her didn't want to fight the Nazis were pacifists Things get met interesting. interestnteresting. Your allegance is the weird Yeah She never examines that at all So it listed she lists oneteen hundred or so of these different organizations. becausecause she is a woman, she assumed that her own word would not be of value to the readers of her book without extensive backup. And this is one of the weirdest things about this. She repeatedly be like, I know you're not going to trust what I'm saying about this because I'm just a lady Right? And then she'll provide like that's how she writes this book a lot. She She'll include male. So you don't have to take it for me. Here's a man saying the same thing Like it's both, she's very cognizant of her readers' biases and shares them. And that's part of the text in a very strange way Where she's like, obviously as a girl, I don't know what I'm talking about. Here's a smarter man saying it. So fascinating. It's interesting level, she doesn't buy it s wrong with this Be the one to write. This bullshit. Yes. Yes The Red Network was a massive success among the Crankwite, which was even then forming as a reaction of the mdied classes to FDR's newew deal and the terrifying threat of communism abroad and at home The first ultra wealthy founders of far right anti communist paranoia have started gearing up in this period, and Elizabeth Dilling has helped to make a place for herself as one of the most prominent redbaiters in the country In the years to come, the Red Network would be cited as expert testimony in a dozen congressional investigations and legislative investigations, and Ericsson writes, was used successfully in at least one court case. So a bunch of different like this, her book is cited regularly. It becomes part of a bunch of different attempts to bring charges to different communist groups. There's obviously nothing of any real informative value. The Red Network. The book existed primarily to condemn people by association using spurious rumors that would tar anyone left of Hitler as a communist subversive looking to outlaw Christianity. Because Liz did such a good job of making her book appear exhaustively sourced by citing numerous prominent cranks like the guy who helped bring modern antiemitism to the US, it quickly became beloved by police officers because they could say, lookook, we know this is a bad guy. Look at all the citations that say this group he's a part of is dangerous Right? Like cops love the Red network because they can point to a meeting of an organization in their town and be like, we had to break it up. It's in this book, you know? Like she is giing them the main thing they need, which is an excuse to go brutalize somebody The new Republic would warn in an article in the nineteen thirties that Dillling's book carried weight with many law enforcement officers, particularly local cops who were, quote, only too glad to have a list of suspected communists that they could hassle The book had been designed for this purpose to provide an excuse for reactionary police officers, congressmen, and private mobs to attack regular citizens. least two episodes of this show, I've cited the work of pioneering anti fascist journalist Dorothy Thompson Who among other things wrote an essay titled Who goes Fascist that I've quoted a number of times on this. It's the one where she's playing that parlor game. She's like talking about like a normal party in the United States in like the late thirties and it's like tried to imagine if fascism came to America, which of these people would go? And it's a stunning article because it works perfectly today. She describes all the kinds of people who went fascist in our own We've watched it happen in our own lives. Dorothy's a genius was a brilliant writer. Um Dorothy Thompson described Elizabeth Dillling as, quote, one of the most successful defamers of private character in this country. and that's a very good way to look at her is her business is defamation And it's providing an excuse For police officers, for thugs, for bigots to attack folks by tarring them as communists. That's what it is. Her book is an excuse for violence, you know, more than anything. Yeah Now, one of the things that made Elizabeth novel was her willingness to throw all pretents of civility and earnest disagreement out the window Her enemies were communist traitor subversives, and all liberals were socialists, which meant all liberals were some kind of red, as Christine Ericsson writes for the Journal of American Studies Dilling's willingness to irreverently paint all liberals with varying shades of red won her many accolades from the right. What helped make the Red Network an Instant hit among Patriots was its accessibility to older studies by Representative Hamilton Fish, who headed an investigation in nineteen thirty one of communist activities in the US, and Senator Clayton R. Lusk, who compiled a four volume report of the Joint Committee invvestigating Seditious activities in New York in nineteen twenty Now these old works weren't particularly accurate But neither was the new date had been gathered by guys like Harry Young, right? And neither is anything that Eliz is bringing into this. What matters is she's adding all this together, which makes it seem like there's a weight of evidence behind her claims The Red Network sells very well, but only some of that money goes to Liz. Many copies are distributed and given away or sold by third party groups with mailing lists, she doesn't always make money off of this Still, even though this doesn't necessarily make Liz wealthy, it provides her with one of a kind clout amongst cranks, right? She is now like the top of the list when it comes to this kind of person Yeah. Yeah I've always feel like a broken record, but I have to say it, it's just The same playbook now, Lying is the right thing to do.ing Lying is the right way to make a living. you know, it's just easy Yeah, don't and giving people permission structure to do the bad things or to villainize people to you know bring the force of the law, whatever. One of the most reliable ways to make a lot of money in American media is to find a group of people that a bunch of assholes already want to hurt and then give them an excuse to hurt those people, you know Great way to make money in America. God, she didn't have a Twitter account Yeah. People treated her in this era, like how I imagine Alex Jones wishes he was more consistently treated as a heroic truth teller who for the very first time had provided regular Americans with a way to fight back against the Reds who, you know, were destroying the country. One of Elizabeth's fans told her that he consulted the Red Network almost daily, a fact that implies a life more depressing than I can express. She was popular among women with influential husbands too, which gave her a kind of influence in and of itself