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God Isn't that crazy that like what is it called a parasynthetic relationship Yeah whereere you feel like you know someone because you follow them. like Mary Tyler Moo, You watch every episode. You feel like you're a friend. That's why I feel like I'm part of the state. Yeah. That's right. I This movie is more The state anything Joose Archy I have to say this So my my sense of comedy has changed drastically since I fell in love with the state. You were the guy you were the guy, is this stuff we need to get on camera? It's on. Oh this is on. Yeah. Okay. You're the reason I liked the state. You were the guy I thought I could get along with the most. And then because you were just I did my bulls. And so and and I and all our boys were like, that's our guy But then we realized like there were little parts of it that we were like, you know, Like Like Mikeaely and Black's really fucking funny Dave. And then we were like, wow, you know All these sketches we really like David Wayne seems to be in. and And then we're like, oh, Michael Showwalter is like and then we're like, oh, this is This really and then all of us had a course on Carry. all of course. And the Jew, the Italian and the redhead gay. We all live together on Avenue A. We The Jew, the Italian and the red head. Gay Yes Kevin Allison. Kevin Allsis is great And then but the Jew, the Italian and Kevin Allison is Kevin Allison Is he still gay M Yes. Okay. In fact, he just moved just two underling how gay he is. sounds that's all bleve So u, but but u But uh It's so funny I think you should belieleep when he says it, but not when you say it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.. Are there some sponsors that have with? No no. So I start the movie. I'm going to be very real I start the movie Now I don't like I don't like movies. No, no. I love movies. I don't like I don't like Low budget movies. No, what how would you define the very beginning of this? It's almost like those movies where the wives are all perfect and the street like Edward Cissor's Hands. Sure. You don't like small town No, remember Edward Cissor' handands had a vibe to it where everyone wass like, hi, Brenda. Right stylized. L lookort like our town, Yeahah,ah, that' sort So I don't like those. So it starts and I don't like the husband in this. I don't like the husband. Jennif Anderson shows up, my go, I fucking love Jennnerer Anderson I'm not going ruin the movie. I want you to see the movie., What do you mean don't the husb? I don't like I didn't like the husband. I thought it was Andy Sandberg at first And then it wasn't. Right. And then but the way he's delivering lines, that energy. Wait a second But you can't say that to I love the husband. He's a great actor. He's a great actor. I'm talking about I'm watching it. I'm just watching Let him have his own feeling about it. And then Yeah, but I'm not gonna let him feeling about it one of the actors. No, no, no, no, no, no, you're allowed to not like charac. By the way hold on, stop. That's why I said, is it the actor or the person? Oh, it's it's the character. It's the character. character. The character. by the way,, I was want to say that the husband's written to not like Yeah. Yeah., yeah, okay. I't want to how did my lemon get so big So so there all of a sudden And I'm trying to define lately what what I like in comedy. All of a sudden I find that I'm crying, laughing at everything and how layered it is. And they don't make layered movies anymore. I find layered movies that I feel like I've gotten into comedy where I can notice when it's layered. And this one I did not notice And I was crying, laughing And I sent a video to Jimmy Tetro who's my friend who Zoe is the lead in this I cried fromom the second your characters showed up, cried laughing until the very end. It was and I have to say It is the purest form of entertainment in that you are removed from any of the An of the stylization of it is perfect for it Whereas I didn't get and I think people maybe won't get stylization at first But the stylization is perfect for it And it was The most state thing as I'm watching, I went, Wh whyy wouldn't it be? It's baloney feet. It's fucking it is And it is The hardest I've laughed in a movie Eily fifteen years and I'm being dead serious. I was me so happy. I laughed so hard. And at the very beginning, I'm just like really confused And then and I really was. I'm being serious. and then totally you have to settle into what the tone is because it's not like other movies toally or most comedies out there right now. challenging to know how to like dive into where we're going with. Set the tone.. And so it takes it takes a couple of minutes to be like, oh, this is the tone of the movie. But did you know, you guys wrote it together. Did you write it How much of the vision was on the paper before you even go into the first scene that you shoot We wrote this script actually quite a long time ago, just for ourselves, just in a room. deffinitely was We were like, the feeling about it was like, who no one's ever going to let us make this. Let's just write anything we feel like, you know, And then So it's just always made us laugh and we're just like But yes, I think what we shot is pretty close in spirit and in a lot of ways to what we first wrote. But Go ahead? No No, but in terms of like knowing what the tone is, we just write what we think is funny And ye, but you've done And I'm only saying you because you've done different styles of comedy like like as an actor. Yeah. And so when I watch this, this is like You have to, not Joe and not you, not Kevin U not but like not the state on Cerry Cry is so great in this I mean, she is she is the She's always great. She's always great, but godamn it. I mean, I like I can't I'm going to watch it again and again. it It almost was like a documentary of comp like of laughter. I could watch this a hundred times. and you making me so happy man. It is so Fucking hysterical the D when So starting with Zoe and I just using her as an example and I kind this is Zoe Deutch P people oe Deutsch sorry Allright Do you have to in the first scene, do you have to not tell her how to act, but you have to give her the vibe? Is it does she get the vibe when she gets the costume is like, how does that work? Well, I think that Part of the reason we worked with Zoe is because she was loved some of the stuff we've done before. and so I feel like We try to pick people that kind of get it on some level and whether there are people that we've worked with forever or new people in our world like Zoe that just seem to understand and appreciate what we're doing and want to learn how to be part of it. And Zoe read the script and responded to it. So that's your first kind of Yeah you know, most people read that she's gonna, you know most people had to read the script and don't understand. No Well, some people might be like, I don't it's not that I don't get it or it's not you know, like for years though, people read the script and were like, this is no, there's no chance. No. Really. And so when we found those people that read it and we're like, Ohh my God, we got is this is the funniest thing ever we gott make this, then we're like, okay, you're on our team now Same with, you know, John Ham and Slattery. Yeah, you know, same thing. Slattery read it and he's like, Ohh my Godd, this is ridiculous. I went in I have obvious se room phone look. The slack manan. is the greatest fucking actor that's ever been is absolutely He is. I hope he hears this He has redefined the way I see him as an actor. I mean is he is every Word, every delivery is. Perfect is Fucking and he never and this is the the grazing playing himself in the movie. And he never takes it too far That's like there's a thing I've noticed and I think it's because we no longer shoot on film becausecause we can do unlimited takes, sometometimes you see actors and there was a movie I just watched where I was like Hey man, you guys, you should have I'm going edit this out but it was And I watched it and I wanted to laugh and I didn't laugh at all And I went, Oh someone should have told them they should write the lines down before they get to the scene instead of improving the whole thing. because I feel like you guys are like, Gys, it's Go And you know, I feel sometimes as an actor, it's so much easier when you have parameters, you have guidelines to stay within. It can be a trap. It's something we've thought about a lot over time in making movies. And there's no, I don't think there's any right or wrong way. There's some incredible movies that are largely improvised. I think many Filmakers have fallen into the trap of Leaning too hard into riffing on the day versus thinking it through ahead of time and Riffing on the day. And not once in this movie, Joah Tulys. I mean, I know there's a there's a freedom. I mean, a lot of times people think that we you know, a lot of our stuff is improvised But we take a lot of pride in writing lines that we think are funny, and so we want people to, you know do them. And then, you know, if they want to riff after that, that's great But this movie is an example of that. Like you know, we wrote the script and we thought it was funny and people There's a certain freedom an actor has when they know that they don't have to improvise. Yes. And they can just go deeper into the line that's written and find the funny within the line orr the funny different you got that you had. in it was your subtlety and your intonation at certain times. I mean Can I tell you what made me laugh the hardest? you know, I've loved you guys for ire care My entire careerci been a number And I only took a job at Comedy Central one time because Jim Sharp was producing it and I wanted to talk about the fucking state But