Peter Attia and the Epstein Files

Welcome back to the cororporate goossip podcast Patreon. I'm your host, CPS Corn Rebecca Platky I'm here with my co host. Out of office reply guy, Robby Slovk And today we're talking about longevity A real deep dive among Deb. Here's what I learned about just like headline About all the readings we did about longevity, this is what I learned. I'm gonna kind of bullet point this First Most doctors agree that we basically hit the limit in terms of lifespan extension. Like we're alive as long as we're going to be alive. Cowards. That's what I say to them. Cowards Two, there's currently no board certification, no official guidelines for practicing longevity medicine at all. Anyone who's a doctor can say that they're a longevity expert Okay Three, if your goal is to live as long as possible, basically it's eat right, go to the doctor, eight hours of sleep, reduce your stress, have friends, don't be lonely, that kind of stuff. Did that come from the coward doctors who we can't live forever? A loser coward doctor. I hate these things With no vision and more importantly, probably poor. Probably can't even code But this is number four, I think most importantly, if your goal is not to live long but is to make a fuck ton of money, you should start a longevity company and charge rich people who are having midlife crisises fifty thousand dollars to make themselves medical guinea pigs because as one longevity founder said, quote, even the super wealthy people are scared shitless and trying to buy their stairway to heaven, and nearly all of them are deathly afraid of death It's so funny that like the image is like, you know, poor people being tested on like lab mice and these rich people are like, I'll pay to be tested on like a lab mice. Y ye. It's true. I There's very few things I remember from like entrepreneur class in colle but one of them is like if you want to be an entrepreneur, you want to find people with deep pockets in deep pain. And that is what they're doing. Yeah hundreds of people have so much money, and they're literally willing to make themselves experimental like guinea pigs. Although they're not in deep pain. In fact they' the opposite. In fact, their lives are so good they want them to go on forever. But they're in, I think, deep psychologicalistential pain. Yeah And they're really struggling with the idea that I think there was one quote in one of the articles, and obviously all the articles are going to be listed in the show notes. If you're new to Patreon, you can find them there And then the pictures normally we post, and there's a lot of pictures, unfortunately, for this episode. we post in a separate post if you are new to Patreon and want to find everything But as one person said They spent their wealth, They spent their health getting their wealth and now they need to spend their wealth getting their health. type of thing. That because basically here' in your late ties, early sixties and you realize, o fuck. Yeah, I have finite time and my back hurts. Yeah, ye, I can only I only have twenty more years at most Yeah to yeah abuse this world. Yeah. The other thing is my question for a lot of these guys is like, did you piss so many people off that you're hoping once they all die, you'll be able to come back and be like, I was actually a good this whole time. I was a nice guy. Wait, canan I tell you something? So the other day I went to the Morgan library, which is o in New Yorkays JP Morgan's. I've never been there, but I've heard it's really nice. It's actually yeses JP Morgan's house is actually pretty nice. you know, L it's a cool place to go. It is a cool place to go. but there was a guy giving a tour And I wasn't part of the tour. I was just in the room and he was saying like And then the government brought these charges and these charges and these charges and ultimately JP Morgan was found was exonerated on all of them. They found no wrongdoing at all. And it's like, you know how rich you have to be to pay for PR one hundred and thirty years after you died? They're still like being like, and he was the good guy and nothing bad ever happened becausecause there's J. Morgan So let's go back to some of these guys. So I want to touch down on three guys One of whom we spoke to now about before, Brian Johnson. The other two we haven't touched on, Peter Aa. and Peter Diamandus. Yeahep, Diamandus.. We're not quite sure. We Googled. We did Google I need to start with Diamandus because this is a guy. I've never heard of him before these research, but I actually think he's one of the worst ones. Okay. Here's his book the longevity guidebook Uh, how to Slow stop in reverse aging and not die from something stupid Notably in the article we read, He is described Nexting and driving at seventy miles an hour. Yeah. So okay. The literal definition of how to die doing something stupid He's got degrees from MIT in Harvard. He's apparently big guy in the longevity space. He's got podcasts, a private clinic with Tony Robbins. You know when Tony Robins is there, you're dealing with something legit. just the absolute zeig of scamming. scam shows up like he's gonna be there. He really is. Yeah. Expensive clinics are like a big thing amongst these guys It also includes a semi annual platinum trip Wh for seventy thousand dollars, people get to pay to meet eminent longevity scientists, invest in their experimental therapies, and most importantly, secure those therapies for their personal use But really Wh he is is a grifter from Great Nck in this article from the New Yorker that will link As a young entrepreneur, he formulated Peter's laws which included If you can't win, change the rules and, when forced to compromise, ask for more. That's like the Have you ever seen the movie cocktail? No movie? Oh my Godd. you'll not I don't I've never seen any these. Okay, well one of the bartenders has all these like Conklin's law and that's what this is just like some asshole being like making up some shit Longevityescape philocophy is the idea that today for every year that you're alive Science is extending your life for about a quarter to a third of a year. But there's going to be a point that for every year that you're alive, science is extending your life for more than a year And you know the question is when is that going to happen? And so Ray's prediction and if you Google Raay's predictions, it's like he's got an eighty six percent accuracy rate, which is pretty extraordinary.n all of his predictions. On all of his predictions.'s like when we're going to have AI, when we're going. You know, these robots, we're going to have nanotechnology. his prediction on longevity escape velocity is by the end of the year twenty thirty is this is this Peter DM Mendez, like this is his thing you know, he has got these abundance summits where you get to see stuff like that. whichich you paid good money to see, by the way, and now it's available on YouTube. Yeah for him, they are absolutely abundance sus. You know, like he is making an abundance of money off of these idiots Watch live. Peter DAMandis reveals the converging mega trends that will transform society. You can watch that april twenty first nine AM click here to register to Get membership to go to a conference like that. a partner membership starts at twelve thousand five hundred dollars annually, which includes regular workshops, quarterly Ask Me Anythings with Peter bers portal You could even join a LinkedIn group for twelve thousand dollars. That. That's worth it. twenty seven thousand dollars for a fellow membership and a fifty five thousand dollars patron membership waitlist only. How We have five dollars