Summary of Glenn Thomas Observations

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He These guys are your favorites, so like share, subscribe and rate it five stars and be The greatest bodcast. Wh they are listening or watching? Rember always S watchatching hosts Cliff Berkman and James Bobblefe. T's up, Oobs Oh not let's small the cllivy Oh, just stuff, you know, working and living and doing all that sort of stuff 've been out in the woods a little bit. I went to the Oltantic Peninsula this past week It' beennd three nights out there, I guess, and for nothing you know, a lot of good camping, no big footing, no big foot around as far as I can tell I dropped by that property, Michael's property outside of Port Angeles there where we got that G that handprint and footprints in the past and whatever else. didn't seem to be anything going on there notot on the property. Of course, I'm referring to Michael who and he and his family are snowbirders So they've been off the property for many, many, many, many months since basically last winter And I was and they're going to be popping by again, I guess this summer. So I always like to drop by the property A about four or five, six months of their absence to see if the Bigfoots had been around, But I didn't find any sign whatsoever on their property and then I walked the logging roads all around the area as well for nothing. so the Sasquatches have been around, I couldn't find any sign of them That sucks because that was always such a that place was always the good. I mean, there was they were always there at some point Oh yeah, and I'm sure they're there, but just, you know, I didn't see any sign is the deal, you know I walked down in the ravine and whatever else look around for some tracks. And you know, there were some possible things here and there or whatever But nothing you can really say, oh yeah, that's a housewatch right there A lot of bear sign though. I will say that a lot of bear sign So maybe, I don't know if Saasquatches and bears have you know, some sort of mutual exclusion thing going on where one's around and therefore the other isn't if there is any connection whatsoever in that sort of in that sort of area, I guess The bears are there, the saskatches aren't. Right But I did just speent a few other nights in the woods and but got to see some Upper reaches and some drainages I've wanted to get into for a while for the next night or two. I even dropped by and saw Derk Randallles for a minute A in Yeah, yeah, he was going to meet with his family up at the Olympic Project property, like his kids and whatever else All right You know, so I got to see two of his kids, which is always fun for me because they have they're like, you know, young men with families and stuff now and you know, I did I remember doing a footprint investigation with both of his sons or two of his sons, I guess. and They were like ten and fourteen or something at the time. So it's kind of fun to see how they're growing up and everything Right. Yeah But what's up with D you man? Any good I went down some of and some friends went down south. fle out for a couple of days B bunch of guys our eighth grade class. But like half the guys in our class. there's only thirteen of us, but like half the guys have our for taser than m. couple of weeks of each other So we had like a get it for that There was a couple of pigeons there, but I think there's only one pigeon in my class. the guy Jones M. Youither got the rest of them were like To years younger I see. Okay We a year younger, somewhere a year younger or two years younger. Th Ch I think Chs and we were the only ones in our grade Any good stories pop up? Anything you've forgotten about? Oh tons The anic brother, come on. he knows a bunch of them Oh, I'd love that Dude get look at of mic and he'll go for hours Sounds good Yep, and up it flying down it sucks. I was well g around it's Bomo story time tooud. He's gonna say some things that'll blow your mind. cllassic. And if you see he's flying, he's gonna kick youhind for sure Once again, it's Bobble story. Any description of felonious or criminal activity is being told here strictly for entertainment purposes and is in no way admission of guilt or even true for that got down It was a hot day and we got down to I flew I had a connection usually I just fly direct to LA. but I've had a connection to San Francisco, which is always a nightmare Usually always actually the last few years it has been all right But it used to always be a nightmare. Itways came down there and there was like thunderstorms a lot of stuff going to the east and tornadoes and whatever' they' diverting planes and Wed sit on the runway for like an hour or a night, o, I was going on and they double booked. becauseuse myuddy he he's one of the guys in our that I graduated with. he's a likeike intern he's global director of international shipping compompany and he has like over two million air miles or something. He's got tons of free air miles He's got over a million miles that he can just give away So he got me a ticket to come down And I was like, Ohh, no big deal. just I just need to wind it. just make sure I got a window seat and then I didn't realize the one that flies direct to L.A and back has like it's G good plan if you can have enough room and your knees aren't pressed in the seat in front of you and all that On the way back I was in one of those cattle car I mean, the way from San Francisco to LA is one of those cattle park ples where you're just all just wedged in like youre no matter what, you're just pressed up against other people. yourour knees are against the seat in front of you. So I was double books. I went and start only threw my backpack where I thought I was going to be sitting and they moved me And I went up and talked to the The stewardist I was like, Hey, there's some guy sitting in my seat. She goes, I'll get you something. I said, Yeahah, it's gott be a window. And she goes Yeah, okay, we got it and 'causeuse it was a full flight And then so then they had me sit up way closer to the front, but there were still people getting on board. I had to go against the whole grain to get up there to to you don't feel to go against the traffic when you're trying to board the plane There's one Jackaloke that's always like trying to go back to the front of the plane. that was you That was me, which I hate that person So then I didn't to go back I't want to go back and get my bag out. was because all the overhead bins were filled by the time everyone came off, So I was like well, I'm not going to pull it out. I was something to get it after the flight I'm sitting there this this big huge f guy assidement in the lobby like in a wheelchair He came on last actually sort of first He goes wing down and I was sitting there I was like, Oh no. And I'm like this one the only C IC is next to me and he comes waddling down, dude like they're helping him come down Like he was, he was out the wheelchair at this point And he's just like hold like grabbing seatbacks like for balance and struggling down and he plops in next me and he just was like in my seat. like there's no way that we could both sit next to each other. It was impossible gave him a belt extension and he got in there and I was just crammed in and I was like sucks and we sell the runway for almost just like fifty five It was just sort of an hour. we sell the runway They sea wasn't working anything. The air wasn't on. We were just sweating. just sweating there And the guy He was trying to like, you know, I was like, dude, you know, you can't be in my seat and o because he came on last. He had his bag. so he had to put his bag under his feet. So his his like his leg was completely in my seat. likeike I was Ttally twisted sideways. We sat that for fifty five minutes. it was hot as hell I sweating And we finally takeick off and we go And we go to we f five LA