Pairing Wine With Chocolate

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Welcome to bottoms up with Alan Car and Lee Pierce and we're here to talk about wine, but also have a good time . Good one, very good indeed. You gotta be in it to win it . And we're also we're on a mission, aren't we? To solve your wine dilemmas, make it ac cessible for you. And we've solved so many so far. People have been writing in in their droves for us to help them out, basically. We're missions and we're in a we're missionaries in a missionary position . If you want to if you want us to solve your dilemmas, then please do get in touch with us. How can they do that ? How can they do that, Alan? My name's Alan . I am your co host . How can they do that ? Alan ? Well, Lee , thank you for asking . How do they? Beginning email bottoms up at listen.co. uk if they're a little bit more traditional, pop on the little email or they can at us at bottoms up show on socials. Yeah, we're here. If you're a bit like us, sometimes you're online buying one or you're in the off license and you're like, what do I go for? Well, we're going to help you choose better . Save yourself some money, go for that hot vineyard, that hot grape, that hot area. Branch out. And also , as if you watched last week's episode by the brilliant Alex James, you will know that this episode later on is getting inter active . So if you have popped out to the shops and got the wine and the bits that we said , then get ready because later on we're going to be uncaulking them together and you can drink along with us. Right . If you haven't seen this show, you'll know that we start with a welcome drink. And this week I have chosen this. It's called Amy. Now that logo looks familiar, you've brought that round my house. I have. We had a rose not too long ago because last week we were saying, weren't we that I was like, I'm done, I'm done with whispering Angel. And we ended up choosing what you and Alex chose the screaming Devil, was it? Screaming devil that right. So this is Amy. Now we brought I brought this round and you really loved the Rose A. Now it's from the Black Farmer, which actually we're recording in the broadcaster. We love it here, don't we? But opposite is a gorgeous little place called the Black Farmer. It's just like food, wines, gorgeous little kind of artisan bits that you can pick. People won't believe this, but we like the salad bar there. We really like the salad bar. I do. Didn't I have something green in my, what was it called the tray? Yeah, had a couple of green things, and then you add quite a lot of the jerk potato salad . So I didn't know you were watching me eat. I said , you know , but listen, I then saw this bottle of wine. Do they salad barge? Is it by weight? No no, this is what I love about the salad. Why wouldn't you put in the jacket the potatoes in? What do you mean? Is that when you go to the cinema and then you put the fudge in hello two hundred pounds? Yeah, yeah. My mood used to be like, you know, having the snake weigh too heavy. Yeah. The snake is too heavy. Flying saucer ones. Yeah, they'd fill your boots with it and they were like, yeah, you'd fist the cup down. You'd be like, you'd push it down to 'cause when it was by cup that was like, yeah. Because I think with the flying saucer ones,. Actually the cinema owned you because they were so light . The fudge and the toffee boy error. Yeah, yeah, totally. You want the little like foamy ones, don't you? The flumps flumps are gray. Yeah. Gob stoppers. way. Stop stop. You end up remortgaging your hound. Exactly. Well, anyway, back to the wine. We can't. I wish I wish he has a go bstopper . I'll joke I just joke . Come on the barn joke. I'm sorrowing because I'm snoring I know you like a bumper sticker. I know you like a red I know you like a red. So I got you because I know you like that Amy. I got you they've done a red as well. So this is and I've never heard of this. We could ask our wine expert who's coming on later, but it's a caringon. Caragnon? What? It's a great variety. Caragnon, I want to say , which I found in Spain and I think you'll say but this is France. So it's a great variety . It's apparently quite similar to a cabernier Sauvignon. And Channo know, what you? know You, I'm very shallow. People who watch the podcast or listen to it, know I love a label. I am loving the Picasso Essentially drawing. And I would be drawn to that. It's very simple. Look at that. Yeah. Apparently they want the couple that made it that run the company , they wanted something that looks quite of, you know, high end. It does look high end. Should we have a taste of it? Oh, I love the smell. The smell is yeah. So like I said, it's similar to a cab sav . What do you think of that? Oh , oh my god , that's so nice. Do you love it? Cry? about the Northern