the wasn't Who knows dont I don't even know if he's still is he still? what's he doing? He's retred retred He retired. He was the best. He was the best. the best he did. Do you know what he did? I told him, I said, I don't wantan to do the show And he was like, we're probably not going to make it. We're just making a pilot And he goes, why are you doing it And I said, I'm obsessed with the state. And he goes, A you serious? I said, Yeahah. Hees He goes, That seems like a lifime ago. And I said, I go, I'm obsessed. He goes, You know, I've got the best of the state. I can get you a copy. And I was like, arere you serious? And he was like, it's VHS. And I was like, I don't give a fuck. I bought a VHS player to watch the best of the state. I read state by state. mean'm like I watched men fucking behaving badly.' so sorry. No hold on. Hold on. No, it was al right. It was okay. It was men behaving badly was great. It was on Fox on Sunday nights.. Like the dumbest thing The dumbest things in the movie are the things that I know made you guys laugh the hardest and made me laugh the hardest Obviously The the roll of tape is the the roll of film is so fucking funny. but more importantly the this. And then it stays up And then it stays up and then like stays up for an unusual amount of time, like an unrealistic amount of time. It's just it's like taking the time to do certain things and then sometimes the crew is like, what is this? Can we move on? J just trust we have to Wait, just get somebody up on the ladder and just drop it into the frame when we you really think this is going to be funny and it's like it's going to work for us There's there's I mean, the fucking lines in it. it's like ye Yeah, there's one hundred and thirty dead men out by the. old film studio and it seems like it was just circulated by the same six men over and over and over again. I mean, the line that leftughed me the hard hardest was Zoe when she's tied up And now can I tell you, I can I just kind of I want to get into the weeds on this? Go ahead. So I saw that Well what's the line? Are you going gonna to say? I'm gonna say I'm going say everything I saw Im curious to see if if you if it was a misdct I saw her shoes. Yeah And I went, that's why he needs me to see her shoes. Now, did you throw in the joke after you wanted to reveal the shoes 'cause the shoes are a very important part of that movie. And I kind of got the movie. I knew what I was watching before you told me what I was watching. And you have to tell everyone towards the end what they're watching. And it's so great. And if you don't know what you're watching, like my trainer, I don't think still knows what he watched I really don't think he does. But when you know what you're watching, when I saw the shoes, I went, I knew it. I fucking knew it. Now did the joke come after because you had to reveal the shoes I think I know what you're asking. and the answer is that that was That element in the movie was there from from the script always, and it was just it's a question of different people who watch it kind of glam ono what's happening at different points in the movie, and we love that In fact, we show the shoes Ry as she's going through customs at not customs, security security at the airport at the very beginning the movie. She holds them up Right to the camera. Yes By the way, and so great to make it A chase a chase it's a journey movie but a chase movie Like there's I'm obsessed with story right now. like there's what five, six stories you can tell. And you kind of told all of them. and that was and there's only one other movie that's told all of the stories in one movie and that is her You got it. You didn't have to tell me. This guy is a her head That is the hardest I've ever laughed and easily he. but in watching a movie. But what was your question about the ankle That's the hardest. But I wanted to know if if you wanted to reveal the shoes as a filmmaker just so that we saw the shoes, and then you went, well, we can't just reveal the shoes and show their feet are tied. We need a joke there to have a reason to have revealed her shoes. I don't think we thought that complicated about it. I did. You ever noticice how food tastes better when you're really looking forward to eating it? 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It's so good It's it's, I think it's all it's a mash upp of all of them. is John Trau C someone a boat No, no, no, no Someone Hey someone that works here? What is that John Toro does a version of Duck Su does And it's hysterical and we saw it on accident in Aspen during sppring brereak when we thought spring brereak was going to be crazy filled with chicks and it was not. And it was just nine dudes in a one in a studio loft in Aspen smoking weed and waiting for women to show off on Toro and it came on And we went We were like, what is this? And we cried laughing. Now I was not into comedy yet. I had not met you guys. I hadn't discovered the state, but that's as far as I had gotten and What Brain donors Ands that's a remake of Duck Sh It's a remake of the Mararks Brothers. I think's homage to the Marks Brothers films. I gotta check this out. I don't know anything about I love John Turum. Yeah. and I great. And so then from that we watched we went on And this is when you had to fucking do research to find out what the fuck you just watched. Right, right. We went on and watched all the Marx brothers And that style of comedy is very But I'm curious if you find this to be more of an eror because Someone in the room goes, Oh, this is like scary movie. and I stopped. I got so angry. I go is so much better. Scary movie is like is like saying yo If you're under the bell curve of the IQ This movie' for you. This is above the bell curve. It is the same stylized movie but above the bell curve where I mean They're like Fucking Paul Rud. That's his best role he's ever done. It's the best thing he's ever done of small parts. Pretty great When he winks at me I went That's why I love fucking Paul Rud. That I'm so curious. Some of the people watching this are going to be like, this sounds like something I'm definitely not going to watch. And by the way, I kind of like well then let's talk about this. What is what are we talking about with distribution? Beuse I don't know I want to know budget. I want to knowrib You don't have to tell that here right now, but you're gonna have to tell me. But like what are we doing with distribution? Basically, well, we made this for very small independent budget give me like you don't have to tell me the exact number, but Be like way, way, way under I want you got to watch it with other people. You have to watch it with. It's coming out in theaters. It's coming out. It's a real theatrical release. Sony Pictures cllassics. Coming out on july tenth it's going to have an actual real release in theaters and it's awesome. It's very exciting for us. I want to get high and watch it. G to watch it. I just want to watch it over because there was like probably you'll see a lot more. It There were nine times when I went, wait, what did he call him? like you called Daru What on why wait Lar Wait, why did you call him that? A ditu? ditu is what my buddy and I would always call each other. So our daughters, we call it Das. And you comeress? Yeah I called him a tor you. Yeah Lean, where the hell are you? Goddamnit. I'm so I'm G glad Iked this movie. I'm so glad you likek this is exciting. This is my favorite podcast I've ever been Partly to answer your question What's it becausecause it's celebrating this thing we did. We've made a few movies that are really just kind of for us. like no one was telling us to do like our old movie The T. And then I did this movie, they came together with Mike S Alter, which was a straight up silly genre parody One and Red H American Summer similarly, we took these movies to Sundance and a lot of the audience, some of the people were like, this is incredible. We love comedy, but a lot of the people were like, what the fuck is this? No, no. And audiences were generally like, no, no. and commerce was like, no, no. And then we took this one of Sun Anance and it seemed like it was a different thing. Like the big audience and the big premiere Sunance was like more uniformly like, yeah. Yeah. you know, and I think it feels good. like people are kind of catching up to what we're doing or something. Do you feel like it's because you guys collectively, I say collectively and I know you guys have done stuff independently entirely But collectively when you guys get together, you have a sense of humor and you' always combating fighting against what are commercial comedies, which was You know, for lack of better words, like commercial comedies. I don't know the right way to say it, but it was it was more for the ft fraternity appealing to the masses. Yes. And what you were doing had such an independent vibe even when they were commercial, like went out American Summer When Michael and Black takeakes guy into the shed and fucks him in the ass, is the greatest Brady Coopers Romantic. fuck Bry Cooper in the.' Brad C cp.'srady Cooper.'srady Coopers first mov First part and anything Go watch it again. This is the twenty fifth anniversary summer Wot American summer is Al also coming out theaters again this summer It is as you know it's the only reason I trust my buddy Tony Hernandz, You know Tony Hernandez It's the only reason I trust Tony. He makes my TV show right now. He's done all my specials. The only reason I trust him is he didn't know who the state was when he started working for you. And then he figured out throughout that. and then he worked on he worked on Stella, the TV show. He worked on Louis worked he's done everything since But he was like, dude, these guys were funny. He was fucking because Tony Hernandez said that