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U Very good. Very good. And I wonder if that made Oh you knew that I under podcast All of it E out there.ing. Yeah, it was speaking mathematics, David. it's easy. You couldn't hear that? That didn't sound like anything today. It's so crazy. That was me saying two plus two plus ten minus one Equals This is I didn't get a lot of sleep last night. I lost the track. I said two plus two Plus ten fourteen. minus one is thirteen. And then I was gonna add one more thing to it. I was gonna do times Zero. tricky This is my bit I do with Aa Erlich, son of David Erlk. I did it one time loves math. I'm now three years into him insisting I do it every single time. He loves math. He thinks math is the best thing and the funniest thing. And my bit is that I take out the calculator on my phone. And I come up with the biggest number I can. and then I go, watch how big this is going to be. And then I times it by zero And then when the number disappears, I go, what are you doing? You're using some kind of prank calculator. You' spoofing and goofing me. And he hasn't caught on yet. He likes pointing at me and saying, you're so bad at math. Right. That's what likust kind of like roast. He likes that I become the fool. Right. I'm hoisted by my petard. I will say in the film Disclosure Day, about M, you have the reveal that There are two people that have been gifted you know, the knowledge from extraterrestrials and one of them got math and the other person got empathy. I was just like, fuck if I was the math person,, I'd just like kill myself. wouldouldn't I feel like you're thinking of this as a ' I'm bad at math. And you're anhic person. Well, true. But it's like, but then youd be good at Well good at math. Well, but you're already empathetic. I actually do wantan to be good at math. There are a lot of things I'm not good at that I don't care about. It would be great to be good at math. For me, that's dancing Oh, I'd love to be great at this. My number one thing is languages, like if I could like snap my finger and suddenly be able to speak like the fifty langages that would be so whichich Emily Blunt can do in this movie. Y. So I was like she definitely and also, I'm nosy as hell, the fact that she like can be like David Sims tonight's your wife'sirthday.'re gonna take her to a music. apologize. Like you know. All of that's actually true. For me Play all the instruments. You want a one man band? I can just like grab a violin. Yeah, grab a guitar pick up Well, I could play a tuba, but you don't, I'm sorry. what? Yeah, Ben Wale's on the tube. I was a band kid in middle school. I feel like I might have known this, but I forgot that it was the Tuba guy. Oh, yeah, Ben B Tuba. You've never seen the picture of Ben in his school band where he looks like a little porcelain Christmas ornament? He does Rd Ruddy faced.. He's very ruddy faced and we love that about him. We love that about him. You're not really a ruddy guy now, but thank God. I mean, I suppose if you a few beers in you, a few pints in you, you might get a little ruddy. Yeah right The Irish whiskkey starts flowing. Right. But the emotions kick in. I feel like if you're you're laughing really hard, you're proud of a joke. you're getting emotional Yeah, it'll happen. I referred to you as a ginger recently and you took Umbraidge. It's not a ginger. I'm not a ginger. I thought you was. I feel like. I've got some like little you're not like a proper as the Brits would call it, ginger. But you've got red reddish hair. It really sounds It sounds offensive. It sounds violent. in like in a weird way., 'use it's like are you believe you. We don't believe. it real. It is real. That is totally real Re And we're closing all of the dirty g cl dirty g. And like I'm sure I've said this on the podcast before. I came home from school when I was like ten And I was like, to my mom, I'm like, they're so mean. Everyone is so mean to this kid who has red hair You know, and she's like what he deserves. Yeah, she was like, you listen to me. That's what you call him. And no, no, no. she was like, it's one thousand years of hating Irish and Scottish people. Like She was just like that makes sense. Becauseuse I was like, whyy do they? And she was like, they don't even know it, but it's just, you know, decades, centuries of like, well, those are the, you know, the gallic. You know, we don't want them. It all traces back to a couple missing pots of gold that they just no one has ever gotten into. I'm try to be empathetic and explain so shocking to me as a child of life Fy' just got red hereir. You're all Yeah You're all pasty English people. No I don't think it's just the red hair. It's the red hair and the freckles. It's the freckles. It's the that you look a little different. You know, I mean, what do childrens do? They Children's. What do children's do? They make fun of people who look different. It's not nice. They shouldn't do it. think They' They're obviously not playing literal siblings in this. and I think they're both very good at American accents But does it not kind of help that Josh O'Conor and Emily Bl both British in this movie but it little removed from real B both have the same exact kind of like pitch of their performance.. I think that's very fair. I'm trying to think of I feel like there's a lot of other examples recently of this of the two Brits in the lead both doing act. You want like two fake Americans like is repaired. Yeah right. You like like just watch a movie. L just I mean, obviously Everyone's always complaining about the Brits getting the plum rolls, but sure. Yeah. Is there something on that? I mean, the one that's crazy that I think about all the time, of course is Daisy Ridley not doing an American accent and John Boyega doing an American ex in Star Wars, which is not set on Earth. No, but they decided like only one of you can do your own voice. Tribute to Carri Fisher They were like, what if this doesn't line up I think what you were thinking of actually was the Mandalorian and Grogu. Because Pedro Pascal is not actually a Mandalorian O acting or in it. But Grogu is a Yoda's species talk about nice if you can. Okay, so I'm looking through the mle learning Ler. Sure. I'm looking through my letter boox diary. Okay. grooms. Oh ye. although Renada is she's not a Euro.'s not British, but she's also not really doing something. Another good example of a movie where it's like they should feel a little off. everythingvery about this movie's a little. likeike right And it's sort of set in like before Yeah. But like we're not gonna to get too into like, you know, those kinds of details. It was very old in that way. You're just like a little strange. And with the original it was originally someone else. It was Kristin Mil Milioti It was Krista Milatti and Renta was going to be in weapons. I just think it like all the shuffling of the sort of, you know, intriguing. W she going to be the Julia Garner part? Yeah. Interesting, which I'm sure she would have crushed Julia. Tyree Henry was going to be Benedict Wong Sure. And why am I forgetting his name now? The original cast of Weons Hber was qu to be Alden H Rick, whichich like I mean, these are all good actors and then Per P to be Brolin. Yes Pascal was going to be He probably would have been pretty good, but Brolin's really good in weapons because Brolin's really good at playing U, a fucking masculine guy who's neutered Like he's really good with him. And also He's could have playing a tough guy too, but like he's better if you kind of neuter him a. Let I ask you a Berlin related question.. This is an installment of Berlin with the Homies. Rllen with the Homies I have not watched the trailer or welllefall. I haven't yet what if there was a whale? but I'm hearing great things. that's what I wanted to ask. If anyone has seen the trailer? I have, yes. Does a whale fall? Yes, than you. Fromwhere Higher up in the water. correct. Is it just deeper in the water? Yeah. Yeah, like what if a whale came up went and then like, you know, starts going back down and you're inside of it. How do you get out? They' So they're Jonah's. Yeah, V much so. It's a. Austin Abrams. is looking for Brolin, I think is what he'side's looking foride a whale in the ocean. Yes another whale get him. You don't know. And then they both deep in the whale. They both in whale. And then they got to get out of the whale? Yeah. Oh my God. And it's Brian's deep in whale gott to get out of a whale our tickets on sale yet? Yeah, you have to Go to a whale. Yeah. Yeah, Marie, Marie, it's really easy to get the tickets.ust go down the bottom of the ocean and nothing bad will happen get really really L that guy's last movie, no one will save you. B Del. whichich was a movie that I was that was on Hulu where I was just like, this should be in a movie theater. Yeah. And so I'm glad that his next movie. is in a movie theater? Well, sure. I mean you're thinking in a very traditional kind of elitist way. Hulu was merely trying to wish you a happy Hulueen, and you were not appreciative. Happy Halloween to you all. Ha It is of course disclosure today. But I wan to wish all of you a happy Halloween Oh boy. Disclosure Day. Disclosure Day. There's a new film by Steven Spielberg Who we've covered on the podcast twice, one plus one equals one in this case. shouldould we do We've now covered one complete philmography.ould we do two episodes of this just because we've actually covered Spielberg on two separate m we could yes, cover it once through the prism of early Sielberg and once through the prism of Late Sielberg. indeed there's definitely like a post fablemen's reading and then a prefablemenan ading in my opinion. Yeah. I'm true of almost anything you ever made. Yeah. D this is great more work. you love it, Dav you keep going add more. Yeah let me clear my schedule. And like it's like me trying to find new spots in my schedule now it's just like fucking like truck, you know, like my shovel hitting rock. Like I dug to the bottom of Minecraft Do know if there's another Minecraft movie coming out next year?? Yeah if you's nounballs in it. Minecraft movie squred Prety pretty. Oh, I love that. That's actually. the next one can be cubed, right? Yeah You get that ben A I was just building out my first twenty seventeen list. Your first of sorry twenty twenty se. Okay, okay You know, if like all right, let doesn't really matter but what's going to be coming out And yeah, it was I was like, oh, they they got that fucking done quickly. like Yeah, they're filming right now with Kirsten Dunst who's about to start a kind of historic finally getting that bag run. Yeah, give her the bag. She's got housemade Yeah My housemade seecret? Yes. So like that's another one where they were like roll this back as fast as. I feel like she's got three sneaky sequels of things that weren't obvious slam dunks. So she's doing kind of the rock in like twenty ten? Yeah. Except she's not like franchise Viagra, which is what he of course loved. The Rock was in GI Joe two Journey to the mysterious Island. There's another one. He kept being in sequels to movies that he was not in. And there was one, what was the other one? You're right Journey to the Mysterious Island, of course, is the one where he's like You know, the Twitter joke was like, Hey, we got a p part for you journey the my seriously.'s like I'm not interested. It's like, okay, well, how can we sweeten the deal? I want to ride a be.? Wh was the poster wriding a be? The poster is him riding a giant be Michael Cane. W to ride a be. This is one of those classic Duane Johnson, Michel Kane on that in vehicles, the big three Hold on And the plus a B, the big three plus of B. It was a B movie. It was a B movie I seeing him riding a bee kid Like running away from a giant like lizard creature. Oh I got you found it You found his. Oh wow. P said My daughter was reading her rock book just last night. People said he wasen He couldn't ride a be. doesn it. Vanesssa Hudgins too. Of course. The billing order he was like, get Hudgginins, get a be, then I'm interested. The Billing order is Dwaye Johnson, Michael Caine's second build. I assumed he'd be the A, but he's second build. I want second build. Joshs Hutchson returning from the first film. Yeah, he's like, Hi guys and everyone's like, what is the first film M Vanessa Braon Fraasier was in it. Maybe returning? I don't know. Louise Gosman and Kristen Davis. She got the answ. Kristen Davis. Davis. Ch of herself. Yeah. Good for her. Yeah, journey to the mysterious Island. Vanessa Hudgins is not in journeys to the center of the Eth. Was Brandon Bendndon Fraasier? Yes.. So did she replace Brandon Fraser? Yeahes, she's replaced. The rock is actually replacing Seth Myers, who' also in No journey as I' I'm sure said on this spodu guys before has one of my favorite trailer jokes, which is the pec? No, no, with Brendon Frasier. Oh, o whereere they fall we still falling? No, it's just they fall Th they stop And then Bird of Fisure goes, We're still falling It's so funny. Both of those movies made a hundred million noes. should next time we're looking for like end the year like what's a fun like a two slot? Like you guys should just journey toition there must be an original like Because it's the HG Wells. Like was there like a fifties journey to the cent of the Earth or whatever? Probably. Oh, o sure. So you could pull that. C journey two is adapting a different HG Wells book retrophy or very faithfully I think there's an HG Wells book called The Mysterious Island. they were. I'm just I don't know if they really even opened the book. opened The opening line of the book is Duaye Johnson was riding a bumblebee And at the time, audiences were very confused. They went, I don't get what this means. Is this a foreign language? Is he speaking in tongues like Emily Blunton Disclosure Day? And decades later it became clear. it's not H.GSs of I' sorry. It's Jules Verne. What if Jul Verne Patreon series. L what are some film adaptations of The two thousand leagues under the sea around the world made So twenty thousand twenty thousand knocking eighteen thousand whole leagues. So you're so like the whale started at two thousand les under that draw. and then he fell twenty thousand legs under the. There arere too many hunchbacks. Okay. No that gets you You guys are out of control Okay. so twenty thousand leags under the sea. you got the Kirk Douglas James Mace movie. So there you got that. Okay. there was also But James Mason journey to the center of the earth in nineteen fifty nine. Okay. Do any of you guys have a good James Mason Im sure I could work on one, Anvise? Yes thinking we do. Then there's o, this is a problem. We have a huge problem. Okay. There's a huge problem now that we're doing this mini series We we've committed We've been ha been ins serious. We've been having ins serious problem. There are two works two versions of another work of his around the worldld in eighty Days. So there's the interminable Best picture winner and then the horrendous Steve one Cecil De France. Another big three When's the last time those three made a movie together Tugin fan in D France France is great. I love you love France. is Sheo's a different French actress. Do you ever see o tension Yeah, No I like skipped over all of the French horror from the French extm French extremity. He was the Barb Wire lady in. There's also a Ray Harry House in Mysterious Island Yeahong along with the you know And then, uh, There's a Jooseph cotton from the Earth to the Moon Okay nineteen fifty eight. Okay. That could be fun. That could be fun. So this sounds like a really quick twelve movie series. It's like nine. I think we're overcomplated the mooon is the one in the book where they just get in a bullet and shoot at the moon, which I always thought is pretty cool. Yeah. That's what happens in the milli years. Yeah, well Maybe we we throw that in too. We break these into sub franchises. We go from the Earth to the mooon, we go journey We go to leagues, we go Days. Maybe these are sa for time. We can play them at Two X? Yeah, or four X or just play them on simultaneous screen. Yeah, ye, yeah. just be like I see, I think there's a B over there. Okay, we're moving on. O'm going Roy, this b, I can't, how would he say it ost to ridide the be that bloody beit. I don't know if Michael Caine actually rides the bee because he's not riding a bee on. Oh he does. I'm sorry. There's a character poster. right here. Yeah he does. Look at his face He's got heav on a be. I'm a fucking be. I'm roiding a by.. He doesn't talk like that.ually. The bee doesn't talk like that. We're talking about disclosure day Yes, directed by Steven Spilberg. Yes Steer work decid to jump a little out of his comfort zone and make a movie about our relationship to aliens. And this time he's blowing the doors wide open on this thing This film is called Disclosure Day. It is directed by Steven Spielberg. Yes. It is written by David Kepp. hisis frequent collaborator story by Stehven Spielberg. prettyretty rare that he takes a story credit. lately. gettingetting really excited when they saw that credit. Yeah. Felber Alien story with has been a real mystery box movie. It was just sort of announced Spielberg kep alien film. It was untitled for a while. Th then it was called The Dish, which was a terrible title. The cast was known. Everything else was kind of a mystery for a while. Wasn't there like another project that was also announced and like we weren't sure which one was going to come first? There was like the more historical drama about like Wittbg Fought against America type folks. I sure work There was the bullet. ye, but it felt like he was unconventionally slow to land on a new project post Fablemans Usually that's true. The four year gap is long for him these days. Really long. Really for any days, I guess. But usually he has, I mean, I think he said this in an interview that basically U the longest gap he had taken previously was The one in between his crazy ninety three and his crazy ninety seven. Because even in the pandemic, he had a movie come out and Fabelman's came out quickly after and that was both him building Dreamworks and building a family There was that feeling of like, usually he's got like ten movies in development and the second he's promoting one movie, you hear that he's already starting the next one. We're never going to see that kid kidnapping movie ar. No, he dropped that That caught made They got made. There's like an Italian movie that came out about that story. I feel like he just kind of let it h. You know, he was like, forget Now he's supposedly working on the west Now he he's saying he's working on a western But it doesn't feel as it feels like he slowed his clip down And I think it's getting into a little bit more of a, I don't want to work for the sake of working. I want to make a thing. I feel an overriding desire to do. He's seventy nine years old It is crazy h all our have corct. I have a correction for you.. He's sev nine years young You are right' a pretty brightly fellow. He just moved to New York. a New York. He's aew Yorker now. I'm sure he's living forty second Street Nh Avenue. No. My old stomping grass. Uh I don't think it's pretty crazy that all the boomers are old. I mean, that' that's life. No, it's life. It just does feel wrong to me I think of them as being the whipper stnaampers, even though they I was born into world that they had already claimed. Right They the movie Bats or whatever were they'd grown up by the time you were watching movies Uh, Stevie Spielberg. He's seventy nine. be eighty in December. This is fortieth feature film? What number are we looking at here? 