Lions and you cried the other day. Oh no. This is so tasty. I know. I knew it would be because when I had that rosea, I was like, oh , so I just You know what? When I opened this, I got a bit nervous 'cause I was thinking, I really hope you like this. It's funny when you get like, you know, when you love a bottle of wine, then you try another one like a rosary or a white now, please don't mess it up. So what's been going on? What's happening? Well , I'm a bit of a weirdo , even though that's fine. Yeah. You heard it first. I'm just getting in there before people say it. But what's new ? Oh God . You know I don't like films are fun and boring , they're not about me. Why am I sitting here ? I could be doing something me related . I've been here for three hours and films ain't like they used to be now three hours. And listen, that Leonardo DiCaprio last one. My ass does not do epics . Is that the name of the show? Yes , I prefer the sequel . And well, I'm gonna campaign. You know what we campaign fored putting the campaign camp into ing put the pain into it a camp campaign ? What would you prefer a camp? Anyway, I campaign for walking lanes, fast walking lanes. I will also campaign for intervals in films . Yes. Like that's what I think. I think it's too long. It's too late there. Did you think we've not got the attention span? Pardon Round, I'm not sure my candy crush away. No. Yeah, but I do like the Oscars . Yes. And even though I haven't seen any of them, although I have seen one of the films. Well, you got a list there, haven't you? Go on. I spoil the magic . Emma Stone in Bagonia , that is. Now for me who has no attention span, that film is amazing. That film should win everything . Hamnett now everyone's buzzing about Jesse Buckley and Hamnet, but have you heard people feel that they have been manipulated ? What do you mean? People get quite angry that it's so emotional they leave they feel like they've been played . Now she's tipped, she's one of gold. She's a fantastic actress. You know, and I remember her from what was it? Do you? I remember her from How do you solve a problem like Maria? Oh yes . I do anything I do anything . Oh, is it I do anything ? I don't remember a from I do anything. Yeah, well the same thing but Olive Nice, different music she was ordered. And you remember, Andrew Lloyd Weber was desperate for her to win. Do you remember how fuming he was when Jodie Pranger won it?. You remember No. Well, I do. Wow . Good for you . And yes, Jesse Batehammer was gonna say about Jessie and then I saw her in cabaret. Well, I never saw her. I saw Edd Redieman, but she was was off. She off. Oh, 'cause there and Eddie Redman made it was the best bit of theatre I've ever seen. No, I know. I thought Eddie was great, but I was annoyed. It was her understood. I can see you as MC. That is a role I would love to play. Thank you for saying that He's sinister, a bit dubious, a bit dodgy. What's he up to? I don't trust him. You'd be perfect . And then we've got Renata Removsweiay sentimental value never heard of it, but I'm sure it's good. Yeah. Kay have this coverage is brilliant . And I will be on the red carpets in Hollywood. Who are you? Never heard of it. He's got an interesting anecdote, Jessie, about ? The sound of music, sound of music . No, but Kate Hudson's song sung blue, now I have a lot of time for Kate Hudson. I was a bit drunk and tried to gate crash a party that Judy Dench was hosting . How? Well, I was walking past and I was a bit pissed and I heard this music coming out and I thought, 'Oh, that sounds like a good party . ' And I go in there and the man goes, 'You're not coming in. You're pissed. ' I was like, 'How rude, ' hello . And as I walked out, I bumped into her, Kate Hudson. She went , Allan, oh my God, I chatted you on Chadi Man. I said, Yeah, I said, They won't let me in that party. You come with me. So we walked through. And she went, My friend, Alan Carr is on the list. And I went out that to the man . Yeah. Yes. And I went in and I vomited over Judy Dench . No, no, I didn't. I went in there and I partied and it was a free bar. And she was super sweet. I hate to Judy. I didn't speak to Judy. You left Judy alone. Well, I've taken the piss. I'm at a party already that I shouldn't even be invited to. I'm not gonna start working the room . Judy, Darling. Jude. Thanks. I'm drunk . Thanks for the invite. So, you know, it's been pretty cold recently. I'm in the park and this woman who I do see sometimes have got my two dogs in the park, she comes after me minus one . I said, Oh, I know, but at least the sun's out No , minus one. I put my dog down. She was minus one dog. She wasn't saying the temperature. No . No , and I'm not . I'm like yes, but you like, you know , there are possibly people that up load. Very much like morning , minus one. Yes