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Hello and welcome to Cnected episode six hundred and ten is made possible by our friends at Squarespace I am your annual chairman, Stephen Hackett and I amm joined by everyone's friend My curly Ii am everybody's friend. Hello. I am Mike Hury and I have the pleasure of introducing the keynote chairman Federico the TG Hi Federico. Hello, I'm nobody's friend Wow. It was lonely at the top That's what happens when you have the two time keyote chairman, you the rain and defendant. you get no friends. that's aonely job. It's a tough job, but somebody's got to do it. And you' doing it. You are in fact doing it. Speaking of which, so we had a constitutional convention on the last week's episode, where we changed some rules for the Rickies and Andrew wrote in and said there is a flaw with the bonus pick changes. I don likeaming to begin like framing. Andrew has decided apparently that there is a flaw Well I don't agree. Anyway. by not rolling over to the next year, there is now an incentive for your annual picks to all come true before a September or October event. Anything that happens in Q four is disincentivized because you do not get a bonus pick you can actually use Perhaps allow carryover, but they must be used in the first event of the New Year. Andrew, have you seen Q four in Apple News for the past few years. Like have you seen the stuff that happens in November?cemember? That was my first thought. I was like, wait, the phone's in September But a lot of years they do have an October event. It's like Mac and iPad stuff Yeah But also This is like, I think I I thought I mentioned at beginning, I have this thought, right? which is like The September event Easy to predict Yeah, is like picks on easy mode for the annual Rkies. So You need to pick if you want the bonus picks, you have to go a bit more ambitious That's what I think Byway, no, I'm happy with it. I think that that actually shows that there is a bit of an issue because more ambitious picks be potentially that October event I actually agree with Andrew We have created this like this like black hole at the end of the year No one can escape from Oh well Okay. So we're gonna leave it? Are we leaving it I mean, why So what do you want to do? You want to roll over the picks for all of Eeternity? Like what I think what Andrew's right? Like they roll over to the first event. of the year So WWDC. I mean, that is problem if there's not a march event, I guess. And then there so seldom is. so Okay I think youve gotta just cut it off somewhere I think we should just run it in the way that we have predicted. And if and if there issues, if their issues one Andrew gets to walk around saying he was right. But we can deal with it, like we need to deal with it, I guess. We need to experience it, which will be Yeah, but also we're currently experiencing it. In the next event, you we all have bonus picks Yeah, that's probably true. I haven't actually looked. But we do. we do I two and I have one Yeah So I graded it. It's not it's obviously working already. Yeah, I think it's fine. I just thought I thought it was Mike got really upset though. Yeah, because I don't like someone saying there is a floor. You know what? Arew your a floor. Wow. Okay And there goes Andrew's membership straight out the window. Well, you know, you got you went something to lose some. Wow I think that's how that works. Okay. I thought it was a point where it's discussing. Andre you're not a fid. It is a point worth discussing. We've discussed it, but I think it's fine as it is. And if it isn't, we'll just tweak it because nothing' says stuff forever. I don't want to create like a more like so if we're doing rolling over, we just added a new complication. and it was we were supposed to be simplifying this becausecause nobody liked the way that the previous bonus pick thing was working. Okay Well now nobody's a strong word. Okaykay. All three of us in the last episode said we didn't like it Yeah and that it was too confusing But like Okaykay, sure. Right. we' leave it as is. I mean nobody is in us three, you know Not the Andrews of the world Right. He had lay off Andrew man. comeome Do you know this Andrew personally? Like I I know some Andrews. I don't know the. I don't know which Andrew it is. I assume you don't like those Andrews I don't Oh, you do? Okay. Yeahah. All right Anyway, sorry, Andrew, but Thanks for the suggestion. Thank you for the suggestion, Andrew. I appreciate your love and care of the Rercy Constitution. That's much better. After an intervention from PR. Thank you, Mike. Follow up Federico, you laid a trap for yourself in the past that you fell into I did. You did. Yes. Yes. Yes, absolutely did. Well, can you blame me though? So yeah No, I blame. Let me tell you why. Let me tell Jhn I picked up your phone and did this. I mean. let me let me explain this concept to you, okay. sometometimes, many times in life If you have enough conviction and self esteem, you can be rightfully wrong. Okaykay? Have you ever been rightfully wrong? Let me tell you you need to lay out for me in then. All right. All right, so so we're looking at Siri AI and we're talking about Siri AI and I mentioned how for me It's kind of working, but some things, random things, strangely enough are not Like for example, I can create reminders, but I cannot fetch my reminders. I cannot find my reminders to today. And same with my calendar events. and same with some apps, but not others And so This has been going on for the first two betas of IS twenty seven, happens again, sometimes on the iPhone, other times on the iPad. And I think, well, that's very strange And Apple tells me, o, look, that that's a bug and we're working on it. we're like, okay, sure Now I get this message from a person Paul on Macedon saying, Hey, this is going to sound totally strange But I think I figured it out. I think I know what's happening with with You being unable to find reminders and Knter events in C AI and he tells me Take a look settings to open the settings app And then don't go in the series section Go in the separate search section and see if by any chance, years ago, you may have disabled Togggle under reminders or under calendars that says show content in search and try turning it on again and see if that actually fixes things for you because it did for me. because I was having the exact same issue as you. And I remember that years ago when spotlight on IOS was really bad and slow, I turned off some sources to speed it up and make it better But now that option was conflicting with Si AI in IOS twenty seventeen. And I thought, well, that's confusing, but sure I'll try And I did And sure enough It actually fixed it. Now, let me explain why I'm rightfully wrong Um First of all, this was a solution to a problem that was affecting me years ago. And so I had to find a way to make spotlight better on IOS by disabling some sources. Also, the design of those sources in spotlight at the time was terrible. Yeah. Now. Additionally Explain to me or the design or or lack thereof, I suppose, of heving IOS twenty seventeen twenty seven You keep calling it twenty seventeen, which is broken. twenty seven. twenty seven. It's twenty seventeen. These years are so confusing. Why did they stop calling IS eighteen, nineteen, twenty? That was so much better. Explain the t Explain to me why in IOS twenty seven We have Settings, search thenen a list of apps with a toggle called Sow content in seearch. And and another called show App in search But then you also have down below Settings Si Then if you scroll down, you have app access and then if you open the same app like calendar, you have U five toggles. Learn from this app, show in app showh On home screen, suggest app and suggestion notifications Why are Why is a toggle? controls Si AI behavior U Well, it's the index, right So This is not confusing to you at all