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All merch is available exclusively at clubraandom dot comot While you're there, catch up on recent episodes and grab some swag and bring a little random home. Once again, that's clubraandom dot com d so not typical show business, anything. and I mean that in a good way. Well, what I'm about to say might change your mind I think youd like my shows. I mean, it's just o. It It's just brringem on out. Well, I have you. That's what's important. Hi I'm so happy you came back to see me. I'm so happy you went. Really? Yeah. I never Well, you know what, I think you and I are a lot of alike. We kind of play close to the vest You kind of have to like you do Well you what Like you kind of have to with people, like you have to it you get it from actions more than like Some people are very effusive, you know, likeike if they vomit a lot of love right away and Of course, it's Joe Business, I'm a fan is the is hello Right. You can't not say Right. you have to though You have to. You have to. You have to. I mean Don't you con sense when You know some people will need to know that. It's just they need to know It just got to the point. I mean, it's understandable. Maybe it was always this It's just understandable that if you don't say it, it's conspicuous. thenen you're saying ' not familiar. Trust me, I've had people sit here who like, they don't really know what I do for a living. No. Oh I'm not No, I' say names. But is there any like musicians or like just like it Not everybody watches your show Younger. None everybody watches your show Right, you know, that's true. You know, we all have our own Some people are only watching ESPN or only Yeah crime podcast ladies who kill, you know, their friends and Yeah No, I know, that's true. And there's way too much to choose from Yeah. just in terms of entertainment There's so many different It is an embarrassment of riches. When I think of when My youth and three t Well, New York, the New York market, of course, we were We had three local and three networks. So that was six channels. S countries didn't some countries some cities didn't have that. No, no, we had just three networks. Where were you In California? In California. Yeah. And there's only three ch Yeah, I wasn't there? Well, was a kid. I wasn't watching. No, I know Yes I wasn't interested. No, no. That's me street. Oh ye as a kid. That was PBS wasn't around when I was little. We had ABC, NBC, and CBS, the three networks. there there was no Fox. And then but then we had local New York, WOR, WNEW, WPI. Right. You know. Yes, we didn't have that Yeah. Wow, you were doing. No, we No, we had it too KTLA channel thirteen. Yeah we call them get We call them channel. That's That's where they put the kids shows like Officer Officer Joe Bolton Doid you have him? No. No. No. A cop. cops were for kids? Of course because a cop was the policeman is your friend. You know we weren't in Right R right, R knowost cynical and Historical. I mean, cops have done a lot of shitty things too. It's not we're not making that up.. But there good and bad. Yeah, they're Most of them, I'm sure are and we sure don't want to live without them and I get the chip on their shoulder. Yeah. But officer Joe was, you know, with the policeman's cabin and You know, they had, who was your person who liked? there must have been Captain Kangaroo? Captain Kangaroo. I liked. but I love. something called Ropper Room. Miss Marianne And she had a magic thing and she'd in Bromper room, yeah. yeah yeah. I liked it And wnder Rama. We had that. Jnny Fox Was that his name? Yeah, the It was Sonny Fox. I believe that I believe that is the guy. But I met him later Sonny Fox? Yeah I thought Sunny Fox owned toys are out It' be a different sunny fox. No, but he Or maybe I'm just making that up. No I met him through Howard and Betty Fast. You know Howard Fast? No. The writer? No. He wrote Spartacus. Spartacus. No. He wrote No, we did't Dalton Trumbau wrote Spartacus No that that because that was a big black need a blacklist Howoward fast Howard Fast was blacklisted And he wrotes forertic good? Yeah Why do I think Dalton Trumbeau, who was blacklisted wrote Vorticus? You got him confused with Howard Fast who was We are shot listed also. Okay. Tonald and Trump. Yeah Yeah. Yeah. No he did and Kirk Douglas Yeah was in it and They fought about that. Well, whoever wrote it did a fucking awesome job I mean, did you ever seen it Recently? No, not recently. You've seen it though I think so It's so great because it's like Stany Kubrick before he did like the more unconventional ones that were I mean, he certainly did. Like a you know, everything he did was so different than its's other movies. You know, there's no like genre of Stanley Kubrick. Every movie is like it's its own genre and then he's onto something else But like that was nineteen sixty, and it's great to see that master of like the far out When he just said, okay, this is a studio picture and I'm just going to make an awesome studio. I didn't know he directed it I had no clue Sorta Kubbert. Yeah Uh oh, what are we talking about May, I don't know. Didn't he? We don't have our phones. We can't check anything. No I I'm pretty sure he did. Wow. I think I think that was his Yeah, he did like paths of glory in the late fifties. He did, you know, you have to you can't immediately get the job of, okay, you do whatever crazy shit, you know, two thousand one is space out is. You learned the right to experiment. Right. Yeah. did it conventionally. And I just thought It showed his great talent because when he put his mind to that, he made a great popcorn movie. Be that's what it is Yeah You know, it's a real lump in the throat. I am Spartacus. Yeah. I know that part I don't know. that's gladiator stuff Yeah it's awesome. As a kid I wasn't. Lawrence Oliver isn't it Oh And Tony Curtis. Tony Curtis with his Brooklyn accent. Yeah. But who was it who is flirting with him in it Jenane Simmons Jo, the man Yes, you're right. This is like they have a they had the code for it like Yeah, whether a man likes oysters or Cams, you, it doesn't matter you know, they were saying, it doesn't matter if you're straight or gay, but in nineteen sixty, that's as close as you can get. wow But now Jean Simmons was kind of hot. She was the slave girl. Yeah. She was Smartus' girlfriend. Okay. Yeah. Smartigus. But he's being pursued by Crassus, who was this historical figure partart of the first tram it with Juliia Caesar and Pompey and Okay. And's how we'll be I know something. Won't be on the test. I'm not h Roman Empire. Okay. Which was I should be. No If you're gonna learn anything, but it's not an interesting It Pretty impactful Rom very, very impactful But uh So Crassis, he iss pursuing And so he's Tony Curtis? No, he's pursuing Cardigus, who's Kirk Douglas. Yeah. And so he captures his girlfriend and he's got her. He wants her to like like him. He's come on, look this guy's a slave. It's got no good clothes and Casses and I got, you know, togas and look at that fucking great fire. And u And she's, you know, she really is She have. Do you want? What? I have all these toogas. How many outfits do you want? I mean, today I just said today a mansion And she won't have it. And one point she says to him, he goes, H You tread the ridge between truth and insult with the skill of a mountain goat. I' like, o, I love movies. Yeah. You know. Yeah. Just I love it when they talk For a good reason, not like we talk N ever read a transcript of anything you've said off the cf? Oh, yeah Sometimes yeah Sometimes Well there's just a lot of you Yes, maam. Off the cuff you' quick. We're quick, but What I'm saying is we we lard our conversation with all this conversational spackle these s and ums and, you know we want because' real That' because we weren't