we're like ten minutes from landing and they go to school. put his head to Alec he put it like covered his face with his hands. The dude just cpped his pants Oh no It's going spe be like leaking all over me and su I do you need to help to get up you need some help to get guys I can't. he's like shook his head And I was just like, oh no. and But I can see that he had I then I I noticed he had a diaper on. So I was like, okay, looking at him d bright looking at He did have a daproon turned out But still was And we sat on the runway there for forty five minutes waiting for us our space to open up because they ever had shorter cleaning crews So I was sitting there next this guy instead of being like Can we land in ten minutes and you know, another ten minutes so we're off the plane or whatever It was like another hour and twenty minutes of like justust sitting at this guy just full of It's just from my head It was just so gnarly. the air wasn't on again and It was it was one of the worst extrees and we were both dashed and sweat Yeah. And of course, you're you're both victims to herear it because the guy clearly, you know, was not maybe well obviously, you know. And then of course you have to deal with it as well. It's just there yeah I don't know I don't know who I feel worse for. You or him, honestly. I felt worse for him because he was super embarrassed. He wasn't just like, whatever Oh and the lady next one was pretty bummed too I bet But she could at least lean into the aisle Yeah, but then the flight the flight home, I got he bumped me after first class because the dady said, you give me first class, I' like, don't worry ' because it was all filled anyways On the way back is get in your first class seat. so that was So how to Very smooth. Ch home. Okay, that helped make up for it a little bit, I guess. So Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliffin Bobo. We'll be right back after these messages It's Jacob Goldstein from Business History. In our new series, American Genius, we tell the stories of three great writers who changed the way business works in America. Our first episode is about Benjamin Franklin. Among many other things, was a best selling business right. Take a listen He's writing this much later in his life consonsciously creating this image of himself I do want to emphasize how unusual this model is at the time, this self made man myth because you don't want to be self made. It's low class to be self made. You know, this idea that we have today is the opposite, right? And it comes from Franklin. todayoday. there is the derisive term neepo biting. Well, exactly right. And these days, if you are a billionaire, you had better have a Benjamin Franklin story about starting in a garage, coming up with the idea from nothing. And here is Benjamin Franklin inventing it right before our eyes This has been brought to you by Odu To listen to more of our American Genius series, listen to business history New episodes release every Wednesday on the IHart radio app or wherever you get your Paramount Plus is now the home of all your BET favorites. That sounds nice. With all new episodes of all the Queen's men. You stand up when you talk to the Queen. Plus a whole new world of movies like Gladiator two. I must have power. Original series like The Shy. Life comes at you fast, whether youre ready for it or not. In live sports like UFC home Welcome to Paradise. Same family. That's all that matters to me. Your BT favorites are now on Paramount Plus. suubbscribe now The all new tropical butterfly refresher is now at Starbucks Dive into juicy guapa and Pure frruit flavors with mango pineapple popping pearls bursting in every soup Ice cold, instantly refreshing and impossible to put down. Made for summer, only at Starbucks what are we doing this week then Whenen Thomas Glenn Thomas People love the historical deep dives. So when I was going back through the notes, we have referenced Glenn Thomas and his various sightings and the one in particular. I bet you we've referenced it like thirty times over the seven years that we've been doing this podcast. So it seem like a natural deep dive instead of always like making quick references and then telling people where to go look into it, I figured we would just cover it And so the version that I have pulled up is I think the definitive version is John Green's version from Apes Among Us from firsthand interviews. and it also has not only the most famous You know, the most detailed of the stories and sightings, but he also covers the additional sightings too. So I thought that would be a good one to cover today Sounds great. Yeah. it's a great, great report. It's local. I love that. It's just right down the Clackamus River And I guess when we get there, but we'll learn more about it these these rock pits and whatever else that he witnessed being dug out. They're still there. Although they're not in good shape. I will say that. I didn't go there this past year, but I think I was here the year before And they're just not in good shape anymore. So whatever that's worth. Oh maybe I was there this past year thinking about it Why was I up there Who was I? Oh, I remember I was I was up there this past year I think I went up there in August if I remember right But anyway, yeah, let's how do we want to do this? You want to jump in and start reading the story and we comment on it like we did before or I think that'd be the good way to do it All right Yeah I think it'd be good to start with John Green' sort of preamble because I think it it's apropo, but he starts for anyone who has the book, it's a memorable page number. The story starts on page four hundred twenty of her Apes among us. and John starts with Considering how rare it is for a person to see a saskquatch once, it always seems suspicious when someone reports that it has happened to them twice, although there is certainly nothing impossible about it Unfortunately, from that point of view, four of the most informative of all sighting reports come from the same man Nor does it help much that all those sightings took place within a period of a little more than a year The man had been spending every available hour since the first encounter trying to find the things again and he lived where he could be in good country within minutes after leaving his home All his reports seemed entirely reasonable, and there was no indication that he was not a reliable person. He did not gain anything by telling the stories. In fact, he did not tell them unless asked and was most insistent that his name be kept secret for fear that his neighbors would find out what he was doing While the rest of us were wondering how he could have possibly have seen so much, I expect he was wondering how we could have been fooling around for so long without seeing anything But his most recent sighting was more than eight years ago now, and he has been hunting most of that time. It's my personal opinion that he's telling the truth. If he isn't, I don't know who is So want to comment on that before we move al? Absolutely, absolutely. There's this thing, especially with the early researchers and John Greene is obviously one of those that if you had seen a sasquatch more than once, you're probably a liar. And no John Green didn't come and say that in this paragraph and said he kind of said the opposite. He said, A, there's plenty of reasons to not believe them, but I kind of believe them. is the gist of that paragraph he just read I mean, I was reading Peter Byrurns book on the way out to the Ohio Conference a few weeks ago and he said Yeah anybody hass seen one more than ones. I just don't believe, you know Its like, really And it kind of what it really reminds me of is the Paul Freeman stuff. honestly, I'm going to go back there again. I believe and I actually this is in writing. this past month, Daniel Perez, who publishes The Big Foot Times every single