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So like share, subscribe and rate it hing S Satchy. osts Cliff Berkman Spubble Fe What's happening Bobes Happy Mother's Day Cliff Happy Mother's Day to you, you mother Tucker How's your mom doing She's doing pretty good She's eighty six now but she still cruises and shes you lives on her own and D't find tries, no problem, all that stuff. That's all good She's so sweet. If you talk to her today,senter my love, okay I will for sure, she'll be stoked Yeah, ye Yeah, that's great It's happy m to see all all the mothers out there listening We appreciate you guys tuning in An special day Yeah, of course, we're recording it on Mother'sday. You'll hear this long afterwards or a couple days afterwards at least, but you know That doesnt mean we're not thinking of you, everybody out there who has spawned, who has reproduced Well, today we got a Q and A episode going for May. may twenty twenty six, I can't even believe it. we've been going going for so long now this in this podcast, you know Eeven nights. I know we talked about it last episode or whatever, but it still it just blows my mind seven years Yeah I don't say Yeah Of course we did the a television show for nine years We'll get there eventually too, I imagine T years out I'd reckon dude according to my math. Yep Yeah, Did you use your fingers for that? You're good at math. I guess you probably didn't. Did't even need any toes. Nice, nice Yeah, we got a couple voicemails, weve got several written questions. So maybe we'll start Since the voicemails were on the lighter side once again This one, we usually don't do that many multip part questions, but since we got a little time and flexibility on a beautiful Sunday here, I'm going to throw you this multip part question Hey, Cliff Bobo and Matt. My name is Jerry. I'm from Pennsylvania I really enjoyed the finding Bigfoot episode where you two investigate the state of Oregon while And Renee investigated Washington I just wanted to ask and see if you guys still hold true to that belief that Oregon is the squatchiest state in the US Other than that, I would love to know your top five squatchy states. Thank you so much guys. Love the podcast care and keep it squatchy. Excellent question I kind of put Oregon and Washington in the same category really. I mean, just as they're excellent A plus states Yeah. Yeah, I have a hard time saying something is the most. I'm not a big fan of superlatives on that sort of way, you know in that sort of wage because once you say something is the best, the most, the whatever, more than everything else, it automatically discounts everything else. And gosh, the Pacific Northwest in general You know, it's just so good. But Oregon and Washington even though it's there's just a river separating the two states, they are remarkably different in a lot of ways It's kind of stunning in some ways how different it is. You know, you go over on the other the north side of the Columbia over to Gifford Pinshow National Forest and I just I don't know, just feels ellky or something. You know, there's a different flavor to the forest there. It's amazing what that river does. But they are so similar in so many ways obbviously prefer Oregon because that's where I live And that's also part of the reason I chose to live here Bobo, mean what are your thoughts, Bobo? I mean, you live in northern California, you must think that's probably as squatchy as anywhere too, right Um I'd give it up to you guys like a little bit just a notch above Is it because we're just wetter up here and it's a drier climate down there? orr what do you think I think that's right. That's that's a I think probably the biggest part of it. Yeah Yeah, because we all know based on the work done by John Green back in the nineteen seventies, the more rain an area gets the general trend is that more sasquatch reports come out of that area And then it probably has to do with, you know, like plant cover and all that sort of stuff. justust plant life and animal life therefore that comes from it. All that sort of stuff. But I'm not sure I would come down hard on statement like Oregon is the squatchiest state. You know, that might have been played up a bit for the television show. might have been done by the editors. I don't remember exactly, but Yeah, they did tell us that was d Yeah, because you know, a little competition, you had to get the stakes higher and you had to have a little bluster as competitions tend to have, you know, As far as our top five squatch states, well, Oregon, California and Washington are up there in no particular order And Tennessee for me Tennsee. See, I'd put Kentucky in there, but before Tennessee personally Yeah, Kentucky Kentucky, Tennessee I mean, that whole zone right there, like Western North Carolina West Vgin. Yeah, I might put West Virginia on that map too. for my five. Largely, this has a lot more to do with the number of big foooters and big fooot researchers that live there Right Oot Alaska. Oh yeah, sure, sure. Alaska has Yeah. So who would we bump? I guess we bump West for I would bump either I don't know, probablyrob Kentucky. I'd have to bump Kentucky out of there put in Alaska I guess I got Oregon, Washington California, Alaska and then Shoot, you got West come down to West Virginia, Kentucky for me, I guess Yeah, yeah And out of those two, I think more of West Virginia is suitable habitat than Kentucky P probablybably That's what I' say Yeah, so I'd probably have to go West Virginia on that one. Nothing personal to our good friends out there in Kentucky or orr Ohio or anywhere else for that matter, you know, where there's a ton of stuff, but These states, I think are probably have the best habitat for them and probably the most habitat for them. I would. Char Charlie Rayman seething right now It's okay Charlie knows we love him Yeah, I suppose that's the answer to that one. Although he did say states because if you branched out to Canada, I would say British Columbia crrushes everything else There's no competition. I think British Columbia is probably the squatchiest place on the planet. Okay, absolutely I don't think there's any debate on that No, I couldn't imagine there' being You know, and you think, oh, well, you know, Alaska is right that a skinny part of Alaska that comes down says, okay, sure. But really, that's British Columb. Yeah. So I guess maybe Alaska if you count that little skinny part along the coast, you know It's a hand handle Is that what they call it? Yeah Yeah. so there you go, there you go Matt Pruitt, you're lurking around back there. Do you have anything to add to that? Any thoughts or any