Reflections on Relationships and Aging

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Well, this week on Cub random Classics, Cheryl Crow. Wow. thirty years in the music business usually leaves people either crazy, bitter or both. No, Cheryl somehow avoided all of that. We talk about music and fame and relationships and kids and cancer G gettingting older and how to survive in an industry designed to drive people nuts She's amazing. I love her. smart, funny, honest, everything you'd want. and exactly why this was such a good episode and a conversation. And if you haven't already subscribed to Club random wherever you get your podcast, do so and watch full episodes on YouTube New episodes every Monday, with club random classics every third Thursday Nice. I didn't expect this For you Well,s it's not a suit. I know, but you know. But I did that for you I'm veryress. I wear my rock teetf. Also full disclosure because it's kind of cold in here So I' like, oh, I can but no are you kidding You know, the coolest bookking we ever had donon't ever say that to the other guests. Although, you know what? Every other guest I've ever had and we've had some of the coolest people ever he. They would still agree with that No one would say, no, that's not the coolest booking really? I don't know. Well, I'm such a fan. know you knowar that you are getting ready to Kid Rock at the Rymens And you see that That's it. I compare my dog to Kid Rock because he barks at nothing. So my friend m That is hilarious. that my dog has one eye. That is my dog with the kids isn't that What about your dogs? Are these they're bs over here No, that's because this is a hippie unc. Yeah Do you remember this joke politically incorrectly Oh yeah, cool. yeah, yeah cool. So I was thinking BeCcauseuse I watched your documentary. You don't want to kill yourself afterwards. Why No, it brought me to tears the ending I thought when it was like like twenty minutes to the end, like then we meet your kids. like, I'm not a kid person. So I was like, o. You're like, Yeah it mo the kid. the kid. But it was okay. you did it well. and then moved on and the ending at was it Bernaro Ba what Bonu. Boneru. I mean what a great ending for a documentary, which is I did one, you know, you're always looking for an ending And, um that, you know, you think you get out there Nsobbody there, a half hour And you're like, Oh, I'm a leegacy act now, you know, and the kids are over me. And then it's this in a half hour, the seea of people You said you were looking at your band like Can you guys believe? I know, literally. It's like they let us out of the old folkss home and look, they've let all the kids come out to the parking lot. Yeah, but you know. You I can't believe you ever thought you were ever out of style It's weird. I mean, you know, you've been around for a long time. I don't know if you feel this way, but now listen, and I've said this a thousand times My thirteen year old when he was nine, he was like, mom I know you were born in the eighteen seventies. You do get to the point where you feel like, God, I'm aging out of this business, you know Well, you I did wear my leather pants specifically. They look for club random. You look the same. You look great. You look You always did You know, you're a rock jick. so You know I mean, you were you were born to be one. Oh my God, thank you. Really? don't you think I mean, not just the Great music, but also you had the look And you also had the what it takes to like You know, I'm sure I saw in the documentary the The harassment. whichich is not surpris L I've had girlfriends in this business. One of them said to me and she' qu she's quite successful She said, never I've never met a man in this industry who didn't try to have sex with Well, yeah, that yeah Uh yeah Yeah, I mean, it's do you what names or do you No know but doesn't that just sum it up? It is it is a It given. I mean, it's a weird business, you know, I was not I will say not I was older when I made it I like really made it. I had already been a school teacher. had lots of jobs Had I been young like they are now There's no way If what? If If I'd been young like these kids are now that are coming up and becoming huge Olivia Rodrigueo who'sight twenty nineteen and Taylor, who made it. Billy Elish. Billy There's no way. I would not be able to to deal with that Well, and you see that they sometimes fumble their way through it. I mean, they actually do better than you might expect, except that those kids that generation They're so used to, I mean, everyone is sort of famous now. They're so used to You know, I mean, if anybody was ever prescient, it was Andy Warhol with everyveryone's going to be famous for fifteen minutes. Yeah. So I don't I don't think it's that big dive and splash into the pool that it would be Yeah for people in our generation because they kind of like were're always like social media and It just got bigger. Yeah And also you You as the artist manipulate it, like you You create your brand, you advertise yourself, you sell yourself. and then the music is just a byproduct of that. you're selling yourself so that you can sell tickets and get advertisers and just That was not That was never part of the way I came up, you know, there just was none of that. In fact, until Bob Dylan did the Victoria Secret ad Nobody did advertisements or took money for anything except for playing music and selling records So it's a different thing. But the main difference is that You can't make money. You can make not How insane is that? It makes me sad. A very serious relationship with someone who I say was quite success is quite successful. Um The money, I remember I had, I think it was kind of at the behest of her at the time. I did someone at the top interview of my show you know, just get this aloe black the artist And u talking about just this issue of like Was it Ferrell, I think, had one year had like The biggest song of the year and he made like twelve thousand dollars. I know. You know I mean, Spotify would they pay what a millionth of a cent for I mean, it's just there's no so mad. There's no connection to like, oh, I go to the record shop And I got to choose I remember once I was standing in Tower reccords and I was looking at like I don't know, but some stranger. Don't usually talk to me. justust said, u G to Dylan I was looking at like two albums and one was like the big this is like nineteen eighty five. I miss that. I miss. We went to the bookstore this morning or this afternoon My manager and I walked from the hotel to the bookstore on Snset. Now That bookstore I used to live right down the street from there. and I so many memories from that bookstore on Senset. and right my book books. Yes, right across from. What used to be T. whereere I played in the parking lot When I was first you playedally sign. Oh, it was big too. Big deal for me to play I mean, there was probably thirty people there. and I was like, oh my God. What was the event though? It was my record release Oh I see. so they did it at the records. It was like a book signing. Yeah. And thirty people should there's probably thirty or forty people there. That's great that you have that. I mean, it's great like for these kids now, it's like, I don't know. I mean, yes, I was born in the eighteen seventies. what can I say I hate it because For me When you sold records, you knew you had your people. They're people They were like into what you're doing. how does it even work now? you know? We just went on TikTok, which I will say I called TikTk and my year old was like Oh God. ye. Mom. Yeah. No. Really President Biden Literally, literally, yes They're like that's so cringy, momom But we, like they can do and know things about that phone and that device and that way of life that we don't even know about. We're like a submarine where we lost our sonar 're we're flying blind. And so I mean this I've read this many times. It's a common story that the parents somethingomet happed usually it's something tragic like a suicide and the parents are like Oh my God, we had we had no idea and You know, and then they said, we tryed to look we or they' go we look through the phone. Yeah, they not they have ways to you you are so you are so basic on this fake snapchat fake Instagrams. The good thing is I have a young So the young woman that I hired to go on the road with me with my kids when they were really little is now my assistant And wow. She does all my social media. She's fantastic. And she's like my She's like my investigator Bea I don't how to work anything. and I don't really want to know how to work anything I really don't want to know. I'm just like I don't want to know I like to read books. I like to listen to books, you know Someday I'm gonna do a show called My Five Wives I thought of this Have you had no wes? No, I've had no wivise. And the reason why I don't haven't needed any is because I have five different when my assistant I know. I'm honestly like, who needs a husband? I have a great assistant.en My great friend who made this this next door, hes goes on the road with me And, you know, he does all the macho stuff. He's like I have five wives and a husband. You know, like I can't fix shit He fixes all the shit, you know, because something's always broken. Yeah. That's a great record. They you know how you could tell I'm such a fanny, not only of your music, but like we have the same taste Some of the songs you pick to cover are like not obvious ones. like beware of darkness I love that and everything is broken I'm I don't I'm not someone who listens to everything How they even know that song. Well that's what I'm saying. Yeah. You picked songs. Oh, another one, sign My name Oh yeah. One hit wonder. I remember that right? was Yeah Trarb. Yeah. ye. great whole record That record was great. Yes. and that was the single, I think. Yeah, it was. That's huge. But that you know, that was a cover that I'm sure most people did not know was a cover. Yeah Well, that's Th those are all ones that