month He did a feature on me, so I got to do a written interview with him And I think I put something in there that was a little Maybe not prickly, but like a little surprising to him because I basically said that I think all the early researchers, John Green You know, Rene Hndon et cetera Paul was telling the truth because he got so much and those early researchers got so little is the deal You know, but the fact is just like this Clenn Thomas guy, if you're out there you have a way higher chance of actually doing stuff instead of chasing sightings. See, if you're chasing sightings, which is what most of the early researchers did, not all but most of them thenen you are going to a place where a Bigfoot was instead of where one might be. You know what I mean you're going to the places where it already was and sure it might be in the area. you might get lucky or something like that But if you're in the area, I think you have a better chance of seeing it. I just think that if you're out there in a general zone and this zone where Glenn Thomas was working is very good. It's the Callawash River found the clackus is still very, very good You can see these things more than once is the gist of it because they're just regular animals. It's like seeing a bear more than once. It's just very, very rare and some people are lucky. I mean, Bubo's seen Sasquatches a handful of times I don't see any problem with it That's what well that's why when I always remember that when I was in the logging unit Before I knew it was going on, I thought it was R' out theres reing with us even though it was like snow on the ground like late November four thousand feet on the north slope. We got those whistles and noxnicle lunches getting stolen out of the crny. Like I just thought like, well You're only going to have one encounterver you're not going to hear like you're not going to hear them like a bunch of times. Like so I thought like, It can't it can't be a big fcus. you're only you're only to have one encounter your whole life if you're if you're really, really really lucky If it doesn't have to be so, it doesn't have to be so at all and of course, John Green does explain and he says he was out there or he lived in a place where he could be in good habitat in minutes and he was out there all the time. So there are explanations for this sort of stuff It's just that I'm not sure how much those early guys were out doing the stuff. I mean, what really no one knows really I know that they followed up on a lot of reports and they talked to a lot of witnesses and they did a lot of good pioneering work But that's really, really different from living and working in the woods and spending as much time out there as you possibly can trying to find these things You know, that's just a different way about going about doing so. And sure they would take trips. They would go a week or two at a time from what I understand. I don't have a lot of information about their trips because no one really does. They didn't write a lot of this stuff down. But from what I understand from people who knew these people firsthand and maybe even went to the woods, they'd go for a week at a time or two weeks at a time You know, I know Bob Titmus spend like a month or a month or more at a time down in Bluff Creek, usually in October every single year I mean, that's a good run But that's still not working in the woods This guy was a logger. He was out there all the time daily I think, for probably for months at a time. So P's usually driving in and then when it's dark usually Yeah, absolutely true What's interesting rereading this is he doesn't name Glenn Thomas in this work. He keeps him anonymous. But before we get to the next section because I was kind of curious about this and then I figured well, if IO was too, when I first encountered it, maybe the audience would be. So Bobo, do you want to tell people what a cat skinner is Oh look Yeah, like it drives like a caterpillar. Blldozer And they punch in the roads Ling roads I figured with your professional experience, you'd be the best person to tell the audience because I remember when I first heard the st read the story, had to search what that was. so for people who don't know it, but Green gets into Here is how he told the story of his first encounter in the mountains west of the Clackamus Valley southeast of Eesticada, which again is Oregon So Glenn Thomas' narrative is quote, I was supposed to be watching a cat skinner as he was fire trailing, but it was awful cold, and I walked a mile or so down that trail because he had no need of anyone at that time And I thought I'd warm up and see the country Up where he was, it was a cold east wind blowing. A little farther down, it was a West wind coming in It was late fall, the last weekend and deer season, I think, in nineteen sixty seven There was just a mountain trail. They have several of them up there, footpaths and for horses The elevation was about between four and five thousand feet I came out lower down into the fog before I saw anything, and the fog was freezing on the trees because it was so cold. If the wind would blow, the fog would break and fall off That made it kind of noisy and sounded like walking came around a bend Well, first, I noticed some rocks that were turned over All the other rocks were wet because of the fog, but these rocks were dry Then I looked up about forty or fifty feet up on a ridge of rock and I saw these animals there look like human or just aboutd Large male, the female wasn't so large and a small baby Well not really small, it was moving with them. It was standing up mostly The two older ones were squatting down and sort of bending as they picked up rocks and smelled them They were kind of careful They moved on for a few minutes, and then finally the male found possibly what he was looking for and dug real fast down into the rocks, which were large boulders Not the round type of rock, but the flat, sharp kind. Well, yeah, I mean, this is an interesting thing because today they're There is no real clear road or trail there there just isn't there And so as I'm listening to this, I'm picturing this site and what it looks like, And I know where exactly where the Glen Thomas site is. and if it is on a slope, And and it does go uphill more So I'm kind of curious, Okaykay, well where was this road up higher that the guy was digging around? And actually, I've never walked past the Glen Thomas site or too much passast It maybe fifty hundred yards or something, but it sounds like I need to go a few hundred yards or more up there. to' see what kind of roads might be up there, what'sort of remnants of these trails there would be Be it sounds like he came off the road and onto, quote, just a mountain trail, several of them up there that are footpaths and or essentially for horses. Yeah, he did' note that he came down where he was supposed to be like watching the cat skinner And so that would imply that further up the hill, there's there's there was some roadwork being done or something It's interesting that they were feeding within a mile of like an active logging zone like that Yeah, That's true too But of course we haven't got to the feeding part yet either. But But yeah that's what they were doing there when he saw them. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliffin Bobo. We'll be right back after these messages It's Jacob Goldstein from Business History In our new series, American Genius, we tell the stories of three great writers who changed the way business works in America. Our first episode is about Benjamin Franklin Among many other things, was a best selling business write takeake a listen He's writing this much later in his life. consonsciously creating this image of himself I do want to emphasize how unusual this model is at the time, this self made man myth because you don't want to be self made. It's low class to be self made. You know, this idea that we have today is the opposite, right? And it comes from Franklin. Today, there is the derisive term neepoaing. Well, exactly right. And these days, if you are a billionaire, you had better have a Benjamin Franklin story about starting in a garage, coming up with the idea from nothing. And here is Benjamin Franklin inventing it right before our eyes been brought to you by Odu To listen to more of our American Gius series, listen to business history New episodes release every Wednesday on the IHart Radio app or wherever you get your podcast. Paramount Plus is now the home of all your BET favorites. That sounds nice. With all new episodes of all the Queen's men. You stand up when you talk to the Queen. Plus a whole new world of movies like Gladiator two. I must have power. Original series like The Shy. Life comes at you fast, whether youre ready for it or not. In live sports like UFC Welcome to Paradise. Same family. That's all that noticed to me. Your BET favorites are now on Paramount Plus. suubbscribe now The Starbucks Iice Trchadta shaken espresso was back for the summer Crafted with cinnamon, vanilla and nutty notes of toasted rice Hands shaking with smooth blonde espresso and finished with oat milk for a creamy touch. madeade for summer Only at Starbucks He says, quote I could not explain why those rocks were there. There hadn't been a slide or anything. They were on top of the ridge so they couldn't have come down from anywhere They're loose, quite a few holes underneath them and they are as if they had been broken up Definitely not the round river type rock pick them up and after they smelled them, they would lay them down on top of each other They didn't just lay them back where they'd picked them up, they stacked them up in piles. And then when the mail had found what he was looking for, he really made the rocks fly The Big rocks weighed fifty, sixty, or even possibly one hundred pounds. He just jerked them out with his hand He didn't seem to take any precautions for his safety Later on, I looked and there was some rock there that could have fallen on him, but he wasn't concerned. It brought out what appeared to be a grass nest. Possibly some stored hay that small rodents had stored there He dug through that and brought out the rodents It seems they ate them The rodents appeared to be in hibernation or as sleep or something. There were about six or eight rodents. The small animal I noticed only got one, but the others got two or three apiece Yeah, and there's been some talk about what kind of rodents these are. People said they were hibernating ground squirrels and they could have been, of course, having been to the Glenn Thomas site maybe half a dozen or ten, twelve times, maybe, I'm not sure Probably at least a dozen tim s now that I'm thinking about it the rodents I have seen there the most are pkas Th those are the critters that I have seen there. So I mean, I have to assume that's probably what they were feeding upon, but other people have said they were ground squirrels of some sort. Some people given other specific species, you know, like like goen Mantleground squirrels or something like that. but the only the only rodent size scen there are picas. So and and they are nesting in the Tayless slope The tailus slope is this rocky sort of slope and if the rocks are big enough,'s called a tailus slope. If there are small little rocks like maybe fist size or so, that that's called a scree slope But a tailless slope is what this is It's basically exposed bedrock at the top of a ridge is where this location what's going on at this location? The next part is interesting. I'm not sure exactly what he means by this, but he says About that time they became aware of my presence and Wellell just became alert I was alongside of this trail that follows the ridge. I didn't remember getting there but I was squatted down behind a small tree when I became aware where I was. As soon as they realized I was there, they suddenly began to move real quiet, behind some low hanging limbs on the tree there. I didn't see them again after that So I wonder if he just means he was sort of like transfixed and had gotten off the trail and become alongside the trail, but I wasn't quite sure what he meant by it. What do you think that he just got kind of transfixed and was moving towards it and squatted down and then Once they became aware of him, he realized like, oh, I'm not standing on the trail anymore. I'm kind of off the trail and hidden. I think that he was walking down and he noticed them and the next thing he knew that he was squatting down to get a better vantage point without disturbing them Yeah you just so consciously like went into that me like, you know, like, you don't want to startle around. You don't want to get your give yourself up. So like youah you just went into like Yeah, I'm sure he was a deer hunter or elk, I'd imagine Yeah, that's what I think Bobo's right on that one. Yeah, you just squat it down to get a better observation of these critters. And you know the, and I'm thinking he said about fifty feet or something like that. I could see how you would say that was fifty feet. I would put it a little bit further than that. What do you think, Bubo? you've been there. Oh yeah No, I mean, it's it's close. it's close. I mean, I will say that was that was one of those places that was One of the like The holy sites, you know, big foting was like Bluff Creek, the Patterson site, then there was The Glenn Thomas and then Ape Canyon and then the Peng Boe. for the Peng Boade temple up there in Nepalic, those like those are like the The holy sites for me and Bogy stks Yeah, the Glintn Thomas site is a really neat place to go. I used to bring what when I ran public expeditions for those couple years That's something I would do one day is I take anybody up there who wanted to go see it because obviously, if you're running an expedition You can't promise a bigig fooot's going to show up promised that you can go see something that was reportedly done by AsSask Watch. And I thought that was kind of a neat thing. And it's not this the site isn't very well known Really? Joe Billart actually is a guy who wrote some notes down and I don't know. I think I think he's the guy that kind of rediscovered it somehow and I don't remember how he even did it. I got to ask Joe that next time I see him I found out where it was from him and then started going up there and it' Today not exactly easy to get to. It's a long run And then you got to park and then you got to walk another quarter mile or so with maybe a third of a mile in, which isn't very far, but if you don't know where you're going and what to look for, you'd probably just walk right through it You know,'s like the Patterson site back in the day before they started, you know, marking and building platforms and doing all that stuff there If you didn't know where it was, you would walk right through it. And it's the same thing here with the Glenn Thomas site Well I know there's photographs of Hinner there and John Binnernigl there. Are there photographs of Joh Gen there? I can't remember Pictures of his son there Maybe that's what I'm thinking. I definitely can picture the pictures of Hinter in my mind and Benard Elon. and of course I'll post all those to the the members section. Be it was it was in on the track of the Saquatch originally before it got in the compilation Yeah There's a picture of Jim Green in that. he's five foot ten. He's in one of the holes, you know, six feet deep. I will take a picture of that page and I'll post that for pigeons too. because yeah, it seems like a Fairly briefish observation. He continues to say I tried to follow their tracks in the direction I thought they would have to go, but I couldn't find any, although there was a heavy frost there But the next day I found two tracks, a heel print and the front