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That's SO U NDS twenty five at pushkin.FM slash shaaping sounds to save twenty five percent on the audio book Thanks for listening Chapter thirteen our non stop studio while we were with Stevie Besides working on his own albums We worked alongside him and continuing as a team on two albums he produced One for his ex wife, Sereita right The other forinn Rippertton Serea Wright was a receptionist at the Motown offices in Detroit When Edward Holland of the Holland Doier Holland songwriting team Heard her singing and was impressed enough that he had her sing on some demos She met Stevie in nineteen sixty eight and they began dating about a year later Their relationship was both personal and professional Stevie encouraged her to write her own songs, and the two collaborated on his hit, Signed Sealed deelivered. I'm yours They married on september fourteenth, nineteen seventy And although they divorced only eighteen months later They remained good friends and collaborators. We worked on Sarita's debut solo album, Sarita Released on june twentieth, nineteen seventy two As I recollect, part of the divorce settlement was that Stevie would produce an album for her They worked amazingly well together, and she remained an important part of his team, providing lyrics, background vocals, and compositions for several years Yvon Wright No relation to Sereita was another important collaborator She wrote the lyrics to Girl Blue and Eil She would sit next to him at the piano while he was recording An whisperer lined to him a few bars ahead as he was playing and singing He was very tight with her. Music of my mind ends with evil A simple and incisive piece of social commentary that opened the door to our collective consciousness Evil Stevie asks exasperated, Why have you engulfed so many hearts? Why have you destroyed so many minds? The lyrics ring true to this day And musically, it has a fantastic opening Tonto front and center withith a noo sound and a foreboding bass The sound is simple, singular Sad and compelling. We first met Minnie Riperton when she came to the fulfillingness sessions to add background vocals We were so impressed that even though we were in the thick of it with our own project It didn't matter Malcolm, Stevie and I all jumped at the chance to work with her when her husband and songwriting partner, Dick Rudolph, asked us to help make her second record Perfect angel. I remember putting the bird sounds on her song Loving You which were reminiscent of the sound effects we used with Stevie on Living for the City Minnie had an extraordinary voice, especially in her falsetto register It was totally under her control and its clarity was astounding. Loving You became Riperton's biggest hit and topp the billboard hot one hundred chart on april fifth, nineteen seventy five It went on to sell over a million copies. We recorded most of the album at the record plant, LA. and mixed it at West Lake Audio Tom Hidley's new place We went there because it had the first API console with Fader automation And we track many of Mindni's vocals in the control room with all of us on headphones Tomad Bilt West Lake is a showroom to sell the latest studio gear. Use the control room in the back to demo h stereial design concepts the latest in recording consoles, and all the new gear coming to market. It wasn't really a studio Just a control room The store in the front was a showroom. And it gave us access to all the latest outboard gear in the industry It became our lounge during our nighttime sessions Sometimes we would sit on the floor up front, leaning against all these new racks of gear with its pistachio and brown shag carpeting eating pizza or a bucket of Kentucky fried chicken The API console only remembered fader levels. The rest was done in real time as usual The memory was stored on the first and last tracks of the master tape So every time we made an update We would have to jockey back and forth Printing the update on the alternate track. which caused the Fader moves to come back later and later and was overly complicated So Malcolm and I would make as many moves as possible and use the automation. as little as possible In the end We were happy with the record Once again Using the latest and greatest technology fed our creative spirit While we were working with Stevie on his projects There was little room or desire to work with anyone else There were dow times though, especially when Stevie was on the road That's when Malcol and I kept busy working on albums with other artists We recorded the Osley Brothers three plus three in nineteen seventy three while Stevie was touring and promoting Innervisions The Isleys were a true family affair. The original Isley Bothers consisted of O'Kelley Isley Jr. Rudolph Isley and Ronald Isley Th pllus three would be the first album to formally include the younger brothers Ernie on Guitar and Marvin on Bass, and brother in law Chris Jasper on keyboards. The original trio officially became a sex head Hence the album title It was both old school and new school R and B, with Ronneald's incomparable smooth lead vocals and Ernie's hard edged guitar leads Chris and Marvin brought new funk rock energy to the band. And the combination proved to be a significant artistic advance for them Our first meeting came when they walked in on us while we were mixing, Don't you worry about a thing with Stevie We already knew about them and figured out pretty quickly what they had in mind which was precisely what we had on our table As usual, we had a lockout in studio B to ensure our setup remained intact We would arrive early in the afternoon and prepare the room for work Once again, we track the basics with quad monitoring and the players in the control room The guys would usually arrive an hour or so after us and get started right away There was no dilly dallyying around the canteen They were always very single minded and down to business They came in well prepared, having played and perfected all the songs in rehearsal or on the road Ronald's lead vocals were terrific. He was at the top of his form, and we could feel his gospel roots We used an RE twenty mic and the same close confessional approach we deployed for Stevie's vocals. Working with Ernie on guitars was a sonic adventure He regaled us with tales of how as a little boy. He played guitar with Jimi Hendriicks in the family's kitchen Jimmy was there because the senior Isle's had recruited Jimmy to play in their backup band in the early sixties We developed a very original sound for Ernie's lead guitar parts We recorded this amMp through a Dolby three hundred sixty one noise reduction unit, but didn't decode the signal We left it raw and then compressed it with a flickincher tube limiter You can hear the results of our labor on the guitar leads on Who's that lady and summer Breeze among others on the record The rest of the tracking was very straightforward with our traditional approach being tight and close, with the drums recorded from the drummer's point of view Marvin' Space was recorded direct to the board as were all of Chris's electronic Ss and keys There was improv. Eimenting with percussion and figuring out the background vocal arrangements in the studio O' Kelley and Rudolph along with the rest of the guys sang the background vocal parts They also oversaw all the business, financials, and logistics O Kelly's one eccentricity was that he had very long fingernails, at least two or three inches long on his left hand Rudy ran the show both on and off the road He made sure everybody got to the studio on time If any of the brothers rel laate They would hear it from him and it wouldn't be pleasant They were a very professional, well oiled machine
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