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Call eight hundred three hundred twenty four Ka for details host ataree event and seven hundred six twenty six S dealer for warranty Details. This series includes sensitive and potentially distressing topics including sexual assault and abuse involving children Listener disiscretion is advised Joseette Wright's bones were found in the woods off of Fields Lane on november twenty second, nineteen ninety five two nights later Anthony was riding in a car with a couple of his boys. or road dogs as he likek to call them One of them was his best friend, Andy Kreevac had a lot of adrenaline, a lot of energy, veryer energetic. Oh my God, that kid He would just want to go The kid at the wheel was Dom Negler. At six foot four three hundred plus pounds. He was even bigger and more imposing than Anthony this guy's forearms are like Horse legs, like it's just insane. this sky. Right now, I'm close to six, six, six five and it depends on my shoes But he was he was big, but he was like big and big, like, you know The three of them were headed out of Putnam County. We decided we want to go to this Jersey City rave. And I actually didn't want to just go to the Jersey City, Rve, I wanted to try to make money Anthony was haawking PCP This angel dust. Rot, they were getting souped on their own supply. That was the time I picked up sixty bags of dust. Think of a tiny mananila envelope. And then a little bag in it. Back then they had these big baggy coats. They were jean jacket coats with all these metal buckles on them and stuff. and they had these super big deep pockets and stuff. And they just thw in my pockets They were headed south on the sawmill Parkway, when one of them said, Oh my go, do you know? sister they found up in the woods. they said they found her bones Anthony and Andy barely knew Joe set partartied with her older sister, Chloe a few years back Tom, meanwhile, didn't know the girl He'd been raised in a different town. caught up in their chatter as he drove When they reached the Jersey Cub in a dusted haze Anthony handed some of his merch off to his boys I gave a bunch to Dom, and I'm like, well, I figured Dom is big and people are going to be scared of him not to do anything stupid or try to rob him Several hours later, they left the club salty I didn't make a dime. Back in the car, Doma' at the wheel again whileile Anthony struggled to keep his eyes open I'm fucking oted I'm oted. I'm sitting in the front seat. I'm not blacked out. I'm aware of what's around me, but I'm just so tired from all this ingesting dust and I have my eyes closed. They were heading home around five AM and taking backroads to avoid the Putnum cops But somehow the cops knew they were coming Anthony panicked as their blue lights blazed up in mirror I had no shot because I was so high I had drugs in every pocket of my. And basically I got this stuff in my lap and my coat and my pants. and it's like falling out of me everywhere Kopski the three of Metaore Tuffed and stuffed them into separate cruisers Me and Andy were in the same car And then they get dominic in another car They brought Anthony and Andy to the Putnam County jailhouse. basement chail cells. I just hear Andy in the cell next to me, He's like, Yo, you gota help me out. I only have one bag. sayay it was yours D Anthony's suited He does the calculation One more bag to the thirties holding He'll make no difference when he's charged Besides, Andy's more of a brother little buddy And this is the least you do for a brother It bears saying that Andy had been arrested before In fact, twice that very year for poscession Anthony had spent some nights in lockup too Theough for juvenile nonsense, not drugs boys were bummed about this latest bust just because they were caught with felony weight. In't have known that night or the weeks to follow that this was so much bigger than drugs. lost bys they were, they just walked into a nightmare M that would take them decades to wake up from This the deevil's quarry no shheriff's case file on the murder of Joseette, right You'll find page after page of the cops' handwritten scribbles Some of those scribbles concern Anthony and Andy isn't and there is a clear story of their personal and criminal backgrounds If there was one, it might sound something like this beginning a decade prior. Bys' lives took a hard turn Anthony and Andy had been each other's ride or die since they were of grade school age. I met Andy around ten. Okay, maybe eleven. We're family, like now Oh, they're family, all right When Anthony was eight, he stumbled in on his father having sex Anthony was confused For one thing, the woman in question wasn't his mom His mom was in the hospital recovering from surgery For another, the woman was a lot younger than Anthony's mom and his dad I heard seventeen but eighteen at best I was coming out