are in my H I know I hear that you still use an iPod and I love you for it. There I said it. So much better. I mean, I can first of all, I can edit on it. You can edit on it. Yes, you can cut off the beginning in the end. You can make Really? Yes See we don't even know how to work an iPod You were around for the vs. I was, but I't know you can edit on it onn your computer because you do everything on the computer and then you sync it to the computer. R. Okay, you down you download it. R. So I love that. I mean, I'm anal So I like to I can see exactly the song and I don't streaming with this. You might like I might not I want my music. okay? I like I download records, listen to them the ones I love Yeah Discard the rest. There's nothing, there's no waste in there. When I put it on shuffle It's my four thousand favorite songs from going back to nineteen sixty eight. Now how do you get turned on a new songs Anyway, you know, like you can hear it. I could see a, you know, I'm like, So you would hear it and you go on your computer and download it from like Apple Music or do you? No, no, no. Yes. I to. I pay for it. Okay. If I like it record. I put Pandora. Okay Pandora Yes, Pandora which It's stupid. I love you, Pandora, but You are dumb You can't do what I can do with playlists. You can only like play songs from like the same era. They don't rhythm. They don't really have right I can put a playlist together from like many different decades, but they all have the same vibe Pandora, you can't do that. But you're dear to me anyway. Anyway,. so I'll like put a station, you know, you pick a song you like. Okay, let's hear the whole station, songs that are like that. Okay. That's how I often do. And then you just hit thumbs up And then you have a list of new stuff and you like usually if I like the song, I'll say, okay I'm gonna buy because I buy You are committed. Yes. You are committed. Well, at first of all, I think artists should what they have coming, I'm telling you, I know this intimately and I do too. Okay, so I'm going to do my part So I buy the album. You can still do that. Emilyu Har says, that's your way voting Exactly And then, you know Sink the eye syink the eye by usually by Three albums like at a time. So so then Let'sen to those three and I'll sync the iPod and then I'll listen, you know, listen. Look, I know you have a new one They sent it to me two days ago. First of all, I just don't have time. Second of all I want to buy this the way I bought every one of your albums and I bought them. all good No Yeah All of them. Well,'s good stuff on all of them. Okay, thank you. So I take out the ones I like, but your Cheryl Cro playlist is just fantastic. I mean just it's just one after another great one Thank. So All your hits are like. Thank you. I also love I don't even know what was a single at my age. You know, like was Abine Abeline, wasas that a single? That was not a single. Okay, that's a great one I don't even know what it's about And I love it., thank you. My favorite record, not my favorite record, but the favorite record I've made in a long time. The funnest record I've made was a record called Be Myself No, I haven't, of course. I ain't got all I mean, literally that a roller skate? Is that that one? Yes. Oh Lifestyle? Yes. Oh. Oh my go God. I can't always on my side. Is that that same record? That one was on. That is a I can't remember what's what record that was on. Okay, that one I hate to say this Nothing makes me cry But not in life. I'm not a cryer, but movies can easily, I don't know why I like You don't cry Not really over things in life. that's hard, but What do you cry over Really, almost any movie that knows how to like hit that thing. I'm a really easy. Okay, the holdovers. I cried at the end of that It was the one with what's his name? about the school. U the prep school boy who gets left for Christmas. what's the guy's name that plays him Anyway, check it out. I cried at the end of it. It was so weird. Yeah, it's very easy to do that to me. and but musically much less so. And I don't even know why that song Oh, I guess I do It's just beautiful. and it just And were really moves me to tears and very few songs You know what song? Which song was it Always on my side. Always on my side. Oh, thank you. And the staying version bothoth I have them both one after another You're good Yeah, no, he's that's a great duet. You know what's I' something crazy about that U shot the video for that fourour days after I was diagnosed of breast cancer And Mm I was supposed to present at The Grammys with Lance And we had split few days before that. Oh God. And Staying went with me to the Grammy. Rough week, huh? It was surreal, but Staying was like literally like Night and shhining Armor. He's like, I'll present with you. and he was like literally, I look at the artwork from that from that song and he's like got his arms around me. I look like a freaking deer in headlights. But you just you are the And that song, you know. You are the Um, Teacher's pet for like every great Mail Rock star over like thirty years. I mean, spanning the whole thing. I mean Prince loved you. Adamon. Mick Jagger And Dylan And you know, all these different everybody Michael Jackson That's great. I don't really know if he even knew I was. Like I rid into him at the Grammys after I tred with him for eighteen months and I was just like, Hey, use the hello. And I was like, I didn't think you know is doing You weren't his type, grown I mean, I don't know Oh, I think we know. Yeah. L, I'm very try to be very non judgmental. But I mean, when Oprah Threw her lot in with the accusers I was like, well, first of all, I believe the accusers, right? I mean you can just tell. It's not that hard sometimes to tell when people are lying I just don't think there was enough in it and for these guys to, you know, there's always some money or some fame or something. but you know, it's really hard to go forward even like that even in the beginning it's an icky thing but But on stage, he certainly looked like he to say he was insane. You know, he's one of those people. Well, I would say in all the years of my being on the road and working with different artists, And I've been really lucky I was new then, didn't have a record deal It's the first time I ever started thinking about why some people can manipulate sixty thousand people U rightight physically, like Like Carlos Carlos Santanas s you change the molecules. I mean. And there's tootal divinity in that. If you believe in God or you don't It's an energy thing. I call it divinity because it is divine and it is not explicable But then there was this whole other thing, this damage and how a person can hold all of that I can see why he I always said he won't live very long becausecause you can't be able to have that incredible energy energetic power and be that damaged and have that inform who you are and yourre living everyday, normal life it just was insane to watch because hed go out and do theseese moves and sing these songs and you were just like Transpor, like you're watching something that had never been done before. s just incredible. I mean, I will never forget feeling how I felt watching him from backstage. Did not see that But I did see the movie they put out posthumously where he's doing rehearsals for the tour that never happened. Right. You saw it You did not see it. I't You haven't se You don't want it. Okay, well, I'll try to make this brief especially you're not triggered. You know, I mean, this is near the end. He's about to go remember was it the zero two in London? He was going to do Yeah this was the manager, the promoter who who signed him for what was it a hundred shows thinking Michael Jackson was going to make it through he made it through one It was going to be a victory that He was like Aaron Rogers Not since the guy who turned down the Beatles yes. Was there a worse decision than Okay. anyyway, so he's rehearsing and you know, it's intermittently with Dr. Conrad. Murray currently now my personal doctor. Is he really? No. my God. Y. I'm like, wow. Yes. doctor Conrad Murray, doctor Eugene Landy who treated Brian Wilson. Yes, no I know. And doctor Benny Boombach. That's my team. No wonder you look so good. Thank you. I owe it all to clean liquor. so Oh wait aboutout the show, you watch the documentary? Oh yeah. so you know, a lot of it is u and But there was still moments where in rehearsal, He would be the old Michael Jackson. 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Stay cool and save up to forty five percent off custom window treatments during the fourourth of July VIP access sale at blinds. com From outdoor shades to room darkening blinds, finding the perfect fit is easy. Get free samples, expert design help, and professional measure and install services, or DIY it with confidence and support every step of the way Shop up to forty five percent off sitewide right now during the fourourth of July VIP access sale at blinds. com And then it was just Only a flicker and then once in a while it would shoot up for a moment. Yeah. That was never gonna get through a hundred shows. Never. I even a healthy person at thought. I mean probably like forty Or I don't know how old he was at the time. mayaybe close No closer to fifty. fifty. Yeah hundred I mean And no knows You know, a noseeless skeleton. That makes perform a hundred jokes. Makes it tricky hard to like I say I mean, you said he's insane. Yes, there is a form of insanity. I think It's like insane in a good way But also a conflicted way, a very conflicted way, you know? No, I don't think really a great way I think show business at that level. I mean, the thing you were just talking about were The magic, the Carlos Santana thing, that energy, the divinity, whatever you want to call it That thing is so powerful. that the person who is reflecting that ray off them back to the audience Um, that Ray is is, uh is transforming their mind. I mean, we see it now with Kanye West You just s with lots of people