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Obviously there reasons of an unpleasant nature that prevent you from being put, you know, For the longest time, you know, you were just. I'll say this, I don't know if we could talk about you know, obviously punishment, crime, what fits. But like you were always a working actor for you to like lose working, you look like you always seem to the kind of guy who like loves to be on a set. Definitely. Like D Ni' like that, right? Yeah They just go from one to. That's why they do some shit. Re becausecause you just you'd rather work on some shit to not work, right? You'd rather work on some shit, although you know, when you start off, you know, no matter what the film or play or television thing is you always think, o, I'm going to try to do my best work and I want to believe in it and, you know, and every now and then you make a nine liivves. what can you do What was that? was it a bad movie you were in? Oh, yeah. Yeah I watch Yeah, I turn into a cat But where where in your career was this? It was at a point where I was willing to make a movie just for money.. But because you were because you were past You were very bankable. It was was I was a bankable star and I had no idea that a movie about You un usual suspects and Oh yeah, this is this is like, you know, after House of Cards Oh Oh is. This was Yeahah, this was this was a movie that I never knew that a movie about a cat could be such a dog You you know what I' say Is that how you went and promoted it Yeah, I know there was a time when I mean, poor Bruce Willis now in bad shape and I know him long time ago pretty well for a little while when he was first out here and he hung out at the comedy club Um There was a time when I would see when I would watch movies in hotels. That's where I see all my movies. for a while. That stopped. It used to be a real treat in a hotel room because they would have the first run movies But you buy it, of course. It wasn't. And so like So you weren't watching the porno, Is that what you're saying. There was moments when I did break down But it kind of sucked because if you can can't fast forward Right Yes, that's That's true. You can get past the story points.. Right. This is so long ago there were story pors. Oh, I That's not how porn is today. But I'm saying you can tell you. You watch forced gump on a hotel television. Is that what you're saying?. That would not have been my choice. What I was saying was about the working for horror movies Not a horror, horr. horr Yeah. Yeah. There was a time when like You could see Bruce Willis like along as you scrolled through the movies, they would be like att one time, three or four you'd never heard of with him. and he always had like a very small part. I'm sure they shot it in a week or less Jesus Thats right. And but that it was a tribute to how big his name is that you could slap him on there All these movies and they would go straight to the video, but somebody was making money. We were I was just in the car with Evan Loewenstein, who I know Evan and Jarry We were just talking about the fact that, you know, Sam Jackson, when I think about how many movies Sam Jackson has been in, And a number of them are films that, you know, he must have worked a couple of days and they paid him a A shitload of money. Yes. too say motherfucker or whatever they want him to say. And I'm like good for him, you know? Oh yeah. Look at all the movies he made. How much money all the movies he made It was incredible. Yeah, especially since we know he can do so much more. So it's fun it's funny when He's the best. I did a movie with him called The Negotiator that I absolutely love. and I always wish that I' a sequel to it because I think it's it's sequel material. and You played a negotiator or he did. I played the negotiator. Really He played ye Yeah, he played a I thought could be falsely accused. I would have pened you for the psycho. Really? No, I'm kd. you you had you have had a very broad range. I mean, you you were never sort of like What are you talking about? I was never into Bons. Hey, Wait a minute. Hey Just a secondust hello. Thank you. Thank you. I'll be your wee. Thank you. I know what, Kevin, I never understood why you kept that a secret. Like it kept there's a point where it was like so much cooler to be gay. Like I don't want to inject myself into this, but honestly, I mean, I don't get a lot of breaks from the media, especially, you know, they're a little too woke and blah, blah, blah If I, who they're pretty rough on, Yeah, if I at some point had come out as gay, they would be like It would be the greatest thing that ever happened. I mean, and I would be feed and that would just you're a little gay. You know No. No, notot even a little. You know, your pinned against a guy against the wall with that kind of a question. And it just it makes you sound gay when you to dy admit that you're not. And you fucking. Cheers Yeah. Thankk you for having me. Yeah, thanks for being. And I know you've been Thanks for talking about having me and it's been meant a lot to me. There's just been a period of years where the advice that Evan and I were getting was that because I was dealing with court stuff that I just couldn't come out and look and have the kind of conversations I would like to have had.ook, I'm not gonna to lie to you. I mean, I go by numbers when with scandals I say go by And it's an interesting question maybe to ask you. If it's like one person, I'm always like, well, I don't know if I wasn't in the room When it gets to like You know, youve's like come on man. there's just too much smoke to be no fire. Oh I never said there was no fire. Okay. It just wasn't a raging forest fire. Right. It was a small kitchen fire that could have been put out with an extinguisher. To me, the most important point in this case and we discuss all at once is that att a certain point, The law does have to have some merit with people. You had, like five I think five ones I heard about eachach time, yeah, that's just the truth. you know, just they lost. I think you're like five and know or something. We l one. We So Yeahah, we've been found not guilty That's in every court we gone to with a jury. Right. And one Elton John, didn't he talk about testified in a case in Great Brain. why was he Why was he Because one of my gay like gay celebrities hanging out together. Weird. No, it wasn't about a party or anything like that. It was about the fact that a person who had accused me of something had also made up something about him and he felt it was very important that the really hear that This person was not consistently telling the truth Do you think there's more making up in the gay community? Making up M Well making up stuff. You said Oh, you said he made up something about. Yeah, he made up something about about And you And the reason why I assume you've won five times is the jury thought that peopleeople were making stuff up. Well, because there wasn't nothing. No, and there are certain cases where Part of something is true. but it's been rethought, it's been redesigned, or it's been entirely made up certainly in the case of Anthony Rpp, which is a case that we won in federal court in New York. which one was that? Anthony Rapp sued me. He done He was the first person to accuse me of something from thirty one years before in twenty seventeen. my I know that name. I've heard of The cirumstance was he did an article in Buzfeed magazine in which he accused me of being attracted to him wanting to be sex with him when he was a teenager, when he was just a kid And it took us until we got to court many years later in twenty twenty two. to be able to prove that, in fact, the entire story was not true. The foundation of the story uh, he built around a bedroom apartment that he said I rented in which he'd gone into a bedroom at a party that I threw. He'd been invited to this party And that at some point, very drunk, I came into that bedroom, leaned against the door, was so drunk I probably wouldn't remember, and that this encounter happened But as it turned out and as we proved in a court of law, I lived in a studio apartment There was no bedroom, There was no door. There was all an entire foundation of what he tooldld this story around completely crumbled with the evidence, and also we had incredible testimony by John Barrman, who was a friend of his at the time and had been to my apartment with him, the only time he'd ever been in my apartment was when they came to meet my dog So the whole thing was made up. Okay. So listen, I'm not that kind of interviewer who like this is not the kind of a show where like I do my homework and like I don't even remember this guy's name I playing the this not sixty minutes. Clearly. But I'm also I feel like understand I' very disappointed. Yeah. I'm also fair. and also you know, I think my bond withemoni it's truthful Truthfully again. twenty likeike when twenty people feel like something like that's that's a lot of people, it's a lot of smoke. It's a lot of I don't know. there is always nuance and people, it's terrible. I think that people skip over it. And one of them is time the moreays change. they just do. People acted differently. I mean, it we get better generally as we more enlightened, Um, But you know, You must have known you were you know, Forward, shall we in the takes the old part of. look. Forward. I hit on a lot of guys. Yeah, but heading on and like, I mean, yeah, I did a bit about the one again, you got off. Totally. I mean, I think the jury was like took Tw hours to say, wasn' the kid in the piano bar Oh yeah, that actually never went to trial. Okay, that everyone's drrouown because he They tampered with evidence and then he took the fifth in a pretrial Um meeting with my lawyer. I'm just again remembering this from the I used to do a bit about it in my act. did in your defense. Oh Because the bit was as I recall, I that like he says like your cock was in its hand for like three minutes and then he like said something. And I remember like It spacey. It was part of a very crowded bar with lots of people looking. I mean, your cock couldn have been but if it's there for three minutes. My cock was never in his hand. Really? No, no. He claimed something else But yeah, that where never even got to court That one was thrown out Isn't I mean, this is a really inappropriate question that, you know, again Keith Martison, I don't think is going ask, but like Come on man There is a difference between the heterosexual world and the gay world I'm not saying that excuses bad behavior. I'm just saying Like there's no equivalent of a bathhouse in the herosexual world Cumba Springs. Yeah What No, but isn't that day. Look, I would say this, I certainly over the years that I have been an actor and I certainly I was very, very closeted. I was fiercely closeted. I didn't want anyone to know anything about me. Yeah. And of course, I thought I was so clever that no one knew, but of course, kind of everybody knew. I knew. Yeah.. I never gotten near you, all right? I know I did a great joke about you that the audience just completely didn't get at the nineteen ninety seven Oscars It was Hay Joel Osmond. Yeah and Remember the the Bruce Willis movie? Sure the Bru Wills movie Yeah. What was it? maybe you were up against him or you were there? I see deead people? Yes. Yeah, I see deead people movie. That' The Oscars went on so long this year by the end of the