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I can tell that we aren't gonna be friends I can tell them we are gonna be friends Hey there, welcome to Conor O'Brien Nes a friendriend. I'm Conor O'Brien prize, joined by Son of Obsessian. Hello, Matt Gorley. Hi. And very exciting show today. And I'm excited because this is a follow up. You know, every now and then something comes up in a podcast and maybe it piques the listener's interest and then we get to follow up with new information that changes the whole story Do you know what I'm talking about here,? Yeah. onon't you take the ball? Well, in an episode not long ago, we were talking about the epic time that Edrardo called Conan a littleittle bitch. Yeah. Yeah., Well I don't know if it's epic time. It was epic Maybe in the darkest hour. One for the ag the history of our history of our nation Monument. Touched my pearls the hero of mine. And actually we were all reveling in it. that yes. and just make it clear, we were talking on a certain subject and then Eduwardo out of nowhere just called me a little bitch out of nowhere They know out of nowhere Yeah, I think we're gonna to litigate this again because I'm talking about the time we were talking about that time whichich was very recent. But it didn't bother you at all because you don knowt, you know know, it's sort of felt a little out of left field and not at all in keeping with my stature. But yes, we were discussing that time. Everyone here of course was doing the haa wasn't that great. wasn't that great. Conan sure got his. And then Sony, you admitted Something that's kind of surprised us. I kind of stopped us stopp. I don't think I would ever I don't think I could ever call you a bitch. It just feels like. And then you said, you still have a little bit of professional fear and I I think I do And it was it was so funny because you have kicked my ass to the curb in so many different ways. I called you a Dick. Sure. I've called you an asshole. Well, I am those things. Yeah. yeah, yeah I don't know why bitch feels like it's a little too harsh. No, but to you, it stopped you a little bit and you were surprised that Eduardo said it. Yeah. and you thought I couldn't go that fares Okay. well Some information has come in over the transansom. and Matt, you were the keeper of this information. Care to tell us about it? Well, as soon as we left that segment, Sam Curry, who handles all the wonderful social media, put a clip in all of our faces. Let's just roll the clip We can talk shit, right? The dreaded Sonum Obsessian, who's terrific at Cornhole. Yeah. I'm terrific. Come on bitch. Fucking can't throw you bitch. What wasted height. God, This is embarrassing for you. Loser I can't can tight any interere. I'm not worried about this at all. I can't get better at this. I mean, we did a competition where we built wooden airplanes Youin Dork. noone's getting h because he's loser. I don't think I've ever seen his th anything. Let's try back. for. Yeah, I do have a Twice, twice, you call him a little bit. Tice, you call me a little bitch. And that's one of seven hundred Awful things you said to me, just as we're playing cornhole within like a two minute period. Oh my go. You called me little bitch twice. I was brutal. I was. So what explain? Yeah. How can you think you've never done it because you never in a million years would and then you said it twice in within seconds each other They legitimately thought that I had never called you a bitch I really did. And then the moment that that started, I was like, I remember that. And I think that Can I canan I say something in my defense? Sure. I Please love Dar it. I had I at that point, I was buz buzzed. I was buzz. Were you drinking That was of those was one of those Sores. Smer Smore. so you were drinking alcohol. Yes, I was. I don't even remember, but you probably made the cocktail I did, I think. Yeah. I in there do you think. Liquid courage. was it? Yeah. So The chocolate one Whp, no. I don't know. Okay. I guess my point is Your defense is that you were drinking. We all know that in Vino Veritas truth comes out of drinking All that reveals is that you are little think I'm a little bitch. Here's what I know I know I get competitive and I know we were competing and I'm even more competitive when I'm competing against you. Yes. And you'd been drinking. And I've been drinking. So you're trash talking. And I love to just trash talk. And you're a little bitch Well, Yes. I mean, we'll get to that later. Whether or not I am a little bitch. we have I just came back from the doctor. the tests are in We'll talk about that a little later. I think this also means I clearly don't have any sort of professional. You don't. Also, if you remember I demolished you in that cornhole game. I beat you and you were ad You were really mad. And I think that's where a lot of this came out. Yeah, that was like an uncomfortable day. I remember feeling like my parents were fighting. Oh. I wasn't fighting back. I don't No, you were smug as hell. You were so smug. You were the worst person becausecause I won in Cornhole, which means that I'm the best person that ever lived. No, you are an awful person to lose. I'm already competitive and then went look at your stupid face right now. Look at your stupid face. Hey, if you want to see my stupid face, go to the video on teamcocoo dot com d Oh you're sm you're smug just thinking about it. R remember how cranky you was? The whole thing started with you complaining about ducting for like minutes. covered in ducting in conduits. And hey, get me started on conduitits and I need a drink But the facts are the facts are that you were shocked that Eduardo called me a little bitch. I was. You said I would never do such a thing. And then we immediately, thanks to Sam Curry, had footage of you calling me a little bitch, not once, but twice in rapid succession. R So what else have you done in your life that you think you w around thinking I didn't do that. I would never I would never kill a hobo. You guys never had those nights where you went drinking and you woke up the next morning U A are you kidding?? What happened? Yeah. I once had a rum flavored lozenge and woke up in the library. You're looking at two little bitches here. Yeah, I'm a little bitch And by the way, thats big that's the big reveal from my doctor is, yes, it came back. No When I used to go out and I would, you know, I would drink pretty heavily and then I remember sure. Don' don't add Don't add commentary. Okay. Oh sorry, I thought this was a podcast with my fucking name on it I don't need your audio additions. right on this podcast. Okay. I do. and I think I would it's not that I blacked out, it's that I was loopy doopy. You went into a fugue state. Then I went into like man You' like limber and loose