It's just like you're a normal person and then They can't handle this level of adulation and you can have anything you want. That's what warps their brain. And you're allowed to pig out on whatever you want drg I mean, it's like it's like you know, young athletes who become huge and get these massive salaries and then wind up, you know having having to claim bankruptcy. I mean, it's all too much. I think the I don't know. I think money is Money is man. It's not the money so much. It's poweroney the ego and adoration and That's what it is. The fame and It's no one ever saying anything but yes. and can I get you more Yeah Can I get you a better drug? Yes. Can I get you more pussy And I get you Whver dispensable, like your like whoever is serving you is also Hly disispensible so that person and having been around artists that people that are the yes, people that arere terrified of getting replaced So it's a vicious cycle, you know. Yeah. I mean I can't imagine doing it as a woman. It's not rock and' roll It just in general, that lifestyle It's not really It doesn't jibe with maybe modern women when we're all trans and we're all non binary and we make no assumptions at birth. But like old school women of which you are one and I love you for it. Let's like women classic Yes, I'm a classic woman. Yes. I'm a what's what's the term? something about a child bearing? Yeah, good child bearing, you know, it has something to A a menstruating person or whatever. A menstuating person is what we now have to because we don't want to offend pregnant men or something. Yeah know I don'. That's the kind of shit that drives me up. Yeah crazy. And it doesn't really work if you've gone through menopause and then it's just it's too complicated, Bill. It's just too complicated. Well, you know, there's nothing wrong teaching U that there is a default setting to certain things And also We completely accept and respect when something is not the default setting. It's like most people are right handed That's the default setting They used to actually discriminate against left handed people. They thought it was like a sign of the devil or some shit. Really But we got over. I'm thinking of the left handed people that I know. Is' not kidding Well, first of all, I know you don't have to do this. I can't tell you how appreciative I am. how much flattering it I wanted to come do it. I know. I know that's why you're here. That's why I'm And I love your show. I love. They thoughtought provoking and how truth telling and how conversation is you know, it is interesting, talking about Bobby You know, I've known Kid Rock for a lot of years. And he and I are picture. We're a great What record. Speaking of picture. I think we're a great illustration of two people who are very on very different sides Politically Of course. And we've had some we've had some M And hard conversations like after the shooting in Nashville. R I called him and said, I need to understand. What is happening? You know, I reached out to a lot of different country artists and got nowhere And he said, I want to come over and talk to you about it. And we sat and we talked about it and talked about His grandkids actually go to school where my kids go. and or's granddaughter can sit And talk about hard stuff. This is my life compromise and my quest to follow that song. I wish to No matter how hopeless. No matter how long. Yes, that's what I'm always trying to do. Well, I appreciate. Yeah. And I love When this came up, I was like, yees, you know the people fucking hate the most. now. If you ask me, who do I think is the biggest threat to this country? it's not even close. It is the right wing They don't believe in democracy anymore or the environment. No it's scary. Yeah. It's very scary. Donald Trump still exists. He's still out there. We need a bigger boat, blah, blah, blah Like who viscerally makes me want to punch them in the fucking face? Okay. The kind of people who If you were someone who would after doing picture with Kid Rock wouldn't talk to him because he voted for Trump. I'd hate you. Yeah. That's the kind of person I fucking hate. Okay, so I grew up with conservative and a liberal And when I turned eighteen, my dad and my mom secretly or like, who are you to vote for? 'causeuse they would always cancel each other out their votes And it was always a thing. I mean, in our household, there were Heated conversations. about what was going on politically. We had the Nightly newews And that was it. Nightly news and then eleven o'clock news which nobody ever watched So it wasn't like now, but people talked about shit, you know, and disagreed about it. And that's my only thing. I'm like, we got to get What's happening now is terrif. Yeah I keep saying it. you can hate Trump. You can't hate everyone who likes him. It's half the country. You can't at least vote for him. As much as I would never do that and nobody's been harder on him I get it I get an idea where different people are coming from. They didn't grow up like you, they don't think like you. and you can't make them and you shouldn't try.. Let's you know, let's compleomplete the circle and have our differences be our strength. That kind of stuff that they're always talking about. But it's true. I don't want to live in a country withithout the Red States. I like going to the Red States There's something about that being there that I don't get Yeah here a bad fucking attitude. You know. Yeah. J just Not as judgy Sorry, I'm going in for a second They told me there was free beer on this podcast, so I'm like, Ohh yeah, all. I gotta say beer comes up in your songs a lot. I amm a beer dramer. Oh I can tell. Now let me just tell you my wilder years were a little later, right? My wilder years were a little later now pulled back to just Just the occasional, you know, beer. But have you ever counted how many songs of yours beer in the lyrics Am can I tell you, I just really hope you have that endorsement When didd you think when he shot the budlight Did' you call them, then I'm going to be honest with you. And I don't know if you'll see this or not That's why I called him and said, I need to understand where the hell you're coming from and we've just had And I said, what Is it is it Budwiser or is it the trans Dylan Because neither one of those have anything to do with how much money you make or your freedom. He knows that. Yes, he did. I said, I need to understand, and he's like, I'm gonna come over. and I love him for Absolutely For that. Look. I mean, I don't that's not the only reason I love him. but we are like family. L he told me when my boys came along. Good. anythingything ever happens, I'm there for kids So and he came over and what before he left We hugged and told each other we loved each other Yes. We hammered it out. Yes, you know. I mean, I had Anne Coulter on the show a couple of weeks ago. Okay. And I had't on a run for a while, but I mean, I've been friends with her since nineteen ninety four or something. And no one's gonna make me not be friends with her. She's a fun chick to hang out with. And we don't talk politics if we're not on the show because I know where she is and she knows where I am Tell me who my friends can be. Yeah. Really obnoxious. Yeah. That's the kind of shit I hate. I will say one thing. Talk to them. Maybe you'll find something you don't know. That is exactly right And for me, I'm a I'm a research junkie Like I need to understand like whatever's happening in the world, I need to go back and find out what the history of it is. becausecause more than likely, what we know about it is not really the reality One of the things I'm learning is that People have big platforms that You do outlandish things in order to whip up your base. I mean, it's what politicians do. it's what people And that is so ego driven. Okay, that's fine. We all know that all of us have big egos So and Kid Rock is not exempt from that It's fun to whip it up and see what happens. You know what I mean? And so and that's sort of what he said, he's like, a, it wasn't me, you know,' wasn't this, I wasn't that, you know? showman. It's all that's what it is. But my thing is, I want to make sure that all the people out there that jump on the hate bandwagon And it becomes dangerous, like we hate Dylan, whoever and we hate Budwiser and all that Y'all are being played Y'all are being whipped into This us against them, this is we're in this group of people that hate this and that. Yeah That's the part I have the problem with. I don't like. What I see on the news is a lot of college kids saying things to people who support Israel like you're Nazi scum. I mean, who have Everything's so ass backwards A That's when I need a joint, but I will never light one up But can I hold one Yes, you can. If I wasn't sing moreore, I'd say like that bad boy up there right now. No, I know. I've never not, but like for you, first of all, I would do I would do this on standing. I would do this standing on my head. But it isn' a little like running a marathon for the first. I'm saying, I know it's got to be hard. It's difficult. First, you're wearing a suitacket and now you're not smoking and I just feel better now. I tell you much, I appreciate that. You know I appreciate that. I feel better now I'm almost like George Burns with a cigar. I remember George Burns? No, yeah. He always had a fucking cigar and Yeah my A the stage of show business I'm at, I need the prop cigar. Oh God, overhe with his I Your boy Willie Nelson signed that. Oh, love that man Yes. I another one. everyverybody Like adopted you. Ebody wanted to Get a little of your I've been shine Listen. I'm blessed beyond. I don't even know what to say. I'm just blessed. I know that sounds. D Benley. Lo D. She was in the news yesterday What was done in the news? Okay, I read The New York Times in the morning And then I just want to know that the world hasn't blown up, although it is blowing up I can't even go near it now. It's so Oh, I toxic But what's going on? He's suing. Well, he's suwing