part of the foot, the toes, but they were in a different direction the direction from which I had come, and I never did get to connect them up with exactly which direction they had gone or know anything about them The footprints, I would say, were about twelve to fifteen inches, but there wasn't enough of the track to tell exactly. posossibly five inches wide, I don't know, at the widest part I don't think they could have been six. I didn't know if it was one of the animals I had seen that made the footprints You know, what's funny as I just turned the page to finish that and there's the picture of Jim Green in the pit in Apes among us. So Well, yeah, of course, I have pictures of Bobo and I in the pits. I think Mel was Meljrom with us, Bobo, or was that a separate trip? B. That's right, That's right. I'll dig those out so we can post them as well. Oh you know did it the the I canember which time I went there But one of the times I was there I know you were there Ciff. I think was I think it was on the expedition was Hear those carr door slams sounds out there Yeah, there wass something about that down there was it wasn't there. I forgot about that Yeah, yeah, we heard those car doors slamming there. There's like no one like there was no one around. Interesting Interesting another I forgot about that. Yeah The site is is interesting because when you're there, like I don't know, we haven't gotten to the part of the story where the with about the big pit, right? where that's the one that everybody wants to stand in. you know, it's like going into a spot. It's like, well you got to you gott to stand in there's the big pit That's the one of Bin ingle and everybody all the pictures you've seen somebody's always standing in the big pit. I think I have a picture of Renea Hndon inside of it as well in the archives actually, I'll try to dig that up. But the pit today is kind of a big rock slid into it a few years ago, you know, because they're There's like tectonic stuff going on there because There's a lot of volcanism in the cascades. It's a volcanic range. And so there's some rumbleling in the ground and things move around a bit, especially with the weather and the ice and the snow and everything that accumulates there That's not the only pit That may be the big one where they're digging something out and stacking the rocks or whatever probably I don't know, six or eight or ten or more stacks of rocks along the top of that spine And if you look around, there's more than a dozen of these little shallow pits and along this tless slope which is an interesting fact there because people who say this encounter did not happen. say that these are like, you know, like vision quest pits from the local native people, for example. they people were known to do that I guess they would dig these like pits and like lay in them and undergo some like ordeal, like some sort of shamanic sort of ordeal in them, you know They wouldn't make ten or twelve of these pits By any means, and they certainly would make them that deep, I don't think either So that that jibes really nicely with the way that the story was told because the animals were Mving and trying this spot, then moving a little further and trying another spot then trying another spot and until until theyit pay dirt eating rats He describes a little bit more of exactly where he was, but then gets into some detailed physical descriptions, which are really interesting. But he said, quote, when I left the Catskinner, he was on Low Creek, but I had walked to Jim's Meadows, possibly a mile or more I saw the footprints between where the cat skinner was and where I'd seen the other animals The only time I saw their faces was when they became alert They gave me the impression of having a face a little like a cat without the ears It seemed like the nose was much flatter. It didn't stick out like a human's The upper lip was very short and seemed to be thin I couldn't remember that it had a chin like a human has So somehow or other, I felt that its face was more like a cat than a human which is interesting because I remember hearing a couple of people I couldn't really reconcile it, but I guess hearing this description again. mayaybe so, but I remember one guy in North Georgia that had a siding And I was asking for details about the face. It was a daylight sighting. And he said It had lionine features I was like, you mean like a likeike a big cat like a lion. And he was like, Yeahah, kind of like that. And I was like What? You know, he was describing the general layout and like the relationship between the eyes, the nose, et cetera. And he's like, you know, their mouths not like a big cat mouth. It's, you know, a different shape, but just Generally like the overall shape of the face And I always thought that was kind of odd. So it's interesting to revisit this in Gln Thomas's and go, o, I guess I can kind of see what he's What he's getting at there Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with Clifftin Bobo. 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Yeah, almost directly underneath the Glen Thomas site is a place called Tarzan Springs as you mentioned, Bobo. And do you remember the origin of that name, Bobo? Yeah, they were doing the census and they were coming through like in nineteen twenty or nineteen thirty. It was in the twenties that the guy lived there, but there was an old mine up there by himself And he was like a hermit guy and he said there was these things all are just like Tarzan and In the movies, you know that or radio back then, whatever it was Yeah. so he said there was apes up there. there was There was, you know, these hairy eight men that were running around wild up there. Yeah, the version I got from Joe Billard who tracked this down is that Joe called the I guess a cartography office or something like that at some point when he was writing his excellent book bigot highighway book down there And he spoke to somebody who's told him. They didn't give him documentation, but they told him The census, as you were saying, at the time,, when they were going through there, they found a hermit living there And And he was living with the apes. is is what he what he was told Now of course, at this particular time, Tarzan of the Apes was the big all the rage. You know, the book had just come out recently and everybody had been reading it. it was like Star Wars or something, but you know, back when people read So Tar of the Apes was all the rage. Everybody was reading it, everybody was stoked about it. It was the book to read And so when they found out about this guy living with the apes at this spring, they named the place Tarzan Springs Yeah, if you go northeast of Jim Meadow, there is a Low Creek but the Low has an E on the end of it, like a family name Right, right. I just found that Jim Meadows is south of the General Glenn Thomas site by maybe a mile or something like that at the most. and then over to the east of it is Low Creek, LOWE not LOW as it is spelled in the book. But then again, Clacemus is spelled differently sometimes in John Greene's book too, so as opposed to the accepted spelling as as of today This part, I think is really interesting where he's describing phhysically what he saw, but he said quote The male was darker than the female, a dirty brown, where the female was a buckskin or fawn colored animal The male had much longer hair on his shoulders, head and neck, and hung in strings like you see on an Angora goat He was much heavier in the shoulders than the female From just above the hips, the male got larger. He had a very wide small of the back From there on up, he just got bigger and bigger They had very rounded or stooped shoulders. The head was set lower on the shoulders than humans. They don't seem to have the neck stand up as we do All that jives, obviously Yeah, yeah, from he heavy, heavy muscles up in the the shoulders, you