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Is know we're both looking forward to this. I know our official new sponsor, our first ever official sponsor of the show, like overall the godfather of the show. We got a new sponsor he's here to talk to us today. That's awesome. Yeah, yeah. And of course we'll get to that probably towards the end because we have a lot of other fun stuff to talk about in between because today's guest is the lovely and talented Chad Hammel, who was the supervising field producer for Finding Bigfoot. We've had Chad on one other time on the podcast, but I know a lot of people enjoy finding Bigfoot alumni on the show because they get to see behind the curtain a little bit and talk about what went on behind the scenes and how certain scenes were set up and all that kind of stuff. And Chad was I guess there's two ways to look at it. He was either in charge of it all or he's the guy solely to blame. Either way, Chad, how you doing, man? I'm doing good. Thanks guys. You did a mouthful of food. I didn't have a mouthful food, but I'll do it again . How much ? Nothing . Somebody has like big watt of chune tobacco or food or something. I mean, I always have a big watt of chun tobacco in. Just in case I get kidnapped by some big folks, I can give him that and make them sick deep gut Albert Austran reference . So so Chad, you know, it's I mean, not every TV producer knows anything about Albert Austman. How do you feel about that? Like what I mean by that is you are now blessed dashed curse with a tremendous amount of bigfoot knowledge. Did you ever think that was going to happen to you in your life? No , that's a simple answer no . Is it a curse or a blessing? Well, it's starting to become kind of a fun blessing because I'm back single again and so I've been going on in dates and it's a great conversation startup. People are like, well does this you know, they always want to know about Bigfoot and I'm like, how much do you want to know and how deep dives you want to go because there's a lot of wormholes here. That's a great date fodder though. Oh, it is because you know when people like also just like you like to like kind of like leave a big statement there are kind of ambiguous like I went from looking for Bigfoot for years to making ice tea and everyone's like wait wait hold on you gotta explain this to me so then it's a conversation starter for sure. Well we also took a side trip over to Shark Week for a while, right? Yeah, well yeah so after working on Bigfoot, I did a couple more like sort of in the paranormal world of ghost shows and things like that. But ghost people are crazy . So then I moved over to like yeah more nature shows. I did a lot of shark shows, survival shows, things like that. And then the last big show I did was for Netflix. It was a shark international shark competition show called All the Sharks where we went around the world and then these four teams of like shark experts would go and try to find and take photos of different sharks with different woods kind of like Pokemon go . And that was really cool though because it's like it's more about conservation and like, you know, like and showing the show in the world that you know, there',s more than five kinds of sharks. There's more than just, you know, the great whites, tigers, bulls and hammerheads. There's most sharks are under one foot long and, you know , yeah, well those are just the big glamour sharks, right? Yeah . Well, you know how TV does it? They like they only like to have just the biggest thing that simplified down to one note . . Yeah, yeah, that's something that I always found a little frustrating with the TV show, the Finny Bigfoot thing is that we are catering to a mass audience in a lot of ways. So you couldn't really get deep and nerdy as my tendencies tend to deep cool or deep and cool. Yeah, depending on that. I believe that networks under they underestimate their audience. They think their audience is dumb. But then you go to like really smart scripted shows. They don't estimate their audience and they have just fine numbers. I think the reason TV's dying right now is because networks just aren't smart. They thought they're smarter than their audience. They certainly thought they were smarter than us. We showed them . Yep Yeah, did you ever notice a correlation like when you're doing other nature shows like especially on like great whites or tigers or bullsharks in the tropics somewhere like where maybe it's more like not western like you know like they haven't been exposed to TV for seventy years and this and that you ever notice any overlap between like how they like they talk about a Bigfoot and like a tiger shark or something? Was there ever notice any common denominators? Well, again, this goes back to network stuff. The networks always want us to like try to like find one specific shark, like, you know, like, hey, go we're gonna go out there and find and then just make up a name. Like go find Queenie and she's the biggest bad shark in the land. So it's more like making frauding a monster and going looking for that monster. But as far as like looking for things , I mean sharks, a lot of times with the shark stuff I did, we were going to places that we knew sharks were at. I mean, obviously sharks aren't, they don't come to you as much as like when you want them to . So but big flood . But like, you know, like you're going to like, if you go to like Tiger Beach in Bahamas, you're gonna see a hundred tiger sharks. They hear the boats coming in and it's just like a chum. They don't even need chum in the water. They hear it. And then you look back on the boat and there's a hundred tiger sharks following you. It doesn't sound like a great place to swim. No. If someone goes get jump, bigging another sharks in there. Did you ever jump in? I did one. So I was in South Africa and I forgot the place where I on a reef. And there's black tips that aren't, you know, they're not dangerous. They're not dangerous sharks from what I've been told. But they're big. They're like, I don't know, like six feet long. And we're doing B roll and some of the guys go, Hey, trying to jump in. There's like thirty , thirty black tip sharks down there. So I put on these big diving fins, and mass, and I jump in the water. I look down and there's like thirty massive black fenn sharks or black tipped sharks, I should say . They're they're way below me and I see why I kind of kind of circling looking at me getting closer and like, oh I'm gonna go kind of back towards the boat and then I look and get closer to them. I'm like kicking my legs as hard as I can because I'm scared. And these fins of fight I didn't realize was the dive fins. The faster you kick, the slower you go. And I look and this shark's right behind me. I get to the boat and it bumps me and I just let out a scream. I go and got scared ran and got me and they go what happened? I gotta attack my shark they almost start laughing. They're like, dude, that shark just bumped you . If some big bully bumps you a bar