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Blurry Creatures

Blurry Creatures

The Return of the Messiah

From EP: 427 The Zodiac and the Gospel with Troy BrewerMay 19, 2026

Excerpt from Blurry Creatures

EP: 427 The Zodiac and the Gospel with Troy BrewerMay 19, 2026 — starts at 0:00

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I'm like, Yeah yeah, O only the devil messes with the Zodiac or signs in the heavens. although Jesus said There will be signs in the sun and in the moon and in the stars The history of our earth is so different from what we can imagine oy. The Smithsonian if they found out about a large skeleton somewhere was to go get it. I'm gonna assume at least one person is right. becausecause if one person's riding bus paragon, it all goes back to the phall in churn. And the problem with the modern day church, they have a very truncated view of the supernatural. This backdrop that iss just pregnant with all kinds of meaning associated with this Mount Herman event And this guy defects from the kingdom That's a big deal. Weling back to the basement. we got Troy Brewer back in here And this will be our I think our third blurry creatures episode with you. is. Yeah. And we're excited today. We're going to talk about the Zodiac. and I'm sure you're gonna rile up some folks in this space because a lot of people have a lot of thoughts about space, the firmament and all those things. But then when you start talking with confidence about We got a shoe flying in here. Look at this.om welcome You can time travel , we' talk about the last one but I told you told you that last time Now we're talking stars and Zodiac and Where do you begin such a wild discussion Welcome back to the basement. Thanks, man. It was always good to be here and I'm excited about telling you about this stuff because this has been a lifelong journey for me. It started when I was a kid. I didn't live with my dad and my dad would come and get me sometimes and I idolized my dad, just such a great guy. suchuch an awesome, awesome, awesome dad. He was poor and when he'd come get me, he typically didn't have any money. So he would take me to the Fort Worth Museum of Science and whatever and natural science. and they had a planetarium there And Dad became friends with the guy that ran the plananetarium because I was such a nerd about the stars that he was like, this kid, you know, he's a nerd and he's a little redneck nerd. I rode bulls and did all the things, but I was like, dude, if this comes to astronomy, I want to know it. And I learned astronomy. I learned it. So I started the astronomy club at in big time Joshua school I actually started the astronomy club there and we got into the whole nine yards. Well, when I got saved and when I had an encounter with Jesus in nineteen eighty six I picked up a Bible and I was like, how do I fire this thing off? It's like Chinese to me. Like what do you how does this work, you know? And I got into it and so I mapped out all the timelines. That was my first order of business was who are the main characters of the Bible and what's their timelines? when do they appear? How does that work? and what books are they in And I started doing that. And then when I started learning their stories and what they said, I went I know this story This story is int a constellation. And then I'd go to another big time biblical story and I go, I know that I already know that story. It'n in a constellation And then I'd go to another or I would come across a verse and I'd say Those words are in a constellation in the names of the stars because I knew the names of the stars as well And I'm like, wait a minute, do you're telling me that This verse, you know, in Isaiah says you know that he was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our inigquities, the chastisement of our peace was upon him and byrps we were healed. Well, Orion's Bt says that If you if you know what the names of the stars are And I was like, because the first one means wounded, the second means bruised and the third one means beaten And I was like, that's in Orion'sll And so I didn't know it was taboo And I didn't know it was weird to go, well, yeah, everything in the heavens, what I actually discovered was everything that is in the Bible It's actually written in the heavens, if you know how to see it because the author is the same. H And I didn't have those words. So I was just like, dude, do you know that Jesus is the that the zodiac is Jesus? Do you know that? people are like, dude, that's the devil. You need to stay away from that. I'm like, what? I'm like yeah, only the devil messes with the Zodiac or signs in the heavens. Although Jesus said, there will be signs in the sun and in the moon and in the stars Okay, if Jesus said that, because to me, Jesus is perfect theology. Whatever Jesus believes, I want to believe. whatever he does, I want to do, whatever that is,? Whatever he prioritizes And I didn't know any better and play in our band and there was always a short ten minute time where I would preach and I would typically go, do you know what's going on in the heavens tonight Do you know this? Do you know that Do you know this? Well, that's what the Bible says. The Bible says this, the Bible says that And people go like, what? And then I could get corrected by whatever church we were playing at, go, Hey That's all the devil. and I'd say, why do you say that? Because people do bad things with it. And I say, you don't say that about sex You don't say that about money Why do you do that with stars? And what I found was It was just ignorance of what's actually in the heavens and it was also if I can just be so blunt to say to a lot of my critics,'s theological laziness. They just don't want to look off into it because it's just scary Well, I dig it Wow I really blew the intro though, loop. Yeah. I could have said You know, the stars at night. Big hand Brad bum, bum, bum K in a hardart of tixies, you know, had a little intro there. So Well actually I love this in a lot ofays because we've covered some of these things to a point we actually our Christmas episode last year was about the star of the Magi. Yeah then when Caleb Joneson and he was talking I saw it it was awesome. Yeah he wanted the clock back and he's saying these things are These events are natural, but they are They are declaring and they're natural, but they're so rare. and so and the combining of of Jupiter and Venus actually has big remainings. And it's very much in line with a lot of things we've done. And then of course In our space, we also talk about, you know, the occult and As you pointed out There' I think as the new age and the occult does is they hijack, right And then a lot of Christians will say, Well, I know what that is. I've heard about it over there. R. So that is a don't touch.'t don't do. And you know, our last episode, we talked about how How God on the third day you know, created put those on the fourth day he createdth day in the mning the st. Right fourth day sorry ye. Thurday I say about the band. But fourth day, yeah. he put everything in its place as signs for the seasons and signs for the times, right? Yeah so the verse that you're talking about is Genesis fourteen through sixteen, and it says this, Th God said, let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night and then let them be for signs So before they're for anything else, they're for signs for us for signs, seasons, and for days and for years, and let them be for lights in the firment of the heavens to give light upon the earth. So before there was already light before the fourth day All right, so it's interesting though if your story because there's not a lot of people who probably know like the stars and the knowledge of stars and constellations on those things before they become a Christian Yeah Like, I mean, unless you're like a professor or something and you have like just like an increased knowledge for such a subject, but It was just fun to me. Yeah. It's like a language is what you're saying. Yeah, was it is a language. It's just like, you know, Like numumbers that preach. I have a book called Numbers at Preach. It's not about numerology, it's about how God speaks through numbers. And this is the same thing. This is not about astrology. this is about how God speaks through the heavens Yeah. so you feel like is it just like big bullet point words or how do you like view the stars and why how does a constellation get like words attached to it. Yeah. Where does that come from? There's several different ways that you can and what I'm going to bring to you is not what our fifty pound head friend, what's his name? the guy that Jones. Josh man, the guy is so brilliant. Yeah. The guy is a studying fool. The guy is a research fanatic So I'm not Caleb. I'm not that guy. I watched it and I was like, man, I