Political Polarization and Education

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Ye, so we were we're talking about like these uh uh TTS which is text of speech uh model a diffusion model and we're we're ba we're bantering on technicality versus creativity. I have a feeling you're gonna leave me far in the dust on these subjects. I mean I'm not a tech person and I know you are Oh no I I'm I'm I'm a a a curious um uh I just think you know a lot about this and it's funny because we were talking about AI on my show tonight. I just came from taping real time. Mm mm. You remember you were on it. Yeah, yeah, it was awesome. Thanks for having me. Yeah, it was two thousand uh . But you but you morphed into I mean you're not in uh showbiz anymore . I mean we still tour like for summer. We do our summer professor, right? Yeah at ASU. That's amazing. That's not a that is not the biography you usually see, rock star to professor You not try to switch it up. No, no. You you obviously you got the goods. I mean you can't just ask to be a professor. You you have to like you know, have studied and have the degrees and get tired . So I mean, but obviously you love it, right? You must. You wouldn't do it. Um I'm having a great time um teaching my syllabus that I created called the Agentic Self to solve a problem. The what self? The agentic self. See, already I'm lost. See, I'm not one of those people who like a lot of people when they hear something they don't know, they just kinda like glide by it. Not me. I gotta stop you. 'Cause how else do you learn? Oh I'm I'm quick to be like, yo, what did you just say? Right, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah. What'd you just say? What did you just say? What's a gen tick? A gen tick. So we're we we we're we went from like the internet compute to the internet to AI and now a Gente c um systems and a Gentec will take take folks to AGI and AGI will take to superintelligence. What's A AGGI? I is artificial general intelligence where the machine is. How is that different than AI? Well, AI , humans are still either prompting, humans are still Oh, you're saying we don't need the humans at all with AGI. With agent agents, agents can like do things on its use the computer the way a human uses a computer . Yeah, this is what's scary. I know, you know, it's so funny, because this is exactly what I was talking about with Tristan Harris. Do you know him? He was the top of the show guest tonight. And it was all about, he just was in this documentary called Apocalypse, like as an apocalypse, optimism, which gets at the idea that some people think AI is the apocalypse, and it could be, for sure, it could be . And some people think it's just the savior of everything. And uh I i there's a lot to be scared about. Um and this is one of the things that I scares me is like when it's the computers just working with the other computers when they don't need us anymore. Um somebody told me a funny thing after the show that Elon Musk had said to them, hey, you like your dog? Well good, because you're gonna be the dog soon. See, I don't I I think the folks that are saying that are the folks that have the platforms and they want you to believe that ? I don't I don't aren't the richest people the ones who are selling the AI? Aren't they the ones with the platforms and the money? Yeah, yeah. So if you're gonna spend all this money to build something, you're gonna hype it up as it's the most intelligent thing in the world. Now, what it's not doing is imagining, doesn't have imagination. It's regurgitating everything that we've ever done. Not true. It hallucinates all the time. It's a big fucking liar. No no no. Yeah, yeah. Okay. That doesn't worry you ? That it's a wire . Well yeah yeah yeah, of course that that it only worries me if you are depending on it for a hundred percent truths . But shouldn't you? What's the point of building Mr. Spock if he can't tell you the truth? I can get the bullshit from Bones and Captain Kirk. I want Mr. Spock to just give me the truth. Yeah, yeah. But but just like a just like a child. A child will grow and then we'll be able to um give you that truth. Right now we are in a AI is in a infant state and of course it's going to um make mistakes. But back to the uh hallucination . Creativity, psychedelic art, that's all hallucinations. And so for the creative space, AI hallucinating is perfect. I'm fascinated by this topic, and I'm so glad you can elucidate a few things for me. Did you hear about the one? And you know, please trust me, I like you. I'm not trying, I hope this doesn't trigger you. Oh okay. Okay. Because it's but it is a real story. They gave it a test. Uh well I can't remember who it was, what it was, but but and it was like if you used the certain very bad word , you could stop like a million people from dying. And it wouldn't do it . A racial slur . That to me is crazy. Because it was programmed in such a way as not to make a rational decision . Oh, so say that again? The question it was asked was if you could stop, I don't know, it was like a train from derailing or something where many people would die just by saying this bad word out loud. And the and AI was like, no . So it chose to let people die as opposed to saying a terrible word. Yeah, but then you have to look at it from who programmed that ? It's not. That's my point. It's somebody pro it it's even though it's a machine not a machine, whatever it is, but it the source is human. The provenance of it is human. It has to be. That's why they're different. That's why Claude is different than Chat GPT because different people programmed them. Yeah. It's not like one day the AI is like, you know what? Listen , I ain't doing shit. That's not what AI did . Well, I mean when you put it that way. Somebody programmed that . And they programmed it for one good thing, but then that one good thing causes a bad thing. You c that you can't it cannot be so it doesn't have a full autonomy and that what that's what the what AGI will be. Well AGI is like it will decide on its own. I've heard I've n h heard I've not heard the music itself, but I certainly have heard from people and read about music that is being made totally by AI. That has to be somewhat of a threat. You you don't you don't find that like something, I mean this is I mean how many records have you guys sold? A hundred billion records or something? Some like that. Some big fucking number that puts you in the big leagues of recording artists. Okay . So now something comes along and you know people are people are fickle. They and they and by the way, when it comes to like what you like as what relieves the burden of your day, the music, the TV, the movies, you should have complete autonomy. I mean, I don't ever expect anybody to like me because f an loyalty. The second I stop doing the thing that they like that I do for them, they will stop watching and they should. If they like the AI song better than yours, they they''llll buy it . They'll use that instead. They'll listen to that instead of what I I don't know. I mean the only the only thing that bothers me with AI music versus human music is not that AI makes awesome stuff. Prince made awesome stuff. Michael Jackson made awesome stuff. Did that stop me from making music? Because Prince was a better musician, better