tiers, which I think is much more bang for your buck Let's say so Um, They have this thing called the X Prize. So The X pze is like They basically got aun bunch of billionaires to get together, put together a pool of money The winner, the person who creates innovative therapies that restore muscle, cognitive and immune function by a minimum of ten years with a goal of twenty, to make healthy aging possible for everybody wins in this case, one hundred one million dollars or whatever the pot is. It's kind of like the Sergey Brin brereakthrough prize. Interestingly, Sergey Brin also had a longevity related mid life crisis, which is the reason why we have Google Glass. He freaked out, found out through Anwis's twenty three and me that he had like a two percent chance of getting Parkinson's. Yeah. And he was like, I'm going to die of Parkinson's in eight years. so I have, you know have to do something great. And then he created Google Glass and she did on An Richitki with a, I think twenty three year old Okay, well, I guess the only thing has left to fulfill, and we can only hope is that he gets Parkinsonson night He doesn't have Parkinson's. That was like ten years ago. But you know, Larry Ellison, obviously, longevity research guy, Sumner Redstone. do you know who Sumner Redstone?. Summerner Redstone is. I work for Viaconist. That's true He was the eighty five year old internet mogul and we did a whole episode on him and he said He lived, I think in somewhere in his mid nineties. He said, I have no intention of ever retiring or of dying. quote, I have the vital statistics of a twenty year old. Even twenty year old men get older, not me. My doctor says I'm the only man who's reversed it. I eat and drink every antioxidant known to man. I exercise fifty minutes a day, and this was him at the two thousand nine moovie Awards with his grandson And his grandsons's date who he was allegedly groping all night long. I lookook, what I love and I think you said this about when we talk about Larry Ellison that these guys surround themselves with chat GPP. Like this guy found a doctor who's like, I've never seen anything like this, Sumner. You're younger,re you're Benjamin buttoning. So we have a lot of people who really struggle with their own mortality, I think, to the detriment of not only their family and friends alsoso their businesses because famously, because Emner Redstone never died, he was like, I also don't need to succession plan. Anyway, the current prize pop back to this prize is one hundred one million dollars for the X Prize in Healthpan, but notably Damandus is like invested in half of the companies that apply. And he's like leading the selection committee. so it's just it's a money grab. Yeah. It's a PR stunt Interesting, this one article, I don't know if you read this one. This is the Wall Street Journal article The Billionaires Fueling theQuest for Longer Life points out that All of these longevity companies are basically like a constellation of they're all interconnected and they're all funded by the same people. Peter Teal, Sam Altman, Yurie Milner, Mark Andrewon, Mark Benyoff, Joe Londdale, Eric Schmidt, Kev Hart, Matt Damon, all names who you've either heard on this podcast or just in life. Kevin Hart, that was a zag. I know coming. There's a lot of celebrities involved in this. Hugh Jackman Chris Hemsworth, a lot of these guys are Um They're part of a constellation of more than two hundred startups and nonprofits involving a thousand investors. Together, they have raised more than twelve point five billion dollars in the past two and a half decades, not only from the utra wealthy, but also social media influencers, celebrity scientists, and actors chasing a breakthrough Accord to Peter Diamantis. Amanta Diamantus, I'm sorry. And I live in such a Greek neighborhood. It's kind of like a shame that I don't know how to say that exactly. I do apologize to the Greek community. I feel like they're like'rere waiting We have a lot of rabid Greek fans on this podcast. They're gonna kick me out of my neighborhood. Quote, I think that there is a single tide that floats all boats. AI will feed the hungry, solve the climate crisis, and get us to space. wait who said that? Peter D Mantis. So he's basically like all this investments All of us like kind of its wor We're not paying taxes. I know, we're not paying taxes. I got it, okay What We're doing something better than that We're investing in companies that are gonna to feed the hungry, solve the climate crisis, get us to space, and we're gonna live forever. So fucking relax. Like not only can it not grow strawberries, they can't spell strawberry. It's like there's actually three W's in strawberry I can't believe these guys are shirking taxes somehow for this. I know, I know. And nonprofits, these are nonprofits. It's a lie. we're just letting them do it. It's fucking crazy So in the story by the New Yorker, they go to one of these clinics that Damantas owns. It's called the Fountain lifeife Annual membership to that clinic is twenty one thousand five hundred dollars plus five thousand dollars for annual supplements and the tests that you need U there are weirdly videos of Peter Di Mantis playing on a loop when you're in that thing, being like, I know it's scary to get all these tests done, but wouldn't you rather find out now If if you go there, you get an annual battery of tests that your like normal primary care physician wouldn't do, such as an AI driven scan for soft arterial plaque. Testing is followed by treatments and then by quarterly follow up testing. just with what we know today, you should be able to get to ninety five healthy Yeah, I it's like It's just crazy because Be it AI health, whatever, like nothing they promise ever pays I off, right? Like forever, Elon's been like, we're like fourteen years behind on his Mars promise. And somehow like no one cares. They just are allowed to keep taking money from people making wild promises and delivering on none of None of it. And there's no throughout this entire thing, they don't say, hereere's the data from All the people that we test, here's the double blind study. Here's how we can prove that our results work. If you're a rich person, like you're thinking, well shit, like I don't want tona be in a position fifteen years from now where I've gotten prostate cancer. And then I wish that I had gone back and spent what twenty one thousand dollars a year. That's nothing.. It's like hundred dollars a year for us maybe prevent prostate caner. I mean, it's kind of like an ins it's basically an insurance policy in their mind. So it's such easy money for these guys. There's no need to actually prove that you can deliver on what you say you can deliver on. right Um And then at the end, they say, well, it's all experimental anyway. So I never promised anything. Right. The clinic has five branches and twenty six hundred patients, which if you do the math Without the supplements is fifty six million dollars a year. fifty five million dollars a year That's What a great gift, man. I sometimes I get like I'm like almost I'm just like jealous of these assholes sometimes. I'm just like, I know, You're just like Just by being by willing to be shitty shitty, you just make so much money I know how freeing it must be to feel no guilt or shame. I mean, we talked about this in the episode with Therpy Jeff of like one of the ways that these guys sleep at night is they kind of separate themselves from guilt or shame. Yeah. And they're like I don't feel guilty about it. It is what it is. Right. And now they've taken it a step further, like Andreason and Elon being like empathy is actually weakness