love this guy and I'm so proud of this guy. I also would say this too. what I would add is a layer which is a different stream than the view that he's looking at. And I'm saying the prophetic thing of God's heart within it. So what I'm talking about I'm talking about a supernatural thing. I am talking about the natural, the very, very natural, but I'm talking about the overlay of the supernatural on top of it And there's three different I'll give you three different ways you can tell. what God is speaking through the heavens are how you do that. First of all, the constellation itself, what the picture of the constellation is And why that's supposed to be a virgin woman? Because it doesn't look like a virgin woman What the heck is Virgo all about And and who named it that? You know, who who called it that? Where doess that come from The Bible says that God tells the names of the stars. And he says that in three different verses So the Bible specifically said that God is responsible for the names of the stars. I'm going to keep on and we'll come back to that Secondly, like in the book of Job, when God says, if you want to know how it works, then just follow the cub and just follow the bear and her three cubs. Well, that's what you and I would call the big dipper or cananis major which is the big bear, Kanus major And he's like, haveave you followed her trail? And then he says, canan you loose the bands of Orion So it's arguably the most ancient of all sixty six of the books within the C canon is the book of Job. And here's God because there was no Bible giving him the Bible from the constellations Whenever And and that's how they did it. They did that That was normal practice a long time ago before we had commentary of the Bible because the Bible wasn't written but it was written, it was written in the heas Bigfot doesn't take care of the dogs. He's not a dog guy, but you might be a dog guy. I am a dog guy. What do you do? 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Rough greens makes any dog food better The first thing that you have is you have eighty eight constellations That's how many constellations there are that are in our firmament or within our perspective or within our field of view We can perceive and see eighty eight different clusters of stars that have eighty eight different significant prophetic stories Okay then you have These five stars that are wandering stars that are actually planets Okay that you can see with your naked eye And then you have twelve of these constellations that the sun passes through And that is known as the Zodiac or biblically is known as the Mazaroth God calls it the Mazareoth And so the first front of it is the constellations themselves and the stories they tell and it gives this dramatic story of different things that God wants people to know The second one is The actual every every major constellation, like all twelve signs or They're called signs, the Zodiac and the Mazaroth, the the ones that the sun passes through. They have three supporting constellations around them that also give you more of the details of the story. like the one that represents Revelation or which is Leo the Lion, is when Jesus comes back, right. The ones around it, like one of them is Crater the Cup, and that's part of the whole Revelation story hour pour out the grapes of wrath, right? I'm about to start going through all that, but the supporting The supporting constellations around the major constellations also give you more details And then finally, actually, two more things. And fininally, Thirdly, I should say, the names of the stars give you details of the story of alwaysice trying to tell you. and then how the sun or the moon passes through them, when they pass through them, and what planet passes through them gives you another understanding of the timing of it That's a lot I'm reminded too that like in our age here we We spend our evenings, you know, watching Netflix or ball or whatever or hanging out in the ancient times they were The ancients were fanatical about tracking The heavens. like was always late night. It was always. one hundred percent. there I was looking I remember looking at a map. I think it was in Sardinia of temples there and the way they faced each one you could tell when it was built because it was meant to point directly towards a specific star. Yes. And as they were went down through the centuries the temples turned and were different directions on the same island, but they were all following the same star. These are fanatical about not only tracking And you look at there's ancient Babylonian like a tablet that is like a super accurate. representation of our solar system. Yes from the Sumerian Babylonia. which one of the same really depends when it was when it was made, They knew they knew what was going and they very much paid attention to what was going on in the heavens a very blurry side of all that is just like how The geography of the earth is mapped out. The geography from the heavens is also space and it's also mapped out. And there are fallen and and holy deities that that's their area And so you have these blurry things coming out of those like if you have grays that come out and say that they're from Plades. Yeah right on if you have something else come that's also a mapped out territory is it's mapped out from our perspective. And you need to know that that the heavens only look like the heavens to us if we were on Any other solar system, the heavens would look completely different. It's placed in our fermament. So it's meant to be viewed from our perspective for the sake of knowledge, specifically for timing of kingdom things. That's what it' sa. And also too also to make sure that you know the plan and that there's always hope. Yeah. And also like I remember we talked to Doug Van Dornen about this in the Wing Star episode, but like the idea that the tabernacle is laid out Celestially as well. Yes. And also there's what is it the four figured heads of the creatures in heaven. And those are all those are all that's exactly Zodiac science.'. So I'm so glad that you brought that up because Because when Moses laid down the tabernacle, what's real is, and he set up three tribes of the north, three to the east, three the south, three to the west If you know Which tribe represents which of the twelve signs Okay It's like, you know, and you can map it out. I mean, you can actually study that and you can find that out real easy. It's not like super hard to figure that out. And then you look at the three that are to the north, three that are to the east and three that are to the west and three that are to the south. You take that And you do this with it. If you look at it from above and you look down at it and you take that and you do this, it matches the heavens And Moses set up the tabernacle according to the pattern that was shown him in heaven. So when he was in heaven, not only did he see heaven as far as supernaturally, he also saw the mapped out realm in the heavens And he built the tabernacle according to that pattern to reflect it So you're saying they knew the names of the stars. They just knew them No they knew them. Oh no one Oh no. So so what's happened is is so it went with Going back before the Babylonians, like the Egyptians and then on this side of the world, more recent time, the Azsecs and the Indians and the Incas and they they buil Ziggurots, that whole thing. you guys are so into all of that. which are meant to be They're they're actually They're astro But they're also They're also physically planted to the earth. And so they're meant to be The top of it is not in the heavens, The top of it is as the heavens. So it's an astro building. Every single one of them are And so Go to these ancient empires that served these Nephalum go kings that told them they came from this constellation or that constellation. Giza is set up exactly like Orion' but It's set up to match your Rin' belll And so when they when they these beings came to them and when they lied to them And when they said, by the way, God gave you to us and you have to service and he did.y thirty two, He did. Yeah. Yeah. So Dude Amyty, you got it and the whole council and all that They When when they did that, they changed the names of the stars, and they started changing what the representation of the constellations are to match their narrative And so Romans one hundred twenty says that. it says that when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were they thankful, but they became vain in their imaginations and professing themselves to be wise. they became fools. And they turn the glorious things of God into four foot creatures and yada yada yadda. That's what he's talking about He's talking about The change So you have the Egyptians, they have the Babylonians, you have the Medes, you have the