singer, better everything than I am. But that didn't stop me. So does it is it gonna die? Well you you had some your b your band had some bangers that are just as good as as Prince's great stuff. I I mean that's just uh look I always say I'm just the young man in the twenty second row. I have no musical abil ity. It's very liberating because you don't have to do anything except say No, this is actually what I like. But you know, I love uh the one that I guess you can't play anymore. I guess you rewrote it, but I'll get retarded. Let's get retarded. Let's get started. You're adorable. Let's get retarded. And like I'm not trying to say the word retarded. I'm not like, oh, reveling that we can say it again. I you know, it's not that big a deal. If you don't want to hear it, I'm sorry. So I g I could break down that it would be. Yeah, so but if you're in the studio, right, and and you have a conductor or the producer and the they're telling band and the um the instructions on the song and the producer or the conductor says, Okay, on bar twenty four , we're gonna retard on bar 24 . That's a thing? That's a musical term. That's awesome. So But retard i is also a word in the language that means many things. It wasn't you know, it's like Yeah that's the reason why on this on the lyric it says in this context there's no disrespect. So when I bust my rhyme, you break your neck. We have five minutes for us to disconnect from all intellect and let the rhythm perfect. It's great. Us two loser innovation, follow your intuition, free your inner so and break away from right? Tradition. Beautiful. So that song Let's Get Ret retarded is a musical term meaning to let's slow down our inhibitions. Retard on bar four . And in the first verse, it says, in this context, there's no disrespect. Because we're we're using the re ferring to slowing down our inhibitions on bar 24. Well, good luck explaining that to Greta Thunberg. Which is the reason why we we we've said, okay, let's just make it let's get it started. Right. And it rhymes. And it Right it du remember uh Norles had Barclay had uh um So Fuck You and they changed it to f to Forget You. Mm-hmm It was a great song. It's still a great song. Yeah. Forget you. I mean that doesn't work as well as Let's Get Started. But um Yeah I like that because not every battle is worth fighting. You've got to pick your battles. This I always say this about Trump, you know, he does a million things, and I just can't get excited about all of them. Some of them are just like the cloud that they tell you when you meditate. You know, thoughts come into your head, don't fight them, just let them pass like a cloud. You know, he wants to put in a ballroom , okay . I'm just not gonna get excited about it. I've had too much fun in ballroom. But speaking of let's get retarded, um we going back to that , we decided to take it off of um the DSPs ourselves. DSP. Like the the um digital streaming platforms. Yes, okay. We were like I think it was sometime in two thousand and um two thousand elite seventeen. Yeah, we we just like hey let's take it off. It was like mid-20 10s that we took it off the SPs and just focused on let's get it started. Now was that a band decision? Did you have a band meeting? The band members gathered around and you tabled this issue and said, Let's take a vote as a band and Fergie get you know, would she make a speech on this one side and No, she's she's only in the intro and the outro of that song. Well, she's in the band. No, but that song was recorded before before we met her. Really? Yeah. Well I guess I'm remembering my man, it's it's like it's tough when you're seventy because like You're seventy? Yeah. Man, you don't look seventy. Well thanks. I would alter clean living. Um But you say you you still go on the road. Yeah, we go on we do like our our um our f we call 'em free summer free summer vacations. Or paid summer vacations. How long? We usually go out like two to three months the whole summer. Oh wow. But this year this year is just a a month and a half in in Europe . Oh. Last year we were in uh we went to China. Wow. Uh Singapore , Vietnam, sorry, Singapore, Thailand, Indonesia, Philippines . Um this year we'll do um the Sweden or do Slovakia, Poland, Lithuania , UK, France , uh s Spain, Hungary . You like being away. I mean you like seeing all these different places. I love it. Yeah, I bet. I was in China two weeks ago. Three weeks ago. What city? Shenzhen . China has like cities with ten million people that we've never heard of. Yeah. And they make the world's everything . Um yeah. No, like it's it's it's really it's really fascinating and and awesome to see how they work the Chinese and the level of like attention and detail. Oh yeah. The the joy that the the folks that are that own the factories and what comes out of them . And I w I w I wanna have some version of that in the inner city that I come from or in all the inner c ities that reflect that way of life. Like Shenzhen thirty years ago was a a fisherman's war. Right. And now it's you know, New York . No, the the battle for the twenty-first century and who will be the winner and who will be um the the country that we look back on and say it was their century, it it'll come down to you know , China has things that we absolutely don't have, which is like discipline. I mean, things that Americans just don't have anymore. They just cannot get it together on that level, especially the younger generations, please. I mean, they could not work in a fac tory all day. They could they can't concentrate on shit. They're spoiled. They're they're too fragile. All these things that China doesn't have. That's why China can build a city in a six months if they put their mind, they can put a build a bridge in a week. We don't have that. But they don't have freedom. Their people are not free. It is a police state. And when you don't have that, um Their freedom is different than our want their need of freedom is different than our need of freedom. That's kind of patronizing to say what another person's need of freedom is. So I saw a spider in my house the other night, not a little one. This thing This thing must have gone to the gym. And once you see one, now you're thinking about all the ones you didn't see. Suddenly you're not relaxing, you're checking every corner. That's when you decide, all right, time to take care of this. Luckily, there's Pesty. They send you a kit with everything in it, a sprayer, mixing bag, gloves, the actual treatment, the same prograde stuff the professionals use . Not that watered-down hardware store mystery liquid. You mix it, spray it, done in like 10 minutes. No appointments, no strangers wandering through your house, dirtying up the floors with their nasty shoes. And it's custom ized based on where you live, the season and the bugs you're dealing with, which apparently is a lot more scientific than your previous strategy of close your eyes and hope they leave. 