Iy' not say it's not confusing but I'm answering your question Now tell me what you think. Tell me, do you think it's good design U No I don't think it's good design. I don't think it's good design. But I do it is interesting to me that you're just like This is not my fault Oh, it's not my fault. Okay. It's not my fault. I sure It's not my fault. Iagine imagine if you U, I don't know What's something dumb that your government has done? Mike I mean, besides Brexit I don't really want to play that game if I'm being honest with you. What Whenever I say, Federico, it's not the thing that people want me to say. Iagine Imagine that you had to find a workaround to something that was terrible, but you found a workaround years ago and now for totally unrelated reasons that you could have not foreseen at the time that work around back to b you to these traps. Yes. Yeah, Yes, yes. Look it's my fault The spotlight was horrible years ago, but now you cannot tell me that it's my fault if CAI is for some reason depending on that tole what to happen That results in the wrong section is the system should should ask you, right? Yes. The system should ask and you're going be like, hey, I see that you ask for reminders, but actually that access is disabled simple as that I cannot acccess this, wouldould you like me to turn it on? Yes I have question for you Federiico about your screenshot. So you have a reminder in this screenshot. which says More John feedback for Archive There a lot of text in this reminder You know what I do sometimes, John sends me many messages everyvery day And you make him pay for it. No, I just take the whole message, copy the whole text and I attach it to the nototes field of a reminder Right. Oh, so this is John said this Okay, I thought that this was like You know, you were like, I have some thoughts I need to put into this to this reminder and And no, no, Jh. I take the whole message that John sends me and I turn all of that into a reminder U Yeah. I mean, it's the only way to deal with John. John way It's not a criticism has many ideas, many thoughts, many comments, especially when he's testing something. He's very nitpicky And the only way to deal with the Is that a word like neat pickiness? It is of it all Pin Pickinness. Yeah, it's take the whole thing and save it somewhere. Yeah Yeah Mh. didid you deal with this feedback? I did and I don't know if the changes are live, but I did send the updated archive to our devopment M more feedack for Job I have some feedback for John. so For No, for everyone I was I was on LinkedIn the other day. Hey stop right there, stop right there. Why? I'm trying For what Are you lea I'm just trying to be a business person You know, Okay sometometimes you gott to post business things on LinkedIn so that other business people know you're a business person. I actually can't Judge I'm serving on a board at my University and serving on the board. I am. You guys are also you and Part of what we do is we give out awards and and we give out scholarship money to journalism students Is this how we get you to a doctor? Is this how we do? So So here's the thing. The thing that I had to post is like a Okay, please share this with your teetwork was the form to nominate people for distinguished journalism alumni, which is an award I desperately want from the University of Memphis. And now I think I can't earn it because I'm on the board It's hard to say, Oh that sucks. I may have overshot, but I will take an honor re doctorate, obviously So obviously, who would University of Memphis if you're listening and I know you are hit your boy up We have a big medal. So I post things on LinkedIn. Okay? No. This is something I've been trying to do more of recently While on LinkedIn, I was served a post from someone who is a creative director at Apple who were sharing their Can Lions entry for the MacBook Neo TikTok campaign. Now Wait canan you repeat that sentence? I'm going to give you I already knew this was going to be a problem, so I'm going to give you some context, right Can lions It's a thing which has now become something else because now like everybody on Instagram, TikTok, was it Can Lions U which they're now turning into a festival of creativity. It's just brands activating. But Can Lions, historically, it is an advertising award c like ceremony and brands submit their best advertising campaigns to Can Lions to hopefully win an award because people want awards I have been a part of once in my life, did win a canline I had already left the company, which was very frustrating because I would have loved to have gotten that because that was my idea. But anyway This person is a creative director at Apple, shared on LinkedIn their nomination slide, you know, because you put together like a one sheet presentation thing. for the MacBook Nia that they were a part of. So they submitted it to C Lions to win a Cn lion in the entry is the following quote TLD. became the number one citation in TikTok's AI search summary one brand new internet icon in quote L'll find a guy So this is the first thing I've been able to find of someone at Apple referring to the Finder mascot by a name Now, they put the name in quotes, right? because they don't actually refer to the character by that name in anywhere else in this presentation except in referencing to what the internet calls this character. So this is the closest I've gotten to my plea of Apple, nameame the mascot So just as you confirm you we are giving out awards to TikTok campaigns. It's advertising campaign So yeah gi an aal to any advertising campany All right and Look, Federico, it was a real good one. How maybe I should stop saying unpopular things, you know Please say it. G on? No, no. sayay it I think TikTok has ruining us as a species show on Yeah, that's not controversial. Yeah, but this is a different thing than that. I mean, I'm not disagreeing with that, but at all. In fact, I do agree with it. But this is just a thing that happened right? Like this is, you know, this is just a thing now This is the closest I've gotten. I like this person hold on a second. So this person, right Um They seem to be Pretty young Yes, they are a genza Right, what are they doing on TikTok? O LinkedIn They're a business person Right They work at a corporation, right? They work I'm just trying to reconcile the type of energy that I would expect from a TikTok campaign. and if you get ahead. If you, you know, you work Apple and you want to get ahead You have to be on LinkedIn and do exactly what this person did. I was responsible for this campaign, right? Like that's so they're only doing it. So it's like on their profile and it's like a thing that you can point to. For the same reason that I'm on LinkedIn. I'm like, hey everyone and LinkedIn, look at this successful kickstter campaign I had. Like that's whym that's what I'm doing on LinkedIn, right's so much business that I am You always have been though. Yeah, I mean I cannot I cannot do the things you do. I think that's fine. But that's because someone's got to do them, right Can you do it for me I think I do, right? At least we this is part of your business. Right? I did it. We're here. H I am onm being business for you You know? Do you need me to do more business for you? Doesn't John know that No I think Jon because we are yes, but also like we don't I think you're good at it, you know. Thank you. Yeah. I mean This is actually a I think you actually like it. Yes, I do like it. Yes. Yeah, see, that's what I'm trying to get at. Yeah. me and of you know arere having this conversation. just last night about You know, its just kind of reflecting on this month has been for me. And like this is the thing where I We're now entering into a conversation I wasn't expecting to have outidecast at all. No, it's totally fine. I don't have the skills that Everybody that I work with has. But what I'm good at business Like I am not