Parenting and Building Self Efficacy

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I can't have other teachers because how will I know if I borrowed copied or twisted? but the Bible's the only book that I read the Bible a lot The car spun out the middle of a blizzard, and he kind of like armbarred me and the first words out of his mouth were like, Just h I'd really hate to know that if we died right there, you'd be going to hell. The history of our earth is so different from what we can imagine joy The Smithsonian if they found out about a large skeleton somewhere was to go get it. I'm gonna assume at least one person is right because if one person's riding bus paradon, it all goes back to the phall in cherm. And the problem with the modern day church, they had a very truncated view of the supernatural. This backdrop that is just pregnant with all kinds of meaning associated with this Mount Herman event And this guy defeects from the kingdom That's a big deal. We didn't start the fire, Luke.'s been it's always turning since the world'ss been burning. Burning. Yeah. And for us it was burning in twenty twenty. You just butchered that the whole lyic. You switched burning. turnurning. I don't know, didid I butcher it too? Well the flatter don't like that. You just played along was it was good. You just played right into it. You didn't st fire. Yeah, exactly. see It's just hype. you know, you got to get your guests ready. You got to volly it over and she's going to slam dunk this.. Well, that's not a vlleyallerm But butcher in this whole intro. bro. Ill give you a compliment about your brain and then it's been misfiring It's hard right now. You bring the sports knowledge to blurry creatures. I don't. eighties baseball, do both have. What is your always have that? Mine U, Bigfoot. I started with the Saskquatch. eighties nostalgia. I like emo music, Christian emo particularly Um Yeah ust I'm a little bit of a jack of all trades. I like a little bit of everything. Never really got into one thing specific.uch such a recck major answer I did Yeah, I was a rec major in college, so I used to love to watch you guys all the time out there. I was premed. I used to look out the window in my science class and the rec majors are throwing frisbees out on the lawn and I'm like What is a recc major? hundred Exactly. Listen, We are an important part. You want to learn You you become a PE teacher when you grow up You like run like ramps No, there was a lot of guys had really cool jobs in the rec department. They would get paid by businesses to take all the employees on vacation because people would just work horses. they didn't even know how to like They didn't know how to vacation So like this guy would come in and talk to our class, like, yeah, I'm a specialist. IBM hired me. I go in, I take all the employees, we go to vacation, I help them have fun It's like Dam job Maybe Jo O maybe a Jokeana. Or they run Yeah. Or you run like a resort in Jamaica and then take Thousands of Japanese people snorkeling, you know, they had people had these craz they had these craz crazy companies. the list not the dream job No the list of jobs was the coolest of all the jobs like, oh, I want to be like agg major and all the jobs ag this sucks and And then it was like I'm like, These are awesome jobs, so I don't Well, I was premed and here we are. So take that for what it is. All right, this is this is we have to do another intro.. Or is this still is still there? is the pre this is the pream. We're just' like the preamble of the we're gonna find the endoint It's going to flow. We're gonna to be great. Okay, I'll try that again. We didn't start the fire, Luke. It was always burning Since the world's been since the days of Mount Herman. Yes Yeah orr since the days of Mount Herman, That's right. We made that joke at our conference. but welcome welcome to the podcast Busy Gold. Author Nurobehavioral specialist and podcaster and we're going to get into a lot of wonderful topics. You're in the podcasting space. you know The wild and weird road the podcasting is. So thank you for coming into Blurry Creatures's basement. Hopefully this feels nostalgic to you Totally does. Wellll end I love blurry creatures. you do. It's fun also for me to be here. It's great to have you. We have a lot of mutual friends and we've done a lot of podcasts in similar veins. We can probably go a thousand different directions today, but I feel like, you know, we've been setting stuff back and forth on Instagram over the years and a lot of like I said, mutual friends. So welcome Blory Creatures We kick it off. We have to ask you. We know a lot about the big guy. But do you know a lot about the big guy? What are your thoughts on Bigfoot Well, I live in North Idaho, as you know, squatch, which is squatchy, right? There's squatch country. And we actually have a Saquatch figure hidden in our trees on our driveway. There you go But aside it there? Aside my husband did Okay. He likes it to scare people way up the driveway. because it really it's like hidden where you can't if you don't know that it's there, you could miss it, but then it catches the light just right that I'm sure a lot of people jump in their seats I've never had a personal experience with Bigfoot, but since the time I was young There's always been an internal knowing that a lot of these creatures are real So for me, I definitely I'm not a big fooot denier. I'll say that, but I've never had a personal experience myself I do find it interesting. I love all the episodes on Bigfoot. Yeah You're not an enthusiast like Nathan here. I am An enthusiast. you are. I get ent. I get enthusiastic about your enthusiastm. Yes. you like. This is where I'm at. This is how I've been for the last six years. It's likem I'm pumped that you're pumped. Yeah But I a lot I used to. Well, there wass a to watch of the shows where they never find Big Foot. There was a communication never finding Big Foot. He was on Rogan and he goes he had to hit a bit and he goes You know, I was at a party and I met a Bigfoot enthusiast and I was excited I'm a big fooot enthusiast, enthusiast. That's how I would describe myself at this point. Yeah, I mean, it's it's that's kind of where I was where where the nerds in the bigig fooot realm were so interesting to me because I was like, these guys are really into this. There's something more here You don't get that nerdy into a subject if there's if it's all fake and You know, over the years, obviously the conversation evolved, we started talking about covered up ancient history conspiracy theories that are just off the walls and But Creatures just seems to be like a good place a landing place, you know, weird whether it's angelic encounters or demons or you know dogman, the Wendigo. I mean it seems like there's some sort of when it material world meets the spiritual world That seems to be a good conversation. so that's why you know, we started with the big guy, but Um I'm sure we can go a lot of different directions with your story. Where do you want to start today? and you know, what do you feel Where do you feel led I think it's a great idea to start maybe From the time I was a really little kid I knew God was real And I didn't have that programmed into me from the outside in. There was just something in me where I just I knew it, I knew that relationship. I knew God's voice, I knew to press into God's voice. But I grew up in a family that was very culturally Jewish. So we followed the high holidays and my mom would you go to school and do all the things that she was supposed to do to look like a good Jew at school There were some things that stood out because no one was ever really talking about Right? It was like, here's what we are, but there was never like, who is God? What is God? How do you talk to God? Would you talk to God? And my mom would read me this bedtime book that had multiple pages that was just, you how you get ready for bed, like you brush your teeth, just little things to help the little kid get on board with the bedtime routine. But she would always skip this one page where the little girl was kneeling down what it looks like to do the Lord's prayer before she went to bed. She'd always skip this page. And I was a really observant little kid. so would W her skip this page over and over and over again. and finally, I'm like, M, whyy do you always skip that page Obviously I had to be old enough to talk. I think at this point I was probably around three and No beat whatsoever because God's not real And I remember that just hitting me like a ton of bricks because what it did is it made me completely lose trust in my mom. and I think I already didn't trust her for a variety of reasons. But when that happened, I remember just internally saying, God, I know you're real, just because she said that doesn't mean that I believe that by proxy. And it actually made me double down on that relationship. If she was gonna keep that from me It almost inslated this curiosity in me where I was like, okay, if you're telling me that's not real and I feel like there's this kernel of truth here, I'm gonna wildly pursue this relationship And I was a really curious kid anyways, and I felt really empowered and safe to ask a lot of questions And when I see a lot of clients now who were raised Christian, sadly sometimes there can be parenting inputs that make you not feel safe to ask questions. like we don't talk about that here. You don't want to be a heretic. So I'm really grateful that In my family, the very opposite was true. My dad's policy essentially was like you can ask any question. but it better be a damn good question. and you better be ready to actually go head to head with somebody who's really smart. And if you got yourself into a place in your argument where he didn't feel like you were actually giving a good argument anymore, he'd call you a simpleton and walk away. So I kind of was like, Al ready to have some of these more critical conversations with my dad I think that did help me on the journey that God was eventually going to take me because I've just to be inquisitive and curious without feeling shut down or ashamed. I think God can use that in really big ways. And it's one of the things that does make me most sad about a lot of the Christian clients that I've worked with is that they really have to kind of derogram in order to get themselves to be able to ask questions. example would be I can't even tell you how many clients I've sent to blurry creatures. And usually what I get is I mean, I'm going to watch this, but I don't think my wife can handle this. Like my wife I'm afraid to show it to my wife. she's going to judge me. So this kind of like, She's gonna judge me. I can't even ask questions. I can't even share this podcast like it's contraband, you know? Our podcasts contraband look. it's like prohibition. We're just dropping offough bottles of blurry at the front door. And just be like blurry. You gonna share the good word of blurry. Yeah. Yeah. It's paranormal prohibition. Is that what to say? I'd like that you just take that to the next level Life is busy. It's not the nineteen eighty five anymore and people don't have as much time as they used to. So what are you gonna do, Luke? if you need to have more time food on the table, how are you going to make it happen Well we found the homeome shhef is really a great great solution to that problem. Most of us that are in relationships are married, We spend the majority the time the afterno talking about what are we gonna to do for dinner? Especially when you have kids. this is Amy and I talk talking about, what are we doing for dinner tonight? What are we doing for dinner tonight? Since we found H home Chef, we found meals there were Easy prepare Simple, all the ingredients are there and they're delicious. 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So I think that's what's so interesting about Judaism and a lot of people don't know this is that a lot of people that even would self describe as Jewish They are more culturally Jewish. So they're upholding the identity of being Jewish because offten through family stories from grandparents, especially post Holocaust, there's this idea like it's your job to carry the torch of Judaism. And if you don't identify as a Jew culturally, then kind of our light's going to go out. In fact, when my grandmother She went into a surgery. I think she knew she was going die, but she called me before she went into surgery And literally the last word she said to me, just make sure you raise your daughter Jewish becausecause she knows was pregnant. I'm like, okay No problem so there's this kind of like guilt shame like don't let the light of Judaism go out behind all that There isn't really for many people, a concrete belief in God. There isn't really some sort of concrete this is what we believe about heaven or hell. In fact, I think for many Jews, it's something more like this We don't know what happens when you die So be a good person because if you, you know, basically bring they call the mitzvahas, if you do good acts to help people It increases your chances that if there is something, you'll go to whatever that place may be. But it's very open and general and in Judaism as a whole, if you track back all the way to first Temple Judaism, a lot of the rabbinical order is built around essentially constructive arguments, right? Like a lot of what you see, for example, in the Talmud is discourse, people going back and forth and arguing about the interpretation of this is. So Judaism in and of itself is a very argumentative, non solidified religious perspective. And I think that has carried over in the generations. And of course, that doesn't apply to people that are orrthodox or Hasidic, so like the people that you see with the curls and stuff There you know by being Orthodox or by being Hasidic, there's a lot more concrete like this is exactly what we believe with little flexibility. But Jews in general, it's not really spiritual. And I think that was something that I just always knew. I knew what my spiritual experience was And I knew that I could have this very clear back and forth conversation with God. So to hear that's not real You know, I think for some kids, if you really trust your parents The byproduct of that is you turn on yourself. Well, if I trust them and they say God that's not real, then I must be wrong. But because I'd already experienced a significant amount of trauma and say dishonest behavior in my early childhood, thankfully by the grace of God, I didn't trust them already. So when they said this, all it did was compound and send me on this mission to try to figure out like who is God and what actually is the truth here.. It reminds me a little bit we were talking about in the south And we're in the south here, there is a cultural Christianity here O people call themselves Christians, but And maybe they go to church on Easter and maybe on Christmas. they would tell you that. but I would probably blless your heart. Yeah, I mean, I would guess this it's more of a cultural thing. It's like, we do this on the days that we do this. Yeah, we say we're Christians, but there's know I'm not you want to judge any one' tarart but I would say by and large probably that's not there's not much more than other being culturally But it's but I think what you're saying is it's harder to become Christian as a Jew then somebody like in the South who's like, I'm actually going become a Christian versus like I have to kind of go against My whole Right? Like my bloodline. Yes. Well, and there's so much more to it because in Judaism, as much as I don't want to admit this, In Judaism, there is both implicit and explicit shame associated with believing in Jesus. Yeah. So I grew up on the east cooast in a very academically oriented family where even like as early as third grade it was like, what Ivy league school youre going to go to? You know? And like those will be the conversations that you have And it was very much taught to us that believing in Jesus was on the same level as being an adult who believes in Santa Claus and that you could not be a serious intellectual if you believed in Jesus. So I would just be surrounded by this all the time, watching people mock Christians mock Anyone that positioned themselves as a believer So some of that on While also being able to maintain, I don't know what all of that is. I just I know God's voice. So to me it was almost this, I could separate out all of the other religious pieces and I didn't come to know Jesus until I was nineteen, but I knew God the Father. And that was very strong for me throughout my life. You were contontrarian at a young age, kind of. Yes. I was absolutely. I was born to be Rebellious. you say that I go this way. It's required kind of for a lot of people that are in a stronghold where you have to push through and push through and push to actually find Jesus. I think a lot of people have a harder road. and a lot more barriers. And I was lucky because I actually didn't try to find Jesus. Jesus found me which You know, I sometimes I feel guilty sometimes when I say that because I know how many people have been seeking and searching and they want to have that encounter. So part of me feels guilty that without tryrying, per se, in fact, probably pushing against it at that age Jesus still came to me When I was nine years old what seemed completely out of the blue, there are other things that I'm sure we'll get into in this podcast that led to trauma that I think caused these panic attacks, but suddenly in age nine One night I started having really bad panic attacks And they persisted until I was nineteen. So it wouldd be like all day every day. reallyally. full blown hyperventilation. I'd lose my sight, I'd lose my hearing, I'd start to hear really loud ringing and my whole body would just shut down. And it really changed the way I was able to function in my life becausecause then you start to have panic attacks becausecause you're anticipating having a panic attack. R. So it's like this whole washing machine system just keeps going over and over again. And I was a really confident, self assured little kid. and then all of a sudden I became this really fearful, anxious kid that was like really shut down I was still doing what I needed to do with I was a high level athlete. so I was able to compartmentalize enough to pull that off But whenever I started to think about my future, then I'd have to factor in, well, I have to pick something that I'm able to manage my panic attacks. or they kind of became my whole identity. And by the time I got to college I started ating somebody that year that was a Christian, I'd never had any experience of even Christian people really like people that really ive believe, not just said that they were Christian and we almost got into a car accident. We spun out on the road. I was living in Colorado at the time. The car spun out middle of a blizzard, and he kind of like armbarred me. And you know, I was either, I think I was eighteen, maybe nineteen, I was like right in that little range as a freshman. and armbarred me and the first words out of his mouth were like I just hoof. I'd really hate to know that if we died right there, you'd be going to hell. And I literally was like, I'm what? did you just say to me So not only did I say, what did you just say to me, but the first words out of my mouth after that were, you can't tell me you don't believe in aliens. 