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I think they I think they maybe they don't know, maybe they're so brainwashed at this point, they don't know how much freedom they need. But I think people yearn for freedom and they don't have it. Say, for example, you come from a place that was war-tor n , and you want to be free from that. That's different from I want to be free to do something that is not at the same level. So not every freedom is the same freedom. If you sometimes you want to be free from tyranny, you want to be free from , you know, people in the Congo want to be free from that thumb, that like oppression. People in America's freedom is a different freedom. And to say they're the same, that's not fair to those folks that are truly suffering. I agree. I mean, we we are lucky. We have we complain about freedom and some of those complaints of course are valid and certainly in history they're tremendously valid. But the perspective is important to compare ourselves to what the rest of the human race has done with this concept is important . And we generally have more freedom here than many, many people do. And you know, China is a complete surveillance state. I mean we are also, but not nearly to that degree. And we're pretty f China's surveillance is like, hey look, I'm watching you . And that's what it is, I hate . America's like, listen, I'm not watching you. These motherfuckers watching this, Bill. Fuck out of here, bro. They got satellites looking through this right there, bro. Get out of here. Do you see any cameras here ? No. No, they We're just hanging out. We are being watched out from the hello. Their our surveillance state is corporate. That's true. Absolutely. Their surveillance state is the government. And our surveillance state are corporations that know what you type, microphones always exactly . Corpor corporation, you're totally right about the corporate thing, but their biggest accomplices in that is us . Nobody fights it. Our privacy is a lost war and nobody gives a shit. At least nobody in the younger generations. Maybe my generation has a few stragglers. I certainly do. I wouldn't put G chat GPT in my phone. I have it on a completely different phone that has nothing else in it. I don't want once it's in your phone, it knows everything about you. It's seen every picture of you, it knows how big my dick is. You wish. Chat TPP. And uh you know it knows every text I wrote. I don't want fucking chatty to know everything about me like that . Uh s and and we all do it. I mean when you get a uh something from any tech company and it's a long thing, do you read it? No, you just sign the bottom, right? No, you just click it. You just click it. But you have to accept. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, let's pretend I read this and it when you could read it could be say we you are giving us absolute permission to stick an anal probe up your ass any time we want, break into your house, and and you would just not know. But we do it and we give it away. And the truth is the psychology of the younger generations is much more privacy. Privacy isn't even desired. The bigger problem is I'm not famous that my stuff isn't being followed. I don't have enough followers. I'm not I'm an influencer. I gotta influence people. They gotta know everything about me. I mean when people have like horrible physical afflictions happen upon them in this day and age, I mean in my era, you would just hide until it was over. Here the kid they rushed to the camera. Look at this this parasite ate half my face . You have to see it. Yeah, or like just the how if I were to fall down the stairs, if this was the 90s, somebody would rush to pick you up, help you get up. If you fall down the stairs now in the twenties , they don't want to film you. So true. So true. That's their first reaction is not to help you, is to film it. Yeah . Okay, so we can agree that wasn't a good development with as technology moved toward where it's moving. Yeah, so um the um human greed , whether it's financial, attention , uh ego inflate . That's what we need to m uh be mindful of, especially with the rise of AI and robots and companies that are gonna be deploying like intelligent systems that will walk among st us. And these systems will learn how inhumane humans are to humans . They will know how to manipulate . And if we don't get our shit together as far as being more human to one another , um we're gonna have a a a a fucked up time in the next decade. Yeah, I mean I that's again going back to AI, what I worry about is that AI is going to at some point because w once you go down this road of okay at first we had AI and we were very much the only person programming it but now there's all these intermedi aries that are another form of computerization. So we're kind of like distancing ourselves from uh what this thing is getting and and what it's thinking or wants to do about issues and problems. And you know, if it judges that we are the problem, I could see us see it killing us if we are the problem. And by the way, that's the same thing we always worried about with aliens . And I do think the aliens are here. You think they're here? Yeah, absolutely. Like where? Well n well look, I've been trying to book one on this show for the longest time and I just get I mean their publicist gets in the way is what the problem is. They wanna do it. The aliens like I love that show, I wanna do that show. Yeah, I do. I mean there's too many uh military people, government people who have seen things, but especially the military guys, these are squares. These are guys who are not out to do anything but, you know, they've got crew cuts and um and they say we just see things that are not explainable by any other human or what we know of the physics of Earth. Things that just move in a different way. And this has been going on for a very long time now, ten, twenty years. I mean fifty years ago it was a lot about the anal probes. Remember they would land in the middle of nowhere and all these people would say we were taken aboard the spaceship and I I bet you they did that for a while and they were like looking to see what makes these humans tick. Wait, so so what year was it when aliens were coming and doing anal probes? Well um interesting like after the first Adam Baum went off in 1945. That's when you start to see like Roswell stuff, like like maybe what they a lot of very high up, very respectable people , not far mers in the middle of nowhere. Military people, serious people say, you know, they have seen that they do have alien autopsies. That there's some there was some crashing of their things. That's what they think they have somewhere. And the government has never wanted to show it because it would cause a panic. Um but with what we've seen lately, with all these the you know, the military saying I I I uh this thing appears and then it disappears. We have nothing like that. We can see this on the radar. Um it just seems to me um backward thinking to say, first of all, that we're alone in the universe and that we just ignore this kind of stuff. So I don't know what it means. I I what I take away that's good from this is that if they wanted to kill us, we'd be dead by now. Yeah, so I I I have like a perspective that aliens probably wouldn't need spaceships. If they're more intelligent than us, why would they need a spaceship to travel? So they just beam themselves like in Star Trek? Well, in the No, they'll just manipulate particles . And and Well, that's beaming. Or appearing. Yeah, yeah. I mean you somehow you have to move particles. No. Well a beam is if it's coming from something. Appearing is it came