Somebody That lyrics. Lyrics. Yeah. Thatad already Nebook came out that he It has all their notes when they were doing their stuff H and Glen and. Um And they lost he lost, right? Didn't I see that I think I looked at the news last night after he landed. Probably. I mean, it's I think he didn't get it back. Yeah. Yes. But it said the eagles that said that's their last tour, I guess that they're on. That's reallyally You're right because they even had to call they even had to call their most recent incarnation, The Hell freezers Obertur He had said in nineteen eighty, we'll get back together When hell freezes that. He's typical of their cheeky humor. They were. I love those guys. And that's one of the greatest bands and sounds of all s. Yeah. And by the way sixty minutes, I saw you your documentary opens that you're with Whoever Steve Croft or Oh yes. someomebody Y. And I did it once. Joyful experience, isn't it sixty minutes But I didn't even know what a joyful experience was back then Oh, I know we were th I was thrilled to be on it. I was like thrilled to be on it again. Yeah. Nice to meet, mr. Crl. It's exactly I mean in sixteen minutes, but they had the Eagles once And they were putting a remember they put out an album, very good album in two thousand seven. They hadn't put out one in twenty eight years. And they put out one called Long Road to Eden Yes, I do remember that. And it's really good. It's a double album. Yes, I do remember. So they were promoting that and Steve Crof, whoever says to Glenn Frery like, well, you know, sixty minutes And what do you attribute to the success of the And he just We just name the song titles And I thought it was the most eloquent answer and you could do the same thing You just have to give your song titles. If somebody ever says, what is your psychologically, How did you manipulate? Well should because really all I want to do is have some fun. But you know what? if it makes you happy, I can't be that bad. But sometimes a change would do you good Yeah. I mean, that's really A the end of the day to me, and that's again why I love the iPod because I can just' I can know exactly how great an artist is, just. one after another. And you can do that. you know, there are look in this your business, if you have one hit, you can work forever. Somewhere. I have to some story though. I But if to do a whole show. of hits. Yeah. that's you're that kind of act. And that's why they'll always come out So I wound up on a gig with Lina Richie and Billy Joel in Atlanta. And which was I have to say really, really fun. was I was the first one on and in the backstage area I come back and Lion's like, Cheryl, come in here. and he pulls me into Billy's dressing room. He's like The three of us, we have hits. We've gott to go on a world tour. We gott to take this damn world tour. Hits all night long. just nothing but hits. And then he turns around at me. It was like Borschbelt. Cheryl, you know when you play new songs? I was like No, never, you never blam He's like, they don't want to hear new songs. They just want to hear the hits And now every time I play, I'm like, u B been told never play new songs, but I love play any new song and now I have a new record. so it's like, I guess I never play new songs. but Well, but it won't be you sneak one in here or, you know, you sneak them in. I know how they do it. Yeah. And then they go to the bathroom while you're playing it or hopefully buy a t shirt You know In five years, that record will be there will be songs from that record that will be feathered in and they'll probably like those you know, too, you know. I mean sort of aged out of having, you know hits so Well, and who knows even what makes a hit? Yeah. I get I get what you're saying. Yeah, it's hard to I remember McCartney put out a really great album and nineteen eighty nine Flowers in the dirt. I love that record And I thought it was like it was he did it with Elvis Castello. Yes, It was like one of the It could have stood as a beatle record. Yeah.. It was that good Yeah That beatlesque sound And of course, he was forty seven at the time. so it just You know That generation is just going to say I'm sorry. You had your moment. I don't care how good it is You know, I know dispassionately. Try being sixty two And a woman, you know. Right. So Although I mean, it is fun. Wow. I would not I I wouldn't stop making records. I don't know about albums. I did't make this an album because I had so many songs. U It's weird to put music out and know that a song is going to turn up maybe on a playlist with like ice bice. I mean, it's just it's so antithetical. You know what I'm saying? Like you're on newew music Friday and you're like be locked between If you're lucky, But you go to football games now, right? Actually, yes, I was at a bog ging with her. Really? Yes. About twenty secondions away But wasn't she at the Super Bowl with Sith? Yeah Boy if Taylor Swift thinks that she invented the breakup song Oh, I said this to somebody recently. First of all, she's got to listen to you're so vain, Carlly Simon, that kind of like There's not a better one than that. Well, there's not a better one but Alone in the Dark by Cheryl Crow. Oh my God Was that a single? I love I' know. No really. Oh. That's a real shiv in the. like an earpiece What think old I can herear. Alone in the dark. No, no. You're so I can't believe you know all these like deep con. Well, anybody who works here I'm a very big music fan Um, So I just I know what I know. Now do I know could I name every song on every album? No, but I have suff from every album. Yeah. I have the ones that I really door, Steve McQueen Which one is that? Is that that was a sing? That that was a single. Yeahah, that was on the I like the fourth rec. That's in the that's in the the tradition of the U Cool chick. It cool to get tied down genre. Oh yeah. Which is so sexy. Oh my God. I like this free video. I got on my do bike. I mean God. Oh really? See, I don't remember the video. Oh yeah. In fact, I was hanging out with Dale Earnhartt in that video 're getting that Right Right. C Steve McQueen, well, I need is a fast machine, right? Yeah. But do you remember the Stone Ponies Linda Ronstad? Yeah, of course. Doing different drum? Yes, of course. Yeah. Do you remember that song? Yeah. That's that same travel to a different drum. C you see the way I run every tell you make eyes at me. Don't get me wrong It's not that I knock it It's just that I'm not in the market, what a great rhyme ock Someone who wants to love just only me. Yeah. I ain't saying you ain't pretty. All I'm saying is I'm not ready For any person, place or thing that tries to put the reins in on me Bitch Damn. So that kind of song, I think is we should dow a whole like album of just those I could free bird get off m You don't know me like getet up off and meet songs You know, I've had this This long standing intntroduction to strrong enough to be my man. That how I never got married I got engaged three times. What you did? Still have all my money to Lance Arstrong? I was. You know, we sat right there a few months ago? I actually caught the very beginning of that.. And I saw Bobby Kitt. I've seen actually quite a few of them. Wow, what an intense guy Izzy Lance Arm. Yeah, I would know better than you. I don't know him now in this incarnation because he's Wasn't he then? He was then because He was racing then and you I know, but like he was intense. Just to pick that as a profession riding a bike It Well, you got intense. I will say my sixteen year old is on a bass fishing team, which I didn't know was actually a sport. So when I met Lance, I was like, bike riding. That's a sport. It's not. So yeah, I didn't realize Bass fishing is not a sport. either was running around the block They may be in We're to have to. disispute that with you just As long as I know my kid might be watching this. It is a sport The damn bast boat costs seventy grand, okay? It's not like buying a baseball bat, okay Baseball bet's three hundred fifty, honey Oh my God. But so But you still drink beer You still drink beer? I do. did What drugs did you do back in the day? That's what I'm saying. 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U justust did a guided mushroom tour recently or got a medroom journey. which I don't call that I call it a tour. It was a tour through my very E up brain, if you know what I'm saying What do you mean? What are we talking about? Have you heard a guided psilocybin? Oh, cool. Yeah. Guided though. Yeah. D Johns Hopkins. Oh Bugie. Guided fucking drug drive. I know the c is you can do mushrooms. I'm like. But what do you mean guided So you do you do it. Well you've done Russian before no? Yes, but not like Dinal like u full powered U You mean it was a two and a half hour or three hour. um, where they give you some and then you take more And you do it with like a playlist. We're not talking about Hayahuasca here, We're talking about mushrooms. No, Because mushrooms I've done many times. So And you know, yeah, it's a trip. Yeah. I mean So what does the guide do? The guide is on your left, they say, if you look to the cerebellum Try not to look over to the U I think more than anything, what they What they do is make sure that you're not, if you're not a person who like does recreational drugs It's more from a scientific standpoint for people who struggle with manage depression or depression or Whatever it is. Right. And I think it's very helpful It was I mean L. It was helpful. LSD started out as that? So Timothy Larry got a hold of it You know, that that chair over there is his chair. Seriously? Did you did you watch or did you ever listen to the Michael Pollen stuff. Yeah. the food guy. So interesting. Yes. Right. No, no, yeah, but he did. Yeah, Yes, yes U And then what fantastic fun fantastic fungi or fungi? that documentary? Well, don't get me started on fungus. No seriously. Really? Yeah. I mean, I'm a big believer that Um somethinghing that we don't pay kind of attention to should. I