evening, Haley Joel Osman had a beard and Kevin Spacey didn't Good jo. So good. And they laughed at the first part and not they didn't they don't know what it about. Oh, that's so interesting They didn't know what to be. Maybe you should have said I see gay people. They're not sophisticates like us, Kevin. Yes, I see. You see? We're sophisticates. That's the part of mean that's gay. I'm very fucking sophisticated. Yeah. Yeah So where were we in my grilling Well You know, the question to me now is like I think you pay I think might Spidey instinct is Yeah, you should get you should have gotten some punishment. You I think you were a little too forward, shall we say, made a lot of obviously people got uncomfortable. The question now is paid a lot You know, it's like when Bernie says, rich people don't pay taxes. I'm like, o, the fy thing I pay like sixty percent. You asshole. Right. Okay It's like, how much is enough paying So like when did this start? So's say let's Let's say let's talk about your sentence that you've served. This started put it on this started twenty seventeen. Okay. october of twenty seventeen, this began. and I would say and you're still grerated. You're still in show business jail. I feel less in jail than I did. Okay but I do actually now feel that When people look at things and when they I know, as you said, you didn't really pay attention to the details, and I know most people don't But I think when people actually start to hear the facts understand what we've won in courts. I think people now look at this and think Maybe nine years has been enough. Well, that's. if I had been a sports figure, I would have been benched for seven games. You know what I mean? Why you say whyy are you comparing it to that? Well becausecause that's what happens. A sports person is accused of something and they're benched for seven days as seven games and they're back on the field. Sports figures have been I mean, who's the guy Jop? It's not funny. his wife in the elevator and he never played again I don't know about that particular case, but I'm saying Well if you're hitting home runs, they they they want you on the field Yes. I think you mean speak Yeah, you're right. So I believe we're at the point now where I think people are now beginning to look at what actually happened and I'm I feel much more welcomed and I think that things are moving in the direction that we hope they're moving in. Yeah, because I think a ten year sentence is a serious sentence And I know like I don't know. than God, but I surmise that like It's it's in every day sentence. I mean, you know, certain certain parts of it, you can't go out Right? I go out all the time. No always. always. Throughout this whole thing. Not throughout the whole thing. I would say in twenty eighteen. really want to be seen. exactly. And and I sort of kept to myself and I actually started wearing a mask before COVID, which was pretty funny. Wow But I was wearing mask because I didn't want to be seen U But then I got through that and I did an enormous amount of therapy. I went through a lot of programs that were very helpful. incredibly helpful for me And then in twenty nineteen, Evan suggested that we sort of take a trip and so we went around Europe for off and on about six months. and we backpacked literally. and that was when I was able to Without a hat, without glasses, without hiding in any way Just go undero the world And I can tell you that we were stopped seventy times a day by people who were so generous and so happy to see me and asking, when you going back to work This is This is all over Europe, all over everywhere. I mean, it's been that way. And I feel like Europe is a more forgiving to an older culture. No, you know, they's been the same way in the United States. They're cool with perver. It's been the same in the United. It's been the same in the United States everywhere I go. I know there's people online that say nasty things, but I've not met one of them in real life That is an interesting phenomena I've also experienced And it's funny, you know You want to say it back to the media and I won't about it you know, anything because you just don't want to pick that fight with them Sometimes when I see Trump just speak his a complete internal monologue without doing things that It's just like He will say something And the one I'm thinking of is like I've wanted to say that. he just when he was somebody pissed him off in an interview when he just went, You're a terrible person right. And it's like I can't deny. I you've wanted There is a moment where I would that's exactly what I was thinking. Sure. You're a terrible person. Yeah. It's not a sincere question. It's a gota thing. it's You know, virtue signaling things. S sure. You don't believe it yourself But I don't. Yeah not our president He does that. Are you are you You have plans for the fourth of July I don't I haven't made plans yet But u I think there's a lot to celebrate Yeah, I was just working on a piece for the show that says that exact same thing. It's amazing that Eespecially I don't want to keep picking on the kids, but the younger generations They just don't have good perspective either about how much better they have it. then people anytime before them And how much better they have it here than almost anywhere else in the world? Yeah, I'm also very optimistic and I believe whatever, I mean, look What I just said, I think is is echoes what I mean by this, which is that that The society that I have met, the society that I've been introduced to, the people that have come at me over the last nine years, have not been divisive and angry and pissed off and They have been so welcoming And lovely and loving That A I'm so happy that that's the that's the society that Where do Where do I fall on this game? You fall You fall very much in the you have been incredibly supportive because Evan has told me. Yeah. I know you've wanted me on this show for a long time. You've been very much on on side and that means a lot to me Yeah I'm keeping it real and not letting you off the hook. Yeah you know because that's the reality. But again We all go through life and judgmentalness of like everything is a hanging offence or You know, it's always a life sentence. It's like, no, things are proportionate. That's how the real law works You know, not everything the death penalty. It's true. And it's just true. And again, I hate to pick on the kids, but they just don't have any perspective about how lucky they are. The idea that when we we're around the same age, mean I'm seventy. I don't think you hit that yet. I haven't yet. Okay, but You're on the way. I'm sixty six. You look good. Thank you, sir. B the way for the stress that it must have been, you look good. Thank you, sir. You look like you could You know I'm in play Play the You know, At that age Again, we're close All you can do is the best you can do is be like Not hard to look at. That Is that the review? Is it not hard to look at Is that Terrible? No, not at all. For our age, I think that's pretty good. Sure You know We're not Glen Powell We never were. I mean, that's actually much more of an achievement for you in a way because it's like You know, I was in commentary on'm a comedian, but you were like playing leading man parts Well, and if I look at the actors that I grew up admiring, Spencer Tracy, Henry Fonda, Jimmy Stewart, Cagney I mean, these actors had decades and decades and decades of being at the top of the profession and many of them pull Nman aged incredibly well, played fantastic parts. when they were over sixty Oh yeah. The d incredible thing. Yeah, the verdict's one of the great Pulnaman movies ever. Yeah. Oh no. and and I think actors are better in their fifties, sixties when they get in that right there. There is something That is It takes obviously decades to get to this sort of level of You know, the whole thing, don't get caught acting You know, where it's just it's just the most naturalistic kind of performance. I'm also, I'm at a point cause of the last nine years where I had never done therapy before. I had never gone into myself. I had never spent the kind of time that I've spent doing the programs I've done. I'm closer to myself, I'm closer to my family. I'm closer to my friends than I've ever been and I'm very curious now. I mean, I've had a couple of wonderful opportunities in the last couple of years to do some really work that means a lot to me But I'm really at a point where I'm so excited about what my work is going to be like because now I have gone into myself. I am closer to myself than I've ever been. And I'm really excited about working with a collaborators collaborator, a director, particularly. Who's going to bring that out of me because I am ready now to share parts of myself that Prior I wasn't Yeah. I mean, I don't think anybody doubts if you got your meat into a Great part Did you send my meat? I'm sorry. What sorry I because I thought we were beyond that. sorry, I'm sorry. I had a little pot before I came over. I mean I'm trying to keep my meat out of things. all right? I'm trying to move on. You understand? With Mix success, let's be honest I mean, like, did we just lose a sponsor? You know, we just lose a sponsor. Are you kidding? as if we're taping this, but That would be embarrassing. But you did always strike me again, this is from way afar and just how people talk that I mean been snarky about it, but there're different kinds of, as with heterosexuals, gay people mostost heterosexuals get married Um, and then when gay marriage became a thing We saw illions of people who acted just like the heterosexuals bored, you know, and put together and fighting exactly. That's right. And then there was people like me heterosexual, unlike you. but I feel like I was a guy who never wanted to get married and didn't. A single was like, No, this is actually more fun and I'm gonna do it. And I feel like you're that guy in the gay world. It was it's just more fun. I was definitely that guy in the gay world. But I will also say this. you may not remember this, but do you remember like the first times that we met? Oh God Because, you're gonna let those becausecause he was at the Playboy mansion. Oh That makes sense. I live I don't know whether or not you I can't quite remember I remember seeing you in at the play by. I have a memory of you there. But I also used to go there on Sundays because Hisner used to love to show movies. Y with like a piano player And I went there a couple of times and I think you were there. I did. But I was invited, I think every Sunday, but I did not make a habit of it. I went on the fourth of July. Right Right. That's that's the I remember that. but I mean to go in the groto know if there are diseases Columbus grarato for are you you kidding? The groto No And now someone's now bought it and totally changed it, right? or is it still I don't know. I don't have been up for the old haunted m. It was you know They said, I don't know if this is true, Don'tume if it wasn't, but I think I read that like it there was mold It just and of course, you can't be elderly and breathing mold You know, it just shows you the You can be so brilliant and successful in one way. Right. 