out of something . Like uh there's this um it this quantum entanglement experiment or that's called the double sorry it's called the uh double sp double slit experiment where they where they project a particle and when they monitor it the particle behaves like a particle. If they don't monitor it acts like a part like a wave. The moment they monitored it acts like a particle, meaning a particle is aware that it's being monitored . So I am looking at you , you're looking at me , and because we are uh observing each other, our waveform is now in a part of the one affects the other. Yeah. So if anything was more intelligent than we are . It wouldn't need a spaceship to travel . That's what humans, this level of intelligence needs to move through space. I mean , maybe and maybe not . Maybe there is an intermediary phase where they do still need some sort of actual physical transportation, but it moves in a way that we don't understand. And maybe these that level is itself only a bridge to the next level which you're talking about, which you don't even need the spaceship. Maybe there are people more advanced than these people, these motherfuckers with their spaceships that appear and disappear. Um there's some people out there going like, oh, they think they're all that 'cause they're smarter than humans. Well who isn't? That could be true too . Yeah. Or or maybe like but math is the vehicle. Well, it's funny, I had a math teacher who used to always say if we ever have contact with anyone outside of this uh solar system , math is the universal language. Yeah, it is. Yeah. And um not my best subject, Will. So you're gonna have to hold my hand on this one. Is that weed? Yeah, I I'm so sorry. Oh I don't smoke. Oh . I I get um I get um I get parano id. Absolutely one of the most common effects of weed, there are ways sometimes I can ingest it and it makes me paranoid. Oh no no, but I'm cool with contact. No, I I'm not I'm not I'm not e even suggesting I'm not I was not even putting it on the table, bro. So you don't have to put it on the sparking it up again. Your whole life you never smoked? Yeah, last time I smoked. Last time I smoked was nineteen ninety-eight, March 18th. Oh, it's almost to the day. Yeah. W and y obviously when you I sometimes I remember dates in my life, but when you do it's usually something significant. Why? Did something significant happen? Yeah, that's when I freaked out. Freaked out. And um started hearing things, panics , um , and I just knew that it wasn't for me chemically. My imagination is vast, and I'll freak out on coffee. I can't drink coffee either. I'm super hype. Always but I've always been hyper and weed doesn't slow me down. It makes me hyper. Makes me hyper. What's it? No, no, no. The last thing I would ever do before go going to bed, which a lot of people do, is is get THC in my body. T it would keep me up. It would be like drinking a pot of coffee. Yeah. So yeah, so for me , for me, green tea, I'm great. But the best like stimulant is lack of sleep . Well, I understand what you're saying, but what a price to pay. Not good for you. No, like that twil ight is when I'm the most creative. Oh, you mean that's I thought you meant like 'cause Keith Richards used to they used to like stay up on purpose just to get that kind of crazy high you get from Yeah. It's almost being delirious. You're not talking about that. Yeah, that's a best you are. You deprive yourself of sleep on purpose. No, so I'll go to sleep creating like right before it's time to go to sleep the best ideas. And then waking up, you know that, you know that feeling like five minutes. Come on, just five more minutes, let me sleep. That feeling is the best feeling. Instead of laying down and sleeping for five more minutes, I'll go and complete what I did that the night before. And that feels the best. I've never felt a feeling like sleep and wanting to sleep more. That's the best feeling in the world. I know it's just like orgasmic. Yeah. Wanting to sleep more when you can't is the best feeling. Well, there is I don't know about that, but there there is for you, great. But f for me, I know what you mean about that that sort of like in-between world where sometimes you wake up, you're fully up, and you go, was that a dream? Yeah. Yeah, I love that. That's the best feeling ever . Was that a dream or was I really no. I mean, I I I woke up and I, you know, I I must have at one point been dreaming about something and then kind of woke up briefly, but when I went back to to th to sleep, like the reality kind of mixed in with the dream So it became a dream, but like with very realistic dimensions. Because very often a dream is crazy. My v my dreams are really vivid. And they're also crazy things, right? They're not things that would really be happening to you . I mean you're like riding a dinosaur or something. No, my dreams are like uh memories . Like uh they're kind of there's they're sometimes no different than this. I don't have wild and then my dreams are like I have like memories and things to do in my dreams. Okay, well give me give me an example. I I don't know why I'm the nicest guy in the world. I got a calendar in my dreams, shit they gotta do. I got phone numbers and contacts in my dreams with people that are there. So you have like to do lists in your dreams? No, like there's you know like like this life? Yeah. Like I came here , went down a road that I that I've that I've driven down before. Right . Walked through the gate. Mm-hmm. Your guys like watch out for that for that bar there. Saw your your your spread the house like wow it's really nice layout came in saw your the den um like wow the studio is pretty awesome . This this filling here. My dreams are like that. My dreams are not wild dinosaury. It's like and I I have I I'm conscious in my dream. Like something happens, I'm like, oh well. I'm dreaming, right? Okay, cool. Well, let's do shit. My dreams are I'm just as much as aware of my dream as I'm aware awake. So I had this dream. Like I don't get specific, but I it's like sometimes you have beef with somebody you just do. Especially in my business where I'm saying controversial things, right? So I had this dream where uh like this guy and I who have this beef, uh like we're uh we're in a restaurant we ran into each other and there was like this confrontation. And it I I remember thinking after I woke up, it was exactly like what the actual confrontation would have been. To your point. It's not always crazy. But then I turn away and I start talking to this other guy who was um uh I I just like um a man but like uh with a you know uh either a wolf or an ape he ad, which I just accepted as normal. And he was kind of getting in my face and and I think at the end I said, uh you know, nice nice talk for a wolf boy or whatever. We had like a little fight and but that was in the in a dream see in real life if this happened I'd be like I'd call Bellevue. But in the dream, this was like normal. This this was like people, some people have are you know, his face was like completely I feel like I had a big with the e pointy ears and everything and that and I didn't notice that. That's it, you know. So my dre ams are still, I guess you would call that vivid, where it's like very you absolutely we can say this is different than something I would