as good a writer as you guys. I am not as thoughtful. I am not as intelligent I think in the things you are intelligent different ways I have a different intelligence. I have a different intelligence and I'm good with that. You' intntellectually shorter than Federico is what you're say? I' intellectually shorter than Federico. I amm creatively tinier than Steen. you know, this is just the way it goes But like you guys you're really good at the things you're good at. I'm not good at those, but what I bring to the table is things like that. L I can help with the businessy stuff, right? That's what I do. They go Can lions, everybody. Can lions everybody This has opened my brain to a hole Thank you, Mike. Oh, it's like it's a thing, man. Can Lions is like a thing. Because everybody just wants awards at the end of day. that's what it boils down to. And so this is obviousutely different from the Can music festival movie f festival film festival. It's only similar in that they're both in Cane. That's it. They both both in the two completely separate things. Okay They're completely separate. Yeah. Can This is the advertising festival essentially. and then you have the film festival. All right, perfect. G. Can is clearly a festival T Right, right. they're like you know, San Jose used to be a conference town. It's very much a conference town. It still is, but now nobody San Jose is now a desert town, but' a different topic. And to prove my point about everybody wants awards, we started this conversation with Stephven wantning a doctor So like everybody just wants awards and so sometimes No, you know what I want go to the south of France O one of my one of my lingering dreams is to get like one of those hororary grees Yeah, that's's that's what we're talking about for Stephen Okay. We all wish that a university will say you're a doctor now. Congratulations. You didn't have to do any of the work. Yeah, know, the university being just like you're too good to be just a regular person. We want to give you like a title. You're so good Yeah. You don't need to do any of the work Yeah for this. It wouldd be amazing, yeah. I'd love it I would love it. Hm Ferica, you were on a podcast I'm familiar with, Mac Power users. Yes. Oh, I gotta tell you, man, it's so much better since you left. can who cant say that? Holy c! say this. This is a joke about that. Oh come on, I can't joke about it? I mean, the guy' getting a A degree for free C to You down tonight and Stehven's looking in the mirror. And he's like, did he mean that? This is where we are. I don't mean it. I just want to steer the pot. You know me? I'm a pot steer. Stehven Rubelles is a really good fit for the show. I'm very glad he's there. It's is a very good guy. He guy I actually mentioned on the show that I honoured to have participated in all the different iterations of the show. Yeah. nice right. I picked up that All three eras on horrific recently too. Yeah. U Stven I was kidding,' just who I am. Or maybe I wasn't, but just I'll leave that up to your. No. I'll leave that up to your conscience to dec side and your self esteem. I know you have plenty. Unlike Mike. So obviously not as much St Rodz Super Tolb Yeah. ye, he's a big dude and I think is he Ter older than new, Mike You know what I don't know, and I'm just gonna to say probably is because that would make sense. Most people are Anyway anyway episode, we nerded out about shortcuts And the new things in shortcuts in MacOS and IOS twenty seven, the new natural language creation stuff, some UI issues that we're having, the new actions. and they let me talk for a few minutes about the things that I'm doing with Short's Playground too which was fun And yeah, I was really glad to be on the show withith this new combo of co hosts and it was fun We had a question about your apparents SimZordanan said, on NPU, Federico mentioned that he wrote his WBC blog post on the plane on his phone Why that workflow because it was more comfortable I was kind of laying down And I didn't w to get up to get my laptop. You were laying down? Yeah, ye. Yeah. I was like, you know how you can recline the seat when your flying business? No you're like, No, I don't actually. You don't Yeah. should try You should try it. It's quite comfy And I was having this little, I mean look I'm just telling the truth Yeah I was having a little champagne. There it is. And And I figured, you know, I have an idea for an article and I just started typing it on the phone and then one thing led to another and it was a blog post You know when some I'm ling When some words when some words really like each other, they eventually make a blog post Oh my God. I mean, you had so many computers, surely Yeah interesteresting. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I had my MacBook Pro, my iPad Pro, my Nintendo Switch, which is not a computer, but is, you know, ad device and my phone And I just start I just started on the phone and then I got in a really good groove and I thought, I'm just going to keep going. and What is it? like fif five hundred words or so later? I was like, it's pretty good. I'm gonna take a look at it tomorrow because this champagne is kicking in So yeah, I took another look the day after and it was pretty good still good still QQuestions. you said you took an internal switch How many minutes did you play on your? Zero Yeah. whyy are you still doing this? Like I don't know onene of the M stories universal podcasts I was hearing John say also what I have felt, which is like I would take games consoles on trp and never touch them. So he decided not to do it anymore except he's a little flippy round rotating thing because I he wanted to show people like me about how that thing works I think a part of me inside of me U does this so I can keep say in this every year it's almost like a tradition that I know I'm not right play But I still take it so that I will be able to say, yeah, I took it, but I never played. I don't know. It's kind of weird. Human behavior can be strange. Strange. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, becauseuse you think like it's perfect, right? You could just sit and play a video game for ten hours. It's like, why would we not do that? I don't know man, I just want to watch a movie over somebody's shoulder instead Have you ever done that Yeah. Yeah, of course. bigig time Yeah Like and just like not listening or watching I watched an entire movie over somebody's shoulder once. I didn't hear a word of it Watch the whole thing No, maybe not a whole movie, but like a good chunk of it. Yeah, I've done it. It was the movie about McDonald's Yes. Okay. Yeah. yeah That one prettyty good baby I got what I needed from it. It's called The founder by Michael Keaton. Watched the whole movie. didn't hear a word, didnn't have subtitles. I just was like, I'll work this out. and there you go. B the whole thing Batman making French fries It was It was interesting to work out what the movie was about because I didn't start from the start. It was like The movie had begun and I just started watching. it's like I'll catch on. 