states that we might be overlooking I really loved Utah and, you know, not all of Utah is squatchy, but the portions of it that are are super squatchy. You know, there's a lot of reports for that being, you know, such a restricted area. I mean it's a vast area, but within the boundaries of the state a restricted area and so, you know, a smaller state population and fewer researchers, but it produces a lot. So I think that's a good one Obviously the washher tows, so maybe I guess if you were between the two, I'd probably say Arkansas because you have the Ozarks and then that little subset of the Ozarks called the Boston Mountains and then all the Wasitaas and then a lot of the flatter sort of swampier areas of the state Arkansas is pretty read Bogy Creek Those are the only ones that come to mind that might be you know, overlooked. I'd love to say Georgia, but you know, I don't think it compares in terms of like the sheer numbers. and I love Georgia. It's home, Nor Georgia is great. There's other parts of the state that produce reports too, but T terms of southern Appalach, it's kind of hard to beat Western North Carolina. but yeah I would I would add to your list, Utah, Arkansas Okay. I'll take that Montana and Wyoming are awesome, but I won't be squashhing there because I don't like grizzlies that much. No, and I'm not interested in tangling with grizzlies at all. Someone just got killed by one, I saw in the news Yeah It was in Glacier National Park. so Yeah, Montana Yeah Yeah Hopefully that answers Jerry's question and this is going to be a great question to record on Mother's Day because this is a strategy that any responsible mother would consider Okay I'll go ahe and read this one first, suppose, if you don't m It comes from Patrick Jones and he asks, Has anyone ever used newborn or pre crawling human children to lure a Sasquatch in Outside the wildlife risk, a baby seems like prime Sasquatch bait I ask because indigenous peoples tell stories concerning the abduction of children who wander or are left unattended Ebody got a baby actually borr. You make your own, man. There was a guy that I knew who got I think it was like a monkey baby though. It was some sort of like faux baby and he put a speaker in it like a Bluetooth speaker and had crying baby sounds in it and put it in there He was pretty convinced that was going to work and Foiler alert It did not work. Monkey Baby is a great band name Yeah. when when Jamie Jay and I saw that one that was jhned by Lidermman and Bart and Bluff We were playing baby crying baby over the app But to answer Patrick, has anyone ever used an actual baby, a newborn or pre crawling human child I would hope nobody has. So would I Yeah, and if they have, I mean, that's something seriously to called, you know, child protective, you know, services about Parent of the year It's obviously the dan doing that stuff. So would be father of the year Probably. Yeah. because what would that even look like? would just leave it out for Keep an eye on it because dude,'s owl, there's coyotes. There's a lot more of all sorts of these critters than there are Sasquatches. no matter what Coyote would be the worst. Yeah, I'd be like the number one fear Yeah. Yeah So I don't know. I mean, if to use one as a lure. I mean, it would be a sound. You would probably use a sound and certainly sounds of babies have been used many, many times And I'm sure that many households that have a baby in it crying probably have attracted a sasquatch or two over the O the years It would have to be the vocalizations of the baby, I think, that would lure it in. because if it's a visual thing, then you're actually literally endangering your child, I think becausecause what else can see it? because like I said, there's a lot more of other animals than there are sasquatches No I've certainly used babies crying as a possible attractant. I've never had any luck as far as I know with it. Maybe one came in and looked and I don't know.be Maybe they didn't. I have no idea. I can't tell But I know that it's been used many times. I know that after about an hour or two of listening to a baby cry on a recording, it does something weird to my psyche It feels weird to me. I don't like it because we are actually genetically, I guess programmed to not like that noise So I personally don't like doing it. I'd rather have a peaceful quiet night in the woods and listen to shrieking child on a recorder. I was just hearing a lecture about bituation and how The way that our minds or our brains make things relevant or irrelevant To make a very long story short, I have to like dig into the whole lecture to get it verbatim, but essentially you can desensitize people to certain cues, things like white noise or other sounds, but they found like, for example, crying babies, you could never des that never becomes irrelevant to the human brain It's basically impossible to make that sound something that you do not automatically involuntarily respond to physiologically or neurophysiologically ye you're right. It is hardwred You could ignore So you've been on a plane and been able to ignore it Yeah. Yeah, right. No one can ignore that on a plane. Iud I've had them right in front of me right next to me just screaming and I do pretty good for the first few hours now I get a little sick of it but Well I can see how Bobo might desensitize himself because he's literally had a tooth knocked out by a baby before Yeah. Is that how that happened Um Well gather around it's Bobo story time dude. He's gonna say some things that'll blow your mind. Classic. And if you say he's lying, he's gonna kick y' behind for sure. Once again, it's Bobo story time Any description of felonious or criminal activity is being told here strictly for entertainment purposes and is in no way admission of guilt or even trueh for that matter It was when like when the show first like was very first it was like The first week it came out like or second week maybe like it was when first People first started to stopping me. was like real like real early when that was happening And it was like this full I thought was up the. G wason' they called a dented can. It's it's U, Wino. It's like, it's it's just it's like People watching is like people at Walmart times ten Yeah, we have wind Cs up here. I heard a comedian make a joke about Wind Cs one time because it's a supermarket that's pretty low prices onene of those places you bag your own groceries and stuff and I like going there, I love going there Comedians said that like that place is pretty sketchy. L they don't have aisles. they have alleys Yeah That that's that's it I'm walking in this lady because