raised in Britain where they would, you know, they used to like you know, they didn't say like I know when I do read. How many likes and I mees and that's I mean, you know, but We I about to say L un like, you know, come on like Sixty. Why are you saying like? Come on T old I' seven. Tal like a no. Yeah. I thought we were in the same age. No seeventy And I noticice you say it on the you know, you're not afraid or you have a little bit where you allude to it in the show You know, you you don't you don't you don't hide from Oh yeah, wouldn't be to burry the lead, but you know, I told you when you he before, I mean, I' the biggest fan of that series. It was so I was so beyond delighted and shocked. I didn't hear anything about it til it was on. And I saw a list I was looking Oh I was like, oh, I'll watch I'll watch these again It was like This is a third season. Yeah. they kind of kept it quiet there. Not really. No, but Ive just missed it. You missed it, but that's it Yeah. because HPI was great at promotion, but yeah. well, I mean ye, maybe they targeted it you know. I'm too old even for that. No. No, no, no, I don't not old you know, Well, I mean, look, the So much support from gay men, I have to say for the comeback. I love Valerie Chair. Don't take this the wrong way, game in, but I so understand that. I mean that in the best way. Yes Me too. I do. Me too. I understand too. I do You know, not to be facetious at all about, but why do gay men you know, are why they attracted to characters like that Divas and so forth. and it's usually because they relate to the fact that it is harder for women. before it certainly historically in this country. things have changed a lot and, you know, in many ways now you know, that more of them go to college than men blah, blah, blah. But there is still lots to do. And so they do relate to that sort of you you know, I'm not on top, but I'm going to get on to the top And you have to conspir get along to go along Right So there are compromises and you know, someone's not going be nice and you have to just Okay Having a bad day, I guess. You know, you have to ter reality just a little bit because it doesn't serve you. Honestly, that character itself should be in the Smithsonian with with Archie Bunker Really, I'm not kidding. and Fony's jacket and It so captures an error. and ye yeah. and just something in the culture, I can't put my finger on it. I don't have to because I know it's there. Yeah. And it's just It's it's this combination of, you know, some someomewhat Rivvado when she needs to be like you just love that courage that comes up because otherwise her instinct is always to get along and to like make people like and of course, maybe it's me having spent a decade as an actor I know the desperation of actors you know, but you kind of like make you do it in such a way that It's the desperation that we all feel that we relate to. It's just genius. But the fact that you don't take it personally or feel threatened or like it's That's fantastic Thank threatened. Well, There are a lot of I think well this I don't want to say it the wrong way. you know There are a lot of straight men who just feel bad for her and can't bear it and can't watch it because she's being treated so horribly first season Pally G, the writer I gott to say that character was right on the edge of I wasn't didnt never made me think I'm not going to watch the show. I loved it too much But like it was I mean, I hope that actor is not like that in real life. He's not. Okay. of the dad on Young Sheldon Now. He was They finished young.. He's fine. Lance He's great. He was so terrible. You're right. It was like it was hard to hard to take, but, you know, But to be fair we didn't Explain him because the camera was on her. But H was a writer And wrote a show, Network said, no, change it to four sexy singles. That wasn't what he wrote And then they said, and to hedge our bets, you got to keep that older one because we're doing a reality show. and you're going to have reality cameras around Of course he's pissed We didn't explain that. So that's the backstory. To justify. Yeah. I mean, I thought, we're letting you know a little. Oh I see Yeah, I thought it did need explanation. I really thought it did. I didn't because like there aren' be bricks like that in j business. And And that is also true. You know, I mean,'ve been I remember once a couple of times, but certainly once sticks out of ' being, u, you know unfairly berated in front of the, you know, things people are tense on sets. Yeah. thingsings happen on sets that Uh probably don't happen quite as much at the office because there's just much more tension in the air and a lot more high strung type of people. Yeah And no as if there's so much at stake Right? Isn't that how it is? Of course. It's like we don't have time for this. We're gonna die if we don't. What? G a better joke I don't know Yeah the egos world are outrageous. But also the money's outrageous Yes You know you know that as well as anyone. Yeah. no, that's true. I mean, showr you deserve it, but you know But no that's one reason why they're like Because how much does a day of shooting cost? On a movie? it can cost like a million dollars a day or? R been on a sitcom? No, you know,'re not you're rehearsing. A day of rehearsing is a lot. No You know, and Friends they were great showrunners. So it really wasn't until I was working with Michael Patrick King. And he started you know, fleshing out polyG. and I thought Seriously, aren't we going too far? We got more wriders in the writers's room They all had They all knew five show rununners that were as bad or worse than polyG. And I went, okay, then that's a thing. Wow Okay. Oh yeah. yeah, sure. But there's a lot of people onn a set that used to. I think it's so much better now Take it out. O the people they can take it out on if they're not number one two or This thing I just alluded to. Yeah That is exactly what happened to me Were you a guest star on S? I I was a regular on a sitcom. This is like my fourth sitcom. Okay. I was really over it mentally and it was like my sitcom career God was there was you know, it was not ticking off. It was going down. and So I think that this was called Charlie Hoover That sounds familiar Yeah, it was Sam Kenishon? Oh, okay u shortly before his passing and u they lead, um Ncessarily for out of it, but he was the one who, like It was Sam was on heroin at the time. H. So like wow, he'd be in the makeup chair like this Oh boy. and we'd wait around for four hours that he woke up? So I feel like whatever tension and problems the show was having, it was a little more than that than whatever I and somebody in that cast who had the authority to just blamed me because you couldn't blame him because he was the co star. Yeah He was the co star, and there's no show without him. He was very hot at the time. Yeah. That show That's inexcusable I mean, didn't you remember thinking just like the sane inside of you? This I know this has nothing to do with me, but it's just This is horrible behavior. It's just it's not Right? And they don't seem to be self aware. of it and certainly not at the time. Um I guess that they survival, you know? Everyone's surviving out there. Um, it's like There's an actor who's like He had a thing. now he's on a sitcom. I'm not saying sitcoms were always a signre on your way down. Y case it was Y case it was You know, Mga Mega stardom into anything you want. So you had the greatest sitcomics experience. I had more of the other one. Yeah. So very often you get somebody it's like somebody who was like maybe in the movies And now the time has come to like, you know, take your sitcom like a man. Okay., comeome on, Eric Stolt. fucking Get ridady of your pride and So so you got a guy like that who's like, oh, okay I kind of make this