and that's not who he is. I was like He's got it. He's figured out. he's gotten good comedy Tony was my assistant. I remember Tony You werere telling the audience. Oh yeah, but it seems like you were telling me, 'cause you werere telling in the telling you to tell them So' like, well, they're right there too. Oh, where? They're everywhere. Oh shit, I didn't know, ' that's not my good son. Hi I'm buzzing this up. Today we're gonna to make what are we making? Sri Lankan food? It's Sri Lankan lobster. Oh yeah.. It's gonna to be fucking great. I'm gonna parboore the lobster for f. I think it's Sri Lankan coconut? No, it's just appropriation Just that I'm making it, it's more Great. Okay, what are an'sier thing about sccary moovie though, like Weike we did this movie, they came together, which is pretty much straight up genre spoof. Yeah. Technically, it's the thing as Scary movie, but we don't We just do things that feel like our own personal thing, like we don't takeake We don't take a cue from what we think an audience wants to see or what other people are doing. We just try And that goes all the way back to the state. just our goal always has been Are we making each other laugh Are we making each other laugh? Do we think this is funny? And then hopefully there's going to our thought was there'll be people out there who respond to the same things that we're responding to. We never try to to do it for somebody other than us first. We try to do it for us. Okay, we think this is funny, and then we put it out there and It's so great for a bunch of kids to do that Now, I've been doing stand up now one is twenty seven years And just recently I got to the place where I went line. I don't need to write it for someone. I need to write the thing that I think is very funny. Meaning like even if it's true and it doesn't get the biggest laugh, it doesn't matter. I want someone to get it. And the biggest compliment you can get in comedy is for your thing that you found funny for someone to borrow it and incorporate it in their life and it become their inside joke. Yeah. The state did that for me I wish you had half the heart of Balologna feet. The state did that for me. I feel like we're talking about two separate things. I feel like we're saying a lot of things that we don't mean. No. I love the fucking tacos. They might in fact be the best tacos I've ever had. The problem is I can't pay my bills if I don't get and receive my mail. really. I mean you have no idea. It defined my sense of humor. It's not what I do But it got me you're not gonna look that crap, are you? What? No, you're not eat We're not gonna eat that crap. taco time down the street.. We actually recreated that sketch on stage just a couple of years ago when we went on tour. It was really fun. Did you not come see the tour? No no, ' Beuse you were on tour. like Because you were selling out gigantic menu. It's like I was I'm just saying this stuff. I don't actually like it. Yeah guys, Gys, I'm really good at research. I just researched the bow My whole thing and it was fun as a fan is to go Kevin Allson showed up. I went Kevin Allson. and I did this to my wife in the car the other day. I went, who did designed my first website I said, Steve Axworthy because I'm getting older and I' want to make sure I can recall things. Call Axworthy. Yeah, Steve Axworthy did my. And But I go Kevin Allison. I saw him with that Kevin fucking Allison I did that throughout the movie. I tried to figure out who was playing kid, the younger Asian kid, the fourth year I don't know if you' He's a phenomenal phenomen. He's great. You know, he's the new He was thearate kid this year He plays the lead in the new Karate kid movie. And He's also in hung games and he's doing a million. I didn't in hungerames. don'tay that's not out yet.'ll see a newunger. I was like I was like, yeah, I don't remember that. But great. He was so funny, great Pomenal. Great young man. phhenomenal. Everyone in this cast By the time we get For lack of better words, the gang together by the time that happens The second it happens, the second your character tells his story I'm I am off to the races and I am I am so committed to that fucking movie I'm going to have a live screening where I invite fans and I don't know how we'll get I'm going to get the theater myself because I want to laugh with strangers. Let us know, because you know, maybe we'll have to come to Atlanta I would love that. And then we can do your cameo on your new show Parboyil No By the way, all I could think was, you know, I think we offered You Yeah, yeah, please. I think we offered oh yeah, I can do that. I can do that. Yeah. Yeah. I think we offered you to direct the machine. Yes, way back. And I can't imagine what that movie would have been nowough. Like it's so funny. you were like, it's not right for me. and I went I was like, but you're my favorite. And then And you were like, it's not right for me. I think it's great. I think it's going to be awesome, but it's not right for me. Wish I had said no to things in the past going, that's not right for me, knownowing what I'm good at Be you are Incredible. I mean, incredible. A knowing what you like and knowing what makes you laugh. I mean, for better or worse, I do say no to a lot of things and then, you know, who knows, who knows if it was the right move, I would I would love, um You know, there's so many sliding doors. likeike what if I had said yes to that or that, but, you know Well I did love the machine. I thought Oh well, thank you very much. The I'm curious because I feel like When you guys all started the state, did you feel like You had the you had the most I feel like mainstream U head start on everyone. because you guys got you got on Fox immediately. You guys sold to CBS, I think, correct Yeah, but That was still after we did the state. Yeah, that was that the state sort of had to stop stop tryrying to do stuff because we weren't making any money. everybody needed to pay the rent. Look at that lobster you got you really not kidding. No, no, I got' exciting. Fucking lobsters Well that was my favorite food. You didn't really know that. No, I knew that. Yeah, Ch when P it But you know, you were saying like to be young kids and to be so sure of our vision and stuff. that came because we were a big group in college and we all sort of egged each other on to be confident in what we were doing and We went into MTV as twenty two year olds and we're very cocky about it for better or worse The executives would tell us Hey, let's do this with that. And we're like, no, fuck you We know what we're doing. You don't for better or worse, for sure Yeah. I'm at the point right now where I go, I want to go back and try to do what only would I like I want to be where you guys have been your whole career Bea I feel like I've just done the exact opposite. I've worked for Travel Channel for nine years. So sort of struggling to pay our bills What is? But wait, what's N not that lucrative to be an artiste. Okay. Sometimes it's fun It's I'll tell you, the payoff from my direction is fucking phenomenal I love I wish I had more of a backbone artistically. U I do in stand upp, that's the only place Even when I get a script, don' and I know you're probably not like this I'll get a script and I just had a conversation last night I at the script in and I go, it's not great, but I can fix it. I'll fix it when we get there Like, when I'mll I'll be apart it I should just say, I don't like it I don't I don't know. I mean I think that, you know, just the way this town works is a lot of times you're never going to get something that's absolutely perfect. And everything and everything could be done like when I first read that movie that ultimately turned into role models, I was like, this doesn't sound for me. It doesn't make sense. Really Yeah, but it was a big opportunity. It was the first chance to do a studio movie. and under pressure, we Fook that me and Ken and Paul Rud and turned it into something that felt more like our own thing. and then it was I couldn't possibly say, no, we shouldn't have done that.. Oh my God, it's such an incredible movie. Yeah is such. So what is the goal with this? Are we got to go to a streamer, go into movies, make the budget back. I don't even know how budget mo Yeah. Yeahah, yeah. Well we we so we sold it to Sony Pictures glasses out of suund. Lets to how all of this works Beuse I can balance with you I don't know how it works. Well, there's no absolute models anymore. like sol ch but we actually did this in the more cllassic way that we might have done in the old days of Sundance, like when I first brought Wet Hot American Summer there, but we sc we made the movie with independent financing a group of investors. So so Egyptians or Saudis. Chinese actually. Chinese. Okay. so I want like is there a producer that goes, I can get money? Yeah. And then and that person's on the list of people One of the two women I'm guessing We found no, one of our producers is named Christine Jane. She's incredible because she and but her main contribution is she found this incredible group of investors, you know. And so then she goes to them and says, because I'm curious how group and I whatever it sounds like it sounds like A group of Chinese guys who I'm sure didn't grow up on the state are like What are Yeah, we can give you Also Rbert from Shark Tank Yeah, he was That's right. They told me when we werere watching like he's an investor. But like how do they go? Give us three million dollars and we can get your money back and then some. It just seems like a crazy investment. Well, I do think that investing in independent films is a crazy investment. so most people do it you know, because they want to do it and they want to be involved in project. They understand the downside, but they hope for the