Persians, you have the Greeks, you have the Romans. And for us, when we look at the names of the stars are all Greek But if you go back to and you can look all this up, it's very easy to find The most ancient names are Hebrew and Aramaic And if you find out what the ancient, Hebrew and Aramaic names are before they became Babylonian before the before they did, you can find out the actual names of the stars and what God was speaking through them So They were named. They were named And they knew It's it's yeah everything Everything the interested was modeled on on the heavens, right? It was even like we talk about serpent mounds here in the United States, right? And They're fine these servit mounds were were aligned to the movements of the moon or to the or to the or to the stars. And and this this knowledge was not supposed to be Here in North America becausecause the alignment matters. The alignment is about the portal opening The alignment actually matters Coming into agreement and coming into alignment with things on earth as they are in heaven The Biblical New Testament version of that is, well, tell the elders to anoint them with oil. There's the oil isn a magic Yeah There's nothing magic, but but he gives us these these prophetic acts, that worst simple prophetic acts, communion. is a simple prophetic act. Baptism is a simple prophetic act that brings you into an alignment for something that heaven releases to you And they did the same exact thing with these things, but they did it with physical alignment Can you lay out a story in the Bible and lay a constellation over it and show us how they're married J a man. I tell them about that. Come on, I'm curious I'm not as smart as you, Troice. Oh, you are You are, just I'm just psychotic actually And I want to tell you, I'm loving every minute of it. I'm boldly taken on hell with a water pistoy. You might be like Stehven in Braveheart. Yes. I have like Stehven. You're like a madan. If Almighty you converse with. In order to find an equal person person must be with the Almighty. God told me. She says shut up,. I love Stepven. Yeahah, but he's like I've come to the right place. Well, there's some amazing things. So let's go through some of these One of my favorite this drama that goes on throughout throughout every single night throughout the year is this drama that goes on betweenween there's this battle that goes on between O'Rion in Scorpio. Scorpio is a summertime constellation and It's the biggest Out of all the constellations, Scorpio is huge and it dominates the sky whenever it's up. And in the summertime is blown and gone As the wintert time comes, Orion rises up. Orion when let me back up Scorpio. Scorpio represents the reign of death And and in the Zodiac story starting off with the woman It begins in Genesis three, the seed of the woman That's where the heaven story start. And it ends with Leo of the line of the tribe of Judah coming back, kicking button and taking names It begins in Genesis, It begins in Revelation in the heavens sameame it does in the Bible because the author is the same. Pretty cool, right? Yeah Yeah. Okay,'ll get we'll unpack that here in just a little bit because Virgo has Virgo in her belly button. In Greek, she has a star that in Greek is named Spica. In the Hebrew, he's called the branch. And the branch is one of the prophetic names for the Messiah. And she's always known as a virgin that has a seed within her. It's impossible for a virgin to have a seed within her Yet it was in the heavens and it's Genesis three. It's the seed warar. The whole seeed warar story is in the heavens. It's all in there. And one of the places that you can see it, bestest is Whenever O'rion comes up You have to know that Scorpio goes down. They're exactly twelve hours apart or they're on the other sides of the planet for us. So you can never have them both in the same sky Orion represents Ariseon shine for your light has come. Orion means light And and by the way, all six pieces of the Ephesian six armor of the Lord is on him. All seven pieces And He rises up and he's beautiful and he's shining and he's glorious. And then when he comes up, death has got to go I mean, you can't have them both. Oh death wherears your sting, Grave wherears your victory. You cannot have them both in the same sky. What do we do if we have a problem, Luke? What do we do if we need to go to the doctor, the dentist or get something done? Finding a doctor for your specialty, whatever it is you need to go for, can seem like a monumental task, right like, whereere do you look? whoo to talk to? whoo do we trust? 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And and he represents the throne of God, the North Star does And it represents where Jesus is seated in heavenly places. And if you ever can find that, you'll never be lost again Okay So one of the closest constellations to it is Casio Pia And Cassiopia is, we hbillies like to call it. She is a woman that is on a throne, and it represents us as the body of Jesus When Scorpio is in the air. She is from the nine o'clock to the six o'clock to the three o'clock position and she is upside down Whenever O'rion rises, she's right side up So she is made righteous or right standing or sated rightly W God when Jesus shows up. That drama goes on and that story is told every single night. And the ancients saw it and they contemplated it and they thought about it and they understood things. And the Spirit of God would move upon them and they would have great revelation And they got it before it was ever written No So them they knew. they knew. Yeah. when the startory of the magic. they knew k was talking about what those represented, with the names of those was The magi as astrologers Yes probablyably in the mystery schools of. It's where we get magic from. They kn it They knew what it meant. They said there' there's a king that's been And even in Israel, they weren't looking it and they didn't know.. And God used Babylon, which represents the worst of the rest of the world. right? No we're just talking about prophetically representation. Do doesn't mean everybody there was bad. We're talking about prophetic representation which was also showing this From this day forward, it won't just be the Hebrews that get this message. It's going be the rest of the world. That's what I'm fixing to do And he actually did that through that, which is crazy cool Do you feel like the ancients It seems like sometimes when people have a misinterpretation of the truth which leads to like offshoots, different gods, different religions that they're all kind of learning this language, but they're coming to bad conclusions and then going down different routes. And seeing that God is the author of all these things. becausecause they're not just doing it by theirself, they're doing this in league with a very real spiritual being that is teaching them this knowledge Okay. fallen entity, a regional fallen entity. Son of God. also that territory over the territory and over those people. It's their narrative. They're hijacking the narrative is what they're doing. So in some ways, you know, when the ancient alien crowd says that the Ananaki showed up, it could been ine thousand percent from that And it's just it's the Genesis six story Y. but it sounds more like sci fi. So they like it more because it's Well it's not biblical Yeah it is biblical. And it's because we a Wtern lens. we have a Western lens of the Bible. And if we had a Middle Eastern lens of it, that would make Perfect sense. Yeah God is the is the most is the highest God among all the gods.. I know that you guys know this, but I mean, the Bible says that. lot of Christians down themself. They still don't they haven't gotten there yet. Yeah. They don't think they they'll get there. These are the last days. Well they ra they rage in the comment section all the time. there are no other I Well that's not what the Bible says. Yeah It's just there are no other gods above our God. Our God is a creator of all the other gods. But I'm just trying to put ourselvesial family. In an ancient brain of how they viewed the stars versus modern Christians have no idea if this language is hanging over our head. We can't You can't read it. We don't even know it's a langu re so far removed from it Right? And if anyone who does have any Knowledge of it is like Luke said, kind of lumped into new age, satanic scary, don't don't think about these things. So Does this go back to like your time travel episode where the stars are like hanging prophecy Yes And we're catching up to the stars. Yes. Absolutely. So So when Jesus says, there will be signs in the sun, the moon and stars as And we haven't got into the Zodiac yet and how the Zodiac works, but But I can tell you this, just a few days ago from the time that we're filming this, I got up super early in the morning