I fell off this rung of movie stard right. Now I'm on this rung TV. like people have made that into a big thing. You know, Burt Reynolds had a hit show. Yeah. Movie stars have done that and like landed very well on TV You don't want to lose this run because then you're out but reality. Yeah. So like that's his tension Right You're leaving out the other part of that tension, which is, I don't even want to fucking be here and now I have to deal with Odose and you know, right this guy who's so much funnier than I am. Yeah, this wise ass comedian and look, I'm not saying I couldn't have said something that was inappropriate Lord Nos. I never dop since. You know, yes, could I It wasn't. don't I think if it was anything, I would have remembered it, but I sure do remember gettingetting my ass torn in front of the entire crew and, you know, just a whole set, you know? And it's like Okay, you know, and like I said, This guy probably was very tense about his career. Yeah. So like if this is what it took to keep peace with the co star then Sorry You know? Mhm Yeah No, yeah. business. I think I've had things approaching that. not that bad because I was never enough of a threat You know, Who doesn't love spring Longer days, open windows, being outside without your extremities going numb. It's great. But here's the thing nobody mentions in the hallmark cards, the bugs. And they don't just visit. they colonize One anunt shows up and suddenly it's like Ellis Island in your kitchen. One spider becomes a family reunion. 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I would guess start a lot on things. You I just wouldn't take it in I had the best acting teacher who wasn't really an acting teacher. He was just hereere's how you cope I'm not teaching anyone acting. That's your business, but we're here to you know practice how you do what you do Wild. auditioning and they're eating Does doesn't matter what they mean. Maybe what if they're hungry? donon't take anything personally. It was so Great. That was the acting teher. Yes. I knew was success. It was all cold, all cold reading. so we just hand you sides because peopleople worked with him before an audition. It was so great. He even had us do warm a certain warm upp. we'd get up. For five minutes, you're going to do stand upps Wow. in front of it was only ten people in the class Yeah And had it go. Well, you didn't plan it, you didn't write it. You just stood up and spoke. and re learned immediately If you're okay, ' he would say, and here's just what I'm going to tell you If you're okay, The audience is going to be okay. If you're scared or you're nervous, or you desperately want them to like you. Yes. That's not what they're here for. R. So I would just talk and be okay and I did Groundlings improv, I could work in something sort of funny, not stand up funny, you know, notot craft a joke But it And it and it was fine and it was that was a huge lesson doing that. likeike, yeah, if you're okay And right, like All of you who are really good All right, a joke doesn't go and you say, all right, that didn't work anyway. you know, moving on or sometimes lik that better. O yeah, you know, when Johnny Carson made a living out of Yeah. And David Letterman. Yeah. Well, yes, absolutely there's something comfortable Well, there's also when a joke bombs for a comedian There's something in the reality of that moment Like we all feel it. So the comic feels it and the audience feels it So there is a huge tension that needs to be broken. So if you can break the tension, you'll get a bigger laugh than the actual joke would Not that I try to fuck up joke but once in a while. No, Well, you know But I mean, but it's not devastating. It doesn't go well. That's the trick because they can tell when you're devastated. I didin a round table with other actresses who do comedy and they're all younger and really talented And the question was, so How do you deal with like you all did improv and bombing in front of an audience And they're going into these big explanations too about, well, you try to win him back, you got to try to win him back. you got d. And I thought, o, I don't have an answer for this. I don't remember bombing Right. And not because I didn't. I do. because I didn't let it in because I know I had. and I just thought, all right, but we got to keep going. so But you were on stage with other people like in a in an improv. But then you can blame it on them. I mean I like I I have you know, years of bombing Not every time, every time at first, but like, you know, it just there's no other way to start. There's no other way. Right. It stand up. It look It never did It's That's pretty brutal the first few years just because You're learning something as anyone learns anything, but you're learning it in front of people I can learn something on the computer And no one's laughing when I don't get it right away or whatever I go you know, here there's no, you know, you just that's The way you're graded every time on your progress in what matters so much to you is there Obvious disapproval Because You know, they you can't fake laughter Right. People really don't. It's very involuntary. No, and you can tell courtesy and you When you he like Yeah, yes. A courtesy laugh. Someone make a sound, you know, in the audience where they're just like someone make a sound. It's really cing. Yeah, maybe it like kindling, it'll start a little brush fire of let know No, it's u we're not heroes in any way. we are just traveling m No, wait, I'm just We're just minstrels and cartoonists of some sort and Chlatans and Mount banks, but We do have a kind of bravery. Yes, but that's the other thing I was going to say because I When you said you're starting out and you're just bombing over and over and over again, okay, what keepeeps you from quitting Right. What sends you back on that stage? That is That is the question. And that it very much defines success or I mean, there's a million reasons why Success can conspire against you, show business. Some of it is luck and where you were and timing and whatever That's a big one. If you are willing to go back into the ring after you get your dick knocked in the dirt you have a good chance of getting somewhere because it is knocking on a lot of doors and it is a lot of patience and a lot of rejection And, you know, But you're also not expecting You don't have a chip because you're not expecting someone to say, I'm going to give you a regular spot here. When you're starting out, if you've got the right attitude, there's no entitlement. There's just, oh, I'm working, I'm working on it. and that's what I'm working toward where someone says you're going to That's true. I want you to come back. I want you. Yeah, no,. That is completely true. Unfortunately humility a certain level. Not the attitude. I did Really Y You thought like what' wrong with everybody. Did you really? You're not laughing. I did. too stupid for what I do. That was you were one of those guys? I Yes, yes. I can't deny it. I mean, and that's partly the partly The stupidity of youth. And also partly, I wasn't always wrong. Okay. Sometimes they were stupid. and sometimes it was a good joke It's just, you know, b, But even if it was true The last thing you want to do is convey that to them You just have to I have take it out. You can't, And I did, but you know, that's what And you would, Yeahah. Well but everybody was, right? Well, when you're in your early life You weren't alone Everybody did that. No, they didn't. Oh I was particularly bad at it. I many people just grinned all the way through it as you should. I just was thick and brash or whatever. I don't know but I've made my life Cornnell much Cornell. Cornell, as if that's anything. But no, I just made my life more difficult than it would have otherwise been if I could just