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Now I can tell you're itching to get in the game and you say and by the way, not to, you know, scare you, but like I would do it sooner than later because like You're still, like I said, you look generically late middle aged. You can play anything there. You can even have a love interest who's thirty You know, I mean, a thir been yook, but I mean, it's yookie, pussy, but you're a great actor. why you not saying I can't play a wnder thing your character They what And then I could play a wonderful gay character as well So you could now. Yeah., that's right. Now that the cat's out of the bag Hang on, You don't want to be at a certain point, you know, you're iconic. so if it all goes under the bridge U you could have another ten years of, you know, doing really good stuff and then you got to do bad grandpa. a point just bad grandpa That's fantastic. It sounds like a part Jack Lemmon would have played No, Deniro played it. Oh, bad grandpa. Oh. You didn't see it? Well, if I did bad Grandpa, I'd do it like lemon. No thank you Che Hey Right. You're a good impressionist, you do. Well, you know he was my mentor Lmon I do see similarities in your work. I do. I met Jack Llemon You will not know this, but when I was in junior high school, I went to Parkman, junior highigh schoolool in the valley here I went to the Marte perform for a theater audition workshop that he was running And I got up and did a little monologue and at the end, he walked over to me. I was thirteen years old And he said, that was a touch of terrific. Really. He said, No everything I just talked about, this young actor did What's your name? I said, Kevin. He said, But listen to me. He said, when you get finished with school here, you should go to New York and you should study to be an actor because this is what you're meant to do with your life Wow. And thirteen years later, wow. I went to New York, I went to Juli Aarden And I got the opportunity to audition to play his son in a production of Long Dayayss Journey Tonight and I won the part And Jack and I did that play for a year and he played my father in that and then we did three other projects together ending with Glen Gary Glenar Rs. Everyone on the show has these awesome stories about them show business passed, I got n another? Who was here last? didn't Dangerfields discover you in bathroom something. That's about it. It's something of a grodier scene and I mean, I loved him, but he used to come in. he was when I first started in nineteen seventy nine at Catch a Rising Star was the big club in New York I I was a Juiard at that point. D were you aware of catching you?olutely you wentt to stand up comedy becauseause I was working on my Johnny Carson impression. I never saw you there that in that era, seventy nine to eighty three. Oh sure Really? Oh yeah. Oh I know that you do a great car. sure I love I love Johnny. I know this is true. I don't make this up There was an earthquake in Los Angeles This morning, you may not have known it. I was sitting in a hotel room And all of a sudden the hotel starts to move So I thought Ed had fallen out of bed. But then I realized, how can you fall off a floor? No, that's not true. Ed's lady slecked like a log last night, which is true because when I got up, he was in my fireplace. Weird guy. Anay Oh kids. Do you know I did his show once before he retired? I got to do Carson with Carson You think the kids know who that is? What percentage of some do? I mean, I hope so. T No, many will not. Many will not God, I miss him Oh, I did too. I really missed it. But I also say I even wrote it once. When he died, I did something for H magazine. I think he died in two thousand one or something And I did say as much as I gave him as props that Lenna was the right person for his era. You have to be the right person in that job for the era Johny was great When conversations breathed a little more When people didn't have smartphones and attention spans like a NT you know, they had been educated and You know, he used to have Gorvadal on and and then it was just like The talk show became more like just more of a party than a conversation. And do you know I played Gorbetol No, but you be a great choice. I played Gorvidol in a movie that we shot in twenty seventeen in Italy.. It's a movie called Mr Dear Mr. Vidal And Netflix has shelved it See, this is what I mean about your business jail. Okay. That's It's by the way, I've seen it. It's completed. it's ready. R And it is a shame that they've shelved it because The director, the screenwriter Michael Skulberg, who plays the Gor' lover of forty something years, I think would win an Academy Award for his performance the other actors Cw, they're also being punished and they shouldn't be And I hope Netflix grows up about it because it's an incredible movie, and I have to say, I think it's one of the best films I've ever done So I would love for that movie to finally get seen. But they own it outright. They own it. Yeah. And they say they don't want to release it. So I say give it to us and we'll get it released G it to Paramount Well, we can't have people watching movies from bad people Oh, that's what I say. Oh, I see. I see. We can't have people watching now Did you see the Michael Jackson movie? I did not. I'm joking, is he Did you see it? No, but I'm just saying people are Oh, are like God it's gonna make a billion dollars. Right. Look, I don't think he should, you know, first of all As I always say, the music didn't rape anybody. you know. Well, and also I think the movie takes place at a time when it was before he was Tuesday I know, But if people were really being consistent about this shit I mean, fuck you know Even Oprah. came in on the side of I believe the kids You know, it it's so inconsistent. If you if you want to You know Forgive and just Enjoy the art Some people get that pass and some do not. Or some get, you know, again, I think in your c. I would say this, I don't think art should be fucked with over allegations alone. Of course not That's what I think. But that part is never going to happen Humans are humans. They love to believe a rumor. Yeah, but in the end, I also believe that You know, we're going to figure this out It's going to correct itself in a way that I think Yeah. We'll look back and go, what the fuck are we going through? I mean, that already has started to take place. Yeah. abbsolutely You know, it's not like, u, you know Sound like that's gonna fall easily Andrew Sullivan had a great line last week. He said, you know Woke isn't dead, it's just waiting likeike an assassin Well I mean, by the way, do you put this picture up here? Delliberately Wh It's an Oswal. It's a shot of Oswald being shot. Well, no, you're not looking at it.s It's using the original picture of the sherheriff and. He got a microphone. Yeah, onene is playing guitar. He looks It's making him look like they're in a band. Oh see fantastic. The Oswald brothers, yes love them. I mean, Kennedy assassination fans love it Oliver Stone was here and he came in his man., I bet. D you ever work with him don't know. Oh, what a shame. No. What a pairing you guys would be? Are you kidding? Am?re you canceled? or you No, but he's okay. He's okay. Well, you know, again, it's so inconsistent He loves Putin, which is like the epitome of bad man. You know, I mean, you can quibble about certain be. Have you invited Putin here? I have. Have you and Look, I didn't think Mike Pence would ever do my show. He did it a. Mike Pence. Mike Pence. came out to do The evil Bill M show. So on I don I don't put anything past anybody ats It's always shifting. Trump changed the rules Oh we expect from a president, what a president can do You know, But don't you think that's that's part of the reason that he won Absolutely. People are like, he can do anything he wants. I want to be with that guy and There is just a it's amazing At the same time, the most full of shit person and also the most authentic. I mean again, To say to somebody, you're a terrible person. Say what you want. It's pretty authentic. You've said it to me three times tonight. I I don't know what the fuck I did. You know, I mean, that's pretty That's pretty So, you know, I mean, he is who he is and What are you doing for july fourth by the way? You get sign I don't know. I'm going to Whington next week. I'm getting this Mark Twain. Oh, yes, that's right. So congratulations. But again, the anxiety of whether they're going to cancel it or whatever and But it's at the Kennedy Center. Yes. And then they no longer they too Yes, and I don't know if that's going to rile them up. You know, it it's like this this is this tiger sleeping. But how would you feel if he suddenly decided at the end of the day to come? That could happen too. That could happen. Seriously. Yeah, that could happen. Yeah. But he did that make you feel. Awesome ending would that and by the way, would that change your acceptance speech? W that would you would you u No It's not all about him L Well, that's your first mistake Yeah Yeah. That was a perfect smash cut. It's not all about it. one time, you know, classic h. Yeah, the classic alligator, whatever that place in Florida. Yeah. The guy comes over to you and you spit because that's all you have becausecause you're tied up is that's gonna to make things better. That's right. When you're kid, it's not about he What about a comedy? That's what you should do Are you kidding? Don't you I did horrible bosses. I did horrible bosses too. I had such a great time. Oh American Beauty. American Beauty is very funny. A lot of it's very funny. Oh, it's all funny. Proud of it. Well, maybe the ending isn't funny. I don't remember the ending. Well, of course. because you were asleep born in the hotel. No I love that movie. It's a great movie. I've seen it more than once, but it was Yeah, that's when I could o, that's a good idea because It's been long enough. I mean, I certainly remember the performance which I remember at the time and I imagine I would still very much like and deserve to be compared to Dustin Hoffman in Um with the graduate like There's no jokes in either movie. No jokes. That's right. And yet it's very fun. Ver fun. And to pull that off, you know Well, hey, we had a great script. Be Sam Mendes was a great director. I knew him from theater And it was his first film. And it's very funny because just going back to Jack Lemmon for a second. Sam said to me, he brought the best of theater to that experience. We rehearsed it like for two weeks before we started shooting And Butout the third day rehearsal in Sam said to me, when was the last time you watched the apartment I was like, well, I've seen the apartment many times, but I don't remember the last time I watched it. I just watched it. He said, watchatch it tonight and then let's you and I talk tomorrow morning So that night I watched the apartment again. Jack Glam. onene of the great movies ever. Charley Mcainan.rlleie Mcain Murr, And then I met with Sam the next morning and he said The great thing about Lemon's performance in that film is that No matter what comes at him No matter what happens and a lot does We never see him change. only see him Evolve. And that's what I need you to do is Lester We don't want to ever see Lester change. We just want to see him evolve It's a good thing is a great piece of direction That I got out of acting, I could never pull that off. I mean, it just wasn't my thing. I did it in the eighties when I was a young comic, but it was you've made movies though. Yeah. know so I'm glad I had one credit last That's It's a joke on the movies I did make. Cannibal Women in the Avocado Jungle of Death, I actually