And that's like an interesting thing to me is a lot of her claims to like being able to change things is like the wife of this guy started her wranging her husband about Liz's bullshit. And so is this guy like got involved in making changes Yeah. It's yeah, unfortunate what a good business that is to be in in this period of time, but it does work And smart of smart of, I guess to to pinpoint that as u prorofitable for her And she's very much cognizant of that of that like this is one way you can change the world is by gettingting wives to harass their husbands about stuff like this. It's very effective. Many of the people and organizations named in her book were Jewish, a fact that was not missed by the outright fascists and Nazi symbilizers that were increasingly organizing in the United States as the thirties wore on The German American Bnd distributed free copies of the Red network. So did the Aryan bookstore of Los Angeles, which was founded in nineteen thirty three. This was This was an institution in LA for years for quite a long time. A Aryan bookstore I have not. Yeah. ye. LA Aookstore I wanted to look into this, so for an idea of the kind of good, respectable conservative writing that the Aryan Bookstore published, I found a nineteen forty FBI file on the Aryan Bookstore that included several examples of their original publications So one of these was a pamphlet for the United Florida Ku Klux Klan who apparently paid to have their weekly newspaper distributed via the bookstore. Here's how one paragraph of that document read Why the Ku Klux cllan The facts about the Ku Klux Klan, its birth, mission, and purpose have been most widely distorted by the Jew controlled news media. Immediately after the Civil War, the Jew radicals and revolutionaries who had gained a large control over the Union government sent their carpet baggers stooges, and I'm not even gonna to finish this paragraph because it gets a lot worse after that. You get the idea Liz' get the being sold by these people, right? Yeah I don't need to finish that statement for you to know The company your ideas are keeping. My God Yike Yeah. I'm not exaggerating by calling you basically a Nazi if your books are primarily being sold in the Aryan bookstore of Los Angeles And what I just read should make it clear that as always, Elizabeth Dilling's anti communism was a synonym for anti Semitism and fascist right hatred Another Aryan bookstore publication sold right alongside the Red Network was the Christian Youth Corps Weekly report. Sophie's gonna show you a little excerpt from the Christian Youth Corps Weekly repeport. It's got a very fascist looking flag with like a plus sign and like a white circle Almost like a swastika. Yeah ye yeah. Yeah, our emblem, the red field is for the blood of Christ that was shed for us, the white circlus symbolic of the ever loving life through Christ and the cross Oh good. that seems And then the first article under the Christian Youth Corps Weekly report What is Jewish ritual murder Oh my had another great publication Again, these are just Nazi papers. Liz is just a Nazi. She's selling her book in Nazi bookstores because she's a Nazi I'm sharing all ye. I don't think that she would shirk from that description I mean She after a certain point, she sure would, but yeah, during this period of time, I think you she would be proud to be identified with them Sure I bet she still continues with her anti communism part, though So yeah, I'm sharing all this stuff because I want people to understand Liz Dillling's bed feellows from the jump are outright Nazis This ist everything she's tricked by. She doesn't like fall into this. She's not surprised by the fact that she's like standing side by side with these folks. These are her These are her allies from the jump. And the fact that she's also popular with garden variety conservatives is because many garden variety conservatives ople were also basically Nazis until World War two made that too dangerous an ideology to his spouse. Dilling identified herself with these people from the jump, writing in the Red Network that Nazi Germany was only mean to Jewish people defensively. quote, The large number of revolutionary Russian Jews in Germany doubtless contributed towards making fascist Germany anti Semitic She's abutely lazy Yeah, she's fucking for sure a Nazi. easily easy to judge her is that If she was living in Germany, she'd have the arm band, you know. Hey, don't worry. she'll get to Germany before this story is over. Oh.'t She hasn't traveled Yeah For the most part.ure. B on this ideological journey, Elizabeth has had numerous allies, but none of them held a candle to the man who was her primary peer and influence real In a lot of ways, like this is the guy that she sees herself as subservient to and sees herself as really like working to like aid and further. This is the great man of her era, the finest reactionary rabble rouser of his day. Oh my Father Charles Cauflin Now we've talked about Father Koplan in the past. He's come up a couple of times on this show. As you'd expect from the name, Father Cothlin was a Catholic priest who was also his heiror's equivalent of I mean, he's another like Alex Jones type figure. There's a lot of these guys at the time. He is like a reactionary right wing radio guy who's ranting about communist subversion on the air. He's infamous for spreading racist conspiracy theories about communism and the Jews, and he's primarily motivated after a point by an insane and unreasoning hatred of FDR's New Deal. That's a big thing for Father Cooughlin and his like heyday To give you a brief overview of his life, Charles Cooughlin had been born in eighteen ninety one in Hamilton, Ontario to a devout Catholic family who encouraged him to enter preparatory seminary school at Staint Michael's College when he was just thirteen He'd graduated in nineteen eleven as president of the first graduating class of his newly established college and then entered the seminary proper. Despite his confirmed status as a Canadian, his precise shade of Catholicism drew him to the United States, in particular, to Waco, where he worked for the Basilian Order Now this basically means that he was really into this particular straam of like it's Catholic, but it's like orrthodox coded monasticism. becausecauseuse like the Basilians are mostly popular in Ukraine But again,'s like it's a weird like almost orrthodoxy colored Catholic thing as far as I can tell, I don't understand it while I'm not super into Catholicism Anyway, he gets ordained on june twenty ninth, nineteen sixteen and started teaching psychology and a few other classes at Asumption College in Ontario In nineteen eighteen, the Basilian Order decided that all of its members needed to take a vow of poverty, right? So they're like, we really think that you know what we're doing is best if everyone agrees never