have, you know get it that you just just I've seen and I would see other comics do it. You know, they would smile through it. Yeah. and then go backstage and say, boy, they fucking idiots didn't get the thing. Or sometimes it takes fifteen minutes to warm them up They're like Richard Geere in American Jiggalo, You know, when he's like me two hours to bring her to orgasm. Who else would you know remember he took real pride in his job. Yeah. It wasn't just I kind of remember. I think I blocked that stuff out. That re. Oh, it should what? Amer An American jiggler Do you ever see it Yeah R you remember it wasbe it was cool. Maybe that's a guy thing. I just remember all the guys Tarted trying to look like him After that, every guy cared about how he looked and You know, gotot a haircut. We were a look max thing. That's the movie that put our money on the map. It was really? Yes. I'm gonna have okay Nigaret Yeah. I don't think you'll be upset. Aicker You can have a heroine here if you want Have you ever had anyone No Anyoneay? Do heroin Are you offering? U No. U I did it. I smoked it Once like I think my first year out here in nineteen eighty three Somebody had it someomebody who turned out wound up doing a lot of heroin and I don't think just smoking. but at the time Yeah, nothing happened. Okay And maybe that's just smoking, but like zero. But nothing happened the first time I smoked pot and that's often the case with people. R. The first time you smoke pot, it just doesn't I don't know what that is, but no, nothing happened the next time Yeah, you' Yeah, the worst thing that ever happened to me. What happened? No, no, it just it didn't go well Wh? It was a little too much. Oh I was Like thirteen. Oh, whoa. Aesome. Yeah. And I just remember thinking my friends are laughing. It's like, what are you laughing about? you're not high. This is you're full of shit because this is. Misery and I think I'm going to die And you never did it again Not till college. Yeah And again You know, it's like nothing's happening take another bnd and you know, okay And then all I were going out and I have two people holding me up and' going through a dorn I just went with my boyfriend into his room and I was taking like a biocyitete class, because that's what it was called in the eighties And bio pych now it's neuroscience. And I The only comfort I could I really thought I was going die. Everything was racing. it was going too fast. Slightly disassociating, I think, you know, it's just ugh and I would just Okay, I know exactly which neurotransmitters are firing too much. I just have to wait until the receptors can then. It's's the worst feeling in the world. mayaybe not the worst. I was never tortured in Vietnam. I'm sure there are worse. But in my life, my charmed life then when a psychic drug has a hold of you like that, doing something you didn't think it would do. And you don't you Im I told the story before, but it was I took Speed, not speed like the drug, but they sold stuff like Fenfen. You remember that? Yeah. Like it was diet drugs. Yes. but it was just it was some nut from South America and it was speed. Yeah veryery speedy. Wow And I did it with a pot brownie And you don't know how much pod is in a brownie. Oh, okay. And I thought, oh, you know, I got a lot of work to do I'll take the u speedy thing, So give me energy and I'll take the pot brownie to psychic, you know, I love writing on pot. Well, the combination. I was like I didn't know I didn't know what reality was. I didn't I couldn't move. Yeah. Like I felt like if I moved I would die like one inch. So I was frozen at my desk I could see the phone, but I couldn't move And I don't know if that happened for ten hours or ten seconds. Right. You know, it's just ye. It's like and you don't know I thought, this is hell. I'm in hell or Yeah, well, it may it also it makes me wonder horrible. Was it m Mindset that this shouldn't be happening. That makes it a nightmare. are Is it possible or would it have been possible to just like, okay, just go with this And then it would have been Exactly. There is no doing that. No. It's just takes you. It's sort of like the psychic version of food poisoning Because once again, you have no control and it's a scary feeling that you don't you I don't know when this is going to end my head with this crazy trip I'm on And with food poisoning, I don't want to throw up Yeah doesn't you're not doing it I don't want to be You know, puking while I'm having diarrhea, It doesnn't matter. That's what we're doing. And you know, and you just you're bargaining with your own body. Please, just give me a minute. I promise I'll throw up in a minute I promise, I will.ust give me one minute to Noope, let's do it again now. Let's do it your way, huh, buddy? You know, I'm like, whyy can't we work together? I am you. And that's what that was with the Fenfen and the pot mixture Yeah. Shit. So what you do? So did you ever never do it again I I'm sure that I mean I What I would do is never do that again. Oh I certainly never did with ent Well, that's what I mean. Oh, yes, no. Or speed. O No, no. Yeah. Yeah, dumb idea. Have you done mushrooms or those course? And that's okay. Great That's what my husband says, yeah. It Yeahah, I mean, I haven't done it in quite a while, When we did it and late college twenties into my thirties, I think, not often But it was just it's a laughter drug, compleplete laughter. You're just laughing your ass off nothing I know, but people do that with and this is like the seventies when I was thirteen and too high. That was not the heavy stuff that it is now Havy mushroomed? No No, the pot in like the seventies was not as Strong, strrong The fact that it had that effect on me madeade me never go near any kind of psychedelic terrified me I mean, I think you'd like my show. I mean, it's just o. It's just Bring them on out. hereere. Yeah the gold diggers are here to. It's a good idea. Yeah, but you know a gold digger. Bring 'em on out, girls. the whole tray of mushrooms. I mean, when I did it in college, I remember the first time. You know, we didn't know what we were doing And we put it in like a tuna fish sandwich, it was disgusting. And then Yeah, I know. But they were the actual stem You know, it wasn't like a pill It was mushrooms. Right. I know. dried horrible tasting root. I saw them. you know, 'cause other people We're doing that And you'd eat the caps and I don't know. Whatever it was, it was fun. It was like it was really fun. but what I think is going on with that drug is It is robbing you of all the is it serotonin that makes us happy? Is that the one I yeah, maybe One of those? Mushrooms are Wh you're while you're on it Youre I feel like it that's why you're laughing and you're just hysterically off the Chards happy because it's just just rining or draining it so that when you come down, It's like Oh Yeah. I remember that first time I came down. I was it was at my parent's house where I was like for the weekend ' it was like my first six months in comedy And things are not going well It just, you know. For six months. Yeah. We'veready talked about the beginning, how bad that can be. Yes. Yeah. And I wasn't even up to the bad part. I was pre bad It was just horrible. So to be in that moment in reality when the seratonin was just completed. Yeah. was just a terrible combination. Right I could see that. It was just a lot of But you didn't have the mind expanding like trees or trees king and moving and any of that wonderful stuff. One time I my fingers looked like they were ye, little not much. No My mind didn't But that's just how people's minds are. Some people can't be hypnotized Yeah. I'm not surprised I didn't have a lot of hallucinations. I mean Yeah, Mate, I'm very here. Meet you I'm very I like you.' present. You're very present. I know. You're so