Protocol for Finding Sasquatch Remains

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So I'm going to go to the woods tomorr Wednesday got the big farmmer's market with Chad Hamill, looking forward to that selling some ice tea I guess I have an interview that morning on for some NPR station out in The South somewhere, Louisiana or Teas or somewhere. I can't remember where And then Thursday going to Florida Do the bigigfot conference out there, whatever that's called. Great America, Great Florida, big great something bigigfot confference They're in Florida, Thursday to Sunday, so Busy, busy, busy, as usual. Oh, you know what, I was at the story yesterday Cool guy came up to me Native dude. He starts talking to like he's, you know, we're saying goodbye and he goes Oh yeah, he saysing about Well, you know, I got them hairs when I think I hit one. I was like, what? Like he didn't tell me the it's the last thing he brought up me and he was leaving me talking for a while So yeah, down by it north of Laytonville He hit one last year and he's got four long hairs. He thinks that the This company ' not like she's vidory Focle yeah Policical or not, he should send it to Derby Yeah, yeah. we're going to It is sent out there this week That'd be fantastic. ye You should either get a hold of it if you think the guy might not have the follow through Now, this guy dude, he's ull professional like that he's like a at the tribe but he' He works with like federal tribes all over the place. like he's Like a specialist. He's been living here for a couple years, I guess That'd be great because generally speaking, the process is to send an email to Darby through his website and then in a week or two or three Whenever he gets he clears his schedule enough, he usually emails back or calls and they do an interview and then they send the hair in. That's what I believe the sampling process is So some people get pretty frustrated because it's not an immediate response because, you know They have a big foot hair. that's the most important thing in the world where is Darby has like six projects in a full. class load and family and all this other stuff. Sometimes it takes a second to get back, which would be understandable. I'm just saying that a lot if you didn't have the follow through or the patience, it might be a good idea to get that hair. That's cool. as it happenenson in two keep two. sureure Y, sending as much as he could, you know, as much as he can. That would be fantastic The you could have wiped the car down with a EDNA kit Well, the hair should be enough. honestly, the hair should be enough Yeah, forco disisco that Fallal Even if it doesn't, even if it doesn't. He has there's a lot of stuff happening out there. I had a conversation with Derby last week And again, we kind of talked about how the Bigfoot community is a little impatient in general, but but Yeah, good things are happening and he's got great people working on this hair thing There's a lot moving right now. So there's some there are some cool progress being made right now. now is the time to send in any irrors anybody's sitting on. So absolutely that g If that was cool, you know talking here and that. I was like nice So I was pretty pumped That is cool. That is cool Now you haven't been in PDX lately, have you? the airport, Bbo? No, I haven't flown out of Portland in a long since the show I haven't flown out of there. Okay, wow, that quite a while Well, there's some interesting news coming out of there There is a really cool Chainsaw carving sort of thing in the baggage area of PDX. If anybody's flown in rather lately, you probably have seen it It was sponsored by Powell's book books, which is a great Fantastic bookstore here in Portland There's a carving of a Sasquatch Reading a book wearing reading glasses in the whole nine It was actually part of the world's largest cuckoo clock A one point. You know how cuckoo clocks are very ornate and they have various carvings and all this other stuff all over it. This was just one segment of perhaps eight or twelve or something that was on this giant cuckoo clock at one point And for some reason, it ended up in the baggage claim of PDX. How big is it Oh, it's I don't know, eight feet It's for sure life size And it's awesome. I just I just texted you both a picture of it. so feel free to post that for the members. If anybody members want to check it out. And of course if you want to be a member, you can see pictures like this that we post about various things we talk about in the episode. cost five bucks a month you get this episode completely ad free zero ads whatsoever, and youll also get an entire other hour of content from us every single week So that's the benefits of being a member. Maybe you want to be one. If so, go to that link in the show notes. But I guess the reason I bring this up, this statue, this carving is that they're done with it at PDX and it is coming to live permanently at the North American Bigfot Center. No what I was pull out off. They asked me would I like it? And I said Y. Yeah, it was pretty pretty painless, honestly I think I think it was travel, Oregon See there's two big tourism folks or entities here in Oregon that are always doing great things for us. Travel Oregon and of course, Mount Hood territories And I get them I get them confused because they're just they do the exact same thing which is promote tourism in Oregon and one's more specific to my area, but they're both just great greatreat entities and they do wonderful things for us and I help them out every chance I get And I think is I think this one's travel, Oregon And again, anybody who's employed by either of these organizations, forgive me for not being able to tell you apart But at the same at the end of the day, you know, if you're in the hospital and you have a team of nurses, you may not remember all their names individually. You just like the nurses help me. They're all cool, right So anyway this organization I think it was I think it's travel Orgon They're actually kicking down for the moving of it and everything. They're going to deliver it right to my doorstep and then we have to figure out a place to put it inside the NABC because our walls are pretty full at the NABC, but boy, this it is so beautiful and such a great piece of art You wouldn't leave it outside that one's too nice. No, no, no, I wouldn't leave it outside. No, it's just too great of a piece of art. I mean, it's part of it like it's like legit, the world's largest cuckoo clock, you know, And that's that's my kind of world record You know, I'm cuckoo for cuckoo clocks. for bamball next or something Oh, that'd be cool too. That'd be cool too. if feel was in the big foot shape. But ye, nonetheless. so it's coming to live at the NABC. we need to like