it seem means she's like It's like full just like eaker looking lady with like these like, you know, I was being nice but like just the kids were like it's hard you don't want to judge kids, whatever. but I mean, they're just all dirty and like you tell they weren't like they didn't have the best home life, whatever. like, you know, the mom was just tweaker and Oh takek a picture with my kids, you know, and there was like four kids or whatever. And she hands me this like three and a half year old three year old, whatever. It was pretty big. It was like you could walk and talk is a boy. It just look like that Simpsons baby, know that evil baby on the Simpsons. That's like Maggie's neemesis Yeah It was like that And the kids just squaring at me And like and thenm I'm like, okay, and I was kind of I was trying to get somewhere too. Like we were only home for like a, you know, a short while and I was trying to get my all my Eerrands in chores done taken off for like ten weeks or whatever So I'm sitting there like like, you know, posing with these kids, you know, I got these like I I think I'm getting ringworm and lice and all this stuff. when I'm sitting there like these kids all hanging on me likeike all their laghed on me and I'm holding like the toddler And the kids just glaring like not smiling in the The mom's like U smile, you know to the little kid at this point it's been like five minutes, which is a long time to'd be like comomfortable, you know, and And this like twweaker lady like making a scene and Young are the kids like, you know Stand this way like this and then I'm like, you know, just take the picture, please. takeake the picture And she stumbled around on this flip phone for like five minutes Anyways, I was holding a kid 'm trying to bounce a little bit like a little bounce, like, Hey,uddy know we need to smile And he just looks at me and glares even more and just headbunts me in the face And he was like I was seeing stars. like it was like a full it was he nailed me like super hard, super fast. He was he was a prettyt big He wasn't a baby. He was like, you know, toddler or whatever like two, three year old, two, two and a half, three and half, something like that Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliffin Bobo. We'll be right back after these messages It's Jacob Goldstein from Business History In our new series, American Genius, we tell the stories of three great writers who changed the way business works in America. Our first episode is about Benjamin Franklin. Among many other things, was a best selling business right. Take a listen He's writing this much later in his life consonsciously creating this image of himself I do want to emphasize how unusual this model is at the time, this self made man myth because you don't want to be self made. It's low class to be self made. You know, this idea that we have today is the opposite, right? And it comes from Franklin. todayoday. there is the derisive term neepo biting. Well, exactly right. 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I'la welcome to Dctor Farmasotico, Patrrosino for GSK S hit us me the face I go to put him down And I just just did it really quick. and G probably was about six inches off the ground It looked like I threw him but I was moving fast and then I just let go of them And he he landed at like kind of leaning backwards on his feet and like just kept going And it looked like as soon as kid to the ground. like if you if you were just like walking by like not paying attention, you saw also this little kid thrown on the ground start screaming It just look like I picked up this kid and then threw him on the ground The mom's yall at in T turned like this whole scene like people're like, Where did you do like couple of people were walking by were like Like you just drew that kid. And I was like, No, I didn't he just hit rid me in the fish and And like yeah, I instantly got like I was getting my lip was swelling up and like I had a fat web and She's knocked out and Like I'm kind of like, I'm dazed a little bit. you know, he nailed me good. Like myother teeth got loosened up on each side of it And yeah, so That was my u Your fight with a three year old. Yeah. This is quite the Mother's Day episode Well, you know, I can see why you might be a little callous towards young humans in that sort of way because you've had a couple bad experiences with them. So maybe it is possible for Bobo to tune that out Psychological strength just overwhelms all genetic programming. And it's like, o cry away, suck it up, buttercup. See I I actually didn't even know that story. And so once again to to tease our membership, if you're a member, You would have just recently heard that Bobo survived very close encounters with both Lyle AlzZedo and Howie Long, but he was bested by a three and a half year old toddler in a winco Well doesn'sable for those football players and doesn't Future Raider Well, hopefully that answers Patrick's question with a resounding no and for good reason. Yeah. No I did find I found out the camera wasn't The camera wasn't a camera and the phone wasn't a camera. I did find that out right for the kid head buttoned me So it was all for naught Yeah, I wasember going like,ait you don't even have a camera. I was like, Is that even a camera? And she's like Th then because I was like, I was getting so frustrated this tweaker lady N being able to take the picture. I said, I finally stopped some younger person's cl. I said Please take that photo Y Dude people, I swear to guys you must have seen this know this clip, people go, hey, can I get a picture? And like there's like you're at a store, like an airport or whatever And they're like, sure. and then they look around and there'll be like an eighty five year old there and they'll go up and hand the phone to the oldest person possible that has no idea what they're doing And then sit there, you know, you've got your arm around them, You get your arm around other posing. the person's phoneing with the phone line What What do you do?m like what do I push? you know, like There' be no side clliff. Well yeah, you should always find the youngest person in the room. Right And then they will take the best picture by far That's when I had stopped by like when it was going by, I stopped this one Like, you know, like twenty year old chick I'm like Please take this picture from her and I' phld the lady like justust give her the phone. like just give her the phone. And she's the young girl that's hatch goes This is this isn't a camera. this is just a phone I was just like That's why that's why I looked at the kid andm, I smiled at him and he just