you're so nut typical show business anything, And I mean that in a good way. Okay you know. Well, what I'm about to say might change your mind But No, because I've been listening to The physicists Yeah. that are You know, thinking about the difficult question have Consciousness and deceiding That what makes the most sense? is its consciousness is not in here exists in a field That field That is everywhere But it's not in here I don't understand that. You don't understand it What do you mean everywhere Well, you know, that Oh les waves, everything, you know Sabatomic There's entanglement, right? Yeah thatwhere I have a you know, New York Times Tuesday, science Times education on a lot of this stuff That's about as much as Yeah. like I'm not like, but I'm aware of all these things to a degree. and mostly, you know, that degree as well, I don't have a degree in this So I get I don't have I never took physics Yeah becausecause too abstract for me Yeah. it's one of those I call I kind of get it. Kind of get it. I get it. And anyway, there are things that we can't explain. lot. and there's so much physics. Yeah. C can't explain it a lot of it And then things that we experience that we can't explain what happened Weird Not really a coincidence. It's it's more. a coincidence. Yes. But you don't want to sound like a right hippie freak. Right. Right. So Well, I do, but yes. So no you are too anoyid to say, but Now I'm Yeah, I'm in Let's keep asking. Let's look into it. 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I know I know, it makes it makes me nervous to say and everything becomes you're taking a political side No, I was just talking about, you know, But I mean, I don't know, my consciousness I do feel like it's all in here I mean, I feel like I'm influenced by things out there, but Okay, you know, they' say something and cut you off, I guess. No, no Because you like writing while smoking Right or being altered in some way. Yes, exactly. So a lot of neuroscientists, I'll say a lot Neuroscientists are saying the brain is a great filter especially this front part and it really filtering all the information you can't use to exist here. there's a lot going on inside. I mean, for example, inside If your brain had to be aware of every cell, dividing Sorry There's no ro No For that Well There's just as much is being proposed happening outside. that we aren't aware of So our brain has to filter all that out. Well, once you makeake the filter a little more permeable You're getting access to some things and Creativity is one of those things that maybe doesn't Start here comes in you know, when you're in a flow or something is really And that's what the machines can't do I prepare to your show. I don't know. Yeah Because right Again, o m so glad I made my jself just thinking this. So glad I Iouldn't forget to tell you this The thing this year with the AI. Yeah is the perfect three subject for this moment at this time. You're so right on the money. Yeah. M back King part to give him credit. Yes. Here's what we can do. And of course, it's given the rate that AI is moving, it's like probably like two weeks ahead of reality. I mean, we were so afraid that by the time it came out, we would be That's insane. Nothing like that would ever happen. Tal about being at the head of the parade. are Yeah it's such a great subject and it's pererfect for comedy and Yeah. tellelling us what we need to know. I just did the wo weeks ago said something cut this from the final version, but I was going to say I was going do this whole thing without any jokes in it, which I've never done in twenty three years. I always put this about it was about AI. Oh just to I didn't do that just to make the point that consider this So far and above the most important issue than anything else we're I mean, yes there'ss Trump anduke nukes It's actually AI That's what that is. you know, Colonel Peiper in the kitchen with the door knob or whatever that show is where you ue. Oh clue. know you know, that's don't know what he's talking about. what I'm saying. I'm just gonna not. That's who the murderer. Right. It's AI And but I'm more scared of it than anything and think It's more dire than anything Yeah, maybe to me, The reason it's not It can't it's not just AI It's that Human beings created it don't really know what it is and don't know enoughes to put the guardrails in. That's what you're saying. a tool. If it could have been ke if it's kept as a tool, becausecause it needs human beings supervising No, it'll probably in, you know, some years a few years from now cure me of some terrible disease I otherwise would have died from And then the next year the robots will completely take over and nuke them world because I in there Comutation, we are the problem You know, there's a reason why Hinton the Godfather of AI. Right said said there was a ten to twenty percent chance of an extinction. Right I mean and Musk has said This shit scares me to hell. You know. Well what are you gonna do? I know Chr are you gonna do? No, because the genie's out of the bottle. Right. Well, at least we should be talking about that It's interesting someone was just saying today somewhere about this and the The thought was U the only thing that's going to stop AI from taking over is more AI which was a scary thought to me, but it may be true an AI that's programmed to hack the existing AI that doesn't know better Boy it's I Yeah ye. Yeah, I don't know Yeah, ye, I don't know. We Well, luckily we just stayed with But it's so' AI It's so no. It's such a great premise. And then by the end of it, They've scanned her and she's like, no, no, I doc you signed that as if It's not a legal document. That doesn't count. but I also love the thing with They nobody nobody saw Mrs Hat. That kills me every time. It was long epic. epic's like the look on there You know, and she's she's miffed every time. Yeah, you know But that's the pluckiness of that character. I mean she's She could be Mary Richards if Mary Richards was Much more insecure. Yeah, or needed. Yes or talentedigs. I mean, she's Yeah, I don't know how talented Valerie is, but she does know. Well she keeps doing shows. She knows serviceable sitcoms for sure That she knows. Well. veryery well That mean D I take her I take her as much more successful than that because they give they always mention all the shows And Rife, that's true. It's like she won an Emmy for the Yeah, gritty single c In real life. I mean There are people like that who the audience just likes And so Michael Lndon always has a show, you know He could be a fireman, he could be a William Sallner, you knowge angel. We're a cop, you're a lawyer. you whatever it is. We just like you. Yeah Dance and we like you. Yeah. Goddamn it And it makes sense. Always be in a show. Yes. That's how kind of I see her biggest, it's not like she doesn't work AI picked her for this because Who would do like you know there was an algorithm and who would do it for this much money and o You know, and it was and just By the end of it They don't want a great funny show They just want a serviceable show. Yeah. Bul. he'll say Andrew Scott plays the head of the network H'll just say We don't need it to be great. we just need it to be good enough so that it's on while people do whatever else secondcond screen And that's why they picked Valerie. So S that's like the most evil thing in it I mean, just that kindind of thinking It's already happening. I mean, look, we started, we thought reality TV was going to be the end of scripted television. because it's cheaper. Right. I don't know, audiences will always tell you what they want. And yeah, they do want some good stuff and silly things They also want things that make them think and things that make them really laugh and They want the options for all of it. Well And they want