it means he wants to fight a lot of times. I've been in the short attack . Yeah , sure. Yeah. So did you do any like cage diving with the great whites or anything ? No, I mean it's like when we're out in Bigfoot. Like I don't really have time. I guess you know when we go big on the nine viscos, I'd be out there with you, but like on these shows like you only have so much auction on your dive times and like your windows to get the sharks with the weather and everything was so quick that we didn't have time really to do anything but just like get the get their cast in there, get what we needed to get. You know, then you have to go in there and like the calms never works. You have to go back down and do it again with COMS. But yeah, no, I never got in there. How much of that footage is it like ADR? Like how much is that? How much I watch the dark any show where they're diving like sharks, I imagine all the dialogue almost always is done after I would say about eighty percent of it is, yeah . Because what happens is I forgot what those columns are called, but the masts have you can talk to each other there at someone on deck , but they never work, ever, ever work. And if they do, it sounds like, you know, you talk to someone in a space station like so then we kind of know what they were saying. And it's not so much made up. Again, again we're just recreating what was said that wasn't recorded. Okay. It's funny. I should send you guys a picture. When you do record it again, when you do the ADR, what you do is you like you have to have the mask on the person and you drop the transmitter into a bucket of water. So you're sitting in a hotel room and you have to read the lines without wearing a scuba mask . I have a picture of where my house doing it That's great. Yes, sent it to us. I'll give it to Matt Pruitt., who's not here today He's off I think he's in the woods or something. I don't know what he's doing, but he will post it on our members section for the members so they can check that out. I lived in New Zealand. I remember this right where I was in New Zealand and I had my friend T,om the Bluefishd Her, he's this big British dude with a braided beard. He was the host of the last show I did called All The Sharks, but he's just sitting there doing his pickup lines. And I pretty much I took a picture because I think a parrot was in the background . Apparently . What are the commonalities, I guess, between doing a Bigfoot show and doing a shark show? And I guess and the second half is like, what are the differences? That's probably more fun. This is not ton because it's just so with Bigfoot it's just about going to the right areas, you know, making sure we have the right witnesses and making sure we have the people. With Bigfoot is way more about making sure we had people to talk to. It's stories to follow up on. With sharks, it's all about, you know, being on a boat, being a it's such a different world like when you're when you're it's like everything's harder on a boat, you know, getting gear on weather, you know, than going out to an area than you know, hoping that sharks are in that area. I mean, 'cause there's a lot of times we would chum all day and we wouldn't see anything. So I mean, it's I mean, it's like doing I guess similar to doing a night investigation where we got skunked. Sharks and Bigfoots don't know the coal sheet. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliffin Bobo. We'll be right back after these messages . What I would say not talking about you, but I would say that people think about like with Bigfoot is like with great whites and others tiger sharks or whatever is that one common common obvious two shows would be you're just spelling myths about a one killer, like some randomized killer that just attacks whatever it sees, like that's true bobes. That's a good point because I also did a couple of that Geo Shark shows and they're like the shows were always called say I survived a shark attack or things like that that they had they like those salacious titles and to get actual shark experts on the talk about it was nearly impossible because they were likere like no, No I don,' I don't like what you guys are doing. I don't sharks are not killers. Sharks like they don't care about people. Like they always say if sharks had hands, there'd be no shark attacks because they use their mouth to feel. They're not out there to kill you. The times they do bite people, they're just like, see what it is They rarely attack people to eat, right? Because they're so rarely attack people. Again, it's they're just feeling you, but the problem is they have a giant mouth of f shullarp teeth. But yeah, so I had a really hard time getting like expert on because they're just like, no, I'm not going to perpetuate a myth of this, you know , mindless killer because that's not what sharks are. And again, with big foot, I think a lot of people have definitely like, you know, like misconceptions about the future . Well, like, what? What are your thoughts? Because you're kind of a civilian in a way. I mean, you're not exactly you're not a researcher or anything like that, but boy, you've been, you know, baptized by fire I mean, I don't know. I kind of feel like, you know, like there's so many different avenues in Pigfoot that there's ways that just, you know, you have people who think, you know, it's a sort of a spirit animal. You have people who think it can travel wormholes that and things like. I mean, I think you know, it's more if it's anything, it's it's, you know, just some sort of North American ape . Yeah . Did you think Sasquatches are real before you came on or this not something you thought about at all. No, I did not think there were well, I grew up in Oregon, so it's definitely part of our culture here. And I had friends whose parents saw Bigfoots in high school and we made fun of them relentlessly. Oh, I imagine you could be a real asshole when you want to be worth but at some point or another that tune changed, I think. When was that? Maybe New York when you and I and Bobo were out or something. We heard that thing or probably, you know, there might not be one specific time, but to me this is always what I tell people. What to me what actually made me believe the most is the witnesses because again we, heard we saw but I never saw anything with my eyes. So but what I did see and talked to was like, you know, remember that guy Tim, the sheriff in Kentucky? Like he shot true like and he was like, I saw from this far. We talked to a secret service agent who can't lie and he saw it from face to face. We talked to a judge one time and these are old people who could only by telling their story can only hurt their careers. So they're not gaining anything by it. What other heard in the first Oregon expedition ? You know, those are all cool, right? Great, but I didn't be able to see it. You'd always have self doubt, right? The cast had very little self doubt. You think Money had self doubt? Come on. I'm saying like the witnesses who, like some of the