's gonna make me count. Let's see. Now we're not counting firelight. No, but we are counting del This is very much a return to I wouldn't say return to form, but it was framed as a guys Spielberg is going to do the Spielberg thing again for the first time in a while down to a thing I saw our Reditors post which was a good point poster for this movie is Bpielberg last name only abbove the title. Yeah. it is hard to think of another case director's name is above the title, not yet as a Steven Spielberg film. And there's also not an actor name above the title. He is it's as if it's Schwarzenegger Yeah you're you're totally right. I mean, Nolan is that, but he He loves the's filed by Christopher Nolan. he lo in a big long billing block. Yeah, although but the Odyssey's teaser poster is just a film by Chrisopher Nolan. It's not that, you know, other people couldn't do that But it is a few rare that there's a marketing campaign that is just Spielberg Sielberg. I. I mean, there's Cclosure Day There's the number one Lee Cronan, we all know. Yes. He can't be touched. But that's not a billing issue. It's his mummy, David. What if he revealed, I found this mummy? That's why it's called Lee Cronen's mummy. It's my mummy. I didn't direct the bill. I was so scared during that movie. I was screaming, I was shaking, I was convulsing and someone point out to me, don't worry Griff, It's Lee Cronan's mumy And I went, oh my God, I didn't who it belonged to Oh my go. I' see' waiting for the HBO Max drop. Oh so worry I didn't know whose mmy it was. D, whatever it's gonna to be on. Yeah. I feel bad Lly crone and that was that was a tough. That maybe it his fault. Maybe he was like my name has to be aboutove the t. It feels like a real Dappy Ducker thing. But I think more like I mean, what I heard was essentially they were like, they want to make it clear. It's not.'s Brend Brandon Fraser. And I'm like I would do anything else to make that clear rather than making the public. They just called it haaunted Child Yes, justust calling something else. We found a fucked up thing in the desert. We found a fucked up thing. There're like the focus features or whatever, like Twitter accountpt like they tweeted like once a day for two weeks. It was new line, I think. or whatever it was, Brendon Frasier is not in Lee Cronen's mummy. Yes. And I thought they were doing a bit No where they were leading up to like surprise cameo. I think they were not init they were initially going to tweet that once. then they were like, let's make it a bit I mean it was kind of a classic like, well, you made it a bit and that's kind of like now there's smoke. evenven people think there will be fun. It classic, just to be clear, this is not a movie based on the toys. Myial My T shirt that says Brend Fraaser is not in the mummy anser. They did it like in all caps. I was like, come on, you're like they did.re you're asking for it They were asking for it. Lee Stevenpielberg, Lee Cronan has made I think three films. Steven Spiberg has made thirty five Okay. thirty six if you count twwilights on the movie, which I don't. Yeah, if you're nasty.. But this is thirty fifth feature from my count Yeah And good. Right. It was there was the just sort of he's doing a UFO movie. He's doing some sort of alien movie. Why is Spielberg going back to this? Well, we were debating this with our editor Alan Smithy How many alien films the Spielberg count? If you include Crystal skkull, which you have to is five So the five are Close encounters. Close encounters would the third kind BTV extratererrestrial. warar Oh the world. thenen Indiana Jones and The kingdom of your disclose Je Yeah Remember gaiety R Yeah. Yeah, it's kind of crazy we did like forty five hours of bits about gayET and we never landed on LGBET. Sometimes if something's like right in front of you. It was right there see. Well also we did, but we definitely did say that he was the extra extraterrestrial. We did We did. Okay. Right. And we won many awards for that. A thing I also noted when I was writing my review is this is his first contemporary films that before the Worlds And then I so then I started thinking about it a little bit more. So you have the terminal? That's a contemporary a fully contemporary film by him with no funny business. It takes place in an alternate reality in way Tom Hanks is funny. No, he's does have an alien It s does it has an illegal immigrant. That's so true. That is Fr crlosure Ah, and Normal voice, normal accent on the. Victor Navorsky Be a lot of his, when I was thinking about it, a lot of his contemporary set films, so here we, you know, Disclosure dayay. War of the Worlds. Uh let's let's set aside terminal for a second here Jurassic Park movies. Y Always contemporary I guess it is Al alwaysways is contemporary. kind of it's obviously very old fashioned, but it is set, I think in the present day. Yeah Sugarland Express Sugarland Express and eat heat so it's. And Jaws and J Js. But like, you know, things like Jurassic Park War of the World's Disclosure Day. It's like, yeah, they're set in the present day sort of But disisclosure day is kind of set in a slightly different world from our own. It's got Alien tech. and kind of, you know, like it feels like Jurassic Park's a little bit the same where it's like Yeah, yeah, this is our time, but you're like, yeah, but it's not. We got c dinosaurs in it. Right. I think that was part of the pitch on this movie is Spielberg's gonna to talk about our times This thing that we all love, that Spielberg could make these very emotional character driven blockbusters that felt like they were in conversation with our world. It's also just the thing of like, hey, so few people get to do an original big movie like this. so it's awesome that he wants to Yes. Like when he was like, I might remake buullet. I was like, I bet you will do a good job if you do that. I don't really want you to do that. I'd rather You took a weirder swing? I also I think no I'm so emotional about it Yeah, you're going burp. There are I would say two modes that Spielberg has been operating in since this century started One is him sort of trying to become A class assist, right tryrying to become like a haawks or a hughes or a Ford and to focus on maybe sort of neglected genres or more classical filmmaking styles and making kind of grown up movies. And this whole feeling that he and George Lucas are complaining about IP culture and franchise blockbuster movies, but there's some guilt about maybe what they created and Stehven is trying to actively put the opposite type of movie into the system, which for so long, his name was so big that no matter what, basically anything he did became a massive success. And that has fallen off the last fifteen a little bit. A little bit. He's still Steven Spielberg, but there's no longer a guarantee which like Lincoln made. Lincoln was humgous. like three hundred million dollars or something like. Lincoln was like one eighty dimas Yeah. Yeah, but that's like razy That' that's when he still was like anything he does becomes a blockbuster Obviously, right Westide Story and Felman's were not blockbusters. Westide Story was very much the COVID hangover Stableman' was one of those things where it's like, I think that movie should have done better Yeah because it did quite it did like nothing nothing. But it was right and it was still, you know, twenty twenty two and it was that thing where Universal put it on Yeah, The Ring Sandal was bad. After seventeen days and they were like, well, this is what we do with all our movies now and it was just like, guys, shut the fuck. Steven Spiilberg made this. Yes. Like have a lot of work Fning for Oscars. Yeah. What was the other one I was going to throw out? I mean, the Post and Burgess Spies both did well But sort of like well for adult dramas. They both did like six thousand seventy domestic, one hundred Wwide. Oh well, you know what? I'm gonna to look this like a website where it's eas to look it up. I just kidding, they don't exist. Great. There are two modes. There's that. And then the second mode is for the last twenty five years, he's constantly tempted by can I go back and do a classic Spielberg family blockbuster Ver eighty one brridge to seventy. Okay Both good numbers. Yeah. Yeah They're have been varying levels of success and people disagree about which ones work better than others, but I would say like Tinton crystal skkull player one These are sort good. The BFG. These are like he's trying to go back home again and also trying to find a new modern mode of how can I be in conversation with what's happening right now in blockbuster movies But like return for my crown And this feels like him making A seventies movie. It's what's fascinating about it. Yeah, is that it doesn't feel like him being like, fuck, what did the kids like today? No, totally. He's not ready Player one was a little bit more of him being like, let me get in the current sandbox and see what I want to do. Cinton is I want to use these new tools. Indiana Jones, what does this look like in a modern contract? This is you're right. This is more close encounters It is a blockbuster adult, you know drama. No, the other the other sort of qualifier here as we talked about when we did our original series is that when he does the two I just got an insane text message. When he does the would you believe it's about my grandmother? When he does the T Tom Cruise movies where it's like, the biggest director and the biggest star in all of Hollywood are doing something together, they make these two very haunted dark movies. They're awesome, but they're not traditional audience pleasing blockbusters, right? He makes haunted films So this is like promise of kind of Spielberg face wonder humanity driven character driven, performance driven. Classic Ambin blockbuster was from the moment they start actually putting out trailers posters promise of what this movie was. David, I think you and I pretty unabashedly loved this Huge fan of this movie think it' fantastic. I'm curious to see it a second time because it is a movie that is You know, like eighty percent slow burn And I was loving unraveling? I don't agree on bird. Yeah.'s very fast. I thought it was it drops first of all, the craziest opening shot of any. ucking spielberg mo. It's a creuew You could bet a billion dollars What do you think the opening frame of this movie is? Dick' just I would sooner bet that than I would sooner bet is I would sooner bet that than that it is the opening shot is a like an AW wrestler kicking the camera run. It It really is so fun. But it's it drops you in Media res and then you're on the run the whole You're on the run. Yeah, there remindsive.ind me Ny report Yeah. Yeah. And like and obviously it has that Mority repeport V also of like, I want to talk about what I'm thinking about right now, but with a sci fi lens. But it's got the Twilight zone thing of where is this going? Yeah, sure, sure. We're in the middle of the story We'll tell you stuff as we're moving. How are these things connected? We got to keep moving. Right. G gotta keep moving. I that's what's smart about the construction of the movie is that it's able to play both sides of the coin does the thing that I'm sure, you know, people don't like where no, you know, everyone's like, So what's going on? gu guys like, I'm going to tell you. We got to get This house And then I'm gonna tell you one more sentence. It's also we got to do another thing. it does you'ing the characters themselves who don't actually know This is why why they're being compom somewhere. What you're describing David usually pisses me off. And in this movie why it wor me off too is that no one has the complete picture Everyone has pieces of it and they're trying to strategically use what they know. support and the allegiance of the others But no one has the full view of everything Not even Cin Firth I can't even call in first. Brard is holding on to a stick. I'm grumpy today. Do you think Spielbert's jealous that he's probably only gonna end up being the second most powerful stick of the summer movie season But o ahead. Mne wish Willow fucking whip in the disclosure st. That's a bundle of sticks. That's one wish Wow. It's got like the little kind of It's got some thorn it. It's got a bundle. It's got thorns It's got little thn. one wish Willow. these kids arebs. with wish W. That movie. I saw it with no hype Yeah beyond like fantasy being like, it's pretty it's good. Like you should check your. led your finger you walked out of the screen and held up to the wind and you went. I think three hundred forty domestic more than baby Oda. I just walked out being like that was very like unpleasant and effective. That was like a pretty yeah, yeah, sure. I get it. I get it. rightight. I did not walk out being like The world just changed. generenerationally, everything is changing. But I'll also admit it's not my vibe of a movie, I suppose. So I was maybe never gonna feel that way. Back in my day, kids were using Chad GPT to do their homework. Nowadays they're using one wish Willow.ish One wish Willow. and they say my one wish is to write my next paper for me Just one paper. Okay, so Trump administration heurard him is actually like releasing UFO files. Well they love wor files. That's all they do is release files. Every file that anyone would wantan to see they're releasing. So if you go to war. gov sl slash UFO W. gov We live on stupid Earth. It's so d this planet So he just actually did a second release on may eighth For like a bunch of stuff. I haven't gotten through it. And all of the like images and video it's, you know, What the fuck is the thingt knowhing we need to talk about right away because people have been like, there's already been a disclosure day and like no one cared. And I'm like, well, the images are basically just like some blobs where they're like, I don't know, these blobs were weird. It's so weird how people have not cared Because there's nothing to look at. I know, but still Weird phenomena. It's why And the same as we aliens crashed. Yeah. We took the aliens who were alive to a room and tortured them stole their spaceships to make technology make cell phones and. Sorry we didn't tell anyone. We used it like versus like, yeah, a plane was flying in the air and it's all blob and the blob was weird. Yeah. And the blob kind of moved in a weird way And we do have a video of that if you'd like to it We' just start of currently. This is why I think the ending of this movie has to go as hard as it does because it needs to be like what if all networks were co opted by fifteen minutes? of just decades of footage You know, so much shit. of it looks like little guys in little alien costumes. There' like the moment in the film where you start to see and we're getting into spoilers and all this, but there was the moment in the film where you start to see The aliens for the first time. I forget what the first image is. You've seen it more recently than us Mur. The first image is for like the torture It's the torture sequence. I startedp right, right? It's Josha' Connor showing Eve Houston on the laptop, right Yeah. And I started pumping my fist and I was like, so he's just fucking doing it He's just putting a gray Almond eyed Right likeike a classan aliens alien. We imp Yeah. he's not overthinking this at all. Aliens are looking like everyone's default cultural cartoon alien and he's just rendering them realistically and it's like, yeah, you know, aliens. Alienware's back to school event is the perfect time to score top gaming gear with incredible features and Intel core processors to go beyond performance. Lord knows, I'm stressed about returning to school. 