Bobo's Close Encounter at Patrick's Point

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I missed Mikeael last time he was here I mean You listen to to his Micah Hanks show and then I also enjoy Sasquatch tracks So I'm really stoked that I get to speak to him today. Yeah, Yeah, talkk about a guy who's well rounded in various weird fields, man. Mikea is one of these guys. He's totally in the UAP thing, the UFO stuff He's got a super deep interest that goes back a long ways into the Bigfoot, and God knows what other weird stuff this guy's into. He's a weirdo. love him. For me though, like he's just a friend. He's just someone I see occasionally at these away gigs and stuff. It's so funny. The first time we had him on, was I didn't even realize how active he is and and writing things and podcasting, and he's just some dude I know and became friends with I didn't know about his qualifications. So Micah, thanks so much for coming back on Big foot and beyond with us, nerds. Yeah No, it's always great to be with you guys, Bobo. again, yeah, we don't ever get to catch up like this. So I'm really looking forward to this too, mana Yeah, yeah So what's been going on, Mike? I mean there lot been going on. I mean the UAP thing seems to be spinning and just and I wouldn't say out of control because it's always teasing, teasing, teasing, like, oh, we're going to tell you this. We're going to tell you this. And then they tell us something that pretty much everybody already knows anyway U like is that has been your main focus lately or have you been delting into other weird stuff You know, I try to keep one foot, you know, firmly planted kind of in both the worlds of Sasquatchy, but also UAP and you know, again, the artists formerly known as UFO's Yeah, there's been a lot of news lately. There has been some new stuff coming out. There are some promises of things forthcoming. I'm sure we'll get into all that But there was also a bunch of stuff that was recently released that we kind of already had access to with some notable caveats. but I'll just begin by just saying this, and I think it's a good philosophical point to observe People have really warmed up to the idea that there could be craft of unknown origin phenomena in our skies that could have very strange origins And yet many will still balk at the idea of there being a large anthropoid ape somewhere out there in the remote wilds of North America. Now here present, I'm pretty sure that we would all agree One of those seems like a less extraordinary possibility, and yet people still turn their nose up at Sasquatch. What's up with that People, man, they're the worst Yeah, that is the simple And probably the most elegant explanation is in it, though You know That' say it It just seems like No matter what kind of releaseer Non release it all seems in the end Whoever has the control over wants to maintain control somehow how they release not just how they release it, but how the perception goes, like people with power Esespecially this power to release are going to use that power to perception benefits them And really, what are your thoughts, Mica? What is the benefit of an ape in the woods At the end of the day, not much, right I guess it's not the kind of thing that you know the defense establishment in the United States is going to see as being a potential concern. Now, you know, some might make the argument that there are certain government agencies that would be concerned about that, right and not so much really the presence of the a, but more probably how people would respond if there were widespread acceptance of them. And againain, that's a whole discussion we could get into But really fundamentally, like you say, Cliff, it's probably not the kind of thing that people are as worried about as the idea that, oh gosh, there could be technologies flying around in our sky and we don't know who's piloting them or where they're from. So ye I see why there's so much interest. I really do. Well, you know, I say it a lot. O government are essentially consists of a lot of arms dealers You know, there's a lot of money being moving around selling weapons to people who eventually use them against us I just don't see that monetary interest there in the Bigfoot land. And some people might argue and push back by saying the logging interest But I just don't think that's enough because that's not the kind of level of economics that the arms industry, like the military industrial complex deals with on a daily basis Right. ye. The one interesting thing and you've no doubt seen these, these are well known documents, but I think it was the U. S. Forest Service and or at very least it was the Department of the Interior that had kind of broadly put out a series of memoranda back in the nineteen seventies, One of them had been talking about, you know, what would be the response if a creature like Sasquatch were acknowledged And it was really presented as a what if scenario But in that document, it was essentially saying, you, scientists would have to respond to this. There would be protection efforts. you know, we would have to consider a lot of things about public safety Be there would be a change in the way that people would be going into the forest, the kinds of things they would be going there for what they'd be doing So there is that, but again, I always point out that seems to have been a what if. I don't think that was Sasquatch disclosure circuit nineteen seventy eight, right? No, no, not even close. And of course, when you think about it, Saskquatches are already there Do you really need to change much of anything I would argue no. I mean, you probably want to protect some maybe core habitat, like the maybe you'd have an increase in the number of acres of wilderness area For example, you know, were things like, you know, logging and road building and cars and even bicycles aren't allowed to operate, like complete pristine Virgin land. There's so little of that left in the United States or even North America really in general, although Canada and Alaska are kind of exceptions to that, But there's so little of that left. I think that more land would probably have to be set aside. and I'm one hundred percent in favor of that, you know. because My background is actually oddly enough in fishing when I was growing up in southern California, I worked at fishing tackle stores and stuff And at the time, in my more immature brain state, I didn't quite understand it. but There was a law that they were trying to push for years and I was against it at the time because they were going to shut off like about I forget how many like miles, like five miles a coastline on the backside of Catalina Island to fishing. So no commercial fishing, no sport fishing, nothing. And I was thking, Oh, that sucks, That's some of the best fishing, right? I want to go fish seaass and stuff like that. But they eventually passed the law and I was a disgruntled little immature boy and I, okay, screw them Turns out like literally within a few years, like three to five years Fishing in the surrounding area was outstanding, outstanding. You know, so just a small little protected oasis for these fish to live and breed and not have any pressure on at all had a huge boon to the entire fishing industry essentially in that general area. And I I know the same thing happens in our forests as they do in the ocean. You leave it a section or two alone and great things come from it. So I think that's the consequence of proving Sasquatch is are real protected areas where Chunks of land can recover. from the pressure that humans put on it on a regular basis and all the surrounding lands benefit from it Amen to that. And you know, Matt Prot and I we've been out there in the woods together and we always say, we can get out there, we can spend time a whole weekend and we can see nothing, but we're always appreciative of the time we've spent out there in nature. And so for me, you know, conservation is a huge part of the whole Sasquatch equation. Again, so much we could say about that, but yeah, just to echo your sentiment one