to have any money. And Father Kafin is like, well, I don't see why I need to be poor. And so he leaves ' didn't like that. No wa,'re poured out. No, no, no, no, no, no So he joins a dioces and clergy in Detroit, and his career continued along without incident until nineteen twenty six when he was asked to help raise money to build a new parish in rooyal Oak. Sain. Tse of Laou And he had been interested in the burgeoning new technology of radio for some time and decided to work out a deal with a local station to help to let him perform a radio show to raise money Father Cooughlin turned out to have a gift for this, and his fundraiser was a huge success, in large part because he doesn't just stick to religion A big portion of his first broadcasts were dedicated to ranting about the spread of communism in the United States, which he saw in terms very similar to Elizabeth Dillling In fact, she caught his first broadcast, and Amy De suspects it helps to radicalize her that like she watches him give this first broadcast when she's getting started as an anti communist activist. and this is a big thing that like motivates him Dilling's anti communism was firstly rooted in her Christian faith, but as time grew on, she grew furious at the fact that most priests and pastors were not like Father Cooughlin As one biographer wrote, she became nauseated by her church's attitude towards communism. had to restrain herself to avoid being thrown out and had no time to waste in a church activity Right? So she's disgusted by the actual churches that she goes to and she's really drawn to this guy because he's acting the way she thinks every priest ought to be acting. Right. Right? She doesn't understand why every man of faith in her world isn't talking like Father Kaflins. That's a big part of why she loves this guy The guy refused to take the vow of poverty. That would not take a vow of poverty. It's so interesting despite being raised a certain way, although there's plenty of contradictions in how she was raised, but the just the religious aspect, but like, no, I know better than the priests. I know better than the church that I've grown up in, I find it distasteful. It's weird Yeahes. I mean, I think it makes sense if you understand that like For someone like this, religion is not about what the faith says or even what God says, It's about finding the ultimate boss to back up that whatever your opinion is is right, right? You have the ultimate call to authority. That's all that it is to them, really, I think. For Yeah honestly U so one of Liz and Father Cothlin's favorite Bible verses was Matthew ten thirty four. Think not that I am come to send peace on earth. I come not to send peace, but a sword is youll get this. that Pete Hageth likes that verse too, by the way. They believed only organized political Christianity could defeat the radical left. By the early nineteen thirties, when Dyilling was publishing her most influential books, CBS picked up Cuflin's program And by the end of nineteen thirty one, it had more than forty million listeners. By nineteen thirty three, the year before the Red Network's publication, Cuoughlin had one hundred six clerks to handle the delus of mail from his fans. In nineteen thirty five, the Radio League of his parish had cashed four million dollars in money orders in just twenty months Cauflin like Dilly. Yeah. So she's, I mean, yeah, this this brings in a shitload of money, right? Yeah. L Caoflin is famous in a way that almost no one is in this period of time Unlike Dyilling, Cauoughlin was initially a supporter of FDR, right? Not out of any strong political conviction. He certainly doesn't like believe, particularly in FDR's politics, but he does believe that he really ought to be involved in a presidential administration. And so in early nineteen thirty two, he actually meets FDR And FDR promises if I get elected, I'll go to you directly for like advice. You know, I'll ask you for your advice on different things becausecause Kaflin has a bunch of things he wants to advise the presidency about. So Kauflin backs FDR because he thinks he's going to have an end to the new administration And in fact, Father Cauoughflin invents a couple important catchphrases that help like sell FDR's campaign, including the New Deal is Christ's deal But after FDR wins, Roosevelt's like Well, this guy's obviously crazy. Let's block his number. Like I'm not actually gonna to go to him for advice or anything. And Father Kauflin, when he realizes he's been betrayed, loses his mind and begins dedicating himself to attacking the New deeal as godless commommunism. it's funny to Be Dillling hates FDR from the start. She loves Kauflin from the start, but she always ignores that Cauflin likes FDR when he thinks he's going to get something out of FDR. Like she can't square with that. Yeah, yeah In nineteen forty six, Kauflin starts a weekly newspaper titled Social Justice and used it to attack FDR. He joined with an alliance of Ati Roosevelt figureures to stop the president's reelection campaign campaigning alongside Hughy Long, Reverend Gerald L. K. Smith, and of course, Elizabeth Dilling By the late thirties, she'd become almost as in demand a speaker as him, and was giving speeches several times a week at women's clubs, veerans' clubs, Chambers of Commerce, and other civic organizations around the country During the election, she often gave five speeches a day Now by this point, she'd become a big enough name that she was taking home fifty percent of the money she collected during her talks, plus expenses and an honorarium. So she's doing okay, but this still isn't big money by her standards. That said, her motivation to doing this is not financial primarily. It's because within the very narrow window of what women ought to be doing that she espoused This was the path that allowed her the most agency and fame, right?. And she's not breaking the rules and part because she's not taking too much money, but this is like the most she gets to be out in the world while pretending that she's still holding to her values about that sort of thing. Is Is Hughy Long Is that the Kingfish guy? Yeah, it is. Hughie Long We'll talk we got to talk about Hughie. Huy is yeah, he's a Louisiana governor is fascinating figure. Dare I say sidebastard? Certified side bastard. Yeah, for sure sideb Well we're gonna he'll get his episodes one of these days. He's been There's just a lot to say about O Hughie. They don't make him like that anymore in American politics for better and for worse. The kingfish guy. Yeah, I would say so. Yeah. Oh yeah. o yeah. No noobody like Hughy. And nobody like Yie It's a shame. I mean, Huueie's last chapter, especially, I do wish more more politicians would take a leaf out of the end of his career. All right, it's time for the bastards on Huueie. 