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There were moments of it where I was like really emotionally affected and like very enraptured. And there were other moments where a like nurse asks Emily Blunt, didid the trauma that happened in your childhood, did you ever seek help for that Or like the last, you know, fifteen minutes of the movie. The last fifteen minutes, I was on the edge of my seat. I mean, I this is the thing. We saw it with a bunch of people, you know the great the king the King of TikTok himself I was sitting next to Rce.. Alan Smithy was there. A lot of our critic friends, Esther and her soon to be husband, Bob So we were all talking after the movie. and it was one of these things where like I really think this boils down to the last fifteen minutes. Either you're one hundred percent on board and that wins you over. or you push back on it a little bit because it's Spielberg going full Spielberg. it's him going hard, not in spectacle, but in his emotionality in his worldview. And we'll get into it, but I just want to say of religious stuff the end Yeah and the and the The nuns. None being like are also God's children. I was like, B! I that stink. I loved that part And I usually That's usually a thing I bristle out in movies because I'm a dirty leftist coastal elite heven. But like like that's a thing on Tamalan movies where they get too spiritual and I'm like, this stopped being my language. I just this is not an in for me. I feel like I'm being recruited In this life I bought it as a storytelling thing It didn't feel like being like it was being pushed on me. They also got me like When Elizabeth Marvel is like she's so good. In Genesis, the line is, you know God's greatest creation on earth. Yes I'm like in the theater, I'm going like, o shit. L I never thought about. It was right there in the text. Oh fuck. God was writing about aliens. God was like, fucking aliens. That's fucking crazy That's what God was like I think the movie like religion is supposed to do, historically it has not, but it's supposed to make you love your fellow human and have respect for humanity and other people to like believe that there there is some sort of higher power out there that is governing all of us and inging us together. I think it's like the aliens in this film are used as a device as a this is now the thing that is bringing everyone together. And I love that unity. That's totally true. I think there's also just kind of like He's running at the idea of like The answer to weird shit isn't aliens or God you know, it can be both You know what I mean? It's sort of like, they don't have to be mutually exclusive. Like We could find out that I mean, that sure that right, the aliens exist on an earth And that doesn't mean like you have to abandon your belief system or like the way you think the world was ordered or whatever like that. like you know, God can fit into that, however you. I think this movie's God can fit into a lot of stuff. In my reading, this movie is about two things primarily. So Marie, what you were saying about like what religion in theory serves to do, right I think even beyond that, it serves to give us a language, a shared language of understanding how to be alive, right? That is the basic underlying purpose of any organized religion is a set of codes and ethics and morals and values through which to understand human existence. That gets distorted and weaponized in a million different ways, which is why I get really uneasy with religion and when movies feel like they're pushing religious text on me. I don't think this film is pushing a theological reading of the universe. I think it is using characters with theology to explore what it's actually saying, which to me is two things, right? There's a kind of personal story in this of what Spielberg's going through in his life. and then there's a sort of larger, this is what Stehven wants to say about the current state of the world personersonal story is Spielberg has always said that he doesn't like therapy or that rather, he went to one therapy session didn't find it useful, and that for him working through his issues through his movies is always what felt productive to him. And that's why you got these movies where people went like, huh, Steven Spielberg still seems really hung up about this divorce thing because it was basically men will become the most successful director in the history of Hollywood to avoid going to therapy All this time, he's avoiding making the movie about the real thing, which is the Fableman's. He gets that out of his system. He makes the movie where everyone who works on that is like he was crying on set all the time. It was a really difficult process. He exercised something from his system and he's promoting that movie and he's like, I actually don't know what I make next. To a certain degree, I've been avoiding making this movie my whole career, and I don't know what I have to say. And this is a movie about two people processing trauma It is a movie about two characters who end up being the ones who can Sure Create a catharsis people at large through reckoning with their own trauma and their own history, things that they have pointedly just been saying, like, I don't wan to fucking think about that shit anymore. I don't need that. I'm fine. I'm functional That's thing one. Th two in this movie is Spiberg talks a lot about having his existential crisis during the pandemic as many of us did What do I fucking do now I've just been work, work, work, work, work. and now I'm slowed down. I can't make movies. If I only make one movie again, what is it? What's the one movie I have to make? fablemenss, but also really reckoning with the world. And He said he would leave his home and just drive around for hours because he didn't know what to do with himself. And I think what this movie's commenting on is We are living in obviously a very fractured world in which people live in alternate realities and it is very impossible to get any agreement on anything. Religion is one of these things that's supposed to unify people. It has only push people further apart It has only made things more violent And We went through this collective trauma of this horrible global pandemic that affected literally everyone on the planet to some ree And it fractured us even further And I think he's creating a simulation of is there anything that could happen? a form of communication that actually unified all of humanity for a minute. And I think this movie builds to a note of and what happens now? The last word of this movie, I believe is listening of. And it's sort of like the next step is, what do we say now that we have everyone's attention? Because for one brief moment for fifteen minutes collectively gotten everyone onto the exact same page. There is now a reality that has just adjusted that we all have to understand. And I think it's basically saying there's now something new that's like replacing religion, Not that the aliens will become their own religion, but that part of it is that the Elizabeth Marvel character is someone who's not fighting this, is saying like this doesn't negate my worldview because my worldiew is less about the dogmatic text here than it is about the ideas of what we're trying to get at, which is a unification of empathy which this movie is about like, is there any fucking way that empathy could win again? Right? Is there C we fucking way that we could all just get on the same page about have sort of fantasy from a lot of movies of like if we learned about you know, extraterrestrials would that somehow unite us? Because I think Spielberg is a sort of I mean, is he religious? Is he spiritual? He talks about this L he spirual He's also not Catholic. He is. He was raised, you know a little more religious than he was at heays he kind of reconnected with it. And you know, like there's a lot of spiritual in his movie And kind of like, how do we reconcile you know, spirituality with, you know, science and modernity and right? you know,s it's the dynamic of his parents, you know, a program musician and the artist. And there's that family what in the Josh O'Conn. I mean, truly, it's one of thems it's a communicator and a mathematician in this movie, right And it's as he's confronting or thinking about what you're talking about of like triumph, and how could this, you know go over today? and picking He whatever, DOD subcontract or whatever Josh O'Connor is basically someone who got sucked into the deep state because he's good at math. because he was a hacker and it was the one way he was going to get his prison sentence. H the planet, obviously, we'll agree. Yeah. And then and then she's what is she? She's a weather girl. She's a you know, local media. Yeahes, she's a meteorologist, of course, But you know, like she's a, you know, she's a media figure. She's a TV person. It's almost old fashioned at this point. but like I don't need Spielberg making a movie about like an influencer anyway. Like you know what I mean? Like I fine with him al lighting on like she's this kind of mainstream TV. We're going right to the end in certain ways, but I think one of those moves thats movie makes that is so smart and is a move indicative of a Spielberg level of confidence and intelligence is that she breaks the story. And very quickly, it gets transferred over to the actual like national network news Yeah, that was something and I'm sorry, a lot of my issues with this movie were like Yes, I am aware that I am watching a movie about aliens. So already there's a level of suspension of disbelief there were other things where I was just like, you know, like kind of squinting and screaming like something doesn't pass the smell test like I haven't watched local news in years. Same. I can't say I watch a lot of local news. Sure. Do you like The news people in Kansas City report on what's going on in North Korea. I mean, if nuclear war was about to break out possibly Yeah, I would think so They don't just hand it over to the national the national No, I mean, they're they're competitive. I think it's both. And I think I think this movie, you know, it's this other fascinating thing that here for years and it's been more and more in secret lately that like Steven Spielberg is obsessed with SNL and attends most tapings of SNL and now has moved to New York. He is a New York resident. That was my first thought of why heewk season He was like, I can't keep doing the like weekly flight. I would hear that from people that he would fly in just and he'd sit behind the monitor with People who like work in SNLar like Ppielberg's just always It means he said like the words doja cat or whatever, right? You know what I mean? Like if he's having to watch like current SNL. Also, why isn't he hosting? He's been like, I love, you know, Anita or whoever is like you know. Steve as Domingo's dad or some shit? Didn't Cole didnid't Domingo host SNL this year He didn't N and, didn't he? Oh, Coman Domingo. I me Domingo. Oho, the great character of Domingo. Yes. wait Did they address that on the C commonomingo epis they didn't Common Domingo was great in that episode. I believe it. You know C commommon Domingo was a cast member of the bigig gay skest show on logo I did not I course I know every single thing about the big g. No, I didn't know. Homming Domingo is likeical player. I didn't know he had a comedy background. Every kind of experience you could possibly have at. And it took him like forty years to hit as one of our undeniable guys. I think McKinnon I love him. Jes McKinnon. Yes. I love him in this fil. I think he's great in this film. He's great. O course he's in Linoln I'm trying to think if he's's a small part in that.s like he's like the first thing you see in L. Yes. Is also is it David Oyolo too? He's also in that weing battle. I don't think he's worked with Spielberg since then. I don't think so. And since then he's been nominated twice for Best Actor Yes. He wantce, I think You know I think he kind of snuck in there. He's a great actor. The other one wildly deserving. Very good sing perform's incredible in S sning. Very good in sinking. I did not love Rusted I didn't either. That felt like a it felt like a kind of youated against the visitor. Yeah. Yeah. kindind of a, you know, better performance but Colin Furth and a single manan back in day where it's like You know what? you've been around for a long time. You' great actor here's a nom and then the next year they're like, oh, you were even better in this thing. Yeah here you go. C firstth was the opposite arguably But he's good in both of those films. I think Single Man's a silly movie. I think it's a silly movie. I think it's incredible performance. He's good. I like that movie a lot. so fucking bad. Oh my Godd C forward He's got new one comes. Yes He does,. Very much looking forward to what about like a guy who wears pants or something Cing back' looking usad rememember he was gonna make the whale with James Cordon? Do remember that? Yes. Yep, Yp.. He had the rights option you went intervened on that one. Y. So honestly, I'ind full disclosure know. I might have preferred that s You know what, I'll see it I'll see you. I'll evalally right. Could it be better? Can I ask? please? What do you think that would look like Wait, canan you do it towards me so I can cture Trying to do like a sort of a cord and face Uh, his new movie It is called Cry for to Heaven. Oh, and it's an adaptation of an Anne Rice book. Great U So I imagine it'll be rather sumptuous. Amazing. How of fun Nicholos hold. Mm Aron Taylor Johnson so so far former collaborators. I' like these kind of guys. Adele O! Okaykay Karen Hines. Okay.ay. George McKay, I always love. Yes. Mark Strong.. Okay. Colin Fir. Colin first. Yeah, I'm taking the stick Pla Betany Our guy Eter Schafer Sir. Love her. Julianne Moore. lot of these guys. Yeah. love that. I this is interesting. I didn't know that you were anti Tom Ford, David. Ick. Dangerous like that is because maybe you're not gay enough U I don't think that's true. I'm gonna be honest with you. I really don't think that's the problem here. I'm pretty I'm gonna pretty sure that's I't like his movie. I'm gonna throw out a pretentious assole. I'm gonna throw out a counter argument. Here's my countertake. His movies are not not bad enough Yeah. I mean I Both of his movies they look pretty good and I kind of respect that about them, but they're pretty stupid. Single Man is like Firth kind of really convinces you it's a good movie. And then when you kind of lay out the plot, you're like, this was little s so much just the first performance. it gets a lot further. Nocturnal Animals truly was one not dangerous anals. Like one of those things where I'm like so he took a script written by an eleven year old, right? And then he cast like really good actors and you know, got like, you know, got it looking really slick and fancy. But like that is a really, really silly movevie. bring this up. there are always nocturnal animal defenders who get mad at me. But when I think I saw that movie with Joe Reid, reading Ray and Joe, and when I realized, oh, the structure of this movie is just going to be Amy Adams reads a chapter of a manuscript something while wearing a cocktail dress and then it cuts to her going like, Wh. She makes a phone call, she gets voicemail. She's like, Hey I read this crazy chapter I just want to talk to you anyway callall me back Reading glasses back on. time for another chapter. Sounds great. We love we love women who read. That's true. We do support. just to get us a little bit back on the rails here. I want to talk about was giving the thumbs up.osure. Can I throw out a take and I want to get your read on it? I'm currently holding the photo of Mike Myers naked and Austin powered. Loo pretty cut actually. Looking pretty cut. Deep V. And we're getting back on track. We are getting back on track. Yeah, this is aboutur Day. My first thought When I see Colin Furth in Disclosure Day with the beard, with the turtleneck. I'm like, is this kind of the hottest he's ever been on T? It's a good look G go with no. because I think Col Ferll's been very handful. first, first, first I think Colin Furth's been very handsome in a lot of movies. I think he's very handsome. And I guess we can't count pride and prejudice ' that's not a movie N Okay, mayaybe not ever, but like. It's a great look. But of late. Of late. Well, I was honestly kind of thinking like, where's Furth been? Because he's obviously very good in this movie