hundred percent buddy And it's also not like you aren't allowed to go into these areas. You are allowed to go into these areas. You just can't bring motorized things with you. You can't bring a chainsaw. Okay, deal with it. So this's basically just for backpackers or people who want to hike for the day. It's not like that you aren't allowed to go there. because I hear people screaming about that a lot. like if big foots are going be proven, then they're going to close off land and you won't be able to go No, I don't think I don't agree that at all. I think that's I think that's a fear based small minded view of the situation You will be allowed into those areas. You just won't be able to bring machinery with you. So you can't drive. W. Leave your car at home or leave your car at the trailhead You can walk in there. That's what that area is for. Just like you would, you know, encounter if you're in a bear sanctuary or an area that is, you know, there's there's a significant population of any kind of wild animal You're going to need to be aware that that animal is there, like Yellowstone or any place, but people certainly are going to go there And that's going to actually again, probably improve not only general awareness of that habitat, but again that conservation effort Exactly, exactly. And what you're really going to hear all the screaming and crying are basically from the bots on social media Because remember, the recent studies have shown between forty to sixty percent in some cases, of all social media accounts, no matter the platform. robots I can sympathize with the bots and again, you know, it's unfortunate that so much of the discussion about, again, what once were known as UFO's, but now they've kind of been Rebranded is unidentified. first aerial now it's unidentified anomalous phenomena. so they can keep the UAP designation, but You know, half that debate right now on social media, clliff really is exactly what you're talking about. It's people with extremely opinionated worldviews fighting back and forth and then bots just egging them on, which is one reason I'll alert your listeners. They were They're probably not going to find me very much on social media. I have accounts. I'm not active I avoid all that. The real conversations happen in know dialogue like this Let's find out what's known, what's unknown, what we hope to find And what can we learn about what's already put out there, right N on social media Well, you know, you have such an expansive background in these subjects. and I'm not really a UFO guy. I mean, I've seen a couple of them. I think they're cool. And just it's just not my thing, you know what I mean? It's not what hooked me. But but I am interested in it. I don't study it, but I'm interested in it. And one of the things I don't really understand and maybe you can shed some light on this and this' probably a very simple basic question Why did they change it to UAP as opposed to UFO That's a really good question. So the use of the word unidentified aerial phenomena, I've actually dug through existing government documents that have been around for decades. The earliest reference I've seen was from an FBI document from I believe back in maybe nineteen forty nine or so that referred to unidentified aerial phenomena. Now they were just using a term, you know that could apply to these things that was kind of a catch all. And keep in mind, that was really before the term UFO had become popular. People were still calling them flying saucers at that point Sometime in the late nineteen nineties in the United Kingdom There was again, a kind of a shift toward, well, let's not just talk about flying saucers or even things that might be structured craft. There's a lot of stuff in the skies that people might see and they might call aerial phenomena. So let's just call them unidentified aerial phenomena And that was the terminology used in a report called the Project Condine report that was finished in two thousand And then Essentially, in the United States kind of started following up, in recent years, we saw that with first the UAP task force and now the official Pentagon investigative office called ARO, the all domain anomaly resolution office They essentially said, you know, UFO was really stigmatized. People immediately think little green men Let's try to sanitize this a little bit and use a different term so that people think about this in terms of, okay, this is a defense issue It's a national security issue. We're taking it seriously. And if there are things in the sky we can't identify We want to know what they are without leading with the assumption that we're talking about littleittle Green guys and flying saucers. So in a nutshell, that's why they use UAP nowadays. Well also, because it was flying where these things, a lot of them are trans medium, they're seen going in and out of the ocean and observed underwater. So I guess that's's part of it too, right? Absolutely. Bobo. That's a really good point man. Yeah, that is a crucial point because Many observers in the military in recent years have claimed that they have seen these things like you said, coming out of the ocean or going into the water. and that's nothing new. I mean, there are reports going all the way back to the old U.S. Air Force Project Blue book investigation, which lasted a couple of decades.ill the longest systematic U.S. study or actually studied by any government that's known to the public But they had reports describing UFOs coming out of the water and going in as well And then there's the possibility they may enter Earth's atmosphere from space and vice versa. So yeah, the idea was aerial phenomena was too limited, they shifted to anomalies to account for those transmedium capabilities so you spot on. Yeah Oh, it's a clever use of an aconym. anomalist instead of aerial. Yeah, that was literally the next question I wrote down for you Yeah, what about those like the ones in the water? I mean, because at the end of the day, liquid is kind of like a thick gas. It behaves in much of the same way. Of course the atmosphere is made out of gas, the ocean's clear they made out of liquid, right? It's just denser molecules at the end of the day. So they behave in a similar manner. And of course, when you get up to space, there's basically no medium that they're flying through You know, it's just more more or less a a what's close to a vacuum. I think that if I remember right once you get outside the atmosphere, like further away, I think the density of molecules is something on in terms of like one molecule for a cubic cubic meter or something like that. So they're close, but not quite to a vacuum, right So these ocean going things are probably using the same sort of anologies, I guess. And if I mean, what little I know, it's it's not exactly a Well, let me ask you, is anything known about the propulsion mechanisms? Beuse I mean, I watched that a documentary recently. my wife had me watch and they kept talking about gravity things and gravity is not a propulsion, it's an attractive force Is there anything in any of these s said you've looked over about about the propulsion technology or anything like that? Well, yeah, I've looked into a lot of it. and I'll say this first of all There are different schools of thought about whether the phenomena that have long been recognized as UFO's. And I'm a student of that phenomenon. I've read books about this, you know, going back, I mean, really most of the major literature about this Yes, these phenomena have been described as craft that can enter water, come out of the water They allegedly travel into and out space But there's some debate really as to whether what the Department of Defense is studying is necessarily the same thing in all instances as what traditional UFO buffs, right would call You know, UFO's are aerial phenomena. now That said, there's a lot of concern about, you know, what kind of capabilities these things exhibit? Are these really simple technologies, drones, balloons, things like that that are being used by foreign adversaries We'll leave all that aside