because I knew everything was lining up I didn't know what was going to happen But I knew, okay, on this day This day, meaning the day begins at night for the Hebrew calendar Sometime during the night. The Eth is closer to the sun than any other time of the year. On that same exact night, we had a super moon. which means thatth the moon is closer to the earth than any other time of the year. And then we also had a meteor shower. So there was a sign in the sun and in the moon, and in the stars And I got up on Saturday morning and went, okay God, what did you do? And boom, Venezuela had been overtaken And I was like, I knew something was going to happen on a national level because it's a sun. anyytime God is doing a sign through the sun, He's speaking to the nations. I knew that there was going to be a word for hisis covenant people for his church or for Israel because that's what God speaks through the moon. And then if God speaks through the stars, He's speaking to his children of inheritance. That's why he told Abraham All right, let me show how this going to work I'm gonna take you the Bible. He took him out to the stars. He said, look up at the stars and let's go through this. It wasn't just the number of stars that he tried to count and say, okay, that's the number this's going to be. There was I really believe that Jesus took him through The story and the plan of redemption as presented in the eighty eight constellations, the names of the stars and gave him the details and then told him You know, hit him in the arm said, we've got this. this is the plan and you're the guy that's going to start it all So when it came to his inheritance, because actually what we inherited, it wasn't just about Abraham inheriting millions of children, which he has. it was about us inheriting the promises of redemption as our told in the heavens. So just this last week, I literally went out and said, I wonder what you're gonna to do on a national level How are you gonna set the church free And what does it have to do? with your children of inheritance, what is and boom Maduro had been captured and taken back and it happened prophetically After everybody went to sleep, and before everybody woke up, it was the story that was in the heavens. I'll tell you another crazy thing that happened here a few years ago There was a planetary parade I remember that Remember the big planetary parade And that is a really big deal, notot just because there are planetary parades where you can see all of the celestial objects So there's seven celestial objects that we can see with our physical eyes And it is the sun and the Moon, of course. And then have then you have Mercury, then you have Venus, then you have Mars And then you have Jupiter and then you have Saturn So got you've got these things, right? And By the way, every day of the week is named after one of those So there's a joke in there somewhere. No You can't see Uus. Yeah, yeah. There is a joke in that. He He's in w I'll tell you later. This is w I started. Et timee I do a star party, one of the things that I'm famous for doing is they say, well, how can you tell and I say, okay, everybody bust out your driver's license? And then we put it out there and I say, put it right up against that star, right? This thing is the perfect length to be able to see this. guysuys, do y'all see that? And say, Yeahah and I say, And do you see that picture? They they're like, yeah, I say, that's your anus That's not very h but I think it's very funny. Sheay I turned into a seventh grader again. but should just have your son fly a drone. Yes. Yes, we should We should do that It's just a fun way to bring something funny in in the midst of this exploding head kind of thing,? But like the moon is named after Sunday and the mooon dayay, right? And then you go through, it's like, you know, Mercury is Wednesday, you know, in Spanish, it's miraculous or whatever it is. And anyway they're all They're all a different one of those seven we can see All seven days of the week are So we're all living by this whether Christians or Yeah. your language. We're in sync with it. Yeah. reggardless if we you know it or not it or not. Yeah. ye. Yeah, whether you know it or not It just either glorifies the Lord in your life or it doesn't But you're already in the stream, bro. You're already there So I go out I'm all jazzed because this particular planletarian alignment was not called a planetary alignment, It was called a planetary parade because it's in the correct sequence So as the sun is coming up, what is right above the sun. is mercury And then what is right above Mercury is Venus. What is right above Venus is the moon. And what was right above the moon Was Mars? what was right above Mars, was Saturn, was Jupiter, and what was right above that was Saturn. I'm like, will never see this again in my lifetime. This is nuts So I get up and right before the sun comes up. I'm out there and I've got donkeys and horses and whatnot, and I'm out there talking to them And they're like, they're making a noise. and I'm like glorifying God, you know, I love you, Lord, whatever you're doing today, you're changing everything. I don't know what you're changing, but everything's coming to alignment today. I go into my barn and I've got a TV in my barn And I flip on my TV and it says Roe V Wade overturned And I thought it was a joke I was like, can't overturn Roe v Wade In the midst of the most hostile government in the world against such a thing I like, you can't do that And it was And that was in the month of pride And it was also in the month of all the parades There was a heavenly parade And Roe v Wade was overturned on the day of And that's not quest nets Hmm That's not coincidence. And it was a fifty year Gibilee thing. It was a victory of the church It was there was a sign in the heavens and the huge majority of us actually missed it. Listen, ancient giants question it. Government coverns definitely question it. But paying a hundred dollars hundred for a phone That's fine. No one questions. What's the conspiracy theory here? The theory is you can spend a lot less for the same service. 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The whole reason everybody knows what the purpose of the Big Dipper is is to point to you where the North Star is, where Polaris is Be Polaris has no comliness. It's just like Jesus. There's no pizzazz, there's no fizzle. You either get it who he is or you don't It's like, whoa, it's not a very sexy star. It in fact is the fiftieth brightest star. So they're all numbered in luminosity and that's another way that God prophetically speaks Also, he speaks through the number of years that the light travels from us. on those are later revealed revelations that we had to figure out literally within the last century and we're still figuring that out But what you find is that it all lines up. It all says the same thing over and over again. So much fun But you wouldn't know. I mean, if you walked outside because you can't see the heavens moving because the earth is only rotating at a thousand miles an hour and we're twenty four thousand miles around. So we travel one thousand miles an hour And there happens to also be twenty four time zones They just anytime you see anything encircled in the Bible, it has the number twenty four stem stamp upon it. The twenty four elders around the throne twenty four thousand miles around the world, twenty four time zones, twenty four hours in a day It always represents something that God controls. That is encircled It's pretty cool. Okay. So if If you didn't know, man, I mean, you're out there like which one's the most important star you would think Sirius has to be the most important star because it's the brightest one And it is a bright man pajama. It's beautiful And that's the that's the word serious is where we get the word sir and sire from. It's from that star. and it means the big dog. That's what it means. So it's like, okay, cool And so it's like, all right, so we're going through there and u We're looking, you would never know unless you knew how to find it. How you would find it is you go to the seven stars. of what you and I would call the bigig dipper which is I said it was Kanis Major while ago and I'm so sorry Polaris, which I'm fasting. So you guys put up with me, That is not Kenis Major. that is the big bear And you go to the big bear, but we don't even call it a big bear. We call it We call it a big dipper, likeike what is that all about? What that's about is that when gold was discovered in eighteen forty eight in Mexico It became It was acquisitioned by the United States in eighteen forty seven because of a battle that happened in South Texas And they said, we want Mexico, We want California. They they said, okay, boom forty eight gold was discovered. So God kept the golden hidden until