head butt blasted me in the face Oh that's so amazing. I kind of like the missing tooth look though for Bobo on the show Yeah. And then I got I got my fake tooth and I had it for one day. like I paid this rush order on on that fake tooth. It was like four grand or something I was like, I need it for the show, whatever Then we went film that ETV for Joel Mcale's this talk soup or the soup show, whatever. And Joan Aray, the comedian was in the big foot costume. He was flipp' buddy fromr back in the day So we have like a common friend and so we're shooting this thing where Bigfoot kill what didt you tore our arms off or something likeike I survised Yeah, you and I went looking the in the little sketch that we did for the show We were looking for a Sasquatch and then one found we found one and then it ripped your arms off And and there was like a souffle thing or like some sort of like chocolate fountain involved there forment right Yeah. let me pick out all the food for like attracting a squash. it was like just all this like donoughuts and Chassic F and all the I have pictures of that somewhere. I can dig those up and maybe post them to the members or something if you want. And a big fot was supposed to beat me up and and I took my new fake tooth out like it was on a retainer and I popped that out And I s it down like I remember I was being careful with it it's just fricking disappeared It's anor I was covered in fake blood and like and like and dried grass bits and like little twigs and stuff and I was totally soaked in fake blood We had to go back to the we had to give some other interviews or something We went back to the office at Ping Kong, the main office I just go running in. go I runan in. I just ran past the Secretary and ran into like wereere the executive producers or the owners of the company were Brad and Kit are around him there And like to the like there's like thirty people that's like, you know, there's It's like a big office space. I I said Sontil the cossum here And as like as like I yell about a dead body and I said, Anyone tells the cops here, I'll kill him. Then I ran into the bathroom and started washing up And they came in there so horrified likeike I remember remember Casey coming in with someone else Super nervous, like eyes all big one. What happened with them? Like I had to kill that son of a bitch. They werere like I'm in the washing, I'm making a mess. like I'm trashing in their bathroom like fake blood everywhere. And Yeah That was pretty funny All right I'm se sending some of these pictures out to you You put those on the membership side of things And of course, all the listeners out there, this is not a membership episode. but if you would like to be a member, it might be a good idea Because you get every episode this one included with zero advertisements at all. Matt scrubs everything out of there So you get this on a weekly basis. and you also get another whole episode everyvery single week, it seems to be worth it. Everybody seems to enjoy it We call our members the pigeons. Maybe you want to be a pigeon too. So come on over it is five bucks a month. That's a lot of fun. And you get to see all these pictures and the extra videos and dude dads and whatever that we post that everybody seems to really enjoy. So. And you're going to want to hear Bobo's Lao Alzado story. I do have to say, look into these pictures. firstirst of all, Joan Aray then went on to do the Netflix reboot of Mystery Science Theater, which is awesome And also he's wearing on itsuka tigers my favorite shoes in this picture of him in the Sasquatch suit. So good for you, Joan Oray on multiple fronts. There's a jar of fake blood. Yeah. Oh, he tore my throat out too. That's why he tore my throat out. I died gurgling blood on the ground Yeah It was a fun day It was It was like really honestly, Boba, one of the pinnacles of your acting career It was. That's why I thought I was a better actory than when we went to go do that Momo movie Yeah And then I saw the results. Cliff was better you know, it's a give and take, it's a dance between us both Oh I'll take that. There you go So here is the next written question for you, Bobo Richard Solomon, why do you think no Sasquatch remains have been found at the Libbray of tarpits? Have you had any contact with John Reeves from the Alaskan Bone Aa about any possible remains he might have found Keep it squashy I've written John Reeves like several times, neverever heard anything back. I don't think he I don't think he'd let you know. From what all the interviews I've seen with them An it has to do with possible Homo remains just they he imply that they just putut those back in the ground, whatever, so not to deal with getting shut down by the government having them come in Oh yeah, that's the implication for sure. But yeah, he never explicitly stated that. He just smiled and said like, no, we never have and I don't think we ever will and then went on to explain That would, you know, the discovery of anything human like would shut everything down and basically hand the whole site over Yeah in L Branda Tarpits, the squashes were too smart to get stuck in that thing. Well, I mean, humans they have recovered human remains out of there Humans are stupid No That's tr. I've been to the Lbaya Tarpets. it was super cool, but I'm trying to remember the the full timepan there? is it like just a pleistocenine site or is it like myocine plleistine? is it lots of like a long, long span of time Yeah, I don't really know I don't really know. but you know what grizzly bears are well known to have been, you know, down in the lowlands of southern California which is why all the native settlements at the time were up on those ridges, you know, like where current date Long Beach state is or Cal State Doming is Those are the places where most of the native people lived up on these hills. Th it was mostly because down below on the flatter lands, number one, grizzly bears roam pretty freely Number two, floods would come and wipe out villages all the time. you know, like almost yearly The Los Angeles River and the San Gabriel River would flood dramatically. In fact, I became very interested in Southern California natural history. especially towards the end of my stay down there The Los Angeles River now is enclosed into a cement prof basically for the vast majority of it with the flood control Basically is what it is because that thing would flood every single year and any of our any of our listeners in southern California might be impressed with this. Even today, there are small pockets of marshes along the four hundred five freeway in the vicinity of those giant