hook it to the ground because of seismic regulations and all this other stuff. But It's going to be a big hassle and totally worth every every ounce that we give of effort. So Im pretty excited about that. That news came to me this week And other than that I don't know, got a couple of weeks away. got small town monsters in town re prettyty excited about that set there? Yeah, set's going to come out the whole gang, the whole gang. they're going to come out tryrying to hook them up with a couple old timers to interview them about the history of the area and stuff like that And we're going to be doing something in the museum or the woods. I don't know what it is yet. Do doesn't matter to me. I just like hanging out with those folks got contacted by another production company that might be filming with me for a day around that time I'll tell you about that after it happens after I'm allowed to talk about it a little bit. You know, we have a project going at the Willow Creek Museum between my museum and the one down there that houses the Bob Titness collection. Much of the historic early Bluff Creek evidence is present in that museum. They're revamping and redesigning the thing over this coming winter. so I'm helping them along the way with that. anyyway that any I'm not guiding them but any I'm just offering advice. I'm giving them copies, digital copies of my displays about their artifacts so they can adapt them to fit their own style and color scheme and and information and all that sort of stuff. They reached out to me asking me, Hey, when you coming down to copy some of these casts because If you're not for not if you didn't you didn't know The Willow Creek Museum has now given our museum, the NABC permission to sell their footprint casts. And of course, we give them a very hefty royalty. about twice the standard rate because I want them to succeed and I'm such a strong supporter and proponent of the Willow Creek Museum I've doubled the royalty because they so they get a piece of every single footprint cast that we sell of their items, of course, at the Bob Titmiss collollection, which currently involves The Han Pomcast two odd ones that Bob Timmus touched while he was in the ground There's another larger cast that has that there's photographs of those particular prints drying in the ground with Bob Titmas kneeling down next to it, courtesy of Dr. Russ Jones who got them from a patient named Edie Gardner, I believe her name was It was Ed's mother's father's b property out in Hyam Palm that those tracks showed up on. so that picture has been in their family collection. All these years. and of course, all thisuff is on display at the North American Biga Center if you ever want to come in and check it out Will a Creek Museum, you know, reached out to me and said, Hey, when are you to come down and copy more of these casts thinking, Ohh that's of the fantastic things So I'm going to be allowed to copy footprint casts housed in the Willow Creek Museum no one has ever copied before And they will be available through the NABC. So that's pretty cool And that includes the Patterson Gimlin cast, Th those ten in a row that Bob Timmus cast at the location We have eight of those already Eight of those. Well have the two that Roger and Bobcast And then as far as the ten. Misscast Actually he seems to have cast eleven by the way But the ten are in one set And there's another loose one that That Dan Perez, Daniel Perez on this very podcast commented that I think John Green casually commented to him at the Willow Creek celebration back in the day That there was another one that Bob Titas gave to a lady friend. There is a loose cast that is absolutely from that trackway or from that same foot that made that trackway. And it's kind of loose around. But anyway if you include the two the Roger and Bobcast I have molds for just four. of the other ones Three from the ten and then that that stray one that that's unusual that no one's quite sure where it came from So I've got So those two a six total The other ones have never been copied. And I'm not so sure I can or will copy them because handandling them is pretty rough at this point ap they're very, very thin. They're made of plaster of Paris, which kind of slowly kind of deteriorates over time. I mean, they really should be copied, of course, but if they're not going to survive the copying process, then they should not be copied Right I've got to make that judgment call when I'm there, but those larger You know, that large H and pom cast Only one of those has been copied before And and it is certainly the same animal or a closely related animal, but I think it's probably the same animal that left the Jerry Crw tracks in october of nineteen fifty eight. You get a three D printer cliff Yeah, yeah, probably should someday. and definitely we've talked about that at the museum Yeah, because I'm going to scan all of those certainly do a three D scans of all this stuff while I'm there because I'll you know I'll have the run of the museum for two days while they're closed. They're going to be closed Mondays and Tuesays, throughout the summer And so I'll be in there one of these Mondays and Tuesdays. So I'll let you know when I'm down there. we can go to the woods or something And you know, so it's kind of fun. if I love because you know, I love cast. I'm somewhat of a footprint cast connoisseur I just love all this sort of stuff. And so to be allowed and trusted, And and working on a project with the Willow Creek Museum for both of our benefits. It's just what a joy, What an honor that is for thirty years ago, you know fledgling cliff big foooter out there. could have never dreamt that I would have such an honor to participate in such a historical thing. So very, very pleased about that. Yeah, if anybody is looking for cool casts, the NEBC has some that are not legally allowed to be sold anywhere else. So if you are looking for legal Excellent copies of any of these casts, feele free to buy them from the NABC It helps everybody. I to get some good bootleg copies. contontact the Bes There you go. There you go. yeah B don't let Uncle Sam mix his plaster. Yeah. 