think Western medicine sees everything as bacterial. and they misdiagnose stuff and fungus is I think responsible for stuff Even the CDC a few years ago finally said, if you don't know what something is, look to fungus.. And that was like many years late So like I said, don't get me started. I think because' a whole different podcast. I mean it was a whole different For those who want to look with you. so with you. this Yeah, man. I want to be in the fungus club Fgus. When HBO did that show Just they did some head of shows, a huge hit. What was it? It was called How to change your mind? Last of us? I think. And it was about the villain in it was funus. I said finally, somebody's getting on the fungus thing because The villain. like not Well the villain in the centice. Well this whatever was taking over people and turning them into zombies. everything has to have to eith either a zomie or Dracular. This is TV But the thing that was behind it was fungus. I was like, yes, that's much more likely than, you know, Yeah. so many cancers are diagnosed as cancer when they're fungal. My dog case in bl. Well, U Do you know when they want to what they do, when they want to give mice cancer In the lab. They saute the mushrooms and Basically, Really They give them mycotoxins. that's that's a that's a t, you know, Yeah Fungus toxin Penicillin antibiotics H sometometimes or often wereeren't they derived from the fungus of Mldy Bad? Yeah, Mldy Bad. Okay, so the connection I'm not saying I know the connection, but I've certainly read about the subject and people have other theories and it looks like I think there is quite a connection between cancer and fungal infection and you know. But the crazy thing about it is is that when they do studies about like forestry how fungus or mushrooms create their own Yes. The way they can actually go in and save some trees by creating their own antibiotics. I mean, I think there's so many amazing possibilities not just humans, but also for the planet. I mean, at this moment when we're sleep at the wheel, nobody seems to give a shit. planet because we're too worried about making sure I mean, drives me crazy we're turning a blank eye to this or a blond eye. But anyway The fact that mushrooms could be a huge answer to what's happening pres or a huge problem I mean, they can kill us. I mean, you don't want to breathe in mold No, not mold. Yeah. Well, but I mean, fungus is really strong Almost every plant in nature is antif funungal because it needs to be. These plants don't have legs. they can't run away O where they can repel it Take a lemon the most anntifungal things. It's pure citrus. Right, right. You leave it on the counter long enough What does it look like Yeah, has mold all over it. Yeah. fungus a marble countertop. Fungus is unrelenting I'm a haawk on fungus Fungus is unrelenting the name of our new podcast Extremism and the fight against fungus is no vice. And moderation is no virtue. I'm a one issue candidate. I'm a haawk on fungus And I'm going to attack anyone who's to my left on this issue, but it is true. I mean fungus you should you know, people should think about fungus more like sinal infections. I don't want to get. But I will say for people who have struggled with depression U peopleeople who have, you know, mental challenges that the studies they've done. And Johns Hopkins for years. it was shut down. They saw great outcomes for people with PTSD, you know, I think at least people are starting to get back to the place where they can look at some of these natural holistic yeah, as being at least worth, you know legalizing. Oh yeah. I mean, I don't think the amount of mushrooms Chuck for psychological reasons. would be the kind that would be bad for you. And by the way, you if you don't have a fungal infection, it's not You can eat mushrooms and you know, your body has in it fungus that is natural that you need some good bacteria, some bad bacteria, and some fungus. It's when you get the proportions out of whack. Antibiotics kill the good bacteria which fight with the fungus for food That's how we kill bac But unfortunately when they kill the bad bacteria, they kill the good bacteria Eactly. and then the fungus proliferates. Anybody who's had antibiotics probably has some level of a fungal infection A absolutely right And fungus live on one thing Sugar So you always feed them when you're eating the kind of things that are in the American diet, syrups sugar and carbohydrates kind of stuff feeds when you're hungry like that, it's the Fungus calling out for food. Yeah. I told you not to get me started. I I did it. I know you knew so much about mushrooms. Fungus. No one told me. Fungus. I'm telling you, we could owntit a sur a three hour podcast, okay. Only about fungus. Only about fungus. And every week but only about fun. It's like those stores that say like only lamps, you know going Excuse me If you have shades, I'm sure that happens once a day and the guy goes Lamps. What do I have to fucking put in the title? It says only lamps. Wh do I have to tune? Not lazy boys But u, No, I mean You could do a you know, morning talk show, if that's something you could be on the view. What do you think about that? Cheryl, No and no. Come on. Unequivocentally Andkay. The writings would be through the roof. I swear to God. firstirst of all, you're from Missouri? Here's my thing. I don't really like people, No. I'm from Missouri, yes. Okay So like you have that accent You know, you still accent? Yeah, you still yeah, you still sound country Well, I live in Nashville now but it's also in your I don't know what you're talking about. No, I'm kidding. That's good because everything is tilted Tward the coastal elites and their people and they like the entire coast has moved to Nashville That's true too. Yes, it is. U We'll see how that plays out in politics. You know, most of LA lives in Nashville now Well, Natale in Austin seem to be the kind of places. and I get it Um to a degree in Miami, but Miami's too crazy. Yeah. but like places where people want to go where No, I don't want to live in the sticks with a bunch of hicks, but I also don't want to live u, you know, at the park in Beverly Hills where you can't throw a frisbee Yeah, because of that kind of asshole. Is there a place in America where I can get away from those extremes That's whereere I can work from home. Yeah, where I can like and I can buy a really nice house for about a tenth of the price and the money and have a giant yard Yeah, no, we're also I'm sure, you know, Nashville iss not a hic town. It's where all the musicians are It's like a little, I would say it's This place It's a I can't say it's like Austin where it's like a blue oasis. I mean I think it's It's by the bluest in all of Tennessee. It doesn't need to be? No. I'm just Hving a place where we can get a nice dinner You can get a nice dinner, You can You can see Kings of Leon or you can go see Vince Gil, you know. Yeah. I mean Jack White. Right. It doesn't have the metropolitan Museum of Art, but I never went there anyway. Who goes to those places? Eggheads. That's who. I mean, everybody in New York is always like the museums how do you go to a museum Once a year. Well, I mean, I was never a culture vulture. I mean, I like cultureure Culture vulture. I like that. Yeah See, that's the thingim It's culture virtual. You always looking Unique New York, unique New York, uniqueew York U, sorry, I kids ' what we do. But like, are you always doing that like you like a blue jay was always finding little scraps, you know, blue jays for the nest because, you know, oh, this could go this is a could go in a song, this could be a title. Oh You mean like am I collecting constantly? We should be. Like Fodder, like, areren't you? Oh my Godd I used to when I would be making a record or getting ready to make a record. Like we have a record out, we have success tour, I come home I'd start writing and it would be like am I writing about? you know, lots of frantic, like checking what have I what notes have I written? Now My kids leave for school I got to my screening porch, notepad, guitar Catity And I write my freaking brains out. Really There's so much to write about right now tea you know, literally a cup of tea or literally coffee in the morning. Yeah. But I'm talking about six thirty in the morning. Do I get done a lot done on Thurssday. Yeah. I really. value your time, like because it's only once a day. Me too. You know? I have three cups of coffee in the morning. Yeah, right. You can't. How about once a day first thing and then by the time you sleep, it don't talk to me until I've had my coffee. My kids know it. they're like,'t And they abide by it ye. Yes. In fact, my thirteen year old is exact same way. We're just like So it would you and the kids in a house outside of Nashville Yeah, we're kind of yeah, we're I can't we're not in downtown Nashville. We're in Nashville. And then you have a studio I'm guessing in your house, of course. Over the barn. over the barn. Yeah It's idealic. It's come. It lives like me. me. Yeah And you can you like you have like a fireman's poe you can go right down into the barn when you want when you No. That's a strip for me. Yeah no, I know. I recognize it. It was kid Rcks out. It was here when I bought the house. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's necessary for wiring. Oh Yes. No, I don't have farmsone. Actually, I don't even go down there unless I'm like going record and I didn't I didn't do any recording on this record. I sent it to my friend and said These are my mini screenplays And I want you to Martin score Sisy shit out of them And it was the most glorious experience I've ever had.t Okay, so I usually produce myself and I usually am like from the beginning to to the end and playing and writing And this bunch of songs becausecause you know the last record I put out, I said, I'm not making records anymore No more alum.. Was that it? Noope, it was threads. It was like with everybody. Yes. withith lots of people. Again, you p these songs that are like U man I'll tell you what, the song though with Johnny Cash and having him in my ear I just had this weird like ' he was eleven thirty at night, dead. But just all the conversations I'd had with him. before he recorded it I I don't know. I just I came out of there. I was like, I'm not gonna to make albums anymore. This Well maybe just not du whatts with dead people Maybe that's the issue. A I prefer to S with than I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I can't complain. it's true. that is true. Well, that's a great piece Tony Bennett just called Okay. All right, okay, get me minute. No, so this record, I There's just Like the AI things what started it Reading about the Beatles and I don't fault them But I was conflicted about them. I do fault them. And then the George Carlin thing sent me Yes. I mean, it sent me No're I pasted literally my kids would leave for school and I'm like, what that What are we doing here? Have you seen the Billy Joel, the new Billy Joel song video No. Okay. A I gonna like want to like goo hang myself and then Why? Because it' what are we doing now with AI? They you know, Billy Joel came out with his first song in thirty years. he debuted at the Grammyys and that wasn't really him. that was AI. No. No. But for the video They have him singing it as himself now, but also as him singing this new song but he only wrote now when he's twenty eight and thirty five and forty two. and o And it's Here's my thing about that. It's. He's alive. He's. Okay. and H I mean he is Harrison Ford did that whole latest I sa it. Yeah, where they've manipulated his face to make him look younger. And the Irishman, De Niro and Ded them. Yes. And of course me on social media with lots of filters, same thing. No, I'm kidding. But It's w thing if you're alive And you are controlling the image that you're putting out and you can actually address, Yeahah, will you say I If you're using somebody else and manipulating, I mean, it' we're getting it's beyond deep fakes where it's like I don't know. I mean, I actually called my attorney and was like, this is a weird thing. It's like negotiating real estate in space, which I know our countries are doing where they're deciding whoses own, what parts of space, which I find to be like For me, I'm just like, I don't want anything to do. I don't want my image coming out. I don't want my voice coming out. I don't want any of my old demos coming out.. I want it in writing for posterity And I want to watch in something where AI can't get in there and change my words. you know Wh I think is scariest is that when you look at the history of like when the technology comes along and does something horrible They their reaction seems to be What you can do it's technology we cant anything about it. Yes. Think about remember Napster. Napster. Okay. Perfect. So first the technology comes along Uh, yeah We're going to steal it now. Except for me and Don Henley who are on Capitol Hill every ten like we're there every Tuesday Like trying to fight for stuff and and Okay. The Senate subcommittees are all saying, well, it's already here. Right. Well you can't do anything about. So they gave up on that. thenen Spotify streaming comes in and they gave up on The basic model of business Yeah Yes. So why would I think now that this technology they're not going to give up again on somehow guard railing this shit because Well they can't do it now. And for one thing, we're frogs in a pot Because. you know that phrase from the court. Yes. So I was talking to my kids about it. I worked with this amazing young songwriter recently Wh's written on tons of shit And she played me a demo. It was a demo that she had written with a couple of people and she sang it and she's like, I needed a guide to sing it So I paid five dollars and got John Mayor's voice And she played me the demo and it's John Mayer singing What's the five dollars? She paid a service. It's like Chat GBT But instead you insert somebody's voice and it replicates his voice hit not only his voice but his in his inflections, his style There's I started crying. I was just like I know John. There's no way I would not know this was him And for five dollars. But And I said and she was on at the chat GBT thing and how she could put stuff in It's not always good, but it gets your brain started and there's always a couple of good lines. I just was like, you're twenty one. I know this is This is what you're growing up in. I know this is normal for you But what is not normal about it, which you will never know is that The thing that creates art is Like it it's the human experience. It's not a computer's experience. That's why I think we will survive to a degree because The audience, at some level, they don't know how to read anymore They don't it's a joke to think they would get through a whole book. They actually make jokes about that a book For a whole song. We don't get paid unless they listen to a more than thirty seconds. Yeah, but people do still listen to a whole songs. most No,, even the kids listen to songs I mean, I don't think their attention span is so short that they can get a song if they like. Yeah. Yeah. Okaykay. Now listen to Zach Bryansong all the way through. Wh? Yeah, I don't know that is Zach Brian? Zach Bryan? Whatere do you live in the Yeah? No I don't. I justu up I mean, I can't explain he' so great. He He was in the military young kid started posting songs on TikTok and became Massive, and we went out and opened up for him and it was like the Beatles. I've never seen anything like it I've never not since the Beatles have ever seen anything like it. Seriously Well, we didn't see the Beatles We were too young Yeah, even us. Yeah. But I mean, like the footage. there thirty thousand, forty thousand kids with no hits Singing every word, hanging on his every I just learn from TikTok. Well, we'll see in ten years if he's like the Beatles. Yeah Be from your mou to Gods do you? Well, I mean Everybody Look, music is like R was just saying, it's so primal. I know. Like, he's not the first one to come out and look like the Beatles for ten minutes You know, they are who they are because they g they grew They were always one step ahead of the audience Can this maybe he can, Mbe he's a geni. What do you think of the music? Miss. mean you describeed the crowd reaction, but what about the music itself? Yeah, well, I mean, it's a thing. It's a d thing. Yeah. Well, there's a dodge. Yeah, right. Okay. so you don't think he's a musical genius. No, no, no, it's not that. It's I mean he actually, I mean, truth be told There's a whole whole lane of music now that sort of falls into the Americana, but actually it's sort of like old school country, like Tyler Children's Zach Brian and they're writing songs about H living people with real struggles. Yeah, the guys. And it's three chords, four chords. and it's good. It's good. It really is good. Yeah. It can be. I mean, for whatever reason, it's resonating with sixteen year olds and twenty year olds and thirty year olds And I'm down with, I'm here for it They're writing stories It's not six seconds and S second attention span. We're going to, you know We gota keep the listener in it. It's like old school Verse. , the only tang is a tiny bit. you know, it's It's like American Yeah, I mean, look no, but I'm just saying like I don't put any labels on things. A good song is a good song. I mean, you like I remember you did some album. I have it. I have them all. Okay. And it's like they said it was your country album Oh yeah. It was like, yeah, I see what they were saying because it's they always want to glom on and get some sort of story. so they could make a story, but it was just a good album. It was just a Cheryl Crow album Yeah, there were some songs They were geared more towards that. Well there was the o I love it. The one about the mascara run. Yes whichich is like Waterproof mascar. But what's the next line 'ause it don't run like 'ause it won't run like like his daddy. Like his daddy whichich is like so close to parody. Yeah. Like that's so close. I wrote that with her. Paisley. Brat, he was sitting here. He was. Yes, loved him What a great guy He's one of my favorite people Funny. Yes.'s not what you think He doesn't live in that like he's talking a guy who's from that from that part of the country and, you know, believe me, there are things that the world could find to hate about him It would not donon't. Okay, here's the thing. That is a funny thing that came out of my conversation with Um Kid Rock I had to call him Bobbie. and about being woke. because he said, you're so woke and I was like, First of all, you quit calling me names and secondly Maybe I'm woke. I don't I mean, that' that was an old term that was derived from like, right. Slavery After that, I think, but it meant being alert to injustice. alert justustice. all down that I'm all down with that. I know. I'm just morphed into something that was an eye roll. I didn' I didn't do that. They did that. Yes, I know. And I told him them I was like I'm so down with being woke if it means like wanting this country to run for all of us. Here's a story that was in the news this week Um Somebody wrote in the Atlantic. He used to work at the New York Times, talked about New York Times. I love the Atlantic. I don't know how you feel about it, but that's my go toes. Yeah. Yeahah, yeah. It's hard to find It's hard to find fair pieces written work. Exactly. You only get one side of every story. Yeah. Anyway, So he's at the orientation for the new people at the New York Times, I think it was. And for some reason they ask that they're asking going around the room or something and what do you want for lunch? And he says, Chick fillet And they go, Like head of the thing said, No, we don't do that here. They hate gay people And then all the people in the room start snapping their fingers like their're beatnicks in nineteen fifty. Like, you know, yeah, man.'s like what's story? It like It's like stupid