of my room and then they were on the couch I didn't understand what I was looking at That young woman was Donna Creat, Andy's older sister Anthony's dad ended up marrying Donna Crereebeak. Meanwhile, Anthony and his mom moved to family shelters, where they survived on public assistance for several years Anthony's only consolation was meeting Donna's kid brother Hy. He winds up translating into my step uncle The two boys became fast friends Umm You know, he was crazy You know, if it's that def fyy do it. He did a stint or two in Juvie. He would like to take his dirt bike and the cops would be chasing him and he would just go with the dirt bike.. He loved to be chased by the copsomomom What the two boys had in common was their betrayal by a parent Andy's mom had been out of the picture for years. And then a stepmom walked out She was the closest thing he'd had to a mom He soon began to act out in class getting into scrapes with the other kids And by the time he hit his twins, he'd been bounced to special schools the kind for kids with coonduct disorders. The misery of company, especially in childhood. Anthony been gutted by the rupture in his life If suddenly broke and homeless, he'd had to change schools And that is new one Bullies were relentless All these other kids had great families, big swimming pools, nice houses. I'm wearing garbage clothes like couch potato shirt and ripped jeans and cheap sneakers and they would make fun of me for this They would spin on me, they would throw things at me. A lot of people calling me the pipppo to hipppo because now I'm eating all bad stuff because what do you have access to when you're poor? you cheap food You know, and you eat a lot of it when you don't have it around. So I always harbored kind of like a resentment for these people that would make fun of me An the other thing he and Andy had in common They love the meathead circus of WrestleMania Wrestling was like the typical good first bad. You have Luke Skywalker, you have Darth Vader. Every hero needs a villain And so for me, that wound up being like Hulk Hogan and Andre a giant. Hulk Hogan at the time represented everything good, at least the character, right He and Andy would watch the payer views at Andy's house Lking at the stunts they saw on screen So they they had this big blue cage and Hulkogan was beaten up Kink Kunk Bundy and his ribs were taped, and then all of a sudden Bundy did the splash and avalanche in the corner hits them with the splash and we think it's over. then Hulkogan kicks out and then he throws against the cage and then picks him up and slams them and then pins them and then does all this flexing and stuff. and I'm like That was really cool. Two friends wrestling was their rewrite desesk. The way to change their story lines in life They started lifting weights and practicing kick flips in their basement They stage those mini WrestleManias in their backyards And as they got bigger, they shared other things too for cigarettes and beer than we in PCP M many an afternoon, you'd find him in some kid's basement Crankking Wu Tang and talking gain to the ninth grade girls I didn't have a brother of my age. I mean, he's the closest thing that I've had to having a brother From Town's perspective, these two were partners in crime They sold and consume narcotics and shared them without risk girls from the group home Josette was often seen hanging out Back to that bag of angel dust, the cops found in Andy's pocket. When Andy asked Anthony to claim it was his Anthony didn't think twice So I told the cops, I'm like, hey, this guy, you got to let him go. I was just wearing that coat and I accidentally must have put that in his pocket. You know, they didn't let him go, they didn't let me go. and what about Dom? He went home That night you were Dam had been released after a few hours Andy, meanwhile, went home a few days later with a misdemeanor count for possession Not Anthony He wound up with a felony charge and sat in the county cell for six weeks You couldn't make bail. What was the problem? No, well, Big Larry thought that I should learn my lesson I think Larry was Anthony's stepdad Hed entered the frame after Anthony's folks split. and eventually pulled the boy and his mom out of crisis He moved them into his big house in Carmel. treated Anthony like he was his own son Better still, Big Lyary had a rep around town He owned a thriving waste management firm. Iome said to have had connections I mean, if you ask the district attorney, he's probably gonna to tell you he's a mobster. But He's just a really good hearted person in the garbage business Big Larry had tried to scare Anthony straight when he dropped out of school at sixteen He' also hired him a lawyer for his earlier scrapes So naturally, Anthony phoned him after the PCP bust I called big Larry and I'm like, Larry, you know, I was begging Larry to help me out. And Larry's like, you need to sit there But after this bust, no So Anthony would have to gut it out sweating two years of dope through his pores detoxin cold turkey in a basement cell with the least of his worries real terror was waiting upstairs Horseshoe Online Casino has a special offer for you, New Jersey. New users can get five hundred bonus spins in their first month on games like Huff and lots of puff and more. It's simple and rewarding to play your casino favorites. Download it and play today. Must be twenty one plus and physically present in New Jersey. mininimum wagering within five days required to unlock bonuses. 