we owned it And that's another huge biblical principle. I loveo that But then all the forty nineers came across. When the forty nineers came across They walked and everybody thinks that they rode in wagons know, they carried their junk in their wagons and everybody walked Everybody followed the wagons. and at the back of every single wagon was a great big old water barrel. And so several times throughout the day They say, M, need to see the big dipper? I need and they all right, and they go get that dipper into that bucket and they drank it. Well at night, those hillbilly children would be laying there looking at all the stars. and somebody said, lookook, Pa, it's the big dipper and it stuck Ara major. That's why I've been trying to first. Got it. Thankks man. So sorry, guys, I'm sorry about that And So it stuck. and that also goes to show you how a culture can actually change what the picture is. and that's why you have to study it and go and look at it. You have to go say, yeah, but what has it always been hasn always been a big dipper. But what it has always been is there's been seven stars that point to the one that you otherwise wouldn't see. And the seven stars are the seven churches in the book of Revelation And those seven churches are also known as the seven stars. The job and the role of the church is to point people towards Jesus, not to build our own empires, not to do all the silly stuff that we do, but people ought to be able to clearly see how Jesus' Lord are seated on his throne or Polaris because we clearly point to that. And that's going on every single night. And the entire of the sky road is around Yes, sir. Around theorth. Another one of my favorite favorites too is the big Sine. You guys would know the bigig San, but what's cool is It's also known as the Northern cross. So in the northern hemisphere, it's the Northern cross And it looks just like a big giant cross, and it's huge Now, the ancient Celtics When they looked at it, that was, they said that their God came from that And they said, that's a picture of our God And they called it the wild Goose Chase And they're like, that's where the term of the wild goose chase comes from And they said, lookook, it's in the form of a cross And someday God is going to show up to us and say, lay down your life and follow me And we gott to chase him wherever he goes. So imagine how easy it was. So if you got like either one of you casts got a Celtic cross on you because most people that have tattoos have them a cross, but no. Okay, sorry. I don't mean No. Thank you. So but always go. ye, that's not actually a cross. That's actually a constolation Because a Celtic Cross is that constellation. And they go, o no. I say, Ohh no, no, no, the heavens declaare the glory of God and the firmament shows his handiwork. The God put that there. Imagine how easy it was for the Catholics to show up there in a boat. getet off their boat in the S of a Cross it says, Jesus says, foollow him and they go, ye, we know that. didn't know what his name was. That's wild. So they knew that way before anybody ever showed up because the heavens declared it. So You know, Daniel. Is he I love Dle. Is he getting this information? I got it from The stars. That's why he's writing it down. Okay, so Daniel is such a but you understand he is a prophet among prophets. Right And so when he's handed the keys to the astrologers And when he is handed the keys to the Magi, he's the guy that trains the Magi And four hundred and ninety years later, they're still looking for that Um When he's handed that, it makes perfect sense to him becausecause he's like, yeah, And this is a construct that is demonic It is a construct that is demonic and these people are horrible and they have done everything so bad to him. I mean, I can't find anybody in the Bible outside of Jesus that has lost more personally than Daniel has lost. He saw his nation destroyed, his family killed, and they made him a eunuch He lost his manhood He had nothing And after all of that, he still said I serve the Lord What a man. That's a man right there, buddy. That's a man. And so When he gets into this whole thing, what he teaches is within this Ungodly construct, he brings the kingdom into it. Because he's not a religious guy, he's a kingdom guy And a lot of people cannot do that, But Daniel pulled that off ten thousand percent And so he's teaching those guys, yeah, and you know that all this is all about a Messiah. And the Messiah is not come from Babylon. The Messiah is coming from Israel. And don't you know they thought Israel doesn't even exist anymore. At that time, Israel was completely destroyed. He's like, yeah, yeah, well they're going to get fired up again. And he gives the actual timing, four hundred ninety years or Daniel's seventy weeks, seventy sevens It's like, heah, he I know the timing And I know where the new Messiah is going to show up and you will find a sign in the heavens that actually declares that and they did. So they didn't just show up and go Wow, something cool has happened. They showed up knowing we got to go to Jerusalem And we got to find this new king How does the the tast of the Zodiac then because I know that there's There's a lot there, right? If we have ages and We have the wop of the earth and the procession of the Zodiac comeome on. I mean, there's a lot there to unpack that we've talked maybe just briefly scratched upon, but I know that that's A big part of what people are familiar with too is like There's twelve signs and is what this is where astrology comes from. And Well, if I said to you, Hey, baby, what's your sign? You'd probably beat me up and throw me out For the first part of that sa If I was asking you, what is the sign when you were born That's actually part of the clock And God invented that. The devil hijacked it But you know, as a famous Christian artist once said, why should the devil have all the good music, all right So going back to we were talking about Moses set up the tabernacle according to the twelve signs. He set that up. And for anybody that's looking, if you'll go to the O King James, do a Google search, look up the word ensign. You'll find that verse. It has the word ensign in it and it actually means that they had the emblem of a constellation upon their tribal standards So they set up their standards, you know, Dan was Scorpio, you know, Judah was Leo and so on. And they set it up with a standard, a flag that represented their flag, but it also had a constellation on it. So it's The first understanding that I would like to give everybody prophetically just the prophetic version of what the signs are, it has to do with tribe. It's a tribal thing Now, anytime that God does something with a number twelve, it has to do with government The biblical prophetic number for perfect government that God rules and reigns is twelve. So anytime you see anything government wise that God perfectly rules and reigns, it's got a twelve on it. There's twelve tribes of Israel, there's twelve disciples, there's twelve hours in a day, there's twelve hours of a night, all these twelveves all the way through the worord of God, there's twelve major constellations within the heavens because the Lord rules and reigns Rher these other deities and entities and little G gods think that they rule in reign, they might have temporary dominion over a territory, but they don't actually rule in reign. Okay. These twelve tribes, they've got these twelve Cstellations on their standards position the way that Moses told them to pack up So it's tribal So it is real that at the time and the season and the day and the geographic location that we are born to, the Lord has destined us to be part of a tribe. And we all have a place. We have a place within the whole family of God that is actually tribal. there I can tell when people are of my tribe I can tell that. And I meet them all throughout the world And people can think that that's hokey if they want to. No, no, you have a tribe. You do. And you'll see when you get to the gates of heaven, and by the way, there's twelve. gates. So you're going to enter in through one of those tribal gates You are of a tribe in heaven You don't pick a random gate. You will go through a gate that represents one of the twelve tribes of Israel. You and I have been adopted into this family and there is truly a tribal portion of this. that God has aligned So if I was born in December So the tribal sign is known to the Greeks and to us as Sagittarius Okay And what that means is it doesn't mean that you could see that on december the sixth That doesn't mean what it means that the sun was in it Okay. So If the sun, as the sun travels through these twelve different const constellations on this great ecliptic through the heavens. The Bible says, it's like a bride groom who runs a race and he comes out strongly, it