made that one And Pizza Man and DC Cab. Oh, I had a lot of great What about Kevin was what's his name for?. Have you seen my murder, she wrotes? I have not seen your murder. May I send them. Please. I mean, look. And by the way, didn't do her off camera, did she She wasn't even there. one I'm not fucking min it. Oh I got her Aarently she never did a rock camera. She in a did. She did like thirteen of the twenty two. but if you because I know you're an actor, whatever you may think about Mr. Spacey in his life, is an acting maestro were't Um, the, uh, head of the old Dick I was the head of the Oiss for twelve years. I mean, how do you turn that vague idea of change and evolution into like what you're actually doing or something. But it's the greatest thing when something Look, there's a lot of things you can do when you're preparing for a part, whether it's a play or a movie You can read a lot of stuff, you can, you know takingen a lot of stuff, but it's the things that make it active for you that you can actually play that for me are very exciting. So when a director can say something to me that I I can understand that as an idea and it gives me the energy and the focus to move in that direction. I don't know whether it's going to work or not opens me up to trying something in a way that I've never done it before I've been so fortunate with the direct I worked with. That's why I never progressed as an actor. That's gutsy. I didn't I was just not willing to like be gutsy like that. I was a comic. It it was a whole different thing U But don't you think I mean, look I always think the writing of comedy, the figuring out of bits, all that stuff is is it's always a risk because you don't never know whether it's going to land or not land. Sweetheart. Nothing is worse than the first two years in comedy. Whatever you went to That's the brutal, you know, Tw drunks at two in the morning,, nobody laughing, nobody encouraging you, poor, you know, just everything bad. R. And wondering the worst part, wondering if you were, o Jesus Christ, am I going to be one of the people who's on, you know, it's like in the army, am I going be the one who gets shot on this charge, you know, Right. And, you know, I was there was there a You know, because I've had moments in my experience where gave a performance, something happened on stage, something something that gave me confidence that I was actually an actor and I was gonna to do it. Was there Were there moments where something happened in front of an audience that? Yeah I got laughs. What are fucking talking about? Of course, that's what That's what happened. They started laughing. I was looking for something more profound And just they started more of show business than in it. or right. No yeah, they I mean, I think I was tralling somebody this recently. I can remember the date The june twentieth, nineteen eighty, when I did a full like fifteen minutes and like they laughed from beginning to end. it was just You did a set and they laughed. It was a Saturday, it was cake so the audience was And where was it? It catch a Rising star. W. And I mean, I remember that more than like you know, my whatever other great acme of achievement I made was like no that because it was sort of like a stamping of your past, likeike, o, okay, I can like get on this ship at least I'll be at the lowest rung, but it'll be O the thing Well, this is why I disagree with Wanda Sykes. We need more of you not less. Oh Who were you there at the golden? No about it I know about that. Oh, That's so funny. It's so funny that people ask me about that like I thought it was like nothing. And then I talked her after and it was nothing. And then but just' when people w to like you know, make something They just do. Yeah. they they just, you know,. It' it's fun U But no, I if there's a beef, I don't know about it. Right And then Somebody asked me the other day about what she said on a podcast what do you think? I said, I hadn't heard. I I don't on really social media. Well, there's something. Are you on social media, Kevin. Tiny bit. That's what he' say. Eevan does most of it because he's afraid I'm gonna to like something I shouldn't like. But I mean, when the phone is in your hand, No, I'm not I'm not no. Never. Not really. No. I feel like you're you're a little But this is what I find crazy If someone has a problem with you, Why don't they pick up a phone and call you and tell you Why do they wait until they're sitting in front of a journalist and then they may turn it into a story? I think that do have a problem with somebody then you should Tell them You should confront them about it and not just who areing to you're just talking about in general. I gener see a lot of these things where people attack someone in an interview and say something negative about them in an interview that they didn't clearly say to them directly And it's kind of how I felt about what she did. I feel like all the rules just sort have been let to sllide, you know, a lot of articles in respectable papers It's so obvious like this is what we want to say. and then we call up somebody who we know agrees with us say we expert. and you're like, ye, look at the experts are. That's why he's an expert. Yeah, exactly.. And it's okay, but I always feel like I'm being funneled toward an opinion instead of just giving The facts. That's right, ma'am Rember Jack Webb Well, I've watched a number of these interviews that you've done and you're always you always take the side of I want all I want the whole story, not just a piece of the story becausecause I'm Scott Pelly. And this is sixty minutes. This is God sixty minutes. What dod you think of that What did you think of that? That's an interesting question. Scott Pelly Oh You know the whole story I sort of followed up. Okay. so Um Paramount, which owns CBS got bought by David Ellison,'s right son of. Billionaire Laryryalysis right and merged it with a smaller company of his, okay, you know, he's forty or something and They are close to Trump, notot close close. like they're not MAaga' not going to fights on the lawn. I don't think. But what they have done is they have stood up for Israel. Yeah. They have absolutely hired people who no one else would hire Right. Johnny Deppb, Bret Ratner The list goes on. They're unafraid. And I have great respect for what they're doing. Oh, great Yeah, I do too. I don't know how it'll come out, but in general I understand people's Quam is because the Trump administration's Crazy corrupt things with crypto and like You know, tariffs that go. There's always a side deal for the. Do you have no money in SpaceX For for the family? It's just, you know, how he does business. You know, I wet my beak. to The other side would say sixty minutes was two left to begin with and this is moving to the center. I know the person in charge is Barry Weiss. I like Barry a lot. I mean, we have a history I love the free press I She's a Jewish lesbian. I don't think she's some sort of radical Trumper, you you know, nobody gives gives somebody a chance. I mean, Scott Pelly to be like this guy, the new guy and, you know, companies change hands all the time. He comes in, this guy Nick And Scott Pelly attacks it in the how high, how are you meeting The Bagels are in the back. And he's like, you will never be res here. And he's like, man. How could you not think you were going to get fired? look, I can only tell you this that The right, if you're going to label, u people right or left, the right And very significant figures on the right like Douglas Murray Love him. Incredible man who Evan also represents Um, all the troublemakers. U People like Douglas and others on the right have been so publicly supportive of me and believe that I was not given due process and have been out there for me and supported me. Because you're bad and they're bad. Fine. That's what you want to think. But on the left Not a single journalist has stood up and said anything in my favor for nine years. Oh I I' gotten on my own where about Whatdy Allen? And I don't want to Sabbs, but you know, we just disagree. He was when he was here. And yeah I watched that. It was very easy to see wonderful. Pretty good. Yeah. No, I'm not lofty. There's no loftiness.. Okay, now do Woody in bed with Johnny Carson Ande include a reach around Well, what are you gonna do with that golf club? Wait a second. Hey it's like we're doing improv comedy. And why not? Were you ever an improv comic? I wasn't. I was't really an improv com. I mean I did it in class and things like that, but I wasn't I I was just I was generally doing Katherine Hepburn, Jimmy Stewart odd situations, likeike Jimmy Stewart in a laundryomat running out of corin. Wait, let me get Ed Sullivan to introduce this. Heo. Catherine Er. Yeah there Vy fine, w of l are precious He' W watch all the clubs. Kevin A lady doing is Katherine Heppurn I have no idea what you're talking about. Oh, yeah, that. Can you imagine if she came here? she'd rearrange the furniture. Let us be the color. Kids, I'm gonna make a list of all the people we've been talking about. you don't know. And then you got to you got to just give us this if we're still talking about them, they must have been pretty good. I mean It is amazing how ephemeral show business I want to just not briefly touch on an area that I think you have some very strong opinions about, which is AI Y. Beause I'd love to sort of hear what what your stance is on. Well, I mean, you know Obviously, there's great possibilities there. as someone who is seventy, I'm counting on them. I mean, you know Figure this shit out. like Where are you? AI, come on, Ccer. Let's go. Let's go. I thought you were the smartest dude ever I mean Should I really be giving up all I'm giving up if you can't figure out cancer R When I say figuret, I mean like going to the doctor and him saying, o, You have cancer of the blah blah blah. I'm boom. We know what caused it and we know exactly what to give you. Right. That's what I mean by figuring out. If you can't do that, then, you know, and all the other shit doesn't. Well, the fact that, you know, the Father of the whole AI industry, Jeffrey Hinton said he thought there was a ten to twenty percent chance that it was an extinction event to move for un so did musk Musk For all the things he's done that are a little nutty He got this right. He said it before it wasn't even on my radar way back, like twenty fourteen, he was like I'm very worried about AI and where this is going and how this. And I see exactly what they're talking about now. I see it when I pull out of my driveway because Every fucking car does what it wants. Now My driveway, like yours and I'm sure, everybody else's connects to the street. So when I'm at the end of it, I'm at kind of a T. And sometimes because it's a street, cars are going by. I can see them I don't need my fucking car. Yes, I know. I see the car right in front of me. Before I had you, I never once pl right into a car on the street as I was coming out of my driveway. I actually actively worked to avoid that But now this fucking thing thinks that I need to be yelled at. If I wanted to be nagged, I'd get married. I say do it all the time And I can't turn that off Because it's for safety. Right Safety. Right. And You know I see white people, they're not going to get me But I see why people go toward the I want my freedom, you know I like that guy But An gu not Me TV is America's number one classic TV entertainment network, airing over sixty of the greatest TV series every week. Now, M TV presents the Golden Girls of Smmer, showcasing the best of the Golden Girls. 