and chill and we're competing against each other and you're a little bitch. And I was like just shit talking. Okay, so now we do. You know what, now I think Edardo's looking at you and he's like game recognizes game. You too. Oh sure. You probably incepted it in my mind I I know where I got it from. Yeah. There's a little bitch virus going around Well you know what? there's nothing I can say other than I probably had a We saw the line here. we saw that you did indeed call him a little bitch and you are indeed a little bitch. We did it. Yeah ye Yeah. we did. We solved a lot of problems here and I think everyone listening can rest eas. And I drank too much. I don't even remember who won I don't even remember who won that game. Do remember you won Sona? Yeah, sure, sure you did Well, we have We have a wonderful show today. And I think we should begin. Okay My guest today is a comedian and actor. It was late. it's so funny, you. feel like sometimes you in your mind, you're like, is this an intro we for sure? I don't know My guest today is a comedian and an actor whose latest comedy special, Tian Scotch is available to stream on YouTube. This gentleman is one of my all time favorite people. I love it when he pops in Osald, welc I'm on that one of those promo death marches for my special. Yeah. And listen, I'm flatter that anyone wants to talk to me, but there is nice occasionally a show like this where we're clearly just bullshitting and Yeah there isn't that like it's coming out here and push it, push it, push it. We're just this interview I'll be amazed if we even mention the special. Yes. We're going to wander around everywhere. We will, but it'll be a miracle when it happens. It will be it'll be like it'll be like a little easast egg that pops up like, Ohh, that's right. We're doing that.. There's a reason he came by. Yeah. But on the way we'll somehow mention Marty Allen and the Treaty of Dent It'll be the most Treaty of Dent said it. Oh God. o God, That's how all kids who are like fourteen and fifteen, all fourteen and fifteen year old girls know me as the guy that talks about the Treaty of Gance. It's their favorite topic At the food court. Yeah at it. They're all eating Swedish fish and gummies and They know you as the man to stay away from Yeah Yeah at the all because I talk about the Treat of Gan. Oh he's gonna know' funny you're gonna quiz us again It's so funny you bring up this the media deeath March, which most people aren't aware of because in this siloed world, they come across the thing that they like and oh, great, you know, patent's on, but they don't know that in order to reach a number of people to watch your special They need you had to do one hundred and seven of these. I swear to God, this is a thing that was said to me. Maybe seventy five times on the old Late Night show and shows after that, but over like a twenty eight year career of doing late night television. Many times, much more than you'd think, people said to me, oh my God, I've been doing so much press, but this is the last stop. And they would say that without any sense that it's insulting. Yeah. Like I did everything and then you know, we all know Yeah at the very end if there's time, if there's time You do the Conor O'Brien thing I swear to God. They said that so many times and I would like look out my at my two shot camera and go why? Wh? That's being broadcast. Yeah. Pe hear that P Here's one of those things like when I do double Threat with Tom Shoppping and Julie Klauser Oh, this is the dessert in the middle of all of the because we were talking before we went on when you're promoting things now, it is you are doing a million. It isn't even talk shows anymore. It is Yes you just you have stunts lined up all day. You're going to go on this thing. you going to both be at a at a at a salmon hatcher eat and and you're going to be following you're going to be, you know, squeezing the thing to get the Whatever the row. Yeah the row out and then you'll be talking of it's called All in a row Yeah with a microow Yeah. and listen, it'ss eight hundred billion viewers. They love watching celebrities squeezing out sam. were we were taling at this because I did this I was telling you, I did this movie with Rose Byrne last year and they said, you know I've never been movies. And so I was new to all of this. And it used to be, oh to promote your movie, you'd go on maybe one maybe two late night shows. This is back in the day. It's all changed seismically since then. Yeah. So the next thing I know seically is a good way to put it. Yes. I am talking to A young woman's interviewing us while Rose and I are finger painting. And and then that would be over and they'd say get over to the finger pints., get over to the fingerpints. And then they'd bring in a little blonde Austrian boy named Guther. and he his bit is you both have to put on Flemish armor while Guther throws ping pongs at you, ping pong balls and they have little questions and you have to catch them and then answer the questions you catch And nine hundred billion views. And you do these And it's one thing for me to do it because people are used to me being humiliated all the time, but Dame Judy Dent, right has to be lowered into a giant toilet filled with hot caramel. and then the person asks her questions about her career And it's called, you know, shaousen. Yes exactly. We're pr promoting the movie the Queen and what better way to do it than on Royal Fush. Yeah. Yeah. that's where we But okay, here's what's even weirder though. You're in a movie called If I hadad Legs, I'd kick you, which is a very like kind of it has funny parts to it, but it's a drama. Isn't It's darkance. It's dark drama and you're doing Finger painting. Yes. So that's like having Willam Dafoe and Charlie Sheheen like doing playing Ganipanop going, go see pllatoon. Yeah. It's a really dark movie about Oh you got through the loss of America's innocence. M man's in humumanity toand. Got it. My hippo beat your hippo I guess I was hungrier Willam. No, it is it is what it's become. And so here's another thing I'm gonna to be I'm in Toy Story five. It's coming out in June. Now you did Ratatui and it was probably a long enough ago that there was some some of this, but now it's gone haywire and al I've done things where I'm they'll say, now they don't even trust us to know the context. They don't even trust the comic or the performer and know the context. So they'll say just say Robadope squiggly D. And you go Robadopepe squidly D. And they say now say Robod doope squidgly D. Hello Brazil And then they get all these things out of context and you do it and they say, trust us, it all fits into a bigger thing because you know, Tom Hanks has done it and Tim Allen's done it and you know Joan Kusak's done it. And when it all fits