for a moment because I think the ones that people are most interested in are the idea of actual Anomalous crap that come from someplace far off, right? The theory would be that there would have to be some kind of a field propulsion. They aren't exhibiting you know some sort of traditional, you know, propellant force like what our jet aircraft or our rockets use to get around And in fact, one of the most intriguing things about some of the military imagery that's come out in recent years, and by that, I mean, really since the turn of the millennium, One of the best known cases from two thousand four involves the famous Nimitz incident But these objects, whatever they are in these pieces of footage, they don't seem to show any kind of proulsion mechanism there's no exhaust, there's no heat signature So it would have to be, we would assume rather than some kind of a propellant using chemical propellant like rockets do or jet fuel, these are some kind of a field propulsion in theory. And that would be a way that these can seemingly traverse mediums going through air into like you mentioned water, which has a very different kind of composition, but essentially would still support an object that could move if it were being propelled feelield propulsion. and then the same thing in the absence of any kind of a medium in the vacuum of space So that would be one theory, But again, it's really open to conjecture, I guess, in terms of what exactly it is what that technology might represent, how far ahead of us it could be. And I will say this too One of the recent U.S. government studies, which was the Defense intntelligence Agency program known as the Advanced Aerospace Weapons Systems Application prorogram That did actually look at Futuristic technologies that might be feasible in the decades to come, but that could you know maybe explain some of the things we're seeing that UAP do right now, the weird things that they're able to do. So that's definitely been a focus of some of the government studies too, which in itself has become a bit controversial. But I would say that field propulsion might be a simple answer in terms of what we think they might be doing Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliffin Bobo. We'll be right back after these messages. story to tell I take one's daily chardience at each day store And for adults with type two diabetes and known heart disease, Gardians can lower the risk of cardiovascular death too. Prescription Gardians, Eple fllzsen, ten or twenty five milligram tablets, are used to lower blood sugar along with diet and exercise, and adults with type two diabetes. Gardians is not for use to lower blood sugar in people with type one diabetes and not for people with type two diabetes who have severe kidney disease. Serious side effects include increased ketones in blood or urine and infection between and around the anus and genitals. Both may be fatal. 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So the general principle would be that you're going to you're going to use forces like for instance, you're going to manipulate gravity or you're going to manipulate some kind of a, you know, you know, for instance, you know, electromagnetism in some way that moves a craft through space without propelling it like a jet does, which essentially is just firing energy and of course, there's a whole lot of energy, but there's a, you know quite a cost to that energy as well and distinct limitations, Hence why we have mid air refueling for our best military jets and things. Now UFO's or UAP, we want to use that term The way that these are described and the way that they are observed moving is in no way shape or form similar to our conventional aircraft If anything, it's more similar to drones, but we also don't see propellers. We don't see, you know, the kinds of things that we would associate with drone aircraft. So if there's some sort of an electromagnetic propulsion or if I think, o, you may have actually said anti gravity, didid you throw that in there Yeah Yeah. if we're talking about some kind of a technology along those lines That seems to be the leading idea. And then of course, we also have these ideas like warp propulsion. Miguel Alcubieri was a scientist back in the nineteen nineties who worked out the physics. We don't have this technology yet that we know of the physics behind this is that you could warp space in front of an object And it would be able to move through space by warping space around it rather than actually moving, which is kind of a far out concept. But just think like Star Trek they when they go to warp drive, they're warping space around their spacecraft. So that also has been put on the table The simple answer, we just don't know. this is all purely hypothetical, but that's one reason why some of these studies have looked into these technologies and their feasibility. We want to try and know if there's somebody out there who's already figured this stuff out Yeah my buddy and I saw one one night When we were down the Lost C cooast camppping It was like go Boxy type. structure straight sides it had straight sides to it. then the the front of it was flat across. So it was like three quarters of it was a box and the the back trailig again had a slight like round tail to it. It was kind of like came out and like sort of like a half oval shape, but but not that traamatic. It was it wasn't like a real rounded. It was, you know, slight it just pulls out a little bit more than the outside rails on the forward leading side And then it had like a like it looked like a like a neck, like it looked like a turbal shell with with the neck sticking out of it and then like the head on it, like it had a L like a shovel head shark, like like look like that. L like the head of a shovel headed shark on like a neck attached to this like squirish body with a rounded off tail Black wh Like a black flashlight beam would come out of it likeike shoot out in front of it And it was like blink out in the And and I know that they feel like light can only go so far it doesn't stop this this stopp. went out. it shot out and then D' know. The craft whatever would would just instantly fling into the like to where the end of the beam was. it did that Like there'd be like a slight pause between each burst of the beam that would and it was moving, you know pretty fast. mean I mean it wasn't like fashion any jet I've ever seen, but it was and it flew up over the mountains and then it went up to The highest coastal peak on the west coast the west coast of the U.S, Kingings's Peak, it flippp to Kings's Peak and then went down into the canyon in a big flat canyon we just were like amazed and it never came out. then I'd seen these a bunch of times back in the early nineties where we saw those like little round those little round pulsing lights that flash different colors and zip all around like crazy. We saw two of those over the ocean doing those supereratic patterns and they they drop aboow the horizon or M maybe they're dropping in the water. it look like they're dropping over the horizon. and they'd shoot up above the horizon and zip all around crazy and then They eventually just down over the horizon and never came back up for about an hour, but Y' like I always triple with that. I I also sa UFO guys and the the head I forget his name. He was the head movefon investigator for North America I was at a conference with him Really cool guy. And he was he u He said that he said that he knew a really well respected researcher that seen that. and then he said he knew of another report of that from someone that that was like, you know, like the guy checked out Have you ever heard of that You know, I have heard of those. and in fact the first one you described is really interesting and it reminds me a little of the descriptions of some military witnesses during a famous incident that occurred at Mina Air Force Base Back in I believe nineteen sixty eight, so there are at least some similarities to the way you describe that, which I actually find really interesting, Bobo It's a very interesting