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Like I think I know for example, how the reiew is going to start. have a line in the introduction I have taken some notes. Um But I have not I've not done any wr any proper writing I have decided u that I was gonna to spend in the first Th the first month, maybe justust using it And it didn't help, of course, that I've only been able to solve Siri AI a few days ago in terms of being able to use it reliably But I decided to follow and to actually continue down the road that I followed for the first few years, which is you just use it for the first three weeks or so and so that you can gather your first impressions for the public beta and so that you also come to a to a thought to an idea on your own U without having seen any of the sessions, without having reed the PR material extensively just try and reach conclusions or opinions on your own And I haven't watched any videos by other people. L this is something that I started doing A few years ago, when I also switched the overall review style And I'm going to continue doing that. The current plan is to start some of the writing on in the middle of July. I'm going to have a few days for myself and I think I'm gonna use those days to write some and watch sessions. But in the meantime, my sort of self organizing system is working beautifully I have this dashboard. that I created with Notion and the help of Fable U and it's actually a little web app that runs on my Mac studio It tells me that I have seven chapters, good to go I have I have saved thirty two sessions to watch. I have clipped forty eight articles from which we have extracted one hundred and thirty three features that I need to cover across these seven chapters And the apps chapter, which is a number five as always, is comprised of twenty four subsections. this year And it's pretty nice looking system, I gotta say I'm gonna to send you a screenshot in the in the discord this you will see the kind of system that I'm dealing with It's a dashboard that shows me chapter by chapter Oh sections My related notes, my related sessions My screenshots, I've been saving a bunch of screenshots that I've been doing. So I have been doing What I You know I've essentially been using this a lot saving screenshots as I go and taken the occasional notes. My dashboard tells me that I've taken eleven notes And I've written down a few opening and closing sentences here and there But mostly, I will say I've just been using the thing And u It'll come to me I hope. on point. Well I think this was the this is like a symptom of the change in R? Yeah like when it was much more factual in its you could just start writing whenever you want was more mechanical Yeah like detail, but now now that you have to weave a narrative through the review. it takes a bit more time to get started. So these numbers at the top You got all the features like calendar, camera, clock, and there's a number next to them. Are they the features in those apps that you feel like you need to cover? So want to at let me take a look at the screenshot again Yes Okay So this is from you like sending information into the system and it categorizes the features and then you have a little note to go back to So this works in a couple of different ways and has been working Quite reliably for twenty five days. So it's pretty well tested The kind of system that is designed to have the least possible interaction from me and everything's sort of happening in the background. So what I do likeike my manual actions I mean, obviously, besides taking notes manually myself, and saving screenshots manually myself I just want to be able to clip an article. or with the Nion extension in Safari. or clip a session from Apple on YouTube And E everything happens in Nion I have a custom agent inotion That is also based on an ocean worker. This is someome of the new stuff the Notion has been doing lately And he basically, um orrganizes everything Understands if the page that was saved into a database is an article or is a video If it's an article, it summarizes the article. If it's a video, it transcribes and then summarizes the video is able to as some code, so this was created by Fable before the shutdown in June It run some code to understand What's the structure of the review? What are the chapters What are these sections inside of the apps chapter, which is the only one that has like sub chapters inside And In this article that Federica saved or in this video that Federica saved Um What are the features that are being mentioned? So let let's say that I save an artle from nine to five Max saying all the new reminders, features that are coming in IOS ninet seven My system takes that article. summares it and understands, okay, this article mentions five features. ese features are they already mentioned anywhere else in the features database If it's a new feature, it saves it as a new feature. If it's an existing feature creates a like what's it called like u likeike a backlink And so there's this relationship, right between article, which is my draft a source, which is what I clip from Safari and a feature These are three separate databases and they're all connected to each other That's how it's just three separate databases. It's it It's actually one database. And this is the S D The summary of how it works. It's these three different databases talking to each other via an agent in the middle And the screenshots that I sent you are the web app that is from the web app that is running on Mac stududio that is using the Nion API And There's actually a couple of different things that I can also show you There is a this is quite fancy. This is esssentially where you can get with feble I had created a little Stehven is going to appreciate this. a little space theme view of my universe of chapters and features. And it's a little interactive thing This is like the Obsidian thing It's like the obscenian thing but made by me and with Fable And you can zoom in and see all the different things that I have And uh I can search all of my features, I can run this so this thing runs every hour talks to my notion sees if there are new articles that I clickpped or new notes that I took H or I can run it manually And the final thing I will mention that is really nice is The system knows what At what point of the beta season we're at? talalks to the Apple developer are assess feed Um Apple has an RS feed that tells you what the latest version of an iOS or iPad OS beta is And it saves that. So it knows that right now we are on betaube that was released on june twenty second And it estimates that we're now at twenty four percent of the typical beta season And yeah. And and what's nice is that When I save a screenshot, so I told them When I was building this, I told Fabable Asume that I'm the kind of person. As soon as a beta is released, I will install it right away and I set this principle so that when I'm saving a screenshot The system automatically infers that the screenshot belongs to what the latest beta is. Yeah. And so now my screenshots are automatically categorized topopic beta version So I have a systematic way of for example, checking out how the Reminders splash screen changed across multiple betas which is something that I've always wanted to have I tried to do it manually many, many years ago. It was horrible Now the AI can do it for me. All you need to do is remember to take the screenshot. I take a screenshot, I run a shortcut that uploads the image to my Mac studio and asks me for a title If I don't put in a title, it tries to run OCR on the image and try to understand what's going on But I just like to write down like reminders, splash screen or new toolbar in Safaris. That's kind of what I enter and then the system takes care of everything. And of course, When it will be time to sit down in July and write this, I can open my notion. And I can navigate to a chapter say, for example Apple Intelligence and Siri And inside of it And I'm going to send you a screenshot as well Inside of it, you will see all the things that are related to that I can just click to open those things in separate tabs but I can write my chapter in nototion These are all kind of the relations that exist between databases. So I can sit down and say, all right, what sessions do I have about this? What notes did I take U What screenshots do I have about All of this And I can just open those in separate tabs and write in the main It seems like you've got a pretty decent setup It's a decent setup. It's It builds upon the setup that I created last year in Auction And obviously the big change this year was AI. So Last year I had to do it all manually. this year I took that IS twenty