witnesses, I still to this day don't believe. Other ones, I think maybe we're crazy. But there's certain ness that we all know they're like, this guy like Bob Bob Gimman, you know, you have those kind of witnesses that you're like, I can't argue with this person. He's a tried true person who saw what they saw and like if they saw it then I have to believe it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Like if these people didn't see but we heard some really crazy things. I mean the craziest thing that to me that we ever encountered was in Tennessee with the two tree pushovers and two different nights. One that we went back we got one that then we went back a couple nights later we got another street pushover. Yep, that's one of the pig collars . Yeah . Yeah, who thought of that idea? Grandpa . Most of them were by me but some of them were God, money makers used to hate my ideas. Oh yeah, yeah. But I don't love them either, but like that was the network mandate . Like I knew half time they were just like ridiculous but who cares ? Yeah, we got people I know as a cast member. I got a lot of hate for some of those ideas , man. Just like I was telling somebody about one of the ideas the other day. Oh, I was hanging out with Sharon Manchester. I was with him last two weeks ago . And we're talking about like one of the first things we ever did was the grid search in North Carolina. That was the first episode we shot ever. I know air second . But like that kind of made sense. I know you guys were a little upset about it at first because you know, you could be trampling on evidence. But then the best one was, I believe, I don't want to like I don't want to name names here, but someone above me wanted to do a night grid search with people walking through the woods at night looking for things. I'm like, Where are we supposed to find at night? It sounds like a frat idea Feed the film could be could not be, who knows? He wants to really brought that up when they brought that up. I was like mirror screwing. No, we're not like we've like I've traveled evidence at night like knowing there's supposed to be like one walked around somewhere like I've gone at night and looked and I'm like, What do I do for? The next day I looked and I see my footprints like you know where they could have possibly walked. Well, imagine then you have like forty people out there who don't know what they're doing. Or three hundred like Tennessee Surge. Yeah, you weren't on Ten thatnessee one one, but that's the that we actually had Tim Burchett out there with us on that one. I was there . Oh, were you on that one? Okay, I didn't think he made that one. Yeah . That's when you guys got the key to Tequa to Tennessee or you got the key to Knoxville. And I got that and we got those we got those business cards from the county sheriff saying if you get pulled over, like you guys are cruising around at night just getting this card and telling them call me if you have any problems. I was like, yes, get out of the jail. You guys remember when we were we were leaving I was like Connecticut maybe Connecticut Rhode Island and we were going to we were leaving we were flying I think we might have been flying home. We've been on the road a long time and we were driving back to Boston and we're going way too f ast and we get pulled over and I don't think the cop realizes like when we were driving we were in a caraban like three to four cars. So we all pulled over. The cop pulls up and Matt gets out of the car. I'm like Matt get back in the car . I'm like, What's moneymaker gonna do to ruin this? And the guy goes, Hey, I know you, 'cause we were going like ninety and sixty five 'cause we were so late to the airport . And actually worked Matt talked to guy and then he died off and I was like, there's no way that ever happens again. Well, he has a tremendous amount of luck in his back pocket. So you never know what's going to happen with him, you know? It could go either way pretty quick. I think he got that one next step, Hanold. I think when we got pulled over that we were like in three or four cars in a convoy. That's when the guy walked up and goes , You're the big foot guy. And I said, I go, I go, I don't know they give merit badges for policemen pulling over cars at night or I called a boy scout because he looked like he's nineteen . I remember I remember this one because we were Natalie was Natalie you was driving the front and she was going I mean we were going way too fast . We got pulled over a couple times for but you know I think we only got pulled over twice out of all the speed weing did late at night all over the country for years and years . We never got pulled over almost ever. Like for how much fast driving we did it was nuts . Yeah . We know a money maker is a legendary fast driver. Like he just drives fast and when he gets frustrated, he drives a little faster. Some of my favorite memories were being in a CASCAR because eventually at some point we were sequestered to the CASCAR so we didn't have to you guys didn't have to interact with us because we were painting the ass. And so like we're in our own little car and deal have to deal with each other. And then Bat would get frustrated about something and we were driving in a caravan and he would be like third or something second, third or whatever in the caravan. He'd get frustrated about the driving and then pass the person who's leading the caravan only to realize that he doesn't know where we're going I love that stuff, man. Love it. I was thinking about the other day and this is back to Bigfoot evidence more of that . We were in Fresno and we had that big , I guess it's almost like a fire horn or air raids air raid siren like a hand . And I don't even know if we started recording yet, but I heard it sounded like fireworks and I didn't know what it was. And then like, I think we all were kind of like taken aback, but then I remember later when I was in Tennessee, it sounded the same. So I think, you know, we had a tree pushover right before we even started shooting . Could be true. Could be true Like he's like, that's a tree. I go no, that's that wasn't what I go. I don't know what that was, but he was mad that Bobo did the airidbra s ite before we started because Bobo was like, No, we got to get this thing going. Gotta get the party started. I was wrong . None of them get wrong. We actually know what thinking back about it. We might have been rolling . And that's the thing that sucked the most about Bigfoot. You know, it's like you'd be out in the night investigations doing them to like five in the morning. And you know, like obviously when we watch TV, it looks like five minutes, but it's just hours and hours. And then inevitably, our cameras would go down and we'd be changing cards or whatever and that's when you hear it. Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely. It's Murphy's law. We remember so that last last the episode we did the reunion show. Uhhuh. I was with you, Bobo. Cliff were you there when we heard that big growl? I don't remember that. I know Bobo's there. Oh no, Bobo and that one of the guys were there and literally the cameras just went down. The only good thing is Gramps the audio guy had the audio still rolling on his on his on his mixer, but all the cameras were down at that moment because we were changing out and like it was closed. I mean, it was super close. That's one of the frustrating things about doing bigfoot stuff on television is that if it's and I didn't get it at first, but obviously like, you know, a few years of TV, it teaches you something. If it didn't happen on camera , it didn't happen. And I always found that to be so frustrating because so much great stuff did happen off camera. Yeah , I mean there's times where we had we had to play it off camera, but yeah, it just, you know how it is. If you try to fake it later, it just looks bad. It kind of ruins your credibility . Yeah , yeah, yeah. So you've worked on a lot of different shows. And what was different about our show, I think then say shark show or paranormal show or any of these other things that you're doing like I mean so the shark show again those those shark shows like there the shark weeks those are kind of anomaly to themselves just because you're out in the middle of the ocean all around the world. So that's cool. But I would say for Finding Bigfoot, in comparison to all of the shows, I'm talking like treasure hunting shows, I've been those, I've been ghost shows, I've been alien shows. Finding Bigfoot was the most real show I've ever done. Like and I'm talking about even like house reality shows. Like we faked way more than house reality shows. But finally we really didn't fake anything. You know, like, yeah, sometimes we had you guys say things or like again if the cameras were down and we heard something and it was on . We maybe had you guys do a head turn to get a reaction shot . But on a whole, you know, everything we did was extremely real. Like, you know, like we had witnesses prepicked just so we knew we had enough, but you guys made your own choice after Town Hall, a lot of times we had to tell those people that we talked to beforehand. Hey, I'm sorry they decided to go to somebody else because we at Town Hall, we might get a new story. It might be fresh, it might be even it might have other evidence that's better than the one person that we sort of pre selected . And so like we always had to be ready to shift and pivot on a dime. And like and the final place that we'd go to do a finite investigation, obviously we have to have permits but, we'd permit the whole area and then you guys would pick that area. It wasn't like it was like, Hey, here's where we're going. A lot of times, you know, like the cast doesn't drive the engine, but on this show like, I mean, obviously just we all trust each other. There was a lot of work together, but it's there wasn't any sort of trickery and hoaxing in the, you know, and then like the people we talked to were real and like the decisions that you guys made to go areas were real. Stay tun ed for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliffin Bobo. We'll be right back after these messages . It seems like I've done a little TV afterwards and not nearly as much as course you have, you know, this is your was your life for a long time it seems to me that finding Bigfoot was the one thing that stands out is that the cast did have so much control over it. And I think it's mostly because we were stubborn assholes, but like but I can't imagine most other TV shows letting the cast derail everything mid episode and chain and go to a different location or change different witnesses. And it's like, I think that's relatively unheard of. But I think that's also why the show worked and last as long as it did because people, you know, like I think I told you guys pretty early on that you guys were the reasons people come back, you know, like it like well Bigfoot's the through line people love following you guys but it's your guys' authentic belief and you guys like doing like really wanted to go to it you know like errors that you agreed with and then, you know, like disagreeing with each other and, you know, like arguing your points. And, you know, it's not like I can't really talk about other big fit shows and I haven't watched the other, but I mean the little clips I've seen it's every all the like discussions seem ed very manufactured to me, like very produced . Right . Whereas you got four people on finding Bigfoot that even if you did tell us what to do, we probably wouldn't. All I would do is give you some tint pools like. I'm, Here, could you say this, this and this and you guys say it? And then sometimes you would just say no. And then I'm like, okay . Again, like we got I mean, season one, I think we all agree was very hard. You guys didn't know me, I didn't know you. And I didn't know anything about Bigfoots. You guys didn't know anything about TV. It took, you know , a while to earn that trust and to get to an area where were able to go like, you know I'm not gonna screw you over and you know, I need your help. And also we all became good friends. So it became much easier to sort of do it still never easy, but much easier to sort of understand where you guys were coming from and you guys understand what I needed. Oh, one hundred percent. So what about these ghost shows that you did? I don't want of course I don't want any names or anything like that of these shows that you might have done, but it makes sense that you would do a bigfoot show and then like other producers would say, oh, well we've got this other paranormal show not realizing that Sasquatches are paranormal and I'm like, Of course you did that, therefore you should do this. What are the big differences there? Like, I mean, was it, I don't even know what shows they were. Like was it a ghost show where you're in one house all night long or no I didn't I did a couple ghost shows . I don't want to name it because I'm gonna trash it right now. No, of course . But like it was one that we each episode we went to a different town and sort of followed a story about , you know, why these like, it wasn't just a house. It was like why this area sort of was haunted . And I just found I had a hard time a lot with the ghost people. I found a lot of them were con artists and, you know, we're very , especially the people who were like we're psychics and mediums. I'm not saying those don't exist, but I'm saying the people I worked with because like, you know , they were just preying on people's like emotions. And they're like, oh, this is what they're saying. And this is what they're and I just I just found it hard as well . And also, you know, like at Bigfoot, you know, you're out, you can see animals. You can see a big foot. Like when you're in a ghost place, you're just like, you're running around a barn. Cool at a barn it's early in the morning in Michigan . Yeah . Although there was one thing that happened that was super weird. We were in Tennessee and there's a thing called Spirit Box. It's