because he's this kind of shit. This is an installment of Fur thingsings Fur. Tust me. And I was just and I was like, I know if I look it up It's not like there'll be gaps. Like I'm sure he works consistently and I'm sure there's some weird TV and stuff. I was going say there is some weird TV in there. And like Forgive me for forgetting about Empire of lightight, you know, which was only a couple years ago. And like You know, he does a lot of British shit that barely makes it over here like movies called like Mothering Sunday or you know, where you're kind of like, well, I assume that was fine. It's a real title, just to people know. That's not a thing that David made up love of Jubies. But I feel like we've not been, you know, using our furth well enough like it's a great take I mean, just looking here, it's like God, yeah. I mean, like Kingsman two, he is, you know, kind of the lead. But then you're like he's in five movies in twenty eighteen, The happappy Pince in which he played Oscar Wilde's friend That's Rupert Eveward Oscar Wild.er The mercy where he's on a boat That was directed by James Marsh, who did Theory of E Yeah Mommy, here we go again, obviously, you know, smaller smaller part. have have you guys seen Rylan Yeah, Rylan's. Yeah, Rylan's good. He has a cameameo and Ry as a tortilla chef at a Mexican restaurant called Love Guacally. They crater they credit him, crater him. They credit him as burrito maker. Yes It's very funn The movie's really cute if you want to see a picture of him in it. But like Mary Popins returns, he's the villain that's kind of thanklose. nineteen seventeen's like an extended cameo. I mean, this is kind of a better version of his Mary Poppins thing. Yeah off kind of like, can you just come in and kind of go like, well, I don't know about that. playay again know It's just very specifically. It's the amount of gray in his hair. Operation Minceced Meat was good fun Yeah, That one's good fun. But they basically hot in it. Oh no, no, I was This is what I'm talking about. when we's not on I mean, wait wait wait, he's not on hot. He looks he looks lovely. Is he hun? the turtleneck Beautiful line It's f of his shoulder. in the last Bridrooming. No, I think it's a great look. The last Bridget Jones was he a ghost? ghost. He's dead. He gets eaten by Biler If you're not considering it He fell inside away. Do you think he's hot in fever pitch way back when a movie that was very formative for me as a child? I think he looks pretty doofy. Yeah. He's got this sort of like puffy hair. Yeah. I mean, he dominant va there, but without the interesting bone structure Well, yeah, I was going to say be still my heart. I mean, Cessa. I mean, yes, we're boy. We're big Cessa fans. but again, he's got like striking features and the idea of him in fever pitch was kind of like Yeahah, he's a bit of a dork likeike he needs to clean up his e. like you know who's next to there in fever pitch. Mark Strum. Yeah the great from the way back. If you discount what are basically cameos, Rylane He's credited for Barbie where they reuse footage. There's a documentary he narrated and Bridgget Jones. He doesn't make a movie in between Empire of Light and Disclosure Day. What he does do in that time TV shows. The staircase I forgot about. Antonio Como. I liked it. I thought he was good in it. neverever watched it obsessed with the documentary He did something called Lockerby a seearch for trut That was a British. You know, Lockerby is a very famous British, you know, a plane was blown up over Scotland. Okay. Over the town of Lockerby. And then this is really important. It's big' about to say. pllays Mcroft's employer Bucphilusphilus, I believe. Bphalus Hodge in Young Sherlock, a guy Richie Amazon Prime original series that has no connection to the Guy Richie Sherlock Holmes franchise Guy Richie has two different Sherlock homes. Yes, in which there's boxing in both, I think. And Hero finds Tiffan played Uh for young Sherlock. I thought you were going to say that he shows up in Watson No Watson, unfortunately Won. He's placays his boss. Yeah Watson has been canceled. It's been axed, but now young Sherlock is here to pick up Anden fucking doctor who's been axed like I'm like I't Priton's got it yet. I I just were like, oh, we're just not bringing back and Shoty got one and we're gonna to start over Well back to the starting board. It's back to even right, you know, the last episode ended with him turning into Billy Piper. And then when everyone asks like, oh, so what's the plan there? they're like, Yeahah, we don't know. We just kind of film that and figured out figure that out later. Next year like see the next doctor and they're like, Maybe we maybe it's possible. And Busll T.DVs was supposed to stay on for many more years. one hundred percent. And the fan backlash to that moment was so intense. They also clearly just didn't have any. And then of course, right. The lack of a plan was so apparent. And finally BBC was just like, I think we're going to just like blanklate this. doctor who's sort of out to pasture right now? and if someone's got a pitch, let us know. Can we talk about the most important thing here? Yeah. Are we going to get back to disclosure today? Is this Sly Blunt's best performance ever U ooh. ever eversible. It's conversation.ery good in the film. she's phenomenal. would I immediately was like, okay, this is Edge of tomorrow level. It's I mean, that's the conversation for me, it's like I have in my summer of life. the other one. Th the A apparently she's quite Amazing in but I haven't seen it so she's obviously like unbelievably good in Devil Wars Prda, but I'm giving those other three movies the advantage because she has more screen time She uh For me it's all about pain hustlers No, I don't know. She totally blew me away. like She's really, really. I the movie. got A little bit of a we take her for granted mom. It is. I have to address the elephant in the room, which is she's one of those actors who comes up a lot when you're talking about how Everyone looks like a member of the Durll family now? Yeah lotots of cosmetic procedures have made Doors Specifically actresses struggle to emote. They are less expressive. Right. They' have his more and more leading men these days. That's why I was like, you know what? It' having a gozling, you know. Fucking Rosie O'Donnell when she was like everyone my facelift. I'm like, Yeahah a good facelift. at the timeable. Yeah. haven't seen her. She's looking good. She's looking great. She looks great Iress I think one, it works for the character. I agree. I that she is a meteorologist. She is someone on television. Yeah. When I saw It really fits the kind of like local news famous got. There is something so like affecting having someone who looks kind of plasticy Yes end up being the most empathetices connector. And that you see her face ultimately her per emotions transferred to her muscles break through all of the work. scene in this movie that took my breath away and that is after a pretty crazy action set piece where they are in a car where Emily Blnt and Josha'Connor in a car chase. and then the car ends up hitting the side of a train and then they get pulled along in the train and then another train is coming in the opposite direction and they have to like they have to survive and they end up like climbing inside a train car at the last minute and it is a train car full of pianos being delivered? Yes. And she has a panic attack. It's really good. It was crazy to see a character have a really understandable human reaction to surviving an action set piece You never G that. And as she's as Josh O'Connor is like helping her breathe and she's like, I can't feel my hands, I can't feel my hands. He's rubbing her hands against piano wires. Right. I was like I was like on the edge of my seat when I'm like, I've had panic attacks. too. many times and I'm like, this is the most accurate It's a really hard thing to perform and not look hammy as hell It's hard to not make it just feel like a ton of fucking business What I also liked about that scene before is just like, The first minute of it, you're like, okay, what's happening now? Like you have that thought like, Well, she's magic power. Right. Like what fucking another communicationability. And then you sort of start to settle down with Josh you know, as the viewer and you're kind of like, no, no, right. She's just having a human reaction, right? as Marie said. It also helps that the guy he hired to play the mathematician is naturally one of the most empathetic actors alive is like the most sensitive bedside manner because doing that Spielberg thing of like He's the co lead, but he's very much like I am very happily the second lead kind of the off ball. like, you know, right the emotional support character Because it starts with him and the actions' invested in him. he stole the data He's on the.'s then like, Oh, he's the hero. And then as Emily Blunt's story unfolds, you're like, oh, she's kind of right. He's the kind's the alpha here. R should we start should we st start to talk about the plot. Yeah. So an AW wrestler kicks in the camera. We see Josh O'Conor' at a match. He's with a backpack. He's trying to negotiate a handoff, but he's surrounded by government agents Colin Firth does show up here or is it all his underlings? Colin Firth's there. He's there there. He shows up in like theey. Right. Eve Houston, who, if you don't know, is Bono's daughter. She sure is. Oh okay. I told, Ben, but you didn't listen to whenever I talk about you, too, this is what you hear about. Iember he You know what's funny? Yeah. You know what's funny Ben is she actually, she's biologically Bono's daughter, but she wasn't conceived in the traditional sense. One day she just showed up on an iPod That's a pretty good joob's a really, very good j. I started thinking about it and I was like, I'd better not trip over this wording because I'm sitting on a fucking hot hand S I got a royal flush. I just gotta slap this thing down on the table. You know, she's been acting for a while. She's phenomenal in the neick, whichich was I think most people's first her herge of S spy, she's worked with Spielberg before. She's one of the daughters be She's the one who's got the boyfriend. She's recently well, she was on Bad Sisters on Apple TV. She was in Flora and Sun, which is half saw that it her in that. She's great in it. It's half a good movie. All the parts with Joseph Gordon Levitt and it made me want to throw something at my screen. which Mie, you don't want to hear me play music? I just w to share my music with her Mari like t hererm. I wrote a song And why to have a conversation about AI? What did I like her? Wow, your Joko L is really good. Yeah, it's my one good impression. I don't really remember her and Jay Kelly. She plays the woman, the actress a farewell The flashback. She's the one they fought over. Yeah. She's the one who left Ca. She's could't it. She's got that one big sce. Yeah, I think she's good act. She's definitely like a m of the daughters, right I think it's implied that she's the mother of the daughter. or at least one of them. I think they' re watch Jake K. I like Jake K guy. Yeah, he's a good movie. Jake K. remember who? That's movie that bring back. What did the Afr is like J Kelly too. Y, schedule. It's not perfect film but I think that film's a lot darker and meaner than people think it is. one hundred percent, the movie ends with him crying saying But I enjoyed it. Okay. so back back to disclosure. Eve Houstson plays Jhane, the girlfriend of Daniel Ped by Josh O'Connor. And she has been held hostage to use as a bargaining chip. Yes because he's stolen some He's got an alien stick Right? He's stol We don't know alien st. We don't know what any at this point in the movie we don't know what the hell's going on whver that he's got a sound. He's got taking a with bare hands. He's gott to use a glove. They all go, you don't know how to operate that thing R And he tries to do this hando and get her back to safety and she basically is like I just had to fucking survive being kidnapped because of you. I'm not leaving your fucking side. It is such a great Spielberg. kind of set up to be like Here's a relationship that's at a bit of a crux point of is this about to get really serious or not? And now they're being tested in like a world altering event. and they're trying to use this event to establish better lines of communication, right? Like it's basically a young couple being like Are we really gonna to make this work or not? They also, you realize that they don't really know anything about each other? Totally. So she did not know that he was She doesn't know why any of this is happening. She also didn't know that he was previously in jail. Didn't know that She knew we had a mysterious government job. He didn't know that she was a noviciate. so she had spent the time to potentially become a nun What would you think if You're dating someone and they drop that info. Like I actually almost none I almost went none. Almost went full none. I think it's kind of hot I think it depends on like what's your relationship to all of that today. true. Would be my first question. But I think you know it's like, oh, most people who I know like are the whole like, oh, I lost the calling thing. I'm like, M, you wanted to have sex He says we've had sex. It it's a brutal They're never going to overcome that in the marketing, right The vouastity thing It's a horrible sell. Yeah sure. Well, I mean, but like, I mean, I really liked when Regina Hall Regina Hall? Yes was on, u Amy Polll's podcast and she talked about how she almost became a nun. Regina Hall almost became a nun. I really recommend it. It's really funny amazing. And she talks about how like a lot of convs, not every convent but a lot of convents They guard against the like, we're not your backup So if you're like thirty eight, they sniff you out of like, hey, just becausecause you're not happy with like however things have gone, you don't get to just like be a nun now. likeike, you know, just kind of be like, well, I want to just live with you guys and who cares about dating or like, you know, wor the job or whatever. It's kind of like a saving Silverman situation. that helps translate, you know, where the nuns can kind of sniff out Oh you're not, you're avoiding something by. And then at one point regreius like And some of them like if you've had more than three sexual partners, which I don't know about you, Amy But Amy's like, Ohh it's very funny There's that moment where Emy Pollar goes, what was it like working with Leonardo DiCaprio? And she like scratches her eyelland and she goes, you know, the problem is he's just very green Yeah I did see that he does't have a lot of experience. Speaking of Regina Hall and Leonardo DiCaprio, I was thinking about one battle after another a lot during this showvie because beond the run nature. Beyond the run nature, the alien sticks kind of look like the device the music devices. there's a lot of they hide out with nuns. there's a lot of like Dodge like ches This is true. And so I was like, oh, okay. It's cool. movie I know why Spielberg liked one battle so much. This movie has like four or five kind of classical pieces that are like beautifully spielberg. It's got some proper, you know, right, like blockbuster stuff. But they're not super long in a way where we've gotten so used to a creep of if a sequence starts it's got to be like twenty minutes. twenty. Yeah truly And I kept thinking like, I know your big takeaway, David was like, it's so tender. I was surprised by how tender it was. I think was the word you use.nder Tnder ass movie. And I was just like, it's really like classical It feels like really kind of like simple and focused in its own weird way down to like Oh, they're trying to like cross. this train comes. it's clipping them. The train is being the car is being dragged by the train and you're like, This is fun. Is it going to be fifteen minutes? And you're like, no, it's it's pretty brief it Yeah they handle it in a way that regular people Their absolute adrenaline limit might be able to handle it. and then they're really freaked out after. There's They're not like, who, that was crazy. anyyway, you know, like A car turns invisible and you're seeing the effects of water and st. I really like I like that. But I was slow fifty. So is you gonna do fifteen minutes of invisible car chase now? you're like, No, we're three. L another day did I know dayled that. It's so funny to the physical comedy of it where they keep running into the invisible I really enjoyed that guy peeing into the window. Oh, I loved it. But that's Spielberg Tonal mananagement. Can I tell you please? justust derailing the pod here, but I just want to tell you why. The four winners of this year's honorary Oscars. Oh. wereere they just announced Just announced. Okay. Did Harrison Ford get it? No. C you give us the canan you give us the category profession? first Okay, she just guessed one. Wow. Glenn finally giv. They're giving up It's a little rude to Glenn. It's actually a little rude to showow in November. It be the not thing anyone has ever done to her. She's not gonna to win a competitive Oscar, or she will in the classic like, well now that we gave you an honorary, then