whatever it is, I feel like they want the best that we can make. Maybe that' you. But not every night No, notot every night. Do you think people would Crown Every night.. you know, or your show every single night. I am so like, oh God, I gott to think about yeah, oh, that's scary shit. you know, like you got to have I'm so variety. So behind on the crown. You never watched it? U No It's kind of a chick show, isn't? I get No. No, that one's not It really isn't. Well acting like a good chick show, but yeah, but now who knows If it's what you're learning See, you're not gonna do the character ever again, though You said this is very final about this is final, right? Yeah just feels right, a trilogy. It feels full circle. Yeah. We started at what we thought would be Yeah almost an extinction event. And now here's the next one. Yeah For entertainment. for what you're talking about because It might be. and Yeah, so it just feels and now it's a trilogy That's a whole it's a piece, a thing that got fired turned into You know, a three part Yeah. story Yeah, and it Merits of makes sense for a trilogy like Godfather three. I like it. It's entertaining What's wrong with it is that the arc of that story ends at the end of two. Michael Corleone goes from That's not my family, K I don't know who these fucking gangsters are, but that ain't me to killing his own brother, spoiler alert B flert. S. Once you've gone through that cycle, ye, you're done And then then they and I think they knew it. They were just making a gangster movie He killes you brethren too At the end of two. At the end of two. Right. shit. Yeah That's right What movies do you watch L it's on a few good men I can'tot watch it. 're right I can't help it. No. everyone's great Everyone's great. Jack Nicholson Yeah Tom Cruz. Di Moore D Moore. Kevin Pollock So easy to watch.es. so good So good. Oh, Kevin Pollock was a He's great. Everything he does, yeah. I know Yeah. And he had a good I mean, we started his comics together You know Yeah and then he got this great career as an actor Yeah No, he's fantastic. Yeah. so I love that And then the Sex in the City movie, the first one. If that's on, sorry, I'm gonna watch it. So you just get you just like, I'm ever I'm all over the place. Youre just like You don't purposely watch things, you just whatever's on Yeah. Some people watch TV that way that's so foreign me Oh no I don't enjoy it as much when I look for it and put it on unless I'm with my husband and he wants to watch you know, something I said let's watch something Rom. canan we just watch a good like romantic movie? Would you do that? Because it's not his thing L like, yes, yes, I will. Yes And I said, okay, what about O defending your life. ' it's also so good Albert Brooks, Meryl Streep, deffending your life where fear is the wor He I' see, that's where I'm sorry came in and his great brain turned it into something, but Cheer Of course, fear is It's the worst. That is suffering. that is And then love is the opposite and that makes everything okay. So that's what's about I loved that whole Paradigm. Deending your life. Such a perfect structure Perfect. Why do you think so He wants to He dies. Yeah. He goes to heaven But and he's put to the test because he has to prove that he has courage. Right? orr that he wasn't afraid Like if you don' why didn't you like yourself enough? wasas the proecution's point? Why don't you love yourself And he falls in love with Merril Streep. And Meryl Streep. loves herself and because she does there's generosity and she's not afraid of anything. The antidote to fear, love And it's such a big idea At the time I thought I'm not sure, you know. She's going off at the end on the bus, right? Because you're like the bus in heaven like that takes you to the next level. And he's gotone another bus going some crappy place. But he goes after her bus to be with her thereby also fixing his And he's breaking a rule is a fear and he's yeah. But you see, that perfect structure of starting with a need. Yeah and a desire and then having them The way show business went But it's good I mean, no, because it's an idea that everybody gets and you're not even sure on what level you're getting it, but something about it makes you laugh because it's true or makes you cry because it feels true on some level, You know what I mean When do you watch like TV or movies? Do you watch movies on TV? I mean, I do Yeah Do you go to the theater ever? Never. Yeah.. like Nope. And I feel bad kind of. Okay. I mean, I could blow my brains out of but. So do I So do I, you know? I'm not saying I'm a better person than you because I feel better. Just because you know, I mean, you hear these directors like Martin Scorsesei, who we all know is the greatest and I love and bl blah. But you know, they're all It needs to be seen in the It's like, Okaykay, I'm sorry. I'm sure on your level and what you are seeing But I'm just a young man in the twenty second row, you know I'm just lock in them. I've even watched some of your movies in the kitchen. I'd seen them before, but you know, I'm watching them again. I've seen it three times. By the way, that's how good they are. right That I don't need This huge epic experience Right. It's so good that it works on that or on That in my family room, but Or when I'm making a sandwich. Or when you yeah. I don't you know what else I have What I miss? backack it up a little, so I can see I want to see that again. And I don't need to be in a community to know whether it's funny And hear other people laugh. I don't either. O You know, crying I don't either. and sometimes that annoys me. You thought that was funny? I know. O you didn't think that was funny? You thought that was funny and I missed the next line, which I bet was actually funnier Yeah, I've been the only guy laughing in a theater I think I can have that memory a few times in my life. I laugh at the small stuff Like that side, like that muttering That's, you know right after the joke makes me laugh. Also It's like Lucy and Ethel I love Lucy, you know, what made me laugh Ethel going, Oh, what? Oh, okay. Oh, you know, just like the it felt like they were really there And oh, well I didn't know, honey, Oh, honey, I didn't know. Yeah. That little stuff makes me laugh. Not that I'm obsessed, Again The idea that like the audience isn't getting the best, the idea that somebody would say Like well, it' just, you know, It just has to be good enough It just I really feel like as flawed as some of the stuff was in the past for various reasons, some of it, you know We don't want to get into the political, but I feel like the writers of Mcael's Navy really did their best to you know, the writers of the Wild Wild West and Star Trek and like everything I liked. Star Trek was something Beverly Hill Billies. I feel like a bunch of guys got in a room and were like, o, people like our show. and let's make this The funniest episode ever and you know, So ye, you know It offends me that Anyone would have that idea that with AI or whatever, just so good. I have never phoned it in I dont I don't think I would and I've seen people phone it in you know? Mhm. but I'm just going like, I probably have U No. No. You're all all that What's the movie with where you're like Youere're with the wrapper. My God Come on. what is that? That one, Marcy X. I love Marcy X Mercy X. How I said that was on fucking cable I have never seen it It's great. It's great. Are you kidding? I'm not. I didn't even have to do press for it. I just remember That's how much it was like, yeah, I. It's real funny I'm stoned now, so I can't really like remember what Okay. We don't have to. That's okay. What you tell me, you did it. What rememind me. What's the plot? My father is very wealthy.. He has a heart attack Does he die? No I don't know. You inherit