upside and there is an upside. It can't happen. like, you know, and so in this case We we took it to Sunance and then the distributor pays a fee to I apologize, I'm going to get on the weeds on this. So you get the money We get the money They give us the money. We make the movie. Before we get the money, we have to say, you know, like part of it, you attach people like so Zoe came on, John came on Slattery came on and that's then then then that helped them get the money Right? becausecause that helps them go, okay, we can get our money back because it's not You know, It makes them feel comfortable. And then we get a crew on that they know is a real crew and we get it bonded and we get it insured. And then we have the money now and they're like, okay, let's all take a risk together. And we spend a year of our lives and they spend Xra amount of their money And then we make the movie and then it's done and we're like, okay. And then we submit it to Sundance Film Festival. And luckily they said yes and we got in And then we screen it there. And then all the distributors who are looking to byy movies seeee it and then and that is Sony. Sony is saying And I'm only saying this because I know the old model was Fox owned the theaters Th then Fox said, we'll get you, I gott to take this out. Uh, no Um Fox own the theatater. Sony owns. No, like Sony's just like that that that was made illegal at one point. Yeah. So Sony is a distributor. They make deals with theater chains and they have movies that they more market and advertise and placed in theaters around the country, and then eventually put on Netflix and etcetera And so that's what they do. Has marketing become a thing somewhat of the past these days? Well, I would say, as you know ninety percent of it is we have to do it This is marketing. This is. This is marketing. And I hope it works. I really hope it works. I hope that you know what? 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And part of the deal is like you know, part of the deal was, oh, we're going to be in theaters and then at a certain point it's going to go to a certain streaming. C we say what streams? Yeah. You know, It's whatn Netflix Oh, fuck, yes That's That meakes excited. People watching. I know you're going to want to know, is there an internet URL for that? And it is wWW dot netflix dot com And you can go on there and you can not now, but someday you'll be able to see our movie there I wonder And they also have it now One which I have. No, you do not I do not have the app What happened? Oh, I got to do this. You got to wrap that s bitch in. Otherwise, you know, you don't want like a blade flying out. I'm old enough that when the first Cuisinartts came out it was like You had to be I'm pulling the Barboro lobsters out What? Yeah, you got it? What Oh yeah. Um wait, how old are you? fifty six. Do you do you talk about like I lately I've been like talking about That's wrong one. Proudly, Genx Oh, I'm Genax But you're like authentic Gen X. Yeah. I read the book Gen X by Douglas Copelin and then was like, oh, that's me, but it was't me. Like In't written Yeah younger. Yeah. But I always fifty three. Okay Um But I had someone the other day It was forty two Say, ye, you're my age and I went, Yeah, right? And he goes, Yeahah, what are you forty two? And I went fifty three and he went, You're that fucking old And I went easy. Get out. I think fifty three is a new forty two personally. Sure. Yeahah. Ken's over sixty, I think. No, you're not. I'm not over sixty now.. Wait, how are you? I'm fifty seven. C can't keep track. look You look phenomenal Like that's crazy. David, you look your age, but no I look great. But I look great. You look great, Daveid. I feel great. You great feel great. I tell you look I told you you know I told you this one time You've aged better. You've gotten more attractive the older years agree. That's what they say young David Wayne was not The best looking guy oldolder David Wayne I think Davy was handsome. I do think he's gotten handsomer. Yes, a hundredcent. Thank you I thought you were young When I first met you, you had the long hair and the big hairy chest and you on your Apple computer And and I was like, who's this guy's handsome guy? And then, who's this guy' a handsome guy? That's I'm sure the first thought handsome who's this hand Creg. And then and but then but over time now You playay tennis all the time, youre fit, you look good. You're handsome. You got salt and pepper. We've talked about this. We still haven't played though. I play tennis. This is your TV wife. This is stressing me out. Oh, that's Gard. Yeah. Can you take the little the spatula without it yet? then you it. Yeah, just push it out. I know. It's making me crazy too. Kevinarino is a great cook, by the way Are you really? G this get this here. I'm gonna go with a little bit of Yeah, a little stock. there you go. And then now just push this in there before you go. There you There you go. Every Christmas Ken has a feast of the fishes. Not anymore. I used to. Well, I used to All right, perfect, thank you I getting little I getting a little anxious. Yeah that's moving a little bit. Pulse it the other way.se Does it go the other way? It should. should be It should be a different way that it goes one way and then there's a pulse and then there's a puree. No? No We'll go a little more stock The um Wait When you guys came out, were you guys like family when you guys came out Like when everyone came out to LA, where did you guys like hang out and everything? Yes. And that's like the coolest thing ever. Yes. Well, we were very absolutely wonderful. We were magical. were. Oh this now it's moving then. There you go Now we're tal Look at that. Look at that. Yeah, look at that. Wh on it gets going? There we go There we go Now you wantan to stop one more time. now push the hard step that didn't get to dance with all that other stuff and get that stuff on the side one more time Yeah, all of it, all those onions all that great. You're telling him what to do. This is something's burning. No, I love it. I love it. You have no idea. this is like a dreamurn. That means I mean the implication is he's burning something. Yeah, that was the whole premise. That was the whole premise of the show wasn't origin. I thought I would just, you know, help out I couldn't cook. But I was bringing my friends in to watch me fuck things up. Yeah There you go, baby That's great Aow, sexy Yeah, ye Oh yeah H God. answer your question. We spent every day together at NYU doing the state. and then we spent every day together for our early twenties doing the state. and then so. It really just bonded us as a family forever. and we still we talk every day. likeike you know, we think that's the coolest thing. It it our whole group So incredibly unusual and absolutely magical and wonderful. So who brought Rud in Well, you know it's interesting Uh Zach Orth. had done that movie Romeo and Juliet, the Bos Lehman one. Paul Rudd was in that. was they Paul Rudd did that? Yeah. Do you know Zach Worth as you say that I go Zack North was in Wet Hown American summer. He was one of the guys who wanted to get Michaelan Black and Bradley Cooper L Lade. Yeah, he's the for lack of better word, shorte shorts a little overweight, like a little bit of him. Yeah I know him. Yeah. So anyway, he is so great. but he was friends with us, Michael Schowwalter and he got to know Paul Rudd on that movie. And so in the late nineties, we met Paul and he came to see our show that Michael Schowwalter and Joel Lulio and I wrote called Sex AKA Wieners and boobs in New York And u From that moment, he was like, whatever you guys are doing, I like it. And so we asked him to be in what H American summer at that. Really crazy what Americanans. I mean You know, it's it's what do you like better A commercial classic or a cult classic So as a fan As a fan and then as the person that' made them In comedy? In comedy. I mean, they're both great. L commercial classic would be like, what? like Wh's Prana? Taladeaga Knights? Tal Da Kights is a commercial classic. R O Anch Or Anchor Man, rather? Anchor Man. I like Anchor Man as much as Id like cult comedies I like them all Yeah obviously I mean, I would say career wise, we I we have leaned towards more cultty. Oh, is he asking what we do? Yeah, we do as fans but also like when we did role models, it was so cool to kind of Our cult background and sensibility meeting with a stududio needs, it was a really cool collaboration, and I think it pushed us to do things in ways that we hadn't done before. It was really awesome. I zoned out. What were you talking about? I don't know. No what show were you talking about? The states? Rle model. A role model. And but then to go back and do something like this movie, Gale Dae and the celebrity sex passasswar We literally there wasn't a single anybody telling us anything. Do you feel like U do you feel like industry notes? have gotten better I think it just depends on who it is, giving the note. reallyally? But I think It really does. We've worked with really great producers who only just plus up what we're doing And then I've worked with bad producers who are just trying to do their job or trying to serve their ego or whatever and make it and mk it up But I feel like I personally respond to movies and shows and anything that feels like it's coming from a singular vision of some kind where it's like somebody's giving a personal Chesive look at something and comedies where you feel like it's done by committee and the marketing department, obviously just you can feel it immediately. You can definitely feel it. I feel like there's That's what the thing was great about this is it gave off a real vibe of. Oh, they're laughing hysterically. and there's a I this is the thing I love the most And there's a couple