Empathy is weakness. You shouldn't feel for others, but what I'm doing is helping you because I care about you. and I want you to live forever. Right. I want all of us to live forever Yeah Cliients, this is a quote U Okay, clients at Fountain Life are on their way to freedom from disease. They have early access to emergent techs such as a blood filter that can, quote, filter out metastatic cancer And a transmitter that uses high frequency waves to diagnose strokes and zap depression. Remission in a week with ten minutes per day therapy. Remission of Depression Repression in a week with like seven minute abs. Zapping by zapping you? Yeah. You guys would have loved what they used to say about lobotomies F funny about that blood filter Okay, this is, I'm going read a paragraph In January, the Times reported that X Thera Medical, the company Blood filters, diamandus, praise, A report came out that they had sold thousands of its devices to a company with a clinic on Antigua that offered miracle treatments to patients with metastatic cancer. The Times described harrowingly neglectful care and said that at least six patients had died after treatment EXTera maintains that the patients were warned that the treatments were experimental The story also noted that the company continued to promote the clinic despite warnings from Ecera employees. When I asked Dam Mandis about the reporting, he said that it had paused a lot of Fountain lifeife's plans But he also added, listen, they've also had some incredible breakthroughs We found a way that would allow people with cancer to die in Antigua. Be they were doing that They were dying in whereatever shitty place they lived You know what I have to say Name them What are the breakthroughs? Name 'em. name. That was name. Yeah. yeah And they can't, they never name anything. And we just let them again, we just let them do this Okay, this is getting even crazier What is he doing with that fifty six million dollars a year, you ask?Qote My VC fund is investing in implantables and Insidables. What the fuck are Inidables The word choice is so crazy. Please let me know what Inidables are. Which will be does this explain it? Inidables, which will be dribbling data to your AI at all times. I't I don't want insidables dribbling data to my AI That sounds horrifying Is he writing SmT? It sounds like smut This is This is their smud. Yeah, no, it's not. Brian Johnson is their smud. Yeah's a Th these guys actually, yeah, go ahead. Brian Johson writes smud. He does, He does We're gonna have sensors in our toilets, sensors listening to your voice, the sound of your cough, recording how you're walking. This is the future. Pervasive This is another weird word. this all sounds like a threat. I feel like I'm being threatened We're going have incightables dribbling into your AI. We will be monitoring your toilet We'll be doing what This is the future. passassive, non intrusive Cstant management where your AI will say, Uh oh, we better test for this. Why is the AI so flirty? That was me. Your AI is going to be the best physician in the world Once again, it literally cannot spell the word strawberry. It can't do it Okay, so obviously they're using their wealth for their own health, but then the idea is that the benefits of this work will How you say trickle down? ote I I think you say dribble from inside obbs dribble dribble down economics durble down health Trivel down health. Yeah moreore healthy the billionaires, the better it is all for us. I mean, listen to this, hereere's a quote from Peter Diamantis. I fantasize about well meaning wealthy leaders guiding humanity with pure intent Giving top scientists the capital to take ten fold actions. It's always ten It's always tenfold, yeah There's a lot of talk about effective altruism which we've talked about in the SBF episode. Al overlaps with longevity. Always overlaps weirdly with being poly too Wait what A lot of in aect arere also poly. Okay. becausecause the longevity people being poly makes s like what you married to one person for three hundred years. That's what they want. their intention, a lot of these guys is like I'm gonna have multiple lives over time Yeah Look, honey, we can't both afford the longevity treatment. Okaykay? You're going to kind of you're going to tap out about seventy seven seventy eight and I'm leaving you when you're forty four anyway. but Here's this is a health span X prze donor, Daniel Krizk, who's a biotech fund manager. He says, You know, and this is about the well meaning billionaires. you could put a trillion dollars into Africa and feed the continent forever But I believe it's better to spend the trillion going to space because all the scientific advances that come from that will save many more lives in the future Based on what? based on what What in like everything we know of space, like everything we know so far is there's fucking notothing usable out there for us except the sun, which we are already harnessing all of the power from. J Give the trillion to Africa It's also like objectively I can tell you, let's see, if you save a million people today, we could do the math, multiply that by two point five every twenty five years, and I'll tell you exactly how many lives we could have in that amount of time. Name 'em, Name 'em. Tell me where's your fucking math Oh my Godd. H can't do it. for a bunch of fuckking people who like legitimately went to MIT shocking how they cannot do math. You know, promising riches in the future is like the oldest fucking grift in the book. Yeah. actually need to invest in space now because again, no data During Aundance three hundred and sixty Peter Diamand has interviewed his own avatar, which had supposedly time traveled back from twenty eighty two They believe, by the way, the singularity will come in twenty twenty nine. The singularity is basically when I don't even know. can you do you know what it is? It's like when robots achieve like human intelligence? Y. Okay So they think that the singularity is going to come in twenty twenty nine and that's going to like open up the next I guess era of technology and health forever and climate and all this stuff, right Okay, so during A three hundred and sixty, Diamantis interviews No, I don't know. I was just kind of thinking of like, if you really believe that, then like You don't need to do all this guinea pigging of people. Just wait till the robots are so smart and they'll tell you the answers. But you know that day will never come So you have to guinea pig all the people and do all this stuff in your effort to live forever because you don't believe your AI is really going to do what you say it's going to do. You've done some math and that math is how many years do I have to promise so that I can get money now And at that point, I'll fucking move to Albania. Yeah. That's the math that they did. And then all these people can kick rocks. Basically. So he interviews his own avatar, which had supposedly time traveled back from twenty eighty two. The avatar, which resembled a young Rapfael Nadal reported that the singularity took place on schedule. And that artificial intelligence quote, essentially solved all material scarcity problems, so that the jobless became the free, living better than twenty twenty five's billionaires You know, the other thing is that none of this is new and that like the industrial Revolution and the first time around of like mechanical stuff and the early days of computers, like these are the same promises that have been made at every iteration of a new technology coming out. And every single time it's been used the same way, which is maximizing productivity while minimizing you