like that. I know in all one over lease the sun's out. But I had another posh dog walker. I've lost my dog. I've lost my dog. I said, Oh my god, let me help you look for it. It's liver colored. What the function? Liver colored? Oh, I know. And she she's fourteen, but looks about eight . So I'm looking for dogs that's had work done . I just think you're not in the real world . They live in a whole different other staspere. It's like Saltburn . I want to be like Saltburn. The posh woman from Salt Rada sent it home of your cocker. You've done that before. We can't go back to Blendin Ballards . I could do that at your castle. Walk around naked. Yes, no way. Why not? Object dart are everywhere. I put the price up and put the value . Right. Is the only thing that will be going up. Bare off said it. We're all thinking it. I tell you what I am thinking about. Saint Patrick's Day. So Paddy's Day. Now , we're not what they call it Down with the Irish . Are do you celebrate St. Patrick's Day? Do you like a bit of a, do you like a guiness ? I don't I don't like a Guinness. I'm not a really guinis person . I don't really know what Guinness is. Now what is Guinness? Is it like molt or something? Is it like a mold ? Do you know the weird thing ? Don't like Guinness, but I love Guinness Soda Bread. Oh, and they do Guinness Cake as well, don't they? Yes. So it's funny, because you know what? This is so boring, but I'm gonna say it anyw ay. Can't wait . Great. I hate coffee It's one thing we don't have in common , isn't it? Because I love coffee. I'm a coffee guy. You are a cup of tea all the way. I ate coffee and yet I will have coffee cream in a quality street and a taramazoo. And an espresso martini. An espresso martini . An escaffe and a gold blend. Something tells me you like coffee. I know hate it . Not full stranded. Because I got that nespresso . Yeah , and I don't know how it works because wasn't there a rumor about you? There was a rumor I will say is untrue. I'm the first to throw you under the bus, but I will thank you, Darling Thank you . But I will say I am the first to stab you in the back when even that was too much . No, I said, This isn't true. What was it? It was on a gossip website . I am tight and someone's come around my house. I don't know who they are, but they said to a gossip , I am so tired, even though I have a posh coffee machine , I give people instant because I don't wanna use the pods. Yeah And it can never do it always kind of alludes to, doesn't it? Which camp funny man who wears glasses doesn't offer his guests the posh pods offers them the pod you get the pods from ? And I don't trust it. You put a pod in? It doesn't mean you don't trust you don't trust a coffee machine . Well now how does it work? Where's the extra pods? Where the pods go? No, but they were saying that you give yourself the pods and you give them . I don't know it's just there. It's an ornament . It is, I don't know how to use it. Well, listen, all this coffee chat's getting me nowhere. Come on, shall we? What are we doing in the beginning? Oh no , I Yeah. So I think it's important to be honest here. Neither of us knew what this was. And our lovely producer Harry said, Do you want to split the G ? And I went, yeah , which is apparently a viral trend. Jualeepa did it recently. I love Julia Lipa. It's great if you want to know what other words are in other countries . I'm always on Julepa. So you do this thing when you do this thing where you down the guinness. I thought you'd down it or you don't. You drink it from a Guinness cup with the logo and you have to kind of guess, you know, like the Whitney Houston trend where you have to bang the drum where you think it's going to come in where it's like okay yeah yeah yeah you have to guess where and you have to get the foam so it completely splits the letter G. It's a challenge. It's a challenge. Oh, I get it. Shall we do it? Yeah, let's do it. All right. Split that G. This is called Split the G . Hello Jay ,p preare to be split . Ready yeah ? Oh It's like a bush took a trial . . That's disgusting . Can I still keep going? No, you have to do it in one go so that's where you've got two. That's where you've got me . Got it the art . Okay , got so much more to go. I would have been sick. Oh no, I'll wash it down Okay , so I'm a pointing in this here Oh , you got to kick off a doubt. I don't think I've really ever drunk guinness properly. All right, here we go. So split the G. Oh , she so manly . Oh my god, look at you . Aw fall Nallos . Well, we gave it a good go at least. Yeah, and John, there's one more thing left to say . Happy Paddy's Day . Yes. Bottoms up . Plan B is a backup birth control option that's there for you when things don't go according to plan. It specifically works after unprotected sex and before pregnancy occurs by temporarily delaying ovulation. 