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No code needed, just try it So Amy De's Thsis does a good job of describing how Elizabeth evolved as a speaker, using lessons that she cribed from Father Cauflin's program as a rubric Elizabeth Dilling presented her speeches much like Cauflins full of anguish and hateful words. Elizabeth would incorporate props into her speeches such as Red banners, YWCAs songbooks, magazines, pamphlets, and of course, newspapers. Elizabeth would sing songs about the so called Red Minace and ridiculed it at every opportunity. Her husband, Albert, would accompany Dillling on the piano and pass out sheet music to provoke the audience A favorite of the audience attending her speeches was Dillling's impressions of Eleanor Roosevelt. Elizabeth would speak in a Yiddish accent, ridiculing the firstirst lady at every opportunity. Elizabeth's speeches would normally last around two hours and the audience loved every minute of it The audience sat raply, fearing it might miss a good story or important reference She was always careful to end and often begin her lectures by acknowledging that again, she was quote, just a woman with a mouth in her words And true to that, her audiences were never as big as the ones that Cauflin could draw, but she was easily the most famous woman in far right politics for her time And while a big crowd for her was seldom more than one hundred or two hundred people, her fans were unusually dedicated. Dillling later recalled, A one lecture, about fifty people from the audience arose to pledge their lives to Jesus as the antidote to communism. Wow. Okay. Yeah Good stuff While Father Cooughflin became his own cottage industry with a vast staff, Elizabeth continued to do all of her own research and writing. She is a one woman shop. Her husband Albert was her only assistant and he helped so often that his real work suffered Over time, despite her strongly stated belief that women should not work and certainly shouldn't be the breadwinner of the family, her work began to make up the bulk of the family income In nineteen thirty five, she'd started reaching out to one of the most famous men in Chicago for help Charles R. Walgreed. What business do we think Charles R. Walgreed was in G it gu help started. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, this is the CBS guy. You're right, you're right. Yeah CBS guy R aid. Yeahah Y is the right I d doe. Yes, yeah. ye. I S Chles all Walgreens never passed my mind that Walgreens was named after For sure. Yeah it's a guy. It's guy starts as a bootlegger if I'm not mistaken U or basically because they needed a way to legally sell people booze during prohibition and that's where Walgreenss got it to start. Now Because Walgreen's niece attended the University of Chicago, Elizabeth thought that he would be willing to help her launch a war against communism among the school staff And basically she goes him and says, Do you know how many of these teachers are in my book, The Red Network is like card carrying socialists and communist infiltrators? And Wargreen is horrified. And he indeed withdraws his niece from the college when Dyling shows him how many professors were suspected communists Now one of the men that she accused was Harold Swift, a president of the Board of trrustees she considered a cream puff type of red quote, one of the millionaires who like to play around with radicals. So again, this is not like a An actual political fire bad. This is like a rich guy who's on like the board of a big university who's just not a dick But she says some Richmen turned to booze, some to chorus girls, and others to communism. When the revolution came, his throat would be slit And the communism is like, maybe we should pay teachers more and stuff. I have a feeling that's more more what she's considering that E in his position Yeah. Despite her dire claims, the committee that investigated Swift found no reason to take action against him. But Dillling was regularly successful in ruining careers and launching waves of random hate at people she decided were guilty of communism And again, there's a lot a lot in common with like the modern anti progressive communist, you know, fucking professor on campus crusade that's especiallyited's like some L Lumomer type for real Lorea Lumomer type. There's Bill Aackman in there. Yeah, some of this fuck this fear mongering around your universities and the education system and And But she's one of the first people on the right to do that in an organized way. And doing it in a way that you could all you could literally just swap the names out. and it's the same way this reads today when people accuse professors and stuff of this Dilling was regularly successful in ruining people's careers, but like her idle father Cooughlin, she resolved the greatest effort of her working life for the fight to unseat FDR In speeches, that election, the nineteen thirty six election, Dillling told audiences of DAR members and rotarians that if FDR won reelection, there would be zero chance of another free election ever taking place in the United States. And we can see just how right she was. God, she was presressent Yeah, she really she all coming. That was the end of democracy in America While Cauflin was clearly a power hungry opportunist, willing to bend for the sake of his own influence, Elizabeth pursued her political advocacy with the feverish intensity of a true believer. She didn't just campaign against FDR, she dedicated herself to finding his replacement Now for some reason, she decided the best way to do this was to sabotage the potential candidacy of another man that she saw as just as bad as FDR. So she decides I have to make sure the right man gets like in position to take down FDR. and the best way to do that is to stop another guy I think is even worse from becoming a candidate. And the guy that she sees is even worse, is like a potential disastrous Republican presidential candidate in thirty six is Senator William Bora of Idaho And her fear was that Senator Bora might win the Republican nomination, which would lead to what she considered a communist versus communist general election. right? If Bora runs against FDR, it's just too communists on the ballot. Let's take a look. Okay. This Cunist senator, Elizabeth dedicated herself to destroying. William Edgar Bora had been born the year the Civil War ended. He grew up in Kansas, but moved to Idaho to practice law before he was elected to the Senate in nineteen oh seven He became known as a progressive insurgent against President Taft's policies, and fought against both the Treaty of Versailles and turned Calvin Coolidge down when he offered to make Bora his running mate in nineteen twenty four Bora was mixed on the New Deal, which is why he decided to run in nineteen thirty six. But this is also why Dyillling saw him as just as bad as FDR because he's pro New deeal. He just wantsed to be somewhat different, right? And