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We all want our freedom And do you think there are I mean, it's very interesting how the film industry talks about AI and there's all these debates and all these Qestions about what will it do? and will it take parts away from actors and will everything get It's already doing that You know who I'm fucking telling our would Do you know that you know who that is? No idea. She's the AI Oh actress that This' quite popular, I mean. And how is that fuck? Well, I found out she's fucking like six million other guys. Well You're kind of used to that, I mean. Oh, Wait a second. That was a good, not accurate, but a perfect line C see because it's interesting. peopleople ask questions about, you know, you go to a film festival and people ask questions about how I feel about AI And I say, well All I know is that the memories that I have of working with incredible directors and phenomenal actors and screenwriters momoments I've had in rehearsal rooms where something happened that wasn't expected. Someone went in a different direction and we discovered something can't do that. A I can't do any of that. And that's about trust and that's about Working and collaborating with other human beings And I just don't have any fear about that being replaced That No if you have to ask AI every question you need an answer for, that's not the way that created. That's happen That's not I agree. That's not my fear or beef with AI, my own personal job I think I'll be the last man standing against AI My fear isiney seven he'll be And now we have pence again right stake No, I don't think it'll take that long, but I do think that They will get a hold of decision making I mean, already, right now, in the present, there is a big debate over What anthropic can do with their latest claud And u There are already people saying the head of the company is to his credit We are not going to sell you this until We are assured there is a human. in the chain of command Mhm. And I can see like everything else in Washington that Maybe they put it in now, maybe they get rid of it later. I mean, they never said there was going be an income tax You know And then it was like when they started, it was like, well, it'll never be more than two percent.. But don't you find it interesting that, for example, someone like Martin Sccriorsese has just joined the board of an AI company And he is the person who has fought about film and fought about the industry now now people have come out against him because he said we should embrace whatever the advances in filmmaking can be. Okay First off Could we just not always have to come out against? Well, I mean canan't we just Yeah.es that that you have one hundred percent But I agree Absolutely. Yes. I didn't have to do that. As soon as I saw it, I knew people would come out against because you just can't disagree because know, because you know what the journalists say they Twitter on fire. Innet crazy. beind. I know ye exactly. quoting his mom. That's right, I know. It's just ridiculous. But you know I saw that and see, that would just make me not want to come out against Martins. It would make me want to talk to him. Yeah. Has H he not earned through his work as an auteur, the right to be heard out on an issue which is influx all the time if he's getting paid for it. I have no problem with that. You know, when you know, if he's saying I'm worried about AI in this existential way, but for the movies, yes, it can be very good That's a reasonable position because Those both things can be true. That's right. That's right ye. It's so frustrating. It's this weird thing. sort of the sort of woke world of it all is it reminds me of, I think Sean Penn said it better than Anyone could have said it certainly better than I could have said He says,s got to the point now where if you aren't actually a Danish prince, you can't play Hamlet. No That's really accurate. I mean, and that certainly applies to the gay thing because it', you know, this whole idea that you have to be gay to play gay Um Where do you agree with that? No. Well, not only do I agree with it, but I feel for these younger actors and actresses that I see talk about playing a a character in a TV series that's quite popular where they're playing a gay character and they feel so much pressure about declaring what they are and who they are People are sort of at twenty one years old they or no. R are feeling all this pressure. Well you publicly, you know come out or not come out And and I think that, you know Coming out is not easy. It was not easy for me, although I was For many years, people within the gay community made jokes about me as if being famous And coming out was like an easy thing. It was actually not an easy thing. and I resisted it for a long, long time. For me, I'm sorry that I didn't have that courage earlier in My life forced upon you by the scandal? No, not at all. I was actually ready to come out for two years before the scandal happened. But I'm just saying much earlier in my career, becausecause there were so many stories about me, there was lots of talk about that I was gay and I just wasn't out And rather than The gay community understanding that and saying to me, We'll be there when you need us. We want you in our community. I always felt that I was being attacked And that always just was very painful for me. this town is' everything its reputation says when they talk about sharks and I mean, this isn't great stuff, but it is also full of a bunch of phonies and backstabbers and It's just and the reason I think is because everybody wants to be in show business. and at the pinnacle of a star and everything that they think makes life so great and sometimes it does. You know, there's no denying there's some excitement there. but Sometimes it doesn't, but they want it. And so the things that people are willing to do I mean, there's lots of movies about this. You remember the Oscar fromrom nineteen sixty with Oh I forget I think it was Stehven Boyd Iember you know this. No The Oscar he wants the Oscar so bad and he's just like fucking over everybody. Oh And the ending is he's up against his name is Frank. Yeah getacter Fucks up everybody. And then thinks he's going to get the Oscar and he's and And the guys up there reading the thing and he says, and the winner is Frank Sinatra Sinatra J a cameo. Oh my Godd. And that's the beginning. Oh my Godd. No, I don't know this. Oh, That's right. You should watch that one. It's really It's a great like soap opera kind of, but big budget like I don't know that mo That Valley of the Doll. Who plays the Frank character Stephen Boyd.'s Stephven Boyd. his character is Frank, and that's just the blow at the end of the movie That's. The winner is Fank and he's you see him like off. Almost getting up here I just rewatched the Nutty prorofessor with Jerry Lewis.ord What? No, just Lewis. amazing Oh yeah I saw him I think it ballies place in Vegas with Sammy Davis Jr. Wow, they did an evening together. Wow. They came out together did aah,ah,ah. One of them left Bah One of them left and they came back together at the end. It was absolutely insane. Oh my God, I would have loved have seen that. Kunk I saw Sammy once in Reno. I was playing Reno. It was probably nineteen eighty four. Wow Yeah. And Reno is a very small town. I mean, it was like Yeah, I would hear it on TV, you know uttered in the same breath when they were doing plugs as Vegas and He'll be at the star lounge in Las Vegas and and also Reno and Tahoe, Tahoe is another. And so like I thought and then you get there and it's like it was almost like a comedy club. I mean, it was just not a and I saw Sammy in but they all played it. Cosby, everybody because I guess they were in Vegas. It's like, go up to Reno, it's a drive I think the last performer to do a concert at the Stardust in Vegas in the Wayne Newton showroom In Yeah because I was doing a tour. I played Bobby Darren in a film. Oh I did all the tracks. Yeah saying all the stuff Yeah. And so I went on tour with this band and we played the Stardust and it was incredible That's sort of that kind of veaggas room that really doesn't exist anymore Yeah, I love that movie. What it was What is the title Beond theat Beyond the seat becausecauseuse that was his big hit. Yeah. Yeah, exactly Now sometimes A person really is sort of like born to play somebody. I mean, you kind of look like them and Um It was amazing. First of all, I had Phil Ramon as my record producer. Oh wow. He did all the tracks And he was an incredible man. I had Roger Kellaway who was one of Aby Darin's accompanists, took him out on the road He was my piano player. I I put Peterson Cotti in the film playing my conductor A It was one of great experiences we did all the tracks at Abbey Road. You have this whole other life as a musician, right? No, I'm doing concerts now. See, that must lead to temptation, groupies, musicians The road No Like I say, probably I know Are at the point now where I'm beyond the sea. Putting myself in that kind of situation. You're beyond the se. I' beyond the sea, yeah. You were beyond the sea when you were bored. Wait a second. Hang on a second Well, you know, your body tells you to slow down. Yeah you know, But but I feel so energized and excited. I mean, I've been very fortunate last year. Evan produced a film that we did called Roadworthy that we did with F. Murray Abraham and Billy Zan and it was a great experience and I Billy Zain. illed Marlin Brando. That's right because he He haded. Oh, it's pretty good. Well, he looked you It's amazing, really. That's good. How much heat Oh You got their face. Well, here's the point I'm trying to make, Bill I can't help this, but I've been calling it club abandon. I don't know why. It's just It's just what I feel I can right You really you got the face,? I love that. That's tough. You know how we did that better than anybody, Jim Carerey. Oh. He used to do an act at the comedy store Like I think it was just the faces. He would turn into same. just turn his face? ye. I can't He used did, I think maybe his first appearance on Carson, he did Clinn Eastwood But he literally showed you as he made those He made himself become Clin Eastweward in front of your eyes absolutely incredible Yeah I think he's a remarkable person. He's also grown and changed and done some amazinging some amazing adult movies. I mean watching him give he's done a couple of college speeches. at commencements that had just been beautiful, Re beautiful about where he is Yeah, I mean, He's a complicated dude. I know that. I don't know him well, but, you know, alwaysways liked him. you know, we were never like close, close. I don't think he gets close. I mean, he's, you know, he he's a little bit of a madic depress betterter now than he's Yeah, out with them feels that you know, with other people and Yeah, he's not crazy person, but he just he just no, he can go into dark Moods, You know who can't? Me who I mean, I would like to think I'm not in who knows In life, I've had them. they don't happen a lot anymore. Right. I mean, at this, that's ' you're high as a kite That was because I'm careful as a catfish. I don't know why I don't a catfish. What is what are you I'm a care you doing? I'm a careful person,, I't do I don't