know, that that all makes sense. Most of the time they were not standing but were squatting down and leaning forward to pick up the rocks This one that was digging just seemed to go right on down I don't remember seeing him get up, but as he was down here, he was just digging and kept going on down. And well at that time, I couldn't see exactly where he was because I was down And they were up a little bit on the side of this rock, which kind of levels off some. and he went down. And so I couldn't see exactly what he was doing in there, but I did see when he came out At that time, I was a little bit nervous I'm not sure, now about half of it, seemed like a bad dream for a while. I just couldn't believe what was happening. It just couldn't be, but it is And that's obviously a common thing that we've talked about that's sort of like dissociation, disorientation confusion, the kind of cognitive shock that people have when they're trying to suss out what it is that they're looking at in these encounters In a lot of these cases, the investigators of your tended to remove a lot of the phenomen loological elements of these reports. They would just stick to the observation, which is fine. you know, you want to know what was seen You know, just the facts, just the details leave out the sort of internal experience, but This is obviously a verbatim translation, you know, a verbatim transcription of The interview with Clint Thomas, which I will have links the audio interviews are available online. Thanks to Todd Prescott. So I have that linked in the show notes. there's a Saquatch Chronicles link that has all the multip parts of the interview. So I'll just link to that so you can get to Tod via Wes via us Anyway, I K kind of glad that Green left that line in there because it does give you a little bit of insight into what the experience was like for him. Like he was transfixed' kind of confused about like, how did I even get here off the trail squatted down behind this stump talk about how nervous he was. and then for a while, I was like, was that a bad dream? I couldn't believe what was happening the impossibility of it, etcera. with the rest of the verbatim portion Green asks him, you know, did you notice the hands at all And Glenn said, quote I noticed that it had hands. I did notice if it had thumbs. I couldn't tell from the way it worked. It didn't seem to use the thumb which I thought was pretty interesting Yeah, it kind of falls in line with the thumb being potentially parallel to the rest of the other fingers, especially when they're picking up rocks and whatever else. because you would expect the thumb to be angled off to the side pretty strongly like in a human or something like that. But that's not necessarily the case with the Saswatch Although I do think that their hands can someome recent handprints I've gotten some cAS I've obtained in the last six months strongly suggesting that the Sasquatch thumb is hyper moobile I'd like more evidence of this, of course, but it seems to be very, very mobile and be able to twist around into some interesting positions that are very unhuman like and to conclude the verbatim portion Glinn Thomas had said, quote I didn't see any knees projecting when it squatted. They were in an awkward position because of the rocks and they couldn't just squat down like we would on a floor They would be on different levels and off too far to be comfortable. That's about as close as I could explain it When they went from place to place, they would shift in position according to the terrain The male, well actually both of them, seem to be moving in a certain direction, possibly from tracing the small rodents possibly it was the scent left by the rodents coming up through the rocks because it was not a runway that they could have been picking because they were just picking the rocks up any place. and as they picked it up, they'd turn it over, smell it, and then lay it on the stack. They left it very definitely in a pile They would leave anywhere from three to fifteen or twenty in one pile as they would reach back and then oh six or eight feet farther, they would leave another pile It's interesting that they're using their sense of smell so much because that's not really the dominant sense for most primates prrimace in general actually. I of course they I use my sense of smell all the time. Don't get me wrong and they would certainly use their sense of smell. more so than most domesticated primates, humans, in other words But I think that's an interesting aspect to the story there that they're smelling it before putting it down. And what were they smelling for? probablyrobably the presence of like urine, honestly, by, you know, rodent urine or something like that more to the nesting or something like that Absolutely. Yeah, that's you would think that you'd have to rely on scent to some degree to for those supplemental things that you couldn't just easily see or hear. I guess you couldn't really hear them if they were stationary in there and they would ds or middens or whatever they would be called nests, you know So he goes on, there's a little bit of a segue before he describes Thomas's other sightings but Green says,ote In other conversations I had with him, he mentioned that the small creature seemed to be afraid of the male and always kept on the other side of his mother away from it He described their method of eating the rodents as being the same as a person eating a banana, except without peeling them Neither of the big ones helped the small one. It had to find one in the hay for itself Renee and I, obviously, Renee Dahindon And I arranged to have him show us the place where this was supposed to have happened. And we did not allow him any time to get anything ready for us Sure enough, the piles of rocks in the deep hole were there And the hole went down about five feet and was as steep sided as a well and just about straight down I won't say a man could not have made it because men can do surprising things, but I don't think it would have been easy Boy, that picture that is in the book where John's son is in the hole Those other two men. That is Renee deeahndon on the left and that is Glen Thomas in the middle Glenn Thomas can be seen in a documentary as well. I think he's I think it was in that one that the BBC made, if I remember right And here's the guy wearing the the hard hat at the logging site, but he's never identified as Glenn Thomas. Really? I didn't know that Yeah, that's Clen Thomas Yeah ye. I think he's in two document old J I think he's in two of those old documentaries I think so because in that one, I believe he's wearing a hard hat if I remember, right. It's been a couple of years since I've seen it. But in that picture there in the middle, he has that kind of floppy looking hat with the brim pushed up. I think I've seen him wearing that at some point as well I just don't know where I saw it. I wish I did, but I just don't know Jus F is reading it from the original book on the track of the Sasquatch I'm listening you guys read and like this that you got there's way more information in your your copy Oh interesting because yeah, I'm reading from Sasquash the Apes Aong U us. So this must be like the more verbata interview than just some like truncated edited version Totally But it's interesting about about the feeding And the baby being that's I always thought this was like such a great insight into like big fooot family structure and you know, like the role of you know, the parents and the offspring and how I've talked to A couple of other people that have that of this three people will last forty almost years that have seen familyam groups interact all said that the little one kept like would keep the mother between it and and the big adult male And I don't know if that's be like lion thing like If lions like, you know, maybe want to kill a a young one if it's not theirs