Paul Newman. I threwow out to Marie, is there any chance that there's a stealth candidate in With sunrise on the reaping Yeah. And I was like, I don't think she's probably in it enough. And my whole thing is like she was really good in the fucking wake up dead man you know, they didn't even try And it's kind of like All right, so Glen closes this one. Okay. another is a producing team much Is it Kennedy Marshall? No, you probably won't get Indie prodroducers. Lgendary Indie prodducers. Christ Vashon. There you go. Oh And Pam. Pam. Oh, that's awesome. Oh, that makes me so happy. Another is a very, very esteemed workaholic director who's still working, even though he's old, and he's a bit of a grump And he has no competitive Oscar ilar similar to Glen Close.ot a lot of nomination. I believe he doesn't an oscar y Y. Ridy Scott Ridley Scott. There. And I'm sure his speech will be sunshiny. Well, the problem is they're gonna to have Grover present the award to him and get his order wrong David's doing the face. The fourth, I think might excite you, Giffin Newman, because it's an animator. It's an animator. an animator He makes the cartoons. Fature films Stan Bleuth Dom Bloh.'s what medium of animation is this person? He worked at Disney for very many years and he's worked at Hanna Barbera and Is it Glen Keen? Pixar noope He's also a pioneer in his field An African American animator Oh, oh, it's Floyd Norman. Floyd Norman. A leegend. ninety years old. A leegend. Wored on Toy Story two. Yes, but also worked on L. workored in sleeping Beauty or whatever. He's a bit of a forest gump in animation. That's a very cool. That's a very c It's a good four Yeah or five Marie just had a really funny reaction, which is I pulled the name Floyd Norman and she looked stunned that I could know a name of someone that obscure. And then I saw her face settle into like, if he doesn't know that, then who is he?act kind was wor for That was the arc. You were like, how did you pull that? Well, right, you're fucking you That's the shit in your brain. I' really excited to learn about this guy. Yeah, he's a really cool guy I think he's written a book He might have been the first African American animator to do something you know along those les was sleep. He's worked ons he's he's been everywhere But they also like Alvin and the Chipmunks in the eighties and robot chicken. That's so fucking cool. That cool. Yeah, it was like when they when Pixar got big enough that they needed to hire more animators, it was such a big deal that it was like, we can get Floyd Norman And I think he worked on like two or three at that point in time iscl. Disclosure day. Okay. So happens in Eve. Yes and. And then we gott to talk about our introduction to Emily Blunt. That's where it's kind of taking us. So they escape and they hide out in a convent. We now jump over to meeting Emily Blunt. So her and her boyfriend played by Wyatt Russell. David's boyfriend U Wait he has to v. I mean, I do love you guys him. Yeah, he's great. He's great They're hanging out in their cool loft in Kansas City, Missouri. Yeah. And she is I a Royal season ticket holder Mm, that sounds like it would make the movie a lot more. I I'm gonna say you were this character and you had Have anyone here ever been to Kansas? No, never been to Kansas. Nor I' ever been to Kansas city of Bry. My aunta and uncle Ken moved out there for a bit and I went to visit them as a child. A lot of fun like art museums and stuff for kids there. Yeah. kindind of like an underrated art city I'd like to go. I want to go to Kaufmin Stadium before it closes. I want to get some of that BBQ. I think they got a big old zoo and aquarium. like I think they got some cool. Oh, that's right because they have their own bigoo Yeah whichich is it It's a rub. Yeah B less saucy based. Yeah. friend friend of the show past and future guest, Heidy Garden. has a she tense but invests a lot into the community and has a lot of cool projects in particular coming up Shout out to Kansas. Yeah But Emily blank. Why didn't you ask him? he's the barbecue guy. Right. Oh. Bing that in case. How did you not That's how I set up What's your school? What's my school? Low and slow David. Yes. you got any big summer plans? If you're traveling, you got late nights, packed weekends, zero structure, any of those Keeping AG one in your routine helps you stay Consistent. That's a loaded word right there. consonsistent.. When everything else gets and here's another loaded word, unpredictable. Oh, I don't want that and I know you don't either. Look, it's a daily health drink with a mult vitamin Pree N pro biotics. Yep, suuper foods and antioxidants. all stir linep. One scoop, eight ounces of water. You just shake it. There you go. That's it. You drink it. It takes thirty seconds. 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Join the Nordy Club to unlock exclusive discounts, shop new arrivals first, and more. Plus, buy online and pick up at your favorite rack store for free Great brands, great prices. That's why you rack bl. She is a meteorologist. She wants to be a serious news reporter. She's trying to get that break. I like this couple. Yeah, he seems to be whyyatt Russell seems to be like a little laid back. Backishing younger dude She witnesses a Curney lands on their open window, comomes in the room Yeah. and then all of a sudden she starts speaking in Russian This scene a It's a really cool scene. Our buddy Sron Fantasy was talking on bigig picture about the endnd of Oak Street coming out. Yeah, the David Robert Mitch know that looks good. I think it looks awesome. And he was talking about optimism for that movie down. And he put his finger on a thing that I I've felt for a long time and I've never been able to verbalize, but like he's like My single favorite thing in the movies is the best feeling I can have is that sort of extended twwilight zone thing of where is this going? Like pieces are being laid out and I don't understand how they fit together. And even if a movie sticks the landing and satisfies me with the answers, He was like, there's no feeling I like more than being in the middle of a movie like that. Totally. And this movie is so good at doing this shit. We're like, why is suddenly everyone reacting really weird to this bird. The movie gets really quiet. The John Williams score in this film is excellent. Yeah Yeah. barely kicks in until the second hour. But it is a very good score. The first hour is kind of silent. You know, after You know, like his post score is so minimal, rightight? And it's sort of like and Didn't he not do obviously Westide story like He did Dial of Destiny, which thats scor as I've said, fucking Rllack rocks. Yeah, But that wasn't for Spielman And I'm like, didid he do? I mean he hiss Fabelman's score I just kind of remember being like lovely. I think it's really lovely. But not like I don't like I can't summon any themes from it or like, you know, not like sticy in my head. And I was like, I wonder if he's just kind of moved to, you know, Right He does softer, quieter stuff. Yeah This requires a little more felt felt like the I felt jazz slash A tonal Yeah sort of stuff coming which totally John always appreciated about about him. But this moment with the Cardinal landing, you could imagine a version of it in which the William score starts swelling already and the camera pushes it face of wonder. inststead everything iss just kind of slow and eerie and quiet And then this moment of her speaking Russian goes on way longer than you'd think They also like Okay, so to talk a little bit about the trailers for this movie, they reveal that she does the speaking in a weird alien diaogue. That was the first trailer which was otherwise pretty vague but was built around the set piece of. D I that might have been the only trailer I saw. Did they show her speaking other languages? No Like that to me, I was like, o Totally And, you know, that that the scene of her speaking in the alien language while live on air Recalls so many videos that tend to go viral now of like local newscaster has strokes. Yeah that are always so an oddly. Right. Yes. like We found there's an odd And it's like it's not even so much that you're watching someone suffer, but it's kind of like, watch reality break. Yes, right? Like watch everything just be normal and then not normal. you know, like yes. I think it has to be inspired by that. and I even wonder if that was the starting point for this character being a broadcaster. But the things that are so strange about those moments is not just that reality is breaking, but it's people who are so trained and polished and composed and you see their survival instincts kicking in where they're still kind of like carrying themsel correctly, but what they're saying no longer makes sense And so we know that moment's coming because it's in the trailer. She starts speaking in Russian, which is this other thing you hear that sometimes people have these bizarre medical side effects where they wake up and they're fluent in another language or they start speaking tongues or whatever it is. And the scene's just very odd She gets in her car to drive to work. She's running behind, a cop pulls her over and then she does this fucking emotional reading of him 're you're trying to arrest me because you got in a fight with her and she knows every specific detail. And for a second, you're like Is this this character's sort of like party trick that she's learned how to read people and she doesn't know' sort of a mentalist thing.. Right. But she's getting cloaking the off Yes And instead, she like is shaken by it. What just came out of me. And then she goes into her workplace and starts the broadcast. first she starts speaking to someone Kore Right, right, right. There's there's a Korean war that's we're on the brink of and they have a Korean guest speaking as an expert and they're having trouble with the translator, and she jumps in and like clarifies everything. And everyone's like, since, what do you know Korean? She', What you tal about? I don' know Korean. All this is fascinating where you're like, you're watching Emily Blunt pivot so fast to do things hyper competently and then immediately have no memory of what she just did or understanding of how it came off.s She's hearing it as English. Yes, right. She doesn't know. Yeah, she's not forgetting. It's similar to later when Josh O'Connor's like, I know what she said. when's like, no one knows what shes said. They've been given the codeax. The way that information is revealed in the movies, I think is really cool. because like we don't learn that Josh O'Connor is someone who is also had an alien encounter until further in the film, we don't learn that he was able to understand her alien language on the TV broadcast until a little later. And we also the way that they reveal that the stuff I think I assumed that Emily Blunt always had this power especially when she's like talking to The police officer. But then to realize that it just g I think it the cardinal actor Yeah totally. The cinaling. Yeah. I mean I had really avoided any advertising for this movie. I didn't watch the full trailer, but I'd obviously seen the teaser a couple times. The full trailer also literally dropped while we were in the screening and I watched it afterwards. And I was like, there are ten things in this trailer that I never would have put in the marketing in a way that bummed me out. Yeah. I mean the early stuff was vague. You're trying to get people in. I get it. And that early trailer was heavy on the animal stuff. almost to the point of abstraction where you're just kind of like, is this movie about? I mean, I get that it's aliens or something, but like is deal with animals being in league with aliens it's not just the animals. it's the shot of the home that looks like a Thomas Kincad tank. Yes. And everyone's like the fuck is this? L There were CGI complaints. Yeah. It makes sense in the context of the movie, the way the scene plays out, but it's somewhere around this concurrently we've set up Coolin Furth is the head of the agency. Everyone's gone into sort of crisis. W deck. W deck Nordex is in crisis mode because stuff's been stolen and people who work for it are missing. And in particular, Coleman Domingo Cman Do who's high up is missing. Here you go. And he's a guy on a headset. He is basically has the air of a stage manager. R And they're in a warehouse and they're making something. They're building a set around him and he's sort of talking to Josh O'Connor and saying, like, you know, follow the plan be okay Everything's going to be okay. I love this guy. It's going to be allright. You're just gonna make it happen. It' you'll know where to go. version to have his character be so like warm and chill versus like need you hear AAP Right, you know? You have to go. So often man on phone is like really like like kind of riling up the tension. and this every time he's like, it's okay. This is the first place I felt the manifestation of fifty years of Steven Spielberg studying SNL because like Heidi is one of the people who would tell me about him coming to visit. And I'd go like, so what does he do? And she said He just is obsessed with how the show gets made. He loves just watching it come together and the stuff you can't see unless you're in the studio during the commercial breaks, how calmly people construct a set out of nowhere Right? All these sets are like in slats that have to be rebuilt and dressed. in like ninety seconds. Obviously, it's been much covered over the years, but the way that SNom is made is crazy. Insane. And he loves the dance of that and he loves the hyper professionalism of that. And it certainly manifests in the final final sequence, which we'll get to. But everything about Hugo felt very this is like SN L AD You know, this is floor manager This is just watching the team just do everything very calmly and be like, it'll get done And like at this time, Hugo and Daniel are in contact with each other, but Emily Blunt is kind of on her own. You don't know how she's connected. And then so Youuo and his employees get Josh and Eve to a safe house, which is like a farmhouse. and then we learn what the stick the alien stick does. Sort of I feel like the impression is it actually probably does more stuff. Yes. This is just a thing and figured out. Yeah. but it seems to all the alien stuff seems to kind of amount to sort of an empathic power of like they can kind of see in your head or talkal to you in your head, right? This sort of classic gray big head thing of like, maybe they're telepathic, like right, you know? Yeah, it's psychic ability. Right. R. But that's what makes them more powerful than us is that they've cracked empathy. Maybe at a time where we've become more divided. And like the stick is maybe like an amplifier, like a radio antenna that just kind of like zaps your brain to a thousand. Yeah. Colin first will hold the stick And he'll look at a photo of someone. They call it diving. and then he can kind of present in their like personal space and talk to them, but no one else can see them. So it's kind of like, I guess it's just like theyre he's in their heads. They also make it clear that Colman Domingo was the main one who operated this, that it's like a high skill level thing. And Cleman Domingo probably you sort of get the ideas like is a more empathetic person and's probably better at it. He's in more empathetic, but also by wielding this, he has now learned more He has absorbed their feelings, their message has gotten through to him, and that's why he has basically become radicalized of we gott to open doors we got to let everyone know. So they're explaining the stick, but they're also setting up with the videos of really why They're forming this distance R which is that this private company has been torturing aliens Yes. And look The thing I think David Kepp and Spiberger are spart about is like, we're going do the classic conspiracy theory It's going to be the basics that even an audience member who doesn't care about this stuff might know justust to sort of lay out what we kind of learned. It's like, there's definitely was like a crash Aa fifty one definitely is a place where alien st is R Non brought fucking Jackie Gleese in there. Yeah R Nixon mayaybe brou Jackie Gleese in there to see an alien because he was drunk and was like want to see an alien. That like That's a conspiracy theory. Really? Yeah, totally. that Nixon would get drunk and be like get the alien box out. I want to look at it, you know, or whatever And that like there's a company or a subcontractor in the DOD that is basically men in black style move beyond governmental control by making money off of like patenting tech. ryike that's how they do it. The first thing So no one can even tell them what they', you know, what to do anymore. When I Googled Nixon Jackie Gleon UFO is a clip from The Joe Rogan experience. Good Tuan was very good in this movie, by the way And no one's really used him as an actor this well since Zookeeper, maybe? Is that? Yeah, he has he plays the villain. He's actually incredibly bad. It feels like he won a contest or lost a contest and was forced to be in the movie. When you look up what's called the disisclosure movement which is people who believe