so she's like, he's just still a communist Now Bora also was supportive of the ACLU and was in favor of extending diplomatic recognition to the USSR, a country that undeniably existed All this added up to a communist in Liz's book. L you that's like that's no go for her. She's been over there. We You can' have diplomatic relations with those deents. You can't acknowledge that they exist even though they do. It's a very like this is that we're kind do this with fucking Taiwan for a huge part of like the latter twentieth century where we're just like, no, if you want to talk to China, you have to talk to Taiwan And some people who are rational will be like But like guys, you can feel however you want about the Civil War, but like Taiwan is obviously not China. There's a whole country. There's millions of people, hundreds of millions of people living in China governing. We can't just pretend this island speaks for all of them. That's stupid as shit. But we did it for a long time I love that times lver I don't know I hear C't be communist if I don't say so? It's still Lar over there. Shut up It' a grow up. It's really funny. like children As Di described from this is Liz talking about Bora, quote, bothoth the public and the Chicago Tribune would call Bora the idol of Moscow To sway votes against Bora, Elizabeth wrote a pamphlet entitled Bora F Within. The grand O Republic Party distributed five thousand copies at its national convention in Cleveland. Soon after, Elizabeth started taking credit for denying Bora the presidential nomination After basking in the glow of Bora's defeat, Elizabeth eyed another presidential nominee, whom she deemed as being unworthy. That person would be none other than Kansas Governor Alfred M. Landon. Elizabeth saw Alfred M. Landon as a nightclerk trying to appear as a serious candidate for the Oval Office. Due to his apprehension, Landon had a hard time speaking in front of a large crowd Elizabeth feared that Roovelt would out talk landon, and therefore FDR would win the presidency. I got to give Liz credit for one thing, which is she is right. Alfred Lanton was a dogshit candidate for the presidency. Terrible. especially against FDR You want to take maybe the man with the greatest natural political instincts who's ever become a president of the United States. and you put Alf fucking Landon next to his ass. Okay. Yeah. K down out to work. Yeah. anybody that doesn't like speaking in front of crowds I the guy who scared of speaking of crowds to fight FDR in a a political cage match. That'll work. That'll work. He's not charismatic. He's not the most beloved man in American politics So it eventually becomes clear that Landnon is going to win the Republican nomination. And so Liz has no choice but to try and help his campaign, right? So she's like, okay, I wanted to stop him, but he's going to be it. So I have to coax him into is seeming competent. This was would prove to be very difficult for her because she doesn't know Alf Landon and her incendiary speeches and columns about what Landon should do have the effect of just making him seem worse, right? She's trying to help the campaign, but all she does is attack him and it just makes him it just eats away at his support base even more. The Dilllings even name their dog who they find stupid and annoying Landon. And that fact tells you a lot that like, But they nameam their dog after a guy they hate And also they hate their dog ike they hate their dog. You don't have to have it. You know that, right? Like if you hate your dog, you don't need that doesn't need to be your dog Yeah You don't have to mock your dogg. Yeah this is confusing. This is confusing. weird I don't understand your choices. Yeah. But again, it was Landon her FDR. So Elizabeth and her husband set to work finding a way to save him from the Jewish people they believe were secretly running his campaign. It was one of their they was like, well, Landon's not a great candidate, but all these Jews are running his campaign. And that's really hurting him.'s like man. Alf Landon, like Barack Obama himself could have like injected Alf Landon with the raw essence of his charisma and the sheer weight of Landon's anti charisma would have drowned out the Obama cells I don't you know what I'm getting at right? There's no hope for this man. There's no hope for this man. No one could have made Alf Landon a president. That was simply not possible. until Hubert Humphrey, there was never a weaker fucking candidate for the presidency U So Albert, her husband, this is Dilling's husband gets a job with Alph Landnon's campaign headquarters in Chicago because again, they know that we don't have any connections to Landon. So if we're going to convince him that we know how he's got to win, we need to get you, Albert. You have to get your your foot in the door and the the Chicago campaign office. And Landon or Albert does get a job for the Landnon campaign, but as soon as he starts work on the first day, he realizes something terrible Both of his bosses are Jewish men Ty is ex not to work for this guy Uh, here's Dy. she could describbe what happened next. Elizabeth was convinced that only overc conffident executives supported Landon. Elizabeth made this assumption after she and Albert dinied with six executives who claimed they did not need to campaign because Landon would win easily. She complained that neither Landon nor Roosevelt discussed the real issue, which was Markx vvers. Washington After Roosevelt woned, Landed carried only two states. Dillling's solace was to say, I told you, sol, to the industrialists who had predicted Landed would win. They got what they deserve, she said T stes. My God fucking self respect, Alf. Honestly, if you had any self respect, the thing to do would be to like watch one Roosevelt speech likeike one of his fucking fireside chats and be like, no, I don't got this juice. I simply don't have the juice to take this man out. L I'm Landon. No one can blame me for realizing this is beyond my abilities. My name' Alf Landon. I'm literally named Alf Landon. You want me to go up against this guy He doesn't have legs that he's kicking my ass. L my God He can run circles around me. Yeah, yeah. like Jesus. just you there's a degree of sympathy you have to have. for like, oh, you thought you could beat FDR in nineteen thirty six you You So Dylan got out of the thirty six election with at least more grace than her idol, Father Cauoughlin. Koflit had made the mistake of backing a third party, the Union partarty. This was an extension of an organization that he had formed earlier that year, The National Union for Social Justice. and just by the way, if you want to think about like what a shit show it was when Biden dropped out at like the last possible minute and the Democratic Party had to line up behind a single candidate with just a couple of months before the election Cauflin