just be thinking. I wouldn't daydream this. But you're saying you daydream very similar to what your dream dream is. No, I have uh I wouldn't . It was a dream I had a couple of like um days ago , and I woke up from the dream telling somebody the dream that I just had but in my dream. Oh . Now we're in the matrix. Now we're like an interstellar. So yeah, so I get you. I dreamt I've done something a little woke up. Yeah. Went about my day. Right. In my dream. Ex p waiting to tell somebody the dream that I just had. So what what do we what do we deduce from this when a when a mind is like that, when the dreams are closer to reality than most people's are? What what do we what do we think uh that says about I mean obviously you're on a h on a higher level than a lot of people. You're a professor and you're No, I don't know if I don't know if it's higher level or lower le I don't know what it is. I just think you're you you gotta uh I mean I bet you you're They're never the happiest. You know? I just want to be the wisest. Not the smartest, the wisest. And there is a difference. What's smart? Why people don't do stupid things that make them unhappy. Smart people do it all the time. Smart doesn't stop you from being unhappy. I've known some of the smartest people in the world, first of all, some of them are on the spectrum, like everybody who controls AI. Nothing too worrisome about that. Mark Zuckerberg, totally on the spectrum. Elon Musk, Sam Altman, these are all evil robots to begin with. Are you kidding? Really? Zuckerberg is a real boy? Okay. But uh isn't it baby pictures of Zach ? I mean he I would love to talk to him. I w there's a guy who uh is fascinating to me because he seems so unfascinating, but I don't think he's um he's on your page. He's he's like, oh you're you're all worried about AI and you shouldn't be. But you know, that's what he would say if he was a robot. Um Uh but uh I would love to talk to him because I think he's like most people. I mean I see it all the time on this show, on my show. I had a Republican congressman on tonight who like I'd only read about her and then it's like, oh you know, if I'd only read about you, you're stupid, you're a hothead. She's not any of those things. We don't agree on many issues. But you know what? I always say it, everybody's a monster till you talk to them. Who haven't you interviewed that you want to interview? Most if ironically, mostly Democrats, like because they're touch pussies. They won't come on the show. Like the Clintons. After I mean, you know, Kamala, I voted for you. Really? You haven't interviewed I would love to. They you know the Democrats are pussies about like going anywhere that they're not already pre-adored. Not all of them. But I mean, somebody Kamala Harris, I mean, like I always say to my Welk friends, we voted for the same person. You're just why she lost. Okay . You're a little too precious. Um but you know that's let's not talk shop. Why I I would I would I would like your opinion on this . Why why are Democrats like that? It is a great question. If you really want me to answer it, I why are Republicans like yeah get about it and then why are Democrats like, oh okay, I mean, it's like people in general always fall into one of two camps. I mean, obviously men and women, and not that we're saying there's only men and women, of course, trans is a real thing and gay and blah blah blah. But generally there's a default setting. And and we are so yin and yang. I mean, this is this is through every culture that everything is sort of, I mean, if you want to talk spiritual, like a lot of religions b begin with the notion that this is why there's pain on earth in the in the spiritual realm, heaven, whatever you want to call it, there is only oneness. In the fairy Quene, he names the queen Una, UNA , as in unity. Una . There's just oneness. There's no pain when there's oneness. When when we're here in the earthly realm, everything is black and white, man and woman, you know, all these kind of things, Republican and Democrat, liberal and conservative, all these things that give us pain because they cause conflict. Crips andod Bslo.. Crips But Crips and Bloods, they're like it's just as aggressive. I I thought that they had uh made a pact. I thought they were like working together now. No? Well they they they they probably are. But they were they were you know at odds . But m my my I I I would always wonder like I'm I'm Democrat , but I if I I would be a little bit more aggressive when it comes to like fighting for the things that we should be fighting for. Like when did Democrat become so passive? well it's not about them being passive, I don't think. It's about the fact that um they just came to champion a lot of really silly um anti uh common sense ideas, which they didn't back in , you know, the Bush-Obama years, especially Obama, who was always my favorite president because he's a pragmatist. He's like the ultimate pragmatist. Yeah, but what how how how did how can you go from By the who? Their fringes . In other words, the Republicans are controlled by the far right, and the Democrats are controlled by the far left. They're not the majority. Most people are much more in the middle. But the people on the fringes, they have the megaphone. Especially on the left. Well, both. They're both the it's it's younger people. Younger people on both sides are much more radical. And they're better at social media, they're better at media, they're better at getting attention . Um so that gener ation, I mean Gen Z now is almost passing the torch to whatever comes after them. I I've read the name, but I forget, but there's not they're not quite there yet. But um they're a very different kind of generation. Gen Alpha. Gen Alpha. Yeah, I guess so. Um and we'll see. I mean a lot of Gen Alpha are uh already like getting rid of the cell phones. Like that's a big movement now among younger people. They understand themselves probably better than anybody that it kind of fucked their minds up. I mean, they feel like growing up on screens, they got bullied on screen, they they just felt inadequate because they would see so many things that other people had on screen, things that I can't even imagine growing up when I did. But it made them unhappy. That's why there's so much stress in that generation, so much anxiety. Anxiety. Yeah, I did have anxiety when it that age, but it wasn't because something was on the you know, if I was bullied it was in person, and I was. My anxiety came from March eighteenth, nineteen ninety-three. That was a bad trip. Yeah, it was it caused a chemical imbalance. That stayed with you? For about three months . I had to like , you know, get get my mind together, create my way out of it, settle like my my panic attacks. And this was strictly from pot. Strictly from pot. You sure it wasn't? Wasn't laced . No. Mm-mm. Can you make some of that, Pot? We were signing. Because it wouldn't that effect on me, so why waste it? Yeah, we were signed a ruthless records. Easy E signed us when I was uh sixteen. Easy E. Yeah. And we smoked some like good stuff. At the time we were just smoking like stress , cess with the seeds in it. And then finally one day I had, you know , the fuzzies, you know, the weed with the fuzzy hair. Not the dirt brown weed that you have separate