Safety Lessons for Families

Hey everyone, welcome back to Crime Weekly News. I'm Derek Lavasser. And I'm Stephanie Harlow. talking about a case today that we've covered on Crime Weekly News before. Oh, there's finally an outcome in it. It's I have a lot to say about it, but For anybody who Who does it know in two thousand twenty two. FedEx driver Tanner Horner kidnapped and killed seven-year-old Athena Strand. He was allegedly delivering what would have been her Christmas present. Now, why we're covering it today is that a Texas jury has now sentenced Horner to death. And yeah, there's a lot to talk about. Anybody who doesn't know this case, I don't think there are many of you. We'll give a quick rundown and then we'll talk about not only the outcome, but How how all of us can kind of perceive incident in general as it applies to our own lives. But Stephanie, take it away. Um, I mean as as Derek said, this happened in November of twenty twenty two. It was November thirtieth. Uh, so right after Thanksgiving, Athena was a seven year old girl from Paradise, Texas. And she disappeared from her family's property after an argument with her stepmother, which you know, there's so many layers of sadness and tragedy. that what what started and just could have remained as this tiny little argument that parents have with kids and, you know, you kinda get mad at your kid and you're like, go outside or Uh I you know, I can't deal with this right now and then What happened to Athena after that? Is Something that I feel like The parents. the stepmother, the mother, the father, they will never be able to get over. Like that's a a guilt. You know, the last thing that happened between you and your stepdaughter was this argument. It's just a level of guilt that, you know, you are forced to live with because of of this person that that we're talking about here, Tanner Horner, who I don't even want to say his name 'cause he he doesn't deserve a name or to be treated as a human. So she disappears. Athena disappears after this argument, and so at first the Yeah. was hiding or she'd wandered off or she was like, I'm gonna run away because I'm mad at my stepmother. nobody could really understand like How deep it went because investigators quickly started focusing on a delivery made to the home that day, a package containing Venus Christmas gift reportedly Barbie dolls that had been delivered by a FedEx worker driving for a contractor. That driver was Tanner Horner. Investigators traced the delivery route. They reviewed evidence from the truck, and they identified Horner as the person who had taken Athena. Now according to reporting from some um outlets, including AP video and audio evidence from inside the delivery vehicle. showed Athena alive in the van after she was abducted. And Derek and I were Sorry, this is really upsetting. Derek and I were talking on the phone earlier. And he was like, Have you heard this audio? And I said, No. And he said, Don't listen to it. And then I said, Why? You know, like You know, just I'm I'm not going to listen to it, but give me an indication of what's in it, just so I know. for the episode and I don't have to uh listen to it. And he started describing it to me and immediately just my stomach dropped like I felt I felt like the Like I'd been unplugged from the wall. And I just was like losing energy and power and just thinking about what was going through that that little girl's head what she was how she was feeling the fear. Because according to you, Derek, reportedly in that audio you can hear Athena. asking to be taken back home. And then you can hear Tanner Horner. Um is uh attack her, basically and and start choking her and just make it as general as possible. You y you hear You hear her being killed. It was a camera. It's a camera, so there's this the the image that's circulating where you see Athena kind of bes between the scumbag driving the van. And uh Then he covers the camera. And that's why you only have audio. Allegedly he he might have bumped her with the car. I don't even know if I believe that, but he might have bumped her with the car. No, that's what he initially told the police. When they tracked him down, he said, Oh, you know, I I actually accidentally hit Athena with my delivery van and then I panicked, but prosecutors did later argue that this was a lie. Designed to minimize what he had done. Because when you think about it, it's like Did you do? Why did you do that? There doesn't seem to be some elaborate motive here, or any motive at all besides to take this little girl and then take her life. Doesn't appear that he knew her, knew her family. This was a victim of opportunity. But not even for any you know, w which you normally see a man like this taking a little girl like this, there would be a sexual motive. Does not appear that that was what happened here. No, not not that we know of it. So you just wanted to kill a child. That's that's what I'm seeing is the the