says. It's talking about the son He says, and I have created for the son a tabernacle who runs his race going, let's get it on. I want to get this thing done. let's get married, let's get it on. And it's actually the story of redemption So in the story of The constellation Sagittarius, what you find is he's the one that defeats death. He's meant his entire life. his entire story is about redemption and defeating death And what I find is I find that that's true to me. Now that doesn't mean that I'm defined by some bunch of cluster of stars at all. I'm defined by the Lord Jesus Christ U and no no kind of Anything in a zodiac in the Mazaroth can tell me who I can be friends with, who I can't be when I can do that because that is the doctrine of demons But I can tell you that there was a prophecy when I was born that That is a tribal part of the whole grand prophecy of how we will all be redeemed And I claim it. And I like it And the Sagittarius is all about the arrow of deliverance. He's aiming at Antterres, which is the heart of the scorpion. And that's the arrow of deliverance. Well, dude, the Lord has raised me out to be a deliverance I'm not saying he wouldn't have if I wasn't born in a Sagittarius. I just like that it speaks the same thing. I'm like Yeah, I could have been born any day. I was actually a premie when I was born. I just weighed like three pounds when I was born. I've since gained weight. I don't know if you've noticed that. but But so what happens is as the sun goes through the twelve different constellations, it tells a different part of the story in a perfect progression that God wants us to understand the progress of it It's where it ends with the return of the Messiah So you guys wantan to go through the Zodium? Yes, Yes. ye. You wantan to do that? Yeah,' I just I just want to ask one question about the twelve tribes. What do you think the purpose of that is? Is it like twelve different? Like personality. I mean, what what is what is that to too me it's like members of the body One's got a function Another one's got another function for the whole body And and again, it's definitely God's idea. It's not mankind's idea to have trials It is God's idea. And there's supposed to be a brotherhood in it. There's supposed to be a fraternity and a brotherhood with in the Redeemed place. And we're not the tribes are not supposed to be at war with each other because we're all part of the same heavenly cause It's just we have a different spin We have a different We have a different priority, a little bit different lands and our culture is a little bit different. That's part of the diversity of the house of God and it's supposed to be celebrated. Yeah. My tribe likes Meican food No m Where did the Redheads go? This thirteenth tribe live on the outskirts. they stick them. I'm araid they ended up at a northern camp where Gan was and then they don't show up in the book of Revelation. You know, that tribe completely disappears the book of Dan does. The tribe. Yeah, it doesn't Whenever you get the twelve tribes in the book of Revelation, Dance N not in it. maybe got a little more return and goes by Daniel now. Yeah. There's a big story of the chiseled redhead on the cliff and the camel skin though. Yeah.' get a real story. wont. Pe People will argue that David was redheaded because he was ready. Really? Let's go. They would argue that David was was they made fun of him because he was quote unquote ruddady. And one of the interpretations of that is he was red headaded. They made fun of him for his redhead. Maybe that is it actually That kind of makes. That happens on our show. That's how you learned how to sling very well. That's what he did. Let's go through the Zodiac before we get off the rails completely. off. Soah it doesn't take very much out in space, you know I'm just gonna to go through. I have a book looking up shameless plug There we go. looking up. And it goes through all of this in great detail You'll like this, Luke. It has pictures. Oh, perfect. Yeah. so I can color it. That's it better. No it's dirty colored. that. You like that. Okay, so So I want to tell you, it begins at a place and it ends at a place That is absolutely counter to what the newew age says The new Aes It begins at Aries And it ends at Pisces. That is not true And if you follow any kind of horoscope advice You are following a narrative that is wrong and it's designed to keep you out of timing It's really bad because Deuteronomy twenty eight defines a curse as being out of time. He says in the morning, you will say I wish it was evening and in the evening you'll say I wish it was morning When you don't have kids, you wish you did and when you have them, you wish they were out of the house. When they're out of house you'll be miserable because you wish they werere aboutad.. When you're single, it's the whole thing. So everything will come to you because God keeps H promises, but you'll miss all of them because you're out of timing That that's the curse. Where doess it begin then It begins with Virgo the Virgin And I want to tell you the ancients knew where it began and they also where it began. and they also know they also knew exactly where it ended. And I'll tell you why. I'll tell you how I can prove that. the sphinkx The spinx that stands out in front of the astrological structures has the face of a woman and the body of a lion. and the name spinx means to join together That's where you that's where you you kn not the zodiac. Uh in one of the ancient temples in um What's his name? I'm trying to think what the name of that. What was the name of the guy that was on Johny Carson that used to What wass the name of that guy? so funny Y'all had before my time Yeah had this before your time forget y'all y'all are young. It's got a sock solder than you. You do. So Karnac. Karnak, he'd come out and he'd have an envelope and he'd say the meaning and then he'd open up and it' be something funny. a funny question, right? Temple of Karnak. The temple of Karnak has the ancient Dondera inside it. They have the ancient Zodiac and they have the sphinx between Virgo and Leo And anybody can look it up. So the ancius knew where the story began and where the story ended. Part of the hijacking was to change the timing on it. and that's always an Antichrist thinging. He seeks to ch he seeks to change the times in the seasons So if you listen to any kind of horsecope, Not only are you listening to the cououncil of hell, you are coming into agreement with the timing of hell and that is so dangerous. You don't want nothing to do with that Yeah. So it actually begins with Virgo And Virgo tells us there will be a Messiah who is a human being And he will be born of a virgin and it begins the seed war So it's Genesis three is that whole constellation. If you look up the names of the stars And if you look up the supporting constellations, it tells the whole story. Wow All right, from there, you go to the scales Right So the ancient people looked at that and they knew that they knew that story. They didn't know when, where But they but they need the story Could they read it like I think many people could read it. I think that in places where there was other religions, it was suppressed like it is in our religion. It's like, you know, the church actually suppressed the entire world from knowing the Bible by putting it in Latin. It was the same exact thing that the other religions of the world did. when they begin to hijack the narrative That's I always That also why we see like O nations having mythology around virgin births and things like that as well. Yes. It seems to mudd muddies the waters, but it's on everybody's television screen every single night. Yeah. And that's why it shows up all over the world because the word was going out And if I can before I finish this, I got a I got to I got to tell you a word this says is Psalmss nineteen. versus one through six This is the word of God It's what the book of Psalms says. The heavens declare the glory of God, and the firmament shows his handiwork Day in a day utter speech night in night reveals knowledge. By the way, God speaks different in the daytime than He does in nighttime. He utters speech to you in the daytime and he reveals knowledge about him in the nightime That's his plan. Because night time is about intimacy. Nightt time is about looking outward. That that's why we dream stars during the daytime. Yes dreams as well R on. So he reveals himself at night time He speaks to you in the daytime That's his plan. You guys digging that? Yeah. Okay. There's no speech nor language where their voice is not heard. Okay. Then it says their line has gone out through all the earth and their words to the end and their words to the end of the world. What is their line? It's the ecliptic. It's the imaginary line that the sun passes through Now we're