something? And inherit a record failing record label. and Dan Wan's failing record label, right? Yeah. It is the star rapper. Star rapper. And I'm this like rich jap from Yeah New York. Great It's great. I'm telling you Nobody ever told you that. Nobody saw it you know what? I never. I I was not aware of it until it just popped up. You know, they every movie comes, if you flip through the fifty movie channels. Okay, Mbe we were stoned when it came up. No, when it came up, I said, I've never seen that. like, what is this? You were in it. I was like, oh, I'm definitely gonna watch this. I was not disappointed. I honestly. Wow And Damon Wand Yes, very funny. fucking thing is funny. It are great. Well, I think ye. Who directed it? Wh wrote? Richard Benjamin wrote directed it? Richard Benjamin. He directed. Oh. and tellell the kids who Richard Benjamin is Richard Benjamin. Yeah. D kid. He was in everything. he had a big one. Well, he was married to Paul Apprentice. yeah. And they had a show when I was a kid, He and she. He and she was so awesome. Yeah. And not heartbreak kid What was he a heartbreak kid? No, God. The one Cort Noise complaint or Yes, that He had a fine career as an actor. but he also Cool egg Catch twenty two. No no, catch twenty two is Mike Nichols. No, no, he didn't direct it Oh, he directed my favorite. He he it,es. Yeah. Yeah, my favorite ear. Yeah yeah. Yeah. No, and lots of stuff. He was lovely. He was so nice. So he did that moment. And Paul Rudniick wrote it. Oh, Paul Rudniick is a genius. I loved him. We used to be on politically incorrect So funny You remember the column I used to write? Yeah. there was a movie magazine back when we had magazines And he wrote a column called If you ask Me, And it was, you know, he's a gay man. It was from the it's this woman Libby something it was just ourview the reviewing movies. It really was so funny if you're looking for something from the past. Yeah. But so that what a pedigree for that movie. I know Rudnick Richard Benjamin. Right. Oh, so why are you surprised? it's good It's so good. Surprised because it barely got a release. I wasn't required to do press. Why was it doing good? What does it have to do with good Well, it didn't sometim felt fraught the whole time. I'm sure it was. Yeah. were't movies? Pretty. Uually? Rough No, I mean, I did some independent films that were not at all. That were great Don' sorry easy Easy. Would you I say easy? If they said, We're doing the next season of you know women where there's been a murder Oh, Snoop, onene of those lady Snoop shows. Yeah. which not Mrs Hat. Not Mrs' Hat. No, like u Big little lives. I think, you know, like Yeah A listters like you who were involved with with the Oh, please I'm saying, but would you do a show like that Yeah. I depends on who Yeah, why not? That would be great You should also do white lotus So anything thing I don't know. That would be great for you Really? Don't you think? I don't know What do you want to do now? Now that you're not gonna be? Well, I might be doing Romey and Michelle sequel that movie. Rome and Michelle's high S school reunion. Oh I got one again. Yeah, I remember it do that soon. very soon Yeah And then I don't know I'm a whatever I hear there are very nice sets now And people are not like what you describeed on sitcoms and there are people that just really one. everyone to Oh, yeah professional and get along and Focus on the work. I'm sure there always were, way less the past, you know, No, but there was there were people that felt like No, no, it's fine. You know, when movies are when everything goes smoothly, the movie' terrible I just went that doesn't. that doesn't make any sense. so I think everyone could be decent to each other too, and it could be okay I just remember hearing about how awesome dailies were. When I was like doing movies like I mean, The daies are Yeah. you know, every was like so jazzed about to just see that. and it's like Would you go? Did you ever go see Daiess You weren't invited. Right I wouldn't have been invited. Did I even ever have my own trailer? No, I was never rose to that level. I did like Cannibal womomen in the Avocado jungle of deeath in the DC Cab. This is my acting career Murder, she wrote. I was on twice. I li. But did you like acting You know At the time, you know, I was Mid late twenties into my thirties Yeah I mean I did There was there's some there's a satisfaction in nailing your close up That is a real high. Yeah. And I'm sure people like yourself who do it way better than me and I Awesome long career That high is worth chasing way more than it was for me to chase it. And it was never really my destiny anyway Acting you're a character and I'm better at being exactly who I am And acting is sort of the reverse of that Right, it's very hard just to be exactly who you are with someone else writing the words for you Especially that's hard. But I think you reverse. I think it's harder to be, you know someone else. Well, the way I mean Oh, I love being someone else. Of course. That's why you're good at that You know. Yeah. I could see also why you want to be Dalery Yeah It's just so much fun. Yeah. sllip into that and because nothing bothers her. Not really. You know? She just makes up a reason why it's okay, none of my business. Yeah You haven't seen the last one I tried to. They wouldn't give it to. No, it's only up to six on my machine. Right. And there's eight Oh yeah. Yeah the last one is is is good They're all good. Yeah I was They caught on, you know, the The streamers at first it was like binge, binge away and they were like, oh, you know what? People are just gonna binge and then We had cancel and there was like, Oh no Yeah, let's go back to how we did it in my day on TV where you watched once a week and that's why people came back to your products. So we have courts now, Well now they have commercials They have upfronts again I just heard there's going to be upfronts for HBO Max. NBO Mac. Ufronts because they're gonna have one tier. Oh yeah. Well lower price subscription. Yes with commercials. Well, they already do that on Epic You know what like Netflix does it? No, no or they. I don't think so. But somebody does it Somebody does it that way because I tried to watch something once and it wass like, Oh Oh I see. I have to sit to a commercial. Yeah. I watch history channel and I can get I only watch one show on it And there's always there's like three minutes of ads and I not don't I'm not used to that anymore I don't care for it. You can't fast forward Oh I hate that's not fair. I hate streaming and ruined sports Oh. They've ruined it. Why? It used to be all the games on one channel. Yeah. So you're just like, okay, all I do is turn that with the game. Now it's all over, you never know where the game is. It's on some of them are ESPN. NBC ABC. Wait, it's not one network or one ad all spread all. Not all of them? No So we have to hunt for the Fucking game. Wow And then it is harder to fast forward through streaming, you can't do it. with old DVR, I know, grandpa. You can see how fast you're going. You can see where to stop You can blip through the commercials and know You can't do that Why? Because it just doesn' because they don't want you to Is it live? streaming live? is that why? If I want to like zip through the commercial, it's not easy to do on stream. It's just not R? It's as if it's on demand and you're stuck with the whoever sponsored that segment. Yeah. I don't know. Do we sound I don't know what you're talking about I guess.'re talking about zipping through things. I know, but it's harder on streaming. Okay. It just is And they do lots of shit like that. I call it reverse improvement. you know Things were I mean, know, half the stuff. just to get the TV on I mean, I don't want to sound like Andy Rooney. I I used to hit a