know while taking whatever wealth you can to the top of the structure And it really pisses me off because they just get to do this and then they get on CNBC or as we're going to talk about CNN and face zero pushback Okay, let's move to Brian Johnson So we've talked about him in a previous patreon. I just want to bring out everybody up to speed on what we talked about in that episode because that was I don't know, that must have been late last year Okay, so we talked about the fact that he spent two million dollars a year creating this protocol that includes taking dozens of blood draws, measuring his erections, infusing himself with the blood of his firstborn son, eating a macadamia nut, pomegranate and juice, and pea protein mixture he calls nutty pudding in order not to die. He's a YouTuber. He sells protein powder that has too much lead in it and had to be recalled. Um He wants to replace the healthcare system. And in our last patreon, we watched a video of him going to talk to some congressmen and them telling him to like kick rocks That wasn't in your movie, K, Sis sure. He is dating his co founder And he came out with a video being like, Guys, I have a girlfriend, this hot girl that has been living with me and working with me on the Don't Die proroject We've worked Um, and I think most importantly, he has the best fucking PR team on the planet because he got Karis Swisher to come to his house for her first hour, her CNN documentary and make basically an infomercial for Brian Johns.. So I had you watch and we watch, we're going to get into like some more funny stuff that I found But before I do We both watched Karis Wisher, the first episode of Karis Wisher wants to live forever CNN special that's six episodes long Um, I've talked about my journey about Karis Wisher and Scott Allalloway to people who I really used to look up to, but now I think have completely lost the plot or like high on their own supply, and I think are unfortunately uh They are suffering from ice cream scoops, itis. They've lost They've lost a little bit. They've had a a couple chunks taken out for sure. Couple chunks taken out for sure. Do you want to U takeakeaways of this thing because you were like Ivery take care Sister. Yeah. Well, I mean, yes, she's just This is the Patreon Rembers. you can say stuff that ye ye Oh, then then this is a thing that I probably wouldn't have necessarily said, but part of why I haters is slightly personal in that She was when I was working the problem with Johon Stewart and there was a podcast there and we would be on with John or whatever the writers would open it. And then we had a guest and Carol was the guest once and like She came on right after like a writer's segment. It would be and I don't think I was even the one on it and she was like Okay, I'm here now. like you can basically like you can send the kids home And then she's like, why do you why do you do this thing with the Literally called the writers, like who were like very like accomplished writers of this show. like the kids. it was like, it was just so shitty. She had such a shitty attitude. That's about That's so gross. She's like wearing her little fucking costumeator.ator. Anyone who's like, I have a signature thing is a fucking dork. They're trying to like make up for the fact that they're just not interested, you know H and But watching this is like she's just very into herself. Yeah. evenven when she like You know, she takes her own like she pricks her finger and she takes her blood and she doesn't get it first And she's like, Elon Musk was right. I am bloodless. Like she revels in being a known entity with these billionaires And she gives some like light pushback in the most controlled opposition type of way. I think. maybe she's come around a bit. She does seem to be a little bit more like to her credit, like I think she's lost the access that access journalism needs to these guys. So now she's willing to be a bit harsher for them, but she loves being a part of their little world. She does. I know there's something very odd about it. that I couldn't fully put my finger on, but she'll She'll kind of ask him questions and then he'll give an and I'll put a clip in here. He'll give an absolutely insane answer. She doesn't push back at all. She brings no facts, no figures. She doesn't push them back with data at all. And it's a real bummer. Yeah, I don't know what happened. I think I mean, Adam and I talked about the fact that maybe they are now surrounded, like their social circle is made up with so many rich people now. Scott Galloway in particular, that I think that that's where they kind of lose their objectivity. Yeah. Yeah, it's also just a bad piece of work This documentary. it's boring. It's just boring. And she described like, you know, she goes off on a tangent about like how great Steve Jobs was. I don't know if you saw that Yeah she interviewed his son. Steve Jobs really like He was very thoughtful. He wasn't like this crop. He really cared about. And then she said, you know, philosophy history and then she takes like a beat and she goes journalm. It's like, okay, I get that that's what you do, but like she just everything is self agrandized. found a way to make that self aggrandizing. Yeah. I think with so many of these COs it's like the barars on the floor. Yeah He was into history. It's, okay, that's like the most common interest that you I like Yeah, Okay Well J just one quick thing that I didn't write down that is really weird to me. So a lot of these longevity guys do drugs, whether it's DMT, a lot of them love ketamine, And ketamine therapy is now becoming very popular and she does it in the beginning of the documentary Explain to me doing drugs alone Yeah, isn't like I don'll say it on the Patreon I've done ketamine once It's a social drug. It's I can't it like what the whole point like? Okay, I kind of describe it as like You know, and I don't know if this is a boy experience, but girls, when you had a couple of drinks and you're in the bathroom and you like start a conversation with a girl who's having a trouble with like a guy she's talking to, and you're like, you're beautiful, you're perfect. L he's not worth it. like whatever. And that's not a boy experence. And you just have this moment with this stranger, this girl that you don't know and you're just like, we're bonded. connection euphoric and that like, I'm a human, you're You're human and like both experienced this thing That's exactly how I describe how it feels. It's like it's very it's a very social experience Which I don't think is only attainable through ketamine, but that was my experience. Yeah. It was a time and a place. But again, I just don't one thing I would not do is do drugs alone. You do them safely, obviously. and dont I don't get doing them alone. That seems dangerous. and also like not the point That's my opinion. Y my opinion. I guess, but they yes, their goal is not I agree with you, but they're not being social here. They're trying, they're pretending they're doing some type of magical experiment I guess I'll just end it as like it's interesting to me because drugs I think and it's This kind of goes into also like the genen Z, like Gen Z not having drugs, not doing drugs right. I'm like, the point is to have fun. L the point is to like extend in my opinion. Yeah, L and they're not having any fun. Well, I'll tell you what, let's bring this back to our topic. Okay because that is the distinction between longevity and what's the other thing they say health like pan Health span. rightight And lifespan and health span. So that is lifespan and healthpan, right? Yeah It really is where it's like they are