'cause at this point it was like nothing was clear to me that these things were true I just didn't know how to reconcile it all together, right? So it was like I had these little compartments like, I know this is true, I know this is true, but I couldn't yet figure out how to overlap all of them, which of course is one of the reasons that I love blurry creatures because I feel like you guys weave those things together in a really profound, accessible way So of course at that point, I'm like, I don't even think I can be around this person anymore. At first of all, I can't believe you think I would go to hell. But then it kind of planted the seed like, do I even believe in that? I value this person, I think they're smart. How could a person that I think is smart believe this? So it kind of planted the seed of like, huh So I keep going on with my life. His family keeps inviting me to church and I'm like, no, that's not never gonna happen. It's super judgy. deffinitely rebellious. and one day I'm driving in a blizzard and I start having a panic attack and I pull over my car because at this point it's like It doesn't matter. W windhield wiperers on high, I can't see anything. I'm hyperventilating. I'm like this it's not safe. So I pull over, and I just so happened to have pulled over in front of a church called Cornerstone Church. This was in Boulder, Colorado. So pastor Jean Binder, if you're listening to this, which I doubt you are save my life, buddy. So I pull over on the side of the road and I hadd never been in church before my whole life. And I remember even in this moment of me looking at this church like Can I do it? I'm like trying to hight myself up. Okay, I'm gonna go in. I'm just gonna go right to the bathroom. I'm gonna splash the water on my face and we're gonna pull it together You know, Luke, we're always talking about the blurious creatures out there, but what about the most loyal creature? our dogs. And I know everyone out there who has a dog loves their dog like another child. and you gott to take care of that dog. And Rough Greens is here to help you. It's a nutritional supplement. 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It's the number one dog supplement pack probiotics, like we said, and thousands of dogs are feeling better. They're out there running through the woods. They're keeping up track with all the blurriers They're hot on Bigfoot's tail. And your dog could be one of them. so get going, get a free jumpstart trial bag for your dog today. You just cover the shipping. go to roughgreens. com and use the discount code Burry That's Ruffgreens d. com discount code Burry. Rough Greens makes any dog food better. I go in the doorors open. and even in my internal monologue, I'm like churches are always open, right? Like the doors are going to be open. So I open the door, okay The doors are open walk back, go to the bathroom, splash the water on my face. come back and you know, this little little old man beard glasses bald head is like, Hey How you doing like I'm right. L like are you from New Yor? I was like, yeah, he's like, Oh me too Is care you' Jewish And I was like, yeah, I'm kind of looking around the church. like, is this a practical joke? He's like, ye me too And I was like, that doesn't that doesn't make any sense You're the pastor, right? And he's like ye Yeah, I'm the past I was raised Jewish in New York, just like you He's like you want to come to my office? We can have a conversation. I was like All right So I sat down in his office and he invited me, ask any question that's on your heart. And that was like anything. He's like literally anything And we started to have this critical discourse dialogue back and forth I left feeling like, wow That was awesome Not only could I ask really hard questions, but he was willing to go there with me. He wasn't over emotional about it. He understood where I came from. so he was really good at relating it back to things like kind of pins that had already dropped for me to put it all together And he started to walk me through how All of the primary festivals and high holidays in Judaism kind of align with the prophecy of Jesus. So that was how he went at it in the beginning. and he kept inviting me, know, just come back and have lunch with me. So I just keep going and having lunch with him. And then finally, one day he's like, you know, you should come to church on Sunday. And I remember in that moment being like I don't know if I can do that Yeah. And I finally did, Th I started going to Bible study and got really into it. Like it was the first time that I started to just feel peace come over me. But I hadn'tet really given my life to Jesus And one day I'm on an airplane and I start having a panic attack while I'm on the plane, which is to me like worst case scenario. I had run through this scenario multiple times and I'm like, this is literally what nightmares are made of. So this starts to happen And I put my forehead on the trade table. I just kind of lean forward. and I did this like this If you're real If you can just get rid of my panic attacks I will give my life to you and I will never look back. Like this thing has plagued me ten years every day. Like just please, if you're real, just take this away from me and I will give my life to you I'm turning forty one in a couple of weeks. I've had this many panic attacks since that moment. That'szy For people who have ever had panic attacks, it can literally it takes over your whole life. I can't explain that enough. It ruined my life for ten years. So to in one transaction, spiritually, Be free That's a miracle. Yeah. It's a full blown miracle. Yeah. And from that point forward, my life was forever changed. And I do think some people that are listening, that doesn't mean that it was easy, that doesn't mean that I didn't have seasons of turnurning away. although I will say one of my favorite parts of the nature of God is that even sometimes when I thought I was pulling a thread and possibly disproving something, what I have found every time is no matter how deep you go always land back at an even more deep profound truth of who God is. So even when I thought I was turning away I was going right back to just a deeper level. And from where I sit now, a lot of those moments of letting my curiosity take me into potentially some dark places. I think God often uses that for select people who can handle being in those dark places without being overtaken by the darkness because there are things in there, which obviously, you guys interview people about this all the time on this podcast There are pieces of information. There' scrolls in those dark places that God's trying to get people to pick up. and bring together in a way that makes sense to people, because I think there's so much fracturing in the body of Christ. and then people just start arguing with each other. think about to me, if you understand what's happening in our world geopolitically, even for things like aliens and like exopolitics There's no better way to understand and piece it all together than the Bible. Full stop. The Bible makes everything make sense. I would argue you add the Book of E knock in there. Things make even more sense, right? I think that was removed for a very specific reason. The context helps the Bible make more sense. So much There's lots of things that do. Yeah, I think that we as Christians often say All things work together for good and the only benefit is because I just had to endure something hard. It's like, now you've learned trs of the trade.. You learn how the enemy operates. You were like espionage out there. you know, I love that. you're collecting a set of skills that you're going to use later in your life. All right, Lam Neson. Yeah. Yeah. And there's also like testing times too. It takes a long time for, you know, forty is a number of completion is a lot of. People have said to us, it's like takes time to learn these things. And I think and for those listenerst know what panic attack is a lot of people will call nine hundred eleven, the first time they have panic I think youer b. Yeah, I've had it. Yeah. feels like, yeah, I had a season F feels like someone's pouringot lava d behind your chest plate if you will, and it's suffocating. Yeah. And you debabilitating. You want to get out of wherever you are like curl into a fetal position somewhere away from everyone and it's you know, I think a good chunk of the population has never had one and don't know they don't how to relate to that. Regular anxiety is not the same. So just that like feeling of like slightly heart racing, is it's different And one of the things that's interesting about it And this kind of goes into a lot of the work that I do in mental health around self deception is no matter how many times you've had a panic attack and you know you've got all the evidence. this is not a heart attack Every time, your brain was like, but this time This time it's really hard to tack Those other two thousand times that this happened that wasn't. You can't rational this one. can't be rational. You can't rationalize your way out of it. you're like. Yeah, likeike the idea of impending doom and you're like nothing there's impending doom. I'm okay. It doesn't matter. your body You can't really switch and it doesn't You can't rationalize your way out of it.ot in the moment. Once you're not in the moment. Yeah, but I mean, as it's happening, you're like. I'm okay, I'm not dying. Wheny did you first hear about Jesus though that into your onlyn from those conversations with that pastor once I've found my way to that church. So to me that divine appointment of being led to the church and then it just so happens to have been ew that became a pastor. Like to me the The probability of that being a coincidence is probably zero percent. H haaving a panic attack right in fr of. And having a panic attack in front of a church when' never been in the church To me, that was kind of the first divine appointment, but really that whole year of my life around nineteen Yeah There were so many different things that I think God was using simultaneously, onene of which that same year, I became one of the first students of Dolores Cannon. And I don't know, has Dolores Cannon's work ever come up on your show before I don't I don't think so. I don't think so She's passed away. She was a very famous hypnotherapist and her whole thing was past life regression therapy. So I bring this up because certainly from where I sit today, I don't believe in past lives, but in that year, this is one of those you know potential turning away moments where really I think God was trying to give me access to things that I could make sense of later. becausecause I do think sometimes it's God's will for you to be allowed to go into places that really are the dominion of the Dark Kingdom so that you can kind of map them, right? I love how you're saying it's like espionage. It really is spiritual espionage. I was brought into this place not because I was, there to intentionally do harm to her or anything like that. because at that time I really had a genuine openness and wanted to learn. So the way I found my way to Dolores was also one of these divine appointments for this whole year, all these weird things kept happening to me were unexplainable. Yeah. So this was shortly after corornerstone church experience. I was walking on the Pearl Street Mall in Boulder, and I should emphasize Prior to this, all I wanted to do was go to the Olympics for skiing. and I had had a career ending knee injury shortly before all of this where everything that I thought I was going do just came crumbling down at once. So I was also in kind of this as dark Kight of souls as you can have at nineteen, you know, But I think for somebody that had really put all their eggs in that basket to be like, well, what's my backup plan? I don't never thought of a backup plan. So I was also just in this really vulnerable kind of dark place where I was trying to figure out Who am I? what am I even going to do with myself So I'm walking down the Pearl Street Mall and one day, this old woman with long gray hair, whose name I now know is Elizabeth, she started chasing after me. And at first, you know, I don't know if anyone's ever been to the Pearl Street Mall, but at that time, especially like there were lots of weirdos. So having somebody run after you was like, Am I gonna get stabbed or are you a hippie? L you know, I'm just kind of like reasonably on guard. Yeah. And she comes over and she says, I just have to tell you You're going to be Dolores Cannon's most famous student. And I was like I don't know who that is. so Yeah. And at that point, I hadd never really had any experience with prophetically anointed people So I was very skeptical at that point. in my life So I think I was really having a hard time even receiving what she was telling me, but she was like, you have to there's this bookstore right there. It's called the Light House bookstore. She's got tons of books. You need to go look at it. So I was like, okay, like thanks So I go to this bookstore because at this point my curiosity is because she dropped enough words of knowledge about me that I was like, that was really weird. Yeah So I go to this bookstore and I look at all these books and at this point in my life and frankly still today, I really don't like reading much. I know that sounds really ignorant, but I just don't I don't like it I'd much rather go to God and just sit in like prayer and meditation for four hours than read a book usually. So I grabb these books and They're like over a thousand pages each. like so they're like this, you know And I feel a bit silly saying that because my book is also I still have to read the cooker Cro I've returned the favor through my own book, which could double as the cattle bell in case you needed to have like kids don't know but also make notes these. You have to read them. You still have to read them. Yeah. So I grabed this book. so I feel like it's like pushing all these pain points for me and I'm like, u do I really want to follow through on this? These books are so long? So I grab this one book called the Convoluted Universe. I go home, I start reading it and like I said, not an avid reader you wrad a book I did write a book eventually twenty. I would write. I don't think it's like you're a student of information. it's just the way that you learn. Yeah. the way that I learn, it's like I always just feel like feels like reading is so slow So slow. Give it to me I do like audioobooks where I can put it on like one point five or two time speed. Yeah. that really upsets people when they hear that in my car. they' like