do stuff that's gonna get me in trouble, even though my reputation is always being in trouble. You're bef with one the ses I don't mean. B No, I just I'm a very careful person. I you know, like And is that because you're worried about how something might be interpreted or I' worried about pain. Don't want to keep stave it off. Stave it off. ye. You know, I think I was A nervous child, you know? Oh, really. Yeah, I was the kid who like when they came to get me for kindergarten. I What do you make it sound like it's Blanche Dubois and Streetcar when they came to get me? Yeah Not kindergarten. Sorry. I went. I went to kindergarten. Yeah Nursery school. Nur It was something that came to get you And they came to get me. because one of my first memories of me being on the stairs in our little house And they came to the door, like, you know, the half bus or whatever always depend on the kindness of strangers. littleittle purple with flowers on it up. like it was all the other kids, I'm sure were happ to getting into this van with str strange tr notothing weird about that. And I threw a tantrum on the stairs about leaving You did not want to get in that van. I was like here at home with mom. I'm into it. You know what? and to the point where They I guess they must had some meeting in when like this kid It's gonna fuck up nursery school He really doesn't want to go, let's just skip it. and they did. And they did. And that's why I'm so ignorant If I only could have he could have got thatistary school yeah. Yeah. Wow. That's incredible. Yeah. I don't know what brought that up You know, I grew up in the vally. I'm a valley kid. Oh, really That's right, Thousand Oaks and then the Valle Yeah, I've Whenever I read about it, like I think U, Red Easton Ellis There's a kid who grew up in the valley of of Red. Robert Redford went to Vannayigh H School. Oh, yeah.. That's a little before even our time. Yeah Couldn't we just lose him We did just lose him Wow, what a Lion he was. He's incredible. I've been going through my archives I sort of I've kept everything. so I'm having this experience where I'm doing what would normally happen when you die, which is your relatives go through your stuff, but I've actually been going through myself, which has been really moving and incredible and because I kept everything And I found about three months ago A letter that I got It probably was probably nineteen ninety one or two I had gone into audition for Quiz Show This was a film that Raf Fines did. Robert R Robert Rord directed about bout a quiz show that was famous scandal. Famous scandal. Huge scand. huge scandal in the year nineteen fifty nine. That's right And I'd gone in audition for a part in the movie and I didn't get it. But three weeks later, I get this letter fromrom Robert Redford Thankking me for coming into audition Telling me how great I was. but that he was going to go in a different direction and he just wanted to wish me well with my career. I was like fucking director writes an actor he doesn't care. And who's the guy in your other story about when you were Who you just told me was like When you were thirteen women Okay So now we have Jack Lemmon doing it. R R Robert Redv. No. You had none of these cies Nody ever told. L said. Why did you make up a story? Make up a story that Carson came one night and saw you. didid you do Carson? But he didn't All right, well somebody who you could I did Carson thirty one times. thirty one. Yeah I did Carsston a lot from nineteen eighty two to like he left in ' ninety two. And then I did it a zillion times with Jay. Jay, ye. I mean, Jay's my boy. Yeah. onene of the few people I look up. He was always was a guy. I found actually one of the things one of the things I found from Jay was A, two telegrams I found recently She sent me a telegram saying how happy he was that the Beyond the Sea got great reviews he was looking forward to seeing. It was just a telegram. you sent me? A telegram. A telegram. What year is this? nineteen twenty leam Telegrams I have lots of telegrams from when I did theater We would send telegrams to the wait. What what year are we talking about? probablyrobably was well, this would have been two thousand. And three peopleeople were sell sending telegrams. They still send telegrams. Oping nights, you send telegrams. Okay, I'm ignorant.'t I'm going to send you a telegram. That's gonna say. C you even fuck yourself. Does it mean like a kid com wearing the cap like a bellboy? Telegram for mrter H mrter M. Yes, exactly. You're gonna to get that. Te, mrter Man legram for Johny asshole is there a Jonyhole? Here' the other telegram I found from Jay Leno. He wrote me this incredibly beautiful telegram when my mother passed away. ' he knew how much my mother meant to me And I thought that was really sweet. You my Leno? Leno. Yeah, I know. Yeah. I can't you can't be in a good war with Jay Leno. He's just always going to win. Oh he' over. He just like he does He's around and they brought the drinks trailer, you know, the trolley into your room and you're gonna do the show. Yeah come. What do you we talk about tonight? What do you wantan to talk about? You w want to talk about your movie?y And it was like it was like so different from Carson because you didn't see Carson. never saw Letterman before he went on. Nobody ever sees me I don't know how anybody can do that. You want to save that energy sure For when you walk out. That's right. It Leon love to come and see him before I know. Yeah. But everybody has their own. Well you't talk about you won't talk about It the true. S well, you play with toin train. Is it true that you met Jack C Lenin, you were like four What? Yeah But, you know, as I was saying an hour ago or something When I had to do that appreciation of Carson and time I really was, um, glad I read it back recently for some reason that I did the moment to give Leno his props that You just, you know, Johnny would not survive right now. you unless he had changed a lot And that's not who he was He was gracious He was not loud. It wasn't like screaming to get more attention and the guy. He wasn't He wasn't partisan. And he wasn't political He was political, just not partis. That's not partisan. That's right? You know, And neither was Jay They knew how to do that where they didn't like write off half the countrying You may disagree or agree with this, but here's something I felt watching and learning as I did. I was used to go to the Tonight Show when I was sixteen, seventeen years old. I still have ticket my ticket stubs from when I went to the Chin. Really Wow. and I think over a period of time, I began to realize the difference between Johnny Carson and any other host. Maybe Letterman. But Johnny knew he was the host And that was the role he played I always felt Leno played the audience Wow, I can't believe I'm here with you. W, it's incredible. What am I doing? It's amazing. the sitting next to is such a great He always played the audience, like I'm one of you. But Johnn played the host Jay's just stand up comedy machine. He just is. So like you can't blame him for really wanting to just do an hour of stand upp because no, no no no, you know I' saying there's a difference between recognizing why I think John survived as long as he survived Yes, but also Jay. they twice fired him for the crime of being number one And there was he kept it on I was I had the second person to be beinging number one, yeah. sureure. Okaykay, go ahead. I mean twenty two years is an incredible run. and you know She he found a way to be himself in an interview part of it when, you know, what Jay really loves is to sit around with other comics and write jokes and do jokes. and it's just and that's why he's such an amazing guy, you know, during the strike Uh the like twenty years ago strike Like we were allowed to write our own stuff or something, we just didn't have the right I didn't notice any difference in the monologue. He wrote the whole thing himself He's that kind of a savant. you did you ever find that I always found this is sort of just a funny phenomenon with comedians that you could sit around with a group of comedians in a bar Somebody would be telling their jokes T tell them doing their bits. you know, I got a bit. Iah And they do the bit. That's not what we. And you And you did a bit and people get like this. Yeah, that's funny. That'll work They wouldn't laugh. There is some There a little bit Yeah Yeah, that's that's. I mean, that's f. That's not funny. Okay, buts it's a cliche like all supermodels are anorexic. you know, it's there's there's some of that Yeah and not the people I chose to hang out with because they're all generous. But who so so when you were starting out and all that, who were like was there a group of comedians you were Yeah, you wouldn't know most of them, but you would know Jerry Seinfeld. He was one of them. Right. Larry David was a little before me and on a different club by Robert Kleine. No, that was a different generation.iff generation. That was the one Jerry and I and all of us We just lost Tom Dreeson Looked up to. but I ins We did not see Tom in God bless him and Robert Kllein in the same Rrect Robert Klein was, I would say more than anyone The one comedians in my like graduating class looked up to him and Carlin were the two who were like hip. You know their post Alan King era, even though Alan King was kind of hip But it was still a little Borsche belelty, R, right? You know, Yeah, sure. But did you ever have those nights where like you went and saw somebody get up on stage and you were like Holy Who is that Yeah. I mean, I've seen guys have good sets. Yes. and I mean, u I'm sure if you ran the names by me, I could think of that. but I mean, Richard Belzer. Oh wow, who never became like famous that much as a stand up comic. That's famous on Lw and Order. Yes, it's true.. Oly because he was like the world's worst worker. He was so amazingly talented and funny, but he wouldn't never write anything down while. You know, he just got stoned to went on stage. And when he was like on fire at Catcher Rising Star, that was the best I've ever seen. Uny Moore Jay Moo. Yeah, I know Jay. I don't think we were same. He was not in New York when I was a. Jay took me one night. were we were at I think we were at the comedy store watching some comedies and then he said Um Should I call Hacket I said, what? should I call Hcket I said, Buddy Hacket. He said, Yeah, I know Buddy Hacket. Really? I said, It's fucking one in the morning., he' eer up or he's not So he calls Buddy Ackett Buddy Hckin invites us to come to his house in Beverly Hills Oh really. And I will never forget this even. I won in the morning. won in the morning. Wow. Butd he had answer the door in his wite. W was who were you with? I was with J. Moore. Oh, Jay Moore, yeah. He answers the door. He answers the door in his white. I don't know why I keep forgetting things. Bathrobe because I can't imagine why you're. He answers the door in his white bathrobe. And we come into his house and Bunny Hag's literally like, Hey, you want some cheese? You got to cut it yourself because my wife hates it when I cut the cheese. And literally come in and come out and in come out of jokes And it was incredible. That generation Like I saw Buddy Hacket this is again right around that time when I was opening for Ax in Vegas and Reno and I was at Atlantic City And I was opening for, I think a singer named Denise Williams, who had