oil rigs and torrents and all that sort of stuff. kind of near the one hundred ten way where those two freeways cross. There's even there's small little marshes that even persist today and those are leftovers from when the Los Angeles River would fluctuate its bed way dramatically year to year meant you know, sometimes it would go this one direction, then the next year a flood would happen and then the mouth of it would be somewhere else, the next year and it left behind marshes. Something like sixty to sixty five percent of southern California was actually wetlands at one point. And now it's just like the cement wasteland, you know At one point, there was just this thriving ecosystem, of course The Los Angeles River sometimes would empty in in Long Beach, empty into the ocean in Long Beach. and other years, it would even go northwards north of San Pedro Peninsula and empty in Redondo That's how widely the mouth of the river would fluctuate year to year. So native people didn't build down there Now getting back to the Sasquatch thing and LeBrot Tar pits and whatever else, it's very possible that that just wasn't good habitat for Sasquatches, even though they had access to it maybe it just wasn't their preferred habitat and they preferred it in a preferred a cooler sort of a higher elevation temperature in the San Gabriel Mountains or something like that. It's entirely possible that it could be as simple as that But apparently there is a fair amount of animals that are not represented in the fossil finds of the Lbrea tarpits that we know lived in the area But also on a side note down there I went to Cal State Long Beach and that's up on a hill above atahim Bay, I think it is And it was a I couldn't imagine a better place for a native settlement to develop there It was just fantastic because a short jaunt away, you had this this ecosystem, you know, this the bay arerea the estuaries and whatnot. and just food was ridiculously abundant at one point And there's a native settlement up there called Pavagna, if I remember correctly So shout out to my native friends down in Southern California and particularly those people descended from the people who lived in Vavagna But that area is at Calseay Long Beach. and I believe it's protected now. if it's not, it should be, but I believe it's protected now that site. And I and the story of the founding of Pavagna that has been carried through the oral traditions of the people down there I guess that the native people have a story. and again, I'm probably getting some of this wrong, but this is approximately right They had traveled to the area from I believe' south of there. I could be wrong what direction. But when the native people arrived there, they found a freshwater spring at the site, which is why they founded their their village there Generally speaking, it was guard their tradition says it was guarded by some sort of warrior that they had to defeat and drive the warrior away because they wanted it. and that's just what they did. But I read one account and I've never been able to find this again. I wish I wish I knew where it was. I found one account at some point that said that the spring was guarded by a giant hairry. warrior of some sort And I thought to myself, well, wouldn't that be something? that a Sasquatch set up base at this freshwater spring as I think that they probably do when water freshwater is rare And they had to drive the sasquash away from this area in order to claim it for their own. the people that I think I think they're tongueb I' where I read that. I wish I could find the source, but I don't know where that is. so It was at Signal Hill Well what s where I read it is what I meant by that, the source Oh yeah, but I' was just saying like yeah that The spring was duck at the base of single hill And yeah, it was it was called they called it a Lost manring or dead man spprings Well, the spring that I'm talking about is on the Cala Long Beach land. and actually interestingly enough, when they I talk about serendipity or poetic ot justice, but something along those lines when Calseyate Long Beach was built the spring stopp flowing fresh water and started producing salty water that was undrinkable Yeah I thought that the that the the springs like that was a whole separate spring were the where the Harry wararrior was was more by a signal hill and then like the tribe was over where the University was Yeah maybe I have it wrong then, but I don't know. that's just what I remember But of course, if anybody is listening out there and they know they know the source, I'd love to hear about it. So email us and let us know Am sure I can find it Yeah I was sure as well, but I never have, unfortunately. But if you do find it, I'd love love to know where that came from. I don't know where I picked that up Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff and Bobo. We'll be right back after these messages It's Jacob Goldstein from Business History. In our new series, American Genius, we tell the stories of three great writers who changed the way business works in America. Our first episode is about Benjamin Franklin. Among many other things, was a best selling business write takeake a listen He's writing this much later in his life. consonsciously creating this image of himself I do want to emphasize how unusual this model is at the time, this self made man myth because you don't want to be self made. It's low class to be self made. You know, this idea that we have today is the opposite, right? And it comes from Franklin. todayoday, there is the derisive term neepob baing. Well, exactly right. And these days, if you are a billionaire, you had better have a Benjamin Franklin story about starting in a garage, coming up with the idea from nothing. And here is Benjamin Franklin inventing it, right before our eyes been brought to you by Odu To listen to more of our American Gius series, listen to business history New episodes release every Wednesday on the IHart Radio app or wherever you get your podcast If data management is slowing down your business You need the intuit ERP. If one entity is here and one here, here and one here and one here here, you need the intuit ERP. If scaling your business feels like start starting up, starting, starting up, starting over You need the intuit ERP. Intuit Enterprise Suite is the AI native ERP solution that consolidates, migrates, and automates, all in one place Learn more at into it. com slash yRP Algarlo Cinquuenta, Dabia apprendi de Gunas Cosas, Cvalore de laa Familia, L Portanciia del Travagjo, Equel Noenta Nue Portcient to the last person as the master Cinquenta, Jatina and albirus