incident, but long story short, there were The crew aboard a B fifty two strrata forortress that were flying over this object that had gone down below them and had taken either a position on the ground or was hovering close to it. And when they flew over it and banked, they looked down And they described seeing something that was essentially oval, but that there was sort of a neck or an extension in this kind of a front bumper thing whichich if I'm understanding your description of what you say you saw, it sounds kind of like that I don't know why the six didnt it didn't look like this. I mean it reminded me of it's those Big snowwalker things, the machines and Star Wars and Empire strikes back It kind of look like just remember that like a likeike a neck sticking out, not a super long neck, but like a neck and then yeah, like that shovel head sh. It was It was bizarre. I was going to say it was big, dude because when it flew down behind it flew into the It flew down next to King Street, down into the into the canyon We were estimating that it was four hundred yards long and like maybe two hundred yards wide. It looked to be about and we were a couple of miles we were probably we were about five or six miles from it when it dropped down into there Big Yeah was it was really big Yeah That's very interesting though. That's a heck of a sighting Yeah Yeah That's one of three times. I've like I've literally had like a hundred different exciting events over my lifetime and There's only I think there's only three that I could see the shape and that was one of the three. The rest were always just pulsing lights See I got to come out in the woods with you guys more often, right Well, these these turned out when I met Mike Rug, they got it run ran the Santa Cruz, the Okay, what was that? I just forot the name of it big for discovery Museums Yeah Capritch Discovery Museum He was the Bfine investigator for California back in the seventies, eighties and early nineties And Id I said, Yeahah, I go from like eighty nine to ninety three. We watch these things all the time. And I saw a black triangle. I saw triangle Yeah, like I' never heard anyone else say this And that sing that told me about how you only heard a couple talk about the oneent with the neck. He said that he'd heard this he'd heard this before, but not very much was this thing was flyingatever the one on one hby which is like one of the three main North Sth arteries. It's the coastal route that runs along the west cooast of the United States. So it's one of the three arteries that goes up and down. July third Just after sunset, nineteen ninety two And it was coming down over the freeway coming from North west, head and southeast. And it was this like it was still a little bit of blleue over the horizon to the west and then to the east it was completely dark. So it was dark. It was like It was it was probably five ten minutes t total darkness I could see this thing kind of like what the heck And then I told I told the driver to pull over and we got out. we all washed it and it As it flew, as it flew its direction, it kept the same course. But it looked like It look like when you have a little kids bowling and you put those bumper those inflatable tubes down the gutters so the ball just bounces downntill it hits the pins and it can't go off like it just bounces back and forth but it keeps going, you know, in one direction,, you know towards the pins. That's what this thing was doing. It was like it had an invisible guide rails on the side And each time it did a little ricochet and then It would change course, you know, like You know, just as a head of southeast It would just bounce like it look like there was invisible barriers that kept it from like it looked like it was going to shoot off to either direct south or direct east but it would like hit some invisible invisible bearr and then Whatever was the say there was ABC points for the three points of the triangle A would bump and then B would be the lead one that would bump again and C would be the lead one like It constantly did that How odd And there was no there was I guess I usually have Three like a light in each corner Like three lights or whatever And there was no lights on this one. It was just completely black big too, that thing was We were guessing that they had to be att least one hundred yards O each each rail, each side That sounds Ver consistent in terms of size. and know, would you believe? I actually get more of those reports probably than almost any other kind Maybe with the exception of the little round orbs But it's recently been discussed, even by some of the officials including the current director of Aow, Dr. John Kzlosski. He has said that they have been receiving reports of those triangles and they find them very interesting because Apparently they don't believe that those belong to any kind of government organization, any kind of contractors. We hope it's not some sort of foreign adversary. I mean, in my opinion I don't think that kind of technology has been proven to exist. I mean, and yet people still say they see these things like yourself, and I've been getting reports for the better part of two decades. so mean Yeah. that's that one has always been one of the most interesting classes of UAP in my opion I mean, have you heard of them doing that? like but like about like like the like switching which was the which which point corner was the L we like. back like switching back and forth back and forth. Sort of, it almost reminds me of descriptions people have provided where they say that those large triangular craft are they move almost like a water skipper or like a water bug. If you think about how they kind of move slowly and then they'll kind of speed up, you know, and then they'll slow down and they'll kind of hover and then they'll speed up and move, but they'll bounce in different directions. I have actually heard those kinds of descriptions before, for sure Yeah, this one wasn't like it was a constant speed. It never it never changed speed. And it was dead sun. I mean, well we were on the freeway like it was it was that's that's was saying why I was saying It was july third evening. because it was it was like a Thursday like a Thursday or a Friday before fourth of July O maybe it was a Wednesday. It was like a five day weekend or something and But it was it was, you know, it was like that night when everyone's traveling And it was a free was pack. we saw maybe One or two cars within a couple of miles of us pull off the road and we I guess looking I don't know if I don't know if they're looking or not,. I mean, there wasn't like a bunch ofeel pulled over. like there was thousands of cars like there must have been thousandousand cars that had a chance to see this thing Yeah See, that's the part that gets me. I know there are a lot more people out there and I would say the same about Sasquatch too. I mean, there are a lot more people probably who have observed All these kinds of phenomena then who are willing to come forward and talk about it. And again, if you could just get everybody who has seen these things or who's very intriguingly, and I've heard some stories on this podcast, you know about alleged imagery of Sasquatch and things like that that hasn't been publicly released. But again, if people didnidn't feel so encumbered by those stigmas and felt that they could openly talk about this and share what they've seen or even photographed. Wed probably have a whole lot more data about these phenomenon. I bet you there are some excellent photographs. of these big triangles that you know, people had probably taken and they just never put out there because they didn't think it was something they should released to the public for whatever reason Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliffin Bobo. 