side story. Yeah. Like fuck you, we can't eat chick filt. You know what? I will eat chick fillet and bud lightight. I'll put them together in a beer caned chicken if I get started on this. of That kind of attitude Yeah just so obnoxious. I know. And honestly, if you get me started, my pubos sis will running here in a minute and like, she's got to go. I mean, it drives it drives me. Why I said it? It drives. Yeah, I know. It drives us all crazy. By the way the people, the good people in this country are with us. It was in the paper today, like the number one concern most people have is extremism. They fucking hate it They f This is what worries me. U betweenetween you and I Um Is that a pot leaf on that guitar? head Yeah. this was a gift. Okay you could totally tell I'y, right 'Cause it's like squirrels. Pot leaf. What do you No, I was just saying something really astute. It's like, o, that's amazing. It's an amazing thing. Can you really play it now That sounds really bad. Well, it's not tuned. It's made out of hemp. Can you smoke it? You're looking jar. would be an odd way to reift it, but you know, yeah, I guess you can't smoke hem. Heemp doesn't get. you can' smke it. You can wear it though. Yeah what I was gonna say is my kids come home with the most unbelievable questions, right? So I grew up in a really small town, three stop lights corn field, but we were close to the Bouville Air Force Base.? Blouiveville, Arkansas Air Force Base, which was the biggest air Force base in America. This is at the end of this is like seventy two, I was ten years old I think I'm older than you. How? No, I'm sixty eight. Okay, I'm sixty two. So but I'm a super young like thirty six year old sixty two Yes you are I remember, I don't know if I came home from school and some kid had said, yeah, the first place they'll bomb in America will be Bvill and we'll all be you know, incinerated. Well, That's the only time in my childhood I remember ever being afraid of my parents saying Ridiculous, right Um, probablyrobably wasn't, but but my kids now come home with crazy questions. Will they go to a Christian school And they come home with bizarre questions that they do? Yes, they come home with questions that you know theirir friends are coming into school with from hearing their parents you know, in this this Religious support that Trump has is very perplexing Pople in the Christian world believe that He's chosen literally chosen by God. Yes. and so better. Meanwhile, because we have many gay people in our lives and in our family that we love and they come home and they just, you know, they're Fny things that are supposed to be funny jokes, like m about gender because, you know, it's this is these are the things that Trump's fighting against is It's it's It's confounding and it's also as a parent, it's very All I can say is when my kid was in eighth grade, we toured Arlington Cemetery, his eighth grade class. And I walked there and I was just thinking, man theseese people that fought for what the country' supposed to stand for for all people. are rolling right now. I mean, I just I'm scratching my head going, we can all live here I' I mean, first of all, I don't think Trump is specifically fighting gender stuff. I think he's No you know, compass at all. So I agree if if people he needs say something anti gender that's inappropriate. like he probably wouldon't slap them down for it. But I don't think, you know, he's a libertarian, a libertarian, a libertine from New York That's not his thing. I mean, you know, he just got out of a rape trial for God's sake. He grabbs pussies, you know, the Melania thing, whatever the fuck that is. And so I just don't think that's where people are I'm not most worried about him there. He just came out with his abortion proposal, which is sixteen weeks which is about what they have in Europe sometimes I have not seen that. Yeah. Sometimes it's even less than that. Oh, the Republicans are in they know they're in real trouble because They finally caught the car. The dog caught the car, they got rid of abortion rights, and Americans fucking hate it Men hate it, women hate it. Everybody fucking hates kids, I understand. And they don't want kids they don't want to have. And they really this is the Democrats best issue by far The worst Biden's age, that's their worst age. Yeah yeah. their best is Is this Yeah. People want someone to fight for now they're going after the embryos. Did you see that in Alabama? Oh ye, I've seen it. I mean, embryos, like just like the goo in the petri dish is an eight year old. can We should give if embryos are alive, we should give them the right right to vote. Well, we don't give eight year olds the right to vote, but we give them a lot of right toot. They should we do Ned were you a runaway bride all these three times that you didn't get married that you were engaged? My first engagement, I was twenty one. I was engaged to a born again Christian who partied like It was the end of the world and then repented the next day U And he broke it off, which was really good And then my second one, I was engaged, a lovely person I'm still good friends with, but we actually by the time we were getting ready to be married We were so platonic that it seemed like And that's why I never did it. Yeah. I mean, most people I know they're married are not that happy so But I'm also sixty two. I mean I want to just be with people I like and exactly. you know, I want to laugh seex would be great, but You know Only if it's something that makes me laugh.ight. I mean, it's trickier for women You know, youve, you got to have You know, I don't want to get pregnant. Well, especially in the state right, but also emotionally psychologically, men can, you know, I think have sex without you know You know, something being all that serious easier. Yeah. And especially as you get older. I can have sex and not care about the person. Yeah, I guess you can. I forgot what I was talking. I'm kidding.king about rock and roll. So we rock star, okay. What do you think is the like the most rock and roll thing you ever did likeike Because I wouldn't tell you. Really No U, yeah, now probably not. I mean, I've made out with a few people. Well, that's not even that. I'm talking about me when I think of rock, let me just put it to you like this book There is a book in here But some people are going to have to die first. So And it might be me. so I might write the book and then Let me put like R Hutson, you know, just put it out togetherether with my publisher He'll take care of the death. I think my pubis is all over it. She's like L le You know, take this down. Sure I think you're past the point where anyone will ever get mad at you unless you I have to do it quick though before I start forgetting all of it. It does start get Your mind moves to furniture I've known this because Well, yeah, because like I've known this Oh in a way that's undeniable. byy reading over books or some diary of something I had. andember in my mind, I had like one example, I had a memory of like this incident which I would have sworn. I would have sold the house on it place in Washington, DC. and it took place in London. was that was the incident but one I read over. and somewhere along the way over the years, my mind moved that from take notes? did you Well at the time this was I mean, this happened thirty years ago. and it was at the time I was like take I did keep like a journal like one like every one few months I would write down Yeah What happened in the last three months? I don't know why I was doing. I wish I would have done that. Yeah, no, I was a pretty good cave man I've saved a lot. I mean, look See that Diana Ros then the Supremes. Yeah. That's from an album when they put posters and albums I save that like that Eest S that Evest one That was a poster and an album. my And you know we just have them framed and they're like That means so much more they my mad magazine. Yes. Oh m magazine. You know Yes, Yes. That was so off limits when I was a kid that and what was the u What was the precursor vanity Fair? What was the U Lampoon No feel like Grayden Carter was I No spy Oh yeah Yeah. Yeah, Sy was not Mad was like broad. Mad was broad. Lampoon was the best. That lampoon was truly a brilliant satirical magazine Yeah. And then Sy was arch. It wasn't that laugh outont loud No it was It was very much more sardonic and much more sort of lit notiteralic. more intellectual. It it was for mostly upper East Side, New York. Yes, you know, was Yeah It pretty rareified air, but they did some great stuff. Um Yeah, Infanity fair. People ask me like what's the like what's the regret or whatever? There's one thing I wish I would have done was to write one sentence at least every day. ' journaling to me meant writing like with a project or a song in that. It just felt like work to me. so I never journaled. I mean on the od occasion I would journal, but I would journal in the context of, I got a record coming out, you know or record coming up. I need to start thinking about what I'm gonna write about. But I because I can't remember and my tour manager or my manager will bring up stuff and I'll go It remember that, you know Crazy weird little things along the way. I say Mad. Now I'm always fascinated by what the mind remembers because it seems to be Absolutely no rhyme or reason to white like you have whole swaths of time will have disappeared. one little thing that happened one night and it wasn't even significant youll remember ye My mom has dementia right now and that is they Weirdest thing I've ever seen I mean, I've known people, but not somebody as close to me as my mom is I don't know you Yeah, this is, I mean, it's just weird between Thanksgiving and Christmas But what happens is is she is stuck in a moment where she talks a ton is it relates to a specific time that none of us really understand. She talks about the people in the group and the group is going to be We think it has something to do maybe with her relationship to who she was