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And the two friends were setting up a tree stand that morning That's the perch that hunters hide and waiting for a deer My buddy was down below. He was afraid of hight. so he was handing me stuff and I was up in this tree And all of a sudden I look out in the road and there's like twenty cop cars pull up you know, all at once. And then they start walking into the woods and you're like, what is going on here? It almost the county seat of P pututnham. It's still a pretty small town Enough so that Peter knew some of the cops who swarmed the woods that morning I recognizeed a few of them One of them Pat, his name was Pakistal, the Gestaldo, a detective for the Putnam County shheriff straight out of a drugstore novel He slicked his hair back in a tight pompador Cy, but when it was warm Any moonlighted on weekends is an Elvis impersonator at several of the local dives And the guy kind of looked like Elvis a little bit. but That's why he was so memorable to me It wasn't my friend. It was like an acquaintance that we knew from working there in the jail periodically doing electrical work So as they're coming in Hes hey, Pat, how you doing? What's going on And he goes, Well, somebody found something in the woods Earlier that morning, another hunter had stumbled over something in those woods. to check it out is the skull of a preteen girl found that skull took it home tooook at home Later that day, the hunter called the cops And now as Castalto told Peter and Bruce He was out there looking for her body So we're like No way, you know, this is Putnham County Back then, it was a quieter town You don't hear this stuff here So my friend Bruce and I said, do you mind if we kind of look around and help you So he goes yeah, no problem Ts rarely let civilians walk their crime scene According to Peter, though, that's what happened here So I'm walking, I'm looking and my buddy Bruce goes, Hey, come over here Castaldo and the other cops rushed over to Bruce He was crouched in the clearing between the trees, over a mound of sticks and leaves that looked composed He lifted one of the branches and a chunk of the ground cover came up He saw something underneath it It was her skeleton There's a tremendous amount of debris as well. I mean, you see the skeleton, but it's not like this bright white thing that's sticking out in the woods There was a mandible, the lower part of the jaw And her bra was tied in mandible, was sitting on the ground. There was hair there You can see there was air there Dirty blonde care just laying there in the leaves. It was The rib cage it looked like it's kind of sick me. I mean, it looked like the rib cage was mostly intact The skeleton was small too. It was It was a small skeleton. It was horrible belong to a twelve year old girl girl had goingone missing a full year prior Hurning, Miss. Joseet right. When it was Castalda they put in charge of finding her. The cops take the site off and gathered forensics There were clothes draped over the body, including the coat she was last seen wearing badly moldered with plant roots growing through it Her braad been tied around her head Forensics pros would later say that it had been used to gagg her along with her underwear would have been stuffed in her mouth Her hands were bound in a complex odd tie. A Sash cord ran from her wrist to both her neck and ankle, yanking her right foot back behind her And not far from her body, cops found a hunting knife rested in the damp. 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Listen to First America on the IiHart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts I was in the group home in Carmel I'd say we were pretty tight with the crew that was there, you know We all came from different backgrounds. We were all kindind of there for same reasons, but for different Rachel was seven or eight when her mom's new boyfriend crashed into their lives Within weeks, he was abusing both Rachel and her mom It's why she landed in the group home a few years later home was known as Sain. Cabrini proved to be a blessing for Rachel. When it came to caramel, it was like kindind of like a clean slate for me Brie was a haven for the Yanked out girls of Puttenham County the ones who had been abused by man in their house or ignored by their drug distracted mother They ranged in age from eleven to eighteen. dbt for each other like sisters Rachel and the others love to hang on the big stone porch out front. smoking menthols were the boys who stopped by porch is where she first met Joseette Wright She was an average T ten eleven year old, you know, like she had long blond hair Rachel was one of the first people the Putnam cop spoke to after Josette's body was found Rachel, by the way, is a pseudonym You'll see why she needs one soon enough As it happens, she was classmates with Josette's sister. who was four years older than Josepp Their house was the hang spot on weekday afternoons. It was the house to go to, you know, it was the party house. was It was a place where kids went to hang out to get drunk There was people there all the time While hanging at that house, she met Joseed's mom, Susan and spend time with her boyfriend, Freddie Freddy wore a ponytail, It was missing three front teeth and had a nasty scar under his lip He was very free spirited, I guess, want to say, you know He spent a lot of his life in jail and he was very for his age, kind of immature The house was the sort of place where the adults often behaved like teens instead of authority figures partartying just as hard as the kids they were raising here in Newports with them brought around men like Freddy How did Freddie support himself I think he did odd jobs. I think he was a carpenter. He did do carpentry work I also said he was a reverend Did Freddy strike you as religious No. Yeah It wasn't godly at all You're covered in tattoos and you know I remember them being on his arms and they were like jailhouse tatoo. so you know, like The tattoos that after years, they just look like blah That's kind of like how I remember his tad series being like some you can't even make out exactly. he'd tell you it was a horse and you're like, what? Cops took a run at Freddy