together and is shown around the world to nine hundred billion people, it's really funny. And I'm like, how old are you I'm twenty one. I'm in charge of all Disney Hulu Pixar. And so it's amaz anyone and the success of this movie hinges on me getting to these outlets all these online outlets or you're screwed if you don't have me. Yeah, yeah. yeah. it's just fascinating to me how This is what it is and I'm a big believer in. you don't don't I'm not complaining about it. I'm marveling. M that it changed. that it just all changed. and now it's this and I'm an old white guy who's like, whoa, look what's happening. You know, just losing my relevance fast, but I'm just enjoying all the changes. Yes, and I'm enjoying and I'm very anxious to see who is going to do the next great like producers' Dr. Strange Love style satire on this moment. Like what how crazy this is. Yeah. But it's going to be hard I I'm in a movie called The Goat. And it's a delightful animated movie. and so to promote it U We a bunch of the actors, we all went and did goat yoga They filmed us doing goat yoga. so there were there was a goat on my back and it was I don't want to get graphic, but it was Sprain go hts. and apparely by the way, not graphic at all. Well, yeah. I literally just said, I don't want to be graphic. Sprain And by the way, what Iend on your back. turds come out like pellets. These are these little pellets sh. It's a giant pez dispenser. It is. But as I' doing this, they went, okay, cut and they're doing this, but I'm still have a go on my back And it's spray for a second and then somebody was on there fr they went Oh man, we just went to war with Iran And then the goat started spraying pellets again and I'm just like so Where was Where was Hollywood? When the war was declared they just cut to me like a goat Yeah. Well, Pat Oswald was fully on the F of America doing his part for our boys overseas. I just love Hollywood. answers the call.. But I'm telling you, you're a regular capraa? Yeah ye. But you know what? you can't think of something You No, you can't think of anything. That's weirder or funnier as a comedian to parody this than what's really happening than what you're doing. You with a goat on your back as it shoots pellets out its ass was a real thing and that's what one, you know, and and I accept it's Go eat hot wings, you know with San. Yeah, ye goo eat chicken on a chicken shop date. And those their shows are really funny. The interviewers are great. I love it all, but it's fascinating that those shows now, you know, people talk about late night TV and what's happening to it. And I think, well, obviously there's a political component to it and there's all kinds of stuff going on, all kinds of factors, but none of us can comp no Late Night show can compete with these shows that cost two dollars to make. Nothing. And they're watched by You know, hundreds of millions of people all around the country. It's kind of stunning. I someomebody I remember I did a late night talk show. I won't say which one, but they basically said Um No one's actually watching this show. We hope onene of our clips goes viral tomorrow. That's where we get our viewers. That's where the promo happens, which is why there are so many stunts and craziness going on, they want the viral moments. Yeah. And and no one has the patience now. I just rewatched the there's that Dick Caveat episode where they remember they're promoting husbands. So it's Peter Falk, Ben Gazara and John Casavettis come out and they are tanked and the and it is it's like a better movie than the movie they're promoting is them drunk and and Ben Gazara takes his shoes off at one point and Castavettes falls asleep and like it's such an event and now that would have to be cut up into little seven second things. You w't you wouldn't watch the whole event anymore. Yeah. No it reminds you of the way things have changed that Dick Caveat could, you know could have James Baldwin on and they could talk about the state of being Back in America for like thirty five minutes. Yeah. It was one of the most celebrated authors of all time. and it's, you know But now they would say, you know, that's great, mister Baldwin. We want to talk about that. But first, you have to hold this exploding pig. We've stuffed a lot of starbursts into it and they're time to go off in five minutes. and then when it blows, you have to catch as many in your mouth as you can, but one raspberry and you got a google point, whichich means you have to sit on the Bomban throne Yeah W all of the things that you're describing. I would watch everything you're describing. mister Bolwin, that was a really incisive takeo white liberal. Try the next hot sauce. You there. Yeah. Are you feeling it yet? is one. 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Visit petivity d. com P E T IV Iy d. com to learn more about all the Petivity smart devices and at home health tests Whenever I talk to, I'm reminded that you have this insane knowledge of history and also movies, pop culture. And u All I will say is that there's a thread around that you are part of and a bunch of other really sharp, really funny people. And I rarely contribute because I have a knowledge of these things, but I can't keep up with you guys. I feel like someone who's got a single shot Deringer and you all have these very sophisticated gas powered Russian machine guns firing away And I'll just and a combinate the word and say a combination of genuine knowledge of history and then the most useless Jobiz trivy you've ever heard equal amounts. And this is one I want to bring up because we might as well go for it. There's this obsession that you and your cohorts have. and I think I have it a little bit too, but not as much as you guys with There was everyone knows Jerry Lewis and Dean Martin, Lewis and Martin. And then at some point it was decided there should be It was guess a rip off or something, but it was these two guys who were supposed to maybe like, okay, Lewis and Martin are kind of winding down. so we've it's a shameless. It's two guys One is Sammy Petrillo, the other is Duke Mitchell, Mitchell. and And it's N it's Martin and Lewis, but it's not not Martin and Lewis and it wass kind of horrifying Like when they replaced the Duke brrothers. I Duke that is and by the way, I'm not saying this be duke. that was subtle compared to what we're talking about. Yeah. And like This mutant amplified version of what Martin and Lewis were. They were in an Eichkelbex, sameamy Patrolllo and. Duke Mitchell and Sammy Prell doing Jerry Lewis like almost like it's body horror. Like like it looked like his face was going come apart. It so unsettling. It's a real thing. And then they they do these movies like Seny Petrollo and Duke Mitchell meet they did one movie. They only did one