a big hit called Let's Hear it for the Boy and no other music anyone knew. She really had to save it for the end. Anyway, And then, you know, like comics in town where, you know, you could like talk your way into getting to see the other comic you know professional courtesy and me and two other guys did. I mean we the b toer. Yes. and he just told a bunch of old jokes Wow, that was his act And then we were allowed to go back say to where the great man was holding court in his dressing room. He was such a dick in every possible way. I'm sorry. He was funny. I used to like him on the Tonight showhow. When he was on the Tonight show, Johnny would go,h my one bunny's on. no notes. No notes. We just we just go, you know, just That was his ultimate compplishure. There's no No pre interview. Yeah sure. No, no notes. just. Yeah, he would do what he does. He was he was every bad thing you could do, like hold in court and if someone like dared to like cough or something, I'm talking. Ecuse me, but do you want, you know, just totally like hit on a Badly Wow, middle aged woman which was sad And then toddled off like scarfing all the liquor. He must every night from the he could like take the actual liquor and it was a box full of food and liquor that was in the dressing room and he went out to his limo, which was ten feet away. Oh my God I loved him. What a legend. a legend. Come on. I'm sorry, that's my memory. Maybe he was great all the other days of his life. That's very possible. I absolutely think that's possible. I caught him on a bad night. but that's what I saw. But did you ever sit down with, you know somebody was Cry who Al who you really felt. Al connection with. Alen King Same er Yeah. I was in also Atlantic City, very bus. I saw him Yes in the audio I was Very impressed as a twenty eight year old comic He was such a master and it was not un hP Right? You know I mean, it wasn't like outrageous. It wasn't Carlin, but it was things like you could look up the Ykers. I remember the joke. He said, peopleeople tell me I'm middle aged. I'm fifty eight Yeah, if I lived to one hundred and sixteen It's got work It's got basic. But it's so through. Yeah that you just and get a great delivery. and then he He stayed up just drank us under the table at his age Me and Dennis Wolfberurg, I think was the other comic God rest his Soul And we were just Drinking, drinking, drinking at the bar You know, for hours is my recollection I have to share with you something I've never said publicly. But I think you'll appreciate it I'm straight So I did the Carson showow nineteen ninety because I'd done a television movie about Jim and Tammy Baker Burned it at Peters and I played Jim Baker So Carson, who has said day, not tell any strange enough Carson had such a field day with the Bakers wanted to have the actor who played Jim Baker on the show. So I got booked on the tonight show But by the time I got on the show There have an elderly woman who ran a Mm, you know Midwest newspaper called the Long Town News or something Robert Klleine And then me. Oh. And by the time I got on the show, I had a minute and a half with a clip. and they were going to let me and Carson was going to let me do my impression of him. No, which he didn't normally like But he hadd seen these tapes of me doing him. he was gonna let me do the bit But we didn't get to it And literally The reason it was worth doing was because of what happened in the commercial break So he said, we'll be right back. And when we came back, it was good night, right. So I' done the clip talked about the movie, that was it. He said, Well we're back. And then when they came back commercial the show was over.. And he leaned over to me Quietly, he' said admission. I'm really sorry we didn't get to the bit. I was looking forward to it You couldn't get the old woman to shut the fuck up And Robert Klein decides to be funny for the first time in six years. Ohew That is so And I was awesome. Oh my God, that was the greatest line ever. All right. Then I'm going to tell you my carson story, even though I've told it here before, I'll make it quick. H time last time I did it, ninety two right before Jay was about to take over, and he's in his parking lot and I'm walking out and his car won't start The Mercedes. No, this was a cororvette, I think we had.. This was nineteen ninety two And, you know, Jay, the famous car guy And I said to him oy, I bet you Jay Leno would know what to do. He knows everything about cars. and Johnny looked up ice cold and went Yeah, we'll find out how much he knows about television Just wow old fantastic. So, yours is fantastic too. That's I love first time in six years. That's just was hilarious It was hilarious. I remember I mean, I guess we're telling tales out of school, we might as well I remember him ragging on Bob Hope. I didn't talk to him a lot, but I did see him The young comic waiting in the wings and he comes down to before he went to the monologue. He was not unamenable to saying hello.. And You know, kind of kiboting for a minute before we went on. I remember once and it was always bitching One time he was bit biting about and not getting a new warmmer back. Like like get a new joke for God's sake. I think he thought there was a receptive ear in a young comic like All right. For Ch's sake, I've heard the same And then the other time was Well we were just talalking about There was Oh Bob Hope. Yeah, yeah. He Bobope I must have prompted him because I don't think he would have just volunteered it. Wh knows? He was kind of a Surly guy, but Bob Hope was on and I must must have said like, you know, boy, exciting hu, Bob Hope put him up on Dick Bud. Do think Buddy Hackkins and Dick him Yeah. And He just did not like that Bob Hope was this eight hundred pound gorilla. NBC. That's right. And that even Johnny Carson could be kind of bullied a little by Well. And he was a terrible guest. I think it was a terrible guest. I think that everything had to be scripted And he didn't like Bob Hope for lots of reasons. But yeah, I've understood because you know, I don't know if you know. I mean I narrated the documentary about Johnny Carson on PBS. which I purued because I wanted I had such admiration for him And I pursued it. and I think yeah, Hope was not someone he was. I mean, Bob Hope has a terrible reputation. Jack Warner has I mean, people were huge Brexit. Yeah. I mean if you had been around hundred hundred years ago, I would have fit right in. There you have No, But I mean, just nobody would' The things that did you see the Maryland movie that Anna Armist did? Yes. Yes. Disturbing I mean, we can't we don't know what it was like when she was in bed with Jack Kenned. No. But the portrayal in the movie was like would have rather seemen like a nuclear war movie These are not boring times we live in. I mean, things are It's funny, we do have this big July fourth birthday coming up. and so You know, I was asking the troops today like we got to last because them we werere off for a month. like next week, a week from Friday them. L there Last thing we And what do you do over the summer? Where do you go? Do you go anywhere do you go? I don't o many places. I mean. No, I spent forty years like going everyvery other weekend, you know, I mean, I did it in the last twenty five years as easy as you could with a plane and you know, only on for two days at a time. Very easy, but still I stopped last year. It's just It's a pleasure to wake up in my own bed every day. Sure. You know. I mean I miss. And do you still go out and do occasional No. You can't do occasionally. You can't. No, you have to be in practice. Oh, I see becauseuse you can't go out in oh, I'm going gonna try this one. No I mean, you gott to know it's going you'll suck Yeah. and I won't do that. I mean, comics have tried to do that sure many times. Sometimes they get famous and they think, o, now I don't really have to I just go back to it. my name will sell it will sell tickets. then the when you get to eighty disappoint. When you get to eighty, you can do it like Bob Newhart. You show up and you show clips and you know, you Talk about the career you've had. please. Just shoot me on the front lawn. just please somebody snipe me out Send a drone. if that's what I'm doing. You know That that's teended drone. have something, you know. That's the Bob Hope line that he famously said about like Bob Why do you go on the road? hundred and fifty days out of the year. and he said something like because the gardeners don't applaud. You know, right Yeah And ye and he did. I think he to the end No, I don't know if this is lore, but they said he every night got a hooker. Right. Oh, really? I mean, look, this is just scuttle butt. It could not be true very easily but not preventing me from repeating it. It doesn't ring untrue I mean he was kind of known to be You know Yeah. Yeah, I I don't know if and Dolores, it was just You know I don't want to get into the hope marriage I really don't. mean Yeah, you know, we've we've gone really downhill when that's that's the person we can say the shittiest stuff about is Bob Hope It be funny this is like a horror movie and we have this discussion and then you go upstage and you stumble upon some papers and you see Everything I said was scpt That's right. Everything was good. Look at this. was if he was planning on knew about he knew he was going to ask about Bob Hope. How did he know You know I remember when he was I was driving back from college and they were having like his I think it was his seventy fifth birthday And they made a very big deal of it an NBC special He had he' got like four of specials a year. S. and he would go on Johnny ug everyone, and that's what Jhnny didn't. That Bob hated We're not asking. Bob is coming on Thursday. That's right. And he's the lead guest That's right. I told this story too, but it's just too funny. You'll love it. I was on with Bob That night. must have been that night. So I'm on the couch. And Johnny just is like, o God, I don't know what to do with this guy. He's that terrible dog. even though he's known to be this genius cic. But I hate talking to him. So we just got a bunch of stills. So I'll show the stills and then Bob will could comment. And one was Bob And he dresses the b And Bob's comment was Yeah, they're on the That was it. That was his old stomach. Yeah, there' the poke ye. Yeah. I'm sure. Christ. Yeah Wow Well The old days, huh were like We could do the sunshine boys There wasn't that, Jack Geman Ny didn't do the Sentrion boys. No, you the best boys was Dick Van Dyke did it with his brother And And George Burns did the Sunshim Boy. Okay. That's right Well, that's what I mean about like hurry up and playing these late Middle Age because that something You want me do the suunje boys? Is that you're saying not yet. Oh, not yet. saying you don't have to do that.. Okay. All right, All right. But unless AI is a miracle worker in ten years, you might you might have to No I got AI got I got a bunch projects in the future that I'm very excited about. I got one You do one man show U I played Clarence Darrow, which I'm going to try to do again because I've learned so much now about actually being in court playing ch is going to take on a whole new aspect mean courourt itself was seemeems like quite a punishment. Just because it's such an unpleasant stressful place to be. Well, it's also you learn a lot. I mean, look, Evan and I both, I think Evan deserves a