queosa Clebriga Okinuto Alas personona andrias Gola Rjaran, Josila Sufi. Luond de Lorosacon and Pojas Duros Manas Asino includesastaria's Mas simimpless and Ton retto N Binaor dea Cul Rid dea Mamida de Fici. I'la welcome to Dctor Farmasotico, Patrrosinalo for GSK Here is a fun voicemail for you Hey, Cliff Boa and Matt. this is Mike com to you from Connecticut I just want to say that I totally loved the neurological spin you guys use on your podcast I think that totally sets you apart from all the other shows that are out there, man. it's a really great With that said, and you're out in the field. Are you guys Not kicking the grub up a notch, youre knocking out of the park with some amazing food or you just resorting down to some Qick stnackies and power bars and trail mix kind of thing. Either way, I love to hear it. I can answer that from the person I got the most with is Bart And he's the chef. He brings a pizza oven with him pable pizza oven and he makes incredible pizzas every night, like just And then he makes all these Italian like he brings pasta and like his Pasta sauces are just off off the charts.ll maybe some shrimp pasta. he'll bring up All this gourmet food But if he's not there, it's like Yeah Wabi peas and bagels and Yeah, I just I just I don't really pack all that great for bring the easy stuff Dude, I'm so with you, man, because yeah, I'm just trying to stay alive. So I bring like beef jerky protein bars Bagels as well. peanut butter, bananas and then mountain houses. But when I go with Darrel Darryl Collier brings like two of the largest size, like Yeti style coolers dry eyes and eyes and dude there's like milk and juice and frozen fruit and fresh fruit and meat and eggs. And then he cooks this like abundance and he's always like, Hey, I can't finish all this. Do you want some? So I end up eating like a king and then Emily's always like Oh you're you're mooing everyone else's food. I'm like, no, I brought food. It's just they made a bunch. And so I just got to eat what wasn't eating, you know, so I'm with you. like I don't mind eating like a squirrel in the woods for four days because I don't want to deal with all the hassle, but I will certainly not turn down somebody else's awesome camp cooking Amen. Yeah, and for me, it's about the same. I mean, when I go out with Bart, I like, you know, I ha' been out with Bart since last time you Bobo and I, you know, Barton were all together last year But yeah, he he feeds you like like like crazy There's no way you can lose weight or anything like that around Bark Burros. I know. I know.'s he's nuts man. he goes crazy. which is great, for everybody involved But when I go out alone, it's pretty simple. It's pretty simple. I'll probably get a couple sandwiches or something like that. Mountain house is a big favorite of mine If I spoiling my if I'm spoiling myself,ll I might get a steak and then cook it over the fire because I think that's fun But really I try to keep it pretty simple. And I also don't tend to have meals per se. I just kind of snack throughout the day when I When I feel the need Yeah, my my Eating regiment is a little loose when I'm out in the field. so I'm the same way just because I sleep in the forerunner and usually keep all the gear stored in there. and there's a ton of space because I took out the back seats and have that big platform But man a I've got a big cooler. is that sort of roto molded style like like a Yeti cooler, but it's just a yeti competitor. But that thing takes up so much real estate that if I can help it, I don't want to take a cooler. So It's all dry goods The unics take up a lot of space and they're heavy Yes But you can leave them outside because they're bears safe Yeah That is true, but even just like the packing, you know, like with what gear I can bring. So I just try to do all dry goods and then the only cooking I do is boiling water and pouring into something like a mountain house or oatmeal or something like that. So occasionally like if Emily goes, I'll bring the cooler and like do fancier food, but for the most part It's all dry goods and Like I said, I mean like a friggin squirrel out there Yeah, but, you know, I was thinking even if these coolers, as I mentioned are Be safe, I tend to put mine inside the rig because I sleep outside, usually on the ground or something like that. if I if the weather's cooperative or inside of a tent, but I prefer to sleep on the ground But I tend to put the coolers away anyway because even if I did sleep like say if I had a truck, you know, like you Bobo or could sleep in the back of a forerunner like you met I don't know if I could relax enough to sleep if I knew a bear was puzzling about how to get into my cooler outside my rig all night Yeah You know, it just kind of like probably stressed me out to some sort of some level that I wouldn't be able to sleep at least, you know, like knowing there's a bear right outside trying to get my food Beaars are a pain, man They are. So this is from A good buddy of mine and a pigeon, but he's send it in through the regular channel. so I guess this is for the regular listenership. And so here's the next written question for you, Cliff. Okay, Kevin Mays asks Since the relic Hominoid inquiry site is still live through Idaho state, but appears not to have been updated with Dr. Mldrum's passing Does anyone know whether the RHI will continue as an active scholarly resource What happened with the eight foot three D printed Sasquatch skeleton that Dr. Mldram had made Okay well first of all, the RHI don I don't think it is going to continue taking submissions or anything, which is unfortunate because I know that there were some people pnding submissions for it at the time of Dr. Meldrom's passing From what I understand, Darby Orcutt has expressed some interest in taking the articles that were there and archiving them and housing them at North Carolina State University. I don't know how far that conversation has gone Darby and I had a conversation about it at one point and I think I put him in the right direction to speak to people at the university. I'm not sure if anything ever came from that or not. I'm also not involved in any of that really. so except for like I have Dr. Mldram's possessions, but I'm not really involved in the RHI I wasn't on the board of directors or anything or anything like that. So I think these kinds of questions might be best directed towards individuals who were on the board at some point or maybe even our Idaho state. But I think for now, we just keep our heads down and enjoy that Idaho state is still housing it on their website because we draw too much attention to