called Bella Losi meets a Brooklyn gorilla There's no Brooklyn gorilla in the movie. There's, I mean, a guy get Duke gets turned into a gorilla I can't believe I just tried to qualify that. I just said, Duke gets turned into a gorilla So there a gorill It's Batelagosi, at the height of his morphine addiction. It's these two and that goes on the poster too. at the height of his morphine addiction. You've never seen him like this before. Goof to his eyeballs Yeah, we went we all organized the night to go see it at the new Beverly recently. Yeah. I think I was doing a travel show. I would have gone to that. I was out of town, but you know, I check in on this thread because you guys are going all the time. I mean, you guys are chattering away at four AM and occasionally, you know, when I'm up in the night to apply a cream or an ointment I'll check in with you guys and it's like, o my God, there it is. But you guys have this endless fascination with this mutant version of Jerry Lewis, which is a funny sentence. Yes. because you don't need a mutant version Jer. But they found one. They found one and they're like it's in the f why they both look like them in a bizarre way. Yes. Yes. exxactly. Yeah But you can see man it' like You can tell how angry Bel Legosi is being in this movie. likeike he is openly snapping at Sammy Petrillo. and unlike The Jerry Lewis movies where when Jerry's doing his stuff, People are kind of laughing or enjoying it. All the other characters in this movie are openly hostile. It's like, shut up. Stop like they're just yelling at him. You're not is he Martin and Lewis? No stop this and then they Listen Let me tell you what this Listen. like I like how you just said, listen, like this marriage is over. No no, no. I want to show you the essence of this thread One night, we for some reason, we started all texting and emailing back and forth about Spie sales And sales. Yeah. And then you chimed in and it was it is three AM. I'm in a tent in Africa. This is the one hour that I get Wiifi and you have me looking up Spy sales videos like You Like you're literally in the cradle you're in the cradle of civilization and you idiots I'm watching Soupy sales videos on YouTube what's amazing is you guys draw me in. Oh yeah, and you were talking about the Ritz brothers That was that might have been it. I think it was the Rich brothers. The Rich brrothers who were sort of a version, you know, they Mutant Marks Brothers. Mutant Marks Brothers. And you were talking about one of the Rich brothers and I I am in Ghana. And I'm shooting a travel show. That's right. And I'm shooting a travel show and can't sleep and it's three in the morning and my phone goes I'm like what the hell? Maybe it's Liza contacting me to say that our house was just stolen. And I look at it and you guys are all talking about Harry Ritz and what happed Harry Ritz, he was the funny one. I wanted him to leave brothers He wouldn't do it. He wouldn't do it he was. But then he made this movie late in his career and addam kn's kind of embarrassing I'm suddenly looking at clips of it and then I come into Harry Ritz's defense And I'm like cl click click click click cl Yeah Yeah. And yeah, you're again, I am in the cradle of civilization in a tent. I should be on the belt connected to the H's hereere's what made me laugh so hard. I've always I've never mentioned this to you. I when you when you said, I'm in a tent. in Ghana and I'm looking at Rich brothers videos on YouTube. I just picture like there's this L a like a cheetah or something like in the Bush' like looking over and there's this all silent tent and suenly this little light goes on in the tent. you hear mister Man he. He went away one day. Ohh and he like just these little rich c This cat's like fuck is that weird I doing? I' just trying to get away. But that happened at one point there's a little glowing on in a tent and that was Conan Because of us. Oh my go. I just love. But I just I had to bring that up because if you if you guys want to amuse yourselves Simi Petrillo Duke Mitchell are And also there was this feel there was this almost sense. I remember reading an interview with Jerry Lewis where he he blessed these guys. He was like I blessed them at first. He blessed them because he said, well Someone's got to keep it going because we're almost, you know, we're winding it down and I want to I'm tired. And so I want someone to take over. being Jerry Lewis. and I thought, that's not how it works. We don't need someone else. Maybe you should go away. for a while. I just love the idea that I would say, you know what? I'm stepping I can't step down yet because I haven't found someone else Who can be that have the funny name and the hair and the, you know, the pitchy voice? I haven't found someone who would disconnect from the atmosphere of Africa to watch Souie sales getting hit the pie at three AM That and I'll know that when I see it in his eyes, I'll know it but I haven't found anything then I can rest. then I know. Th I can retire to my ancestral mance and write my memoirs when I find another idiot to do this shit that I'm doing. But I think one of the reasons that we we are so obsessed with this stuff is because you know, showhbiz is a is a Ver Rough this is nothing newude, but showb is very up and down and there can be extremes of up and down. And some people, they think the up will last forever and it doesn't. and you still have to show up when you're not necessarily doing what might be the most glorious or looked at work. And this past week with You know, like Netflix is a joke. I know that a lot of people are like, well, this guy' in an arena but you get to do comedy you still get to do it and you get to show up Nicholas Cage has made some bad movies, but he was never bad in them. He showed up and did something unique. And even with when you watch Bela L goosi, meets a Brooklyn gorilla as pissed as Bayla is with Sammy Petrol, who's literally hanging on him. And one time he openly yells at him and it's clearly not in the script. He just is like go close at Cage like just screams at him But he's still showing up and doing the work like he and that always fuels me when I see that's why I'm obsessed with that level of showbizz. You and I have several things in common and I believe our height, our brute strength. Yeah,. Our Celtic blood.. But you know, like one of the things that U I think you've made this point and I've made this point which is that We weren't class clowns. I was never a class clown. And in fact, I never liked the class clown. Not that I was jealous. I just thought he's making too much noise. Its And I was very quiet and kind of shy about being funny. I was I wasn't the class clown, but I was in the class clown click In other words we were the comedy nerds, but we weren't the