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Listen to Skylland Drive How to Live Forever on the iHart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts The jail itself is connected to the sheriff's office. The building is one So it's a pipeline of information, whatever they want. Anthony had been to lock upp before and had a sense of how the place functioned. Whenever the sheriff's detectives want an intel call down and say, send the inmate up And they get them people that are going are either under interrogation or the rats and they're going to give some information And so The morning after Anthony's arrest, the guard sent him upstairs still wasted from the night four He sat with two detectives in an interrogation room They started off asking who we hung with. local folks who popped up on their radar. And then they suddenly switched started asking about Joseette right Anthony flinched. He'd been popped for possession. What did that have to do with a dead girl Did you see the girl? Yeah, I saw her walk around a few times We knew the girl, we knew a little bit about her family life. we knew She wandered a lot This went on for a while, to no effect Nose cops gave up In came the heavy headers There was a Castallo. Gistaldo, the Elvis impersonator with a pomador haird As the compop who'd investigated Joseet's disappearance He been namely detective in her murder There was Bill quuick Quick, like Estaldo was a veteran detective at the Putnham Sheriff's office. neither of them had run a homicide before And once Jooseed's body was found They were under fierce pressure to get a result They were getting aggressive and they were trying to be like, we know you know something. They were accusatory and raise voices. and then one cop would go out and then we have another cop come in and be like, you should just tell him a little bit better and what more you know. And he would be more nicer. So the good cop, bad cop was a real thing. According to Anthony, one of the cops playing bad cops dinosaur named Don Kalarney You know, when they say you age, everything gets bigger, Well that really happened to this guy I'm sitting across from Don Kalarney, and I'm like, listen I don't like this. I play the fifth I want my lawyer. he's like Fuck you fuck the fth and fuck your lawyer. We have a murder case here And he was like big with his hands were out and, you know all ears, all nose, all forehead. They interrogated Anthony for hours A week or so later, Anthony was driven to neighboring Brewster Wh he was arraigned on the felony drug count On their way back to lockup, the detective at the wheel turned to him Michael Balld drove me from the felony hearing in Brewster And he put me in the front seat and I didn't have no handcuffs on Right. He says, seeee how easy you're sitting there It's gonna be really easy for you. We got this investigation with this little girl. I know you're involved with all these drugs. likeike we know you're doing the PCP. We know you know everybody. We know you know something. And then according to Anthony, Ballstown shifted. Tuchch a deal,ly son give you witness protection, pay your way to college He says Or you know what I can do I can take you over to Fields Lane right now and blow your head off Of course of the next week, says Anthony He was hauled into interrogation rooms half a dozen times In One of those sessions, he agreed to a polygraph test I sit down into this chair And I remember notice I looked at the machine, the machine said nineteen sixty nine. And even in ' ninety five, I'm like It looks like an earthquake machine Right Roted dials And then he puts like, you know when they do the oxygen for you? He puts one on my pinky And then he puts a blood pressure cuff on me And he's got three cards and he pulls one card out. he's like, one's going to be a lie, but you just say yes to everything. So you're like does this card have a blue dot? Yes. Does this card have a red dot? Yes. Does this card have a yellow dot? Yes. And one of the cards dot different Next thing I know my lawyer literally breaks through. door And he had like a red eye from, I don't know. He must have got hit with something. So one eye was completely red. He's got like this long duster. And he just looked like a hero in a fricking wind And he says, you got to get my client off this thingink. You got to come with me. You got to get out of here. laawyer, Jim Reeds, had helped him out of scrapes in the past Today though, Anthony has no idea how Rates knew about the polygraph test. I'm ling What's going on He's like, Dad, we're gonna make you confess brought Anthony back to his cell. And the first chance he got he called home in a panic I was yelling with Larry on the phone. I think they're going to charge me with murder. 