hold into my brain? Because if it's too slow, just what I think what it is certain people maybe a little ADHD. If it's too slow, then you space out So then you're constantly reading the same information over and over again like, whyy dot remember I just read the five pages, what's going on? You just describbeed my whole middle school career. Yeah, mee too. So I started reading this book, but lo and behold, I cannot put it down. So for whatever reason in this particular instance, all of a sudden all of those previous issues gone. I stayed up all night, finished the whole thing powered through the whole thing. and I wasm just like, whoa talk about a blurry book. This is like as blurry a book as it gets. And again, I'm saying this not that she was speaking the truth I do think that she was in a lot of deception and a lot of spirits are able to act through people in hypnotic sessions. So for context, Dolores Cannon cataloged what was coming through in sessions. And basically, if multiple clients would confirm the same sort of story, let's say about Atlantis or about you know, something off planet or even about Jesus. She has a whole book about Jesus, then she would publish it. So at this point, I'm like reading through this and so many of these things had already, I'd already thought about them. I was already piecing some things together. So to me, it felt like, wow, someone else is finally talking about the things that I've just always known in my spirit were true So it just kind of started this fire for me. And remember that woman told me, you're going to be her most famous student. So I go on her website. I'm like, oh my God, I have to like learn from her She doesn't teach people and I'm like, well, this is ridiculous. So this is probably like nineteen ninety nine two thousand And I add myself to her email list, you know thenen you like hope you're gonna to get an email, not you get bombarded hundred. When's the newsletter? When' the newsletter com? When's newsletter, Like Is is she gonna launch something? It was like one week later She launches her first ever teaching program with an application process. Wow. And remember, I still have this kind of skeptical, slight rebellious spirit. So I kind of donon't do the application exactly as she's asking, and I give it this kind of like, well, you know, you're going to basically refer to the council of who you're going to pick. So like I know I'm already in I ended up going changed my life, but I think big picture, what ended up happening for me is From doing this work, I had so many interactions with subconscious becausecause her whole process is of course, to get you through past lives. And if you're listening to the audio, I don't believe in past lives and I'm giving the error quotes. I don't think that's what they actually are. Yeah. I think you and I were talking about it before the show. From where I sit now after many years of working with people like this, I think it's much more likely that our DNA holds bioinformation and there' certain people that may be more easily able to access the memories of their previous generations from their actual DNA. So think about it, thinkink about it like a folder that you could click.enetics? Epigenetics, right? So think about, I don't know if you guys are like me, but sometimes to clean up my desktop, I make aan up folder so then I have like a folder and a folder and a folder And it's just like all my mess.s like stuff everything in the closet. I have a cleaner house. You haven't your desktop? Yes. I do. It's like a rush That gives anxiety. Yeah one. Mine is like that, but probably times one hundred So if you think about it like that, it's like the all of this bioinformation that's like folders within a folder within a folder and some people are more easily able to access that. Does that mean that that was them? Absolutely not. They're just able to access it somehow. I think some people have more of a prophetic anointing or leaning that way and that allows them to access it. Sometimes, and I know this might sound a little judgy, but sometimes if people aren't really acutely intellectual and really aware and they're kind of more in the spiritual community, there's a lot of conversation about how maybe there are some sort of NPC in the world. I don't know if anyone's ever gone through it. I've actually heard some pretty cool teachings about this understanding kind of like who has the Sirit of God versus who possibly doesn't, especially when you start to consider someome of the Nhylen contamination So think about it this way. sometometimes if someone fits more into that potentially NPC character sort of model, They more like hybrid B busy is that kind of saying? Like someone who Either more like a hybrid, but maybe with this, it's almost more like the person doesn't have such a big personality and it's almost like their spirit isn't really there. So in a way, they're able to access these things more because there' isn't a dominant spirit or person controlling it. because I've seen people that are just kind of like, o, whatever like, I'll try, you know just kind of like, whatever. And it's like, they go under hypnosis in like one second where someone that really wants it they're in too much of a hyper arousal state emotionally, so then they can't drop in. So sometimes these people that Dolores would call them meat and potatoes people, they're just like a little simple You know, sometometimes those people are really able to access those things. I think because there's no intellect interfering with the process.ike there isn't something For a lot of us, if you were trying to put somebody into hypnotic state, which I do not recommend to be super clear. I think it opens up doors and portals for demons and spirits to come through. so don't do that. But let's say that you did or you had done that in the past, there are certain people where if you are consciously aware, let's say of what's happening in the room, like I have a really hard time not hearing small sounds around me So if your brain is aware of that and you have high level situational awareness, it's nearly impossible to hypnotize you because your brain's never fully detaching from your external world. But if somebody's already reasonably checked out and they don't have high situational awareness, you can put them under like that, you know, because it' just like a low bar. It is a l yeah, low bar. So I think some people are able to access through more prophetic gifting and then others, it's kind of more this NPC like They're just not that. present and aware anyways, so it's just easier to access it. But I think big picture, we all have that there. And hypothetically, I think it's important to mention there's God's perfect will and God's permissible will, right So example would be if I look back at my life, there are times to me that It's clear I'm in his perfect will and then there are times that he's been like, all right, like I'm gonna cover you, but proceed with caution, you know? So if I think about that, there's usually these markers when I kind of click back on. I don't know if this has ever happened to you. Do you ever have deja vu? Yes. Okay. So I have a theory about deja vous, which is when you do have deja vu, it is, I think God giving you a reminder that you've just locked back onto hisis perfect will because it essentially closes a loop of time Right? So God exists outside of time, and while we experience time unfold chronologically That's not really how it works, right? So God's the master strategist. He's, you know, with perfect and permissible. It means that there have to be backup plans on backup plans on We talk about this as in first Samuel. L we went through my Bible study, Nate because we talk about this is the Hyzer The famous Hyzer thing. about God forekew something that didn't occur, right? It was David' saying is, you know, is Are they going Are they Yeah if he comes down with a hand me over and the guy says, yeep that they will and he will. And David takes off. So none of those things actually happen there's these Telines that exist the go is fororeign news I just don' is foreknown, but don't don't actually whichich is really hard for us, as you say, like we've had time conversations here and it's hard because Tim unfolds for us to use say it chronologically, It's linear. It's moving forward in our perception And God is Yafa in the Omega, he sits at both ends. and so it's more of a people talk about this tower idea. that is on a tower overlooking the entirety of time. But yeah, I think what we're just to bring it up to say, hey, we've talked about this idea with Dr. Michael Heiser M most recently Troy Brewer, were talking about his the timeline stuff. Troy is awesome. Yeah. it was crazy to talk about memories. I was just I wanted to look this up because I'd heard this before, but you know, program of DNA, you can store four hundred fifty five million terabytes of information. That's four hundred fifty five exabytes, pergram of DNA. So I mean, obviously DN is tiny but I don't know how you have in your body It's another question Google here, but understanding then that like our DNA has this capacity for storage Yeah. on a level that we can't even really maybe even talk. I mean we kick that business every day with people who have to go back and heal trauma from previous stuff that's like curses and Generational stuff. we talk Genationations like Michael Miller and the Scottish contracts people made with the dark the darkness and like Oh my great grandfather was this abusive horrible person who was you know, ex secret societies, blah, blah blah, and did all these horrible things and then people get set free from that generations later. And everyone goes,, that's That's woo woo, that's weird, but We talk about it a lot. The whole field of epigenetics does prove exactly what the Old Testament describes about sin in eiquity and transgression. And I had this in one of my lectures years ago Listen, ancient giants question it. Government governments definitely question it. But paying a hundred dollars hundred for a phone That's fine. No one questions. What's the conspiracy theory here? The theory is you can spend a lot less for the same service. 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Then years later, obviously, many, many years later, we find that is between three and four generations. It's not one. it's not four, it's not three. It's between three and four, and there is this sort of oscillation. was in the Old Testament thousands of years ago. It think you said remind me of a Money Python When he's count to three for the hand grenade and he's like One, two, four.' like three, sir. It Anyway. Do you think that has anything to do with Why spirits. seem to linger in that three or four generations. beh likeike, you see ghosts that are like Th gener. Victorian. Yeah I think it absolutely can be. One of the things that I think is interesting. so going back to this conversation around time, right? If all time exists all the time, and one of the best ways that I like to have students visualize this is if you think about it, kind of draw a circle for yourself where on the left side if you put one dot is Genesis, right? So kind of go from Genesis dot halfway, maybe three quarters of the way, and then you put the crucifixion and then you kind of back Revelation up right next to Genesis, reallyally, time is actually built that way because we kind of we know how it started, we know how it ends. The prophets of the Old Testament are able to kind of go back and forth between different points,? So God's allowing them to leave their timeline carry information from the future back to the present because that's essentially what prophecy is, right? these people being able to momentarily not be time bound, at least in their consciousness and how they're communicating with the Lord. And they're able to bring that information back and put it into a physical document, right So when we think about something like this, if all time exists all the time, and this is where I feel like the audience needs to somewhat understand dimensions as well. And I'm assuming you guys have had conversations about dimensions. Have you gone into string theory and kind of what happens as you move up the dimensions? Let's do it. Be I think because we've talked a lot about dimensionality and that being know a scientific way to explain what the Bible talks about between first heaven, second, heaven, third heaven, these ideas of realms it's like semantically realms and dimensions can be equal, right? You have this it's just's just language. but The way the Bible understands or talks about this is in the idea of realms or heving. Well you have to. to understand sightings with blurry creatures because it seems to bend reality or portals. And so there's some people that stay in like a a very scientific explanation of something like a sasquatch. and then there's a whole other camp that goes But it did things beyond what any animal could do. So then the dimension talk came early on into our show What are dimensions? UFOs go in and out of dimensions. Bigfoot's phasing in and out of dimensions. it's great on one hand to explain something complex, but it's also highly frustrating. becausecause it's like, well what the heck is a dimension? You just hoof and you're gone, like But it still seems to be there. We just can't perceive it. It almost feels like more like a frequency than it does a dimension the way that my mind puts it together. Like it's just It's there, but it's not, I can't see it se like it's vibrated at too high of a level or it's a color you't see. It's just a little too emo So I think we can make it really tangible for people to do it. So this guy, he exists in the third dimension, right? Like I can touch him, I can kind of I can jiggle him around. big play on the down. He is a three dimensional being. this one, particularly. Okay He is a three dimensional being right This is a phone, this' is a microphone. We know that these things exist physically. Yeah. When we go up to the fourth dimension, we know that the fourth dimension is time Okay, so we experience time. chronologically, right? I'm turning forty one. last year, I was thirty nine turning forty, right? So we experience time and fold chronologically, but when we understand time but more specifically the space time continuum I want everyone to imagine the Earth, right? And I know that you know there's probably a blend of ferament people versus globe people. So just for now, imagine a globe earth, okay? I'm going take everybody back to math for a moment. An X y axis looks like this, right? So you've got your X and your y axis Now put graph paper over that back when you used to kind of do all of your little like graphing algebraic equations and stuff like that, right? So I want you now to take the globe Earth and you're going to rest it on that graph paper, The graph paper itself is going to bend around the object, right? It's not just, you, if you put something that has weight to it on top of this piece of graph paper It's not just going stay there perfectly, right? The paper is going try to move around it That is how Albert Einstein visualized the spaceet timee continuum. So whatever has mass, the mass of that object is going to essentially bend time. And the way that time bends will change our perception of how time unfolds. So I'm assuming you guys have seen an interstellar. Oh yeah. R the whole like time dilation, once they leave, the guy comes back. He's like even gone for twenty years. But for them, it's been like an hour. R. Well, I also think of the movie Arival. You know, that is my favorite movie. The circle. Maybe ever. Yeah. I mean because it's all about time Re and the way they communicate is the circle. It's Anyway, so don't add Gill That one's also great. He's thinking toombstone. He's like, where where's the time Where we that's back two three. We we go back to the oldld West. That's what we'd known. Yeah. No, I agree. Th those two movies have like a very great way of explaining that the human mind has a really hard time getting. Well, that's like when you go in different to like they talk about on the moon, like how much do you weigh? And if you go if you're on Mars, like how how long is a year? timee operates differently there because of Mass and gravity. Yeah, mass and gravity. So it's important for us to understand this relationship between mass and gravity when it comes to us experience time boundedness Before I go higher, I want to bring everybody back to the garden of. Cre Creed higher Creed higher? You can't go. I've been sick for the last few weeks. I was gonna try to hit that note, but Okay Yeah I'm I'm not gonna to make it, you do it. We'll let you do it at the end. Sh wasot. I could do that Yeah that was good. Do it. do it. I'll from the edge right now. I haven't say on the podcast yet. I have to save that for like episodes five hundred, five hundred. Okay. I'll be waiting for that. We we'll bring you back and we'll do do a little musical So one thing I want to bring up about the