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Would you like to start it off, Bobo Sure This is from Corey Bickline. Can you give me a best guess of how many credible track or hampint cast pictures and videos can be found in the public domain Not looking for miracles. more of an estimate of the quantity of extan pieces of evidence without things that exist out of the public view. Hmm. Well, there's some there this might be a language issue here But you specifically said public domain, which has a legal definition of you're legally allowed to use that photograph in publications without asking permission That's what public domain actually means So I'm not sure you actually meant that or not or if you're dis available on the internet Yeah you mean publicly available. Okay. Well, yeah, that's what I want to get out because because public domain stuff goes into public domain. what is it fifty or seventy years after the person's death who own owns it or something like that, you know So that that's a separate question, I guess, but apparently I'm guessing you probably didn't mean that Credible track or handprint casts. We'll just start there I'm thinking of, you know, like my collection because that is the largest footprint cast collection in the world. unquestionably Tom Shay might be the only person who has something close to this and I think he has two or three hundred casts, but I think that my mind number around four or five hundred at the point at this point. because I've got a lot of other casts in there like Rang pendeck things, I've got stuff from Europe, I've got human prints I've got fakes in there. I've got everything you can imagine in there. But as far as credible tracks that I think are real I don't know, three hundred or so, But that's just that's cas And that probably includes handprints. three or three hundred, fifty, maybe four somewhere in there. betweenween three and four hundred. I think is would be a reasonable guess. Pictures That's a whole different thing, man. I've got probably I've got a whole file on my computer of nothing but photographs of footprints and impressions in the ground I bet I have another five hundred or a thousand or more or something like that Yeah, I think that's probably a reasonable guess we'll just say between one and two thousand if you include all the tracks and and photographs. Now mind you, even though I inherited Dr. Mldrum's collection I did not didn't I do not have his digital files There was some hold up with the because a lot of it was on the school computer and this the school owns the computer and And there's privacy issues with students and all this other stuff. So I do not currently have the digital files. I hope to get them someday when Laurie gets them or whatever, but at this moment, I do not have them. So who knows how many people sent photographs to Jeff? Because I've got a lot of physical photographs in the Melldrum collollection of the footprints and the Kranz collection too. he had a lot of stuff. And generally back in the nineties, it seems that it was probably the very very end of the days when scientists would use slides instead of digital pictures becausecause a lot of the stuff that I have from Grover from Grover Krantance and the early Melldrum stuff was on slide films So you had to put in a projector and show it and that kind of thing Yeah, I would between one and two thousand is my final answer, although that may be a little conservative They cap It might be more than two thousand Yeah, So I don't know. I means what you count too I mean, does it have to show toes? or that like what's the cutoff? like So at least that he want a toe or two toes or No Yeah. Yeah. That's a pretty squishy question, but that's not a bad question at all Coreory. That's not what I mean. But the answer's a little squishy, I think. that is hard to give even a close estimate. But I I don't know, I think two thousand probably you fairly reasonable estimate, I think in keeping with cast talk Here's your next written question And it is from Nick Kierin Hey Klobo, and Matt, Ltime listener from Northern Utah. and aspiring pigeon here. I am watching the new NABC video and I had a question. Do you think Sasquatches ever return to a location where you've casted their printince? They notice the plaster remnants on the ground As they certainly return to areas where I have casted them. They certainly do that because I've cast them more than once within ten feet of each other, probably three or five times now At least, At least that many without even trying to think about about going into the depths of my memory, I can think of three to five of these things easy. So I know they return to the same spots, but the question is, do I think they notice any plaster remnants on the ground? First of all I try to take all the plaster remnants I can Because to me, that's litter. and littering is one of those unforgivable sins. for me That's something you don't do. It shows it just shows what quality of person you are, you know And if you do litter, by the way if you're listening and you're and go, oh, cliff's dark on me. Yeah, I'm dark on you, but you can do better You know, you can change, you can pick up your letter, do that It's easy. It makes you a better person Anyway I try to get all the plaster I can out of the area. I don't succeed all the time I know that when I go back sometimes, I do see that maybe rain has come and washed away some of the dirt that was hiding the plaster before. and then I try to pick that stuff up too So I try not to leave much for them to see But it's not so much for them, it's actually for other people. I don't want other people to know that I'm casting footprints in an area But I don't think Sasquatches understand casting I just don't think that they have that level of intellect I think that they might know why is that guy interested in that over there I think that they can understand that they have those kinds of questions. like what's up with that guy? Why Why does hear about a footprint? What does hear about my footprint but I don't think they understand the plaster part very well, justust like I don't I personally don't think they understand cameras. I assume that they see a human holding something and know that it can't be good, whatever that human is up to But I don't think they understand photography. That's a huge stretch That might They might, but I don't think they do. We'll think So the some of them have definitely seen Images of a sousequatch on a TV People watching TV , I don't think they understand TV either. you know, I mean, that's just me. But I mean know, some people think that they understand, you know, calculus I don't I'm not saying that. I'm saying I think they can recognize themselves. Yeah, sure, sure. Yeah. I think they might even recognize themselves in us You know, like like, why do why do they walk around like I do and kind of like us, but look so different They're not like a foot no ' I've gotten a couple more reports of people putting up those plywood cutouts of the squatchs and having them get torn down Yeah, Tom Shay used a dummy a mannequin in a fur coat and it got pretty tore up one time, I understand. if I remember the story correctly Yeah, so they understand that kind of stuff. But I don't think they understand Paster cast And also generally speaking I really know that they've ever seen me examining their footprints Be when I'm out