going to talk about that because Verse five says in them he has set a tabernacle for the son, which is like a bridegroom coming out of his chamber and rejoicing like a strong man to run his race, its's rising is from one end of heaven and it's circuit to the end. and there is nothing hidden from its heat or its passion. So he says If you want to know what the passion of God is all about It's like a dude that wakes up and says, todayoday's my wedding day. The day belongs to her. the night belongs to me, and I'm going to tell you what the plan is because I'm passionate about it. And he gives the plan and it's that we're all redeemed And he reveals that through the twelve different constellations that the sun has drawn its line through And the Bible says that and sauce that tea. So the first one is Virgo. That's where it startarss offied Seed warar. Virgin birth going to be a hundred percent human being who is one hundred percent divine. Second one is he's going to be a reedeemer the The scales He's going to set the slaves free He's got to be redeemer Okay, how's he going to do it? The next one is the scorpion. He's going to take on death in hell. And he's going to pay the price. he's going to die The next one is after that, he's going to rise up from the dead and overcome death for all times, Sagittarius The one after that is really weird And the one after that is Capricorn. And it took me a long time to understand Capricorn. I was like, that's so weird. The sea goat. What the heck is that all about? Why is there there's no such thing as a sea goat. Why is the first part of it a goat and the second part of it a fish? This is where we get into the church age And what's happening here is the first part of the picture is A sacrificial animal And he's always laying down his life. He's always bow his head and his legs are foaded up underneath him The second part of him is a living fish that is squooshing his tail. He's saying this out of his body will come a whole new body And that's us The next one after that is Aquarius. and he's like, and I will pour out my Holy Spirit Bn Olo. The next one after that is Pisces. and there will be a new band of covenant. between so Pisces is a vertical fish and a horizontal fish and they have a band of covenant between them That is The Jews and the Gentiles, it is the Old Testament and the New Testament. It is the one newew man. It is it's all coming together. And then the next one is Aries and Aries, the stars in Aries, you can read it out, say, your kingdom come, your will be done So this will be the job of this new group of people that come out of the body that Jesus has given up This new body that comes out is now empowered with the Holy Spirit and now they have a perfect covenant with God and they have the worord of God and their job is to bring the kingdom. And then we leave the church age in the heavens, which is the fish part of the heavens And then we come into Taus the Bll Fororst Bull is always seen as halfway. You can only see the first half of him because he's breaking through something. It is the unstoppable momentum of the prophecies of Jesus that He is coming back and there's nothing anybody can do. U The brightest star in Ts the Bll is his left eye And it's called Al de Baron. and Al Baron is his left eye and it's this when Every eye shall see him So when Jesus is coming back in his neck in the neck of the bull is Plades, the seven sisters And if you take the constellation Pladates from our perspective And you get an old school map in the back of your Bible of the seven churches in Asia and you overlay it in matches. W. That' wild. There's there's something even wild wilder that goes with that It's not Perfect, but I mean, it's unmistakable It's like, oh my gosh threeree of the seven are perfect and the other three are off a little bit, but it's like, oh my gosh, You gott to be kidding me. Except for there's one missing Like which one is missing One of the churches that God Almighty spoke to, he said, If you don't get your act together, I will remove my candlestick That's what he says. The very church that that represents In the heavens, there used to be a star for that. It's always been known as the seeven stars, plladies But about fifteen hundred years ago, it got super bright and it disappeared. Its candlestick was removed And it represents the same geographical location upon the map Come on Bother. All right, Troy. All right Yeah man, we all got to do a star party together. I'm in. nextext time you guys come out to Reddemption Ranch, we'll do that. I just I used to love planetarians as a kid The one that is after that The one that is after that It's so crazy cool Now remember Al the Baron means every eye shall see him, right? And it comes back. when Jesus comes back, every eye shall see him. The next one is Gemini And it's just when we see him, we shall beock him It's the twins We won't be able to tell the difference between our righteousness and His righteousness, our holiness and His holiness His love for the Father and our love for the Father, when we see him, we will be like him. And then the next one is the other weirdo one and it's Can of the crab. A crab was basically vermin to the ancient Hebrews. So there's no way that it was originally a crab I don't know what it was, but they got the claws right. And because the stars within it, means the possession. And what that means is this Jesus come back to us When we see him we'll be like him, and then hisis holiness be our holiness, Jim and I, we're going be twins. and we will be hisis beloved possession. orr in the book of Revelation, it says, He shall hold us in his hand and none shall pluck us out. Where's possession? Nothing. ourur salvation is never on the line again It's over We have been exalted with Him and seated with him. It's over and there's nothing you can do about it. And then the last one is Leo, the lion of the tribe of Judah ruling and reigning forever and more And that, my friends is the Zodiac. There it is Iard a quest On the Zodiac, so we also know that each there is a primary constellation for every age. And we were at the end of an age quite literally in the procession of the equinox for someone who wrote a book about the stars and who follows it quickly, what is that For you, what does that mean prophetically or? literally or for someone who Biblically, we've la you've laid a great case out for the stars Reveal the knowledge of God. that he uses them for signs and for seasason and for timing if we are coming to the end of an age of the primary constellation And it's going to be a new one. What's happening What do you think? I mean, obviously, this is the calendar is, of course the he the sun calendar is the Gregorian calendar. Yep. We all live according to that. The moon calendar is the Hebrew calendar And it goes off the moon and doesn't go by the sun and it begins at night and it doesn't start at day because that's when you can begin to see the moon But then the whole other is the astro calendar. and you're right. we are You know, they started singing fifty, sixty years ago or at the dwnning of the Age of Aquarius. We're still another thirty forty years off from that. So if Star spepeak is happening. and if we're moving from on the calendar from Aquarius, then that means that we're moving into Pisces. And I think that by the time that we move into Pisces, there's a really good chance all of this that we know is Don Jesus is coming back soon And we're coming into a whole new place. The one new man is completely fulfilled through the image of the vertical and the vertical and the horizontal, heaven will invade Earth And it's all the same. The separation is gone So think prophetically this that's the I think that's what I think It's crazy. I love it I mean, there's at least another question that we talked about about pre pre roll I want to ask you about. and it's that oftentimes in the Bible in the scriptures, the stars are equated or with the sons of God or with angels. like the that they're representative of that or that they are literally that. That's obviously something that's debated, but What about what about the angelic Um onene to one a representation of angels and stars. Yeah, where I would different from a lot of really brilliant people that you've had on here is that it's not all natural that there is actually a star class of angels. And there's also a constellation class of angels L could be The hosts of heaven are angels armies, and that is true, but another understanding of the host of heavens is constellations So if If on the day that Jesus was born, the Lord shows up in Sepherd's field, which is the same place where David had been a thousand years before and shows up and he specifically sends them to the place where he's lying in a manger in swaddling clothes, which that place would be a place called the Tower