relationship between mass and our experience of time, go back to when you were a little kid. Yeah. o Are we there yet? Are we there? And your parents are like, for the love of all things holy, say that to me zero more times. Like I will snap. But for a little kid, the twenty minutes might actually feel like hour And for an adult because you are actually physically bigger, your mass is bigger. you experience time differently. As we get older, right time to me passes by really quickly. A year could go by in like the blink of an eye for me in a way that's kind of frankly sad. It is. It also perspective though busy.ike where you because you've lived another year or another twelve months or another fifty two weeks, it becomes the segment becomes a much smaller part of your overall life. and so the perception is that it becomes much faster. becauseuse I remember that like A thirty minute TV show when you were a kid was like, Yes, this feels like a really long show. And now you're like I spaced out miss lastess thirty minutes of. forty eight hours or whatever, right? I mean, whatever you're watching. church always felt long to me, like very long church can still feel long. Like a in a good way. Well, I think our church does worship for like what feels like two hours. in a good way. I think this is a good conversation because oftentimes people think that these Like UFO's have this sphere inside or something that bends it creates mass and then creates gravity. Yeah, gravity and then you' which creates gravity and then you're You're not saying that it disappears or goes It's a different type of travel. Yeah it's somehow circumventing what appear to be the laws of our physics because they are do not seem to be bound by time the way that we do because they're somehow bypassing space timeum. like the T tech video. It's like these things are doing things that we can't. Like the physics don't. You can't put a human in there, because it turned applesauce. It almost feels like the ship weighs as much of as an earth and then it just does whatever It's just it can bend It weighs as much as a piece of wood A duck. A duck. Yeah It's a witch burner We're very serious let's go back to the Garden of Eden becauseuse I think this is really interesting. In the Garden of Eden, We know before Eve eats the apple, right? They're in direct communication with God Then they get one rule donon't eat this one thing, which I think is interesting as it relates to how kind of the crisis of the human experience has unfolded over the years. is there tends to be a boundary that's given and then this sort of rebellion that's like wanting to push the boundaries. if you think of with little kids, that happens all the time, you're like, don't spill that milk. and they're like, but why? now I want tona kind of spill. really I' like, what what's gonna happen So if you think about going back to that moment, right She's told not to eat the apple. Obviously the serpent tempts her She eats the apple, and what is the first experience that they have Reizing that they're naked. Yeah, right? And God says, who told you that you were naked? Because immediately have their very first experience once it's happened is the introduction of fear and shame. And they hide. And they hide, right? Because now they didn't know they were naked before, but now they hide themselves. God says, who told you were naked? because obviously he knows The consequence dimensionally of eating that apple is they had their higher dimensional eyes, right? They were operating above the third dimension and because that God dwells high above the third dimension. So they were basically in God's presence in this garden. There was no separation. But as a consequence of eating that apple, they became bound by time and they then realized they were naked because then they were restricted to seeing in the third dimension. They couldn't see higher than that anymore Which is why then they're trying to be like, where are you? Because the separation occurred. This is also why when you a lot of Christians and really even just general people that feel that they'reorally upsaine and will be like, just rise above, rise above that issue, right? They're basically saying, look at this from a higher perspective. Don't just stay so focused on what's happening right in front of you in the third dimension And truly, this is the breakdown of our human experience as a whole is sheets the apple, and suddenly it becomes harder to follow God's voice because it looks like things are scary. Think about Jesus on the boat with hisis disciples The disciples had already seen him perform miracles and they see their bastter sleeping on the boat. They're afraid of the storm. What are they going do? I would like to think that if I had watched all those miracles, I'd be like, if he's sleeping, I'm sleeping. It doesn't matter what this looks like. I'm gonna go with I'll have what he's having. Yeah. But did they do that? No. No, they were overcome with fear and anxiety, waking Jesus. like basically, are you gonna let us perish right now? And he basically is like, have I taught you nothing Like, why' you wake me up What like do Why don't you have any faith at this point How could it possibly be that your faith is still lacking? And when Peter starts because Peter goes, Well, I got it and then he jumps out the boat the next time just walks in the water. But then he still doesn't make it. He starts being like, o question itself, right? Which just shows How we perceive the third dimension, really that is what causes us to falter because things look a way that is not the way that God's seeing it, right? So now that we kind of understand the consequence of eating the apple is that we are overwhelmed with only seeing the third dimension. We've lost our spiritual eyes. I think many people eventually get those back or are able to kind of straddle two worlds simultaneously. I know that's how it's been for me a lot of my spiritual walk is that I can see in the spirit, but I also know where the lines of physical reality are And I think sometimes people struggle with that. The spiritual eyes get open and then they start to conflate the two and they start to basically act like a mentally unstable person, right? If we think about this dimensional piece, And then we go back to understanding fourth dimension and what happens when we switch to fifth. Obviously, I'm not a proponent of smoking weed or doing any sort of drugs, or again, Ericot's medicine ceremonies. I think they're terrible. and I think it is very intentional and a plan of Satan that now we're trying to legalize and push all of that and call it medicine. because what happens And obviously, I have smoked weed before in my life. I'm sure many people listening have What is the thing that happens most there? Does time feel very linear when you're h down It slows down and And you can get lost in something for a really long period of time, right? You can get kind of like pinpoint focus on something. peopleeople are like, bro, what have you been doing for the last two hours? And you're like, what? I sweep in the same spot on my floor for two hours, right What happens when you ingest certain sorts of chemicals is our concept of being time bound, then it just gets distorted. So it's not that we are freed from it, but it gets distorted. I like to think so going back to kind of understand that graph paper We experience time unfold chronologically, but the way that graph paper functions, I like to call a sticky web where that is really, I think, and I know some of your other guests have talked about this, when people talk about things like astral projection or sometimes what happens in dreams I think that is what's happening in that fourth dimensional sticky web. So you're not actually going up to the higher dimension. so like roughly five to seven, which I think include kind of like lower heavens, different terminology for them. But I think best estimates are that the seat of God is in the seventh dimension or potentially higher When you think about that fourth dimensional sticky web, I think a lot of people get deceived into thinking that they're having this encounter with God, right? But what's really happening is that they're getting pulled into kind of this lower spirit realm. And just because it looks different than here, they think like, oh, that's God, this is a spiritual experience, but they don't realize that's basically the easiest place to have the enemy second heven. At least we're talking about in the sense of like jumping the fence. Exactly. You're like,, we can jump to the second heaven and people do have Bible says Satan masquerades as angel of light and these absolute friends of mine and people that I know have been like, Well, I encountered God. It was this bright light and it felt like love and I'm like, we did this way moreore than likely as not would you know, hate to break it and be you like, I don't think that's what you werere seeing or encountering because of what we know. and I'm glad you said what you said because I think I think people get anamor with this idea of like a shortcut It's a shortcut to have a spiritual supernatural in close experience But once you leave, constructs of this third dimion into into that second halfven or everyone to semantically talk about it You lose sort of the protections that we have here. and I think you open yourself up to all kinds of things. This is why people and people are trying to map these spaces now with DMT and whatnot. But I think people are the laser the red laser thing.s But the fact that everyone's having similar experiences to me is is someone who grew up in India or someone who grew up in Scandinavia or someone who grew up in rural America are seeing the same things, having same entities, talking about the same things 'ause it's it's real Yes. to me. It's not where you want to go. No, it's like theci it's akin to me like NDEs where the scientific community go, oh, it's the rush chemicals to the brain but I was like then why are people if it's nature versus nurture, why people who gre up in differentiffere places, but different lived experiences, different cultures, et ceter. see the same things, same conversations, same same stuff. It's because they're actually going. someomewhere, right? It's just a trap, right? And it really God is calling us to go much higher than that and to not get stuck there, which is why obviously we're supposed to heighten our discernment. We're supposed to know how to delineate kind of the light from the dark, so to speak. And many of the people that I think are drawn to those sorts of practices too open and they don't know. to create separation, right? God is a go of order and separation, right? It's separating the chaos, it's separating the darkness and the confusion. And there's really Frankly, nothing but confusion. in that realm And that doesn't mean that God doesn't allow some people access to those places to help others. I certainly believe that's true, right? And one could argue that even things like the prophetic I think the prophetic basically starts in the fifth dimension. but there's still this sort of dipping effect where I've been able to see things that are impacting clients in that sort of fourth dimensional sticky web to help them figure out how to walk their way out of it, right? If you've ever had anyone on the show that can essentially see in the spirit, and you know, obviously I've had Dr. Laura on my show. I've had conversations with her about this. When you can see in the spirit, sometimes you can see what either demon or spirit is actually interfacing with somebody. and even if they can't see it, right? they don't understand mechanically how this thing has access to them. So in that way, obviously I work in the mental health field That is a benefit for me to be able to see that because I can kind of I understand the emotional childhood wounds that are allowing access to whatever is interfacing with them. And God knows that then I can use that wisely for the good of the client. But if somebody doesn't know how to bring all those pieces together It can just create more confusion and it can actually put the client in a more dangerous position Right? because it's like it's chaos, right? And God has got to R Yeah think think I think the temptation is always to just do it by yourself. I mean, you can hop the fence and hang out in a spiritual dimension, but I think God is a good shepherd and you know it takes a long time for humans, his own disciples to really understand how to follow H long probably. Yeah, they walk with them. they were hanging out, you know But imagine, you know how long it takes for God to put you on maybe some of these missions that some people say they're on. It's not something you just wake up one day and you're an intern and then next you know, you get the keys. But I think the temptation in the garden and as always is I'm in charge. I'm in control. I can do this. I got it. It's like the independence and rebellion are. It's like your kid, like I got a dad I I can do it. It's like Good luck. I'll see what happens. Bizzy, can you for folks who are listening and where you know where in halfway into this episode, but don't know exactly what you do. Yeah tell them because know you've med your work in mental health and walk through your testimony your story. but I think that giveives people a little bit of a grid for no punintended to kind of understand how this is your work But I'll let you talk about that because it's as you talk about work with mental health clients and people to understand have a better understanding of what exactly you do. When you have a podcast, you do a lot of speaking, but What is the What's nuts and bolts of this? Nuts and bolts is I created and you know I hesitate to say I created. God allowed me to bring this through at this moment in time. Very much Holy Spirit led As I mentioned, right, I'm not a reader. I think sometimes Not sometimes, offtentimes, people who invent something that's novel, right? novel to our world hasn't yet existed at this time and place. Sometimes it's easier For people who don't, they're not operating in some sort of academic paradigm where they're starting to think in a really restricted way. Sometimes it's easier, I think, for Holy Spirit to bring something through to you because you don't have all these defenses up. You're not like, well, that doesn't match with this theory or that theory, right? And you're not afraid of being ostracized by people in your academic community. You've had I forget maybe What was her name? Jna Paa. Yes Passoka I remember one of the very first episodes I listen to of her is like what feelels like Forever ago, maybe like four years ago She was talking about how she was really wanting to pursue something, but she knew her academic peers were going to be basically coming for her based on what she was trying to pursue. So I do think that God will be strategic in who He picks to make sure It can come through with as much clarity as possible without being contaminated by some sort of of the world academic container. So I think sometimes that challenges people's paradigm. likeike, well, what are your credentials? And it's like my credentials are God and the Holy Spirit and Jesus, period full stop. There are those my only credentials. I shouldn't I, busy Gold, should not know any of the things that I know There's no of the world tangible way for me to show you how I got to where I am. It makes no sense But I think God uses specific moments in your life of trauma or hardship where you're kind of being compressed and refined through the storm so that He's walked out this journey in your life that in each individual moment, you're like, this sucks and this makes no sense. But if you can just keep going, if you can just keep following his voice, if you can build that emotional resilience, where for me now, The worst things are, the more I lean into him and the more I'm able to be Creative, relaxed, rejoicing. So I actually really welcome hardship because that's really where God's coming through big in my life. and it's been proven so many times over. There has to be this refining process. I don't think that I could have had none of that, and then the Lord could have just been like, Hey, I need you to bring this thing through? Beacause it wouldn't have mattered to me. It wouldn't have meant anything. I wouldn't have understood it through my own pain and suffering So I think there had to be the elements of real life lived experience And then God is a good Father. when you go through pain and hardship And you are struggling And you do get on your knees and you say, God, help me. L I don't know how to like What am I going to do My first child has special needs. I think I shared that with you and her She got cerebral palsy and her dad committed suicide when she was two because he just kept believing what the doctor said about her. And I kept being like, hey I know, I know, I've seen it. She doesn't end up like that. Like do not listen to these people, right? It goes back