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Posh, it's posh . So hi Alan and Lee. I am seven months pregnant and major look at me . Majorly missing wine. I've been smashing the nozecho, but it just isn't cutting it. I've been loving the podcast and noting down all the wine recommendations for when the baby arrives and I can enjoy a few glasses again . On the final countdown now. If you hadn't been able to drink wine for nine months , what would be top of your list to have once you could drink again? Well, firstly, Beth , congrats. I will say that. If you want to avoid this, I would say just do not get pregnant. We can't lose any more people to this group. I know, I know . That's nine months of sales. We're gonna lose. But that's fine. But just think about it next year. Yeah. Don't be so selfish . But then my mum when she was pregnant with me, smoked, drank, and took heroin. And it shows just FYI she didn't. Do you think she'd be more offended? Smoke . No, listen, can I just say with my mum I love my mum , but I recently said an interview that Aunt Bessie was more of a mum to me than I didn't know my mum actually read the interviews and she just sent me a text away , Aunt Bessie, she said, I love my mum. My mum is a great cook and aunt Bessie was not like my real mum. I can't believe I'm saying it. But I wrot bead. I didn't know my mum read an, I just say, You're using this episode as like a right of reply for all the things I don't give cheap coffee to people. I'm sorry, my mom is wrong? Why you don't tell me? If anyone like wine, I'm just trying to quote all those rumours that I'm an arsol and it's not working . Right. Well, firstly, let's answer a question. What would be top of our list to have a drink if we couldn't drink for nine months? So say you were in a coma or something like for nine months like what's the first drink? If you got pregnant, you can't drink for nine months. What's your first one? I'm going to say it's Malbegg. It's Malbeck. It's a red , n itice' res ad from Argentina, Mendoza. I go for that every time I see it on the menu. People who've watched and listened to his podcast will know that. So yeah, for me, I'm already going to say I'm Albek. Yeah. For me , not to be like awkward, but it would depend on the time of year. All right. So if it was the height of summer, it would be a lovely pale, nice rose . Yeah, if it was winter time a red . But this podcast has made me really into my pinot noise . I don't know, it's a revelation. I do think I've just been stuck on the Malbec train. Why are you pouring three ? No . Well, we'll save that for our wine expert later on. Yes, lovely Heather's coming back. But we've poured here , right? So we've got three here. Let's focus. Champagne, we've got a chabelie and we've got a Maulbeck. So red, white, white, and we've got a shampoo. We've got bubbles. I think if I'd had a baby , this would be perfect. Well, it says after nine months off, you don't ease back in quietly, you pop and this is classic and celebratory and something to really mark the occasion. Oh, your money gone on nappies. This one's a steel. , okay. Hold on before I say this. How is it nice? It's so lovely. What is it called comp what? This is Little's own Compte de Little It's Little De Seneval , which has been voted better than Moe , which apparently you say wet you don't say Moe . And it's only thirteen ninety nine. It has a lively mousse with notes of biscuit, lemon and green apple . That is very because I was chatting to a wine expert ages ago and they said with a lot of champagne you pay for the label. You just pay for the label. That is delicious. Yeah. That's some little. And yeah, and it re tells her around thirteen ninety nine cents. So again, you've just had a baby. I mean, she lives in Wilmslow, so I think Beth's doing all right for herself. Yes, it's a cost of living crisis. All right. Yes, living or as I say, living . Well, let's move on. We're moving on now to the chablay. Just a reminder here, Alan, if you could just pour two glasses of this, that would be great. Would you like a glass My imaginary friend is my designated driver. No, she's not drinking, Katie Right on Oh God, you're so silly. Okay, Shabbly, this is a sophisticated comeback. You're a mum now Beth. That's what they said. You're a mum now, Beth. After nine months of sweetness eco, you might be craving something crisp, mineral and grown up. This chabley is clean and dry and has a crisp apple, lemon peel and a stony, almost salty finish. This one's a bit more spinny. Apparently, oh, you're on higher end there. At nineteen fifty a bottle. Oh look, that's quite a grown human. So I think that's fair . And I will say what do they call it now? A push present. What? A push present. A push present. You not heard of this? No. It's called a push