or, you know, is it Is it just because like you know, I don't know. doeses that mean that that wasn't the father? Do they know like that or it's just it's interesting. Kathy Strain brought that up one time during a presentation when she was talking about the Hirry manan pictographs And the hairyman pictographs a large male is on the right hand side and the female is off a distance to the left. and on the other side of the female is the juvenile sasquatch, the juvenile hairy manan And she brought that up as well that the juvenile is a long ways away from the mail And she drew parallel between this and that and the Glenn Thomas site or the sighting, I should say. So an interesting correlation there because you know, in my research areas, I find the female and a juvenile. P prrints often associated in the same general area, but almost never find the big maail So maybe just it's just a function of the way they roll, you know, like Mom and kid are going to be hanging together no matter if the big guy is around or not I think that jibes with a few other reports. There was a really interesting one that a guest that Wes had on a while back that was first like a members only episode, but then he released it for the mainstream. and I'll link to that in the show notes, But it was a very interesting story and The cynical part of me, like when I first heard it, I thought, oh, this is someone like reiterating the Glenn Thomas citing in a modern context, but then there were other elements of the story that you know, I won't try to like explain here but I just thought, okay, there might be actually something to this. But there are shade that is reminiscent that like, well, if that guy's telling the truth, he's witnessing some of the same behaviors. But it's definitely worth a listen, let the listeners make up their own minds. but I will link that in the show notes as well. G in Canada you're talking about Absolutely That was that was such a good one Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliffton Bobo. 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He was talking about The pictograph down there the Miwk tribe is my good friend down this Aboriginal woman down in Australia was out walking about way was he's way he was going way, way out where there no one lives and He found some old rockade paintings and there's one that's very similar that with the male, female and young one. Awesome, awesome you guys Yeah I'd love to see that I'm sure pigeons would have loved to see those too. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's really interesting. I said it to Catleie Strange. She. She wasn't super excited. I thought she'd be all stoked like, well, that's rabbit She was just kind of like That's cool. that's She said it's interesting But like we' mentioned, you know that sighting is pretty famous. The observation of moving the rocks and eating the ground rodents, but like we mentioned, it wasn't the only one that he reported. And like Green said, you know, he said, four of the most credible reports I've taken were all from the same person You know, I like the way the green framed it. likeike if he's not telling the truth, I don't know that I've met anyone who is So he does So like in a truncated way, describe the other siding. So Green says, quote, The other sightings were all in the same general area. In the spring of nineteen sixty eight, he was looking for a place to take some sighting in shots with a gun when he noticed at a distance of about a hundred feet. an animal eating leaves off a willow bush He climbed up on the bank by the road to get a better look The creature was a female with breasts like a woman's but in a lower position on the chest. He estimated it to be only five or six feet high, but it was very heavily built and covered with short dark brown hair As he watched it strip the leaves and shove them in its mouth, he had the impression that its thumbs were not used They seem to be farther back on the hand than a human thumb He watched it only a few seconds before it noticed him and ran off into the trees Although not many miles from the location of the first sighting, it was at a much lower elevation Yeah, once again, I love the thumb observations. those are just so powerful in so many ways because they reinforce what has been seen and the foot in the handprint casts you know, and I just love observations of that sort of thing. and in nineteen sixty seven There were a grand total of zero handprint casts in the world zero The first one was obtained at the Bosberurg site by Ivan Markx, the first two actually So there was a a sketch of one Where was that nineteen? That was sixty eight, I think, actually. When was the Brag one. Oh, that was sixty that was even earlier. So there was sixty three, I think it was. So that was there was a sketch of one, but he had no way of knowing what the thumb was like at that point. So these observations by Glenn Thomas I guess predict future findcience in a way, which is always a compelling aspect to any sort of observation or find or footprint or anything like that. if it can predict future data Well that's pretty strong evidence s there. So that would have been his second sighting And so regarding the third sighting, Greens says, quote, For the next half year, he hunted without success, but in November, he hit the jackpot Crossing a ridge at about three thousand five hundred feet, he found two sets of tracks, both about sixteen inches long and followed them for several miles in the snow, going down a logging road They were not always on the road but kept coming back to it Eventually, they reached a level where the snow was petering out and he lost them in the woods The next day he went back to where he'd left off, and while casting about for more tracks, he saw something dark on the snow across a small open area Using binoculars at a distance of less than two hundred yards, He found himself looking at two Saskquatches sleeping out in the open with their backs to the sky and their knees and elbows drawn in under their bodies. He settled in for a long vigil and they slept for about an hour with very little movement Then one got up and then the other. They went to a creek a few feet away and began pulling up and eating water plants. Both were obviously females with more pndilulous breast than the ones he had seen before And one appeared to have a swelling in the genital area and kept rubbing itself It also gave an occasional loud call, which he described in a computer interview as, quote like a scream in an echo chamber in quote He also saw one defcade in the creek. It stepped up on a wide low stump that was in the water. Bent forward about forty five degrees with its knees slightly bent and let fly Then it wiped itself with one hand and licked the hand briefly That's like Bunny Maker in the po Not the licking part, obviously. Yeah. And then didn't didn didn't he say that she lifed her fingers Like wi wipe yourself and litt your fingershhh Yeah said then it wiped itself with one hand and licked the hand briefly I mean, even before that, you know, there's there are multiple descriptions of Sasquatch is sleeping on the ground with their chests down, like almost in a ball curled up with their legs underneath them and that's kind of what he describes like quote, their backs to the sky. knees and elbows drawn in under their bodies as they were sleeping. And that's a pretty common thing. and There's artistic depictions of like the almas, the Almasti, the Barmanu Like some of the You're Asian an Asian wild men picked it in exactly that position that Indigenous people would say, o, this is how they sleep. And when you think about it, that is the that is the best way to retain your heat is by shrinking up into a ball. and dogs do it. when it's cold, they get bundled up in the smallest little ball they can What they don't realize, of course, and SaSwatches don't realize