there, I don't it's very rare that I'm out there you know, within minutute, I mean, within minutes of a sighting, you know, like that happened in April. I was out with friends and two of the people I was with saw a Saa watchatch and I went up and examined the footprints closely afterwards. That one was probably maybe watching or something like that. But if I just if I'm doing my regular routine and run across a footprint of the ground. I have no indication beyond just a guess when the Saquatch was there And I don't think it's necessarily constructive or destructive in any way to think that it was a theyre observing me at that time We've been with people and the moment we got out of a car, the moment we get out of a car they said, but, you know, they're probably watching us right now ,, why do you think that? Why do you think that? I mean, just because we arrived to a place, we could be anywhere And what makes you think that they're here right now? you know, like there's no information on it. It's just it's a weird sort of version of the center of the world and therefore They must be watching me, you know Not necessarily egotism, but maybe something like that. I's like I don't know about when people do Yeah, It's like why why would why would you think that they're watching you right now? I mean it's like if you're driving in like there's one road in one road out into this valley That makes sense Yeah then I'm like, yeah, o they they probably know we're here. It's like there's there's a chance there's a good chance they know we're here. like if it's a big, big wibe vale, you know, it's good good acoustics and like you got a Like a loud truck like mine You know they're going know you're there. Yeah, they're aware that you're there. I could even believe that even if but I think you should maybe couch that sament with like if there's one here now It knows we're here too. Right. I think that's a very appropriate sentence. But you know they're watching us right now Well, that assumes a couple things. Number one, that They're in the area number two that watching you implies with their eyes. And I don't think that's really how they observe us most of the time I think they observe us through the sounds we make And and they're very, very good at keeping track of us. J just like mountain gorillas are very, very good at keeping track of one another, not by seeing each other, not by watching each other, but by listening to where they go And I think Saawatches use that same skill set on us And that's why they know what we're up to all the time But nonetheless, but nonetheless, I don't think that SSWatches are out there watching me when I'm out there, I mean, they might be I'm guessing I wouldn't be at all surprised that one has seen me while I'm out there Especially since I literally walked you know, I was thirty feet away from these people when they saw the saw one in April. But you know for the most part, I don't think they're watching me. I don't worry too much about that sort of stuff Like do do you guys think I should I just think it's a general best rule. likeike if you're in the environment hoping to have an observation, you have to sort of act as if they're around Oh yeah, I think that's for sure. Yeah. because that day when my friend saw those my two friends saw one and I was thirty feet away from them We had zero indication that they were there that day. No tracks on the road, no tracks off the road we had no indication there was any around and yet they saw one. So I think it's a very good as you were saying to assume that they're there But that doesn't change my behavior really I don't think in any significant way Yeah, I don't assume they're there. I just conduct myself as if they were there in the event that if they are there, I've I've done something right, you know, versus if you're like, well, I'll be loud and noisy and cougher You know, smoke igs or whatever. and then I'll wait and hide once I hear some indication that they're around. Then I'll be. You know what I mean? So it's like, no, it's just better to, you know, treat it as if it's Sasquatch laden until proven otherwise. And you know, I've fallen victim to that many times. so it's mostly a reminder to myself. but there's been plenty of times You know, because most things are mundane. And so you hear mundane things enough times and then you hear movement, you go Yeah, that's probably a deer, an armadilla, whatever, whatever. and ninety nine percent of the time it isn't and sometimes somethingomet really squatchchy happens afterwards and it runs away and you think, oh, I probably should have gone and looked when I heard the first indication. I might have actually seen it And so I always try to say like, just treat it as if it's Sasquatch until proven innocent But it's probably not, but that's the, you know, just best practices for field activities Saswatch guilty. Here's something, go look And then confirm that it's not versus assuming that it's not again, type two errors, which I'm very prone to is like assuming that notothing extraordinary is happening Well, they're so subtle, man. You just you know never know they they're there. It's nuts Even the times I've known they were there. They were absolutely there Just to go to look, go to look, just couldn't find them. Jerks Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliffin Bobo. We'll be right back after these messages Identity theft can cost more than you think. drained investment accounts, stolen tax returns, lost wages, expenses for lawyers. It's a lot. That's why LifeLock is backed by the million dollar prrotection package, which covers up to three million dollars for the most comprehensive plan. So if your money is stolen due to identity theft, they've got your back. If you have personal expenses while resolving identity theft, like paying for travel or extra childcare, Lifelock has your back Need coverage for lost wages because work had to take a back seat throughout all this? You guessed it. Lifeelock still has your back. Plus, there's coverage if you need to pay fees for lawyers and experts to resolve your case. Don't face the burden of identity theft alone. Protect your future and finances with Lifeelock Join today. visit lifeelock dot com slash iheart and save up to thirty percent your first year. That's lifeelock dot com slash iheart for thirty percent off. Terms apply So here's a voicemail for you that I know the Bes has some experience with Hey Cliff He Bble My name is Norm I remember Claire from Sthquatch Chronicles. She was from England. And she encountered a group of family group of Salasquatches I guess in northern California Nmot sure if you remember that episode or what happened there But she was very, very believable is he uses in his intro I wonder what your thoughts