six set upp and I said This is what I did last year I want you to recreate it and extend it for me So thank you, Fable This happened before the United States goovernment. intervention, but obviously because of this they're like no one man can have all this power. I don't know. I did get flag I did get flagged for cybersecurity before the fable shutdown. so I may what did you do I tried to reverse engineer the yeah archive file Apple gives you For Apple intntelligence. It's called an Apple intntelligence system report. This is something that you can generate on your own in the settings app on your Yeah it look but like to the system, it looks like you're doing they don't know. It looks like you're up to something, right? You're like be fair. T be fair, fable, freaked out. When it got to after my poking You know, I like to use these agents and every once in a while, I send a message in the queue and I'm like, you're doing a good job, keepeep going It's like you're on a horse and you're like, keep going, you know, when you getting up. Uh Fable freaked itself out, essentially when it understood how to The names of the servers in Google data centers that are Technically encrypted and hashed in that system report R. And it did that, it decrypted that. and I saw in the thinking steps be like Oh now this is unsafe. And also he's too happy about this. It's like so he flagged itself for a cybersecurity attack But it was still happy enough to give me the URL and the domain of the Google serervers that were being used in Europe and North America for Apple intelligence Oh that was pretty cool Anyway, yeah, it's a decent setup Hm We'll see I want to talk about the Apple Watch because there's been a couple of rumors Kine. which is bringing it front to mind. So Bast off. There is a rumor pointing to a major redesign coming this year for the Apple Watch Ultra four significant upgrade to sensing functions as well as the que major redesign That's from nine to five Mac And then also Macroom is an ant to five macro reporting on the The re emergence of the Apple Watch We'll just call it X U saying that a big redesign is coming in twenty twenty seven for the series line of watchatches Laka Instant Digital implied that it would change the way that bands connect to the watch, meaning that backwards compatibility would end. This is something that' been spoken about before. Mark German was talking about this about maybe going to a magnetic approach for attaching Apple watches and watch bands So All of this, you know, Apple Watch Ultra four maybe getting a redesign this year, maybe the Apple Watch, regular Apple Watch getting a redesign nextxt year U I wondered if either of you had any like or hopes for what redesign of both of these watches could be what you want for the ultra either the Ultra or the series I mean Thinner is always nicer Yeah. The thing is I I don't really have that many wishes for the Apple Watch But a couple of things I do have I I would like to see more variety in terms of the types of bands that Apple makes I think they've been kind of the same for a few years now and The more innovative stuff was left to Hermess, but I'm not buying Hermess watch band. I would like to see Apple get a little stranger, a little weirder with Apple Watch bands. I'm not sure if a new mechanism helps in that regard. I think they got pretty hung up on trying to create a new material to replace Lea. Yeah Yeah, maybe.. I think that may have been And while it didn't work, so we don't really consider an innovation People weren't particularly happy with finewoven U woven or whatever it ends up being on like I think that may have kind of stalled them a little bit with some of the band development Maybe. The other thing and this is maybe going to sound a little strange I would love to see an Apple Watch where Siri AI really works well Um The battery lasts a long time but also where CAI has visual intelligence. I guess what I'm trying to say is I wouldn't be totally opped to the idea of an Apple watch I in a camera Because there' been so many instances where I was like doing something around the house. And and It would have been nice to have a little AI right there on my hands being able to see what I was seeing and guide me through. For example, last year, I needed to fix a power cable And I had to put Gamini next to me with the phone kind of prop up the phone? When I was doing this thing on the balcony outside so that I could use Gemani Live And it would have been so much nicer if that was actually on my wrist and not made by N made by Google is a bit of a stretch withith AI, but you get my point. Like I wouldn't toorally mind the Apple Watch being able to quote unquote see and have visual intelligence features. Maybe like in the way with the airPods that was rem. Yeahist. I guess camera camera But exactly. Like you're not taking you're not just You know you're just walking around holding up your hand in a face and taking pictures of people, you know But like having V people got hung up on this idea having vision capabilities differentiffere from being a camera. Okay Stephven, do you have any like Wishes for the Apple Watch I I would I wouldn't mind the ultra getting refined a little bit. like sort of the bulgy sides seem like they could be that could be a little bit more elegant To me, just the most interesting part of this thing is though They've got what twelve, eleven or twelve years of Apple band history and they've never broken it and You know, we this comes up every so often. We've talked about this before. They have to have a really compelling Reason doing this and I think there will be people who are upset So I'm mostly justinterested in what that means and what that lets them do. You know, I think on the series watch side, the series ten and eleven, being thinner and bigger screens, like that form factor feels pretty good to me. and It feels like they've really kind of reach the end state of that original Apple Watch design in a lot of ways. and I agree with Federico, there's room to be weirder But other than the ultra just kind of getting cleaned up a little bit, I don't think I have anything super high on the list What is a compelling reason for you for them changing the What would you consider to be an acceptable reason I think if they said, hey, look, we've got twenty percent more battery in the same chassis because of this change U or it's it's even, you know, and it's even more secure and easier to deal with like I think those are the sorts of the things sort of the things they're going to rely on, but I don't know I wonder if you know, they'd just be like, well look at this beautiful new design We needed to change the right? Like could be I can imagine it be like what what? they say is the reason it's like compelling, might not necessarily be something that everybody will agree with. In fact, I know people won't like this. but I am also I'm of the opinion of like Apple Watch design needs to change. L it has to change For me. I think the Apple Watch design is really old now And I want them to change it in some way. I don't know. I don't know. I mean, I know what the things that I want, but they're not what things they're going to do. Like I want a round one. They're not going to do that It needs a big refresh And I really hope that if they're going to do this, it does actually look significantly different in a way that You would be able to tell on someone's wrist that they have the new Apple watchatch. That's what I'm talking about, right? Yeah Be I feel like you can't Right? Like I would say You cannot look at somebody's wrist like the average person and be like, o, that's the new Apple watchatch. Like it's just they're indiscernible from each other. fromrom like maybe series three onwards, like they just look the same. likeike they don't They don't look any different The Apple Watch Ultra I would like them to lean into the direction