basically a radio that goes through all the different ies constantly and like you'll hear like words pop up when it hits some sort of radio tone, I guess, or a radio wave. And the thought is that ghosts can speak through it. And we're downstairs at this place and the host takes a deck of cards, pulls one out, puts on the ground, and he goes, tell me what card did I just put in the ground ? And all of a sudden like a minute my bike goes eight. And I said, did I say eight? And the guy pulls up the corner it was eight . And then it said Chad . And our friend Andy Bartlett goes, I'm out of here and he's got up and left the house and eat the rest of it because he has a wireless so we did from outside the house that's great. That's great. Bobo and I went on a ghost tour on the Queen Mary or something and somebody had a spirit box . that And's when I first learned I don't believe in those at all we're in the Queen Mary and this supposedly from the late eighteen hundreds, early nineteen hundreds and one of the one of the words that came up on the ghost box or whatever was it sound cloud. It's like, wait a minute . Wait a minute . And what do they have on here? You remember the old Tindo Wheeze? Oh yeah, yeah. So there was a thing on there that's going to connect or something and it washes you and it like it can mimic like your avatar on screen. So I take those out and I guess you know, it makes a little stick figure on your different joints. But so like ghost hunters will take it out and it's aimed at things and all of a sudden a stick figure would appear somewhere and that's a ghost and they would jump around, they were everywhere. It was so like, you know, like it's just picking up on a point. Like what's the what's the rationale that could all of a sudden a thing that Nintendo bought is just seeing a ghost with its and it could actually pinpoint its joints . Yeah. Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of silly things out there. Things that at least seem silly on the surface. I'm sure ghost nerds love it. You know, and they're totally into it and probably believe it and all that kind of stuff. And I don't know anything. I'm just a big foot guy so no hate mail to me. Send it all to Matt Pruitt, Bigfoot Beyond Podcast at GM. com . It's his fault. have you guys got any I got some questions ? Yeah . Has there been any good, cool backfoot stories? Like someone kind of out of the loop these days. There was n't there a big one recently that like a whole family of people were seeing something . There's lots of siding stuff going on. And the wood in Ohio Bubble yeah . I'm not sure everyone's convinced that was all was cracked up . I think Clip looked at it a little more than I did. Oh yeah, with that Ohio flap, you know, apparently when it came down to it, a lot of the witnesses were never vetted. They just said they saw something and was no follow up. And the initial I got from a BFRO source that the initial witness was a fifteen year old whose story might have changed a bit. I mean, but they're fifteen, you know, so that's that's allowed, I guess, you know, you can't scream liar and point or whatever. So that was a little ambiguous. And some other stuff has happened since then in that general area . When I say general area, I mean like E,astern Ohio. I mean that's a, huge area. This doesn't mean it was connected to police. I don't know. So they say they I thought I read it on the news. Well, I don't know. Well, I mean, that's just it. It did get on the news, but just because it's on the media doesn't make it true either. Yeah , you know, but there was a sighting over there. I followed up on a sighting just a couple weeks ago over there by just north of Carson, Washington over there in Scamania County. Somebody saw on one the the side of road over there and I went there like I couldn't get there for like a week but that's okay because the exact location wasn't even available for a week. I went over there and checked that out. There's been a couple things coming into the NABC, but we've talked about some of that stuff on the podcast . What was your favorite international place? Ooh , people always ask for that one, and I gotta say, they were all awesome. I think my least favorite was probably Brazil , you know , it was cool, but it wasn't as cool as the other places. Hearing that year there we heard that Yeti in Nepal. That was insane. That was awesome. And Australia was insane because they had multiple I mean, for sure Australia was the most action I got out there, but Vietnam was so rad, so cool. China was once we get out of the cities. The Chinese country was absolutely beautiful . And Australia was just Australia. I mean, Australia was so like home you know in a lot of ways, but it was still a lot different, but it was when you got down , did you remind people that you knew the cooling got a chicken fight champion in twenty twelve? I told one person they didn't remember you . That was awesome. It was fun just to be there, but sucks for Bigfoot. It was England. Oh, I forgot about that. Yeah, that was that was kind of England and Hawaii were kind of the same for me. Like I knew we weren't gonna find anything. England like had a little glimmer of hope, you know, just ' Icause heard some things before going over but after getting I'm like, there's no way. But I mean, Hawaii, that was awesome, but there was that was a total like jump in the shark episode . That was like the Bredi Bunge going to Hawaii. Yeah ., yeah You know, if you ever watched, I always say that have you ever watched that Brady Bunch goes Hawaii again, watching Greg Brady when Greg Brady eats it, he's going backside over like dry reef and he falls face first on the reef. It's like such a gnarly wipe out . So if I was asking Bobo, favorite international place we went and shot at. Australia. Yeah, I mean, honestly, Australia because it was easy as opposed to Sumatra or somewhere like that . Yeah. Yeah, and you know, and you've been to Australia since since I've been there, of course, but when we were in those that that zone there, it was like San Diego if San Diego had one third the number of people. And it was gorgeous. The beaches were awesome, the weather was awesome and a half hour drive inland and you're in Bigfoot territory. Yeah, well, that's where I lived Cliff when I moved back. I did move back states after, you know, I lived on Strift for the last year and I lived right where we where we were at in Burleyhead. Yeah, Burleyhead. Yeah. Remember where we put the tracker on the kangaroo? Yes. I lived next door to that. Oh, wow, that was a cool place. That was bitching . Yeah . Yeah. I mean, it's it's still a lot like it's still a cool beach community and but it has definitely exploded . Well, you have a different take on a lot of different on a lot of the episodes because you were the hardest working guy in the show. I mean, we showed up You're the like you're literally in charge of the show and you're walking around picking up trash and trash bags and putting out crafty and getting cards