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Big Picture Science

Big Picture Science

Make Space for Animals

Jun 22, 202654 min
Summary

In this episode of Big Picture Science, hosts Seth Shostak and Molly Bentley explore humanity’s complex and often fraught relationship with the animal kingdom. The discussion begins with zoologist Joe Wimpenny, author of Aesop’s Animals: The Science Behind the Fables. Wimpenny examines how ancient fables have shaped our perception of animal behavior for millennia, often through anthropomorphism. While some stories, such as the crow using stones to raise water levels, show surprising scientific accuracy, others like the wolf in sheep’s clothing mischaracterize animal intelligence and perpetuate harmful biases. The hosts reflect on whether these age-old narratives influence how we treat animals today, especially in the context of biodiversity loss. The episode further shifts to a bittersweet look at the history of animals in space. Graphic editors Taylor Magakimo and Alexander Stegmeier discuss their work documenting the various species—from dogs and primates to microscopic tardigrades—that served as involuntary pioneers during the space race. The conversation highlights the ethical complexities of these missions, the individual identities of the animals involved, and the scientific insights gained that paved the way for human space exploration.

Updated Jun 22, 2026

About This Episode

Long before Yuri Gagarin became the first human to go into space, Laika, a stray dog, crossed the final frontier. Find out what other surprising species were drafted into the astronaut corps. They may be our best friends, but we still balk at giving other creatures moral standing. And why are humans so reluctant to accept the fact that we too are animals? Guests: Jo Wimpenny - Zoologist and writer. Author of “Aesop’s Animals” Taylor Maggiacomo - Associate Graphic Editor at National Geographic Alexander Stegmaier - Freelance Graphic Editor at National Geographic Melanie Challenger - An author who writes on nature, environment and human history. Her latest book: “How to be Animal: A New History of What it Means to be Human” Descripción en español If you have a subscription to National Geographic, check out Taylor and Alex's feature providing a visual timeline of every animal that has gone into space. Featuring music by Dewey Dellay and Jun Miyake originally aired January 24, 2022 Big Picture Science is part of the Airwave Media podcast network. Please contact advertising@airwavemedia.com to inquire about advertising on Big Picture Science. You can get early access to ad-free versions of every episode by joining us on Patreon. Thanks for your support! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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