tries to do that, but with starting a new party in the last year the the the year of the election I think he's he's overestimating his own influence here He is and again, because Cauflin Dillling loves him, but he's not the same ideologically as her He is a fascist, but he's not a pro capitalist fascist. There are pro capitalist fascists and there are anti capitalist fascists Yeah. And in fact, part of what the Night of Long Knives was one thing that happened in the Night of Long Knives in Nazi Germany is that they got rid of the anti capitalist fascists Right. But in this day and age was the Union of for social just. J. So National Union for Social justustice and he loves the terms so not in line with her It isn't, it isn't, it isn't. social justice number one It means a very different thing to Catholicism in this time than it does when people use the term today. People use social justice today. do not think of it in a religious. Social justice is a Catholic term in this time in period. It very much considered It's something the church cares a lot about, right? but cares about from its standpoint. I'm not saying standpoint. The Catholic Church in the thirties is woken a. This is you know what Yeah This is a good clarification for me. Yeah. Father Cochlan's Union partarty is anti capitalist and anti mononopolist, right? Because anti mononopolism is like the the big populist interest at the time. It iss like trust busting in the US. So If you are populist, you have to be anti mononopoly, kind of regardless of whether you come down and that's just the way things work in America at this point in time So again, the fact this might sound like Kauflin is somewhat on the left, he's not at all. That's he's just kind of going for the big populist interest at the time, which include a lot of trust busting. And Kauflin does add a shitload of antiemitism in the mix, which makes it clear that he is still just warming up a chunk of Nazi politics, right? It's just a slightly different chunk than the one Dilling finds appealing You know, obviously added to this mix he also puts a lot of hatred of the New deeal. Per an article in the Bentley Historical Library of the University of Michigan, quot The National Union for Social Justice teamed up with Francis Townsend, an activist and Gerald L. K. Smith, an organizer and white supremacist to form the Union partarty. The express goal of the Union Party was to unseat Roosevelt in the nineteen thirty six presidential election They put forward their own candidate, William Limkey, hoping Limkey could draw enough votes away from Roosevelt to allow Alf Landon, the Republican candidate to win. So again B trying to get Landon to win, both her and like Dyilling and Cauflin, but they're doing it in very different ways. Dillling is trying to support the Republican Party, the traditional way. Cauflin is trying to sabotage FDR's campaign by drawing votes away from Roosevelt so that Landon wins. That's what his hope for a third party is, right Now the problem is that Kaflin also, not only does he attach his name to this attempt, he makes a public promise that if the Union partarty doesn't get nine million votes in November, he will retire from public life. If I can't bring nine million votes to Livkey in November, Oh get off the air. You'll never hear from Father Kauflin again Had Father Kauflin moved nine million votes, that would have been twenty percent of the total votes cast in nineteen thirty six, which is a hell no one's ever had that kind of popularity. Fucking Joe Rogan could never have claimed twenty percent of the electorate moving because of his fucking actions. Father Kauflin is not even coming close to this, right? He fumbles historically. The Union party can't even get a million votes. Very funny Because he'd promised, Father Cauflin does briefly quit his radio show, although he comes back like two months later. somethingomething like that I never said I'd go away forever. I said I'd go away forever and I was going to. But then a friend of mine who just died on his deathbed, his last wish was that I start being on the radio again What could I do? I gott to say no to my friends dying wish Robert everything Kat and Robert, I promise my dying wish will not be that you do more podcasts. 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Just don't blame me Yeah, that's what testosterone supplements are for, you know, like fucking RFK Junr. who wants to stay swollen in his sixties even though he can't fucking do a proper bench press. My go man. like Jesus sorry embarrassment. No it's a fun. That's a fun tangent Yeah. so Father Kauflin quits his radio show and then he's like, oh, my friend's dying wish was that I would be racist on the radio one last die. So he goes back, but Cauflin can't go back to the simple life of a radio priest who made anti Semitic propaganda anymore. He's got the politics bug now and he can't quit. So he starts complaining on the air that the Vatican has been infiltrated by communist agents. Now here's the thing I'm not an expert on Catholicism But my understanding of the way it works is that if you are a Catholic priest, Hope is your boss It my guiddy employment situation. You're not supposed to just like get out in front of the media and say, my boss is being manipulated by communists secretly. Your boss might get pissed at you because you're not supposed to be talking shit like that. You're a subordinate to to the boat. right? And to these other anyway, Father Cauoughflin is getting out of pocket and he he's pissing off the rest of the Catholic hierarchy and he is that hierarchy. He's not a free agent. No Catholic priest is if they want to continue being a Catholic priest. It's kind of an important fact about how it fallen. So this sparks a chain of events that leads to Father Cauoughlin having his operating permit revoked and being taken off the air for another few months. And when he's taken off the air for the second time, Elizabeth Dillling feels his loss keenly She was convinced that her fave had only suffered so because communist agents had infiltrated the United States She formed the Patriotic Research Bureau, an organization dedicated to clearing Father Cauoughlin's name. She was its only member and put out a monthly bullet to her mailing list. As always, un soolicited donation. No, I mean, she has a lot of readers. She's the only likeailing Yeah And she solicits donations because she's got all these like anyone who's ever been interested in her shit. She has their address and she'll just mail them shit. and if they want to send her money, they'll send money back. And that's kind of what keeps her going. It's a proto Patreon type thing, right? I was a little Patreon Exactly, Dyling herself was very open about the small donations that kept her in business. And when you read her description of the things that fans sent her, it does sound weirdly