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Why is it important for the darker part of the Declaration of Independence and the American Revolution Why is it important that Americans know about it Well, if we don't understand The full context in which our nation was founded We won't understand contexts in which our nation now finds itself I'm Rebecca Nagl, Gohin, Daadon, Jelekca Yetleli, gay laa, citizen of Cherokee Nation. Are guys big chief fans? Hell yeah This is First America, the true story of how the United States came to be and how we got to this present moment Listen to First America on the IiHart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts I'm Mgish Sa Tet and I'm back with a new season of the podcast Skyline Drive This time I'm diving into a rabbit hole of peptides, organoids, blood boys, blue zones, and brain replacement to try to understand what this longevity obsession is all about and what it really means to live forever for all of us I learned about some rad science. 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So now I'm in the garbage business I love the garbage business You were hanging the truck and you thow it, Hir in your wind, all these you know, these women, these old ladies coming out with sandwiches and foil and old cake that tastes like asparagus and you know, all the delies would be giving me sandwiches, bars and hot wings. And it was really the time of my life Alas, when he wasn't puling garbage, he was getting up to trouble Parting with his crew like nothing had happened When I came home, the next thing was Nglia Big D Neglia The guy behind the wheel the night, the three of them got pinched for possession Anthony wasn't seeing much My those days Big Dam was right there for him. So like he was picking me up. We would hang out, sometometimes we' go Newberg, we would go to New York City, and we would drive back You know, sometimes we just go get pot and we hang out and One day we were in Danbury had He said something about Susan Wright Wait a second Susan Wright As and Choseet's mom. Anthony knew her from when he'd partied at the White House with Joseette's oldest sister Dom Dom didn't grow up in Cnel. that didn't make me feel good because Why does he even know this person's name And I looked at him funny And it felt like I was being recorded Sitting in that car, Anthony flashed to the night they were all arrested for PCP And something that Dom did that night as they were driving home. that had never made sense to him Dominic does something really, really, really, really weird He's like, I gott to call my grandmother He's living with his grandmother at the time. It' somewhere between three before maybe AM. It was just like, why are you calling your grandma this late? She's probably sleep But Anthony was half asleep himself handandy was ononked in the back seat. Saddam pulled over and made his phone call After Dom made the phone call, it was all backroads. I'm like, we gott to be really safe So we're driving behind the hospital and we're using all these backways and shit. And that's when we get pulled over I came back to him now Dom got into a separate cop car that night Why they let Dom go home after they booked him and Andy for possession Damn the reason those cops grilled him about Josette You threat to kill him if he didn't come clean Hell was Stomp still working with the Putnam cops to pin the murder of a twelve year old on him. Anthony snaped back to the present I told Dom to pull over Got out of the car Yeah, I slammed the door on him. I slammed the door in his face and I called him a rat Anthony things took a turn after that night in Big Dom's car He'd started sniffing cooke at all night raves Now he sniffed or smoked it whenever And that habit fed his mounting paranoia After four or five months of bad choices and daily drug use Anthony felt his life spinning out When you do cocaine for a long period of time, it starts to wear on you. My mind was kind of changing. like the street life, this is all like starting to stress me out And so in June of ' ninety six, Anthony decided to make a change He was on parole at the time and figured the smart thing to do Let's just go back to jail violate parole by failing a drug test. and then use the time and lock upp to hit reset. He was relieved even excited about the prospect. I'm actually feeling like