to that same garden of the Eden Right all of a sudden being like, oh I'm naked. Right? People now you people have this ability to speak Speak into what's going to happen right here right now. Well, based on X,YZ medical tests, she's going to have this problem and she's going to have that problem. And literally in that moment, I want to be like, I rebuke every word coming out of your mouth. And they thought in the hospital that I was blalloony tunes, right? They're like you need to face the reality, right this very sort of Bittling like, o, you little peasant. I need you to face reality. Like your daughter' is going to have profound Handicaps And I just refused and praised God. She's gonna be a stand upp comedian. I will send you her stand up comedy. She's hilarious She does have to talk with her with like a phone talker, but she walks, she's funny. there's nothing wrong with her at all. Just goes to show, right? He bought into that narrative. He commits suicide and what unfolds for the next roughly four years of my life was like, Tama after traama after traama. but I end that moment could have Just to screw it all. be mad at God, right? I could have But I jobed, I jobed hard. everyvery single time I'm like, Okay God I'm still with you. We're still doing something. I'm not going to back down. because so many people in my life were like, arere you okay? Why aren't you crying? Like arere you a psychopath? And I just was like, I don't know how to explain it, but I know that I'm going somewhere and I felt really steadfast. But at the same time, I was on my knees like, God, help me. how do I navigate this? And in one conversation with a friend at a coffee shop I remember seeing diagrams, right? So I' having a quasi friendly argument with her, but an argument nonetheless And I start seeing these diagrams and the way I'm explaining it to her, we're talking about what happens biochemically and emotionally when you get triggered, right? Everyone knows what triggered means, right? Like someone says something, Mbe they say something, maybe it's just a look, but you go from being either peaceful or neutral to all of a sudden. you know, face bright red wanting to lunge at somebody and it doesn't necessarily make sense. That's being triggered. I was trying to explain this to her and all of a sudden it was not me, what I was explaining to her even as I was like simultaneously observing it as I was speaking and I was like, whoa, what on earth is happening right now? Yeah And I was seeing all these diagrams and I just remember the Lord being like, go to your computer, go to your like Do not pass go, don't talk to anybody. literally go to your computer. And I wrote eighty pages, like just sat there and just wrote eighty pages of everything that I was seeing. And it almost and I'm not saying that he hasn't also met other people with knowledge like this, but the sense that I had of it at this time was almost like, thanks for listening. L do you know how many times I've tried to like get somebody to like open open this, like unseal this scroll And again, this is my perception of it. It was this like excitement of like I'm so glad you're actually willing to listen to this because it was like you had tried to do that before and people were like, o, don I don't know about this.. So there was this excitement and it really It changed my life forever personally because it made so much sense to me. And I was like, oh my God, this is everything. And to summarize it, going back again to the Garden of Eden, as a consequence of the fall, we're easily deceived by what it looks like right in front of us. And to be in God's perfect will, we have to be able to listen to God even when what it looks like in front of us looks That is the introduction of self deception. And the whole core of everything that I've done with Bak metethod is how to understand how the pattern of the world, right going back to Romans twelve two, do not be conformed to the pattern of the world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind When you are conformed to the pattern of the world, which happens from repetitive childhood inputs that you perceive to be negative That comes with very specific self deceptive messages that cause you to act against what God has called you to do o right back to what we're talking about with Jesus and the disciples on the boat. E in those moments, they were victims of self deception and they were like, We're gonna die. Wake up. What we all need to learn how to do, which is what God has had me pull through for all these years. It's been twelve years roughly of bringing Bak method into the world and turning it into now a behavior prediction platform. It shows us Exactly how what happened to you as a child distorts your perception of reality and gets you to quite literally not only act in counter to the fruits of the sppirit because it self deception typically directly counters fruit every time. So that's one of the things that God's Ha me Map, but typically self deception also causes you to justify one of the seven primary sins In essence, if you don't learn how to through that self deceptive message with the sord of truth with the Word of God, you will be triggered emotionally into doing things that are not only potentially not objectively true, but are certainly not going to put you into God's perfect will in your life And as a byproduct We have mental illness, we have physical illness because we're doing things that are antagonistic Not only the tr Godds called this to be, but our physical body, our physical mind.elf sabotage. Sellf sabotage, rightight seelf sabotage is a byproduct of self deception. If you think of like for me, my main self sabotage, if I'm not actively engaged in renewing my mind . I can do this for a few more minutes. like I can get this done, I can get this done. And the next thing know I'm twenty minutes late to the next thing. and then people there's always a trickle down effect. she doesn't value my time and I'm like I do value your time, but in this one moment, I really thought I could get this done in five minutes, but then it was thirty minutes because you know, I'm unaware of the construct of time. Yeah. Let me be ask something about that because my thought about the Garden of Eden is The sererpent tells Eve like God to really mean that is the goselolding out on you. and then is the stuff to be eve tone or stuff like God'sull anony this like because and that's So then if that's how The beginning of self deception sort of starts as we look at the of the genesis, if you will Genesis of Genesis. In your mind, then how does that How the interplay with like the unseen real and the things that we know, as we talk on the show all the time about You know, spiritual warfare, which I think is a blanket term for a a lot of stuff that maybe even spiritual warfare, right? can we could put that aside. But the idea that like we're spirit animals and we, you know are humans, or're spirit humans, we've got a spirit in ourselves and we interact in the spiritual real. We just talked about that. How does that interplay work when it comes to your work and You know, like being The enemy it comes to kill stillill and destroy is the deceiver, the accuser. And so in other there's, there's an input. on us as humans from the unseen realm. So how does that play into?, it's interesting it's rarely a physical battle. It's usually a mental battle. It seems to be there. Well they all They certainly interconnect with each other. They're all they're all interconnected no matter what you're Whether a person is aware of the spirit realm or not, That's something that's involved the cycle in which're doesn't matter're aware.ether whether you see it or you acknowledge it or not, it is happening The way so I'll break it down scientifically and then I'll kind of pivot it over to understanding how that kind of sandwiches, if you will, with the spirit realm. So in my body of work, I talk about something called the neurocognitive funnel. So on the top level, our perception of reality is up at the very top, right? And what we think we are seeing is going to determine how we respond biochemically So you and I, for example, we could go into something, we could watch the same exact thing based on what happened to you as a child, you might see something as fear inducing. And if I've had a lot of exposure to that thing, my brain's gonna to be like, well, that's not a big deal. right? Like I'm gonna stay even killed possibly. and then you would be like, By, did you see that? Yeah. So your heart rate's not elevated. You have real physical signals that you were in distress I don't What's true? Like what's objectively true? Well, what's objectively true is really the only thing that matters is what we perceived at that time. Real quick, because I think this is important for people because I think often when people are going into the supernatural, the blurry, a lot of things center around memory. You only encode what you perceive happened to you. And I think this is really important for people because what objectively happened It basically doesn't matter. because we don't imprint memories objectively.jective. It's all subjective. So what we think we see will determine how we respond emotionally. How we respond emotionally, that biochemical chain reaction will determine what we physically do Right When your heart rate raises, are you going to reach out and be like, o my go, Bizy, did you see that right? It prompted you to reach your hand out and be like, am I okay? Whereas maybe I would have gone in no problem and I would have immediately, with my brain pattern looked at you and been like, do you need help? Yeah, right? I'm much more the like, can I take care of people like you guys good? Because it's not that easy for me to be agitated by that stuff really all comes from perception So when we think about it that way, really, that is exactly what happens in the Garden of Eden, right? is their perception changes of a sudden they're like, Oh my God, I'm naked. Yeah. But what I think is really important also is God introduces really the first boundary. like All of this, just not this one little thing. R right? All of this, whatever you want to do, just don't is one thing. And what does that do? It plants this seed. It's like, but why Why would you say all of this, but not this one thing? So I think for Eve to have even been susceptible in the first place, there already had to be this like, but why, right? Becauseuse we are naturally curious. Yeah. So obviously Satan was able to capitalize on that and be like, hm, I know what I'm gonna do here In essence, when that happens, she eats the apple. now Basically Satan has direct access to us. to manipulate us, twist our thoughts, and again, get us to counter what God wants us to see, which is not specifically our time boundedness, which is why For a lot of the things and in my work with clients, I've been in the mental health field now for twelve years. I started Break Method and now this other company Predictive Mind which are now nationally accredited, right I trained therapists and people like that. But in these programs, the primary thing that we are doing is to map how what happened to you in childhood altered your perception of reality,? Because we each have like a very specific way that we perceive reality. And it it creates this sort of restriction. instead of seeing all that could be or all that God has called us to do, we start to really center our lives around staying safe, wanting people to like me. All of those restrictions, that is the pattern of the world Right? So we each kind of essentially have a different pattern of the world and what Holy Spirit reveal was what these five primary patterns are because there really are five primary brain pattern types. And when we know what that is, I can actually go to a client and show them You know, especially when they're Christian These are all the ways that Satan's going to try to manipulate you. They're going to use all of your insecurities, all of your memories, every time that you've lied. So now we essentially have a script. This is how the enemy is going to try to get you to turn on God. Are you going to do it? And I think the biggest piece, that's the diagnostic side of what I do, but God is a good God and God wants us healed and hold and restore, right? He didn't call us here to make us suffer, right Of course suffering is a part of a lot of the human experience, but there's no way God's going to put us in a situation and be like, well, have fun suffering. right? He's not just there to watch us struggle. He's a good God and he's going to bring through and modalities and things that as long as they do not go against the Word of God can still be partnered, right? And I think that's something that I've had pushback from a lot of legalist Christians. They're like, well, but if you're not doing this like only for Christians then like could it really be true? And I've opened up my books and said, hey because I've had so many pastors, priests Look at any of the things that the Lord has brought through in my work. If one of them counters the Bible, please show it to me. I'm open. But it hasn't happened yet and we're twelve years deep at this point. So I think this idea that like you can only do it this way I don't I feel like especially in this season, God's not moving that way. I think like he's there's a lot of revival, I think happening even outside of a four walled And I think God wants to be in everything.. It really resonates a lot with Like what you're saying the last thirty minutes is There's a lot of like people go, o, they expect us to want to talk about Sasquatch all the time on the show. I it's not it's not's It's about how you think about things. That's really what the podcast is about. how you think about things. Like I think that's Jesus as questions a lot because like get out of the mode and start to like personalize this, right? I think some of the adversion maybe to reading is It's just somebody else's thoughts. Yes. When do I have my own conversation with God Like Jordan Peterson says, you know, like the only way to come to original thought is having a debate in your head Right and I think there are a subset of people who do not have a conversation in their head. They just go. They just And they're not debating themselves all day long. NPCs That's what you're talking about, right? Like you're not You're not going, well, if I do this, that happens. Well,, you know you're not you're not going back and forth and then I think that's where the the creative and the originality comes. And then then I think that's where you meet God and he can speaking to go, Okaykay, now what do you think about that? And then it's like you move it from this human debate to a Okay, God, here's where I'm at. am I right or wrong? And this can all happen while you're driving your car? Oh yeah, you're falling asleep whatever and It does seem like when you have these complicated topics and you're running in these circles of blurry things, it's like, oh, you're not even You're like three layers asleep in the drain. Oh yeah. You don't even know how to have this conversation up here. and it's frustrating I think a lot of people don't even know that aspect of the character of God that it's acceptable to do that. Yes. Which makes me so sad that's something I it Totally. You've heard it said. You've heard all these things. What do you think Yeah,, you can't ask me that. I can't think for myself I can't have an original thought. R then they kind of almost like default and they're like, no, we're here for you to tell us. It's like, yeah, but you You can uncover my truth and interpretation through talking it through. right? I think people, a lot of legalist Christians, I think kind of like shut down this idea that you can and should ask questions and at least the character of God that I have known since the time I was little meets me in that place every time. As long as it's with a pure heart posture where I want the truth more than I want to foist my agenda. oripul try to manipulate God not be manipulated. but I think we sometimes In our sy lat we try to do that likeike, well, God, if If I do this, do do that. I do this that, you know, like But you can be locked into like seven, okay, here's the Seven psychology books I've read, and this is what everyone agrees over here. so I can't step outside of that at all. Right. It's called paradigmatic entrenchment, where you get into a paradigm and then you literally can't think your way out of it And the term I've used for it since I early twenties is intentional ignorance. because people would just be like, well, like how did you how did you do it I have practiced intentional ignorance because I also as a person who really cares about only speaking the truth, I can't read other people's books. I can't have other teachers because if something comes how will I know if I borrowed or copied or twisted, but the Bible's the only book that I read the Bible. Yeah, a lot. But do you get this thing where you have