You know, this is government covering up ares I sent this to the big, you know, to the newews and deals thread.ure You know, this is the first guy pictard Wikipedia. And I believe Chris Ryan said this looks like a guy who runs a boutique physical media website out of his garage. And I think I said blood disisks d. shop app No, I think he looks more like a pawn stars kind of guy. Right, right. kindind of be like I can give you twenty two thousand. you know, like yeah, that Th things aren't mutually exclusive, Marie G G' buying pallets of discs from Europe and also he's doing some pawning on the side. And you know, and Sean and Chris or Seaan and Alex are we're like Oh yeah, that guy's like the star of the documentary of disclosure. of disclosure. It got very big on Amazon rightrior to. He's a guy who worked at the DOD and is basically like, well, I know people who knew things. Right. becausecause as much again as I was like, well, stuff has beenclosed like big hearing that Congress had, a couple of people testify where they're like, Well, someone I worked with told me that they saw an alien You know, there was never the compelling thing. It was more just hearsay kind of indirect testimony Nobody sat down and was like, I worked at the Department of Defense and my job was cover up aliens. and I'm going to admit an up an alien and it was chill as hell. And when I touched his skin, I got powers and I saw rainbows I saw new Ce or Riculi or whatever. I think another thing this movie is doing' like yes, this movie's playing in that pool.. And it's a bit of a pool where when you yeah, it's a Joe Rogananyy pool. It's a Joe R Rog loves that shit. Is there too much money at stake and then you have What feels very Spielbergy for some people might be a little too corny and I bought because I felt like they did just the right amount. the idea that This All of this behavior was justified by a sense of self preservation or defensiveness. that then has sort of justified perhaps and advanced interrogation techniques and such, but also there's so much money at stake that they're continuing to justify all of their reasoning. while also hiding behind this, it's for the good of the people. A persont, people are dumb panicky andic. Others would just kind of be like, okay I'd dap ' them and I'd say thanks God. I'd be like, o my God This is incredible. life is magical. Yeah. The universe is incredible. Just think of what it would take for me to believe it I'd either have to like so this is a big question. right? wouldould it work on you? I'd have to like meet an alien face to face. Sure. or it would have to be like a like legitimate press conference like Obama saying, we killed Osama But just not Trump. This someone else walking out Any of that happened during the Trump administration. I don't believe it. Heres Here's what it would take for me. Okay, go ahead I I have ever thought, LGBET, absolutely eating its snatch game Like he comes out like whailing flowers and pies A the Tony. Yeah. whereere would LGBEost the Tony. Right, you know, like I thought Pink did a great job. I didn't watch. I also it was one of those things where women in and I was like, whyy is Pink hosting that? And I was like, well, you know what? She's a bard entertainer. Y doing well.. Ben and I were seeing Zodiac with a friend of the show Leslie Hadlin. and we were hooting Heuren We were having a grand old. You think we will We will find the Zodiac killer or belieelvable evidence of aliens. Well, it was ourthly Allen and we all know this Those knives in his car were for a chicken he killed for dinner. Doesn't the DNA not match on the post Steen, what were you gonna say? So I think and correct me if I'm wrong, but right like the end of the movie, which will you know, we'll discuss things we're missing, but you know Yes, they show a bunch of clips and you could kind of explain away clips. But then the movie is ending with them pointing a camera at an alien who is then looking down the lens going, listen to me, I am an alien. I think that would really would start to move the needle a little. There's just so much footage that is ultimately That's the other thing. But then right I've already debated this with some people where they're like, oh, I don't think, you know, in this age of no one believes anything in AI in Trump And I'm like, right, but people believe that things are getting covered up. Like why would they not believe that it's like, hey, it's true? This is one of things You know what I mean? Yeah is like setting for himself as a challenge is What could you do that actually would grab everyone's attention? R and hold everyone together B a movie about a guy who snaps a twig to have a girl like One wish Willow. there Is there something happening where Emily Blunt is using her like her hers h empathy to then make everyone Like to connect with everyone over there a little metaphorical. I think for the act I think it's not like she's sending the vibes through the te. She can definitely like read the alien, you know, and kind of translate. Just the thing where I'm like, oh, this is a moment where every like he shows like people on the subway. on street phones, people they've stopped walking. They are all glued and I'm like I don't know. Alien. You don't know what. I buy it. I'd be like, oh, there's someone on like a Kansas City news channel who's talking about aliens. The movie's gonna live or die on this. I a hundred percent believe that if I was on the subway And like I could see the moment where like someone's phone pings and another person's phone pings and then everyone in the car is like, are you seeing this? There have been moments like this And this would be the biggest one that had ever happened in the history of humanity Deinite by the way it plays out down to even just the transferring of like, oh, no, this is getting bumped up to the nightly news. This is no longer Emily Blunt's broadcast. She breaks the story. This woman, I think is so fucking good who plays the newscaster at the end. U Yeahah, she is really good. The one the new Satcher she's having to play like don't know what's goingcessing this in real world.ould this happen Would you cry? Yeah, mayaybe It kind of think so. I got choked up watching this film that I got choked I didn't get chok up, choked up during the disclosure part. I got choked up during the when they're in the house. Um which Oh, the two Yeah. Yeahah. What happens? And so it's wait before we get there, we just have to acknowledge another thing, which is that Eve Houwson has been at one point is taken over by C refts directives to she needs to eliminate He's trying to jump in her brain Yeah and get her to basically kill her boyfriend, Josh O' And she's she's she is This is this is why I wasn't bumping on this is that there's the movie's a dangerous risk of getting into can faith overcome all But I think you can read it more literally that it's not that like the power of Jesus is stopping the alien technology from being used in a bad way. It's that like The way she is squeezing the cross necklace and causing like, you pain in her hand and actual like lacerations. is like the literalization of how she applies her beliefs to be able to guide her through situations, not the inherent power of those beliefs. If that makes any sense? That was the distinction for me, and it's down to the fact that she's causing herself pain R That it's not a self punishment thing as a sacrifice. It's that like The idea of the cross doesn't really do anything. It's what you apply it to that is made manifest then U But she basically, yes, is like using a tremendous amount of willpower to stop Colen first from making her kill him. And there are a lot of cool shots with like reflections in a knife. And it gets into then right them needing to like evolve their level of communication, their relationship where she's like I don't trust me tie me up. I should be withheld or yeah, restrained U And I love the bit of him and the they go to like a random hotel and he immediately tries to find every single item in the hotel that has the name or the address becausecause he's like her eyes are a transmission device. R Yeah. It's really cool. How does he eventually He like moves something. It's he's holding the stick The the one Wish Willow. The diving stick. Oh, no, he's holding a piece of paper that he wrote down because he is able to he sees the clip of Emily Blunt speaking alien language and it's like, o, that's a mathematical equation. He starts translating it by hand on a piece of paper from the hotel noteepad. while he thinks she's sleeping. He's holding it in his hand and he drops it and so she can see immediately immmediately the ye this was the thing I forgot to finish setting up, but this notion that The Colin Fth character is so completely curdled that he is so kind of like Colonel Kurtz died in his beliefs largely in the wake of his wife's death. Right We em center. This man's completely corrupted now and the way the Cleman Domingo tries to relate to him of like, you used to actually think about things and now you're so concerned with losing your position, your money, your status, your power. These people who just then, you know The desire for security E when you become a billionaire just completely rots your fucking brain and you'll do anything to make sure that no one takes a dollar from you anymore, basically. Yeah, and I think Spielberg's commenting obviously on like who crave power and government and then we will do anything to keep it working for se I to say his name. You heard of this guy? She you say it too loudly, Robert De Niro is gonna break into the studio. He's no good. Cool late man style thrown up his middleaders. I also the implication I sort of got is like, you know, maybe back in the day, Hugo and C first Car Noah, you know We're like, we're gonna one day figure out trying to get the public How to finesse this out And then at some point, Hugo realized like, oh, no, you're never, right. Y plan is They will never be Raking money on this shit. Yes. keepeep operating in the background, but never actually let people know about it because like that you're just too scared of likele strongly that this is I am correct. It will destroy society if we allow them. But I mean one of my favorite things at the is at the end when he's finally cooked. He was like plays the underling I don't know, but he look was very good. Yeah. Okay, his name, I think is Henry Lloyd Hues. You know, he's just like the guy who with the gun, right? Like the guy who's kind of his his attentions Yeah. But like there's just that moment where finally when the broadcast is starting, where Furth just sits in the chair and he's like, fine. He's British too. It's over. Yeah a lot of British Cilverg respects the Brit. Where was this filmed primarily fil New Jersey was filmed. W New Jersey. Wow Sharow Uh, Huntington, New Jersey, Ben Also a little Atlanta, a little New York City But yeah, like the Cape May Seasashoreline railroad was used for the railway. S at the Jersey shore There there you go. Did that in a little accent. You did. Yanoose obviously shot it. Oh Yanish Kkeminky shot the soon? Did. Did you know that? I said, Yeahah edited by Sarah Brother, who directed who edited like the last bunch of Spielberg movies with Michael Chan but is getting the solo I mean, Michael Khann is like ninety six. Michael Khan is ninety five years young ninety five years young. John Williams is ninety four. Like there was something striking looking at the credits of this movie and realizing like the guys that Spielberg has been with for decades and Yanos is a little younger than Steve. Yeah, Jan Yanish is still out there. But when he started, he found a bunch Steve was the young guy, he found a bunch of collaborators who had ten years experience on him. Right. And these guys are getting really You're dancing around retirement. R These are sort of the final laps around for a lot of them They get captured in the hotel Or at least Daniel does. Yeah. Jane escapes with the stick back to Margaret who has left the hospital ditched her freaking L boyoy tried to sell her down the river. Yeah Yeah. I mean, he's sort of You know, you sort of it's a good Spiberg character because you empathize that he's like, well, I think my girlfriend's having a mental. starts and it feels like this couple's going to break up in six weeks L Yeah, deffinitely they're already kind of weird because she's like I think we should move again and he's like, but I want to like, sell guitars in Kansas City or whatever it is he seems to do. It's unclear. but You know, the thing we've sort of mentioned but it' you know like it's like when they're in the gas station, it's pandemonium because everyone's prepping for what seems to be maybe not the end of the world, but some kind of escalation in a in a foreign war, like Russia or North Korea that might be like a nuclear exchange or something like somethingomet crazy' happening. None of our main characters care ever No. you know, so it's all backgrounded and I love that it's all kind of just like you know, North Korea, you kind of just hear this sort of vague like, you know, yeah, the situation continues to escalate. also if anything and they make it, you know, textual at one point, but there's a concern of Will anything we do even be able to cut through the noise R It's like there's already such a big story happening. Yeah. But so yeah. so like when Wyatt Russell is finally kind of clearly like, I think I need to you know, hand Emily off to the authorities They're in a gas station where it's all popping off. Yeahes, so she can kind of sneak out. calls and reports her Emily and Josh link up. W wait, I'm sorry, one do we like the scene where it takes him three times to run over the phone with the car? Oh, I love that.er. I love that. she's like, you didn't fuck it the wheels didn't even.. Dve forward. And like I was watching it being like, I also would struggle. It's like I don't know exactly where the wheel is when I'm sitting in the car. It really good. She's really funny Yeah At this point, they establish you kind of see what other people are seeing as they're talking to Emily Blunt. where there's like that shot in the trailer where you see like an old woman turn into Emily Blunt when the camera passes a guy's Yeah in the back of a guy's head And without any context, you're like, oh, is she a shapeshifter? But really that is just like the visual way to represent that every time she is connecting with someone She is they are seeing her as someone. I read it as it's one of her powers, much like the language thing. It's like when that's what she needs to do, that's what it is. because you have the scene later where she gets out of custody and she does it by looking at fifteen consecutive people R And to each of those people she is The one person who a silent look from would make them stop in their. I thought that sequence was insane. I thought that seence was insane That's another time when I started to like kind of tear up a Oh nice so beautiful. That's how she frees Josh. Y. Yes. And then they are like, we just got to get back to Kansas. She started off leaving Kansas, but now she's got to get back to Kansas. They just find each other in the way that Hugo said of like, you'll know where to go. She'll know how to reach you. There are always to when they get to Hugo in his little warehouse where he is we find out that he has been reconstructing or home from childhood And it is important that they reconstruct the circumstances supercision No, In fact, David, I have to push back here. They do not reconstruct Spielber's circumced. What if Spielberg's like? The problem is the aliens have been circumcised. they' like are you worried about This was his problem? It's an anti circumcision scream. And he starts going on like weird TikTok interviews, you know, like with like circumcision influencers. I must, I must call out Who else recently reconstructed their childhood home in exacting detail to then restage the events of primal trauma. Huh, wait, who? Academy Award winner Steven Spielberg. I Bableman. Yes. Yeah. I wonder if 'ause like I feel like this movie was entirely post f Right. if he's like right reckoning with like what a strange emotional experience that was for him to reenact these things to build these things. Yeah, right? Like you know, because like so much of the magic trick of the movie. And what I love also is that when Emily Blunt is confronted with her home, she's not just like, wow. She's like So it's my house. What's going on f? my house? I know my house. She's like totally overwhelmed.. And yes, I am the exact age that like I they say that she's thirty eight, which Emily Blunt is not thirty eight. how old do you think she is though? I think she's like forty three. Yeah, she's not that much older. but I am thirty seven and a half. I'm thirty seven and a half as well. Marie and I are very close. We're very close You're forty forty. And Ben well turn the Gty one Yeah. But just like the way that the house looked the TV, the stackHS is. And then when you get to her bedroom, I was just like Oh. I started thinking like, how I would react if someone reconstructed because my home was torn down Yeah. there's my parents gave up where I grew up. Yeah. So I can never go back all my homes. Yeah. and