of guys on set that like, I don't f and get it, man. Like a couple like arip guy like a grip guy going Yeah man, that's not for me. It's a job. And that's's a job and and then Like we had a woman on on our show Free Birt. Who was like I'm so sorry You're telling me that this guy is going to take his shirt off. I'm not sure I want to be working on this. And then they were like Hang on, do you have any idea who he is? J like no. There's going to be children in the room and you want a shirtless man? And they were like Yeah, and then we started going like, wait, are we wrong? Like maybe she's right But its you get those all the time. And that's kind of those are the fun people. when you find out they don't get it, you're like, oh yeah, nice. I always remember when we were doing our show, Stella on Comedy Central because it was about the three of us acting really, really dumb. And we had these seasoned people on the camera crew And I was also directing it. And so I'd be like, guys, mooon camera and hearing, do this Okay, hereere we go and action.. And they were like, what the fuck job is this? Can I leave Oh man But congrats on second season. That's so great. Thank you Yeah, I real hit yeah, I don't know if I mean, I think people like it, but I like it So like that like that matters. Yeah, and I've only liked my standup. Like I've never like everything else I likeed is I hope people like it. And then this one I was like Oh, I really like this and I And I was married to things in it in the script that I wanted that I was like that needs to be in Jesus Christ, what's that all about You dropped it But like but like what's so did you have the concept? I hate to make this all about this fucking movie, but I really loved it. where I guess it should be all about the movie. We love that too. Did you have the Motif. I don't want to spoil it. because I want people to figure it out I like that I like that we're teasing, there's this motif that you're not we're not going to say what it is. That's fun Yeah it' almost like the picture of John Ham. I likeked that. you didn't show me what that was until You're seeing God damnit. J right son of a bitch I'll get I'll know what it mean I know what it means. That's one of my favorite moments in the movie. But I liked it. But didid you have the motif early on or did it come to you? No, it was very it was basically at a certain point we were writing the script You know, we're like coming up with a structure is hard. let's steal one Real Yeah, we like the celebrity passass idea and we're like, okay, so you know, you can go any direction you want And we're like, well, if we steal it like enough steal. I mean, if we if we use adapt A structure If we adapt a structure, then we can then it'll at least give us a North Star to kind of head towards. Gives us some fun guardrails to. And so we did. And then we were like, we don't have to honor it all the time. We just have to kind of use it to keep us going forward. because I don't know if you know this about it. The three movies that we've movies, well we've done four movies, but the three movies that we've written, just you and I, we've done this thing where we've written we lock ourselves in a room, a room for a seven days straight And we write for twelve hours a day. We start with no idea at all. And at the end, the goal and we have to leeave the seventh day with a first draft of something And we've done that for the ten, Wanderlust and this. Really? And then we over the course of you the next year, two years, however long, we then do a rewrite of that script. But Yeah. Part of the inspiration for doing that was when you go on a shoot, you know, you get there at seven in the morning and you're there ttill seven eight at night That's just the way it is because of you have to get it done. And so we figured, why not do writing like that? you know? Yeah, it makes sense ' you go When you start a project, everyone's like you're like, wait, are we sure we're going to be ready in June And they're like, yeah, it has to be. And a weird way it does have to be. And then all of a sudden you get into the moment where everyone's working on the script and you're like, oh this is If you just spend all your time working on it, you'll get through it. Yeah, you'll get to it. Yeah So then what was so it started with a celebrity pass? Started with the idea of like exploring the notion of celebrity pass. and then we came up with the basic setup of the story that's in the movie about a couple that has this celebrity pass agreement and then the husband to be makes good with his celebrity. and so now the wife to be has to ends up in Los Angeles and ends up on this journey to find her celebrity John Hn. That's the premise of the movie. U, and We start Yeah, we just basically beat it out and just again, as always, we're just sitting in front of the computer or king walking around the block and talking and just thinking about what makes us laugh. What's It's funny and the thing that I always remember in the writing process was We were sitting there and it was, you know, a long writing day at one point And I was like, arere you tired? He's like, Are you tired? I'm like, No, I'm always tired. And for some reason we were P in the script. We just typed that in word for word. And so now in the middle of the finished movie Joe Aruli was walking with Mather ickle and he's like, are you tired? And he's like No always tired back. Apropose Nothing. J no, but it is is a apppriate thing. It's two old, you know, you know, hit men were tired of doing the shit that they do makeakes sense. But that was retroactive to us wanting to put that line. Oh yes. yeah, hundred percent. That's fucking That's awesome Um, what H was was Br not Bradley Cooper was John Ham always the guy Well, we wrote it like a long time ago and then he sort of came into the into it Who's the first guy ust tell me I doesn't'll tell I'll tell you' I don't know if you watch my show, but I'll tell you' our first guy. Yeah would initially we wrote it with Ht play Uuro? No no That's interesting We got to edit everyone's name out because then we got Rob Lo. we're so lucky to have Roblao But Rob Le is incredible. I directed Rob Lau in one of my movies Which one? How to be a Latin lover so funny W Heno Derberers and Raquell Welsh and Rob Lau Here's the question, do we leave big chunks of lobster? What about Salma Hayk? Salma Hayk, of course. Hayk love Romski. Yeah. Who are your Hey guys there's a great little press junket Hey, who are your celebrity passes? I shut the fuck up Nathy McConugh. Yeah. Ch. Nick Cage as long as he plays Nick Cage The wait if you had like who is a celebrity that you met? All start I met Gwen Stefani. And I was like, holy God She is perfect. I mean, her skin's perfect, herer nails are perfect. I told her ex husband the same thing. I go she is incredible. So that's what does it for your perfect nails. Her skin is so. Crazy perfect. everything about. Take care of her. She's so beautiful. I feel like she doesn't go out in the sunel. She probably uses moisturizer She's got to use something. G gotaself. She probably has moisture now. 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I'm back and they were like de Yeah, I was at a dinner last night and you were like get ready for AI and embrace it Yeah. And I said, reallyally? And they're like, It is the future They have these people have a movie with Marilyn Monroe and James Dean in it. Yeah. And who's But then I go, well the beauty of youth is they forget they don't know who fuck Michael J Foxes Yeah You've always want you want your stars to be your stars. You don't want your parents stars and you don't want your kids stars You want your stars. That's the beauty. Maybe they'll find some obscure unknown stars from like the forties that will become owned by this Coopers No that the giveim me a Jackie coo never heard of it. Oh. whoo's gonna to be Har Ld. The young kids are gonna be like, I love this. Nope. Okay.. Charlie Chaplin. Oh, okay I'mill notill not with your parents. Okaykay. That's all right. I mean, who were your comedy heroes? Who' you like in Florida? Who was a big Florida? Well We were caddy shack kids. Yeah.. I was a caddy shack I was a catdy Shack like obsessive. You know that I I made a movie that's a biopic of the guy who wrote Caddy Shack Kenny was that is that a futile and stupid gesture? Yeah, I saw that. Yeah. Yeah that's And you document the making of Kadashack in the movie suchuch a great. I mean, I mean that, but That was what That was where my sensibility. I needed I wanted I didn't I needed nudity I mean, okay, what makes the best? What is the recipe for the best comedy? If you're a producer And a kid comes outs Okay, laughs. No. funny Nudity. Nudity. Nudity. Like we're doing a summer comedy. Okay, ready? My name iss Burke Richher and I run Hollywood. Yeah And and I just brought you guys in for a general meeting. Yeah okay And I need you guys to pitch me I'm going to say, okay, guys I got one hundred million dollars. Yeah for a big summer tent poll. Yeah. ye. I got everyone. I got everyone you can ever imagine. Cast is don't worry about casting. Yeah. This is exciting. But this is a big one. This going to be the biggest thing you've ever done and we got one hundred million marketing. It's going into movies and we're going to have movie theaters decked out. It's going to play screens. What do you need I need you to tell me what big summer blockbuster is. Bert, I'll tell you something about Nudity is that we I made Several radated R comedies, O of which is all about summer. Yeah. no nudity Because I feel like it's usually distracting. Yeah. But then we did role models and there is some nudity in it and we were asked to put a little bit more nudity in it. We were asked to put all the nudity in it. Yes. We were asked actually, yes, we