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We was talking about propulsion out Like we're having some of our sacred historical cows L to the slaughterhouse, you know, recently and and big footing, you know, like Oh yeah, things that we thought were legit that maybe aren't There's these historical accounts that people quote and this one it'sick I know this one's Remember loveved him because James Fox always says it's his favorite sighting is the Zamora sighting from the sixties down in I believe New Mexico. Yeah the craft because I guess there's a of evidence like physical evidence, you know, where the where the landing gear hit and all that and you know, he' he's a great witness. But when that, I mean, I'm not debating. I'm not doubting his observation or what he experienced, but J the fact that it took off and like it made noise and it had like it had a flame that came out of it and like smoke like it was like I always thought like that's but he said that he said he saw aliens outside the craft. like, so that's Be I I'd always I'd always think that Yeah that just sounds like that. if the US if the U.S government was making flying aircraft that, you know, anomalous aircraft like that that there's that we still don't have anything like it today. And they were supposedly doing this. sixty years ago or whatever Now it sound like if we had a like that would be the one because like it sound you know like sounds like an internal combustion engine, but James Fox, he said He was, no, I don't think it was an internal combustion engine. I was like, why would it have flames and smoke coming out of it You know if it because he said it wasn't like on fire like the guy Zamor said it was just that that was the propulsion was causing like a turbo afterburner or something. Yeah. Oh that's a really great case and you know, really briefly to touch on that in case anybody isn't, you know aware of the specs on that one that Bobo is describing The Lonnie Zamore incident or the Seoro incident. happened on april twenty fourth, nineteen sixty four. Lonnie Zamora was a police officer He was actually chasing the guy who was speeding through town. and he saw initially like what he thought looked kind of like a flame up in the sky And he thought that this might have something to do with the TNT shack, which was a concerning possibility There was a shack where they stored explosives up there on the top of the hill. and he thought something might have exploded. and so He drives up there and at that point, like you mentioned, Bobo. off down in the Aroyo, he sees something. and at that point he kind of interpreted it. He thought you know, just glancing at it, oh, a car' turned over and some kids are standing next to that overturned car. so maybe they're in trouble. I'll drive over there and try and help any. He recalled seeing two beings. He said they looked small and that they They kind of started, you know, like they were startled by the side of the car. Then again, he was in a police cruisise. So I mean, if I was a kid and their card just overturned, I'd probably be kind of concerned too But you know, as he got closer, he realizes it's not a car. It was some sort of a egg shaped or oval object And as he is pulling up, yeah, it starts lifting off the ground and he said it was making a tremendous loud thunderous roar. and it was so loud Zamora thought it was going to explode. And so he actually was he jumps out, you know, I think he was actually already out of his patrol car, but he runs around behind it dives onto the ground, takes cover because he thinks it's going to explode And once it gets up to a point where it was about level with where his vehicle was up on the hillside below the little Roya where it had landed He said the loud thundering noise stops. And when it was rising, you're right, there was a flame, some what seemed to be some sort of propulsion mechanism that was lifting it up off the ground And flames are shooting out of the base, But then when it got to that height He saw all the sound stopped, the flames disappeared and then it just zipped off silently. now It's weird because appear to be two different propulsion technologyies in use right there. One of them, we don't know what it was, but one you know, it really does actually sound very similar to a jet or a rocket kind of propulsion One might even argue it it was consistent with like a hot air balloon in some ways and the way it was described He never got a good look at the little people that he said he saw outside the craft, but he said there were definitely two little individuals who had been outside it when he initially pulled up And I'll tell you something fun about that David Marler, a friend of mine, and he runs the National UFO Historical Records Center in the Greater Albuquerque area. David and I drove out there and we got up there to the site the where the landing actually happened back in april nineteen sixty four And we stood up on the hill and looked down there into the Aroyo and you can still see the rings of the stones where the air Force officers had gone out there and they had put those around where the landing gear touchdown. I mean, it was really cool Imagine if you could go to like a famous Sasquatch siding location and the footprints were still there It's almost like that. We don't really have that luxury in Sasquatch research, but we do have that with the Seoro case Yeah. So what did you so what did you guys determine like what could have been the sources of the Pulson I don't know. Now I will say this Project Bluebook looked into it, and at that time, the director of Project Bluebook was Hector Quentinia. He was extremely skeptical. He was convinced there was some kind of a lunar landing module or some kind of you a landing gear for a spacecraft being tested. And he looked at all possibilities and never could find any evidence that that's what that was To this day, there's never been any kind of confirmation that that was any kind of a special U.S. technology. But to your earlier point You hear a story like the Sacoral incident If the U.S was developing some weird, let's say that was some, you know experimental nuclear technology, like a nuclear propulsion system they were testing, orr maybe it was some weird experimental balloon like a two man you know, balloon aircraft, you know, high speed balloon type airraft. I don't know. I've tried to go through every possibility from extremely advanced to deceptively simple, but really weird looking. I couldn't tell you, but I would say it sounds most consistent with either some kind of almost like a balloon kind of a takeoff and landing for vertical you know, takeoff and landing situations or it's some kind of a rocket like propulsion But it's not impossible that that could have been one of ours. The thing is it's just never been acknowledged So that's a weird one. and again, it is a unique case because the principal witness was a member of law enforcement who swore throughout the rest of his life This is what I saw. I was right there. I don't know what it was. Nobody else does either So it's really personally one of my favorites. and I'll also say this Bobo superficially at least The shape of that object is somewhat reminiscent O the famous two thousand four object that was seen there off of the coast of California out there in some of Cliff Barrt' favorite fishing waters out there in Sokal where the Nimens incident took place. That's what the Nimus was Yeah It was up there off the Baha California cooast in two thousand four B. So in general area, Geographically Yeah, a lot of stuff seems to happen just out and south of San Diego. So that would be Baja as well. Yeah But North to Catalina, I mean there's that Catalina anomaly like right? I mean, I'm looking right out where that spot is actually The one off LA Ventur area That's the is that the underwater feature? they say is out there? Yeah And there was' a lot of site I mean, I think it's Someone I was talking to some UFO guy. And he told me that That is the third hottest spot for US. underwater submerged objects thatidentified unidentified submerged objects. he said that's One of the three hots spots in the globe I have some colleagues actually as well, Dr. Matthew Shadagas and some folks with the Scientific Coalition for UAP Studies. That by the way It's really the only group that I'm a part of. I've