like a modern like right wing crowdfunding kind of deal.Quote One woman who' in and this is Liz talking, one woman whose income was forty dollars a month and who was going blind, sold hundred dollar bond for seventy seven dollars and sent seventy five to Dilling, an elderly man who worked as a cement mixer sent her one hundred dollars and left everything he owned to Dilling in his will Right? This is kind of how she should be ashamed of her like putting out people right this is partly advertising, exxactly what you're saying. No no sorry. She interjected to you. This is shameful. The reason she's saying it this way is that like, so if you're sick and going blind and only have a little bit of money, you should send it to me because you know, you care about this country, right? Give me everything you've got. you know It is very much like that give till it hurts evangelical impulse. Yeah Cleanse your soul by giving me all your money That's right, That's right So yeah, she urged her Catholic followers. One of the other things I find funny is so she's not just soliciting for donations in a really modern crowdfunding way. She's attempting to like weaponize and turn her audience into a tool for her activism in a very modern way. She starts urging her readers who are Catholics to send letters to the Vatican, to flood the Vatican with letters, and a number of them do Beause she she prints a form letter with like her monthly issue of the bulletin that they could just fill out and send to the Vatican This form letter read, quote Holy Father, we plead for our Father Cooughflin, haveave him continue his radio broadcast in the same heartfelt way, not in censored platitudes which defeat the dignity God bestowed on man, but as an alter Christus, fearless and outspoken, going about doing his father's business, spreading the doctrine of the mystical body, a brotherhood of man with the Fatherhood in God ute thetheistic commommunism and other goddessisms, to continue to espouse the cause of the poor, for the rich have ample means. Holy Father, many of us were tricked by artful propaganda, but now we humbly ask your holiness to give us back our Father Cooughflin, as he should be, free and unrestrained and preaching the doctrine of Christ to the poor and to all who will listen So that's the form letter she puts together for these people. and Today I don't think the Vatican would respond to a handful of form letters being sent from some American cranks But this was the late thirties The idea that American Catholics could write letters and have them reliably reach the Vatican in just a couple weeks, that's a pretty new idea. In the nineteen thirties, random people have not been able to just send a letter to the Vatican. a very long time. That's a really new concept. And the church has zero experience dealing with a fan Rideen campaign. No one really has experience with fan Riden campaigns. And that's what this amounted to. If you wnder like why Star Trek is a thing, it's because they they organized after Star Trek got canceled the original series one of the first fan Riden campaigns. and like no one had mean, technically there had been some things like that before But it hadn't really ever happened before. And so for the first time bch of studio suits see like Fans sitting in letters about a show like, wait a second. Is there money in this? you know? Right? Like it's a similar thing here where like the Vatican is like, whoa, this must really mean a lot of people are pissed off at what we've did. If four or five letters have showed up in the Vatic. five letters I don't know how many show up exactly represent anyount R seemems like a lot back then because the church has no experience dealing with this sort of shit So the pope folds or at least someone in the Vatican folds. and by December of nineteen thirty seven, it was okay for Father Kouflin to take to the airwaves again in January of nineteen thirty eight Everyone was thrilled when he returned, and in short order, he forms a fascist club called the Christian Front, whichich kind of sounds like a militia in that it describes like Father Kouflin described it as a literal crusade against anti Christian elements in American culture Now is it not a militia? Did somebody borrow that? I hid it kind of was. Yeah, I think okay He was he was on the edge of trying to frame it as a militia. sure. But he doesn't he has to kind of pull back on this because not long after he introduces the Christian Front in nineteen thirty eight Christ Stalacht happens like the Nazis do Krystalnach in Germany and there's mobs breaking burning synagogues, breaking Jewish buildings, tear murdering people in the stet. all sorts of horrific shit. And the world's conscience is shocked. This is widely reported on and people are horrified In part because folks like Elizabeth Dilling had been saying there's no racism in Nazi Germany. They're just having to defend themselves periodically against the violence of the Jews. But it's entirely defensive. And this Kryistalnach makes it impossible to continue that lie, right Afterwards, the owner of Kaflin's main station demanded to take an early look at the script for his next broadcast like the day after Chrisalnach, this guy's like We need to look at what he's gonna put out beforefore we let that hit there probably smart. And sureure enough, he finds the script filled with angry and insane allegations against the Jewish people and he demanded changes. Father Couflin did alter the script, but in his final broadcast, he still claimed that Krstalnach hadn't been anyone's fault really, or at least it hadn't been any Christ fault. And so it wasn't something any Americans should concern themselves over. His attitude was more like this is just a natural reaction and part of because of all the bad things the Jews have done. But you know, to whatever you could blame maybe the goovernment of Germany for it has nothing to do with Christianity. and it's nothing Americans should be concerned by. and you shouldn't feel bad for these Jews really. You know That's t of his attitude. He's a massive piece of shit. He's one of the worst people who ever lived Now, this makes a lot of people very angry, but not Liz Dillling. She fucking loves Father Cough.. However, she soon had to devote her time to less enjoyable things. The nineteen forty elections were coming up. and once again, Dillling intended to do her part to replace FDR with a proper nationalists The fact that another World war was obviously coming made the concern even more immediate. Elizabeth couldn't bear to see the United States oppose Nazi Germany. In nineteen thirty eight, she actually visited Germany, attending the Nuremberg rally that year and loving it. She goes to a fucking Nuremberg rally. doing Oh yeah. Oh yeah. she could not be just the Naziest Nazi, whoever Nazi, this lady It's very funny. One of my favorite things