this Cesar, either is that they're minimizing surface area. So the heat can't escape out into the environment. And Glenn Thomas himself said that he was walking through snow in the area. so it must have been quite cold in the area. so it makes perfect sense that a sasquatch or two in this case, would be sleeping in that position You know, I don't think primates or Apes have a quote unquote mating season. I could be totally wrong about that. or, you know, if it's a r or if there's just individuals go into estris at certain times, but it sounds like Maybe that's what he's witnessing or describing, but then again, the you know, defecating and licking the hand. like I think there's a lot in there that the squeamish person would think like Oh, that's just someone throwing in some gross things for or something like that But then if no one had ever seen anything that hinted at mating, ests or defecation That'd be pretty weird if you're talking about a living animal species, right? So I don't know. I don't find those things like Pmatic But it is a little weird Yeah that's true. That's true It is an interesting observation of like twow females traveling together. sleeping in the open together feeding together. It's interesting, but I just know like I can just hear in my mind a certain portion of the audience sort of like cringing, you know those descriptions. But again This is what the claimant said And I do think it would be weirder if in the entire of Saquatch sighting reports there was No mention of anything like this whatsoever. It'd be like, o, it's probably more folkloric then because If it was a biological thing, you would expect people to see things that are indicative of biological processes and anatomy, etca Yeah. and of course taking a dump in the river That makes might explain away a lot of the lack of fecal evidence as well And if there is something to like estrs or seeking a mate then maybe that is, you know, again, it gave an occasional loud call. So Green concluded that sideited by saying, quote, A feeding for about half an hour, working their way up the creek from him, they lay down again in a new location for about an hour then both got up and crossed the road The female with the swelling climbed a few feet up in a dead uw tree and wailed, then both moved off into the timber above the road. So maybe that does indicate something like searching for a potential mate because it's in Estris, who knows Yeah, they have to find each other somehow Maybe that's what we're all signaling when we do hs. Well, I'm doing that on purpose if I can, yeah. ome hither look, I think Bobo calls it. Y. So he concludes that sighting by saying he estimated them to be only about six feet high but very heavy. They were both dark brown, covered with shaggy, dirty hair When they laid down, they did not seek shelter, although there were trees nearby, and at one time there was snow falling After they left, the observer went home. He said he was too spooked to go over to where they'd been The next day there was new snow I'd love to know where that was because I know it's the same general area And I know the area Yeah pretty okay. I didn't know where Low Creek was, but but I know the Kalawash area pretty well It'd be fascinating to find out if that was ever marked down where the location was So regarding the final sighting Greene said,Qote, his final encounter took place only about a month later. He was following some elk tracks walking on top of old deep snow when he happened to look back and saw right behind him only about ten feet away. A scruffy looking dark brown saskquatch at least nine feet tall It had both arms raised in what he took to be a threatening way, and he scrambled to try to get a revolver out from under his rainclothes. However, the animal quickly ran and ducked behind the roots of a blown down tree And since it was leaving anyway, he did not shoot at it Instead, as the computer form notes, he quote left the area running, in quote His impressions of that individual are pretty spotty, but he realized afterwards that it had a mild smell quote like an old out house, and that it also had a long upper lip that fluttered as it blew through its mouth He also noticed that its hands were very large and long, but with the thumb quote, not up where a human thumb is, quote He decided at that time not to hunt in the woods alone anymore. But I don't think he's kept to that decision. The thing certainly could have harmed him if it had meant to He even speculated afterwards that it might have been a very old animal with failing senses and might have mistaken him for one of its own kind I mean, that one's pretty I don't want to say questionable, but ten feet away is pretty close, you know Yeah, you got to wonder about the estimates. L like when even even when he says I walked a mile down the road, reallyally? a mile mayaybe Maybe a mile's little further than what a lot of people throw around as a mile, I think. So ten feet away mayaybe it's twenty. Maybe it's thirty. I don't Maybe it was closer, but how did it get so close? and it's a pretty big one, but he describes it in a different manner than the other large male that he saw up on Burnt granite Who knows? I don't know Yeah, when he talks about the lip flapping like dude, I totally heard that when I had my my for sure first crazy encounter Yeah, dude That's exactly what that's exactly what happened could hear the the who again, who just Currently It was like the same like like when the the squashers doing that that big mailes doing that that night blow making his lip flap like a horse I could totally picture it like it was it was such an obvious sound and like this he did a great job describing it. like the visual of it. Well, I couldn't see it, but what it sounded like That is really interesting because there's, you know, all those reports about this sort of like Fluttering, gurgling, sputtering sound What's funny is like I didn't get to talk to Manzinsky about this, but I heard that sound once. And it was in the context of going through a big bag of trash And so at first, I was like, am I hearing a bear whatever it was, probably looking for food but it was making this like sputtering sound that maybe the closest thing you could call it is purring. And then I heard an interview with Mayanzinski years later saying like In his first encounter, he heard this purring sound and that a Sosonei person told him like, oh yeah, that's the sound they make when they're looking for food And I thought, oh, that's pretty weird. So so I'd love to tell John that. but maybe maybe that's the same maybe that's how that sound is produced is something like that Maybe that guy sitting next to you in the plane was actually looking for food and making a hurring noise You're triggering me cliff Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff and Bobo. 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Only at Starbucks But Green concludes this overview of Glenn Thomas's sightings by saying, quote, That was his last sighting report. and in recent years, he has not seen any evidence that the creatures are around the area. although there have been sightings by other people. and he says, including one in the Callawash River in nineteen seventy three, quoted earlier in this chapter The last thing he did find in February of nineteen sixty nine were the tracks of two creatures, one with a fourteen inch foot, the other eleven inch that came out of the forest into a field where they appear to have been eating the lower stems of clumps of grass Tracks were made during the night, more than once. But then he found them taking off across country, eventually getting out of the snow He then backtracked into the woods and found that the animals had been sleeping just a short distance out of sight What particularly interested him was that the two tracks were always near each other but never right together