Hey, it was the we knew all the routines. we knew all the I mean we like went deep when when other kids When other kids were like, quoting Mononey Python, My group could quote, Derek and Clive Like we would always go for the even deeper stuff Yeah, you know, Yeah, it was that that's the kind of comedy we want And so you would you're not the kind of person that would get up in front of everyone else and do something when you're in high school or grade school. And I'd feel a little So When you get into stand up, Did you have to fight through a reluctance to get up in front of people to in order to do it? Yeah, I had to it's weird For the first thing that I did was because I was so reluctant to go up, I did this bigger version of myself to hide the fact that I'm not comfortable with myself being up here. So it was a very much a stage persona and a stage presence. and it took me like six years to work through that. It wasn' until I moved to San Francisco four years into it and I started seeing comedians like Brian Husseainin and Margaret Cho and Greg Barnt and Greg Prouopps that were actually themselves on stage rather than Hey, I'm talking to you now, you're going on. I got to get into my state. They could literally be mid sentence ago. I'll be right back and they would just talk And so now it doesn't really feel like I'm nervous when I'm on stage because I've become so comfortable just being up there and going, this is what's going on and here you know, and I've also got over the whole let me point out what's stupid about the world and here's my cool take. now my my of view is so much more. Listen to this idiotic thing I did. You're not going to believe this. like it like it's more insightful that way. But it's weird. I had to get over that byy first embracing that out of nervousness and then Now I can just kind of be myself. It takes years to grind that out of you to the point where you can go up and say, I know who I am, you know who I am. Yeah. That's one of the things on the one hand, I'm so glad with a lot of the new online media and cell phones and social media that people have way easier access to the gatekeepers don't quite have the power that they used to have. I don't think there are gatekeepers There really there's not really anymore The one bad thing about it is what you just talked about the years that it takes for you to get through that persona sometimes and become yourself. A lot of people because they're immediately filming themselves as they start, they're not they don't have those years in the wilderness that people like my generation had where you figure out who you are and a lot of people are getting stuck in a very early persona that they're comfortable with But as they grow and mature and evolve, they're like, I don't want to do that anymore. I want to do this thing. You know, like I just think of all of the rock stars that we know and love now that what if they had been stuck in their early personas forever? Well, I brought know, my example was if The current world had existed in nineteen sixty two Yeah. Everyone would have been sick of the Beatles before they even got to the Ed Sullivan Show. Yes because they would have seen, I mean, no matter where you're the world, you have seen thousands of hours of videos of them in the cavern Club.. and then British Beatle Mania, they're touring they're in the Netherlands, they're in Germany, there' and then they're coming to the Ed Sullivan showh. Yeah, we know. we know. And you know what? I think their best work was their early work Yeah to us that was the big introduction. and they had been had their legendaryere did they come where did this come from? Haircuts. Yes ye. And so and we would have seen a version of the Beatles and that's how we would have pegged them. Yeah. They would have been the ones in the German Strip cllub in Hamburg in the leather jackets, lighting condoms on fire and throwing them into the audience and doing antics and being crazy like That's the beatles I know. And then by the time Brian Epstein got a hold of him made them the ones that became they're like, I don't know put the let guys gooballs. Yeah. Yeah we wouldn't have accepted it. No, I think that's that's it's weird to say, but it was a luxury. Although now there seems to be quuiet rebellion against that where there does seem to be whatever the generation after alpha, a lot of them seem to be like, you don't need to film me yet. We'll wait until I figure it out. whichich is because they're learning from the mistakes of the ones that came before them. Yeah. A lot of the influencers that are now trapped in the Oh God, I got I got a muk bang again. That's what people are watching. I gotta eat ten cans of baked beans if I want to sell my new book. don't Anyway, my guest today is Conan O'Brien. Conan. show coming out? Yeah Conan. Why are you wearing a yating cat? It' something I thought I tried in nineteen eighty two that I thought I should bring back out again. You look like an idiot. You know, one of the things that your fame and your success is not wasted on you because you get to do all these things that you're genuinely passionate about you get to into these projects and these things not just stand up, but there are so many different ways that you have taken your, you know natural ingrained obsessions and then you get to jump into, you're in this Star Trek strange new world. Yeah. And you' you're like, this is I could picture you If someone suggested this to you when you were eleven or twelve, you'd say that's insane. That could never happen. Right. And also the fact that I am in a show that is being made by people that grew up at the same time as me, that loved Star Trek that that also went. But what if this thing like everything that you love you will always then, but then why don't they add this aspect to it? So the fact that, yeah, I'm playing a Vulcan, but it's a Vulcan who's obsessed with human culture. 's Doug hisis name is He's a fken name Doug which is my favorite thing. But his parents were obsessed. so they gave him. it's the same way as like people like hippies giving their kids names, you know, like like American Indian names or first turned into like starshine Yeah. exactly. So why wouldn't that happen in another culture? Why wouldn't they try to do that? And he unlike Spock who kind of struck this balance. he's so clumsy with it Yeah, but because he really loves it and that's a really real Vulcan with an artistic edge withith an artistic edge. I love that as is are even logical. How can you be a Vulcan who's Like, well, that is I mean, I'm not it's I'm just curious how it all comes together. Uh, it comes together of I have to play it of all of my the way that I usually am passionate about something like on movie or something. But what if I have to I'm forced by my biology to always filter it through this calm logic and what would that feel like so it's always just like kind of bubbling underneath and you can see him wanting to you know, kind of pop up a little bit but he's like, no, that's that's what Vulcans do. I'm not capable of doing that even though I'm feeling Do he wake and bake? Is he He created He's constantly still very logical. I'm going to require a couple of days of bedrootting. like there's, you know, like I don't really know what what a Vulcan artist would do like that or Yeahah, how would he I am not feeling this, which is strange because I should not be ruled by my feelings and yet there is not I never thought about them out. You know what? I'm doing some more episodes so maybe they'll just about that. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. You know, it's it's a possibility. I'm there's another obsession I've had My head writer Mike Sweeney has it as well. We're both obsessed with the show that ran pretty much at the same time as Star Trek called Lost in Space. Oh Oh boy. Lost in Space is insane. And When you watch Star Trek It is It looks like the most the highest art possible when you compare it to Lost in space. Yeah. And there are these clips uh, on that you can watch on YouTube And the character to keep your eye on is dor. Smith. Dror Zacher for many reasons. For many reasons. He's played by Jonathan Harris, who doesn't just chew scenery. He inhales it into his lungs and then shits it out. It is amazing but really incredible. And the storylines, I think everyone was on acid who wrote this TV show, but my the other day I happened on one where An alien Ray turns Dr. Smith into a hippie and he's got long hippie hair and he's dancing. And of course, you know, you're like and there there's a crazy wacky because they' the clearly the show is trying to get down with the scene. Yeah.'s it's a bunch of fifty one year old writers probablyably at a Renmar or Warner Brothers like see this in the paper? Can we work this into the Wed this in an episode the hippie thing? Yeah. But how would there be hippies in face? Aray just st with array. everythingvery's just array. Yeah, ye. And then And then they would they would clearly to come up with ideas go to the prop shop at Warner Brrosers or wherever and thend say, hey, I just found a giant Cleopatra, you know, uniform. Okay U There's a big puff of smoke And a Cleopatra alien shows up And she has a ray that turns them all into mummies. Yeah. like just worked backwards from the costumes they are available. It's available. Yeah. there someomebody pointed out there's a there's an episode of the Outer limits h that is was the basis of the moie The Terminator, it was written by Harlan Allllison called Soldier And there's a helmet that this future soldier wears in his future soldier battles. And that helmet is the helmet that Robin Williams wears in the opening episode of Mor and Mindy when he comes to Eth. Same one again' same one. But they were just like, we need like Gary Marshall. He should wear some kind of O of space what can we use this? L they're just in the like you said, they're in the warehouse. but that's just alien thing. O like the famous guy in Empire Strikes backack evacuating Cloud City is carrying the space equipment, but it's actually an ice cream. I hear it churning away they've given him a name and a whole backstory They've they've written him into The thing he's a guy and and that ice creamt know it was an ice cream maker. Someone found out if you look at it, someone matched it with at the time, it was they just clearly just spray painted it white and go here. Yeah. But then they worked that prop into the first season of the Mandalorians It's a thing for transporting like biological matter so they had worked that into the Yeah. So that's what they work you could I mean, you live in this world that's so I mean, you know, people decry, Oh, the internet era and are we losing our humanity? like Yeahah, but think of the connections you can make. Yeah. you could do an amazing documentary where you someone could make an amazing documentary with a tracka prop that's made in the nineteen fifties for like a would be for like a like aie movie but then it shows up here, but then it shows up there because People didn't throw stuff away. No. And it went back into the prop room And I've been in some of the prop warehouses. There's stuff like, oh, if you shut shoot this from a different angle This could work as this. Yeah. but all those there's a Tom Sharpling who I mentioned earlier, does the best show does Carious so funny. He did this thing. I think about it like once a week. And I didn't know this u till he pointed out. You know the show The Monsters. Yeah, of course. Yeah. There's seventy three episodes of that show. Do you know how many seasons they ran? T, two two Yeah. And they so they were cranking that thing out and Tom was like, this is a writing session on the Msters Hermman in a like a baby bonnet holding a rattle yet. all right write that in. I'm going to go to Muso and Frank's have four Martinis and a steak and then drunk dririve home. I'll see you tomorrow. Like that is how those shows were What do we have? What can we use? Yeah. we got to do thirty eight of these But also no one was thinking about rerun No No one was thinking about this being a body of work Bx boxed set or box set. No one's thinking about that. Everyone's thinking Get this thing done, get it out, and then let's do another one. Let's get our check and then we'll go to Mous and Franks and drink at one o'clock in the afternoon. Oh, and there's Jack Webb at the next table and he's completely smacked. Yeah, and he's six martins ahead. Yeah. Yeah. But you look at these shows and you just see they weren't afraid to use all the same plots There's an same actors. Yeah over and over. and the same the plots over and over and over again. I same visors within the same show, different characters. Yeah. And one thing they did was, I don't know how many times when I was a kid growing up watching different TV sitcoms and reruns. I'd see The two people have a fight So it's like the skipper and Gilligan on Gilligan's Island have an argument. So they paint a line down the middle of the of the hut and then it's you stay on your side. I'll stay on mine. But your side has the has the door. thenen you'll have to use the window. You know, but your side my side has the food. Well, then you could, you know, it's And And then you'd watch the monsters and Grandpa and Herman have a fight and they paint a line down the middle of the road. And then you watch the monkeys and they do it. and you're just like no one had any shame about Nber seventeen Yeah. Let's crank it up for this wee Let's doing number nine on them. right We got to get listen. I got