because Liz Dyling, her writing is still somewhat popular among the far right today. In fact in like twenty eleven or so fucking Glenn Beck quoted her on a show and tried to get people to read, I think it was the Red Network. So she periodically comes back up, but you can find her writing on like outright neo Nazi websites. And I've read some articles from actual modern Nazis who will criticize her by being like, she didn't actually know anything about national socialist ideology. likeike she was not knowledgeable about the tenets of national socialism And they're right about this. Like Liz, I know more about Naziism than Liz Dillling ever did, right? Like she is not well read about what the Nazis believe, because all that matters to her is that they hate the Jews and the communists, right?ike And that's what really matters about Naziism, you know So Liz was never a Nazi in the sense that she actually understood a lot of what Hitler wanted, but she was a Nazi in the more important sense that she understood all that Hitler really needed her to understand about him, which is, you know, these people hate Jews and communists, right? You know, that's it. After World War two started in nineteen thirty nine, agents of the German state in the US tried to use Liz as a voice and she was invited to speak at the German American booned gatherings that year, while she extoed the virtues of the Germany that she had briefly seen. As the next presidential election wound closer, Liz again readied herself for feverish activity Unfortunately, there were again no Republicans who met with her approval Thomas Dewey had prosecuted the leader of the German American bond, and Robert A. Taft had worked for the AFL as a lawyer. Arthur Vandenberg, a conservative Michigan senator Dilling otherwise liked, backed the hated New Deal. Bereft of hope, Elizabeth pinned an essay about her breathless desire for a presidential man on a white horse. This is like one of the very first And you see bits of this today like like American conservatives yearning for like an American pinochet or an American Caesar. Elizabeth's the first person to really Write this out in a very direct way where she says, God, all we need is our own sexy, charismatic fascist. If only we had a Hitler. That's really she's the first right winger in America to write an if only we had a Hitler piece. And I'm going quote from Di's thesis here She proclaimed in her essay that there had to be a better candidate out there who could defeat Roosevelt Elizabeth encouraged the Democratic nominee to step forward and let it be known that he could end communism single handedly. The public enjoyed her so much that they felt encouraged to take up arms and look for a better presidential candidate. Eventually, Elizabeth came to terms as she did in the nineteen thirty six election that she must support the candidate who opposed Roosevelt. Without any type of enthusiasm, Dillling supported Wendell L. Wilkie for president And This doesn't work, you know, The situation is about as dire as it can be for Liz, you know, Democracies hanging in the balance. And so Elizabeth knows what she has to do. The only thing that can possibly defeat FDR's political machine and save the United States. She has to write a book so racist she can only publish it under a pseudonym It's the only way to win. It's the only way to save America How put it over my own country. Yeah. I gotta hunger down and write a book so racist that in nineteen forty, I don't feel safe putting my name as a white woman on it. Beautiful, perfect no notes. Also, The self hatred in that as well of people who take it more seriously under some other name probably. I'm assuming she chose a man's name Yes. Yeah today. Okay. I'm assuming correctly So The octopus was billed as an expose of the shadowy network of influence behind the New Deal in Roosevelt When you hear octopus and the title of something written by an anti Semite, anyone who knows their Nazi political cartoons, thinks of this image. Sobody's gonna to put it on screen right now. There's a few versions of this political cartoon, but these are all political cartoons from Nazi Germany that feature usually like a globe and then an octopus that's like reaching its tentacles out over the world and there's like a star of David on the octopus' head or over the octopus and the octopus has a face that's like a caricature of a Jewish man sometimes. There's a few variants of this you'll see, right? But it's like octopus an octopus meant to sort of represent the extensive Jewish conspiracy, right Um, yeah Dilling's book The Octopus was in fact so racist that the fake name she picked she can't just go with even a normal fake name. She has to make it the fake name of a religious leader so that maybe people won't find it as racist. So her pseudonym is the Reverend Frank Woodruff Johnson Okay. Yeah. That'll make people ignore the racist. That'll do. My friend Frank Woodruff Johnson As Di explains, quote, When people wrote to Dillling with questions about the Jewish faith, she often referred them to Johnson's fine book. The Jews can never prove that I'm antis Semitic, she said. I'm too clever for them I think I think I might be able to prove you're anti Semitic. Thatent for example does a good job alone does it. Yeah. yeah, that really that's really all I gott to do. Yeah, that's the Bechel cast for antisemitism right there. The Bechel test. Yeah. Dyilling arranged for Hudson, a jubaiting pamphletteer in Omaha, Nebraska to distribute her book. For an idea of how bad the book was, I'm just going to read you one brief snippet from the text Did Americans get a truthful impression from the press about the communist, socialist, anarchist church burning Spanish government strongly favored by jewelry This is her part of her talking about like during the Spanish Civil War, how like the like anarchists and kind of left wing elements would like light Catholic churches on fire because in part they were also opposing the Catholic Church which was backing the Francoist regime. And she's divorcing all of that from its historical context and just saying the Jews did it. The Jew Jews burnt all the churches. Yeah And also just that like the church building' favored by jewelry. We took a poll and they all love it. In a shock turn of events, the octopus was not a bestseller and did not impact the election in any way. The United States entered World War two. no matter how much, Father Cauflin and Liz Dillling shouted that it shouldn't. Liz was also an active member of the America First Committee and helped to found the Mothererss Movement, which was a protest campaign that was like a last minute attempt to try to shame America into not entering the war against the Nazis. And here's how Lillian Greenwall describes the Mothererss movevement that this is like kind of her last big hurrah at trying to create a political movement