it, maybe they're going to take it down Just so people know all those links, they're just links to the PDF. so you can download all those papers yourself. If you're worried about them disappearing, you know, Kevin or whoever else is listening, just download them all. I have them all on my hard drive for that reason, just in case. so probably be a good idea to do that And as far as what happened with the eight foot three D printed Sasquatch skeleton that Dr. Mldrum kind of helped with TV production Well, there's as there's a couple of things about that that I want to get pretty straight here is that Dr. Meltrum didn't really help very much with the making of that. What he did is he supplied Gigantipithecus Backie skull, the reconstruction that Dr. Krance had made at some point But the skeleton itself was actually just an enlarged Neanderthal skeleton It was not, in fact, something that Dr. Muldrom kind of made and designed based on his anatomical knowledge He told me that he would have done it differently than the TV production company made. So the production company they dis got on the Neanderthal. you know, skeleton I guess the three D printed basically to a larger And then Dr. Mildram did tell me, it was very, very impressive. He really enjoyed it and when they when they See, they did they TV is all about the reveal and having emotions and seeing the surprise in people's eyes and all that kind of stuff, you know, it resonates with with the viewers really well So they didn't let Dr. Melldram help with the design process because they wanted Dr. Meldram's initial and legitimate response to seeing this skeleton for the first time. So they didn't allow him participate in designing it and using his in depth knowledge of what a biped of that size and make should look like. I wish they would have, I think Jeff probably even wished they would have because it would have been very different. I think it would' have been much more Australopithecene in nature then something like a Neanderthal, which is pretty far along on the human evolutionary timeline there Sasquatches clearly aren't something that's recent. They're very, very archaic, I guess in nature and anatomy. The production company kept the skeleton. It's out there somewhere Melldrum never had it He was allowed to see it and comment on it and they filmed him doing so for that production. but That was not in Jeff's possessions at all the production company still has possession of it that's my understanding. What they're doing with it, who knows? probablyably nothing because production companies are like that productuction companies want everything and then don't do anything with it. This is what my experience is You know, even our production company wanted those casts from Georgia that we got them finding Bfoot. And I knew they weren't going to do anything with it. So and it was just so disappointing. And just like they did with the the Josh Gade Seti print. I think that the production company has that somewhere, but It's not on display in their offices. So who knows where it is. So I don't know. I don't know They always want things but don't do anything with it because they're The attention span is on making money some other way with some other production. So Wh knows? Maybe it'll be donated to my museum someday. That would be cool So if you know anybody involved in that production, just launch and nudge in that direction and say you know who needs to have this North American big facilities to have this Anway, that's the answ for you, Kev R on So here you go Bobes. Here's the next written question. Dwn Henderson, do you ever find bigfoot tracks that are narrow? I saw footprints in the seventies longong a Creek that were long but narrow. My sizeo shoe size is thirteen And these were fourches longer than mine. It was in a remote area in early March in Northeast Oklahoma Yeah I found I found those tracks are in two thousand. What' a BFRO report as it going up Redwood Creek outside there Redw outside Redwood National Park there in Oreg and was hiking up with Korea and we were going up the creek just looking for prrs. and sure enough, like there was these five Long like fifteen and a half inch tracks. or in the gravel that were perfect. You can see all five toes. They were deep, but you can see them clearly Two of them were really good. But then they were narrow Yeah, they weren't even they were like barely five inches wide at the widest and they were like fifteen and a half inches long Well that could be from any number of interactions with the ground too. There might have been some sliding involved. It might have been just maybe the foot Okay, well, maybe the foot was supinated in some sort of way, giving like walking on the outside of the of the edge of the foot in some sort of way. I mean, there's a lot of reasons why narrower than one expects. although five inches, that's pretty wide. You would expect like six or seven inches for a fifteen inch track or something? But it's not significantly narrower than one could expect too. Fast in Bobo's case Now this what Don Hendren, by the way, Hendrren is his last name. Don Hendren saying here that he saw tracks that were very, very narrow. Remember again, I'll say it, I say it all the time Footprints. I mean, the ground are not the shape of the foot through the shape of the damage done to the ground by the foot. So you have to think about how that foot might have interacted with the ground. Maybe it's sliding, maybe it's skimming the top, mayaybe it's maybe the animal is walking on the outside of the foot maybe just impress very deeply. Who knows Any number of factors go into making a footprint, probably hundreds of different factors go into making a footprint shape in the ground And in that one half second or something like that, that the foot is in contact with the ground So always keep that in mind. and on top of it, maybe the foot was narrow. One of the things Dr. Mldrom and I were talking about towards the end there is a sexually dimorphic trait and footprints Just to review sexually dimorphic means that boys and girls have different shapes of things, like boys are bigger in primates than they are than girl primates are But in great white sharks, females are larger. So those are sexually dimorphic traits There's a speculation by John Bindernogggle that like longer canine teeth be a sexually dimorphic trait, you know, even even the presence of Sagittal creress and larger individuals could be a considered a sexually dimorphic trait, like it is in gorillas, for example One of the things about footprints that Dr. Mldrum and I were discussing towards the end is that Jeff was suggesting that A sexually dimorphic trait visible in footprints would be a narrower foot If you look at any number of sasquatch feet, one of the things that jump out is that some are quite a bit wider than others and the larger ones seem to be the widest of all So he was hypothesizing that a sexually damorphic trait is a narrower foot in Sasquatch females. Now you combine that. with other variables that go into making a footprint that I mentioned earlier, then some very, very narrow ones are indeed possible. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliffin Bobo. We'll be right back after these messages. It's Jacob Goldstein from Business History. In our new series, American Genius, we tell the stories of three great writers changed the way business works in America Our first episode is about Benjamin Franklin. Among many other things, was a best selling business writer takeake a listen He's writing this much later in his life consonsciously creating this image of himself I do want to emphasize how unusual this model is at the time, this self made man myth because you don't want to be self made. It's low class to be self made. You know, this idea that we have today is the opposite, right? And it comes from Franklin. todayoday, there is the derisive term neepo baing. Well, exactly right. And these days, if you are a billionaire, you had better have a Benjamin Franklin story about starting in a garage, coming up with the idea from nothing. And here is Benjamin Franklin inventing it right before our eyes This has been brought to you by Odoo To listen to more of our American Gius series, listen to business history New episodes release every Wednesday on the IHart radio app or wherever you get your If you're a QickBooks customer looking to grow your business without the growing pains, you need the Intuit ERP grade to intoit enterprise suite in matter of hours. It's the AI native ERP from the Makers of QuickBooks. Learn more at intouit. com slash VRP Algarlo Cinquuenta, Dabia apprendi de Gunas Cosas, Cvalore de laa Familia, L Portanciia del Travagjo, Equel Noenta Nue Portcient to the last person as the master Cinquenta, Jatina and albirus queosa Clebriga Okinuto Alas personona andrias Gola Rjaran, Josila Sufi. Luond de Lorosacon and Pojas Duros Manas Asino includesastaria's Mas simimpless and Ton retto N Binaor dea Cul Rid dea Mamida de Fici. I'la welcome to Dctor Farmasotico, Patrrosinalo for GSK Here's a good finding bigigfoot question for you Okay, Nolan Gazner asks. Were there times on findinding Bigfoot where you guys really did hear something, Sasquatch or not, but the microphones didn't pick it up. So the producers added sounds to the episodes to allow the audience to better understand what you heard I ask because in some episodes, the audio that is heard during night investigation sounds really clear Well, you guys say that you're hearing it from very far away and faintly I know that audio can be enhanced, but sometimes it still sounds maybe too clear Thanks I wouldn't be surprised if they did that. play they would play like Stupid sounds, like special effect sounds over like what we were trying to listen to thought it had a drama. I just remember that trove. Everyone crit No one thought it was a good idea, but except for the editors. Yeah, ye that music and like the spooky nighttime stuff. they would put that over there U you Yeah. and I know sometimes they did do they did do a fair amount of work on the faint vocalizations that the mics picked up and then tried to make them louder in the mix. I know that happened a fair amount because when we were out, You know, our sound guy Gramps or whoever else that we had on, you know, as the sound person on that particular episode. they were walking around with a microphone, a boom mic and sometimes another microphone, you know, and I generally had mine out. I generally had mine in my backpack and sometimes my microphone, my little recorder recorded things better than the fancy audio gear that the production was using. So I would send my audio clip to the production and then they would use that instead I'm not aware of any specific time that they actually introduced an artificial hoaxed sound especially after, you know, maybe in season one or something because season one is that bumpy road that we kind of fixed And after season one, the show became much more legitimate you know, in every single way, you know, because they know that we were so adamant against hoaxing and introducing fake evidence of any sort I would be sured and I wouldn't be too surprised, but I'd be pretty surprised if they were ull in shenanigans like that in season two on It's possible becausecause you got to remember that we were out there filming a lot And many, many months generally pass between us filming something and at making the air att least three or four generally because it takes about three months or more to edit together one any of these episodes many months and many adventures had gone under the bridge between actually hearing a sound on one particular night and when the episode made the air and we could watch it ourselves And I think sometimes like we just I know for me at least, because I think I had some of the same doubts as Nolan here sometimes. when I heard a vocalization, I said, well, man, I don'tember it sounding that good you know, and thinking back on things It might have just been an enhancement. mayaybe they pulled some shenanigans. I don't really know But I do know that if we say If we said, I should say, if we said we heard something, And and we said it on air It's the truth We'd never lied. We just didn't. This is not what we did because that was part of the agreement with the production company. and the network more importantly If we said we heard something we did, we could be incorrect Maybe it wasn't a Sasaquatch and we interpreted as such, you know, that stuff happens If we said we heard something, we did Now whether or not that actual recording is exactly what we heard, I don't know. I just don't know. That was so long ago and evenven when we werere hearing it for the first time. I'm not sure that I remembered that specific night so well I don't know Boby have anything to add to that Um Yeah, I think it was It was confusing. L they didn't make it clear what they added in and what we were trying to listen to a lot of the time I know that that caused a lot of confusion But generally speaking, they couldn't hear what we were hearing. Like it didn't record what we were hearing because there's these little tiny lapel mics. Yeah.'s what that's when I we really leaned heavily upon my recording device that I would take out with us and