were asked to put all the nud. Also then we made another movie called Wonderless, which is all about nudity. And so everyone's naked in it the whole time. Well male nudity is fucking my favorite. Because of Dicks. Yep I think Forgetting Sarah Marshall When he shows up naked. Yeah. Yeah I'm like, I'm in. I'll be honest with you. I don't love it Male nudity? I Because you because I don't need to seeen it in a room threatened by penises. No, because he he goes, it's easy. Yeah, I know. I knows not it's not even as easy. I just it's like well, it doesn't make me laugh. Also easy makes. I'm saying, I don't think we've shied away from easy necessarily Yeah. Easy, we like easy. We like a good smash in the face But it's like crowd work.ike just It love crowd workorks. I find nudity distracting in a comedy Gentlemen I feel because I'm feeling a totally different emotion when I see boobs. I feel like a feeling down here,' like I'm sexually aroused. And that's different than laughing. That's interesting Uually when I'm aroused is when they're laughing Yeah I usually laugh all the way through my love making I have done that Lack through his love making? Yeah He's always invited. Well, he always sends me the videos. Yeah L like another big night. I'm uploading now. Tell me when you got it What was your how much did you get paid for men behaving badly? U it was my first gig. It was out of the state. So it was either twenty or twenty five, yeah. Yeah, Isn't that crazy? Nowadays, like people are making that What's I mean, this is crazy the r Now it's it's now people like it hasn' that hasn't changed That's the crazy part. and it's less episodes. All right, so I'm going to take these. I'm going to roll these up, cut them up and put them in here. I'm gonna to do one more just forrediction. Itot not in the economists, I don't see it A little bit of this We' going to get out So what kind of food do you cook? Are you crazy big with Italian food, Ken? N? No, I mean, I cook Italian food, I cook I just do, you know, easy stuff that my family eat, but I like, you know, I make a nice bologners, I do you know I try to do like Kabasi and piogis and stuff cabbage. You know when he makes something, whether it's simple or complex, he gives it a flare that only if somebody really knows how to cook. I cook with love as the chef's You got toa cook with a little love. I cook with anxiety. Yeah. When I was eight years old, I was the the co host of a show called Kids Center A on Channel eight in Cleveland And one of the documentary pieces we did was about a a woman who baked cakes And she said, if you have a bunch of almonds and they're piled like this and you have to move them from one side of the kitchen to the other, if you don't move them with love, each one one by one, then they're not going to move I'm just I'm shocked how you said the almonds. I am too. Alldman would the way she said it. Oh, had she say Alms. Are you a character storyteller? She's a you Chaneling her. I do different characters in my show. Have you not seen it? No, canan you do a couple of your characters? Yeah, it's old man Roger. R right, old man Roger. I'm the landlord of your house. Right. Okay. That was my landlord ex back in the day. Yeah, old man landlord R Roger, my one man show The she's like it wasn a I'm glad I was here for it. Let's go back to the movie. Did you Smells great, by the. Nothing's burning is when you when you when every every time you do a project, one person stands out to you like, Do we get an amuse bush And it mo was booh, you know, just a little a little p size something just to killed us over. No It I didn't know what that was. mse bouch. Yeah,'re definitely. It's like you go to a restaurant and before you even order, they bring you a little something just to be nice. You good. It's usually free. L Muse bouche for you. Thank you. Thank you. I've got the world's oldest mother. M My Godd, probablyro impossible just No the u How old is she? No, one hundred and seventy years old. Wow from San Francisco. It's Let's say, u U starter, a sourdough starter. So when I go to San Francisco I always get this one sourdough bread. Yes. and it's from the it's the oldest starter in the country it'supid. It's stupid. a mother, didn't we? I this is what it's called It's called a mother Mother is what? The name The starter. The starter's called mother. Oh, okay, Gotcha. Oh yes, see. I thought I know that. didn't know I thought you being an aneurism No's calling out to mother And I said to my assistant one time, I said, you know, this is the Badnegt and he just caught me a loaf of bread, and I can't tell He just got it from a like, Best buy. And it didn't have that mother or not B buy whatever So C I tell you something about the can't tell the difference? I go to these fancy you know bespoke coffee shops in Los Angeles. I love what you're about to say. Hop coffee. I also make Powdered instant coffee at home with hot water. Yeah, they taste the same. That's right. So I'm going through that as well becausecause I'm not drinking right now. And you look great. Well, thank you very much. I'm down fifty pounds They But I'm not drinking and so coffee's been my thing. And I started buying expensive coffees and I can't tell the difference And it bums me out becausecause there's so and This is how deep I've gone Like I'm watching documentaries about coffee now. Do you know why we drink coffee Americans specifically, politics. Yeah That's right, becausecause we didn't want the tea We didn't want the tea, baby. Crazy. We're gonna do our own goddamn thing here in America. Isn't that wild that that's why we It's not grown here. Yeah, not't worry about that Well what's crazy to me is like The whole spice trade and everything There was a lady who escaped England, she was a queen and she put spices in her head. in her hat. coffee beans that are h hat and took them to South America so that they could have an economy It's like I I wish I was smarter Why? I thought that was a very smart Reporting of history. All right, We're getting ready to plate. I'm excited. I think you Oh, I got to put eggs in there, fuck I do not just for the record, I do not eat shell food It's okay. I had someone here the other day who was like, o, just giving you a heads up I don't eat I don't need Selfish Yeah, no, I'm good with shellfish. This is shell food. It was What kind of music did you guys listen? What kind of music did you listen to growing up? Me? Yeah. I listen to, you know, Billy Joel, E Zeppelin,, ACBC. Who's better? Billy Joel or Brucepringsteeen? Billy Joel For me, I enjoy I got into Billy Jo I mean, I got into Bruce Springsteeen when we were doing Wanderlust and learned to appreciate him enormously. But for me, I can listen to Billy Joel more frequently. I like Billy Joel. Billy Joel's pretty fucking great. I was anti sppringsteeen until a friend of mine in college was like to let me sit you down like show you where you're m Maretone made a CD for me and I was like, oh my God. My you were anti billy Joel? I was anti Springsteeen for some reason. and my friend Pete Green's like, just give me a half an hour. J I'm gonna sit down and I'm just to play some things and just listen. And I was like, oh, okay, I got it. I got it. he's incredible since then he's incredible. Yeah. Springsteeen is did you watch a movie? one the Springstam movving. The Bear dead No, I didn't, but I did see that other Springstam movie which I completely loved the one about the song, you know, about the kid who likes Bruce Sringsteen. Oh my Godd, that was so good. I cried and cried and cried at the end. My son was like, D Dad, keepep It was so good. Did you see it? I did not see that. It's about Indian kid Yeah blinded by the light? Yeah. ye. yeah. Oh my God, I love that. Oh was so well. and it kind of snuck a musical in Yeah It was so good. I'm gonna watch that. Oh, it's so good I wanted to ask so you know that we're in a band because you Oh yeah, let's talk about the band. We do Well we do we' the name of our band is the Middle Aed Dad Jam band But we also have a subgroup, which is the middle aged dad Joel band where we do live shows of all Billy Joel songs I did not know that. And we're playing at the lodge room. when is this going to be on whenever you wanted to be If you have something to promote, we can put it on Yeah I know No yeah. Yeahah, we're promoting hold on after that j. All right, but we're doing we're doing the laodgeroom You can just come come see us. I would love to It's an all night us playing with this incredible band all only Billy Joel. Well, the last time I had you on, I literally said, who knew Ken Marino could sing? Yeah. Like you have a beautiful voice and you have a good range. Thank you. whichich I was like, well, it makes sense. like you're But you, you know, you You, uh, you had the exterior of a sports car But you have an electric engine I'll tell you this, in July, our band is going to be touring around the East cooast and we're doing a show that is a somewhat a tribute to the twenty fifth anniversary of Wet Hot American Summer And we do music from the movie, and we do just old favorites and we do comedy and it's an incredible show and people should come. You know, I didn't notice the music in this movie at all because the music is awesome and the score is incredible in this. And Craig Wedron, the guy who's done music for both all the stuff that we've done or a lot of the stuff that we've done U and who was David's friend from five years old, And I met David and Craig my first day of college Craig did all the music. ocrat And also that there's there's a vocal vocalist that carries through all the music and all the movie, and that's Amy Miles, who's our friend, who's been working with us forever And it's it's a really cool soundtrack. and I think they' really you know, I probably