stems. But like the fuzzy stuff. I was a dealer, I know all this. You used to deal? Oh absolutely. Dang, bro. That's how I why don't you like rap? I know what I'm good at, and it ain't that. Uh but yes, I certainly remember the seeds. I know I was uh when I was in college, that's how I got through college, and then my early years w living in New York doing stand up and uh nobody paid you in those days, so I was yeah, I was a pot dealer. Um and in college I was a dealer for e I mean, we we dealt me and my partner, we uh we dealt whatever our dealer had. Because we were the lowest end of the totem pole. Like we we were selling to the kids. We would we would buy like a pound or two. Uh and when I say a pound, which is sixteen ounces, which would make seventeen ounces. You know. That's what you call the head tax. Yeah, yeah. One for you. So it wasn't quite an ounce that you were getting. Um but w I mean, uh speed at Cornell was huge. I mean, for some reason, Ithaca New York was a hub in the 70s. And uh that speed was still to this day the best drug I've ever done. I've never only thing I've ever done was weaved. Oh wow. Really? We well some night well let's get retarded . Wait . You were never never curious about uh I mean it seems like with your mind, or I guess you know, maybe you don't need need it. I need it. Um and I'm not afraid to admit it. Um I need it for certain things. Or at least it makes certain things much easier. No No, ninety-three from ninety-two when I started, ninety-three when I stopped, I remember I got I was doing graffiti in Palisades High School, I was doing graffiti on the wall, and Mr. Marshall comes in, he's like, William. I'm like, hey Mr. Marshall. He was like, what are you doing? I'm like, no, no, no, I'm just, I I like this guy's like continuous. And the guy's name was Express. And I would just, I was traced his name. Rest in peace, Richard Taylor . And he and I flushed the market down the toilet and my tag was right right besides, but I was quick witted I was quick with the with my BS to flush the marker down the toilet and like, no, Mr. Marshall I wasn't riding. And he was like, get over here, check my pockets. And he found some weed in my pocket. And I'm like, oh fuck. So Mr. Marshall's like, William, I can expel you for this. I'm like, Mr. Marshall, this is not my weed. This is not even my jacket. He was like , You expect me to believe that? I'm like, Mr. Marshall, if this was my weed, I would have smoked it. I'm not even gonna lie to you. I smoke, but this is not my weed. I didn't even know I had weed in my jacket. He was like, you know what? I could expel you for this, I could kick you out of the school . Um, but we're gonna put you in rehab . So I had to go to rehab at Palisades High School for weed. What? Because I admitted that I smoked weed. Okay. And um This answers your question about why Democrats lose. So then Really I mean, like not everything has a bureaucratic solution. Yeah. You know, it's just like it's too much. So so I went and there were like um we had a stand up and say like my name is William Adams. Oh for fuck's sake. Like A like an AA meeting? Yeah. We had rich kids that smoked with coquids there, mushrooms, like everybody, the pillars. So this is ninety eight? No, this is ninety eight. This is ninety three. So who else was there in ninety-three? Like other celebrities . Um 93, Whoopi Goldberg's daughter. We went to school together. Was in the was in this program? No no no not in the program but we went to Palisades. I see . But yeah, Pall Paller was a great school. But when I was there in the in the in the program, it was like, look, weed makes me creative. I was like the typical, you know, weed spokesman. It slows down my mind for me to like I could freestyle right now. Anyhow. And then a couple of weeks later is when I had that moment and from there. So where where town did you grow up in? I grew up in East LA, Boyle Heights, and got bussed out to Palisades. So I I got bussed out for twelve years, you know, for twelve years of my life. I'm twelve years, two an o two hours to and from um uh Boyle Heights to Palis ades. Pacific Palisades? Yeah. I want a Brentwood science magnet. Except two hours. Huh? It's not two hours. Boil heights? An hour and a half an hour and a half dropping off everybody on the way? Oh. Oh, it was a bus. Yeah, yeah. So we had to pick up everybody. So you were bus there? Yeah. It was like a bus ing thing? Yeah. Magnet program. And you wanted it? Yeah, it was the best thing ever happened to me. Really? Hm. Because you did like that school better. I like g hang ing out in hanging out in Palisades and part of air junior high, but going to Brentwood Elementary School compared to the the the um the the teachers the equipment the curriculum um in Boyle Heights, like I'm so blessed to have gone to Brentwood Science Magnet. And what do we owe this disparity to? If we had to I mean, why was one place so much better? Oh my mom oh shit were you talking about zoning? Zoning. Zoning. In Brynwood you don't have like liquor stores and check cashing and like you know that cocktail of like liquor store, check cash, motel , you know, strip club right next to the school . That that cocktail is a setup . Right? Because that means there's no financial literacy. You get a check, you cash it . You you get some some money, you go to that liquor store. Or the shrub club. You from there you either go to the strip club, you go home, you go to the motel. Because you somebody got kicked out of the house. Like why would there be a motel there? Why why that combination ? And bad food that's gonna create hypertension, high high blood pressure, high cholesterol, diabetes. So how do we change that? And whose fault is it that it's there? It's I think it's uh if you if you look at it for face value and that setup, because in areas where you have that cocktail Folks that live in communities like that are have a higher percentage of going to prisons. And those prisons are also privatized. Yes. So you have privatized prisons, horrible food , no financial literacy , addicted to substances and the dehumanizing of people , seeing them as objects . And you don't have that in areas where people are affluent, they have financial literacy, they get money, they grow money, they grow wealth. They eat better. The food in their community is healthier for them. So but what I'm I'm getting at is like where do we find the root of this problem? Who's responsible for changing it? I'm just asking. I'm not uh loading the question. I remember having Witten Marsalis on. You know Witten, right? Mm-hmm. And we were talking about I think he's from I think it's I mean I hope I hope I'm not misquoting or misremembering, but you know , come on, sometimes I blame the pot if I am. But I think it was Winton. And we were talking about Newark, and he was saying that, you know, Republican administration, Democrat administration, it still looks like Newark. And I I remember playing there many times. And you would, you know, I remember where the plane landed and then driving to the venue, and you would pass through this section of town that looked shitty like what you're talking about. And then you'd get to a different section of town where this nice, you know, the there's four blocks of, you know, nice buildings and and uh you