never really been one of those. I'm going to go join all the groups and Do that. But I did join SCU. It's a group of scientists They study UAP And some of them did some investigations out there in that same area and they actually did film something unusual. The Nimitz incident, again is really one of those intriguing ones because Here in addition to the video that we have seen, which most are probably familiar back in twenty seventeen, New York Times did the article that kind of first released that there was this investigation within the Defense intntelligence agency. accompanying that reporting, there were three videos released. That video had actually been out there on the internet for years It had already been in circulation But again, when you have a couple of FA eighteen super hornet pilots who said that they went out there, they were they were vectored out there to investigate because there was an unusual radar trg. they see something that was moving really weirdly over the ocean surface and there was this roaling kind of bubbling up. rom underneath as though there was something under the water where this object was moving around and then it zips right by The lead pilot, a commommander Dave Fraver And then they said that they got a similar track on radar Moments later at what's called their C point, which was a designated position that only they knew of and that they were using for a position for their training exercises during their war game exercises that afternoon. So Later that afternoon, they sent out another group and another pilot named Chad Underwood. He was actually the weapons systemystems operator on board an outgoing FA eighteen at that time. Basically the guy who's working all the weapons systems and the cameras He actually gets a track on this object out there in the distance that they can't identify. And so he zooms in and films it for a few seconds and that's the famous footage we've got. But I mean, in my case That's a really weird one. And those objects were allegedly observed on radar dropping from like ninety thousand feet, which is higher than any other our aircraft go with the exception of Maybe there are some spy planes that can get on up to seventy eighty thousand feet Balloons can certainly get up that high But they said these objects would drop from ninety thousand all the way down to sea level And you know again, that would be impossible for any kind of aircraft that we know to exist to traverse that distance in that amount of time, considering G forces and all these other things. I mean it' be ripped to shreds Yeah you know, I saw that happen the night I had my craziest UFO encounter by far And the only one I had where it was up close Let's hear it. hear it. This is what we did. We went out well, we've been watching these things at this point for like three years and going up to this place Patrick's Point State Park. And I was listening to like one of those big UFO podcasts There's a guy on there had a daytime thing happening up there at Patrick's point and It was like he was like Within two hundred yards were where we were, but ours was at night. We went out there my buddy was a San Diego State professor. He was a wild dude. And he he he's, you know I was saying like man you can you can communicate these things like non verbally like you know, you can think things and they can pick up what your thought and they can give you a thought back. L I didn't have big long conversations with them, but just Well, I'll tell you the first time I ever saw UF, I'll just tell you real quick. I'll get you the brie rundown. It's a long st start. I'll get you the quick one It was one of my very first Bigfoot where I was the first person to hear about it is my buddy's roommate in college was fishing up and up in Ork and is on the south border of Reba National and State Park and he was fishing for salm in the summer running. it was mid October and it was really foggy And Redwood Creek is really like a river. Itss it's deep and fast flowing like, you know during the rains. and it it just rain There's the world's biggest E curves right there So he'd hear these elk come down. they'd come down the and it's it's a levey system the levee starts right there before it goes through town It's it's a wild river Creek, whatever coming down and then it gets on the edge of town and when the valley spreads out it they put in levee walls. So he the right where the leeveys start You can hear like the gravel and sand coming down and like, you know, something big coming down and Th then he'd see the elk and the elk would hed hear him surge in there he couldn't see him. He could hear him come. They'd surge across the creek and then their feet wouldn't touch. and so when they You couldar him swimming, like, he'd he him come into the creek like directly across from and then he'd lose he'd hear the legs, you know, get softer and softer as it got deeper in the water and legs weren't you know, making too much noise. and they'd go as they swam across and floated. you'd hear him surge out the other side just blow him he'd barely catch up he'd barely be able to see him barely Then also heard something like he thought it must be the biggest bullock like on the planet come down And it surged to the waterers. You could clearly hear it on two legs and it was like way louder than the other things. It never lost footing and surged across the hallway. As it came as short, was way closer than the ellk were when they came across It just w it looked at him and just kept walking about eight footer just built like a, you know, like just like The biggest NFL lineback they ever saw eight foot, eight hundred pounds And like he just he came back and cpped his pants and Told usisten I had my license suspended at the time. So I couldn't drive. and so I got these girls to give me ride up there and they were kind of like hippie like toal hippie chicks. They were cool And so they want they were all exatis and and he told exactly where it was like This is the first big fooot investigation I'm going to like where I'm not it sound like I'm reading something John Green wrote about was Some of newspaper articles I read was like, I heard it and it was that day like everything else everythingthing else I' ever follow up on was like years or months old So this was like, I was like, oh my God, I was't able to see it. Like this is crazy So we were driving up that night at about seven o'clock in October, it was dark already. And we see this white and red light likeike a mostly red Yeah, it was was it was flying north of Trinidad of Trinidad heading towards Patrick's pointint out over the ocean And we drove up and then it kind of was hovering just just west it turned out Northwest of turnurned out over the ocean. We pulled over on the side of the one hundred one the same how would the other benefit happen on about thirty miles south This was this is before that by about three years And so we're up in North of Eureka there And we washed it and we were pulled over on the side of the road. We were watching it. We could see there was another car pulled up like you know, a hundred yards or so one hundred yards ahead of us. We can see there was another car pulled pulled over also and like you know, we seemed watch it because they pulled over like when we did and Well, he was actually pulled over already actually. And so we got I said, I I know the perfect spot we go out to wedding rock off of Trinad State Parkers is Rck that juts out in the ocean. there's they kindut of a trail out up into it out of the rock itself and then the rock like theyre just carved stairs in the rocks It sticks out in the ocean. so So let's go up there. so we jammed up there, We went out there, we setll on the rocks And we saw That ship that just flew off and went way up high, but then We start seeing We thought they were stars at first, but they were like pulsing, like they weren't much bigger than stars And they weren't super bred But they started getting brighter and brighter. they came lower and lower They just they just zigzag like crazy. and there was this one there they