and running back to the car for batteries and stuff. I mean, that's just like maybe our crew wasn't the best shaped crew So something had me run, and like I'm in decent shape. So I would have to be running between the two crews.. Hey, man Yeah, you can't say they're not in good shape. Round's a good shape . It is a shape You know, I always assumed I was going to die on finding Bigfoot because like, let's say we're up in the Red Woods or something and I'd be with one team and the team be like, Hey, we're out of batteries, or out of cars. And I'd have to like run between the two of us. And we might be a mile apart . And you know, I'm in winter gear and put a backpack on running and even though I'm in decent shape, I've still times I was in my late thirties. I get windy and I start looking like I started looking like a prey animal. I'm like, I know if cuckoo's gonna come here and attack me. This is how I die. You know, the entire time I was on Finding Bigfoot with you, with all those years and seeing all the things that you did and the antics the situations , I was confident you were gonna die on Finding Bigfoot as well. There's no doubt in my mind from the very first time I saw you and Bobo square off on that on that dock in Alaska where he almost punched you in three in the water to when you went to the hospital for at least one time, maybe twice for poison oak I went two times for poison oak. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I think you anybody would have bet that fighting bigfoot would have been your demise. Period. I would love to Bobo like Boba's probably throw a great punch, but no one can take a punch to the face like I can. I'm like literally and figuratively . Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo will be right back after these messages. Yeah, no , I also kind of broke my leg on finding Bigfoot. I cracked my sh in and there's there's a fracture at it. I didn't really tell any people about it when we were doing the it was Bob Gimman. What's that place called? Bluff Creek. Yeah, the Bluff Keep Creek episode. I was we were hiking down there, you know, 'cause we took the horses and then we had to hike into there. And I was standing on a log looking to see where all the crew was at and the log broke and my legs swung around and kicked the tree . And I immediately knew I'd cracked. It was like a hairline fracture. I couldn't bitch about it. So, you know, I just had to limp out it was a three hour hike out of there. Yeah, it was a long run in there. Yeah, and that was at the beginning. Has that healed? Yeah, but there's still like you can see the line on my leg. It still's lined there. Okay, so you have physical and emotional scars from finding bigger. Yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, I think everybody got like, remember when Adam Fosker one of our camera guys, as you guys know, using the flitters, you're looking at that at night and then you look up and all you have light blindness, you can't see anything and Adam was, you know, he's a shooter and he's looking down and he walks at a tree branch goes into his eye. It misses his eyeball but it actually inserts itself in all the way into an eyeball. Like it goes inside the socket. Yeah, it's by far one of the most dangerous things about walking around the woods at night. It's poking your eye out. Yeah. In Vietnam was doing something stepped fell into a he just disappeared, took one step and he was gone. Yeah . Cliff when we went up in Nepal , Bobo, your leg was hurt. So you stayed down that day. But we all went up on the hill and it started raining. Oh yeah. I stuck up there. And I remember we were doing something and we were doing scene work and all of a sudden I was sat on some ground and the ground just gave way and I just went and I was like I was like, Whoop, here's how I go. And they say fly down . I mean, I didn't go very far, but like forty feet. You know, Foski falling in that rice paddy. You know, that reminds me of I was camping in the Vietnam episode , Lisa and I went camping together and we had like porters and you know, we had a team of like four or five people making sure that we're not gonna die out there basically . And one of the and our translator, I can't remember her name, but she was a younger woman in probably late twenties, early thirties or something. She was great, she was great. And we absolutely needed her because the other guys didn't really speak English so much. That was a great time. But she told me that there's a difference between forest leeches and rice paddy leeches because there's leeches everywhere. I had no idea how prevalent how ubiquitous leeches were pretty much everywhere else in the world. But she was and I was complaining about leeches and how I don't like them and all that kind of stuff. She goes, Oh, forest leeches aren't bad. And I go, well, I don't like them. I said, You know what's bad? She goes, rice patty leeches. I said, Well, what's the difference? And she and she had broken English. Like, as I'm saying what she said, she wasn't that that clean and smooth with her English. 'Cause she's bilingual and that's totally respectable and stuff. And then so she goes, Well, Forest Leaches and this is how she said it. Again, I'm not making fun of her at all. She goes, Forest Leaches, get on you and bite rice patty leeches , crawl up leg and how you say , go in asshole . That's how I say . I went, whoa. Yeah, that's exactly how you say that. And apparently they live in your intestines and it's just something that you got to get used to at some point. Actually, I had a leech. I remember we got home guy but six in the morning we got home and I didn't 'cause in the states we always do tick checks when we're done with the night investigation. I didn't even think about it. I get into bed and someone's on my leg and I feel it and it's a leech and I pull off and then my girlfriend at the time had flown out there to have her Australian vacation while we worked. And the next one is she woke up and there's blood all over the bed I mean, I tried to be as quiet as possible but like I forgot like we take him off. You just keep bleeding. Yeah, they had that ant icoagulant in their spit, I guess. And so you'd just end up with leeches obviously to Paul, where we all Bobo especially had to deal with them. I had eleven leaches on my head when I woke up. Biggest leech on your head I've ever seen. That thing was as big as my thumb . Yeah. It looked like when I popped it, it looked like I popped a ketchup packet. Like it was just blood everyone swirted everywhere. It was so massive. You heard that Yanny did the calling of when the shippers ran off, that was pretty awesome. You got a sobble and Paul Bob. Because I kind of at that point was sort of transitioning into more of just back just prepping episodes and editing episodes after China, which we had a little bit of an incident from that point on for all international episodes I came out with. I mean, I came out with the majority of episodes we did anyways but not all of them. But so