were on that one Let me know Thanks Yeah, I've spoke to Claire several times. She's awesome First off, like when she talks about it it was a language like in Wes's opening soop episode five one five, five, fifteen, Southwatch Chronicles. I always recommended people W. Listen to that one. Yeah, we werere doing a We start a dock for doocumentary on Big footing big sir And that's where hers took place. And I've been to I've been to that place several times. Yeah, I mean, she's one of the most believable encounters everyone. she goes They were speaking the language. Well, she's a PhD in ancient languages And she's fluent like in nine I think it's nine languages and Two extinct languages, like some form of Greek or something, like whatever the dead She's one of the twelve people in the Dead Sea Srolls translation team So I mean,s she's brilliant and she knows exactly what she's talking. And she also found out she didn't know this when she was on Wes's show. She she found out just afterwards She'd had a massive heart attack and I dated it. You, would' m make a heart attack, which only like five percent of people live through. When they were going through her medical records, it would have been like right around that. exactly at that same time when she had the sighting because she woke up the dragg her like a drugg her She says like a half mile or a mile or something, whatever. It wasn't that far. It was like two hundred yards Mbe like three hundred and fifty, four hundred yards maybe But yeah, it's incredible that it happen e in daylight And there were some things There's the one thing that that I always think was a red flag was that they two like M will been in one been in plaid. There's the big guy in the in the smaller fouatter guy The taller skinny guy than that were Men and black types that would show up like when people had sightings She talks about that. That was like that was the only red flag on her whole her whole interview it I mean, she she was she and she talks about she was she's got all the she's got all the records for this. She she's she documented everything as well as she could Oh yeah, she had like a bad flu type symptoms, which is another heart attack like sign every indication of a massive arartt attack That's just what a badass she is. She finished her job. like she went she traveled over like Canada or something. and flew to Europe like she was She was still working like and just she just felt like she was door of death and everyone was asking me what was wrong and Yeah, and she u She gotght some flack for sure about that. She kind of kept it on a DL but you know, she she's kind of a little more open about it now Well I don't listen to any podcasts. I don't know the story. I don't know anything about it I just know Wes as a guy. I don't listen to the program or anything like that Cliff that's that's I mean, it's like not reading like a John Green book going, I don't I don't read books. It's's it's the one everyone I mean, people quot it all the time. If you ask you if you ask the ever first what's your favorite B foot story, you've heard the witness tell sees like ninety percent of the people's response I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. I know Sarah is up there. That's who keep people keep telling me about in the in the museum.'s because we never had I just didn't have Claire on out of respect to Wes because his his bigig whatever, you know, like that everyone associates with him because he' is intro and all that Yeah, she's the woman in the British Hx hand in the intro Yeah, there's there's a little ranch across the street. littleittle farm right across from the or that. C flows out into the Pacific there on highighway one, the big Sir And I try to they would not talk I like, well, if they're one here like these would have to know it and they would not communicate, they just I w at their gate one day like Most of the day I was just hanging out Finally someone came pulled up to pull in And they just like didn't want to talk You know like we're like, I got, you know, this is dangerous to on the side of the road. I got to you know, get off you know, you shouldn't be parked on the side of road here.'s there's a lot of accidents and stuff while on it there's like, Yeah, I got to go and Mister drove in the gate and then I still wrote to him and stuff and I tracked down like their address and who they were, their names and left notes written and I've doct Tap Ran baggy like a sandwich baggy You know, to keep it waterproof and duct taped on their gates. they'd have to see it and They never, never got back to me Yeah that happens If if you're living down there, you're that rich and you can afford to live down there and and you obviously want privacy like you're You know the only person living behind this gate on this little road It's like I can see Oh you want to do something to bring tons of attention to my house? Forget it. No, yeah, of course Of course, you live out there for a reason, you know You know Yeah, that's that's definitely like Sarah is everyonesite witness on our show And but I think, I mean, Westn is obviously a much larger audience. I mean That's the most quot and he'll tell you that's definitely the most quot by far the most quoted Episode he's ever had five one five Probably why you put her in the intro, right Yeah, because she's so believable. She's like and she's brilliant. She's got like the biggest vocabulary ever so she can I actually got she sent me her drawings of of what she saw dig them out, we should post them for the members Yeah, I don't know if I can post them I've been try to get a hold of her for a few months, I havenm able to get a hold of her Yeah we had Claire coming over. for the that's when the when COVID screwed everything up because we had she was going to fly over and And we werere going to go to this, you know, walk through the whole place and do like you know, get like a recreation and all that and COVID then because that's how she ft about her heart because when she went in for a bunch of testing Well, you had a massive heart attack because was that whole COVID thing So she she got it, I guess she got Kind of sick And they were real worried about us. But she couldn't even fly for so long and then We're doing the Mark Marcell one at that point and Yeah just kind of got overextended Well, things happen, you know? And hopefully she's okay. Hopefully she' still there somewhere Yeah I guess D's heard from her for a while. H Alrighty, so hopefully that answers the question. and then here is your next written submission Roman Daniels. One of the biggest indicators you personally look for that suggest a video or image is likely a hoax or misidentification. I'm curious about what things experience researchers focus on most when trying to