were like Purple, white, blue, purple, white, red, red, white and blue, blue and green, blue and white, green and white, green, white and red, whatever They just pullse these different colors And like like it was like a heartbeat almost it looked like and they had There's a zigzag like with no no rhymear reason And the girls they had had a bunch of UFO encounters out in The foothills of the Sierraas at a famous I found it later it was a famous UFO spot Re well known like guys south of Sacramento. Okay Its byite Angel's camp Anyways So they were calling it the mothership, the mothership and So we, you know, we watched that and then I looked at the girls because there's this one green and blue and it only it only flash green and blue. mayaybe like' kind of purplpleish a little bit in there too just was not as erratic and it was way smoother and like more graceful and I looked at the groost and I said, you know, look at that one, that purple green one, whatever perly blue green one And they were like, I go, yeah, I I go, I think that thing And we also at this time, a female then the one girl Cassie's like She's like Yeah, you know, if we If we cross our legs and put our palms out like we sit like that lototus position you like like Buddha does and you like put your you make like the okay s your thumb and forefinger then put your your middle finger you' pinky straight out. Put them upside palm up on your hand and like sit cry like, you know, the cross sciss or legs, whatever And so we did that and I was kind of like This is kind of, you know, like normally I' make fun of something like that, but I was like This like this like they they I've never seen these things before they have So I'm just don't know what they say. So we did it and I said, Well, let's look at it and ask it if you're a female spinning fast tight circles So on three will just, you know,, you know, say it mentally and I don't know if we send it verbally or not.' defitely like go. So, let's just say, like we' send a message If you're a female spinning fast tight serles and So we go, all,'s a one, two, three, and you know, if you're a female, sprinning fast tight cirles if you're a f Be before we finish the second line, it just goes and like spun and really fast, really tight circles like faster than anything all night Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff and Bobo. 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We'd go there and just watch it night and Well we saw one acc that's okay An green and blue one flew over the one hundred one, which is at night it's really slowed down like especially in mid October, there's not a lot of traffic One of them flew over the there's a lagoon right there's some coastal lagoons right to the north And it flew over big lagoon Stop over number one and just like a whole huge like light came out of the bottom of it and lit up a You know, like a couple hundred yard area And it was it was, I don't know, like several hundred feet up couple hundred feet, maybe three well because the redways there can get up to three hundred So this this thing was like probablyrob four or five hundred feet above above the ground shot a beam down and we saw cars going like one or two cars goingast north and south stop. they wouldn't drive into the beam And then it did that for like I don't remember like two minutes then it flew around there with its beam on and then it whatever just took off. the beam stopped. it flew away and It wasn't too much longer after that that maybe an hour after that. This is probably This is at this point it' three thirty in the morning And five fighter jets came from the South. and they they went out they went towards the The little flying whatever orbs, I guess or UFOs And they all just shot up straight into the sky it's just like they must have been going like ten thousand miles an hour or whatever And they just zoom and they zoomed up and like literally, as soon as they took off Within two seconds they were like gone. I couldn't see him and Those fighter jets all flew up and like went towards them. H didnn't even go five seconds in the direction those craft went and they flew like regrouped and flew back the way they came from There's a good part th Let me just get I'll do this part real fast. My buddy ke there I said We can pick these we get these things, pick us up If I think we can pick I think I think they want to pick us up they I kind of got the message they wanted me to get on board Like it sounds crazy and like like, o I' like being an egotist like, Oh, they wanted me. I'm special, but it was like I think it was like anyone wants you that I'm sure they' just like, yeah, if you want to, I don't know We went up there and me and my buddy and we climbed out on that rock And we sat there in that position and we said We're ready to go for a ride, come pick us up and that mother looking ship one was it appeared way up high then all the way to the horizon probably about fifteen and eighteen miles out, it just drops straight down. I just remember thinking like like when a swer drops down on the web and it stops, it kind of that point it just kind of stops a little bounce that kind of did that and it just started rushing towards us And we start we're just like we're like, I S in my head just inst starts saying like this inneroice start like guardian angel, whatever want to call it was saying Well, well these things I just remember I remember this clear. there was it was my own voice saying But all these things mean you No good like this is these are not good for you. Do not like you do not want to do this But I was frozen, dude, like L I was like hypnotized. like maybe it was just shock you could say whatever. but mean, I was frozen And my buddy was I remember then I was fighting it, fighting it and then And I was like, well, you better I was just talking to myself like when her third person. I was like, you better get up and get going. You're going to be screwed like You're going to get probed or whatever. And I was like, this isn't good. and I remember as soon as I snapped out of it after about T seconds this thing was, you know, rapidly approaching was it was over halfway towards us at that point from the horizon and coming fast and it was flying probably Fty, fifty feet off the water, or something like that and It was coming quick and I looked at a Nick, Nick and I grabb and started shaking him and his mouth was wide L he looked like like a comic strip. like his mouth was all the way open, his eyes were popping out of his head. and he was just slack jw frozen J like just in utter shock I remember I started shaking and I swapped him the face twice kind of hard and I started running dragging by his collar draggging him over it's granite, you know, it's like The steps are all cut out the rocks, I' draing, jumping these granite steps that he's He starts scramming, getting on his hands and feet like crawling real fast and then he funally gets to his feet and We run, we just take then he passes me that almost knocks me off the cliff and runs runs like, you know, and we're both running on the path and the the rock you kind on the backside of the rock And at this point, we're out of sight we're out of sight of the of the craft coming towards us And we ran and we came up And you drop down a se level then you go back up and it's I think the cliffs like o eighty ninety feet up, hundred it's about a hundred feet. And as we're going to the trailers, it's overgrown on both sides of these big bushes that are like, eight foot tall, ten foot tall And so we could see as as we got closer to the top where there's a parking lot up there As we got there we you just see the the Red white mostly red light lighting up, like trees in it like the whole area around us. because then you get up to the top, there's redwoods all around it and sick of spruce, like, you know, pretty it's all second third growth, but There's, you know, there's still tall trees like, you know, one hundred, one hundred and fifty feet, whatever. And So we run up and then and then it comes into view And it was like holy, it looked like