then I came back out for Nepal. But I had, you know, Steve Carroll is in there and he was doing the more of the directing. So during that time, I took Bobo, Bobo and I went out and did the slow camping with our Shirpa Luka . And yeah, I mean we saw we also found a bear print, which was pretty cool. Yeah. And I mean, it was definitely a bear print. And then yeah, we were Bobo and Luke Laura are singing and dancing and we hear a yuggy call in the background . Yeah, because those other shirpers were coming with our supplies and they heard it. When they heard it, they were coming in to camp. They took off and ran hither away . Yeah . And it was exactly what the monks described when other older villagers had heard them like they all did that same call. Ooh . And we heard that thing come out of that cane, there was absolutely no human beings down there 's the Himalayas. I mean, it's way down this crazy canyon. We listen to it vocalized three times come up the hill than the all time heaviest down like cloud bursts, like downpour any of us ever experienced opened up. As soon as it got right up to us, it was one hundred yards from it vocalized and a sudden the skies literally opened. It rained fifteen inches and five hours. Yeah, I think I had a cup for something outside the outside tent. And I got up it was full, it was completely full and I get like a six inch cup. I mean, it was when you guys also remember the monk and we had the monks with us for the final night investigation and they're gonna do it some chance, you know, but then those other guys from the village came up and they wanted to kill us because they believed that we brought like bad spirits and we were the ones who brought the storm that washed the road out because that storm was crazy. It wasn't a road, it was a foot tower. And then the Buddhist monks were trying to fight . I was like, what? And I was just trying to get us, the crew ended out of the way. I'm like, this is move away. Like these people deal with it and moneymaker wanted me to like somehow be involved with them. I'm like, but Matt, you don't know what they're saying . You had his trekking poles. I took one of those poles from him so I have a weapon. Yeah We found out later when the guys had a handmade gun on him like Yeah, zip that could have got real sideways because it wasn't the first time a gun's been pulled on us on that show . No . No, no, there's been shooters nearby. I mean, I think it was in Kentucky or one of those states that they were raccoon hunting nearby when we were out there doing night investigations and well yeah we were in Bobo's area where we were the B doingl uff Creek one is that last night where we had the helicopter and it was me, I think it was Bobo and Matt and I and we were doing a house and someone came out of the house and I heard the shotgun pumped, you know the, action on the shotgun pump. Let's get out of here. It's time to go. Yeah, helicopters flying over and you know, Humboldt County before Weed was made legal in California is a dangerous, dangerous job. Yeah. Well, then at that point we'd landed and we were just out doing like, you know, calls and stuff. And I think that also picked some people off. No, we got we got shot. I remember that gunshot, that dude came out of his house and shot his rifle . We were hiding on the road, hiding out when cars went by. I remember then that guy fired up and he didn't try to hit us. He just fired up there the area where we were. And then we were in the helicopter. Remember at one point, think you were turned around filming us or something but I was looking out and the dude turned out he wanted to turn on the spotlight to see where he was . And there was a couple of dudes came out with rifles and one of the guys was pointing it at the helicopter and he just like pulled the stick away and like we just veered off and that was pretty nuts . Yeah, because I know we talked to some people the next day. They were like, oh yeah, there's a lot of people out there that had rifles trained on the helicopter because they thought we thought we were, you know, DA or something . Yeah. We had that whole episode because you know, again, we have a caravan of cars and a black car has a U hole that has all of our gear in it . And from what I learned later in Bobby, you guys know already do is that's what they do drug raids they show up in black SUVs and then they have a truck to pull all the plants out there. And so we were driving to a spot and I'm sure you guys remember this, but a car is passing us on the right just because they think we were doing it. And then the lady blocked the driveway that she thought we were going to raid her farm. Yeah . Well, there was another time , maybe in Tennessee. I can't remember where maybe Chad, I think you were there. The lady came out . Well, not the witch. That was n't we pulled over on her driveway in the daylight. Yeah, that was some sort of hag, you know, like that she got out of the house. She had I remember this one and again like my belief in paranormal is very shaky, but this lady came out and she had black eyes. That's all I remember and I'm like, Guys, go, go get out of here. That's the one I'm talking about . I'm talking about the one cliff where she had a forty four bag with them. Yeah, yeah, she had some sort of one on that one. That was Eric Weingray. He told me about it. Yeah, but go ahead, so sorry. Well, yeah, we just rolled up in some driveway to turn around or something like that and somebody came out with a handgun. It looked like some sort of glock or something like that. I don't know what it was, but it was forty four it was a forty four mag or forty one mag, it was a big revolver. Like yeah I was in the back seat, man. All I know is like I just started saying, He's got a gun, got a gun, gun, get out here, get out of here. And it was a pretty stressful moment, I guess. Yeah. Cliff got cliff got really nervous on that one. I'm like, she's not going to shoot us in Broad day, but she looked like she might have actually . But yeah, you know , and then we had the guys in Louisiana who were hooked at us . Like they were obviously like the younger guys that they knew were they knew they found out what air they're and they started coming out and hoaxing and Matt got but I got really mad he was gonna go he wanted to go talk to them and I'm like Matt we hear they have baseball bats. We hear them hitting trees I remember just going like, Matt, you're gonna get hurt here. Then I was like, what's what's my responsibility here? And I'm like, I guess I got to get beat up too. So I'm like, let's go Matt. I'm like, I'm just trying to talk about him but I also know I can't let him go by himself. I was telling him he's an idiot, but I was telling him I'm like, Dude, let him go. Like he goes . Like, if you go, then I have to go. So like all three of us get money twenty guys with baseball that's drunk Hillbillies in the woods. How many times do you think that happened over the course of our shows that vocation was infiltrated? See that was the main