a thought, you've come to a conclusion, God's told you something and then you try to express that to somebody else and they go, haveave you read Such and such and such Yeah. And you're like No, but I came to that conclusion without that. Y. Yeah. So where did that come from How did people tell me to read all these books based on the ideas that I have? Becauseuse I didn't get those ideas from anywhere else? Because truth is truth, right If something is true There may be one hundred obviously picking an arbitrary number here. There could be a hundred different ways to arrive at that truth. But if something is true and you are rightly walking with the Holy Trinity, you will get to that truth and you will get there without having read a book from someone else that got there. But this is also where I think Satan can weaponize things There are often little pieces of truth and all these things that are certainly for sure of Satan whichich leads people astray. I know you had Christa. Yeah. So she was one of my students way back in the day I. I don't know if you know that we had that connection too, but I love her. She's wonderful. For example, with her, I know she was talking about in her episode, right? L there are these pieces of truth. There are these things where it's like, well, I'm not getting this in the church and that makes sense. So it allows people to potentially be led astray to follow these little breadcrumbs of truth That's why I think Again, kind of going back to how I look at what what God has allowed me to bring through to the world at this time. It's like search the whole thing. If the whole thing doesn't completely match up with the Bible. Yeah Tell me, I'm absolutely open. becausecause it's just a piece That usually is a signal that you're going in the wrong direction. If it's like this piece, yes, but these things it has to be there, right busy because otherwise be If you know on its face outright it's false. It's easy to reject. But if you start if you latch onto a piece and this is how I feel like deceptions work, it's like marketing.. If a piece of it feels palatable enough or it scratches a little bit of that itch Like, then yeah, you then you can fall into it You said something I want to ask you about and I think because it's been something that's been in my head for a long time. We talk about your neurounnel. as a clinician, really, as someone who operes, how do people Separate U their own trauma and their reactions to an impetus from discernment because this is what we see all the time in our space is that is that what I believe I'm seeing is that a certain piece of content or a podcast episode or whatever will trigger people use the word triggering and they'll be like, my disturment went off and that's false. And what I perceive is that in the same conversation online You'll have another comment says,, this was like the Holy Spirit just a firm, this was an amazing thing and you go you can't hold these two things to be true they can't both be true. And when you're saying that like, oh man, when we watch a movie or a film And it triggered all of his trauma, but you're like, I've seen this all before. You have a different response. I feel like that's what I've been thinking about with People will conflate with discernment. They'll say, they'll conflate their own emotional response to something And that would that that will they will convolute with with hearing from. So how do you how do you take that the live experience of having a neuro fununnel and how do you separate that from from what we what I'd really call a true discernment where you're you're hearing from the Holy Spirit, not reacting biochemically to something that causes that triggers trauma or fear or another emotional response that makes you feel a certain type of way based upon an input Using of the world terms for a moment. Yeah. Th about instinct versus intuition I think a lot of people conflate the two as the same. Right? Like my gut says. Yes. So instinct is actually rooted in a fear response, right? That is our primal fear response. So think about your instinct is if you, well maybe not you. I was gonna say, if the Sasquatch, you were just eating by the campfire and the Sasquatch was right behind you.. Maybe if you weren't you, mayaybe you would run for your Alan. You might be like, hello, I've been waiting for this appointment It kind of rem of Alan Grant in Jurassic Park. Some situations scare him and other situations, he knows all about dinosaurs. and then when he has the encounter, he veryone else is freaking out and He's, donon't You know, hereere's the T rex. You can't see if you don', you know, it's like we can bring in A lot of knowledge of a situation. and then when we have the experience, we know what to do So I guess I would I wouldn't know how I would react if I saw a Sasqu. I just immediately saw this visual ofiew like turning around with the pipe, be like, hello, I've been waiting for an interview. It just depends. I mean, like there's certain scripted creatures that you can'tot have a fear response with them. I mean think about the angels, for example. That's why it's always like, do not be afraid because our instinct likely would kick in. You' be terrified An instinct is not the same as discernment. and it's in fact often very counter to discernment. It's always counter to the Holy Spirit. So if you think about it from that chemical perspective, and this is, I think why the Lord has had me bring through the work that I've brought through is you actually can renew your mind. You can get yourself to a placeac where you are no longer triggered. and I truly believe On in that place Are you able to really exercise discernment? I think a lot of the people that say that they're using discernment are doing exactly what you're saying where it's actually their underlying paradigms or insecurities or legalism that are making them say it's discernment. But most people that have strong meta cognition on the outside looking in and they're like, That still looks triggered to me. I don't know if you're seeing that the way. That's what always kind of tryed to articulate. and think you provided some language or grid for it was that like our emotions are not equal to feel like an equation to discernment. I notot to say that God can't use our emotions orr use our guts. And I know sometimes you have this gut feeling. that's the way we talk about it, right? And that's spot on But I think we'd be very careful when we start to apply sort of those physio responses and say that that's my discerermment or that's mean because you can have you can be wrong and if you're honest with yourself, you're wrong a lot. But the Christian's default is I go reformed or I go charismatic. like I can't I can't live somewhere in the middle between Sometimes it's this, sometimes it's that I think if you Focus your life on Who was Jesus? What did he say? What did He do? And you let that be like the pinnacle of what informs your decisions, Not to say that like of course, there are so many other pieces of the Bible that should be kind of in that hierarchy. but to me I've found many Christians that seem to in my opinion, somehow put Paul above Jesus, which to me has been a very strange a strange thing coming as a Jew into reading the word because I didn't ever have a pastor tellell me what to think. So I just got to read it And I think sometimes when you If you were really putting what Jesus said, how he showed up, what he did, his example, what you see is somebody who was extremely emotionally regulated R? Jesus was so even keeled. He didn't really have ups or downs. And I think kind of doubling back to a couple things that you brought up, kind of like where do spirits and demons kind of fit into the self deception when you become emotionally dysregulated. So this is like when you become triggered in essence. Yeah, you give access to demons and spirits. they in essence that fast. That fast. they feed off of that. So think about it like kicking off a scent There's a specific scent, and even if you know somebody like where they have that feiar sweat smell, I know that's like a very three dimensional tangible thing.es Yeah, sometimes you can smell when someone's stressed out. Now take that a level higher. When you are in that emotionally triggered state, spirits are like, sweet, it's basically it's an open door. I have access to this person now The other thing that we want to keep in mind is that it also gives legal rights for demons and spirits to torment you. Same with something called self cursing. So let's say you have a self deceptive message like I'm never gonna to be enough. no one's ever gonna like me. You're also telling yourself that. So you're now jumping on the bandwagon of your own self torment, which actually gives legal rights for spirits to be like, sweet open door I actually have legal rights to continue to torment this person So if we keep letting self deception, justify whatever the sort of emotional dysregulation is, where we just continually keep the door open to these things in the spirit realm. Also like from I know you probably you know this as well, but also from like a biological standpoint, you are rewiring the neurons in your brain to negatively, like we can do these, I mean, this like scientifically there's a bunch of published studies that say this is how it works. rewire your brain, which is In some ways, I feel like is what is the bio result of renewing your mind daily is is is you actually got it Jesus is actually ' going to rewire Your brain physically, the way that I mean, it makes sense is the way that he works, the way that God works is that he's going But it's a personal relationship always. It comes down to a relationship, which requires back and forth communication trust builduing more trust, going back and forth And then going out of the boat, walking on the water, learning to walk, not freaking out and everyone else behind you, most of the world is gonna be like, what the hell are you doing? What are you doing? right? They're gonna try to make you question yourself. They're gonna jump on the self deception bandwagon and try to get you to turned back. Jesus is looking right at Peter and mean tune it all out. Look at me, look at me, lookook at me, we got this. We're gonna walk. And every single Christian has to get out of a boat and walk on the water with Jesus And we all want to stay on the boat and criticize the guy who got out. And you just landed on something that is really fundamental to rewiring and it echoes what you were just talking about In order to rewire, you have to do specific things strategically differently. So it can't just be this haphazard, like, I'm gonna try a little bit of this today. There is a specific opposition counters the attack of the enemy. So one of the things that we focus on in Bak metethod, and I have a very specific Christian program called Rneew Your Mind that is the biblical approach to neuroscience and rewiring. There is a specific word or series of words that directly counteracts what Satan just tried to weaponize against you. And that is how God was revealing to me, in Break method, we call it the Eli triangle, But essentially what's happening is that Satan will kind of push on you, the accuser, right, tryry to get you to be triggered into your emotions because when you're emotional, you're in your amygdala. You're not able to think rationally bothoth prayer but also reading the word or know learning how to push back the way we do it in break method, it pushes you into your prefrontal cortex. So you're kind of piercing through Satan's emotional self deceptive argument with actually here's exactly why that's not true and it's not aligned with who God's calling me to be and where I have to go All right, so now you have this moment where you're no longer in your emotional response because you've shifted to a different part of your brain. So now that you're in your prefontal cortex, you're like, okay, I don't feel like my heart is racing anymore I can make a better decision. When you create that space, you can yield to the Holy Spirit. When you are heart pounding and you're thinking irrationally, sometimes it's really hard for you to tune into that sort of like FM station of the Holy Spirit. becausecause all you can think is like, the walls are closing in on me. I don't know where I am, right The enemy starts to get this bigger stronghold over you So ultimately learning how to prevent the sort of emotional dysregulation with very specific language allows you to yield to the Holy Spirit and to do something very specifically differently. So in Bak method, we call this pattern opposition, right? So what you just said like what is Jesus calling you to do? Because usually it's something that is it's unfamiliar. It's something your brain does not want you to do safe Calm down Mhm Move one foot in front of the other towards me Do you think parenting is a big part of the biggest learning the relationship with God I think it can have such a huge impact parenting in early childhood years in my body of work are the most important thing. and I think what often scares people Is this your brain pattern is actually formed by five. So from zero to five, whatever you experience with the highest frequency, that's going to create that sort of perception restriction. What's interesting, and there's a lot of things that are interesting. I think before we jump into that, imagine when a spirit first comes into the world, right? You come in, you're innocent, you are intended to be able to be curious because you have to understand what the world is. like Is Mommy happy or is Mommy sad?ike what is love? Do Mommy and Daddy love each other R So you have to be inquisitive and kind of understand and be able to explore. Yeah. But your capacity to love is also complepletely unlimited, right? A a child doesn't come in already hardened and like, well Daddy looks mad, so I can't go see G loveo. You have to learn all those things by sadly trial and error, right So if a child comes in innocent, right? They're not yet jaded, they're not patterned by the world, another way to say it. They're curious and all they want is love How easy is it for them to experience early childhood trauma Even in a family that for intents and purposes was like good Yeah P't prettyty easy, right? Yeah. If you change if you change the threshold Really what happens is that essentially everybody has childhood trauma. And I think that is That is the hypothesis in all of the work that I do. it is Everyone has a specific pattern, and it doesn't matter whether yours was satanic ritual abuse or yours was watching your parents fight Everybody has something. and you have to understand what the inputs were so that you can map what the outputs are and understand if if this, then this, right? We have to think and really formulaic statements. And when you understand the cause and effect relationships that cause certain patterns of the world, you understand how Satan's able to really weaponize specific people in specific ways. So one of the things that Bak method has done is we've mapped what childhood inputs spit out what types of brain pattern outputs as an adult. So example would be with brain pattern mapping, somebody can spend twenty minutes filling out these questions and they're all historical data points. So none of them are like, how did you feel about that? Like tellell me your life story. Be the whole idea that I think is very disisruptive what we do counter to traditional mental health We don't ask about your life story because the whole supposition is if I ask you a question about your life story, you're not going to realize that you're lying to me, but you will be. It's impossible not to because of self deception, right? Everything you tell me will have a slight twist and distortion on it that won't ultimately help you get to the other side, right? It won't get you to that place of being truly renewed So We have to do it the other way In twenty minutes, there's two hundred historical data points. We can accurately predict how you see certain situations, how you behave, but also more importantly, how you behave initially, and then how that kind of snowballs out of control over chronological time. And the way I think God has desired to use this for the body of Christ is that when you know that you already know and can anticipate every argument Satan will try to use and how they'll try to weaponize that against you, which allows you to be fully at peace, truly renew your mind, and to go boldly into all the places that your brain has lied to you, right? in the name of my book, yourour brain's a filthy liar, lied to you and told you not to go and made you feel really justified not going, I can't do that because of this. Like everyone is untrustworthy. Everyone will always leave. No one will really understand me. And then obviously, Satan and then demons and spirits all start to kind of piggyback and they're like, wow, we've really got a stronghold on this person. Like there' ours But when you have something like this, the