present. Oh God, they make this shit up . The men are meant to buy now the women something called a push present. So they're meant to get them a gift for pushing out for pushing out their baby. For pushing out their child . Well, yeah, because the women are doing all the work and they're like going through all the don't like the whole just don't like the whole Let me finish . No, I don't know, we're gonna get letters now. I don't say let me finish. I don't like the whole the whole commercial ization a vagina Isn't it? Well, no , it should be like an organic and amazing experience, but now you're like, oh, come on, push you get a present, you know, it's not like it's not like that. It's not like there's someone there like how harder you push the value goes up in the present. I want a Lamborghini . I don't know, I think I'm a traditional and I think babies and births. What was the question I think they just let it, yeah. I don't think it should be like, it's not fucking pointless , what ? What are you talking about? What are we saying? Okay , if you like a white wine, I think you will like that. I just don't like a white wine. I really like that to be fair. It is lovely and it's very drinkable . I think because I'm going to take she's been drinking the seco for so long , she might be sick of bubbles. I know there are different types of bubbles. I get that. I get that. So maybe she might want just a nice crisp glass of white. This is Helena over there is swallowing sick, but I'm moving the champagne to the chablay because I, like a dick, poured an extra wine for someone who wasn't there that I thought was a ghost . So I'm gonna do that. Okay, stop judging me, please We're moving on to your favourite. It's a Malbeck. After nine months away we'd be gagging for a Malbeck, wouldn't we? And after all that restraint, you don't tip toe back in, you go bold, you go juicy, plush, and properly satisfying. This is the I've earned this glass . This is Argentinian Malbeck from Mendoza, your favourite Allen, velvety in texture, it's round, smooth and full flavoured with spicy aromas, smooth tannins rich plums and cherries. So this is seven pounds fifty . This is seven pounds fifty . This is seven pounds fifty. I got that the fourth time . Oh God , let's just carry on. It's seven pounds fifty best. It's best having a baby for fat.. You're having a baby I'm having a baby. You know what? This is gonna take nine months for us to get through this if we're not careful. So seven pounds fifty. Okay. How much did it have fifty? So eleven pound usually , but it's discounted down. Outweightrose is seven pound fifty. It's bloody good. Because I always think that's a good tip. If you ever look at discounts, you see what it was before. You know, when it's like specialized , but we're taught as a society. You look at something that's gone down in value. It's not good . But this seven pound fifty for this , oh, do you know what? I will say though, I drink that . I would never have guessed that was a Malbeck . I don't think that tastes like a usual Malbeck. It's a little bit lighter and it's a little bit sweeter for me than usual. But I still love it. Now that for me tastes like a Malbeck. Oh,? really Oh, I don't get . Yeah. Our producer is telling us to move on. He's basically saying the baby is now doing its GCE . And it's now moved into higher education. Graduated , married with a kid itself . Okay, I'm gonna go do you know what? Love a Malbeck which you like this and it's cheap and it's gorgeous I'm inclined to agree. I do love that Malbeck and I really fancy that shabb ly but I, will say I think there's no better occasion. Champagne signals, boom. You've popped it every occasion like Alex James said last week. He said for every occasion, bubbles, bubbles, bubbles, celebration, even if we're indoctrinated to think that old bubbles and champagne , that is lovely and refreshing. And you know what? You've just given birth to a child . Oh , enjoy it. Enjoy it, Beth. Best of luck. We wish you all the best. And Alan is a lovely name. For a child . Cheers, Beth, bottoms up. That's not medical advice for the birth, it's We don't know how it worked. If you'd done it in the first place, she wouldn't be pregnant Now joining us is a woman who knows her way around a wine bottle. Last time she was here, she compared me to a Beaujalet expensive, classy and perfect for every occasion . She compared Lee to a Rosa that goes down easily . It's Helena Nicholin, how are you? Hi . I'm really well, thanks. Good to be back. How are we getting on, Helena? I'm a bit scared . We've been watching some of them previous bits. Do you think we've learned anything ? Yes, sort of. Yes. You have your pronunciation's got quite good as well, I've noticed. I know because that is difficult that. Yeah , you're knowing how to say it and you don't want to look stupid. And am I right where it's actually wetter chandel? Yes. Correct. But do you sound like a bit of a wanker where you say. So was it Moe is wet? Yeah, 'cause isn't it Dutch? Wet Division ? That's how you would say it. With Dichondau, is that like wet wipes? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's you love wet, wet, wet . Love is all around. And is it like that? What's it called that song? Wet as pussy I've been rapping it wrong. I feel so stupid at that karaoke . There's some horses in this house. There's some horses. I've got this pussy . Now, listen, we teased last week that so many people have got in touch and thank you so much for doing so. If you do want to get in touch, it's bottoms up at listen.co. UK or please do DMA's at bottoms up show on socials. And I think overwhelmingly, a lot of people have said, we would love to drink along with you. We would love to, you know, some people listen to us on the commute, fine, whatever , don't drink on the tube or whatever. But a lot of people want to sit down with a glass and kind of go along with us. So we've teased it that this is interactive. What are we doing this week? Well, you've already touched on Old World and New World with Libya I noticed with these sparkling wines a while ago, but I thought we'd actually see what that really tastes like in the glass with some still dry red wines today. Okay. And so people have gone out and they've bought a bottle of little giant if you're tasting along with us. And what is this one? This is a Capetitan. It's a crows homage . Right? So the thing to know here is these are the same grapes, but one is called Sira, one is called Shiraz. Yeah, I don't really know what serra is. Yeah, Sir's grape, chirazz is a grape. They're actually the same grape , but when it went over to Australia, al thosethough years ago, there was a pronunciation Is it like when Jiff turned to sift ? local fruit, starburst? And I don't know Jiff as a shot . Chablies very citrus. Insides, you can eat your dinner of lovely. Yes. This is not the same . But the Australian version of Charaz e actually evolved in style . And actually if you're comparing like a French one from the Rhone Valley, a Sira to an Australian one from Barossa, you can really see what old world and new world means in the glass. If I see a cheraze, am I to assume that it's Australian? Most of the time , but actually you will now see that elsewhere. But what it generally means is that if it's a Shiraz, it's a bit more jammy, it's a bit more fruity, it's a bit more peppery, it's a bit more like damsony. And that's old world. That's New World. New world, sorry. Yes. Old World is basically Europe where they've been making wine for centuries. Now the new world is the Americas, you know, South Africa . And there is a different style. Old World world, so it's European, more associated with traditional wine making, not quite as vibrant, not quite as fruity. It's heavier. It could be more earthy, a little bit more complex sometimes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Older techniques, whereas New w Wineorld , it's all like here I am. It's exciting, it's all about sunshine. It's not always as complex. I mean, that's really generalizing. But if you like it bold and fruity and in your face and unapologetic, new world , if you like'd to, you know, maybe think about it a little bit more of a dinner, maybe old world. So is this interactive segment, are we going to try and find out now are we a new world person or are we an old world? Exactly. Yes. So I've tried to find quite an old world style of syrup. So that's the great. This is one from the Rhone Valley. It's called Crow's Hermitage because wine's annoying, there's so much to learn about it. You kind of need to learn that Crow's Hermitage means it's a hundred percent serum from the Northern Rome Valley. Okay. It's one of those things . This one is from Waitros. Okay. It's quite pricey. It's about seventeen fifty . But this is like your Posh dinner party wine. Yeah . There you go. Yeah, treating yourself . Yes, exactly. But have you got old world and new world chocolate ? What today? You're gonna have like a bounty that's got the cardboard in it. Hey kids, do you remember that? I bet you have a marathon and a snickers. Yeah. Yeah. The marathon is old world. And snickers is new? Yeah. BJM supermarket, old world . What did it be jam? What did it become? Oh my god now I feel old . I think I know Iceland, Iceland is the new name for Beej. No, that's not old world. It's prehistoric. So if you are going along at home , we are starting with the Sira. We are, yes. So if you take that, give it a good smell. Here. Yes, that's the one . And just sort of note how it smells. Does it jump out the glass or is it a little bit more reserved? It's reserved. It is