in our church But it's weird, but it always comes out in that context. And her language, her vocabulary is really limited to that specific story. Now I'm sure it's not that way with all people who have dementia The bay, it's terrifying. Well, you know, Glenn Campbell. Yes before Did you know Glenn? Oh no. No. I No, I did not. I mean, you start laugh. Well, because I whereere you guys li to No? No, no. I mean our paths were very far from crossing. He was on TV when I was a kid. Yeah. he had a like a TV show. Yeah, back in the day when they gave singers like variety hours and you had to do sketches and And then you born in the wrong period. likeike a Wichital line And here comes Avonda Carlyisle. Yes Yeah, stuff like that. Welcome to Nit he was already you know, Rhinestone cowboy Yeah some I love those. That was when I was first listening to the radio, Galveston. Yeah. Wichiton lineman Gentle on my mind. Gentle on my mind. Which do I mean that was just one of the greatest of all timees. Gentle on my mind, lyrically what are? What a song. Yeah. I mean, that one is a killer poetry That was Jim Web Jim. Yeah, he also did a lot of great ye stuff. I got to meet him What? the same Amazing. Oh, I thought you werere gonna say another guy who tried to just henou try to p. No. Why blame me. No, no, no, no, not at all. No, just amazing Like I literally was like a student like, Ohh my God, I love you so much. Wow. Yeah. But anyway, whenen Campbell would be like he doesn't know where he is and who he's talking to and then you get on stage and the song like a rhinestone And there was there's something obviously music, again, the primal thing, when you hear the song, it triggers something in the brain that he was able to, I mean, that's really amazing that somebody in that case could do a concert. Yes And what's weird about it too is Have it be so rote and then to walk off and not No My mom is an amazing singer and we grew up singing always And last when I was home I got out the Great book, which is a reader's Digest Great book and played everything from Alfie to Alf And my mom My mom doesn't really stand so much. sitting next to the piano, sitting next to me on the piano bench And she's singing just like she always did. And then she grabs the piano and she stands up and starts really singing And I'm just like, Oh, there she is. That's that's my mom is. Okay, but why Alfie No, every song from that like Burert Bakarach andam It's such a great on all the All the stuff that Oh b back crack I mean That's when you when people gone by I mean, she was singing Like everything I played, she knew all the words. she been saying mooon Rriver, you know. That's Just like our old self It's weird music just like Whoe Moon River at Mancini. Mancini, Henry Mancini Andndy Williams, I think had the that's before my time, but he. But when people say, you know, Three cord rock and roll, I always think Yeah, I guess there's some songs that are good with three chords. I'm not good Give me Bird back rack who always has any day of the week. Any day now you mean? Any day of the week. Or but the song any day now? Oh, An day No. Yes. you just sang it. Yeah. That Thatsburg. Yes. Any day now. Yes. covered by Elvis. Covered by Luther Van Rros. An a day no? Yes Okay, as soon as I walk out here, I'm gonna go likeM or Spotify, playl me any day now. Epert backackreack. My name is Earie. I know Um Grant Unbelievable, but very always very unpredictable And again, I'm not a musician or anything like that, but I've seen charts and it's not three chords You hear something funny? Or any chord you've ever heard of. I did a gig where I got to sing I got just saying One lastess bell. two answ. Hold me One last egg f. We should take it on the road. One last man T p. Look up after I should be happy But Oh I do. That's the fifth dimension. Yeah. Yes it was. Yes it was. They were so great. So I got to sing that and he was playing the piano Wow. B it was And he stopped and he's like You don't want to back phrase, which's just same the melody as it is. And I was just like, o I mean, he' was very not rude Just this is the way the arc of the melody is is written that way and this is not works And and I got to sing with him after that, but I was like Bt back. Yeah, and he deserves that. Yes. And yeah I literally was like, Yeah, I will not back phrase. I will say. what that is, but ye you can't go One Well I think he made a good go one two five. I think he made a good call, I gotta say. I don't know. Otherwise could see a whole video of that version. if I could. That is really. But crazyack Rack. What are some of the songs that Like I know musicians all like and of course you are a great Coverer of songs What are some of the other ones you co Oh solitaire Why do I have that? That's a great song. Yeah, the carpenters's. Oh, it must have been on the It was on the Cpper Distribute. Cperer wrote that song I don't know. I want to say Paul Williams, you remember that guy? He wrote a lot of them. Yeah. He wrote He did write it. maybe. He wrote a couple of those. He was very what I I'll tell you another cover we did was Um that Eric Carmen song U o I think I know what you mean. Eric Carman. Yeah I know It's it's not Yeah, okay. It's in there. It's in there. This is what scares me. It doesn't know now. hest Dc, Dc full Yes There no There' no shame and not remembering Eric Carmen. Excuse me, Mr. Carmen. It was a great record. We loved it. That's why we remember it so I funly but we don't but we Yeah, I can blame marijuana. but you' I need to light it up so maybe I'll remember something. No But what are we going to say about it? Oh, you covered that I covered it and it was such a good song. What else are you covered? Are you covered I want you back Why do I have that? Was that on a soundtrack or something? No, that was on one hundred miles of Memphis Oh one hundred, Right. Oh really? Right, Okaykay. Twus a hundred miles to M. you I remember being a kid. D you do that as a tribute? I just remember No. I just I did it when we were getting ready to cut something. And the band was like, Ohh my gosh, you've got to put that on the record. like And then I did it This guy can rock him a good run Yeah. His version of suugar pie honeybungs Do not? Oh, really? No. You don't. O what I don't know, his twenty first century albums, like when he first came out, I was not into it I mean, I was never into the brash personality full on, although I love him. He was here also. Looks like everybody you knows. Yeah, I know. My entire like Ra Dex was here. And he's a real like we both o, he is who he is. But just separate that from the music. If we can do it with Wagner, we can do it with Kid Rock Yeah Faogner? J Rock. Yeah, it's just very similar And I'm sure Kid Rck would take that as a comation. like But just the music, like there's no, I love his records. There's no music that like takes me back to being sixteen That is his genius. L he has so many songs where, you know, your girlfriend's on your shoulders And you know, you're listening to AC DC or whatever the references are and the first kiss You know, that's like he has so many songs that if you were if you want to get back into that feeling good like that kind of good Yeah, yeah is my boy. He does do that He when I worked with him on that song picture, I came home at Christmas time and I was telling my parents, Working with this guy named Bobby Richie, Kid Rock. he's such a nice person, G got a great family, a lot like ours. veryy close to his family were and I said he's really, you know, huge. He had this song called Cowboy. and Yeah like, Ohh well, we'll play us some of his stuff. We'd love to hear some of it. No you wouldn't. they had the CD. And the very last song, we get almost to the last song and I was like, no, that's good. That's all you need to hear. 'causeuse last one it was called Black Pussy, I believe is what it was or not. it was And so I did a couple of gigs with them, one of which was in St. Louis, and my whole family came And they watched me play and then they came backstage and I was like, okay, well, y'all can go now. No, we want to stay for some kid Rong. And I'm thin Okay, dancing girls, you know, the whole They enjoyed s. I've heard that his concerts are like Trump rallies. I mean, with the flags and everything. Yeah you know, look, again, not for me. Yeah Get it convince you, Kid Rock to come to my side. I know that would be futile and stupid. So let's just not talk about what we don't agree. Yeah. You just do your get a exxactly. That's what I'm always making that comparison. In your family, you would never ask someone to just not take down their Confederate flag. Not be who they are. Yeah. No, it's true. And the three most important words in any relationship are not, I love you There, let it go Yeahah, I agree with that. Well maybe I overssold that, but but let it go is very important. Let it go or Maybe forward shut the fuck up. No, I'm kidding. Well, if you're at the place where you have to tell someone to shut the fuck up You know, That's one good thing I feel about getting older that I learned along the way it's like you don't waste time you know, where You can tell words You know, it's going. Yeah and what could possibly work and what couldn't, And there's no use throwing good love after bad There's another title I love it.. Oh I know you're a good. You're gpping for your Nest culture vulture. that you can have them all. It would be a honor. It would be an honor. and I guess I should let you go. but God so much so. I love hanging out with you man so much. I mean Cheryl Crow Rx. We need to hang out when the cameras aren't on. Because there were many things to talk about. And yet it would be no different, would it? Actually, no, it would not be. That's what I'm trying to do with this j. It would be more different, but I'll do with for me anytime. Maybe a little weed If I'm not singing, you know, that's a thing. That' you know random All right. So anyway,. That was fun. Thanks for having. Pleasure You're a Minch Rnd