I just I started to think about what an overwhelming experience. No, totally. I know. Like I could And I always visit my house in London which I visited your house in London. I stood outside and took a picture for you. It was' in Disneyton, right Y It's a Disnel No. there's a little there's a little there's a little blue plaque outside saying David Sims. My street does have a blue plque on it It did not my road. It's a I think it's Kuna. It's a very interesting person. It aarkark Wolf Wolf the dog lived here Maybe one day there will be a blue plaque. Maybe. famamous podcaster David Sims and people go like, another new low for blue plaque. God, I didn't think they could get anything stupid her. Pastor Jesus Christ used to just be like Charles Dickens. now it's fucking this guy. co creator of gayET David Sims. And then so it was like oh, actually, that's pretty funny. He's like, all right, all right, M maybe it's funny. They didn't land on LGBT and they're like, he caught up l later years later Ben does your dad live in the home that you grew up in? He does that. Not only does he live in the home he grew up in, he lives in like a family home that's generation It was my great grandmother's home. And that's where the jeans were buried Thats that's a that's a home but foollowed ground. buuilt by Hosly. Is your is your bedroom still your bedroom or has it been coned? like Ninja Turtles posters and shit? No, it that all was taken down functions as a guest room. What happens next? You basically you get the chase, the train And then they're in the house and they both are, you know, they're holding the stick and they have to like They have to kind of go back to the moment of what we learned to be their Cleman first alien encounter. Coleman Domango has been focused on her We're trying to find her. He knows that there was a human, a child that was abducted by an alien. What he realizes when Josha Connor calls him and tells him that he can understand what he said on the broadcast, there were two. There were always two, of course, there were They were together as children by a bunch of woodland critters in their Thomas Kincid Christmas cottage. That's how they made visualized it to them so that the children would not be terrified This is why it looks so artificial and they were imbued with these powers of communication to hopefully be able to someday Maria, are you about to cry at this time? No, I'm thinking about this movie is incredible. I'm thinking about how because they're animals, It's often brought up as kind of like a failure of humanity that we have more empathy for animals than we do for other humans. R That people get more upset when they see animals being hurt in movies than they do. L the classic like hurricane Katrina people were more freaked out when they saw a dog on a roof, you know, even though they've been watching suffering And there' ppose Yes that the aliens have chosen to present themselves as And' just if there's like a sceney the way the fox is looking at. I like that they stack up on top of each other. I like that they make a little kind of like there's like a over. I mean, I interesteresting. The animal stuff animal stuff never really works on me, which probably means I'm a monster but although I mean, like I can find an animal cute and not want to see an animal be in peril, but like For me, I was much more just like the kids stuff gets to me of just like the idea of A kid not knowing what's happening and all, you know, like now that just like freaks me out so much. You're right, Mur, that there's the thing of like if they presented to us as aliens, would we be terrified? And they present it as humans, would we be distrusting? On by presenting as a magical deer cardinal and raccoon who all stack up on top of each other and are good friends. The big three, deer raccoon card Of course Would we feel safe and comfortable enough? Yeah. I want to share because I've said on this podcast many times that I'm jealous of people who've been abducted by A have said that. And that is something that I've always wanted. Friend of the show, Cris Aarube, the greatreat Crisparube. prodroducer and sometimes host of ninety nine percent Invisible G podcast. he is so nice, he makes you feel like an assle. I was to say, the friendliest man in the world. There's no more genuine friendly person than Crisperu abucted rob. But I was talking to him about this movie and my relationship with aliens and he did challenge me where he said, Wouldn't that be really scary? Obviously was like, Ha. Obviously maybe you are more talking about like kind of again, like I feel like we're all nostalgic for the nineties aesthetic around alien abductions which bright light Right, whichich also bled a little bit into and I'm not going call you out here, Ben, but you know, drug subculturesight of kind of like, you know, t shirts where there's a gray alien and maybe he has a joint and he's got his fingers up and he is coming in peace. you know Ly is that guy? You the SNL skit, the alien encounterit where it's like three of them had had a like I was bathed in a war light and I felt held and cared for and it was magical. And then you have Cape Kid being like, actually they stuck stuff up my butt. I was Donald Duck in it Like I guess in my mind, I'm like, I'm gonna show them Sega Genesis. and I blast. They'd loveight. T Jam and Earl. they'd dude. They would. They would. thoseose are those they're kind of guys Okay, yeah, disclure day littleittle kids getting abducted by aliens and that seems very effective. It's very effective. They remember everything. They remember everything U Colin Firth is still trying to fucking fuck with their shit. They have to like make themselves invisible, which is another thing you can do with the alien stick invisible car And that discussed that sequence that that was really fun. house. bunch of guys get bonked. goodood. A lot of guys get bonked I do want to say and this is like if we're talking about like empathy and cinema, one of the guys that plays one of Hugo's assistants. I think his name is like Brandon Wilson The entire movie every time they showed him I was like, I know this guy from somewhere, but I don't think that he's an actor. I think he's someone that I know who like happens to be in a movie. Like I just felt like I had some sort of different connection with this guy. No. Brandon Wilson. Well, I don't know who Brando, he's not showing up. right Maybe his name's wrong. No, you're gonna you know you're right. Ry Wilson, here he is. Yeahah. He's in Nickel Bys. That's the whole thing where I thought I knew because that movie so. And so the whole time Well you're placing the other guy's head. Yeah For the movie. That guy's your friend. And then only after the movie, when I looked it up and I was like, oh, it's the guy from Nicke Boys. I was like, God, that's a crazy reaction. Thank solving. That's a really good movie Yeahes, you know bke no shit. like, you know good mo. that I have not felt the need to rewatch or not felt the desire to rewatch because it's so emotionallyand That's a complete experience. Right, but throw it on. Yeah. if you're listen to this and you've never seen Nickel booys, you should watch Nickel Bys and Nickel Bys forty X. if we can get it back in theaters for a little forty X Make it even more of an empathetic experience. Tell tell me how interested you are in ruining movies with Btiette. I'm sorry, you've pronounced preserving the art of theatrical movie going in a very strange way. Hoppers is now on Disney plus and I was watching it with my My like a three and a half year old nephew, nephew. Yeah who loved it. sitting in a still chair The whole time. I was having like PTSD flashbacks to like being jostled around. We had a great time. We were hopp You guys saw hoppers in Yeah with the Erlich. Still to this date, my only fortyX experience. and both Erlich and I were like, I don't we don't know how you do this. I'm going tonight and I went last night What you doing What did you see last night? I took I took my little cousin to see Hean, Masters of the Universe last night And then tonight I'm going to see Scary movie. And fora. Yeah they're going to poke theater. Yeah, one hundred percent get better and I'm going to laugh G gonna laugh, that's pretty funny. Thank you One of the other people in Hugo's crew No Robins. Her namees or Gabby Beans That's a great name. Oh yeah She's a very good actor. Yeah. Yeah. I like her. I was just looking at her up Gabby Beans U we've also got I mean, because like it is the classic Spielberg like He's so famous he doesn't have to worry too much about Star Power thing. Pettyian Park, who I really like, who plays who plays this character a lot plays the kind of like column first number four. Right. The like person next to the boss on the phone being like, okay, get it done, get it done, rightight? You know, Um, but, you know, she's really good. You're saying that he doesn't need to cast Major star, but Jeremy Seamus. Geabby Beans, of course was Honey Dont's personal assistant. Honey Don' seeretary. don't get more famous than they have like bits about coffee or whatever. They do the coffee bit. sppider For seecretary Jeremy Samos, you, I love him. who's a great Theater actor. I mean, he's done TV but great local New York, incredible New York theater actor. He's like What is, I mean, he's in charge of the local broadcast. You know, he's like Emily Blunt's boss or whatever. He's so fucking good And because when like doesn't want to he's like, why am I going to get off the air right now? Right likeike because he has basically two scenes and scene one is him being like, why are you late and like this is so stressful wow, you know, And then scene two is her returning and being like Oh, you're talking about the the like the manager Yeah're talking about the guy anchor. Oh he's he' what Yeah But no, no, and her returning and being like, this is what we're gonna to do. And he's like, I don't really get it, but okay. and you watch him snap into action. He's so good. Yeah. agreed. Don't you think? Yeah But he's also reacting to her suggestive powerone.. She's working on him. She's working on him. But that's okay. But that's where you realize this movie is gonna build to a final set piece of they just have to get on the news and they have to show everyone everything. And this is the real S andL thing because this becomes a sequence that's a tribute to live switchboard editors. Totally. So that's I found that so thrilling. so cool. and like I'm someone SNL for sure. I love sports. like It's something where sometimes in sports you'll see a behind the scenes look at that. of like and here's how that play was, you know, called live in the in the broadcast but where you see the guysy ready three go you know, ready ten. Yeah, yeah, like the off perfecting Junior like where he's in real time directing. right Get a camera over to her right now. you know, I want to see the mom. I want to see the, you know, like, you know, like and then Cruce. Right, but just the whole like ready three Three You know, like just the way they have some kind of internal metro So cool. I'm gonna to invoke it. U oh. It reminded me of Sully where you will cut to a where the hero of the sequence is a guy you met thirty seconds ago, not the lead character. You know where it's like suddenly, who's pulling this off? People were just meeting for the first time. Our characters have taken us to this point, but this is new. You know who else pulled it off Chesley Sully s. Oh when they cut to The like NBC headquarters in New York. I thought we were going to get like a cameo from L. From Lauren Or Domingo. Can I do my abrushion of Lord the Tony? Yeah. Okay. Marie, phone out, phone out, Marie, get a picture. Okay, wait, sorry. and he was sitting low, low and slow. Barbecue style. You know, they announced to M makea Dune. Yeah. And for some reason he accepted. I mean, I know he's a producer, but I don't think he's the lead. No. But it just cuts to him Media see just It was just like fucking Lauren, like really? like I love Lauren. L I was fine with Lauren. Lauren's cool. It was a very anticlimactic final award. That was just one of those Tonies. I love the Tonys. Me. But every year there's this strain to the Tonies, even more of the Oscars of like We're really trying to sell mainstream America on the things we have on offer right now, right? on like what Broadway's got for you And some years It rocks. likeike they're like, look at all this cool shit and you're like, yeah, this rocks and some years it's like Riga Dun's the best musical And unfortunately, we must also contractually, because it was nominated to present like a number from Titanique or whatever. Yourre Titaniqu, Kate, So bad, dude. Have you seen it? It's The most epic bacon millennial like loser shit thrown in the b Iw Titanie like four years ago. That old UCB thing. That was where it. That's where it must stay. not on Broadway Well will say? But what is a funky gnda supposed to do? Well, if we don't give him the space You don't like the fact that the character is named Victor Garber. That's so funny to me.be that sounds like a funy so funn I'm laughing. Listen to me laugh You guys saw? No I I'm kind of funny. I had seen. Romley texted me that she was watching it the other day and said it was terrible. It's one of those things that, you know, it broke containment. Like it belonged, you know, off, off off, you know, like Broadway. Did you know that yeah, Luren Michols has two tonys. He also produced Leopold Statt Oh he's got two ton,'s wild. So we see a montage. Yes. ofong. The whole history of aliens, different stuff that is quality, different lormat large and other stuff I'm not familiar with I feel like if you're a real head, you're probably really recognizing a lot of this stuff. sure Rogan would have a lot to say about her. Yeah. I was to I would prefer to shout out Tom Delange. Oh sure Yes. Tom would have a lot to say about Fers. And I did say this before we started recording, but I watched a documentary by James Fox last night to prepare for this and it was called I don't remember the fucking name of it. I'm gonna have to look it up again. And what did the fox It was not Griffin got a different joke out before I was gonna say and it was not the star of Ray and collateral.'s not Jamie the Kingdom. So what it was James Fox was calledb The phenomenon, but it was not it was narrated by Peter Coyote. Oh. And I was like, there really is something crazy about the guy who nominate who excuse me narrates Ken Burns like historical Docs narrating a thing about like, you know, New Mexicag Corew Mexico like alien encounters or whatever. It's more crazy that it's Kyman from fucking ET being like, this is real now. Yes. Yeah. Griff said this to Marie and she was sure. And when yeah That's mostly Kbern Sky. It was ploted for Sy. Yeah. Is is he also in bititter moon? He's the other guy. I better so Check in long sequence. It just and Hugh. What I like is I like that it goes into real time basically, that the movie slows. They're not even showing you this from the perspective of our characters You're seeing people see it, but you're also just seeing it And you're seeing ships, you're seeing cell phone videos, you're seeing super eight footage, you're seeing like bad DV camera footage. You're seeing everything. Uh, you're seeing the aliens, you're seeing the torture U and then they start to wheel in the television It an old alien in a wheelchair. And I did kind of grab the King of TikTok and go like, is he gonna fucking do it This so when I said the ending didn't really work for me. I just had trouble buying all of it. that people are affected by it. it would work that it would go would work There's like a moment where like, U someone at NBC News is like, I put the footage through our AI filter and they confirmed it's ninety nine percent not AI or whatever. And I'm like, okay, like You think people would believe it. I guess but I wanted somewh I needed a little more skepticism. I mean, but like whole movie is built to this idea happen. Yeah. We have to you know, we have to like just think about like the ensuing minutes and hours. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like it's not like that all flashes and then they're like, anyway that was you one look at it. You know, it's like, this is just the start of all of this is now just out I think it I think I have this problem generally with Alien or monster movies that anytim I see it the thing the creature Yeah. thenen it is like It feels It gets deflated for Yeah. What is a knight of the demon? I sure the classical old movie where they show the demon and you're like, a fuck, you didn't haveough money for the demon.ike there's some great movie where it's like the atmosphere' so good This movie's incredible and they're like, and now behold the demon and I'm just like, oh, looks okay. Something like under the skin really works for me because like it we spending most of the time aliens like a human, but acting weird and I'm like, Yeahah, man who feell to Earth, like those sorts of things work better. I'm Looking at it now it looks pretty fucking good. I don't know. Yeah, that looks awesome. I don't pretty goodamon Yeah Yeah I think that Steve knocked out of the park with this alien design. I think it looks design And I like the ships. I like the weird kind of exX ships. Yeah. ye Yeah, the ships are really cool Yeah. you get a little glimpses of. I love this, but we walked out and like half of our friends were like, he really went full Spielberg at the end, huh? And I'm like he went full Spielberg at the end. Oh It's truly like ye. My review is Spielbergist the movie because the end of the movie is everyone watch. And it's just every single face mouth ajar kind of right, you know, just yeah There was a line that I really liked from the movie And Elizabeth Marvel says when she's talking to Eve Hstson about how she lost her calling or whatever And she tells her like you didn't lose faith in God, you lost faith in humanity. And that is what caused you to turn away from your faith and believing in something I think I unfortunately am just so cynical right now about Gotta get less Cn my friend that I I don't disagree with that, but this movie successfully made me buy in the world the reality of the film that it were I don't believe it would work in life and I don't feel good about anything. But I did buy it within the context of the movie I think once we got to like once I actually saw like NBC newews And then I was like, okay, now like that's when it started to feel a little more Well programming is toally lost. So they wouldn't know what to do. So what do you think happens? People are just like, whatever. We don't know. And then they just go back on film Twitter and just start posting. like I mean, film Twitter is pretty good. Letost. Let them post through it. You know, like what if there's a gift Okay. What if Hving I don't know if I believe that a broadcast in Kansas City would get picked up. right away You you got to roll with this I know. You just gott to roll with this a little bit. I know I think it would Rlling with would move fast. Yeah. They really would, especially in an internet age where people can communicate with each other this much. It it's just I can see it showing up on the internet. before it gets but I I think about, I mean, you invoked it, but I think about shit like the night that they fucking I talk aboutin Laden, which is one of the last times. that I was like, I think I have to turn the news on. Yes. I'm hearing. And that will happen when something crazy happens. Yeah. Which we won't say because we don't want anyone coming after us to investig us. When it happens When it happens. Yes. When it happens. Okay, well the box office game I reallyos your day. I would guess right now that it's going to open to forty, which feels like in the middle of where the projections are, but I really have no idea and I don't know how it's going to play. I've had friends for the last couple of weeks because we got to see this early and thank you to the kind folks Universal for helping us with podcast scheduling. But people have asked me what I think about it and then it's followed by, do you think it's going to work? Is it going work as anscar mov? Is its gonna to as a box Osc mov? And I went, I don't know. It's really classical, it's really old fashioned. It's classic Steve, but it doesn't feel in conversation with this moment in a way that maybe is what people want because this feels like a moment of everyone rejecting the traditional blockbuster model of the last twenty years Now they're mostly rejecting it for twenty something with O Wish Willows in backrooms And this is literally the elder statesm. I was socited when Spielberg was on rewatchableables. He's like, I'm about to go see back grouomps of excited. Looks like just wrong. And then he gave like a red carpet interview where he like shouted Parsons and Cry Barker out and I was like, they're young guys and I was young and I think it's so great. And I'm like, you know what? goodood for you, Steve. One of the greatest moments in the history of podcasting is on the two thousand one rewatchables where Bill Sand was like Joose, she's pretty good U che it out. No the moment for me, that's the best where he goes. but seventy millimeters back now, do you know about this? As if Steven Spielberg isn't I think Bills I think Bill's happenving a little fun. What he say? I don't know. I think It's a great moment, either way. The part of the magic of Bill Simmons in my opinion though is you're always kind of like, Do he know he's doing a it or not? half the time he does Yeah I I compared I said this movie felt like a shamalan movie to me, which I am a shamalan fan. It does feel shamal. Very shamalan. Very shamalan. Yes. but I also think that it's going to run into the shamalan thing of it being so open hearted and earnest It's really to rub people the wrong way. Yeah. I think it's going to be divisive. Yeah, I really I really don't know. It's no, I think so. It's gonna be quite polarizing as with almost all the movies he makes. Fars later, people are going to be like F're kind of cooked on that one, huh? I'm rew watchatching it. it's like it's got a few sequences that are really hitt. It's just what's happened with all of these movies of his Even Ready Player one the most hated of them. I like Ch like Ch. I'm a fierce defender. me I' It's Ferce defeenders And yeah, it's just u you know, it's just what our man's doing post last night and I remember being like, ah ure on it when it came out The ending is still, I think Somewhat disastrous. I agree with that. I don't really even Suprem Court steps No no, it's like they're setting up the like Nixon extended universe and they start with like the waterater D. Cliffhanger never made good on with the sequel. you have no idea what happen Well what do you mean? what happened? He went to see an alien Jackie Gleason. He had a great time the thread here. Yeahah.' some really good shots in it and I'm like Oh man this is You know who's in that movie? Gracy Less. Let's see. Yeah Care Coon. I have felt even in the Spielberg movies, I have loved in the last twenty years that he's had a bit of a running ending problem. Yeah that he doesn't know how to leave well enough alone. That's true. four tim. Right. This is a full stop ending for him. It's great. That's rare because usually he snap a off. Like the disclosure is big, but then it just ends at the exact moment and I will just like he hasn't done that The kind of the one time he's fully nailed the ending for me I chang Jurassic Park One more thing with himles werere like I do truly love that he was like, I made ready Player one because I loved to end them. Like because of the ending where' like byy the way, it's closed a few days a week. I'm going outside please. He's like that's why I made them. She also was like, my kids hated me for that one. Yeah. Hell yeah. fucking tell them So we think Obsession is going to be number two at the box office again. Oh right. Yeah, I think possibly. I think Scary Movie and Masters of the Universe will likely drop bit And so I would put obsession at two, I'd put those at like three and four. You were is kicking around to five. I don't think there's any other big release this wee. You were asking, do you think Scary movie is going to have a big drop? That franchise maybe traditionally has the biggest second weekend drops of any franchise ever. Yeah My kind favorite stack Yeah is that Scary moovie four made a quarter of its domestic total on its opening day It made like twenty on Friday and then it went to like ten to five. I will see and ended up at sixty. Some other movies coming out this week Stop That train, which was not made with AI. Well, not. No No, it wasn't. May saying this. peopleeople believe me. And a movie that Alison Wilmort told me rocks the Furious' like a Hong Kong act And Davidk episode did David Erk. Oh cool. Gota see that. Mandoline and Grogrew. Oh, o, I'm actually predicting that to Kintupulitz' gonna start jump back up Everyone's realizing it's good now That is the next present my daughter is going to get for continuing to stay in bed. Galactic snack and Grogu? Correct which she's very excited to receive. Of course, what do you think the first of the fucking bag of toys I brought back for that our swag from? people who give us nice mostly Rehese the kind the wonderful Rese King. G gave you a lot of Nintendo swag and I gave you galactic snack and Grogu. Exactly. What was the first What Ber Junior? Bingo. He's an all star. She's just like fucking bass J. He's got the paint brrush. the best guy in the world. What wasoke? You made a joke about someone else's son having a magical paintbrush I't rem I just like this is a joke structure that anyone'sone has imagin. It was the name junior that activated me butt remember you know U yeah, so um Mando and Grou does exist. Oh Wainroow Ji. was my joke. Oh right the heat too will have Winggro Jr. and he has a paintbrush. We were saying We were saying that Tim Simons should read for Wainroow Jr.at. Wait, that's so good. Sim said Wgroow Jror and his magic paintrush Wait, but I don't, I ha't read Heat too, so I'm very confused about the time Don't worry when you read Heat two, they won't make anything more cle. Rocks to be clear. But you don't read Heat two and go. I definitely see how this is a movie. You're like, whoa. Okaykay. All right, you know what Mikey man, I trust you U But yeah, that's I mean, there's nothing else big this week. So yeah, I do think that'll be most of these hold I do I just I got the hard numbers so I just want to share with this Toy story five, which I do think is going toule summer. I do think Odyssey being R rated. kindind of solidifies unless Spider Man is way better than we're guessing It does feel like Toy Story five kind of has the runway now I know what you mean, but the Odyssey pre sale stuff is completely unprecedented and insane. Like it's just kind of insane Ooppenheimer is more Oinensibly more boring and also rated R. Yes and three hours. L could be Barbie and five might be Barbie members It might familyily movie thing it's just like People, you know, are like, yeah, it'll have legs for for, you know, for years because of, you know, family movie stuff. And it's like that can be true, But then oddly sometimes it's not. Like Disclosure Day is also hoping for its second weekend is a Father's Day weekend. Oh It's hoping for a nice hold I think because of that Dad movie. Because right, it's going for Dad, but obviously it will be up against Toy Story five I don't think Leviticus or the death of Robin Hood are really too threatening there. And the next week, he got Supergirl. and I think now with these fucking superhero movies. It seems like it's just kind of like they they open okay. It Supergirls not going to get the blank check bump. So I think that's reallyutal. And And then also there's another thing standing in Toy Story five's way. My most anticipated movie the summer Mions versus monsters. Minions and monsters. got some time before mininions swings around.' Two weeks. Okay. But beyond that, every time I see a minions mononsters trailer, I'm like, am I into the minions nows? This raw strange I just want to read because I got the actual numbers here Dry movie F openped to forty four million of this and ended up at ninety. It was a straight double and the first four days it opened on Easter weekend, it went from nineteen to thirteen to seven to three on four consecutive days. is how these movies perform. Yes But in forty X Sm U so you saw okay, so you saw Scary movie four and see that cant seeing that tonight I thought you already saw it. No, he's you're going back time in forty X. Look, it's promise is made to friends You saw it for the first n time with Mitchy I saw with Mitchion Zack Herry. Right. Anabbella Hherry. Yeah, it was great. And Micus. And Micus, the greatreat Michus. Yeah U And what's the what's the other thing you saw in forty X? Yes I saw he mo own there for, which I've also seen twice Both movies I of like. Two movies you didn't write really recommend moovies. No, look, I'm pro movies. Yeah Uh There's stuff in Han I like. It's just it's they fixed half of the script And if they had another year, I probably would fully like it as a movie. I'm gonna watch it. Yeah. But I will say the initial reaction had me push it down the sort of priority list. Eespecially with it not being based on things you care about at all. I don't care about these things. It's true. Daman is not of one of my fellows. I do I' really been Eman No's never I'm really I'm smarting from what they did to my boy Oraco. They did not see not in at all an credit thing that I think is worse than if he hadn't been in it period. Now if there was a Thundercats, then I'd be it. I believe that I watch some thugard is supposed to do Thundercats. R The one for me is if Matt Johnson really is making a magic the gathering movie' serious about That is the like sleeper codat activated Do you know what I did the other day? And then this has to be the end of happen ago. Yeah. So I went to a baseball cards store 'cause I now I obsessed with baseball cards again.. So I went to card store. Yeah. but I'm looking for baseball. David now just spends so much time buying toys and trading cards. I wantanna call out the context for your daughter, for my wife for w. Well, mostly I'm getting free toys for daughter, but yeah, sure I buy logic. I'm not saying're collecting forself. I'm saying so with baseball card Love the base me. I'm in the store. I'm like, Hey do you have this? And I' likeh no it doesn't drop me a series two of the twenty twenty six tops, you know, like doesn' dp tillil next week and physically, I like, Ohh, that's fine. I'm walking around and I see Magic the Gathering, which has gone all in much like Lego back in the day on like They just do like You know, Lord of the Rings cards now, right? Like they just they just let license them out. And I loved that game when I was a kid They had Teenage ninjure Turtles, Magic the gathering cards.. So I bought a fucking box of them. Wow. Yeah. ' we did a role playing game years ago. And that was kind of a fun format. Magic is a little because it's like a strategy game though It's a little less fun like to maybe record gotot it. I don't know. I don't know I've never played cool All right, when we get it, you're cool. Ben, can you do me a favor as we wrap this episode up? Yeah. Can you turn the printer on so I can print the sides for the audition I'm run to go do? Yes. Thankk you. We have a printer here? Yeah, we do. It's right there Oh, I mean, thank God, we have some things that are useful in this office. He. What? An office full of useful things U So next week we start to understand. Yeah. That's right. The tooy story f called Finding Nemo. will be coming out cut out the part where I basically threaten to murder you about three hours fifteen minutes. I also hope we cut that out. And the findinding Nemo episode. Yeah. just because if we don't, it'll be really or feel for the fire of like, oh, David wants to murder Griffin Newman. It's also just like, I'm not going to agree to license that out to the Netflix doc in five years. Right My family. Wh murdered too My estate. Ecuse. Who mur So you're gonna murder him Okay, that's what he claims in the Memo episode. I don't. And look, we'll cut all of it out, but he gets like detailed. That sounds like a doome boy. where Mikeking startsing, you're like, wait Mitch, have you plan something? That's when they talk aboutally that's true So always the best podcast? No. Stanton starting with Finding Nemo. A little known film.. A small one by. onene of most successful movies. With the great Rebecca Alter from Vulture. We got Becca. And then yes, we will discuss, you know some very successful films and also in the blink of an eye. Yes. mean was successful, I mean financially successful. And John Carter, the definitive Bnce. Hollywood bounce of the last twenty five. It's a bounce. I'm really excited to reread that New Yorker article. one of the best. And you know, somewhere in the middle of there, we will, of course discuss Christher Nolans the Odyssey, as previously mentioned. Yes, and that series will end with Toy Story five, which will obviously be late, but it means I'll of months l I to see it two times Yeah, ye'll have percolated on a bit because we're recording it next week because Yeah, he's off. I have ticker if it's on vac I'm going it's work I'm seeing it a third time after we record the episode. That is the actual sc. So have you already seen it? No. We're all seeing it together. Yeah. And then I'm seeing it the night before we record. Oh, okay. And then I'm seeing it again the night after we record. So I get three and before I go to insert fign country here. Wow The printer's running which means everything's working and I'm going to run out of here. Thank you all for listening. Please remember to rate review and subscribe. Tune in next week for Pody A min series on the films of Ander Ststand that has to be said that way or else it doesn't matter I see. You can also check out our Patreon over at patreon. com slash blank checks That's so true. It's so tr we are currently covering, I want to say. We just recently released a Billy Eilish Me hard and soft the exact title, The concert tour three D fllash our trip to Wisconsin. Yeah, as well as paired with a live discussion the Wisconsin film Festal we did about BabeTube. And mean in the city. 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