to get my martiniis. Its it's twelve thirty. it always was a white line too that even Yeah. And you know, yeah that kind of stuff is and also they they didn't understand well they didn't because no one could predict that. YouTube, freeze frrame, you know, being able to capture little moments' like, oh my God, lookook at this in the background, you know There's an episode of that that show The Naked City. Yes, which was shot just handheld in New York in the early sixties, which now It's so valuable because A, it's all the stuff in New York that doesn't exist anymore that they just casually filmed. And also it's all the first roles of people like Dustin Hoffman and Duvall and they're all in this as like day players. But there's a there's an episode with Burgess Meredith where he plays a Greenwich Village poet who wakes up drunk and there's been a murder and he doesn't know. And he stops at a newsstand to look at the paper Like what day is it? And behind him on the newsstand is copies of Aazing Fantasy number fifteen Which is the first appearance of Spider Man. Wow, just hanging there. and anyone and that person just put those up. or they went to that news, canan we just film here? Fine. D and then just walked.. And you know when the comics came the next week,y was like, w, these didn't sell. boom. Like that's that's millions of dollars of props just hanging there in the background Civity is an ecosystem of smart devices and at home health tests that help pet owners provide a new standard of care to the pets they love. You have a dog, Zona? I do. She's very special. I have two dogs and three cats. So this could be interesting for me. 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No one ever thought that they'd be whole cults of people that love to hate watch. and then have the power of freeze frrame. So recently, I think Mat O'Brian and I or Sweeney and I were watching one of the Death Wish movies with Charles Bronsson. And there's a scene where Charles Bronson wants to kill these guys in a restaurant and it's the most insane plot. He comes in pretending to be a wine salesman. He takes out w I'm not kidding He takes out know, he should just go in there with a gun and kill the people who singing doesn in every other scene. I know This one, he comes in pretends to be a w wine salesman And he's He goes over to their table and says, Hey, I got this wine here. You might like it. It's a good wine. And they're like, C, well we're okay,. he goes, It's spoking like a true wine And he goes Hey, it's hey it'sd. You ever see red wine see red? But you didn't think that something new. If you red. It's wet and it's red and it's wet on your mouth. you can sve it. And he he says He I think he opens the bottle and he sets it down in front of them. and then he gets real nervous and a guy says who's sitting at the table with the other mob figure says, hey Don't I know you? And he goes, I don't think so. I got to go. And he's trying to get away because clearly something's up with this bottle of wine And the guy goes, I think I know you. And and then Bronsson scquirams away and basically he runs off and runs into the kitchen of the restaurant covers his ears like Wiley Coyote, and there's a huge explosion. You cut back to the table, there's a huge explosion Freeze frame You have freeze frame now. So what they did was yay H we go. They cut to Charles Bronson running away and going to the kitchen, putting his hands over his ears. They cut back to the table. They replace the mobsters with mannequins. and put them in the same suits. It looks terrible and it's just two frames, but you can freeze on it. And Sonny these guys are Manins and then I guess they tried a real explosion, but it didn't work. so they just did One of those things where they made smoke go in front of the film in some awful way. So So you see these guys freeze right And thenre like They were just trying to get through the day and I'm watching it over and over. Do you have it? Yeah. overver and over and over again. and I'm just overjoyed. Do you want to see the little clip or just the manannequins? I want to see it. I can edit it down. Let's Edit it down. Go ahead. Let it roll. Let's have some fun Oh Chuck the beginning by the way when they the beginningphes on What a minute there Oh they already rigged this explosion. Charles had already left. Yeah mister Bronx has already left. justust do this. He's not here anymore. He starts by convincing him that he's really he's got a good wine. This is late death, which you can tell by his costume too. 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Look at the stains on the ceiling like I I just I just But here's the thing I always say there's good and bad in everything. and when people decry this new era we're in, I think of the joy that I have had on YouTube being able to frezestrame People just trying to get through the day or they're making this TV show in the sixties. They're doing the best they can. They don't think anyone's ever going to look at it air once, who's going to watch it again? Why would you They're never going W minute, someone's going there's to be a thing called DVDs. They're going to collect every episode and put it in a but That doesn't make sense. Who would do that? It's going be on a cloud that anyone can see at anytime. And people are going to have radio shows where they criticize it over and over and over again. Yeah, yeah, people are going have Hang on, a red headed giant's going freeze frrame this. him's gonna he's going to sit with a hobbit and they're going to laugh at our work That doesn't make sense. That'll never happen. You're in Far in Lala land. We'll be right back with more red headed giant Hit. Talk to me about tea and Scotch. This is you've done is this your tenth? eleventh? eleventh is my eleventh. Who's counting you? Wh Well, I mean that's I didn't even realize it was my eleventh so They were putting together all the promo materials and I was like this So that's, that's a I mean, this point now, I'm not trying to think in terms of I think that like posterity, reputation and cooler just traps to get get in the way of you doing the work you're supposed to be doing. It's other people that that sort out your legacy later do the work now Yeah. And but it took me a little while. I was getting in my own head about stuff. and now I'm just like, no, I get to do comedy and people want to come see me and I get to do venues that I really love. And this is me at a very, very small club. I did a club it's in Madison called Comedy on Maine. Comedy on state. a couple of years ago and it was I hadn't done club in like years. And they're like, hey, I was getting ready for do another special. They went, whyy't you do this little club to get ready The show was so electric The audien is right there. I was