that a lot of people wear it, which is they just want the biggest nicest one. Mhm And not necessarily care as much about Extreme fitness and not make that the pure driver So like I want different materials and finishes in the A Wash Ultra. I don't just want colors of titanium, like I would like different finishes. Why can't I also have a polished stainless steel one Like, let me make that decision, you know? like what I would like to make that decision What about round Well, I know, but they're not going to give me aroundound. So like I want round but I'm going to give up because they're not going to give me around The screen should be bigger on the aporge ultra Bezel's way too big Like I don't want the watch to get bigger s too big already But like if you look at it There is so much black around that border. the screen I want that to be on screen. and I also like Stehven. I would like to I mean, I really want them to deal with the rounded Edge thing that is on all the Apple watchatches. I think that's one of the things that I would like them to change. likeike let's just stop doing the bulging at the sides So yeah, I would like that kind of stuff Uh health sensors. I always want more health sensors because I think that's cool. mean, O of the original rumors for the Apple Watch Tday we're going to have some kind of blood sugar sensor, but yeah, that feels like I mean, that just feels too good to ever really imagine it's going to happen in a way. like They've chased. They've chased it a long time because they know how bigiger deal it would be if they could they could nail that properly. likeike if they could really get that, like it would be a huge deal for the Apple Watch, but I don't know, it just feels like like a really hard problem to solve in a way that they would need to solve it. But yees so I don't know. So yeah, it's going to be interesting to see I'm keen that we might get some preview in the Appatch Ultra four. I think the Ultra four really does need some effort put into it because they they have not I was just talking to underscore about this. of was like The ultro one It was like, Oh, wow, here we go. Like what are they doing now? And then they just didn't really do much, right? Like that It's like, oh, okay, like we're just gonna what did it if we ultra two? put a different sensor in it. And then the ultra three It's like now it's black. L what are we doing? Like Well, no, they they updated was I think, an update to the two even and then the three has a new a new processor. Yeah,'s it's been been not I think I have a to and I have things you don't have Well, the people who have the one don't have like there's at least a sensor or something that like maybe it's the Temperatures Maybe it is temperature. And it has the tap. gesture That's that's what it is. is the tap thing So it've got the system on a chip that lets me do the tab thing. So the two has that and one doesn't I mean, and let's not even talk about the fact what I really want, but they'll never give me, which is just No screen Yep. That's what I That's not going to happen Well I have dreams urn us, right? Like We know you do Yeah We't can't do this anymore L I have I have a dream that he is going to make more niche products, right? Like this big room are about like home stuff whichich I definitely think is happening now based on the amount of things that they've put into cameras in the home appap. where so much effort has gone into cameras It feels inevitable that they're going to ship their own home camera That is like maybe a market Apple shouldn't bother going into. Like if you think about them now, it's like that seems way too niche. A home security camera like Even the companies that base themselves on this don't seem to be that into it Right? L you know, like so is that but if they're going to get into those kinds of worlds, why not build a little fitness tracker that doesn't have a screen on it? Like why not do that Google thinks it's worth doing it, so why don't you do it? Dad I tell y', I saw a fitit air in the wild. The other day I saw a bunch at WWEC, but that wass obvious to. Yeah, thats that's where the people are. Yeah, I was at the grocery store and just like this Lady passed me in the aisle and she had her hand like on the cart and it was like just fit but air. justust sitting there Did you ask opinions? I did not. Generally I try not to approach people in the grocery store and ask them about tech personal. That's are all for you, I guess In general Do either of you have any real opinions about like the Apple Watch now Yeah, see, that's the thing now really It's it's a bit of a sleepy, isn't it? Yeah much. Yeah Iss like it's It's dependable. it's kind of there. I don't think about it. M s great compliment is a great compliment toay to any accessory that you miss it when it's not there. you don't really have a strong opinion In terms of like, oh, this thing absolutely sucks and must change in such and such ways Like if the Apple Watch stays exactly like this for the next couple of years, I probably wouldn't mind it like it Yeah. And that makes it extremely hard, I think, to innovate. For this kind of product I mean, obviously nothing is perfect But you can achieve and I think Apple has done it, even arguably with the AirPods, you can achieve like They An idealistic uh, u Beline of a product after many years of iterations me like, all right, you know what? That's actually pretty good at this point. Where do we go from here? And that's Wh for example, you start getting weirder, right with the air pods why they're like we're going to do a new band mechanism. R? It's just likely What else can we do? L you can reach like It's almost like you reach this plateau of goodness and you're like, well, yeah, people love it. peopleople buy it. It's not terribly innovative at this point, but it's also pretty good.. It's It's easier when something obbviously sucks under certain aspects because you have your work cut out for you. You know what to do. And it's harder to innovate when when something is pretty good and you're like I can change things at the risk of ruining a good thing. So yeah Yeah, I feel like combination for me now of Photos's watch face, which is like I love it you know, just photos of people that you care about and they just show up on your watch face all the time. Like that I love that thing so much and you have two complications. so I have The weather on my calendar, like that's kind of all I need on the watch face. I don't need anything more than that And then the smart stack That combo for me is brilliant because the smart stack always has what I need in it. if I need lear more. Like I've said this leading up to WWC. think they need apps. Like I just I don't think the App Watch needs apps apps, like even the way that they are now. I think just widget Like information is enough for the Apple Watch. Every past that, I think is maybe a a little bit excessive. L And I think Apple's kind of moved along this line themselves, which is why the smart stack exists, right? It's like Really, we can just give you the information. It's like glances back in the day, right? It's just like Oh man You don't really need to be doing computing on your watch, right? Like And I think we can probably all to test this anything gets anything more than I want to look at this Ver frequently you just grab your iPh Like if you can just see the information you need that's kind of enough. And I think the smart stack achieves that. and I think it's great. like And I think it does a pretty decent job of surfacing which ones I needed Any particular time I like that combination a lot. I would like them to lean into that even more. Yeah, I think they've they've really struggled with how much interaction they want you to do on the watch early in its life, like with glances, you know, a feature that's that's now long gone It was clear time that Part of the reason