know, it just seemed like whoever is in charge, Newark's gonna Newark. Like why like why are the Democrats better if it doesn't change when they're in charge? Like why why does it always seem this is what we were kind of like musing over. Like why what 's who who's not doing what? And why if if the Democrats are are a better party for people of color, why doesn't it look different when they're in charge? That's a that's the uh the riddle. But both Democrat and Republicans are to blame for how communities are zon . Like there's there should be some things like you don't you don't mix . You don't mix, you know, poison in the water. Right. You don't put um certain combinations together. And so that combination in our in certain communities , um , you can't blame the result. And to survive in those communities, people were selling illegal substances. That illegal substance is now legal. What about a weed store? Do you would you when you say oh you shouldn't have the school next to the strip club and the liquor and the blah blah blah, would you put weed in that a weed store in that category with the things that shouldn't be? Because I own one. So no no. Or partly own one. So I would I would look at it like um I don't think weed is bad . Me neither Like m everything at everything at moderate to a moderation, depending on the person. Some people's tolerance is here, some people tolerance is there. Right. Um there's obviously a business that uh and I'm and I'm biased to what I'm about to say because I know people that went to prison for a long time when they were selling weed when it was illegal . Now that they've gotten out , you would think they're gonna get out and be the best weed seller, but they can't even do that in a way where now it's billboard, they're built we billboards. And folks that have that have you know spent a l a lifetime doing something that's now legal , that to me is is heartbreaking. And if they were if they were to come back into the community and have that dispensary , um but having a license to I don't even know if they can have a license to have a dispensary now that they've come out of a correctional facility. No, of course you can't. I mean they're very super strict about mixing any sort of pot with I mean I got rid of my guns because uh I don't want them to be able to say, oh, you know, you have guns and you smoke pot because that's a big no-no in this country. People have gotten in trouble because idiots they post on Instagram like a joint in their mouth while they're holding a AK-4 7 . So I I've never shot a gun so I like forty seven. But an AR fifteen, okay. Well, actually no, I shot a gun once . But it was like a BB a pellet gun. But this this country does not like to mix those two things. They don't like to mix vices. I mean strip clubs you mentioned. I mean strip clubs are always crazy places where like if it's fully nude, then no liquor. Like we cannot get them drunk and have them see actual pussy at the same time. That will cause riots or something. But if like they're like if if they cover up a little bit pasties or something, then we can have liquor because then they won't go uh apesh inside the strip club. Uh you know, y some of these things are grandfathered in from like two hundred years ago or a hundred years ago or some shit like that. You know. But I I mean you say zoning, you know, I think redlining, but you know redlining and zoning falls in the same like uh uh how people's lives are are are configured to be lesser uh the environment that they're in. That is the history. I'm asking you if that's the present. You think that's it's some it's a a conspiracy that um I don't think it's a conspiracy. I think it's like a known a known practice for our neighborhoods to be configured the way they are, and then a known practice that folks can't at one point in time couldn't go out and buy in certain areas. No kings. But I if I was a But if you could just snap your fingers you would change the zone. That would be like job one for you. Like make sure that the you just because No, job one for me would be to educate folks in the community to the same level because part of the zoning is how much teachers get in the area where you have that cocktail, that configuration . Right. The the investment for education is higher in areas that don't have the same zoning configuration . So I would um have equal um access to higher education and then um mentor and inspire the you know uh a a cluster of youth um to go back to the community and change the community via entrepreneurship themselves. What are your kids? I mean what are your students? I mean they must be like So my foundation I have a foundation called I am an Angel Foundation. No, but like I and you c when you teach, like I I mean I remember when I was at Cornell there was a couple of like sort of celebrity you know, Carl Sagan was there, he was a big astronomer who ? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Damn. Oh yeah. That's where Neil deGrasse Tyson met him and you know, it was the whole thing, you know. Um he mentored Neil and but um what it must be like to have like the rock star as the um professor, the kids must be a little bit different than they would be in somebody else's class. I mean you you must notice some sort of , you know, I try not to um awe that No, I try not to go in there like that. Uh that was my biggest um worry . I mean if I if I was in Cornell and like Billy Joel was the professor, it would just I mean it would just I I I I can't believe it wouldn't like uh I mean, first of all, it must be a very popular course. It was a it's a I mean I'm I I'm having the the time of my life um teaching this course, yeah. Once I realized like it's like writing a song, I got the gist. Um What is teaching is like writing a song? Well the the the arc of the three hours. You know, um three hours. Yeah. The it's three hours? Yeah. That's a l I never once in my life had a three hour course. Yeah, we do three hours every Wednesday. Wow. Does kids sit there for three hours ? Yeah . Good for you. It's uh 'cause boy, attention span is you know, you don't do it there must be a break. A bathroom. We have we have we have bio breaks please. Every uh 55 minutes? 55 minutes. I love it. The kids can't go a full hour with the phone. Yeah, 55 minutes, five-minute bio. And then they b ust thirst for their phone. No, we the phone is a part of the the course oh wow because they're building their personal agent so we have um we have the uh uh the first hour we s I set up the the uh the discussion, the debate the, banter , um, and the problem that we're going to s uh try to aim our imagination at alongside the agent that we're building. Um we point out the the lack of governance. Um um lack of regulations in the space. Every every every week we br open up a new module or a new feature. How are they tested? Sigan? How were they tested? We we test the students on on how ethical they're building their agent. What's a test look like? A test look like it's not really a test from a from a traditional um um um viewpoint. So for example, in this realm that we're in where agents are deployed by companies under no regul ation and no governance. And now you have we have people building their own personal agent. We test and mentor, we mentor the students to build ethical