law degree now because he's been so involved in all the cases that we've done. and been such an influence on. E is your lover. Evan is my partner, but my business partner and not my partner partner. My business partner. crying. Yeah, I know, I understand. U and but we've look, we've learned a lot about the sort of legal system and so I'd like to do The Carance stero again But I'm going do a one minute show. about who I think is one of the great filmmakers ever. whom a lot of people don't know, which shocks me Preresson Sturges. Oh who I adore and who I want to to the world movies. I could pick them out Lady Eve, the Palm Beach story. Palm Beach story, very famous. Hail the cononquering hero. Oh yeah He wass an incredible screwall thirties comy. Screwball thirty Yeah, thirties comedies and incredible. But who else did you just say before that? Claire Starterl. Claire Starl. was let's tell the kids why He's like a big Well, Clarencear most famous case was the Scopes Monkey Tuck. Right, which has been turned into a movie many times called Inherit The Wig. There's also a play, which I have done Um H you had a lot of hundred years Leopold Lobe was another huge case of his. Oh Chicago But but Inherrit W wins a great play. Init Win is a great play. And a great movie with Fredrich M and Space Spcer Trace. Wrson Wells played him Henry Fondnd has played him. Oh, wow. Spencer Tracy did that movie. Really? Yeah, a lot of different actors have played was one hundred years ago and it was a trial. C't look at the monkey trial because in Tennessee, I think it was in the s. teacher was trying to teach teach evolion Eolution you know And Tennessee all you could teach is the Bible And, you know, for people who think, you know, we just Never get better. we do get better. They only do that in Texas now I mean, look, people are baptists are gonna to baptist. They're just gonna, you know, I mean, you can say Oh, you know You criticize this culture, this culture, but what about the Baptists who women say their wives should submit That's in that's in Baptist things. Women will kind of say, well, it doesn't mean get raped, but, you know, it's just not it's certainly not Now woman of the Year stuff. right It's fun Gloria Steinem blest. That right. But, you know, I mean, sex is complicated, you know? I mean, people like to submit sometimes 'm talking through Hey, it's Pride Mth Yeah, it is Pride Month. what do you do for Pride Mth I just swish around the house So yeah Have you ever been the, uh, like, um you know Foat you know, the leader of the quQueen of the float. Is that what you say What are you talking about? Hang on a secondc. Is that the float a parade. They' like a king of the parade. They have not made I didn did it on. They have not made You were the king of the gay parade? really No, no, the New Orleans No. Oh, no gays in New Orleans. Is that what you're saying? No, no. It was the Martning Rw. Oh, I was was depend on the kindness of strangers. Yes Yes. So those plays hold up, don't they course L like street car and of course they Yeah. I mean, you say of course, but like I do from time to time go back and watch like something or somebody will recommend an old movie. and The really great ones J. the apartment I think does although there are parts of it that You know, I mean, everything is going to look weird. fifty, seventy years. Does't the apartment look weird to you? The way Fred McMurray acts Yeah. he's a' he's a heel Exactly. But it's just not the way you'd play held today. It's of the era.'s It's okay. I think he's very familiar today actually. In general, but not like in the specific choices and things that make it dated, which is okay. We understand. it's happening in nineteen fifty. That. Yeah, honey. en gives her twenty dollars. It's like, okay, what is this for parking? No, this is for sex. It's nineteen fifty. That's right. sixty. Yeah. Okay. That's right. I mean shit like that. Sure, that's fine. It's fine. I'm just saying the movies as a whole. up. I'm not arguing with you. No, you are arguing with me. What are you talking about? I'm saying that one stands up, but there are things in it that are dated. Sure. That Okaykay. okay. But that's fine. Why are we arguing? I'm not arguing. What are we marrying Jesus Christ. We're not There's things that you did last week in this that are dated already. I guess so, Let's argue what we don't we agree on this. Okay, but some stuff does not. Yes, that's true. Yeah, okay. But also some that Boulevard does Absolutely. Hugely. Absolutely. Itound like it hot does. Yeah Yes, it does, it does. Even though you don't like guys in dresses A Oh really That sounds like a little gay of me We back to a little g you know, certainly the Romans did not or the Greeks treat homosexuality as a distinctive thing the way we do. I mean, Mark Anntony had many lovers Some were boys, some were women, and it was more who's cute? Sure. That was And there was a sheep as well. I not know. Well, maybe that one famous Plato sheep. But and you think of Rome as a and it was a very macho society. I mean, I took Latin in college at Cornell. And It is not a They usually get you laid when you say I did not I took Latin. Yeah, I took it and I didn't do anything with it. I mean, for like a semester, like sure. but I do remember that like unlike the romance languages, Italian, certainly English, and even German for fuck It was just like there's no floweriness in it. Every sentence is like, citizen Mo that rock on the road. It's all very practical and we'reilt they're builders, you know, That's what they did. They were builders, conquerors. They didn't fuck around when they conquered you. Sure. I mean, it was not a gay society, you know, by our standards And yet it was that was just a thing and uh, that just shows that what we think of as what our culture is It's not completely inevitable What is not completely inevitable. How a society looks at homosexuality.. You can either look at it as as we do as like a distinctive thing or like the Romans We don't what do you mean gay? Right, right They didn't label it Yeah, I mean, they crossed over like just much more fluidly. and I mean What I don't know how I was it's just the You using the term fluid at this at this particular time in our history is amazing. you're right. You got me there. But Jam Damn these clove cigarettes. they just make you forget Well, what's next for Kevin? Let see what Well, he I'm doing concerts. as I mentioned, we've got a bunch of concerts that we're doing this year. We got one in R that I'm very excited about. And you're a pianist What? No. No You're not a pianist? I've been accused of being a pianist But actually I'm a singer I know so I have a piano player And I play the piano too. Well, I can play a little bit but I'm not a piano player. So I do the American song book. I do about sixteen numbers Wow. An hour and a half show, in which I tell all the stories as well. What are some of the numbers? I bet I'd like this. Oh, fly me to the moon and Oh I know I all the sinatra stuff, you know that you love and I love. But I also do some surprising things. A great gospel version of Bridge troubled water. and wow. Bgeidge troubled water. Yeah Anyway, I'm also starting a film, a new film I'm doing that I'll shoot in Italy about the Holocaust, which is Cedy. which is a very complicated story, but one remay the clown cried. Yes, there you go. And so yeah, there's a lot of work coming up and I couldn't be happier to be going to work and I feel very blessed Hope if you put in all this work, we get to seease this stuff. Absolutely. You think we will? I do think we will. I absolutely do think we will Well, Of course, I have to leave the final verdict to the people. Yes You know, I think I was a fair. Inter lockator I'm sorry. I think I was a fair interlocutor. And Are you sure you're pronouncing that correctly? No I am not. J just making sure. Interloculor I He A, lady ang her And and you go home now, you just Well, I'm actually in California. for just a few days. Oh, you don't live here anymore? I don'tve here anymore, but I haven't lived here for a long time. But the reason I'm very about A being here and B that I've been coming to California is that tomorrow I get the chance to do something I love doing more than I can express which is to go see Dick Van Dyke Oh, you're going to see Dick see Dick in the afternoon who' become a great friend and an amazing man. C I'm one hundred years old now? Can I make one suggestion? Yes, please. Do it in the morning. No, I'm kidding. I' just saying Jesus But then after I see Dick, who's one hundred, terrible. I'm going to see my drama teacher from Chadsworth Highchool. who's mis. Corearelli. I still call him mis. Carelli. and he's ninety six years old And I saw him a year and a half ago. so when I come to town, I try to go visit. What do you think the secret is to making it that long Well In both their cases, They love life I mean, Dick Van Dyke gets up every day and he embraces life and he makes jokes and he makes inappropriate jokes and he's funny as hell. He loves to sing. In fact, what he loves what I love doing with him He loves for me to come over and and interview him Johnny Carson So we do a tonight' show together And then we sing together. And then he takes me out and a couple things he insists on doing. He wants to take me to the gym he goes to three times a week. So we go see the Jimmys at And we take a walk along the Malibu pier and just being meticully like, well, people are stopping him and saying most beautiful things to him. And then we go and buite carrots And we throw carrots at the horses I don't think he should go to the gym He goes to the gym three times a week. I know, but telling me you should work out at home Why? I'm just saying at a hundred J because you don't want to go out in the world I'm do. I'm just trying to help him. he's in great shape. Okay, a hundred year old immune system, I wouldn't just purposefly put it in a place that's known to have a lot of fucking germs. I mean, there's just a lot of grody people sweating on equipment and He doesn't use the sauna. he just does the equipment. You're in the sauna. I'm in the sauna. Dropping my towel. Exactly. I hope you're not mad at me for making jokes but not in feel like it was part of not in the le It's part of your penance. Yes. except And the verdict is for the people, but it must be said that you A lot of penance has been paid. like there was a lot I'm sure It's just been and a lot of bad edays bed nights But with penence com enormous I'm enormously grateful. And I've got Evan Loenstein in my life who is the most curious man I've ever known And the guy who by the way He spends so much time challenging opinions and challenging ideas and he challenges me all the time more than anyone And I'm enormously grateful to have him in my life. You're in love with this guy. Can't you see Without question, I love them. Oh But not h each other But not in that in the short way. Yeah, not in the other way. Why not cute enough I mean, what's your? We just we just have have a friendship that's gone. have twenty six years. Yeah a steady boyfriend. I don't have a steady boyfriend, but but I'm in the market Well don't look at me. I wasn't looking at you. Well, you was answering your question. You plainly werent and G get out of here. Thank you, Sir. a pleasure fun you doing this abbsolutely July we will both be canceled. We will both be canceled Mday. Yes that's right