doing all this lifespan stuff with drugs, but like you're missing out on the healthpan part of like the enjoying it is the point. Y. If you live an extra, let's say somehow you do eke out, you know, five more years Yeah, but you look like fucking Sumner Redstone Yeah,ve you know, hobbles in like a looks like a puddle and the doctor's like, I gott to call the New England Journal of Medicine. This is incredible I've never seen a physique like this on a man your age. Hold on. mr. Redstone, please Please, this is May I may I draw you like one of my French girls. He's given big dribble. He's givven huge dribble. He looks like an incidable. Yeah. It's true. and that is something that Caris Wisher says, like 're it doesn't seem like you're having fun. Yeah. right? And he says, well, you know, people will say that they'll look at me and they'll say, well, you go to bed early, you don't drink, you how could you have a fun life? And she's like, no, no, that's what I'm talking about. Like I'm not there are people who go to bed early and don't drink and have perfectly fun life. What I'm talking about is you're spending twenty four hours a day looking at numbers on a board. Your life objectively doesn't seem fun. I mean, it's it's also so like that's such an attempted straw man. likeike a lot of people go to bettered. A lot of people eat a healthy peat protein and it's like Dude, you're injecting your son's blood. Yeah, you know, this is not about normal habits Um And I just don't think I think the thing that people aren't saying is like, it sounds like, I don't want to cycle I do want to psychoanalyze. It seems like he's OCD. Like he's got something mentally going on where like he's obsessed and addicted to tracking. and he really struggles. And I'm about to read a tweet that I just it's not a tweet. It's for some reason a post on YouTube. I didn't even know you could do text on YouTube, but apparently you can post of his from about a week ago where he has a complete mental breakdown because the structure that he's created himself, there's a hole in it. Oh, right, right, right So okay, I'm going to read this to you guys I wish I could do a Brian Johnson accent, hisis speech pattern. Bizarre accent, right? whereere you're like, you would think he might not like be foreign, but he's not. He's like he's it's some affectation. It's very strange. And you'll hear a video in a little bit, but Guys, what? I'm sorry Do you think, what not with the sun blloodst? Do you think he's trying to liveorever? He he's turning. He's turning into Dracula. He's slowly like he starts normal and by the end of the dog. He's F. How many years do you plan to live, Brian? One Uh, uh Brian Johnson, this would have been about a week ago G guysys, I'm an idiot All this time I spent trying not to die, I had toxic turf in my backyard Art ofific. Artificial turf contains crumb rubber made from recycled tires, which leaches chemicals including PFAS, heavy metals poolycyyclic aromatic hyperrocarbons. These compounds are linked to hormone disruption, carcinogenity, and systematic inflation I don't know how I missed it. It makes me question my basic competence in life What gets me is that I try so hard to survey the world of potential idiocy. Then I found out there's a monument to idy idiocy sitting right in front of my face that I was blind to I'm removing the turf. Yet, I'm still stuck with the seemingly unsolvable problem how not to be an idiot. You know, whenever these guys have any like self reflection, even if it's that dumb or like that much of a meltdown, there is a part of me that's like, okay, somewhere in somewhere in this thing is some humanity Yeah, you know But it is like But I think he's spiraling. Of course, he's spiraling. He's trying to live forever and he's drinking his son's blood. He's not okay. And everybody in the comments was like, Brian, take it easy, man. Ban, my guy. Like fine. He's got a really I'll say, he's got a very supportive YouTube community who's like, we're all human, bro. Hey, man, none of us think this is real. We all know you're gonna die, dude Calm down. Your skin is the color of a snail. Gay, you're gray man You were knocking on Dath's door already You look wet all the time. I don't know why you always look wet. You're not okay. I don't think it's the turf, dude. He does look wet. He always looks wet. Yeah, like slick. Yes Did you notice that there was a religious element in his process or whatever the fuck he's doing. There was a big religious element in this. No, but I know that it's definitely if you're grifting Throw that in the mix, baby. Get that in the grrift pot So he's ex Mormon, but I took this video from the special. It's fifty two seconds. She looks like EJ Pauly. I think having a deep understanding of our time is limited has pushed me to live a more filling life. But do you feel that death does give meaning? Most people don't want to die. It's Death Cope Death ce, exxplain that. Humans have been dying since the dawn of time. Yeah. And therefore, humans have been shipping products de to help people buy the product that helps them make sense of it. reincarnation, heaven, immortality through deeds. those are the products people buy to reconcile with this inevitable death. When death no longer happens or somehow it's extending a long time, people are not going to buy those products anymore. They're going to buy different moral philosophy products. Which you were there to provide. Exactly right These guys do this with everything, which is like They have MBA brain. Yeah, you know, everything is And some of it like it's products, right? It's all like, look, religion, this guy just quantified religion as a product D what am I doing good deeds as a product? These are all products and you're not going to need these products. So I'm going to offer different products, even like when some of these longevity guys talk, like they all they know is the language of business and engineering. So they're like, you know, it's either a hardware issue or a software issue. Why people die? And it's like they', you know what they are, they they are They are. They think they're so smart, but when it comes to miracle of existence, likeike the genuine miracle of existence. they are the most dunning Kuiter of all time. They can't fathom something outside of the world of engineering. So they' like well, it's simply hardware and software. it's like you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. And that was very clear in the New York article where again, I'm not a science girly. I read it only understood it like twenty five percent, but the human body is incredibly complex. And there are certain like supplements that you can take supplements and they can increase your metabolic rate or your oxygen, but it's gonna be tough on your kidneys. Right. And it's gonna be tough on your li. So there's always we're like a very delicate line between stuff that's really good but not too good thenen it becomes bad. It is Everyone sitting Whatever you're doing right now, You are the product of billion years of miracle evolution starting with, you know formation of the rock that became like it's a true miracle. And then some guy in San Francisco named Brian is like, L, I'm gonna get to the bottom of this. I also think there's an element. I mean, he says it right here, there's this is a tweet, Dear humanity, I'm building a religion. This is Brian Johnson. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I ye, that is that like and again, that's that like weird honesty where it's like, I think you're supposed I think you' supposed lie about that. You know I think you're supposed to say like it's been channeled into your brain from a higher power. can't just be like I'm making it up. but like I guess it kind of worked for El Ron Hubbard or whoever else. Right. He says, hereere's what's gonna to happen. Don't die becomes history's fastest growing ideology It saves the human race and ushers in an existence more spectacular than we can imagine. It is inevitable. The only question is, will you be an early or late adopter? I guess late then I suppose I'll be a late adopter. And he sells these free books that look very much like the book of Mormon. Yeah Yeah, or or dianetics or whatever. Yeah Yeah It's weird because I don't see a ton of people talking about this religious element of his. Karis was sure certainly didn't probe any deeper outside of what I just showed you So yeah, I got to read his religion. have the ten commandment. Thou shalt always be wet inexplicably Thou must inject the blood of thy offspring I think we all agree the Bible is a great product. you know? Yeah. One of the better products out there, but there's new products like heated rivalry. Right. That's a popular product. And he loves that too. So that's a good transition from talking about Brian Johnson starting to religion to Brian Johnson writing smmud U Do you think he actually wrote this? I don't know. I was kind of I was like somewhere between like, aw of it and horrified by it, but are you gonna read it? You should really read it and we should play some sexy music under it. It's really I'll read the first paragraph. Okay, he'siting about I think he's yeah, he's writing about his girlfriend, Kate Wh's The co founder. Yes. like And we try to find a good Good Recca, I read the whole thing, You can't miss. There's no a good You literally jump in anywhere and you're getting talalking about we he the touch. Okay, this is the sex part Okay in concert when the symphony of her body, Biss awaits. Her vestibular Her vestibular bulbs en gorge foring a soft pressurized cuff I don't know what the part is of his body talking about. I J just want to like just like imagine like this is Brian Johnson dirty talk. This is he's under the pillows and he's like Have your vestib H have your vestibular bulges engorged yet I'm just like remain gorgeous St bold.our cervix begins to tent lifting the uterus in preparation Her anatomy has remodeled itself for the dance. This he all posted for some reason on YouTube. We merge Our brain signals collapse into synchrony, phase locking. No longer are we distinct neural patterns, but one shared Waveform. Again, fucking, everything is MBA And I read a lot of Sat. This is crazy, you guys. This is crazy. I don't know why I don't know why. I wish I could I wish I could find the comments of this U because I just saw this as a screenshot in my in my loins. No, not even loins. I feel lo This is like a classic. It would be like in my I feel like justust in timeim production begins. My supply chain is synergistic is synergistically ready to ship globally. You guys Um, this guy loves penises. Do you want to talk about the penis of it all? Oh, I mean, all these guys are like weirdly obsessed with their I'm not weirdly, I get it as a guy. All these guys are regularly obsessed with their dicks, but they're very public about it. like and Brian Johnson is constantly measured like When I say measuring his erections, not with like a fucking ruler, like an aura ring type of thing for his dick, there's like for forty seven minutes while I slept. I sustained an erection with this level of like engorgement and then compares it to his sons hard on, which is like, think of the ways your parents might have embarrassed. You Gring up, like when they dropped you off in front of school and said, like, bye, I love you. And this guy is tweeting to two mill people like, my dick is harder and bigger than my sonss It's crazy. There's there's a whole article about it. This is Vanity Fair why Brian Johnson, Dave Aspy and other longevity bros are obsessed with penises. But there was one part of this Vanity Fair article, which I need to like I didn't have time to do my regular deep, but some Russian doctor did you read it? Like the Russian doctor in the twenties who was putting chimpanzee testicles into men who wanted more virility. So it's yes, I did read that There is, I will say, a lot of animal abuse in longevity research.. And I accidentally found that out because I was a reading a book for book Club, a great book. It's called The Imortalist And one of the characters in the book is a longevity researcher. It's fiction, but And it details a lot of the specifically, there's this one type of small monkey that they use in longevity research. No, it's like I forgot what it's called, but it's very small. It's like the size of your fist Cin? No from They there's a ton of specifically like primate abuse and longevity research, which I think is notable. I'm not going to get into it. It's one of those things where it's like it feels like important to research, You know what? I gott to sleep at night? Yeah and don't w want to do it. If that's something that's interesting to you, there's a lot of artles out. I gott to sleep at night as well and monitor my erections while I sleep But he talks about in this article They talk about Dave Aspy, who's the self proclaimed father of the biohacking movement. And the founder of bulletproof Coffee, which you've probably heard of.s such a funny like combination, but yeah. He plans to live to one hundred and eighty. He treats his penis to injections of stem cells and acoustic wave therapy. For the latter, he helpfully suggests a DIY version if you can't buy his acoustic wave therapy machine C. Whoa Grab the cock and slap it against your leg onn the left sixty seven times You might as well just go sixty nine. I' run the whole thing. Don't you get it, Becca? sixty seven is the number And then on the right sixty seven times. Yeah, Is this where the sixty seven thing came from? I should check the timing, but I bet you it came out at the same time. And then You lightly slap the balls. the shockwaves stimulate the cells All of those are good for testosterone and good for enhancing what's called male energy I didn't realize that I was a practitioner of acoustic what is he even calling it? Acoustic wave therapy. Okay. honestly, if you would ask me what I would guess acoustic wave therapy is, I would think it was having someone gently sing to your penis. N shutting your penis on the door. get into your leg sixty seven times on side. Just in case you're wondering They did for this article, talk to a urologist. u who said he would not recommend this. Go away, mom, I'm doing my acoustic I'm doing my acoustic wave the herrapy Um, There's this I Googled one of his products. It's called the Phoenix device and it was medically reviewed And it looks like a big it looks like the thing that you plug into your car into your cars like a car charger a car charger into your cigarette lighter in your car, but it's like a big version of that And I guess It's too The Phoenix device really sounds like a bad like Robert Ludlam novel, by the way, just sounds like bad sci fi. It's basically a device to use instead of Viagra and Sialis? How does how do you how do you How do you use that big device like It got at eight point four effectiveness guess just on site, I would assume you jam it in your ass It's a handheld low intensity extra corporeal, extra corporeal Shockwave therapy device made Shockwave therapy doesn't say how you do it How it can treat ED. I know why it doesn't sayit I guess you like probably touch it D yourself. Whatever, dude, if I see one of those things in a room, I'm jamming it in my ass. A small but powerful