after Joseet's body was found His mug shots are in the case file as well as pages of handwritten notes about it. One of those pages describes his jailhouse tats And Nope, that wasn't a horse on Freddy's forearm It was a circle of clansmen burning crosses And there's another note in that file Apparently, Freddy had founded a white supremacist gang while in prison. There's also a number of people said that Freddie held U, No Nazi views Well, maybe that's what he was a reverend in n't corborate that Freddy was ordained in anything. It was easy enough to confirm that he'd done a serious stretch in prison you know what he went to prison for Almost like killing a man, but for killing a man? I wanna say killing a man There aren't any murders on Freddy's sheet, att least none I could find And there aren't any details on his aggravated assaults accounts that sent him to prison But there are statements in that file from Josette's friends They said Freddy often called Joseette nasty names And one of them said he slapped her hard in the face after she asked him for pizza money I know that she didn't she didn't like Freddy Joseph's dad was in California and been out of the picture for years Her mom worked two jobs to support three school aged kids. and often leftures at to her own devices She wanted to be seen and it And her mom probably was the person she needed to be seen by herself busy, Joseette wandered the streets She was constantly seen walking the town at all hours Hellone from the age of ten Carmon York is a town surrounded on four sides by the lakes of the Hutson Valley. It's an hour or so from Manhattan. It's one of the more well off towns in Putham County. Cormnal isn't a suburb for CFO's It's where cops and firemen move their families in the white fl like panic of the nineteen seventies built their homes on banks of Lake Carmel then inadvertently fouled the waters with the runoff from their cheap septic tanks. I've spoken to a number of locals who swam the lake as kids. They tell me they'd come down with weird sinus problems, or gastric flare ups that hung on for a week after they took a dip. Still, you can certainly find beauty in Cnel There's the postgard perfect town square. with its Queen O courthouse and banners hanging from lamposts the sons who went to war They're twisty roads of dense green hills Relake views sparkle between the trees Drive the main drag in either direction you'll pass strip malls with rundown or shuttered stores From the first time I walked here, I had the sense I was being watched There's a vibe here you don't get in the Posher towns west of Carmel going suspicion of strangers A mile up the hill from Carmelstown Square stands the house where Joseette lived On a walk down that hill, she'd passed the girls home on her left She walks by the group home a lot. We were like a pit stop, I guess I think that's how we ended up starting to talk to her and she became like talking to all the group home girls Having seen firsthand what her home life was like, Rachel got why that group home was Josette's pit stop It gave her something to do. She wasn't just walking around aimously or she wasn't, you know by herself S the lost girl herself, Rachel felt for Joseette became a kind of big sister to her She made time for at the group home and bought her snacks at the deli The two of them formed a bond that deepened the following year When Rachel left Kabrini and moved back home Her mom had rented an apartment in Carmel ten minute walk from the group home weeks, if not days. showset showed up there She spent a lot of time with my mom as well. My mom taught her how to crochet and and just, you know, passing the time together My mom would make everything like Pot holders s, blankets, scarves. You know, like she would make everything. But I remember her just teaching her how to like just do a single stitch or to do a little box. And they'd sit at a table together. My mom never sat at a table. She always sat on the floor. so They're probably sit on the floor After a while, Joseph was over there all the time She was a part of the household and you know, eatating dinners together and things like that. Yeah. She belonged She was very energetic, she was very loving. She was very kind. I don't know why I think of a horse, but she was very A gential person you know, was just looking in the pastor looking to belong somewhere. and and't feel like she did And several months later in the summer of ' ninety four Rachel and her family decided to move to Palling half hour drive from Karma day they finished packing Joseette showed up at their front door. She was there as we were leaving and I remember her saying, just take me. They won't even notice I'm gone. I was like, cant we can't take you I told her that she couldn't come with us. She was cryed. think we Both were should have just taken her You know, it crushed me. I worried about her They're worried about her. 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Why is it important that Americans know about it Well, if we don't understand, The full context in which our nation was founded We won't understand the full context in which our nation now finds itself I'm Rebecca Nagel, Gohin, Daadon, Geka Yetli, G, citizen of Cherokee Nation. Are you guys big chef fans? Hell yeah. This is First America, the true story of how the United States came to be how we got to this present moment Listen to First America on the IiHart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts Nober third, nineteen ninety four It was the last day Joseette was seen in Carmel She stepped off a school bus in front of her small ranch house three o'clock that afternoon. her usual was packed with teens Joseette's two older sisters, they're friends Ium detectives would later interview those teens. One said Joseet had argued with her sister, Chloe before walking out of the house Joseette, she said admired Chloe and tried to mix in with her click The the older girls would have none of it that day Nasty words were exchanged According to those teens, Jose had called her mom, saying she was going over to a friend's house Then she went to the basement and made a second call briefly left the house and stood on the porch Waiting there