that was there is because the watch couldn't do very much, right? That the app experience was actually kind of bad on the first several versions of watchatch OS I mean, you had the thing with like Watch kit. mean the UIs just still like streaming off the phone. suuper weird stuff in hindsight Now it can do more and you have things like full blown email apps and fitness apps and a bunch of things on the Apple Watch I still think it does still shine. in those brief interactions, which is why the smart stack, I think is such a good idea. in a way it's not in a way. It is the spiritual successor to glances But I like that if I want to do more can go Deper I can go to a full app experience. I think I do think that is important for the Apple Watch But I also think they could do more to make smart stack and widgets and other things more useful. likeike I would is not an original thought. I would love that that scrolled up Sart Stack view that has just the time and like your list of widgets I would have those my watch face because I actually like seeing Sort of my top three things and you know, you can build a widget with like individual complications I like that look and then I can scroll and see stuff more easily than I can on complications. So I think There's room for them to improve, but I do think apps have a place on the Apple Watch still Do you remember the Siri face? I do. Oh my go, yeah. thing that thing would have ripped with Siri AI. why is it not back I used the Siri face for so long and then they were like, we're not doing that anymore. It was like, okay, o Sorry, I suppose but you know, is that, but yes, I can see that like it The person that wants the Apple Watch to be informational. Like just having it just always locked to that view is ideal, right where I do like it to be Nice looking in some way and I think for me now the way that it is the nicest looking is with photos I think I think it's I think it is a very good look and it's fun. and it's surprising. And also their system for like where it puts the clock and stuff has gotten so good I think it's I think it's a great feature. really if you've never tried the phhotos watch face in the last like three years or whatever, when they when they changed it I really recommend it. L they have you can choose people or you can choose like buildings or you know, like natured scenes and stuff or pets If you've not tried it, just try it. L even if you think like, o man, I'm like such a I want my data person. like just give it a go because it is truly delightful of an experience. It's a great weekend watch face For me, like I like having the data like my next My next event. fitness stuff, whetatherher I like having that during the work week But on the weekends, we're like Generally I have much fewer events Photos plus weather is plenty for me. So that's a great way I think, at least to sort of explore it This episode of Connected is brought to you by Relay's membership program You can learn more by going to relay.film slash membership or clicking the link in the show notes O Connected Pro, the membership version of this show. We do extra content at the top of the show We were talking about the Steam machine and the companion cube and Dbrand and what's been going on over there and kind of the state of game consoles here in twenty twenty six Membership version, so Connected Pro also has no ads. 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So it's a great time to join Click the link in the show notes, Connected Pro is just seven dollars a month or seventy dollars a year, and we would love to have your support So I wanted to mention something that Apple has done That really caught me by surprise They have announced an official MCP server for Safari This is now available as part of the Safari technology preview, which is like the beta version of Safari And it's called the Safari MCP server pretty generic name I tested it I solved it last night. and it quickly became some of my favorite AI related thing that Apple has done today the point where I think it's actually the best MCP server for a browser that is available at the moment Now let me explain. I'm sure you guys have questions. If you have questions, please get them in now so we can set the baseline for the Before we go further, ye, we haven't talked about MCP in a minute, give us a broad overview of what MCP does and why it's interesting in a browser MCP is a standard that is been maintained by an open source foundation. Um allows Large language models in chatbots and agents connect to and use and retrieve data from external sources. It's a protocol MCP stands for model context Potocol. protocol with an open source been maintained by this foundation that defines how chatbots and agents, so your ChatGPT or your clad or your clad code whatever. connect to a remote source pererform an action or retrieve data from it Examples of popular MCP servers can be Gmail, for example. If you want to retrieve a message or send an email to doist if you want to G your tasks or edit a task. And there are thousands of MCP servers Um We MCP is different fromr just letting an agent use a CLI. We've talked about command line interfaces before And there are two schools of thought, essentially The CLI schoolchool of thought is Agents are so intelligent now. you just give them a CLI and you let them figure out the CLI without having to basased on a protocol, be based on a spec Whereas MCP is no, no, actually, this is a predefined spec And MCP servers need to respect and adopt this specific specs. Um I use them both for different reasons. And MCP has improved a lot over the past year used to be year ago that if you installed too many MCP servers in your cloud, Cot would become extremely slow becausecause he needed to read all of the instructions for all of the MCP servers and all the tools contained inside each server Now that's no longer the case The MCP spec is now much leaner, lightweight and dynamic And U the big new feature that they added to the MCP spec a few months ago is UI It's called MCPUI And that allows MCP servers not just to show you text but to actually show you little custom interfaces made with CSS and HTML It's the same standard that openAI is using with apps in ChaGPT They're literally based on the same technology And finally, I would say MCP servers come in two flavors You have your local servers that are running on your computer, such as the case for Safari that we'll talk about in a minute And you have a cloud based MCP servers, such as a to doist and Finally, finally, Sometimes you will see these things being advertised as MCP Yeah The word connectors They're the same thing, they're based on the same idea, they're based on the same technology. Connectors is just a better English word for This is are friendly It seemser intimidating. Yeah, MCP it's like what. And it's also just a better phrase likeike it just makes more sense. It's a connect You you're connecting this model to some other thing their resource that you have That's the general description. So if I you can ask a question now then. like you know, my thought about MCP was always just that like It was like a storage of data that you had. and that you were connecting an ement to that data How is Safari an MCP? So MCP is not data storage. Okay. MCP is a syntax the findes It's a server protocol that defines What happens when when a large language model reaches your app and wants to do something with it uh, the spec defines The syntax for different types of tools different types of schemas. and how the data is supposed to be exchanged between those two, between your app and between the otherLM And it's usually JSON based Um It gets more complicated than that, but this is not a developer podcast. And also I'm not a So U With Safari They're running a little server on your Mac This is always the case with MCP. There needs to be a server behind it. In this