an upside down lava lamp little more compact, not as skinny as like like like if you squish a lot of that like top to bottom and expand it out to the sides a little bit, upside down I was pulsing like red and white Oh my God, we ran up and we were in the parking lot and then it comes up and it was silent and it rises up over the trees like and stops about I don't know, look two hundred feet from us. it was up, you know, like I'll probably hundred feet one hundred and feet probably one hundred feet away and then two hundred feet up. somethingomet like that And all of a sudden out of it like you couldn't see the like you couldn't see like the side he couldn't see the physical structure, but you could see the outline of the I mean, you couldn't see any any any sense of like, what it was made like it was just the shape But it was no hard edge. it was just pulsing lights. And then this like red looking hockey puck about five foot by two, two and a half foot comes out of it. like you didn't see anything open like no opening It just came out of it And then it flew over us really slowly and stopped behind and I remember we both we were both like so frozen. I we both were looking looking looking as it went over we just tilting our heads up and we both fell on our like on our ass because we just we didn't turn. We just were looking we were frozen with our head following it So we knew so far back looking backwards that we both fell over. I still got a little scar on my elbow from that actually And then it stopped and then over the course of the next like minute or forty five seconds It just also ch, ch, chom, chom, chim Th Red little basketballs come shooting out of it. like L like' it came out of the the The hockey puck look thing it just They shot out like one hundred miles an hour and then within fifteen feet, they were just floating like You know, at like two miles an hour. like a hundred of them came out or so. Oh as it came in through the canyon There's a f fur seal colony right there. There's a sea lion colony out past that. So there's there's hundreds of pinnipheeds in there. all went crazy. Dud like raz like Like maybe if a bear got down there or something, like, you know, was grabbing like a sea line, like they'd make a noise like that. but it was that kind of noise like like predator like there's a predator in the group And they just went nuts And then those red balls came out We heard cor doors slamming like of sudden head lightights com out of like, you know, where the campsites are we saw a couple of cars like flooring it out of there just gunning it And then we just were like I like, let's do, let's go, let's go And I remember looking over towards the North of Eest and there was a family and there roasting marshmallows you know, one hundred yards from us, you know, one hundred and fifty yards at the most And they're just sitting in the ros and like some of those red orbs were above like the trees just just above their heads. and they as far as I know, they never saw them Th we start running out of the park and As you run out, we're running through the meadow, which is twinillly enough the the meadow in Jurassic Park where they have the overhead shot where They're going through the grass and the velocaptors come from like six different angles at them, like converging on them This over that's the meadow we were in They were running and then this other dude was running out of the tree line where the other campsites are. And he's dragging his tent You can hear his like stakes clangings. he's dragging his tent, his sleep nging over his shoulders H the serice shows. There's some weird stuff going on here man And we're like, Yeahah, we just kept running and then We ran up to where the poy housing was, you know, like maybe a quarter mile away. we rount into the The hockey puck was following us the whole way. behind us just stayed back along the tree line. like maybe you know, eighty hundred feet up and it just you know was following us and then when we got to where the employee housing was, it stopped and we didn't see it anymore And But there was two park employees. I don't know if they were like biologists or landscapers. I don't know what they were, but They were sitting there on the back porch. There was two of us are watching I said, You got to call the cop. you got to call the newspapers. You got to call the government. They got to call the Air Force Like Just shaking their head like, we're not calling anybody And that then we didn't see anything after that. But yeah, that was the that was my encounter. Have you ever heard like something like those balls getting shot out before Man. I tell you well, well, there's a lot going on right there. I have heard Well Wel right now, Oes. This kind of makes up for some of those other episodes we don't say very much. Oh my God. I've been hearing that Bobo had some amazing UAP stories and I'm thrilled to be able to hear these actually finally. We've been meaning to do this for a long time, but ye I haveve heard some things similar to those. And and like you heard of like a hockey puck coming out and then shooting out basketballs I have heard of I have heard of something that in sports fans is what he really wants to know. Yeah Yeah, exactly. I had one witness who saw one of the big triangles over Oregon say that he saw an object that and the way he described it was it looked like a burn barrel But he said a red burn barrel rose out of the back of the craft and moved independently and started flying around and doing what he said looked like a grid search. So I actually have heard of he didn't explicitly say a hockey pug Yeah, but yeah, yeah. he said, you know, just like you you'd take a big you know, a tub or a barrel or something and stack wood in and everything and start burning that and everything. He said it looked just like that, like there was like fire or something coming out of the top of it So it wasn't really hockey pug shaped, but it was like kind of like a I guess you'd say some sort of a glowing kind of you know, cylindrical shape and that that came out and moved independently from the larger primary craft. So I mean, I have heard about that just not necessarily hockey puck and description. but one more thing to Bobo When you talked about meditating or conveying your intent to these craft and also the one that did the circular kind of motion when When you in the the hippie chicks were kind of meditating at it There was a study that was done back in the nineteen seventies called Project Iidentification. and there was a physicist named Dr. Harley Ruttlledge who was with, I think he was it was one of the universities there in Missouri, but they had an official UAP study because these things were being seen all the time. These lights that would zip around and there were colored light. It's a lot like what you were describing earlier in that account And he said that in some instances they could point at these things and they would move around or they would change their direction in response to seemingly somebody pointing or acknowledging them. So As crazy as that might sound to people who don't read deeply into UAP literature You know, for somebody to say, yeah, I was you know, conveying a thought to the thing and it seemed to respond, there's actually a lot of that in the literature. And in some instances, scientists like Harley Rutlledge claiming that he actually had that experience. and some of his students themselves, but they also described those lights moving around like you were talking about. And the ones that do the zigzags That's what gets me because I mean, if we're just talking about satellites or Meders, you know, generally speaking, they aren't going to do zigzag. movements, right? And so Yeah, that is extremely interesting. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliffip and Bobo. We'll be right back after these messages I take one's daily Gardiance at each d. And for adults with type two diabetes and known heart disease, Gardians can lower the risk of cardiovascular death too. 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