quite reserved like you know banging me in the face. Look at me. It's not like that 's not Gay Jerry Hallowell 's good. One retina back in the room back in the room . But not compare that smell to the other one to the Shiraz. Okay , just because and I think you'll see that that one really is jumping out the glass. Right. Oh yeah. Oh my god. Yeah , yeah. Boom, right? That's Jerry Haniwell when she was in the Spice Girl. So that's when she went single, look at me . It's Rain and Man. Yes, that's it. Yeah. Latina. What's that one? The Spanish Word? Chico Lad ico Latin o. To be fair, if Jerry was a wine, she'd be a white 'cause she only wears white. She would be a . There's no way she'll be drinking red wearing white all the time. What is she ? She would be a chambly or she'd be like a chambly but she would be a little bit like a grunevellina because there's a sort of gingery fiery kick on the finish Okay, but it's still very lean. It's still a white wine. Baby la shop tequila. That famous wine, tequila . Yes. Emma Banton? Lipra Milk knows she'd be like, she'd be like a prosecco, I think. Or have you ever fan? Bubbly. Yes pice. No . Well, I think at her son's wedding , she would be more she would be, or would she ? Where's this girl ? Who would she be? Who would she be? Let's get out of our system. Who would possibly be before the wedding? She would be naked wines . Sorry, Camry on. Other wine merchants are available. They are. I think she'd be this. I think she'd be a postera from the Rome Valley. Oh yeah, she is she's post. She's parshes. But do you think she'd be new? Yeah, so you think she'd be she's definitely old world . Yeah. Yeah, I think so. That's lovely. I know you're not going to drink it yet. Oh, it's a lovely. Well, look, let's start with that big one, then seeing as you've both got it in your hands, we oh, you've got different wines in, right? Right. What have you got there? Because people are trying to share wine. We need to make this seamless so that the interactivity comes back now and then . I need my son Scorsese . People are sad at home gagging for it they are. Anna why let's do the old world first come on because it's actually better Which one the old world is that one ? Thank you. Don't worry, luckily you can see the difference from here. So right, so give it a smell. So that's kind of dark fruit. It's a little bit spicy. Not too much away. Mysterious strangerers. Quite minally, bit like a bit of earth in there as well. Should we have a taste of the old world? Let's taste it. And you sort of think when you hear Old World, you expect musty, don't you st weuffar, but it's not. Yeah. No, not necessarily. But when you compare it to a new world wine, it can feel much more reserved, much more traditional much it doesn't feel old. It feels secure confident. Like it's wearing a tie and a suit. I like that. That's nice. Yeah, easy to drink. Good with a stew. It doesn't blow your mind. It doesn't go bang like, it's just, yeah, it's drinkable.. Yeah, exactly Let's compare it to the second one. See what you think of that. And this is New World. This is a new cheraz. The Shiraz from Paraser Valley, which is and can I just say is this from Waitrose as well? Yes, it is about thirteen pounds. Okay. Now, the smell of that again, I probably would prefer the same as me It's bold, it's juicy. I think I prefer that. Yeah.. I'm new Am I a new world kind of guy? I'm a new world. But at home there's probably, you know, probably couples or housemates sat there going, I'm new world. I'm old world. We might split people up. You might disagree. Hopefully God. Wow. Our job's done. If we can ruin people's marriage, I know this hasn't been wasted . Here, Alan and Lee, we got divorced after your last word. Thanks for listening . So gone I can see a plate of chocolate there, which I keep getting my eye on. I'm like yeah, well and we got, you know, people went out bought and this chocolate. What we've got? Is that a dark and dark and a milk? Yes. And the reason I wanted to show this, well, I know that Easter is coming up as well or and you know, who doesn't love eating chocolate all year round as well? What would you pay her with an Easter egg? Oh, see, that's just the thing. Normally just another Easter egg box. In my house . But the problem is with sweet stuff, especially chocolate, it kills wine because that fat and the sugar really strips out the fruit. Do you know what? I had a bottle of Malbeck once and a family pack one of those . And I didn't like it so much. I went I drank it a very job. No, listen, sorry. I had a bottle of Mulbeck and I had those family pack of chocolate buttons , the massive ones that look like manoe cupboards . Oh yeah you, ate love them. It sport the wine. Yeah, it's a shame, but why? Why? Because there's a lot of fat, there's a lot of creaminess, there's