case, it's a local server that is living somewhere in inside the technology preview. app if you show package contents I'm sure it's in here somewhere. They have the full path in the in the blog post. Um That's you actually this is actually so an Apple like, it's kind of refreshing. They're giving you the full commands to run in your terminal. So it's inside the applications, Safari technology previews slash contents slash MacOS. It's called Safari driver. So Safari Driver is a server that runs on your Mac contains the MCP And u This server obtains a bunch of commands These are called tools There's things like closed tab Create tab evaluate JavaScript List tabs navigate to URL and so forth. They're like twenty or so tools And when you connect to the MCP, to clud or Codex or whatever gets it talks to Safari, Safari says, I have these twenty tools And it performs these actions when you do You will see that Safari will create a standalone automation session, which means it opens a separate window and you will perform the actions that you ask. You will see a message at the top of the saafari window that says This session is being controlled by clawed or by codex The UI for it is not as fancy as Clauding Chrome or computer use by open AI It's kind of better bones, but it gets a job done. And I gotta tell you, it's Probably the best browser MCV I've used Um I had this feeling when I saw the list of tools U in the blog post It looked really elegant but also comprehensive Come A good sign for a well done MCP is when You don't have like hundreds of tools. You see twenty, thirty tools Hover all the essentials and more so They map these tools to specific features. So That's a good that's usually a sign of an MCP server This was that was designed Oh with a clean design in mind. like for example, the fact that The fact that you have close tab and create tab instead of Tab operations R There are many MCP developers that make this mistake of sort of Putting multiple actions inside the same tool Whereas the more elegant approach is to say, no, close tab is one action, create tab is another action. List tabs is another action altogether And so that's good design. And the result is that When the agent talks to the MCP server It doesn't get confused A It doesn't and I've seen this happen all the time with some MCP server where the agent was talking to it and he performed one action instead of another because the MCP was not really well designed at all And And I saw this and I got a sense that like, oh, this looks really elegant and really nicely done. And sos it's surprising to me that like, It's No no, no. Why does the LO them need to open tabs? Like I don't that is like weird to me. Oh if o man, let me tell you. What does this you open tabs for? It's a compute what Like, I just what do somebody Well like I think the browser use stuff is fascinating to me because it's like I would just assume that the computer talks to to the web in a way that is not with UI loading a webpage. It's just it seems very like Force I guess, I don't know So the reason behind all of this is like All this stuff with browser MCP started because of web developers needing to test their apps with LLMs Oh, so that's that so that's instant. So that's why you want to create a tab and you have actions for like measuring network requests or evaluating JavaScript or switching the viewport, for example. like whenever I'm working on one of my web apps or the web apps that I have for the MacSource teeam I always have one of these browser MCPs installed because you want to do things like, all right, now. do the testing So like test the iPhone layout. That makes more sense. becauseuse I'm thinking like if it's say it's like booking something And I know they do this, but it's just like I would figure Yeah, there should just be a database talking to a database as opposed to like Yeahah, the pro to go open and click around for you The problem is that sometimes those services don't have database ones. like when I'm researching like vacation rentals or something Booking. com doesn't have at leist that I know, like an MCP or an API So that's why the agent has to use a browser like a fake person, essentially. I don't know, it just feels so inefficient, but if it's all it can do, it's all it can do It is. but Thisese all started because of web developers and There's there's a more than legitimate use for that. So anyway, I had a suspicion that it was really well done. so I asked Codex about it. and I was like, hey, set this up And then I want you to to run a test and compare The three browser MCPs Play right which is made by Microsoft. The Chrome extension that you have, which is made by open AI and the new saafari MCP. And like and I want you to be honest and explain why you prefer one or the other Codex You know, I thought, oh, he's just gonna to prefer the open AI thing because of like internal bias or whatever. But it didn't. It actually said, I actually think the Safari MCV by Ale is more ergonomic for me because the tools are nicer. the performance is great And the documentation is great The description of the tools are really nicely done And u it feels better designed for an agent. playlaywright or my own Chrome extension And I thought, oh well, that's rising So I've been using it all day. It's pretty great just maybe not as fancy from a visual perspective. When you use clauding Chrome Crum with Kodex You got like a special cursor on screen and the window that is being controlled by the agent gets like a special color. those things. It's more of a visual affair, but Apple can do it. They have a really solid foundation now technically speaking and they can make it all, you know more visually I started looking Do you think they'll offer this kind of stuff as like an API Like guess I don't need to, right I don't need to because it's yeah, never mind thats a silly question The MCP is the developer tool. They don't need to add more developer toolals to that. Yeah, I mean, obviously this will be, if I were to guess, this will be locked behind enabling the developer menu in Safari U Also before you can use it, You need to toggle a checkbox that as asks for your password or touch ID. that is called, let's see, you need to enable the deeveloper menu. thenen you go into the deeveloper menu And it's called allow rememote automation and exxternal agents So you need to enable that And then you're after to the races and This joins the Xcode MCP that Apple did. So Apple now has two MCP servers that I know of, AXcode and Safari. Please make more. You see I've heard really good things about the exXcod stuff too. It's really well done too. this is a technology that they understand and are doing it good with. They're doing a good job, please make more of them. Thank you I think that does it A you ready to get anything else? did. I think we did it. we did it and we've made it to the end That means I'm gonna tell you a bunch stuff, if you're ready The things we spoke about are in the show notes. They're in your podcast player and they're also on the web at relay. Fm slash connected slash six one Zero you can Do a bunch of cool stuff that website because websites are cool. The internet is a nice place sometimes You can leave us feedback, Leave us a note You can make it anonymous if you want. Drop us a line. There's a form there on the site And you can join and get Connected Pro, the longer and ad free version of the show that we do each every week If you want more of us in the meantime, you can find Federico over at maxstories. net where he is the editor in chief. You can find Mike across a bunch of shows here on relay and his writing at the enthusiast. net You can find my writing at five, twelve pixels. . net I'd like to thank Squarespace for sponsoring this episode and until next time guys, say goodbye How do you that you? Terrio. Bye y'all.
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