of the Fock and everybody just look up the Tower of the flock. In fact, there's two prophecies in the Old Testament, the last one in Malachi that says, The Messiah will be born in the toower of the flock. It gives to the square foot where Jesus was born in Bethlehem And the toower of the flock was something that Solomon had built and he'd built it in that field that his daddy, David was raised in, and he made that field the field that you look for the lamb for Passover And so what you would do is when you found the lamb There was without without spot without blemish. You racked him up and you took him to a stone major. You actually took two. You took one anyway, I'm just going to say you You you just took this lamb. you wrapped it up there And then you lit a fire at the top of the tower and you let the priest know we found the lamb We found the lamb for the rest of the year And so when those priests heard Because they say, where we find him? They don't give him real estate. They give him a strange thing. They say, you'll find him wrapped in swiling clothes lined in a manger. Well, they knew exactly that means Oh, he's the Passover lam That's what that means. And they knew exactly where you go to go do that. which is the Tower of the Fock. I think that the reason why Joseph and Mary were in the Tower of the flock And you're like, well, the story is he was in a place where there was animals. Yeah, I believe his sheep. I believe it was lambs And it was because there was no room in their family's house. The only place that made sense where there were shelter Was this toer the Fock And so But the angels that showed up to them showed up as the host of heaven And that's a constellation thing That's not an army thing to me. That's a constellation thing. They showed up as the story of redemption and shown these shepherds knew the hosts of heaven. That's all they That's all they had to do all that long. And they knew that So also too whenever in the book of Job where God says, whereere were you when I sang with the song when I sang with the stars Where were you? I think that there's also a star class of angels as well And then I think the sons of God are even different from Authur that How's your brain, Nate? It's broken Blown out, so' mine. I feel like you've got u, I mean all of us are Our heads are spinning just like the constellations trying to like unmap. I mean, I think it's interesting that you got into this before It is Christian. It's just God setting me up, man. It was just God set me up. He's been so good to me And then the and then again, and because I was As I became biblically learned, I was still church ignorant. Yeah. I've pastored to church now for thirty years, but I wasn't churched, you know? So I didn't know that these things were taboo. I thought, yeah, everything in the Bible was numbered. so you look at all the numbers and figure out what God's saying. the stars, the heavens declaare the glory of God. Yeahah, yeah, time. lookook at what God so Those things were just very interesting and fun rabbit trails to run down and now I find myself being an old guy. and going to actually have an audience for this now and and it's like It's like everybody's caught up With where I was in the eighties Not that I was in any deep or profound place, it just made sense to me. And I'm sure that the things that I've said is very rudimentary to a lot of your listeners, like, yeah, dh but It's like now there's a place to do this. And this I told you guys at the conference, we needed this, we needed you guys to do this For' so many of us, man in the body of Jesus. We needed you guys to do this And now you have a bunch of illegitimate children, including my show. You know, which is on blry stuff. And you know, I don't know if Tony started before you guys or after you guys, but a whole bunch of my friends, you know, we all kind of consider ourselves illegitimate children of what you guys started and you weren't even trying to do it. M God, just well done, guys. Thanks man. Thank you do you ahead? Well, I was gonna say Yeah, thank you. Okay, so how do how would you describe like looking at the stars from a Christian perspective versus a non Christian? And then you kind of touched that in the episode Yeah. the hero basic. The hero in the heavens is Jesus That's the only hero All of it, it all speaks of Jesus. And when Jesus says, the scriptures do testify of me, He means I am I'm the hero of the Scriptures And when I see the heavens as scriptures before it was in the book. It's no longer being written in a book, now it's being written in our hearts So the Bible is still being written today, but it's being written within our hearts. And the Bible says, when we stand before the king and that light shines on us and the books were open. We are those books We're all part of the library. You know, the Bible, the library, that's what Bible means is the library And so to me When I look up, the hero of the heavens of all the time, all the space, all the matter, all the stories, all the drama All the details within the handiwork of God, all the hero is Jesus That's the difference I think my last question, Troy is like for us sitting here today, most people probably don't really pay attention. And most people, would would say probably live in a place with a lot of light pollution. don't have a lot of visibility for the stars, but you paying attention Yeah. well You have a computer that you can look at every single day now that the whole world didn't have and with great detail And really fun stuff. I mean, I've got five phone apps whichich I'm going to come out with my own app. I'm actually trying to find somebody to do that for me. It has my own star map. that has, you know C cllick on it, this iss what I have to say about it. Youa you gotta But I've got all these apps you and you just point around and it tells you, even in broad daylight, it'll tell you what stars are there. It'll tell you what's going on And that's that's really fun. But I think I would' people want to start out, This is meant, all my books are like profound thingsings for dummies because I'm the guy writing it. So it's like, I'm not educated and I didn't go to college or anything I just, all of my books are like for the fundamental understanding of how to get into the deep stuff And that's a fun way. But there haveve been tons of people that have written much better books than my book on how all of this works and they're out there everywhere. And I started off with a fifty pound head, E W Bullinger EW Bulliger had a mama that didn't love him and named him Ethelbert And the brother went by EW, I'd have gone by EW too. Eelbert's one of the worst names I can possibly think of. That's horrible. trarain wreck. What a train wreck of a name But in the late eighteen hundreds and early nineteen hundreds, he wrote all these books on a lot of the things that I wrote on But they're like tech manuals. He's such a genius And he's so profound. It's many of them are about as fun to read as a tech manual of a microwave. And so when I came out with these things, man, I was like, I just want to show the fun stuff and tell the fun stuff that blows my mind and make it fun. so It's a good introductory way to get off into that straight Do want to bake your nood He over. Trobwer. com It's got a cassole ready to throw in the microwave. Well, thanks Troy It's been fun got to Yeah, we got to hammer out some fun fun stuff today and it's always a pleasure to have you in studio. pleasure to have you Larry Khon And we teased it on the last episode we do with you, but definitely some things to come Perhaps a blurry trip and and more So we're indndeed indeed. We'll still have to check the star maps. Maybe it' be if it's if it's ordained. Mbe it' be three hundred foot high pig being own If we go to a Rdemption Rch, that could definitely happen That's right. If we we might even make that part of the trip. Boy Brewer's got some legendary saloon as well. so there's lots of. It has been it's been Somebody said that. Somebody said, That's a rumor. That's a rumor It's part of the internet. If you look up the internet like how tallestroy how tallest Tro Burr, look at it up. says I'm six foot eight Oh Yeah, I've heard's like again back to Bravefright, I've heard. And it looks up, if you look up, what is Troy Brewer's net worth? This is a more thirteen something million dollars, I think If you look up all the things about Troy Brewer, it's just unbelievable the mess that is out there Paul Bunion. C can't believe everything. Troy Brew was sixty before Texas.. Everything's bigger in Texas. always five eleven. Yes, I'm five t in.. I know. I don't hit the eleven mark much. Shameful. Hey, its taxes are heavy these days. Well, thanks, Troy. Thanks manan. Thanks guys. We'll see you down there

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