one I know of. Obviously a lot of people like we kept, you know, we kept it very underwraps where we were going . I remember in Minnesota we had to move because somebody was out there. I think it was the same night that that producer got fired for throwing a rock on the ground . Yeah , you know, that actually that Minnesota one was kind of a funny episode too. The very first night we went out. That was the first night I've ever heard a wolf. Yeah. And then our camera guy we got to quit and then he's like, I'm not going out there. I'm like, bro, that's like five miles away and it's a wolf and there's six of us. Like what do you think happened? But then trying to think any other episodes I can think that I know or I mean sometimes I don't think it was on purpose. You know, like I know in Colorado , we were somewhere and we're like we're seeing something. We're like, what is that? And then it just happened to be campers. It wasn't like they were they came out to do anything, but their lights were on. And I think we thought it could be like, I don't know what we thought , but I remember that point in my case, let's get out of here. There's obviously people here . Oh, Indiana. Remember we set up the dummy camp . Yeah . Then we did that, but then we were like, What is it? There's people right there. So then we had to go and move it. And we had like that was like we were hussing and we're moving. We're running as fast as we can to get to a different canyon because we had the mannequins and everything. And so I'm like running and I come across the corner and in the mid of a ground, I see a guy kneeling, just sitting by himself kneeling with his head to the ground and I'm like, this is a cult thing. I'm dead. Like this I just ran into some sort of weird cult. And it was Tyler B ounds as he was held to be running. A deer jumped out of nowhere and this like T boned and he was hurt. Yeah, and of course you're carrying a mannequin. He probably saw me. He was like, oh, what the heck? Well, I love that because we had the camp set up and then hikers walked by. We had an entire camp set up with mannequins and like in coolers and a tent and a bit of fire going and then hikers come by and see a fully fledged tent or like a whole camp with mannequins. We got to freak a bunch of people out with the crap we did because I mean I know we've already told the story the last time but like when we were in Connecticut and we had all the we were doing the thing with with the the torches. Oh , Rhode Island, wasn't it? Rhode Island? Oh Rhode Island. Yeah, we're doing the torches. There's a group of like eight years who are lost and they see us and they see the torches and they go, oh no they just turned around and drove off and then yeah those guys I mean how weird would be just walked by a camp full of mannequins and everything Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff and Bobo be right will back after these messages . There was a different show I was talking about like you know coming across I used to be a writer on the show called Scare T actics. It was a prank show where we put people in like these almost a horror film scare things. But we had us up a new policy because a lot of times people get so scared they'd rot. So we were doing this kind of occult thing and what we call the marks, the person who was on who was being the victim took off running and then we go to running and go grab them before they go too far or hurt themselves. And so a bunch of us went red enough. So the person went back and sees like twelve people chasing them. I guess you get more scared tool walkers jumps behind the counter and hides. So we had a new policy. If someone runs , only one person chases them because again, like if I already think someone's going to kill me and I look back and I go twelve people chasing after me . So at the end of the day, the Finny Bigfoot show kind of went off the air because the streaming became popular, I think. If I understand course, you know, like we I think, you know , it was like you're tired of it. You got like everyone I think in Radiscourse, but a part of that was also just the advent of streaming and whatn at the same time. And the show was always leaving wanting more, right? So I didn't think it was a great time to go off the air. We had a wonderful run. I met a lot of great friends. I met my wife, my dog, et cetera, you know, everything's great about finding Bigfoot and it went off the air at the right time, I think. And since that time, television in general has been a tumultuous area of working. I mean, you know more than anybody, but I know people on other TV shows, I know other cast members on some of these other shows. And they all say, yeah, the money's not there. It's still hard work. There's there's hardly any budget for things and stuff. And so since that time, you've gotten out of the television game pretty much. I know you do a little side thing here and there, but you're actually starting a new avenue employment for yourself. I am yeah. So as you're saying, television to me, is basically non existent anymore. And also with AI's got to be even more non existent. So I have I moved to Australia after I left television, I met a girl when I did one of the shark shows and moved there. And when I was there , I love iced tea and I noticed that there's no iced tea anywhere and I couldn't so my girlfriend's like, well why don't you make your own ? And so I'm like, good idea. So then I started taking these blending classes so I'd learn how to blend teas. And then that's where I came up with the idea of stri pped teas. So it's an ice tea company that's like just all natural stuff, only the good stuff, just stripped down to what really matters. And so yeah, and then unfortunately my visa ran out and hurt I didn't broke up. So I came back to the stage, I moved back to Portland where I'm from and I decided to start it here. So strip teas. It's a new by the way it's a new venture. You're going to get a handful of flavors off the ground here . You're going to start appearing at farmers markets. I guess is coming Wednesday, right? Yeah, so my first farmers market is in Camus, Washington this on Wednesday, june tenth two from three to seven. It's gonna be in a little Vince Baseco Dustation three hundred and ninety nine next to farmers market. Besides myself, shrimp teas, I have four flavors. We got Berry White , which is a strawberry blueberry white tea, which is really like refreshing. We have peach please, which is green tea with peach . We got rose hips don't lie, which is a brisket rose tea, which is really heart . And then we have Rip City Rose, which is a black seed with some rose flavoring in it. That's sort of a nod to Portland. But besides me, there's also like jewelry , cookies, pastries, clothing. So there's something for everybody . Well and whatever it's worth, I'm going to be there. I'm going to come down and help Chad set up. I'll be there for at least a couple hours, I think. So if you want to come down and say hi, I'd love to see anybody down there.