under a thin brown jacket No one showed up. She went back in the house. There, she did a very odd thing She went up to her sister, Shelly stood in front of her staring and said goodbye and left At three hundred and forty five, she went walking down the hill. toward the shops downamn town That night when she didn't come home for dinner, Her mom, Susan called around to Josette's friends and knocked on the doors of their houses. None of them had seen her since school at her. So Susan asked her daughters if she should call the cops Her oldest girl Shelley nicks the idea ing the cops do nothing til forty eight hours passed Nonetheless, Susan called the next morning. When there was still no sign of Josette E Staldo, the otherice impersonating detective was a sign to find Josette. Buty have no training in missing person searches He'd spent the bulk of his career as a deputy and detective in an narconic squad So, with no leads to go on He focused on the town's drug dealers. Starting with Anthony to Pipppo I would not really argue that I was a successful drug dealer I wouldn't even argue that I broke even You know, I covered some costs, but mostly ingested more than I was ever intent Anthony was all at eighteen when Joe's at W went missing A six five and two hundred and thirty pounds He walked and talked like an underground wrestler which was exactly the sort of vibe he was going for He and his boys got up to crazy stuff together They staged many wrestleManias in their yards. brereaking chairs and tube lights over each other's skulls They diditch class to get high and sell we to their classmates And any money Anthony made. You never mounted much was used to fund his rave trips to the city You know, the music of like laser lights and these smoke machines, you've got five thousand kids and they're just in there and half of them don't even know they're there. And the other half are just dancing until they drop He and his buddies would walk the South Bronx at night, the cop weed and angel Dust, and dance on at the Raves and Chelsea cllubs. like the city ones are really the best ones and it's like just It's it's it's an experience, you know I wasn't They drive home the carmel high off their heads seem to have everything includluding the Cross County Parkway. Listen to the music on the way there, listen to music on the way back. We're driving our vehicle smoke and space bace. Now we're mixing the crack and the dust in or for Cloud nine in a town with little or no violent crime Anthony had his run inss with the cops My first real encounter with the cops was Where was criminal mischief I threw a metal garbage can at the window of a metro North train And then the cops all of a sudden came and they started running after us. And so I ran and I got in the woods and they were bringing the dog rebel, the canine. So I'm like, fuckx, I try to bury myself in these leaves. And I'm like, fucking dog comes right up there. He finds me. I like, you got me. takes me into jail and it felt like You know, kind it felt kind of like a badge honor. I crazy. I had just shaved the sides of my head and I had all this leaf particles on it and I was itchy and I guess I probably ran into some poison ivy or something I would love to have all my mug shots back You could say Anthony had a rep around town. They stood out based on their clothes and actually this was probably cutting edge at that time to have them baggy, you know, hanging, you know, your butt hanging out They looked exactly like Unsavories That's Peter Erksson again. He's one of the hunters who was in the woods the day Joseet's bones were found He remembember S. Anthony and his boys around town they had that type of look like they were The type of kids were selling drugs to school kids as they were walking up from the school at a deli Not kids I'd want my daughter to come home with. And I would assume at that time, A lot of people had that same opinion You couldn't you couldn't miss Anthony. He's huge I'm sure they'd like stereotyped them to be a thug or, you know, a hood rat or however you want to call him. But yet he was always soft spoken, you know, like he's he was this big guy, but yet So Teddy Barish. Rachel got to know Anthony on that group home porch He dropped by a flirt with a dozen or so girls who lived there Stain. Cabrini's group home was on Seminary Hill Road. ang we'd hang out and talk and, you know, sometimes we'd sneak off a little bit and smoke or make out, whatever and I' a young guy, there's a lot of young girls who's like you know, hey, how are you doing? How you doing? When I smoke pot. Yeah, they were already having pot problems. so that's what we did Anthony was often there with his best friend Andy Andy was a lot smaller than Anthony Maybe five, seven in boots but had a short king's confidence around girls. Round guys though. He had a quick fuse temper Andy, he was more of the u well, what? you know I'm not I'm not trying to, you know, like but if If you had a problem with him He wanted to know why. And I remember Anthony and Ieed Big old juke box, you know, like They would just be doing nothing and get blamed for something. Like something just is walking up and down a hill with a jukebox, you know, like what do you do? Staldo suspected Anthony was more than just a two bit dealer. Anthony found that out one cold winter morning Th three months after Joe had disappeared I'm walking down three hundred one. Now three hundred one is a road that goes to cold spring. It's a long road I didn't have my license yet. I just had a permit and I didn't have a car ' walking home from a girlfriend's house, where he just spent the night Now, if you ask him, Anthony was a player in the day He says he kept a notebook with the numbers of three hundred girls But he either didn't have it on him that day None of those girls would field us calls I'm walking in is a long walk. I don't w to walk the whole thing. I'm stressed out about it. It six seven, maybe eight miles to Carmel and I'm way out of place at a way out of hour, like early fucking seven thirty, eight o'clock I'm walking. twenty minutes into it Anthony found himself surrounded I get four cop cars They pull up all different ways, like weird, right? And then an unmarked car