the opportunity that you took. The opportunity to Take an innocent child who had never harmed you or anyone and murder her. That was your opportunity. That was what you wanted to do. Yeah, according to him. And I don't I don't believe anything he he hit her, but we again that image shows that she was perfectly fine in the truck, right? But then he panicked and and and he took her with her with him and and then he felt that the only option was to kill her. Complete bullshit. Oh yes, because that's a better outcome than Yeah, we're yeah, we're totally past the whole like wondering the why. There is no justifiable reason for this. This guy is a a living monster, right? And When you look at the trial, there were like the victim impact statements at the end. Athena's uncle actually spoke to him and I was just watching this clip earlier today where Apparently. Tanner found God. Right, Tanner found God and they always so did Chris Waters. They always do. Yeah, okay. After the fact after the fact. And the uncle said right out, like I heard you found God. I'm paraphrasing here. I heard you found God, but just understand and he started quoting uh verses from the Bible where it's like, dude, there's no There's no redemption for this, right? You're gonna be you're gonna be held accountable for what you did. And he was very together. I don't even know how he was this calm in this. I think that's why it's time, right? We're in we're in April of twenty twenty six when and this happened in twenty twenty two. And and Horner lied initially. He was like, Oh, y lied to law enforcement and then They found her body. I believe it was like nine miles away. He led them. He led them to her body a few days later. Yeah. Yeah. So And and he he by the way, he kept going with it, saying he was innocent and it wasn't like this just malicious murder and that there was this a he kept lying until been he for y for years, for four years he kept lying. Until right. As the trial proceedings were beginning. In the first week of April of twenty twenty six, when all of a sudden he changed his tune, pleaded guilty to capital murder and aggravated kidnapping. So this is a person who let this drag on, who withheld justice and closure from Athena's family after what he had done to her for four years. Until I think the basic idea and and uh what was probably being communicated to him was This trial's not going to go well for you. No, it it's on video. And finally that's when he's like, All right, fine. I'll own up to an aggravated murder and kidnapping. I wanna talk about the outcome here because the trial started on April seventh. And like you said, he pled guilty. So the proceedings trans to the the penalty phase. And on May fifth, which just passed. at the time of w of this recording, they sentenced uh Horner to to death. Right. Yes. I'm really I I honestly that's the only Yeah. Well, I want to talk about two things. I wanna talk about the sentencing. And then I want to transition to how we apply it to our own lives to kinda wrap this up. But as far as the sentencing, and I put up a post on Instagram. And it might seem hyperbolic. I said in the in the Instagram post like I said F lethal injection. I want to volunteer for the for the firing squad. And I think I said this initially. I'm not kidding. I'm not kidding. I I truly believe in the eye for an eye system and when it's absolutely there's no doubt like that this person committed the crime that w that is being discussed. There should be options here. I know we live in a civilized society, but I just don't think that his death, the manner in which he will be killed. is equivalent to what Athena experienced. And that should be The standard. Probably never gonna happen. But why are there not options for a more for lack of a better way of saying it, like barbaric approach. parents who are the ultimate victims here. Have The choice to be more involved with this person's death. Because This point And I don't think I don't want to speak for them, but I'll I'll speak for myself. If this had occurred to me You are never the same. I mean, I would go as far as saying you died, a part of you at least died that day with your daughter. And I'm not trying to make this morbid, but that's the truth. I don't think that's like an out of the pocket statement. I would want Justice By my own hands. as her father. And it still wouldn't make me whole. But it would at least give me something for a moment where I could feel something. And why are we not talking about something that would be more painful? I just w just put it out there right. Like put him in a room. with five life in prison guys who have children. And let's see how that goes for him. Allow the parents to be more involved with this with the death sentence. Or I mean just torture, like you know, like a public like execution like they you know, like they did back in the old days. You know, drawn, hung, quartered, all of that. Like really str stretch it