probably noticed it because you're too busy laughing and being invvelolved in the story, which is what that's that's the score's job. When you watch it again stoned, Yeah You'll you'll at certain points, you'll just zone out and be listening to the music and because you'll know the joke that's coming up. The music is really great. The music The music and the scoreing is incredible And And the opening song sounds like just a hit single, but it's actually created by Craig This is gonna this is a weird question, but did you by the way, did you make it to the end of the credit at the end? Did you see was a little a little treat for you Yeah you'll see. When you see it, when you're high You'll see a little Easter egg at the very end. Is this the treat that Iav ever that there's nothing there? There' something There is There is. Yeah There's a post credit treat rightight at the very end Really Yeah All right, I'm in. I mean, is was I've seen Zoe a bunch of things. Yeah I thought she was fucking insane. She was fenous. I like she's great. She is so versatile. She's crazy Yeah She does every genre, every tone. And she's done so many different types of characters. and she came into this was like worked so hard and like, you know asked these incredibly interesting questions and helped us, you know, understand the character more. Like she's I don't think I don't think the movie works without without her her performance. No. Oh, without a doubt. I performance is incredible in it. We retitled the movie Gaail Dauree after she did it just because it just she it's so N It was a throwback to how important lead a lead is in this A casting always. And she was so pivotal Yeah in her range of being able to do stylized to Really pulling out of that entirely. The level of commitment to some of the dumbest stuff is what makes it so fun And she's yeah, she's just a phenomenal This looks And u Well flatman fucking destroyed. I mean, you know what they say, it's eighty percent casting. Like you get the right people in there, it's hard to screw it up. Is that like Tai Basil? Can I say something kind of shitty but kind of weird Casting so important, but I feel like so many casting directors I never really ran into great casting directft. That looks really good This looks fucking We've worked with great casting directors. Yeah, casting's worksith there. but just but like anything, like any job there are people who are really good at what they do and there are people who are just kind of okay. Yeah. So we're talking about producers, right? There are really great producers who give great thoughts and great notes and are passionate about it. And then there are producers who are just sort of like Givven notes just to give notes. I have producers. G ahead. This looks so incredible And I want you to just tell me ' now I'm noticing you what? just remind me what is in that thing that's going under in this whole stuff? So this is this is the the the bread the roti, which I've fried in butter and toasted, then I've wrapped it up and I've made that kind of like the base, like the rice. Oh my goodness. And I put it with, you know Uh tomatoes, onions and all curry seasonings And we're doing three and then we're gonna drizz this on top. I've never seen anything quite like this Oh By the way. And so that and that is the spices, you put put some onion in that, you put the spices in then that was the That was the there' a little bit of spice in this because we put not too many, but we put garlic. And, uh, and The peppers' a good and they're gonna hit it with a little acid, a little lime at the end. On the side Yeah, I'm going to get that Is that the one? Okay. Perfect because I'm gonna Definitely do that. And then Lsike can I just taste that butter in here? Yeah of course. This is the best deal in town 'cause he's only charging us sixty bucks. What? Yeah. Cash or Venmo or what? I think you have to do cash 'cause it's like you guys got forks and knives good Oh my God. Thankk you, Bert. This is so cool. No, of course. thank you guys for making Thankk you guys first of all, thank you guys for thirty years of entertainment. Thank you guys for informing the way I laugh at comedy the way I enjoy comedy. Anytim. For real. No, and thank you for making this movie. It is such a fun fucking movie that you don't get many of these anymore. These ones where as a kid, you get to watch it over and over and over again And it gets better and better and better because it's layered. Layered comedies got celebrated in like two thousand two, and then all of a sudden everyone was like, we're just gonna layer it as opposed to making it funny. This one's funny and layered and it's such an important Definitely was part of our goal just to make a comedy that's just a comedy and really funny and you know, without having to like serve other Notions. Thanks, man No, I'm I mean, it's You know when they say never meet your heroes? I met you guys at a beach Greece. Did we talk about that? Did you talk about that with when Joe was here? Yeah. Yeah, with everyone. you know, I've become friends with with Well become friends with Mike L and Black although he probably wouldn't say it out loud Thomas Lennon and I were working out a script together Awesome. and I had maybe the most fun I've ever had in a general meeting with him in my entire fucking life. Yeah, he's so funny Wait a minute. this is incible H He is Really funny and If you had to give to people watch this and say like, oh my Godd I want it Okay, do you put the recipe out there? That's great Now I'm going to do a cookbook one day of all the strollen recipes Unreal. buts sorry going But you were going to say, do you ever, what What's the ret ultimate remake movie For the state. Is it Snow White and the Seven dwarfs? No It's kind of all run Right? And all right, Why are we doing that And we did the end credits on this day, we recreated the end credits of the Cannon Bell run. Did you really? No You doing. What? Beuse I don't know.re who I thought you were growing up, you really are a lot more You're a lot A like a car? No, you're a lot more like me Like I thought you were like I thought you were like the tough cool guy that got in fights and took his shirt off at the bar and was like, I did it. I'm gonna fuck everyone up. Like that's the vibe we got watching the state. And I was not that guy, but I was like out of all the dudes on the state. I was like, well, that's why ag He's also played a lot of characters that are like agro angry and out of control But you're more like me, I think, than I expect. Pzzy cat Soft. S. Soft and sweet. Yeah.. I've only had sex with six chicks. Six women? All right.ad. Yeah, but. But like I think people always assume I've had sex with a one hundred ' I'm loud, but I really was like in college going, I wantna find my forever person And so like I was like I was sweet. I mean there wass a girl who was like, hey, was summer school and she was like, Hey, do you want me to Do you want to go back to your place and have sex? And I was like, no She was like, what And I was like, yeah, the fact that you even said that kind of just kind of kind of rubs me wrong. I was like, I wish you would I go She's like,' yours? I said I would rather you say, do you want to go back to your place and watch Fletch Like I would want to watch good comedy. G great comedy. No doesn't hold doesn't B better than Flech two, which we were excited about. we saw on Spring. That's a whole different thing Fletch If you watch it, I think it's very slow. and the best parts you remember are few and far between a lot of filler, I think. Really? Okay. I know I likeked it. I haven't watched Fletch in a while. Me either I'd tell you what movie was tough to translate for my kids was Ace Ventura. Well, it feels dated, right? Well they said are we laughing because he's special needs Right H R They they're like he's special needs dad. like he's I'veard that And we're like, o, Oh interesting. Yeah, I know something interesting? I've never seen that movie. seen Really or the mask or any of those Jim Carey I saw the mask, I don't really remember it. I remember Cameron Diaz Do you guys see? She by the way, she's in the new U No, no. she's in the new Kountna Reeves movie that Jonah Hill just directed. Oh yeah. And she is incredible. She's great. She's so funny and she's great an actress. alwaysways great. of fun always great Um Do you guys notice? I'm like almost done? Yeah. Like's so I can't notice. It's so good. I can't take it. I'm I'm not eating trying to talk. But wait, then tell me the movies, the comedies that define your sense of humor because having I'm curious to see the comedies I didn't know that defineed mine it was All Woody All movies And then like Steve Martin specials that I would tape up on betamax Benaax Night at the opera. The Opera. the Mark Bh U Brazil the jerk Uh u u Nick Kid Mvie, Cohen Brothers raising Arizona. What's your favorite line in Raising Arizona? The Muffppet movie' great. What was your favorite line in Raising Arizona? Are these balloons funny? No, unless you think round is funny That's one of mine Heaving can Wait is a big one for me. Heaving can W waitait withn Baby By. Jillie Christie. I saw that at a really young age. My Tendon was obsessed with it. It's incredible. It's one of my favorite movies. Yeah. What's your favorite land from raising, Arizona? The one of your. We are in the proverbial catbird seat I've said that so much. My wife can quote All of all of raising Aras. It's one of the things that baby h.. Who back can give me that baby Hey. And then we ate dirt. A friend of mine just rented out ate sand. I just did a deep d ate sand. F friend of mine just rented out of theater to show raing Arizona to friends just for fun. Really? William Forsyth. Wait a second minute. You did Bill Fet? Is that it? Is that you