motor repeatedly slams a kind of bullet. housed in the cylinder of the device against a metal plate. The components are tuned so that the resulting vibration from this impact travels down the cylinder and creates a shockwave emitting from the device's tip And now happens. say. I don't know if I just don't get it, but it's like Oh, M, this is good for manen. Mechanically, this is not L Mechanically, this is not unlike how certain power tunnels work. Let me ask you something, Becca. is reading this making your serve tent is yourestular Oh my go, wait, mechanically this is not unlike how certain power tools work using the kind of rotating mechanisms found in power drills and nailguts Oh my God, and this is a replacement for Sal I think I'm right. I'm looking at the shape and I'm confident you jam this thing in your ass It doesn't say I don't know. But it does produce an output of around eighty eight DBs. w can you read the pros and cons? I can't. I'm like crying. Oh my God. Okay, the good news is more pros than cons. I see you right out the gate Okay, here we go, let's start with the proros Ues Okay, this is funny because some of the words like they they've chosen words which do a lot of heavy lifting here. So this s uses the same essential technology found in neurology clinics. Is it the same technology Essentially, what does that mean? donon't know Specs like frequency and decipel output are similar to clinical machines. Okay, the last time it was essential, this is similar. Again, a lot of lifting. Specs like frequency and decibel output are similar to clinical machines The protocol is easy to follow. They haven't told us what it is, but clearly it's jamming it in your ass. Numerous scientific studies support shockwave therapy Low risk of adverse effects. thirty six hour lockout prevents overtreatment Well, what's why? What's the risk of over treatment? You can'ot walk around with this stain or ash more than thirty six hoursty h U ninety day money back guarantee. That's a pro. onene year warranty. I'm not I'm going to be using that thing because I'm going to break this thing hard. Okay, cons Loud operating volume somewhat cumbersome to hold It vibrates intensely, making it easy to drop Costlier up frront than other interventions Okay, this again, I'm going to say this this last con I think it supports my theory. minimal water resistance So Brian Johnson can't use it because he' man wet all the time. No Now it's time to take an ab break Is our head for the Phoenix machine I can't even say. I'm trying to be better at like better comedic delivery, so I can like say things like that and not laugh, but it's really hard This episode is brought to you by Phoix Device Okay Oh my go Holy shit, that was so funny. So that's that Anything more to say about Brian Johnson? talk about him every device let's talk about Peter Ata. We're gonna take a hard left turn and talk about somebody in the Obscene files. God, there's probably so many Vix devices on that island All right So Peter Aata Lly, I want to talk about Peter Gatia because I feel like he is the most famous of all these is the only one that I had heard of separately because he's like on fucking Oprah and he's got a best selling book and he's on always I always see him on like the top podcasts like Hubberman Labs and the Tim Farr showhow and he's on Joe Rogan Um, he's like the most famous and potentially represents, I think the most dangerous element of billionaires in the space because I think there's like just a lot of opportunity for abuse, like abuseive patients. We talk about abusive animals. Um And I just think like just this power dynamic, this like weird medical don't you really need a degree for research lab Um Yeah, it's not surprising at all to me that one of these guys showed up in the Epstein files in a big way Peter Attia, like I said, podcastter, longevity influencer who went into self described Jeffy Epstein withdrawal when he wasn't replying to his emails, according to the emails that were uncovered on Jworld And he was supposed to be a health correspondent at Larry David Ellison slash Barry Weiss's CBS before the files came out as well um Atta graduated from Stanford University School of Medicine I trained Job Johns Hopkins as a resident in general surgery, but quit residency in two thousand six with two years left know that like that was optional and like you could still practice as a doctor if you didn't do residency. I don't think you can if you't resid So maybe you just have a name. you have an MD. you still have the degree, you have a medical degree. Got it. not you're not going be a board certified doctor Okay, so he's doing this clinic stuff But that's what I don't understand. I guess maybe he has people there prescribing medicine. Like I don't understand how he's He calls himself doctor Peter Aa. He is a doctor he also like Be I think you can do like clinician stuff, but to treat Okay. I can't treat patients, but like you be a podcast or cllinical trials or like know that type of stuff. Okay. ye. All right, that makes sense. Either way, he left and then he went to go work for the consulting firm, McKinseie and compompany. hocker He has a ton of rich friends. Obviously we talked about Joe Rogan. He was at Bezos's wedding. He's an investor in AG onene with Hugh Jackman He here he is with Chris Hemsworth in As sauna U There he is with Joe Rogan. Here's Bill Ackman talking about There's a few times in your life when you read a book and you realize that your life will be transformed if you follow its teachings. at Peter Atia MDs Olive is such a book. It can save or massively improve your life I can't imagine a better investment for twenty eight bucks. This book Olive was huge. I mean, here he is talking to Oprah. I don't understand why people trust her still. I can't imagine why anyone would. She is like she has really proven herself to be like H She like a grrifter enabler Yeah at a minimum and she has like a like an antenna for them. like she really like knows who's going to be able to grift well. like she finds these topop notch grippers and she's like, oh, you'reper at the right frequency to grip. Platform them. Yeah I'm it's weird. It's very strange to me and I don't understand why this is still it's like almost makes me think that there's some type of like, this is like the stuff that makes me believe in the cabal Sure. Well can I tell you what I think it is where it's like Before there were podcasts and Joe Rogan is like the kind of king of podcasts. Right, right There was daytime TV. L you railed a relationship with these people because you hear from them one hour or more every day of the week. Right. And so like a was this big thing, but like what she essentially was is what we'd now call a podular podcaster. You're right, you know, And like that always goes down the grifting thing ultimately. That's what we're trying to do. Join you guys are already on the Patreon. Snd more money. Yeah, that's a very good point. Yeah. It's a really good point So okay, A Atta sells video courses on his website, obviously. He has a two thousand five hundred dollars video course. for people who want more than outlive, but can' afford The seventy five thousand per year private longevity fitness coaching program And then he runs his medical practice. This is what I don't understand, sererving seventy five patients for more than one hundred thousand dollars a year each He has patience, like Yeah ye. Yeah, then I don't know. that's something I'd have to like, yeah, look into. Yeah, I don't. Maybe if anybody's in the doctor's space, you can explain this And he was fucking rocked by the abbscene emails. tririgger warning, we're