freedom that you can get really quickly compared to traditional talk therapy, usually clients will have really radical changes within three months And what happens is you know also what things they have to do differently, so where they have to oppose the pattern of the world And when you do this differently, going back to what you were saying about rewiring The hypothesis is fire together, wire together, right? What you keep doing the same, thoseose neurons will keep kind of braiding together and that connection becomes stronger and stronger. If you do things strategically differently, you can also unbraid those things and get them to separate. So it's no longer an urge for you anymore. It's not a pattern. it's not a habit So when you know exactly where the enemy kind of has his claws into you and you can kind of c cut to the chase and be like, Well, this is really obvious. We know what to do here. The amount of deliverance you're able to get in a way that's I think more sustainable than just somebody, you know, some like deliverance minister, you know, I'll go back to this. So I have mixed feelings about deliverance as a whole. I think obviously a lot of times it's real and it works. I think a lot of it can be really performative. I don't have you guys talked much about deliverance on the show.. So I think some of it can be really performative right And I think sometimes people want to be into that state, so they kind of like play into the whole thing. But I think sometimes and often, like deliverance it's a real thing. L we know that Jesus has called us to do that. But sometimes and often you can deliver somebody and what happens? If you haven't changed, if you hadn't renewed their mind, what happens? Sven more spirits come back place not Does it not work? you've made it worse. Yeah. So I think the true process of renewing your mind that the Lord has called us to do, it is a process of Do the hard things, opposing your pattern. One part of the brain that's really important for us to understand when it comes to pattern opposition is called the anterior mid cingulular cortex. When you do something that is antagonistic to what you want to do. So when you do something that's not like, I don't want to do that, that's too scary.'t right When you push against that, you go into that resistance, you fire up your anterior mid cingular cortex And when you do that, we actually as human beings, experience a sense of purpose. We also build emotional resilience and then we learn to do hard things So in a way, this sort of moving into resistance is Jesus saying like, pick up your cross and also don't follow me unless you hate your. wife and your children because this work of going against the pattern of the world is profoundly hard and challenging. But what you are able to achieve on the other side through this process of refining and purification and sanctification is a renewed mind that is able to really see things as close as we can to the mind of God, right I could be in a bad, bad situation and most of the time because of what God has led me through and I've led others through I can maintain peace and clarity and something called metacognition, which is your ability to think about your thinking. As you're thinking it, you talked about it a little while ago without knowing it. That's where we can really yield to the Holy Spirit because we can actually question ourselves in the moment. Is that really like, did that come from an honest place? Did Did I really mean what I said right there? When people are operating in this restricted pattern of the world, they don't have access to that. And God wants us to have access to those things. He wants us to be free. And I think sometimes your trauma can lead you at a young age to start having that conversation. So God uses all of it together, but you're kind of sccribing like, well you can kind of come out five different doors here And I think what's cool is, you know Even just higher It kind of feels like my vision right now is you're kind of like a lawyer for people. And I talk about that. ye, I talk about that.'s like the devil's over here trying to make his argument. You're with your client. you know, it's not ironic a little bit how you' dressed today, too You're kind of like in between. the person and you're like, this is saying and this is his arguments. and these are this is how you better arguments.. Instead of just an endless loop of therapy where you talk about your emotions twenty four seven and you never get anywhere how much of the rene your mind is like is scripture because you know, Bible says like meditate on the word day and night and I think about Jesus And when he's confronted about things, he willll say Satan the W says, it's written And then he says, haveave you not read? Have you not heard? Have you not read? Have you not read And I feel like that He's talking about the same thing like that here comes the deception the or even the self deception' talk. hereere comes deception, you're telling yourself they're telling him and he says M Here's the truth and have you not read this? have you not? Do you not know that the word says this. and I can't help to think that like that's part of like, meditating on the word day and night, have it writtend.. So he is the word and Satan weaponizes language against us. and Jesus being the word is the sort of truth that pierces all of those things. And you're absolutely right There is a legal aspect to this, right? And when I'm working with clients who are not Christian I talk about it one way that makes sense And I will just say one of my favorite things about what God has called me to do is a lot of people have given their lives to Christ that would have never been open to it because I'm really clear from the get go about what I believe. But I don't know, in the majority of like the scientific work I do in Braak I don't specifically say anything other than like, here's what I believe and you here's my spiritual framework. And then I just do exactly what God told me to do. And in the end, most people are like, canan I have access to your Bible study? Can I have access to a your mind? Because at that point, they're already like, I trust you now because this has changed my life. And if you believe this and this is what informed this, then there has to be something here. I think there's a shift from deliverance in some ways that happens whereas you you emotionally call out if you're having an alien abduction episode and you're like, Jesus Jesus, and just emotional about it versus You learned to control yourself and say under the authority of Christ, you have no right here. You have no legal right to me. And then that's when the abduction. So it feels like people are just emotionally. they say, well, people call in the name of Christ and it stops. I'm like it might stop for that day But does it stop permanently? Because are you just emotionally crying out, Lord, save me instead of I have authority You know, the word goes with me. I'm here. You can't, you can't legally have a right to me anymore. And I think that's a big part of why the arguments and our channels kind of go on forever Oh yeah. because we don't really ever Ver few of us. grab onto that authority and walk in that in that sense and kind of sluff off what everyone thinks and feels. and mostly it's the church that's kind of attacking you agree. As your walking with Christ because I think most of the secular world just doesn't care. They're just over there like these Christian people, I don't they don't bother me Until you do something that triggers them, then they come at you. But I think it's often Christianans fighting because we don't want to surrender and actually walk and have a relationship with Christ. We just want someone else to tell us how to do it. And it's interesting on this I mean, this whole conversation is is that I'm to be vulnerable, I think starting with this these conversations, I wrestled a lot with like people are going to think we're insane. L Sasquatch, Jesus, he can't put these things together And I have chronic people pleasing in my and it was really hard for us And I was surprised Luke wanted to do it to be honest because I was like can't wait I'm going gonna send you guys the brain pattern map family. All right we got figured out. But every time I like rewatch an episode of our podcast, I go, dude suck. This is This is dumb. Is this even working? Is this, you know, you you go through that like what are we? you know, and you you feel defeated and then there's other days where it's like That was awesome. That was something different. I didn't even know where that came from. and I think it's easy to stay as a podcaster in the safe space of asking the right questions, sounding smart, appeasing an audience, saying the right Christian word so that half the audience is this denomination doesn't turn on you. and it's like, no, I' Peter be a conduit between the message and the message bringer and truth is stranger than fiction and I don't know what to do. So it's I think we both internally deal with that on a dayily of like I'm walking. I'm trusting that I don't even know how this episode came to be, but we're gonna to make the most of it and It's easy to have a formula and follow it It's harder to do that with a show like this. so I don't really want to make it about me, but Everything's connecting to how Daily I feel about what we're doing. the struggle that we have internally. So What's really interesting about what you just described, What we've found through going through the data. So we've gone through fifteen thousand brain patterns, essentially at this point to kind of understand things the way that we do now. Yeah. In early childhood, remember I talking about those zero to five age rages When you growrew up in a family that actually has a lot of structure, they do things intentionally, right? There is love. You do trust your parental figures. What ends up happening is it splits you onto the right side of the brain pattern spectrum And on the right side of the brain pattern spectrum, there can become this sort of fixation on what others are thinking about you And as a byproduct, your situational awareness drops out, right? Because if I need to be ced into your micro expressions and like do you like me? Am I doing a good job? You could miss what's happening in like the left corner of the room But the opposite is true and you grew up in a household that has Maybe some serious lack of trust, parents saying they're gonna to do something not following through, or parents like having fights and hiding behind closed doors, that might give the child the input like, h, I can't quite trust these people. I have to figure out what they're hiding or what's really going on. So as a result, you become more attuned to what's happening in your external environment and what one person's micro expressions mean, And you're like, n, whatever, that doesn't really matter. I need to be focused on this big picture So what ends up happening is we have kind of these abandonment oriented brain pattern types. And then we have these rejection oriented brain pattern types the abandonment oriented brain pattern types tend to naturally have higher metacgnition because they're already not necessarily too focused on what the other person's thinking, they're always thinking kind of big picture. But one of the negatives of that is maybe I am missing some relational cues. Maybe I am thinking so big picture about something that I leave and someone's like, o, she was kind of a jerk. And the whole time maybe I was thinking about something big picture and my physical signs that I was giving to you made me look cold, right? Yeah. So I share this because Both of these sides of the spectrum often marry each other. they often get into relationships together. So what can happen is the person on the right is going to wildly misinterpret the motives and the intent of the person on the left and vice versa, right? Yeah. Beuse I could be thinking big picture and you know, my husband's on the right, I'm on the left. My I'm confused face, he immediately interprets as, I think you're a dumb peasant face. So he'll get mad and I'll be like, I was confused. I don't understand It' like what do I have to do with my eyebrows to bypass this sort of rd, you know? So that kind of stuff can happen, whereas like I care less about someone's eyebrows than I'm more, you know thinking about the big picture, right? Yeah. So when you think about things like that, the early child environment, which is why I bring it up, the zero to five, the irony, and I think there's a very specific reason that God calls for biblical parenting to be a certain way. When you overdo it with love and structure and attentiveness You often cause your children overly trust other people, put them put other people in a position of hierarchy where God does not want them to be. You become susceptible to pure pressure, right? You like want your friends to like you, You want your pastor to like you. God actually called for us to do the opposite, right? Like he called like you don't, the world is going to hate you Yeah So caring about what people think, like what are they going to think about our family? which is often a very Christian sort of paradigm. It forces you into this right hand side and as a byproduct You guys are much more susceptible to very specific types of depression, anxiety, apathy, suicidal ideation addiction. Nearly all of the mental health markers increase as you go over to this very specific spot on the right hand side because the pattern of the world is overwhelming Right? And then it becomes In essence, you went back to this example of like what does your relationship with your parents have to do with God? Well, I would argue, what often happens in the Christian space? and I don't obviously know anything about your childhood, but let's say you do end up on the right and you're more of these rejection oriented patterns and you're like, I love my parents. they would never leave me astray. And then what happens? There's some sort of church hurt, There's some sort of sex scandal at your church or whatever At that point, if you put your parents on this pedestal And your whole paradigm is built around like if I can trust my parents, I can trust God, rightly all these things kind of match up onto itself then when this bad thing happens, you have to do one of two things. You either turn on yourself and you collapse, you have no more self trust anymore. or you turn on God in the church. Like, well, if this is fake, then all of that's fake.. And then they walk away reallyally enraged. er. It's a zero sum dececonstruction. Yes. The whole deconstruction thing as all those kids that had that brainwiring or just like, I'm over it ' over it, right? Becauseuse one megapastor you know, Yeahah And they're just done Instead of, and this is what I love to help people like that do because I think those brain pattern types are extremely prevalent in the Christian community. Do you feel like Satan's like kind of like, you know, he gets his board meeting together and he's like, all right, guys, we got these five different brain, you know, this is how we do You guys go attack those kids, you attack those kids and then it's just like we're all rendered. And you' sad demon over there, you get demo kids. Yeah you get kid. There are specific spirits that do seem to cluster and have access around certain types of mental illness and mental illness tracks certain brain pattern types and certain brain pattern types, tracks certain sort of childhood inputs. So they all map together. But you can't understand it from like old school traditional psychologist perspective, right? it's layers. like there's dimensional stuff. And it's really hard for have these blurry conversations with somebody who just refuses I want to say it was supernatural, but we've had a lot of these today.. it's just it's such a It's such a not good word at this point in the show. like many people agree with us but on that, but But I think it's all these things happening together. It's kind of like it could be mental illness, it could be part of trauma and it could be a spiritual it could be a demon, and it could be all those things happening at once. And it usually is that sort of layered piece of it. I always jokingly, so if everyone thinks about the mononopoly mononle Although, did we have a Mandala effect or not that gone? Does he still have a monacle Yeah, he's up. I remember the mon. Yeahah, he's the mononacical. The manonacical. ononcause everyone think about that the mononacle, right. The way I like to have people understand the topic that you just brought up is the Bible is like one lens on the mononacle, right Yeah. But then you have to kind of, I think where we start to really attune to truth is where you've got like the Bible is that first layer, right? Like this is the one that cannot be broken or refuted. But then we have all these other layers on top. Okay. Let's say we add we've got like one other lens on top of that that's now a little