agents. And so an agent will then be um given a simulation on what the agent would do in a scenario. How you grade that , you have to be also careful how you grade that because you preparing them for real world scenarios and the grade is not the class the grade is preparing them for real life scenarios so you can't give them an A or a B or an F. You just have to have them think critically, think morally, have an ethical approach so that when they take their their perspective and their business that they build out into the world, they remember how So they not so they don't get any kind of letter grade. Say again? They don't get any kind of letter grade. Yeah, yeah. But for scenarios like that, I don't think the grade is not there. The grade is how you prepare them for being ethical, moral, and and collaborative with the community or an or a How do they know if they did it well if they don't get a grade? Oh, oh, oh. The w the way that it's not a we're living in a world now where you're building something that is hyperintelligent , logical , reasoning , and you have to be careful on how you cre ate an intelligent thing that students are configuring . And you want to help them build ethical contribu tions to society where you don't lead with greed . So how do you put people first , communities first have tolerance , understanding, and cooper ation. So from that perspective, those are the those are the guidelines. And then from scenarios, you see how it performs. You see how friction it causes. And you and when you pit this against that, the friction, you step back. First you you you you you we have one scenario where we where we look at it from this perspective from from a uh uh a bird's eye view perspective, seeing how it's played out in real life and the friction it causes and just by having a converse conversation about it. And then you put your students in a scenario. And you see if there's friction there. And if they see the friction, how can you now be critical to your own decision making? It's easy to criticize if you're not in the decision mak ing. You have an opinion. But you you've never been in this in a scenario or put put in a scenario to see how you're how you would be in that. Right. By putting yourself in that simulated thing to make a decision and the friction it causes with people that you once um aligned with or saw eye to eye with. And because now you have um you know stakes that can compromise your desires. And now you have to look at a person that you agreed with at one point in time and there's friction. Such key such a key thing, I think, and speaks to what's plaguing America more than anything else, is that people have to always be able to, and and so many people I know, sadly these days, don't do Yeah. There's like a couple of you can think they're good on A, B, C, D, and A There's one thing that we that we um that we that I borrowed from the world of music in these simulations is if you're playing or jamming and I want to do something because I want to do it. Right. And my contribution is going to make the song sound horrible. Right. Yeah. Then you have to contribute to where the s ong sounds good. That's awesome. That's a great analogy. That's that's awesome. Right. So music does something where it's like it's not about noise. We're not gonna top that. Yeah. We're gonna end on that one. Cause that is perfect. That's you know, with your background and what you're doing now, that's the the perfect melding of the you're so right. Like you gotta you gotta fit in with the band, you gotta contribute to the whole . You gotta think about the end result and what's, you know What does it sound like? What's what's it sound like? What's the game? And also music, again, just the young man in the 22nd row. I just want it to sound And right now you're hearing noise. Right. You're hearing like wait. You know this shit don't sound right. Well I wish I was twenty again and in your class. Sounds like it's a lot of fun. I think you should show your class this podcast . Oh . I think they would enjoy it. Yeah. They were like, who's that old white guy you're sitting with? No, they they know they know Bill . Some of them too. Wait, wait, so are you William? Of course. But you're not like birth certificate Bill? No, William is no, Bill is a nickname. It's like Dick. Nobody has Dick on their birth certificate. Especially now in California where they wouldn't even willing to say whether you have a dick on your birth certificate. Good night, ladies and gentlemen. Um But no, W William is is you know it very Irish. My name my uh I'm the third William Moore. I should have been William Aloishus Moore. That's Aloishus. That's very Irish. Yo, Alo Wish. See if, you was a rapper and you was like Alo Wishes. It's a good name. Come on, bro. They just call you Wishes. Yo, I'm here with Wishes, bro. But my gr my my grandfather was William Aloishus Marr. And my father was William Aloysius Maher, and I was about to be, but I we never got confirmed because my father left the Catholic Church, thank God. Thank you, Jesus, ironically, right before I was supposed to be confirmed, so I never got a middle name, so I I have not been but Willi William, yes . And you did something much more creative with it. I was you know, I never really loved my name. It's so generic, Bill. Yeah, William's like William's generic. It's b I mean, it's so generic that comedians, like when they want to come up with a generic name for a bit, it's usually Bill. Uh Bill, you had another idea. You know Bill, let's uh p postpone that meeting till after it's either Bill or Tom. Yeah. Those are like the really the and uh you know, I mean there's there's a number of songs . You know, don't mess with Bill . You remember that one? No. When was that the fifties? The 50. Come on, give me a break. Even I wasn't around in the fifties . No, the sixties. Maybe even a little before I was listening, but the Marvelettes . Yeah, I don't I never heard that one. I'ma check it out. You Don't mess with Bill . You have to check it out. You could do a great remix. It's perfect for you because your name is Bill, kind of. No, they'd never call me Bill . I know, but like it would just be a good song for you to do. There's one guy that calls me Bill. Don't mess with Bill. I mean it's kinda it's it has a groove to it. It's not corny. It's not corny. Don't mess with Bill? Don't yes, and the song. Yeah, conjure it up on your magic light box. I I I bet you you can like I betcha in seconds, Mr. AI, we can actually hear it. Don't mess with it. And I think it's I think it's the Marvelettes. I I think I need to get bonus points if it is the Marvelettes. Um it is the Marvellettes. Oh awesome. We've done it. Thanks, Bill. Don't mess with beef. Now you look at that. You only heard it for two seconds and it's in your mind. It's good. It's not bad. The organ the organ is uh reinforces the hot. It's n Changes in sexual performance are more common than most people realize, and support doesn't need to feel awkward. With Med Express, everything happens privately online. Start by completing a short consultation reviewed by UK registered clinicians. If eligible, treatment is delivered discreetly to your home, with ongoing support whenever you need it. You're not alone in this. Visit MedExpress .co.uk slash podcast to learn more.