separate authentic looking evidence from costumes, CGI, force perspective or are other forms of hoaxing Thanks for the insight and keep it squotchy I think you've got to have as many details as possible about the person and the backstory because there's so many times where evidence looks really good But all the holes are in, you know, the person's not who they say they are. they don't work where they said they work. They don't have the background that they claim to have had They weren't where they said they were when they said they were all these other indicators that it's like You know, no matter how good the evidence looks, you have to corroborate everything that can be corroborated Obviously, no one's proven that this Squatch exists yet. so that's the one thing you really can't corroborate yet, but You know, if you found multiple errors There were obviously fabrications across just the person's claims about themselves or their background been You kind of don't have to dig into too much about like limb ratios or proportions or this that and the other one. it's like, okay, well this person's lying about All of the mundane stuff. so they're probably not telling the truth about the extraordinary part of it, you know Yeah, context means everything. You you got to I've had several pictures and videos that I have no context for that may or may not be real. haveave no idea because it without that background information, you know, that's really the more Probably the most telling thing, I think, is the background information But if all you have is a clip or a picture, a clip in particular, like a video thing, the questions I always ask O why did you stop filming You know, like that needs to be present, you know, like and you just need to know that. Like why did you stop filming There's one piece of footage that I have access to. It's one of these things on the top of a mountain basically and the guy supposedly saw it come out of the straw. He started filming it at some point. He has it just as it goes over the top. Well, now I know why that guy stopped filming. The thing was out of sight. It went over to the next vallot Th again, I've never spoken to that witness. It's just one that I have access to That's one of the big questions. if there's no reason to stop filming, but they did anyway, it's probably a hoax sever I mean, this looks like for overall just How does it look when you first look at it? you know, does it look Do it jp out like there's something I mean, I'm getting definitely better at the AI thing, but I rely on a lot of experts. I was just I send it out to other people and that You know, I have expertise in that area and asking what do they think Well yeah, because more than one brain is always better than one brain You know, like everybody has a something to to add to the pile to the pile of context or story or evidence. I think it's a good idea to share stuff like that with with peers and colleagues that you trust. because they may see something you don't It's not a one man effort by it or one person effort by any means. As far as misidentifications go, like those are trickerer but you know most of the time in my experience, the majority that I've seen I mean, I've seen a handful of bears that people thought were Sasquatches, but more often than not with any other the thing, it's birds Bird's in flight And often in like the downstroke where the wings are almost like vertical. straight up and down. and so at the right angle it looks like a head and shoulders and long arms or at a distance it looks like you know, a body with long legs standing upright when it's really just a bird in flight coming straight towards the lens of the camera or straight away from it I've seen a number of examples of that. There was a big one that made the news Probably around like two thousand nine, twenty ten, somewhere thereabouts that they called the Kentucky backackyard Gorilla. you remember that one Yeah. I think we posted some of that stuff to the members in the last like year or two because I remember digging those up, but Yeah, and it really like at first glance, it looks like this big black bulky thing emerging from the brush with big shoulders and big long arms And then you see the whole series of photos from the game cama. you're like, oh, there's a feeder and there's corn on the ground and there's crows flying like to and from the corn on the ground all the time, but just one of them is this kind of cool looking shot where it does look like this big bulkier thing. Kind of like Roman mentioned that forced perspective is sort of like a perspective issue, but I've seen a lot of different bird images that get confused for Sasquatches Yeah, there's one on my website, the clliffdkman. com website under the articles It says, what is it appearances can be deceiving And I wrote an article about a misidentified crow, essentially You can gonna check that out if you guys want Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliffipin Bobo. We'll be right back after these messages Identity theft can cost more than you think. drained investment accounts, stolen tax returns, lost wages, expenses for lawyers. It's a lot That's why Lifeelock is backed by the million dollar protection package, which covers up to three million dollars for the most comprehensive plan. 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Hey, it was good to finally meet you in person at the Ohio Bigfoot Conerence Cliff I have a question for all three of you What are the chances that you guys could all be at the next one together? and do another live podcast episod Thanks really up to Bobo. I mean, I'm probably going to be there anyway, so Beware? the Biobic conference to do another live podcast episode Well, we don't have to get there. Iviously it's easier for Pruit to come here than both of us to go back there How to get prw out here on the west coast We just need a venue And so if there was a conference that had a sound system and an audience, you know, and a room that we could record in, that was the nice thing about Ohio, although We did not end up being able to use their sound system and I just had to like set up the Yeti microphones to just record the ambient room sound because you remember there was a a very protective technician there at the state park who did not want to give us access to. I was like, oh, I just need a line out from the sound board and they were not very happy about being asked that. And I was trying to be like very kind like, no, no, this it'd be really easy. I just need to like plug this one cable in here and They were their job very seriously. So for that, I commend the But so that's why it didn't sound like super high quality, like crisp from the soundboard. So But yeah, all we need for a live podcast episode is