going to go through some of the emails because I mean, I've read a lot of the content A lot of the emails, like the Larry Summers, Bill Gates, whatever, this is the worst that I've seen Yeah. That's I mean, that's fucking, that's saying. And is saying something. So I'm going to go through in chronological order. In a june two thousand fourth back and forth about cancer and longevity, Epstein muses that he's not sure why women live past reproductive age at all. He asks Ata asks Ebstein, if you're interested in living longer solely for the ladies, of course In twenty sixteen, Aa wrote to Epstein's assistant that he goes into JE withdrawal if I don't see him You said twenty sixteen. Yeah. Like this is deep in the like everyone already know knows. Yeah twenty seventeen, he's hanging out with Jeffrey Epstein and his wife emails him and says, hey. baby son stopped breathing, Can you come home? And he doesn't I mean, He ends up going to mental health As Jack Saylor would say, mental health House, which is a mental health facility in twenty eighteen. When he describes being in there, he says I was out of control. He put it to Epstein that in October, the situation had gone from bad to worse. Epstein says, call myself. I'm here to help twenty eighteen, after he gets out of mental health house, he says, quote, I want to make twenty eighteen the year we get serious about your health, Epsteins. brain insul resist insulin resistance body. If for no other reason, at least you can keep up with the twenty three year old beauties This is the famous email from him. Pussy is indeed low carb, but still awaiting results on gluten content, though Um An email I would really love to add five more years to your life while also enhancing your energy performance, even if the only reason to do so is to have more sex When this all came out, he was basically like, I was so enamored by Epstein and his wealth and connections that I couldn't even see past. and it was just clouding my judgment. It's like, you're hanging out with Oprah and Joe Rogan Sometimes you meet a rich guy You're gonna let your son choke to death at home and your wife, That's just you've obviously never been around rich people before. In twenty nineteen, okay. After after Epstein was in jail Atia wrote that he told Epstein directly that, quote, he needed to accept responsibility for what he did. Attia also said that he contacted a residential trauma facility to understand what funding comprehensive care for victims like Epsteins would require. What comprehensive care for victims like Epstein would require buddy, take him to jail like Csequences. Yeah. fuck I mean Because you know exactly what he's thinking. It's like, o, I'm gonna have him sign an NDA. Yeah. It's like, no, we're way past that. Yeah, yeah. like prison for life for Jeffrey Epstein and all of his associates. how about that I mean, people knew about Attia and Epstein's connections pre emails, but like a lot of Yeah free Barry Weiss Right, Choosing him as a CBS medical correspondent. Right. But after this stuff came out and you could actually see the emails, Obviously that changed the story. Two of the best known brands Atti advised publicly dropped him. Others removed all digital traces of him Outlive That's his book at number fifteen, after one hundred and thirty one weeks on the New York Times Bestseller list, dropped off it entirely. On february twenty third, Ata released a statement that's this year through a spokesperson saying that he resigned from CBS newews, marking the end of a contributor role that had only just been announced. Also the New York Times bestseller list is It's like a credit score where it's like this amorphous, like no one really knows where these numbers are coming from. and it's like The news didn't break and then people stopped buying the book. The New York Times just took it off the list and when it before that, they just put it on the list. like they make a decision about this based on They say they have their own metrics Who knows what it's based on? Well, I thought it was that He would have had contracts that that like fake warehouses were buying books type of thing. And then the people who were like contracted, those contracts ended. But even so like New York Times best seller, it doesn't mean like They breached they sold this many copiesies. They're like, we take this data from this, this and this, and they're not transparent about that data. And they're like, these are the best sellers. You're telling me Seenae didn't actually sell a million copies I don't believe it. Basically what I think this is is like a temporary cooldown period. and then in five years we're gonna to see him again. Um I'm back. And and I found out Pussy isn't gen free those emails were actually fucking crazy. I mean, some of them are like, some of them at least they use euphemism. Yeah. And it's just this one, he's just so blatant about it. It's I mean, honestly, the grossest one is I get Jeffrey Epstein withdrawals I think we're let's let's wrap it there. I do have it just a couple like loose thoughts Do you notice how there's no women longevity influencers in this space? In all the longevity influencer research I did, there wasn't a single woman involved in any of this. R Yeah, that's interesting. And I don't know if it's like it's a boys' club and then there I know there's a femosphere and a mananosphere. so maybe they all maybe it's segregated But I just think that's kind of interesting that they're not Totally. I mean, I guess I could see a world where had she not been busted earlier, maybe like Elizabeth Holes could have gotten into this giff. Kind of was. You're right. But she's not really longevity. Like she's she's like tangentially Yeah related,. I don't know. what I do like you know, my kind of takeaway on this is that Life expectancy in most European countries is about three years longer than American life expectancy. And that's because of you know that a lot of it is statistical as far as like they don't have gun murders all the time. But also you could make an argument towards like cleaner, less processed food.ure. So it's like there's actually like the stuff you were saying universal healthca. in universal healthcare, right? So it's like if you really cared about longevity for everything, then you would advocate for gun control You would advocate for changing the way food is processed and handled in the United States, and you would advocate for universal he there. But what you are doing is charging people seventy five thousand dollars a year for your pretend clinic tides and another bullshit in them than pretending to be for longevity the thing that stuck out to me is it really is, it's like the best way to live a long life is be rich. You guys are already living really long. You're going to live longer than most people. like It's kind of the best way to do an. It's like the answer to I'm like, Being rich solves most Yeah Yeah, I think that's I think that's good for now. This was Great fun, really fun episode. We went on a lot of different routes that I wasn't expecting U Anything we have to say? I don't think so. Ticket Master episode is coming out next week. so I got a lot of requests ye I saw some people were asking about that. So like our timing was just just right on. Perfect timing. We actually are gonna have to do we'll have to do an update because we recorded it before the trial finished. Yeah. So but that episode will be coming out really quickly I think that's it. All right, that was fun. hope you guys are having a great week and have a great weekend. and we love you so much. Thank you for supporting us. Thank you for being here Bye. bye