know? No, but I just said Bill For. actor. Yeah. Yeah, is it Bill? I don't know. The actor with John not John Candy, I just thought it would sound like I'm in the if I said Bill. Yeah. ask me how the interview with David Wayne went. How did you your interview with David Wayne go? D Not bad. notot bad. Him and Kenny were good. It must be fine. Kenny's a good one Like if you know, if you do, if I go, yeah, I have Billion, I had Davi and Kenny over, they go who?. Obviously you know them by their government. Yeah. Yeah yeah. Kenny I do with Ty Davey. Yeah. I do with Tom Sig Gard T do I was I was remembering something I wanted to know what happened. Okay When you first joined the Screen Actors guild, you had to be Kenneth J. Marino, right Didn't you have to have an initial Beuse there was another Ken marino? There was a Ken marina, yeah. What what happened?? You just No, I just I just stopped paying attention to that and just Anytime they ask me what my name is for a project, I would say Ken Marino. And so then when nobody came and got meope, The other Kenrina wasn't like, what the hell No, he's an older guy who I think has passed awayince. I think he was in once upon a time in America. I'm sorry for your loss. He's an older actor. I'm sorry for your los. Thankk you so much. J we need some privacy at this time. I dated a girl namedanlle Marino Her name was Binky What was her nickname. Her nickname was Binky, Binky Marina. You lik that. have been Marinas are like the Smith of Italians. Dan Mino's the best Marino Well, Id begg to fucking different. Dan Marino. Well, my father would always be like, Hey, is Dan Marino coming over? I'm like, that's not his name, but doesn't m Did you play sports growing up You played tennis growing up? I did not actually. I grew up in a tennis family that was we were belong to every tennis club in contest and then I was the one who' the rebels like, I don't want to play. And I'm so regretful because then I started my forties and now I play every day. Wait, what was your childhood like? No alcohol, no booze, No sport. G grew up in a prison No soda, no soda No, but I was this self imposed Yeah. I just I just like being having being the exception to the role, I guess. I don't know. because I grew up in very normal Nice family Shaker Heights, Ohio. H had a great childhood Really? Yeahere were you when you in the movie Shaker Heights came out On Project Green lightight. Yeah. Do you remember having any town of feelings about that? It had nothing to do with shhakeights. It just was like somebody picked a random name, I. I'd be rubbed wrong if it was Lots, Florida. I' be like, hold on Yeah it was't my childhood But whereere did you grow up? Jersey? Long Island. Long Island. We're in Long Island' such an interesting fucking place It's but it's really is kind of the birthplace of Of the riser of ris race racis O of what? Of the boomer Boomer, Rout I don't get it. What do you mean? So, you know, baby the baby boom. Yeah. That's where they created the first track housing in Levitttown. Oh yeah. Yeah yeah. G I love it created. ack housing in general, and it was affordable. It was like I think it was like three thousand dollars. By the way, I'm watching way too many history documententsies. drinking That's awesome. No. Don't start drinking. Yeah, but I feel like' all I become is someone who recites information he learned. I feel like What's interesting about Long Island is it's this whole world that is kind of massive And it's right next to New York City, but there's plenty of people that've probably never been to the city. most people on Long Island are afraid of New York City. onene of my dearest friends, my oldest friend Glen Stockwell, he's like,, you know, I'll be in Manhattan. I'm like, come in come, you know, hang out. He's Get to Madison Square Garden, meet me there. We'll go to see, you know, like I'm like, we're going to see a nick game. He's like o, I'll meet there. We'll go see a nick game orrange a game. but he won't He does not want to go outside of Madison Square Garden What was the feeling like then when to be a kid from Long Island to go into NYU Well I went my mother took me into when I was a kid Before I went to NYU for acting I wanted to become an actor Fom a very young age my mother would bring me into maybe you'll be one someday Jerk My mother would bring me into no, don't edit No. No, D't edit that out U I'm going to use it to feed me, to inspire me. My mother would bring me into Manhattan to TKTS half price tickets for Broadway shows. So we would come in the city and go see a lot of Broadway shows when I was Annie in high school. Annie sh suret was sl Cirst line, Yeahah, was another one we saw yeah can't take it with you. I didn't ask about that. didid not ask about that. So wait, did you other did are there any actors you gre up with that when you wanted to be an actor as a child that now you're like, it's so funny that and now that guy is dot dot dot. I mean, there's so many actors that we've worked with and, you know, I I've worked with who played my parents who like I grew up watching and going, oh my God Really? Yeah, like, you know, I mean, Ed Bigley Junror, we worked with him, Henry Winkler U what's the name of the guy Dantana? We get from from, you know, from what's the name? Robert u Het Kleine. No, Robert Frost. Oh my God. Robert Blake. Robert Schimmel And maybe it's not Robert. He played Dantntown of Vegas. Right You know we're talking about, you know remember the show Vo No not Robert Lzia. but anyway, Rob Redford. It's gonna nowounce Rob Woy? Anyway. We did do wander lesson and we're like, you know, who would be great for this Alan Alda? So we should get an Alan Alda type. And then we're like, why't we ask G Alan Alda. And we got Alan Alda, which, you know, that was growing up tripact, you know, watching Mash and just watching Alen Alda like that was the Robin Jurick. But we did we did seven seasons of this show Children's Hospital on Adult Swim with Henry Winkler and the cast. So we worked with him every day for a long time. O Py downown, Mary Lou Henner. Yeah. But like I remember being on, you know, season three like Henry Winkler. he's our friend. We work with them all the time, but then I'd just be like, wait a minute, that's fucking fs. Hold on a second That's Oh my God. Yeah it's mind blowing. because when you're our age, like that I don't think anyone could possibly understand what Henry Winkler was to our generation. like it was transcended being a TV star. It was just it was bigger than anything. It was like the most important celebrity there is, you know? It's crazy when you finally meet him and you realize. I mean, I think we all learned that he wasn't the fs. R you know, rightight, but when you when you When you first time you heard him talking, you're like, wait, who's he? what's that? All right. Is there just just this sweet looking Jew like little My man saw, he lives literally like right down the street We to visit him I Let's go. I met him one time and he was the sweetest guy. He's the sweetestking guy. We did letterman together And I told him my daughter was dyslexic and you know, he's like, I'm dyslexic. Yeah. I wrote books about his z z zpper, zipper, zippy, zipper. It's with a different font. He created he found a font that dyslexia that beats dys. He's a really fascinating gu. He's always doing some interesting new, cool thing. He He's amazing. Do you think though that, I mean, and I'll get you guys out of here, but but when you say that No onell ever understand what the fs is to us. Do you feel like that's lost now when you look at things like Coachella and the way that art kind of isn't what it was to us younger Meaning like I think things always change and evolve, but there yeah,s there's obviously less monoculture now. like you know, differentiff people are in different slices of things and it's not the same where everyone knows There's only three networks, three channels, you know, when we were growing up. So everybody was watching and feeding off the same thing. Now it's now everywhere you looked there's new cont and new things. Guys, I will simply say thank you. That's it. just thank you. Thanks everything you've done over the years. You know how serince are. The meal was absolutely delicious. This is aazing No, no, no, no, yeah thank you. continue with. No you' He' said a lot already. right now, but I want to hear a little bit. No, the movie is It's phenomen. I'm so excited for it to go in For people who might want to know, it's called Gale Daery and the Celebrity Sex Pass. Yes. and it opens july tenth didid you have a short working title, GB E in the SA Actually, the shooting working title was I'll takeake the Ham That was a name that was working you serious? I'll take the handm. Yeah Take the ha. whereere did that come from? 'cause John Ham, John Ham. I'll take. Well, u well Thank you guys. Well, thank you. This was absolutelys didnt burn anything. It It so nice to you know, people like come me pagas, but they rarely cook you a beautiful meal. So it's just so nice. you're so nice. You're always so nice. I'm a huge fan. It' Very nice getting to know you a little bit more.. I really don't feel like we've talked at all except maybe in Greece, which I don't remember honestly, I was pretty dialed to know this guy. Yeah Yeah. himim and Joe L Trulio who had a Pookabe neck That's so handsome Jel is really held court in Greece talking about film and we were all just on every word. and all I remember is he had a pookab be necklace. We were twenty six years old. was eight six. I was I was twenty. I just got out of Russia Have you heard that story? Anyway. You ee.other me story. Congrats on the movie. Thank you for doing this. Thank you for everything. I love you guys. You're awesome. Thank you F yeah. I was great. The movie is so fucking goods