a venue. And so yeah, a conference always makes the most sense for that because there's already people there that are into the subject and an audience of people who are, you know, some of whom are already listeners And then microphones, like all the infrastructure iss in place, but It would be awesome to do it the Ohio confference, but I would say If you all kind folks Nudge Our good man Mark D Worth to facilitate such a thing. that will probably up your chances We couldt have to be limited just to Ohio Oh I agree, but the question was Ohio specifically I mean the Holocaust was is cool. It's kind of painy has to get there Yeah, but it is by far one of the best conferences Yeah, ye I'm looking forward to I wasn't, I wasn't really thinking about having like a live crowd there, but I was just thinking like if P it came out to We got to Portland and I drove up and we could do like out the field stuff more. ike we can do like kind of like, you know, some searching around, do some night stuff, whatever That would be awesome. We will make that happen in September right after the Alaska Bigfoot crruise, tickets available in the show notes grab the next written question for you And there you go cliff Okay, it is from Paul Ray seem to be getting more prevalent in the eastern half of the country and Alpha Gal syndrome is on the rise. I don't know what that is. Is it possible for a sasquash to contract or Alpha Gal syndrome What would the implications be to their population if they can't consume any mammalian meat? I am looking forward to KrypticCon this year, especially since it's been moved fifteen minutes from home. Thank you. Yeah, Alpha gal is a tick transmitted disease that gives people extreme adverse reactions to eating mammalian meat. And I've had several friends who've contracted it I'll double check it, but I think it's the Lone star tick that transmits that But yeah, so I've had friends that have gone out in the field, come home, found a tick on them, remove the tick You know, sometime later or at a restaurant eating a steak or a hamburger and then their throat starts to close up and they start, you know, having extreme allergic symptoms And, you know, veryery shocking to them because they eat and meat their whole lives and then they have to switch to entirely like chicken, fish, et cetera. So it sounds awful because I'm a lover of mammalian meat. and so it is a good question as to whether or not sasquatches might be susceptible to such a thing if there is already some immunity that they might have to tick borne illnesses given that they existed alongside ticks for however long or maybe it's like a blood volume thing that, you know, does that Maybe that does not apply to tick borne illnesses in the same way that like, you know, snake venom is going to be less potent, the more blood volume an animal has. And so you know, a very large animal will have very little reaction to a snake bite versus you know something much smaller with the amount of volume of the venom in the bloodstream overall, et cetera, like proportionally So I don't know. that is a really good question though. I hadn't thought about that before, but I definitely think about alpha go a lot. you always should treat all your clothes with permeetrin It'll kill any ticks that get on your clothes if you treat them properly That should be just everything, socks, boots, pants, shirts, undershirts. all the above hats, like anything you wear that a tick might get on before it attaches to your skin. So yeah, it's definitely a concern. So that is a good question According to the web, the Lone Star tick is the main tick associated with alpha Gow syndrome in the United States. A few other tick species can also be linked to alpha Gl syndrome in some regions, but the Lone star tick is the most common United States based cause Make sure you Google that folks and learn how to identify the lone Star tick and be very vigilant. in the woods. Wh I just did a quick search are apes susceptible to alpha gal and they and I'm just going to read this directly off of Google here. Yeah, apes are theoretically susceptible to Alpha Gell syndrome because they share the same biological quirk that humans do Their cells do not produce the alpha Gal suugar molecule. I didn't even know about that either However, the syndrome is incredibly rare or practically non existent in wild apes, largely due to different immune responses and behaviors So I'm not sure if that sheds any light on it I would assume that much like pooison Oak that I'm guessing Sasquatches are probably resistant to poison oak. J just like deer kind of are. I think deer actually eat it if I remember right So they might have some sort of like immune response to it that allows them to skirt by without it. But then again, maybe not Do you have alpha gal out there, Bes? Besides Karita, she's kind of the alpha gel, your housesover And I haven't heard of it here. I think it's all down like down there, isn't it? I don't know. I don't know in general, we don't have a lot of ticks here, although I did literally see a news item today Ticks are on the our side of the mountain and pretty bad this year. And yesterday I got had a conversation with Nico, a former museum manager, moved on to bigger and better things. and he said that where he works they have Just yesterday or two days ago, and I think it was yesterday, yesterday, so two days ago F ticks off themselves while out in the woods. So Sicks are definitely becoming a thing on my side of the mountain. Generally speaking, it was mostly on the eastern side of the cascades and a little, but they were here J not very many of them, but apparently this year is kind of an exception. They're getting worse and you know, with the ticks are really doing a number and making a comeb back, I guess, in places where they weren't just that weren't very prevalent, but There's a lot of them in various places now So hopefully I don't to find out about this I'm on a need to know basis with all tick borne diseases, and hopefully I don't need to know anything. As I say, yeah, I just remember like being up there them saying like there's no ticks west of the west side of the cascades. I was like, Yeahah, right. I frreaking' pulled This is like twenty five years ago, like thirty years ago, R pulling takes off me up there Yeah, I think down in the valley, there's more You know, down in the Willamette Valley because I've got you know, almost at a thousand feet here where I live on the side of the cascades, But I think down there that there are ticks, there are poison, there is poison oak and there are rattlesnakes. And those three things are largely absent from my general area. Maybe it's an altitude thing or I don't know Yeah. And I'm not saying that they're they're not here either. Mind you. I've