button and then the TV would come on. And have you open a bag of potato chips lately, it's mostly air. That's true TV is so important to me. Me too. I mean, it's what I watch it at the end of the day. Well I watch it, you know, I have it on I have a TV in the kitchen, the bathroom, my office But if I really want to watch something, I watch it in bed at night because I'm just just watching. I'm not taking a bath, I'm not making a swich, I'm unpacking my briefcase. So I watch your show from the bed Oh It's the highest compliment. It is. I can give to aonor. a thespian. What an honor. I said thespian. Um So why Oh, 'use you said lesbianbian Yeah. I'm assuming that audience I guess get a make lesbian. Exactly. C' say that You know, I have to watch at least an hour. of TV before I go to bed whichich probablyrobably not the right time to do it, they say because you shouldn't be screens. It's kind of the opposite effect of what No no. That's my wind down. Me too. That's my wind down. I know Light is not great right before you sleep, but to bed. It's worth its trade off. And I have to watch sitcoms Oh before I go to sleep. Is that? Yeah 'causeuse it's Like I watch if I can't watch your show Before going to bed ' it No, no. It lights my brain up. I go to bed infuriated. It gets me thinking. No, ' it gets me thinking. And that's a good point. You wake up. You made the shit out of your pillow. No. It feathers all over the place. No No. No Well What's like old sitcoms? like Well they're all old. That's a new one. Well, I mean, like going like old like Andndy Griff for the show. Oh, no, Not that old. Not that old? No. I've done all in the family though. That was fun I like doing that. And I've watched Andy Griffith, but at night Right now, it's Will and Grace makes me laugh out loud. Wow thirty rock. laugh out loud thirty Rck. And recently, friends, I did finally watch all the way through And it made me laugh out loud It was it was the most popular show in my lifetime I've ever heard about it. It's mee too Wow. Yeah. like something Sometimes I forget because You know, I'm such a fan of everything else too I figure, oh yeah, and she's also that icon one R The icon on that icon show. It's iconic. Yeah, it is Thank God for it. It let me. the other things I wanted to do It had a Beetle que feeling Fr I always start from the fans So like aside from the fact that, they love the product, they loved the show, they loveved the bele music. But they really like were emotionally invested in the band liking each other. Like it was like Yeah, painful if they thought Mommy and Daddy were fighting, you know, Yeah. John and Paul were You know, beefing, you know, John Lennon wrote a couple of mean songs about it. I was like, o, come on, you guys And I felt like you gang had the same thing. No, we really liked each other. yeah. We really did Well, that yeah, I mean, that's good too. Yeah. but Oh that people were invested in Yeah. that is the audience, you know Yeah But you can see it. you can I don't know, Maybe you can't tell. I mean, there were shows I love and I didn't know they all hated each other. R Yeah. they're acting. Right. Well. But yeah, I think there I think there's a special chemistry that does come through. Yeah. you know. I mean, it has to certainly with familiarity over the years and go through each other's problems. I mean, you were young. Yeah. So young people do a I think do a lot more sharing. Yeah. Although I was thirty when I start when we started that. I was the oldest one. I mean to forty And I don't Yeah and it dont. but Bantage point of seventy to me, that's young girl. Yeah. Well, me now. Well, just because I know how I was acting when I was thirty, and it certainly wasn't like a mature adult. That's right. You know. That's right No Eens drove to a All right, I was thirty two, I believe. I drove. from my house in West Hollywood to the beach, I think it was Labor Day in my Mercedes top down without a shirt on and did not bring a shirt Cberall You know, theseese are the Hollywood. I call this Who was in my body moments? Like so if I remember that, I know specifically I did that I think, okay, that was my brain What else was I getting wrong Interesting, you know, at that age. Yeah. What else must have been askew. but that's a male. Women's brains, I think mature much faster And thirty, they are adults Not a man. Yeah. Not this man. Well, I always I couldn't wait to be thirty when I was ten So I was always You know, that doesn't seem safe. What are you doing? Why is everyone an idiot There' such unnecessary risks, you know I was the best teenager ever I wanted to get over A childhood overwith also. Yeah. I looked up to adults. I wanted to be one. I was a control freak. so Children are not in control. Yeah. So it's a fundamental It sound like I had a bad childhood, but I was in fundamentally in a state unsuitable to me Right. As a small tyrant But what was was there anything worse than when there was a substitute teacher in grade school? And everyone was just like screaming becausecause it was a substitute teacher. It wasn't the regular teacher. and everyone was it was pure chaos Oh, it was the worst. I hated it Are you one of those people who thinks High school did Nothing for you Yeah Well, no I think it did Yeah That's right Biology and honors biology and fell in love with that. Yeah, I liked that. But socially Yeah, I mean, My first year, we started in sophomore year Tenth grade was the first year of high school And yeah, I thought OkayK, we'll go to a football game, then we'll go to parties and Two of those, and I was done They're just getting drunk. And it's even more stupid You're already so stupid Oh no. Now what That's tenth grade. I figured that out and so did my other friends. Yeah. See. So ahead women to men. That's why the girls were. Well, the other girls were thrilled to be there That was we were weird. The four of us We were just weird Weird because ahead because you were When I got to college, Cornell, the first year in the dorm uh, I got ostracized because They were having Shaving creream fights, like And like the first A few times, okay, it's funny tenth time and I said something And then I was like made myself into Ostracism boy. I mean I'm telling you The dumb thing. You were a drag like yeah You were you were such a drag because it wasn't funny enough It wasn't entertaining enough for you I mean it didid you like sitting around having intellectual conversations? No. In the dorm? Yeah I had one friend No I mean, it was terrible. But once you made friends outside of the dorm, Is that what was fun for you to like sit around talk about? Yes. Well, I didn't I mean, it was rough the first couple of years. didn't At first I wanted to have a girlfriend. I gave up on that after I was like, I could just have a friend That's how low like yeah, Cornells like that. So eventually I did hook up with a great guy who's one of my friends for life. and we smoked our first pot together really you know, we were pot dealers together in college and U We did speed a few times and speed I mean, like I don't think they make it like this anymore. You would be up for twelve hours great conversations, or you thought they were great conversations. But There was that feeling of like, wow, you know My mind is alive and you know, this person is, you know, we're playing ping pong mentally and it's One of the greatest pleasures of life I mean, yeah, you know That's why I keep saying, I'm no fun at a dinner party becausecause I don't know what to do with the Chita N. You know, I just get Wellll just pick out one person and to them Yeah, but you probably have that at home Yeah. If you're married for a long time, it's probably because you have that mental ping pong that The person is just, you know, a person can just endlessly delight you Mentally. Yeah