blurry, right? Now we've got like a little string theory, a little multi dimensionality, a little quantum physics. but maybe now on top of that. Now let's look at psychology too. So in a way we're expanding and constraining at the same time. Yeah That is, I think how we're meant to look at the world around us because things are not just one way, but as long as we keep the Bible as that first lens and nothing can counter that, then we're getting this layered look at something that I think is really profound. because then you start to see the overlap. L where when I do that, where actually is the truth and where do the lies kind of fall outside of the edges of the paradigm that I'm looking at. But even Jesus will say, you've heard it said but I say. It's like even with the scriptures that you know But here's something else I'm going to tell you. It's like He's still trying to push through and have like there's a relational aspect, and there's a piece to this I don't know, it's just hard because Since I was a kid in church, it's just wars of Bible verses back and forth. And I've always been like Who's right You know, and how Are we reading the scripture in a way that's You know, we exclude the Holy Spirit from from this Trinitarian understanding of God There's the you know, God, Father, God the Son and God the Holy Scriptures. and that's We don't even factor in that there is a The Spirit of God comes with us to lead Hper tr is the helper. Yeah the helper the I don't know, it just it continually becomes It just this difficult weaving of figuring it out. And then it was well A story will come across our play that doesn't fit into any of it. And you're like What do I do with that? And the emotional reaction is don't believe it internally, right? And a lot of listeners will have that trigger Ah They'll cancel the membership. I don't believe in anything you say anymore because of one person's views and then they burn us out and they leave. It's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, it's something just someone on some episode just triggered this person. Now you can be like, you need break method when you're still come back. send you over here.ent the pattern of you're not so triggered. But every since the beginning, it's like every time we do an interview, it's like There's just like Boom, boom going on inside of like That. I don't know about this. I don't know about that. So how do you It's almost like organizing the voices in your head. and then having a healthy conclusion of what is all this But when I went back to the parenting thing though, the other day my two boys were fighting ten and eleven, right? they're going back and forth. and there was this moment in me where I was like I wanted to get in and get emotional with them. Like, you said this and you said that, you know, and I'm like, And so then I kind of stepp back and played like lawyer guy, like What how did would he say hurts you. What do you really want from him? Oh, you hate your brother, but he loves you and you guys actually care. You're saying you don't care, but you do care. And kind of being this even tempered moderator between the fighters. All right, Judge Judy. you want to like jump in and defend or join as side. Well, he said this and he did that you know what I'm saying You're kind of when you're active parenting, you feel like I'm trying to orchest I don't know. I just felt like that was the right thing to do as opposed to have an emotional reaction and yell Stop fighting because stop fighting doesn't doesn't fix it and you can't feel your feelings doesn't fix it. And me being emotional doesn't fix it. It's like my role is to be the emotional mature one here Right Thank God, you know that. A lot of parents missed that memo. But don't I don't know what I'm doing. I'm just likeree I'm gonna free flow this year. And we had like a little debate of what really what they really want from each other. I didn't get that growing up There was the reactions for my parents were the same as us. and so it was just everyone's yelling all the time. You don't you just want to get out of there. I just gott to get out of here. Someone's got toa be more emotionally intelligent than I am. I'm seven. What do I know? You know So then you you carry that through your adulthood and Oftentimes I get emotionally reactive to my own children and I'm like, okay, I'm doing that thing back You gott to be you gott to be smarter than them But she just we all do this in age with social media, just rage, you know So it's just that The difficult thing when your whole job is to emotionally regulate And that's exactly it. That is as a parent That's one of the most important things to do is not let your own emotional state and triggers spill into how you're engaging with your kids. matched with that, what I've found through the work that I've been doing for twelve years is You have to let your kid struggle. And a lot of parents step in, especially lately too quickly, you want to protect your kids, you want to help them. And when you don't let your kids strategically struggle They step into learn helplessness, they become needy or dependent on you, they don't learn how to do for themselves. And the factors that we've looked at that correlate to the best adult outcomes. And I'm saying best outcomes is like self rated like happiness, being on purpose, being in a good relationship There's only a few. It's the highest overlap of self efficacy, meaning like That looks scary. I'll figure that out. I could do that myself, right? So that's the number one thing you want to nurture in a kid is self efficacy not like, Dad, how do I do this? but more like, you know, without kind of being a jerk, like it's not like, figure it out. There's in between between Dad, can you help me and figure it out. Yeah. It's like a how about, you know I'm going to ask you a bunch of questions. What type of materials do you need? How are you going to put those materials together? Why don't you go get your materials set up, me talkal me through what your process is going to be, and ask me questions about that process, right? Because then you're teaching them how to do it themselves. But I think people have a hard time finding that line between the two. That's essentially what you did when you kind of stepped in as like a mediator, right It's helping both sides understand why they're so emotional, what made them emotional. And is that really true? Like is there you're kind of as a lawyer stepping forward, like, I get you feel that way, but what about this Yeah? R And you're kind of little by little, you're getting them to kind of bridge their perceptions of reality together so that everyone can kind of let it go and move on. A lot of parents are not able to do that because they do get emotionally ritled up or they get pulled into one sibling So it was welling in me to the point where it was almost there Yeah. and I was like just pushed down. and not go go back, but You know, I feel like we could talk forever about these things, but it's like I think the cool The cool part of the conversation to me is like helping us fromrom our perspective and listeners is to be like How you respond to somebody on a podcast that says something you just don't understand or don't agree with or don't know and then notot knee jerking to Turn it off. this is garbage This is' fittit into my paradigm now. and going, well, what do I like about this? what don't I like about this? And why and maybe I can have I can learn something because I think spirits come to us and say, Well, there's only one way to view everything and it just gets you this Very vanilla way of cruising through your Christian life And what the podcast introduces is all these other ways that that you actually grow with your relationship with Christ. Well, you It is a narrow road. It's it's a hike up a mountain. You're going to fall in the bushes. You're going to get thorns and you're going cut your leg on a rock, There's no easy way get closer to our creator and oftentimes we just our conversations off are just like, wow, that really kicked the bees's nest. like what what was it? What was it about that specifically that causes reaction, and then we get defeated because we we internalize it and we think, man, I don't Do you internalize it too Uh, yeah, but I just I've created a lot of cardrails for myself. like you' like, I'm not compartmentalized and get. Yeah I decid I mean, I don't I don't look at the social media I don't read comments. I've been in this gain rotation for like twenty years of knowing how detrimental that can be and how and how you read Nine positive comments and one negative, but you just you hold the negative one. And as you were saying, those things can like can flip your day, Yeah, I mean, I'm very self critical, I think like a lot like like negatives about this But yeah, I just I think there's a there' a much longer conversation here about you know, about perspective and and purpose and and understanding there's always going to be resistance. can't make everybody happy. you know, but Nay, there is a desire you want everybody to T have a good experience. You you want to care take stuff, you know, but I think that sometimes like hard truths are hard for people to swallow. And I do think as Nate was just saying, I think it's important what I've really learned in the show and us doing this is important for for us to be like I don't like that. Why Okay, what do I do I disagree with that. why I disagree them? and kind of break that down because that well, because that's this and so why do I think that? Okay. And if you can kind of deconstruct those things and not act in a visceral or emotional way, you can come to conclusions about how you think about things and your own worldview. But you know, like these are easy things to talk about like cognitively, but then to practice is a whole other thing, right? Because you know we're all parents here. and you create patterns in your life that you default to. And what you've been talkking about is I think is really made me think a lot for doing this about You know, why I have the patterns I have? whyy do I default to a visceral emotional reaction with certain things with my kids things in your marriage with your spouse, you know It is different upbringings that have so I think it's I think I' I'm Not knowing much about coming into this business. I'm like So much more fascinated about the work you do and yeah It's cold and interested in and taking a look at that because I think You know there's this whole thing like, we all need therapy, and I think there's something to that, but I also think there's something too therapy above you know, the work of of of Christ and the Holy Spirit and God in our own lives,? And I think people will default to therapy, but they will get in a cycle of just walking through their emotions every other day. I think's something that's actually like a bad cycle to that because You don't ever really come to a whole lot of conclusions otherther than this is how I feel, and I'm reinforing this is how I feel Well, and talking about your story over and over again or coming through that sort of filter of distorted perception. you're reinforcing it and you're actually all the things we talked about the fire together wire together. You're literally firing together every time you talk about it. R. So really the opposite is what gets you out a bit faster.re like, yeah, yeah, let's okay. I've got the details Also, let's let God restore this, redeem the time and not go back into. Like we know what caused it Now, let's let God restore you so that that's not even you anymore. And I think people miss that and this whole idea of becoming a new creation. when you really have renewed your mind A lot of the really terrible things that have happened to me, I don't feel connected to them. They really feel like somebody else. And that's not a process of like compartmentalization or dissociation. When you really get to that place and you know that you are free I could talk about those things and have no emotional response to them whatsoever. And it's not out of like a coldness. It's just when God truly renews your mind, you are. a different person. That's what should happen. N new creations. New creationations's what the Bible says. That's awesome Thank you. Yeah. Can you tell folks where they can find what you're doing and where they can interact with me? You've written a thousand page book that Nate said he won't read And I don't have an audioook for it because every time I sit down don'll do it, I'm like didid I really want to record seven hundred pages of thousand pages Maybe I'llad it. Maybe I'll fly right.'s a thousand words you might get Nathan on board, It's the anti readers to write the best books Maybe. Sounds like a natational Libre quote J. Youough, I didn't even think Bigfoot, What's your thoughts on Bigfoot is a tricker question and it really sends some obviously very intelligent people on their show forly. 's I wonder it might be hard because some people might be like, oh, I don't know if I'm taking this person as well. I thought, you know, don't ask NT rightite. because it's going to trigger It's a trigg and I don't know if That's a That's where we're at with him in this hour. But people could be like, whyy don't you ask him? It's like, Well, I think in there's this a spy sense, it's like, h. Who doesn't you ask? NntT, right Oh I don't know who that is. He's He's like the pre eminent New Testamonenty osion from Oxford. Got it. Oh, okay, I did actually hear ep bit of that one. But you know, it's like u It's just It's a loaded question. and I think that I didn't I don't even think we realized You know, until after doing this, I'm like thinking about, o, that's That's what's going on here It's like It's a trigger. It's a trigger question Pigfoot is that thing that gets you deal with the trigger in you You have this emotional response. That's a fantasy, that's a fairy tale. Nobody actually has experiences with this thing. It's all in your head And you go, now What are your thoughts on big? You know, it's training people to come down, be like emotionallyally regulate Put some thoughts together and think about something that you don't normally think about. What do you think? You know, I didn't realize that we were doing that One of the things that going back real quick to the pattern opposition piece because I think this is super important Tggers are really valuable and when you know how God has called you to walk into the trigger, you actually get excited when you find new triggers. So I think triggering is actually one of the most profoundly impactful experiences because you have to be triggered to go into the resistance to change the pattern, right? So a lot of people, and that's exactly what your brain pattern and Satan wants you to do, is they want you to stay in this repetitive familiar and avoid all the triggers so that they can seem like the boogeyman. They seem like a real fear. But when you intentionally go into those fears Th thenen you start to get excited. Like I love when I find a new trigger. I'm like,h this is exciting. It's like new territory for me to continue Undiscovered cont to expand. Yeah, it should be a fun place. That's Moth man. So keep keep doing it. You keep triggering you keep fighting the good fight.gging every the beginning the episode I can handle big foip off b, just triggerers's too heavy. But aliens are demons is the trigger for a lot of people right now. Oh yeah. man. would O day, I'll tell all my alien stories around the boe time. We'll do another around.re're B back to Luke's questionere can they find all your work? Very specifically Christian program for neurological rewiring is called Rennew Y Mind. You can go to stan. store slash busy Gold. It's just called Renneew Y Mind. And I know you had mentioned like how much of it is the word All of it. It's throughout the entire thing. you are certainly going to have to buy a Bible, you are going to have to really press into that Bible. It is anchoring every single neuroscientific thing that we do throughout the whole program. So that's the Rnew your Mind program You can also go to breakmethod. com Breakmethod is the actual rewiring program. We do it with individuals, we do it with couples, we do it with families. And if you want to just start with that brain pattern mapping piece that takes twenty minutes, you can go to predictivemind. io. It takes twenty minutes, you submit it, and then you'll meet with somebody on our team and they're going to explain all of your self deceptive patterns and where you tend to get yourself into stuck places in your life and how to get to the other side. And then my book is Your brain is a filthy liar. You can get that anywhere books are sold. And you can follow me on Instagram at ByGold BIZZ IE on my DM. so it's really me. I don't have like another person running it Love it That's awesome. Thank you for. This was great. This was awesome. Thanks you guys. That was awesome. I appreciate you guys having me. Absolutely. 'ntill next time. be triggered