gotten poisoned things in the woods Although I could think I got a Western poison Iivy, not poison oak because I know what poison oak looks like. You know, up here, there's just less of it down and lower elevations, it seems to be much more prevalent And I think all three of those items, you know, pooison oak, Ticks and rattlesnakes are just more prevalent at the lower elevations here and then on the eastern side of the cascades where it's more deserty and dry. Yeah, we got crazy I mean, the P Noook. I've see out this, there's a lot of it. Oh yeah, when I was out last week in Southern Oregon, it was everywhere everywhere and I somehow didn't get it. It's been a number of days now. I should have shown the signs of it if I got it, but I skirted that one. but Generally speaking, if there's an opportunity to get some sort of poison plant on me, I will do so Ticks too, my go, ticks. They're not even they're not even insects They're Aachids And I can't think of one arachnid that I think is adorable Oh, there's that little tiny there's a what a couple of mosaic spider It's like one inch, it's like a jumping spider.'s Beautiful. Oh really. Okay, well, let me look this up. Mosaic spider. I think I can't know what they're called down South America, I think You know what Those are beautiful But at the same time, I don't think they're going to make stuffed animals out of them and you know, sell ' them to kids Look He's like dinosaurs Yeah, those are cute Yeah, but can you imagine like selling tick plushies I like a natural history museum. That' be pretty good You you can you can have the Bloated one, the one engorged with blood or without I in Yeah this is not what I was talking about. Well, they arere pretty though. Like the translucent legs and Cliff It's a peacock spider. Oh, peeacock spider Okay, there They are adorable And I do see here, it looks like alpha Gow, according to this search, Alpha Gaow syndrome appears to have been recognized in the U.S. since the early two thousands. withith the condition first identified in two thousand seven earlier case patterns going back to the nineties in Georgia but it didn't become widely reported in the US. population until it looks like roughly around like twenty ten So the only reason I bring that up is like maybe Sasquatches might have some sort of like a evolved immunity, but I don't know where the origins of alpha Gaal come from. If it is something that's like newly emerged in the US. just in the last twenty five plus years or if it's something that's been around in North America for a very long time to do some more research, but I do think it is a good and relevant question from Paul there Yeah that is a good one. And Bobo yes, peacock spiders are cute I can see making a plushy out of those. I sit corrected Yeah I li down correct it Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliffin Bobo. We'll be right back after these messages. Identity theft can cost more than you think. drained investment accounts, stolen tax returns, lost wages, expenses for lawyers. It's a lot That's why LifeLock is backed by the million dollar prrotection package, which covers up to three million dollars for the most comprehensive plan. So if your money is stolen due to identity theft, they've got your back. If you have personal expenses while resolving identity theft, like paying for travel or extra childcare, Lifeelock has your back. Need coverage for lost wages because work had to take a backseat throughout all this You guessed it. Lifeelock still has your back. Plus, there's coverage if you need to pay fees for lawyers and experts to resolve your case. Don't face the burden of identity theft alone. Protect your future and finances with Lifeelock Join today, visit lifeelock d. com slash iheart and save up to thirty percent your first year. That's lifeelock d. com slash iheart for thirty percent off. terms apply So this is a hard hitting question from One of our listeners in Georgia, who I've chatted with before from near my hometown. this one's for the Bobes Jadie Phelps. Bubo's favorite beus and Budhead episode. Oh man. It's been so often to seen those M I love that first movie They do America The movie was very funny I love that one then, uh Got it, favorite episode Oh I know I have one Oh. I you know, it's just been what's been like twenty years since that's been on or more I guess they got they got new ones back now God, I try think I was more, I don't know, I just love those guys. E ever seen like I saw like not too long ago I watched one recently I was like No This out Not the best use of time watching beers about Hitory runs A day not wasted is a wasted day, bobes I used to think I was cheew and now I don't I never think of them in terms of episodes, but I always think about them in terms of like the music videos that they parody. and so You remember the one where they did Rollins Band's liar Ds. That one is so funny. That one always comes to mind whenever people reference Bef as and but. I mean, they did so many funny takes on music videos, but that one in particular, like always made me laugh. Yeah I love the Th our buddies were on there. The Lords of Brooklyn' rarapped group out of Brooklyn, New York who are just Classic, classic dudes. you know, full full Guido guys And they totally ripped on those guys. I remember laughing, but that's because I knew those guys made it extra funny You'll have to dig into those. I'll find the Rllins video thing and put a a link to that the show notes because I remember it' quite funny There you go And then for the final question here for this june twenty sixth Q and A, here is a often asked question But it's been a while since we've answered this one particularly. but I think there's a few things worth considering here beyond just the general gist of the question. So here's the last question for you Cliff Anthony Schultz asks who would a person contact if they came across the body or a skeleton of a sasquatch, given the chance to set If it were reported to any governmental department, they would try to cover it up or keep it from the public Come me. Yeah, callall one of us. We'll get in contact with the right folks, which of course, is Darby Orcut essentially at this mom Yeah, we've got direct contact with all these people, so get a hold of us as soon as possible. And in the meantime, take samples. cut off things, hide them, don't tell people about it. we'll get it done. We'll prove this thing' be over. If if we get on any kind of any kind of electronic communication, like internet, phone, anything, text likeike Hide some parts where no one's going to find them and they're not going to get dug up and eaten by another animal or whatever orr just like is they not going to cook somewhere, likeike put it somewhere. Cool dry and stash it.