like How do I shoot something in this space small? So that's what I did. I directed it. We set up the you can see the other cameras, the lights like I wanted it to look raw. I wanted it to be And I don't fault anyone being in Big theaters and arenas, that's fine. There's something I just don't It's like some rock and roll when it gets too gigantic, it kind of loses the No, I've had the same thought many times that that's why some music just sounds amazing in a small club. It's why some food just, I don't know what it is, but it tastes better when it's a small restaurant Dan that you've grabbed now you're walking around, like you're just right there. Yeah. I had a small studio for the late night showh. Six A was a very small studio. and I remembered seeing it for the first time and thinking, this is too small. We need something bigger because we got do crazy ideas. We're gonna have a triumph the comic dog and we're gonna have, you know, you know, all these crazy characters and we're gonna do this big stuff It turned out it was such a blessing to have this small space. And I think that's something that's I now don't take for I don't take it for granted. I think it's really good somethingomet like this is evenven in that even in that small space, you feel that clock ticking tntil the next commercial break We can get at things that you can't get at on a TV panel segment because there's no clock ticking. We're going to talk and talk and well out some of the rough spots, but we're actually talking and there's a whole different what you always said about SCTV. It's the least needy sketch show ever done. and this format is not needy It's and doing a doing this smaller club, there was so less neediness about it because we're all right here. Yeah. I'm not like, oh Godd, I got this big theater. I got to I got to make their count. This is like we're doing a few shows, this little club. I can be loose. Yeah. and What I'm learning, especially, I don't know if you've seen Josh Johnson, right? Yeah Yeah. incredible turnover now is so much quicker. I can shoot this stuff, get it up on I'm on a new platform called eight hundred pound Gerilla.'ve heard Gill Gorilla Cedy plus And and get it up on YouTube so much quicker and be so much more immediate And so that feels like Oh, one less gatekeeper. want, you know, now I can just and I can set up the Next one, like once this comes out june ninth, I'll never do that material again. I'm working on the new stuff And it just keeps me working and There's just so much less pressure Yeah it just feels so much better Yeah know the u and the themes are exploring A they new themes? Well, there is there anything new in this that that I mean, obviously your stuff is always It's always fresh material, but is there a theme that has surprised you It's come along at this stage in your life? Yeah, the thing that has surprised me is I'm becoming way more and that I was kind of touch on this a little bit in the last special we all scream to, is that I'm becoming way more comfortable with being overwhelmed and not having an answer to things. And I think that comes with, I'm a big believer in you got to know when it's time to let the next generation kind of come up and maybe they have the answers that you don't. I think a lot of people white knuckle their youth and they white knuckle their authority. and you got to go And you can still I'm going to do comedy forever. I love doing standup, but there will be this embracing of this is beyond me at like I do a whole thing about AI and the whole point of the bitid is At one point, I'm like, I don't have an ending to this because this is such a massive subject, but that is so much more honest that I'm overwhelmed by the horror of this And I think that's a thing that a lot of comedians are nervous to embrace is that you will eventually come to a point where're like, I don't know what This is I don't know what is happening Yeah. This is, you know, I did my part. You guys got to do your part. I'm going to talk about the weirdness now off to the sides When someone tells me they're not sure I am Immediately attracted to them. I like them and I trust them. Yeah. When someone tells me I know exactly what's going to happen. and I know all things I u I want nothing to do with them. and there's a kind of comedy that I Never been a big fan of, which is I know and you don't Let me tell you how it is. Yeah. I'm gonna I'm here to tell you how it is. I'm here to tell you how it is. and then I've always liked people that admit that they're down in the muck with me. I'm in the muck. Yeah We're on the muck. Yeah, find help me find a way out here. It's what we talked about the last M was on the show that your term wisdom rock. Yeah you take wisdom Rock. It's that let me take my hand. No you're twenty. and there's a lot of that now in Um stand up. I think Mark Marron said, there's some comedians doing comedy and there's some comedians holding rallies. Yes. And and that was such a yes, that's kind of what's going on. And we need to get back to confidence of someone that can get up there and go, I have no idea. Yeah. I don't know what is going on mayaybe we will get to that, but that's that's where I am and I'm so much more comfortable being Yeah in that and also being able to look back Some of my earlier stuff were I was doing that. tell you guys how it is. Oh, you're twenty three That's why you're saying that because you know, which is a That's also kind of real wisdom is when you're like, let tell you what an idiot I was. used to say this kind of stuff. Yeah. if you can laugh at yourself at that period. Yes, so there's a lot of that and there's a lot of just very raw. Um, there's there's a lot of u A. My My my daughter, it's's it's the rel teenage right now is a teenager And so now it's becoming more about Oh, she's actually right about this and I'm not. and maybe I need to like, okay, you figure this out U that it's also an interesting place to get to where it used to be like, oh, here's this goofy thing that my daughter did and we got to help guide her. now it's like, o, my daughter just explained this thing to me that I didn't understand and just completely laid it out for me So that's really interesting The rules have shifted How old are your? U during the late forties. Oh wow.. So had my daughter about to move out. I had my daughter when I was nine No, I have a daughter who's twenty two and a son is twenty and but you know what? They've been smarter than me for so long and you will attest to that. Absolutely. They were when they were kid, little kids and would come by the office. Yeah. they were not having my bullshit. Anything technology related, we'd just be like ask Becket. was when he was like six years old. The times that I've handed my phone or iPad over it Alice and Goking