a lot of sugar, and it kind of I don't know the science of it, but it definitely strips out all the fruit and it leaves your wine just tasting like metallic and thin . Yeah , when you're having it, you're like the wine the enjoyment of the wine is gone and the chocolate and the chicken. It makes the chocolate taste of sugar as well. Do you want to taste any chocolate? If you're desperate to have chocolate with wine. I love chocolate. Go dark. And so I chosen some dark chocolate here to try with both of these to see that actually, you know, and the more sweetness there is in wine so it'll probably go better with that one that actually you can pair a dark chocolate at least seventy percent with quite a fruity red wine. But as soon as you get into milk chocolate, it does it. And you can do both if you like. You can have a little trial. Yeah, so if you're at home, you can get grab your grab your milk . Are we going to do milk first? Milk, chocolate first and am I describing this? It looks like a chocolate looks like chocolate . It smells like it is a chocolate exactly . So we're having this we bite this first mill chocolate can't nice Nice. Get it all around your mouth. I do let it melt in the mouth. Yeah, exactly. And then take a little sip of the wine with it. Which one? It doesn't really matter about this I'd go Thank you . Yeah, . It doesn't matter either. I'm going old . How's the wine taste? No, you are right. It totally strips the wine of any . You're right. It's like you're just drinking like not water, but you're drinking something it totally strips the wine of any flavor and that's weird. You know what? You're right. It's like it's not it's weird. You wouldn't want to drink that. So I'd like to try some of this old world that I just drank with the milk chocolate. Poison. I'd like to now try it with the dark chocolate because will that technically taste slightly different? Yes, because it's not as sweet, there's not as much fat, there's not as much sugar. And I would like a bit more that cherass, please. Even though we're not having it with chocolate, I just like it Yeah , thank you. It's like a cozy blanket, isn't it? So if you're at home, grab your dark chocolate. Dark chocolate, yes , and take a good sort of swig of the wine as well because you've probably still got some of the milk chocolate. Chocolate first. Chocolate first? Yes, if you have that dark chocolate is delicious. I don't know . Is there a bit of sea salt in there? There should be actually in the milk chocolate, I think there was some sea salt. I can taste it in the dark. All right, so yes, there is Joe. Old world . Old world, dark chocolate. Let's see if this tastes any different. Yeah, you see it does. I get there more of the flavor of the red wine of that old world red wine with the dark than I did. The milk almost, like I said, neutralizes it . Isn't it weird? You know what? We were talking about the spice girls then and I was just thinking , you know, when the spice girls separate and you're like , okay . But when they come together like the chocolate and the wine fire. Yes. Do you know what I mean? That's how it should be. Yeah. It's like the spice girls have come together in my mouth. When we do it yeah, when two become one. Lucky it was one direction that's how I feel. Yeah . And I think you should stop right now Thank you so much, Helena . You've got a new podcast coming out, have you not? I do, yes, actually. In the springtime, it's the Helena Sipps podcast and it starts with a drink , but it's all about the rituals that bring you joy. So I'm talking to well known creatives about what blink brings and pleasure basically. And can we come on? Oh, well now you said it on camera, then yes, please. Oh my gosh, of course come on, we love you. Yes, please. Even after this conversation, you still want us on . If you have joined along with us for first , for our inaugural interaction, what did you call me? augural interactive podcast episode. I hope you could follow along with us. We will do it again. Thank you so much for doing that. You're welcome to have an absolute pleasure. If you have joined along at home, finish the rest of the bottle and have fun. Do whatever you want. Listen, if you've loved the episode, like, subscribe, and of course review because we are here for you . Give us your recommendations. Hopefully you'll learn from us . We want to learn from you. Yeah, please do send in your dilemmas as well. Please get in touch with those bottoms up at listen.co. uk if you want to send us an email, we're always checking them or if you want to slide into our DMs on socials, please do so at bottoms up show . And of course, please drink responsibly and go to drinkaway.co. uk for more info. Thank you so much. Helena, we love you. We love you. 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