out. Like Make it something because This is a person who you can never make him feel what a the NFL because he's he's a psychopath. You know what I mean? Like he's a psychopath. Like you you clearly aren't right. There's something in you that's missing, so you'll never feel the fear. pain that that he that you made your victim feel. But At least you should be tortured. At least you should feel the physical pain. He'll never feel the fear that a seven year old girl felt in that situation. Because he doesn't feel things the way normal people do. But but something needs to happen where it's not just like like you said, yeah. He's gonna fall. And there's gonna be people in the comments, by the way, who like, actually, actually There's always those people actually actu there's there's evidence that lethal injection can be very painful. Don't do it. Don't do it. Don't do it. Even if there's a a few seconds or a minute of suffering, it will never compare to what he did to that little girl. Agreed. Tie him down. allow Athena's father to go in that room and strangle him to death. The same way he strangled his daughter. Eye for an eye. Very simple. That's that's my vote. Honestly. I'm not trying to be hyperbolic. I I don't think the Punishment here. is equivalent to what Athena experienced. And there's nothing you can do to bring her back. you can at least try and have this person experience something. that his victim did, if not worse. I can't be in a politics, I can't be a judge because I can't be a legislator because this is to me an injustice. There should be more. But definitely let us know what you guys think. And we're not trying to just be clickbaity here. Like that's truly how I feel. And I know Stephanie well enough to know that she's on the same page with me. I don't care if it pisses people off. I don't have any sense of justice for her family by him getting the death penalty, like, okay, great, he's gonna be killed with with the most humane way possible. Great. That doesn't do it for me. But to transition because we can't bring Athena back. But we also know that This guy's not the only one out there like this. And I had some of you guys DMing me about delivery drivers and I don't I think it's more than that. It's not just delivery drivers. I don't want to attack PS workers or delivery drivers or U S P S workers. I think we can all learn from this. There was a quote that the uncle said, I'm going to say it now. Quote, he robbed us of safety, peace, and our trust in the world. and forever changed who we are as a family. That's important, that quote, because it should change all of us. Because if it happened there, it can happen in your backyard. And I will tell you, when we first covered this case. I I made some changes at home and more recently being reminded of this case, something that I used, this isn't an indictment on Amazon, but there's a feature called Amazon Key. And for anybody who's not familiar with that, Super convenient. It allows the Amazon driver access to your garage, where once they get close and they scan the package, it'll automatically open the garage and then close it. As they leave. Super convenient, love it, keeps your packages from getting wet or stolen. I get it. I was just gonna say, like, don't most people have doors leading into their house from the garage. So do I. I do and I have cameras. Absolutely not. I might as well give somebody the code to my garage door. Like, what are you talking about? I agree. And I had it. I'm I'm blaming myself here. I had it. We and you think that I would know better. With Tanner, from what I've un understood about him. He didn't have an extensive criminal history, if one at all, but he may have had some mental health issues that he was working through. The the moral of the story is, and this is in response to some of you guys in the DMs in the comments. He got through the cracks. Unfortunately, there wasn't really anything to detect. My point being that that there are other Tanner Horners out there in other professions right now. And you can't stop that. You can't stop that. Only thing you can do Fat X, uh the garbage man, the the people mowing your lawn. Uh it doesn't mat any and there's so actually the The uptick in how many things we have delivered to our homes now It's insane. And the exposure of random strange people who we don't know if they do have a criminal history, if they do have mental health illnesses, or if they are just a crazy psycho path like Tanner Horner, we don't know. And we're just like bringing them right up to our doorstep. Yep. Wal driving up to your doorstep. Peyton in the back yard on the trampoline. Now I'm always out there, but still the point remains. We as a society have to learn from this. I don't think it's an overcorrection of like you don't want these services anymore. there has to be an understanding that not everyone coming to your home. has good intentions. I think I sh I think the default is just assume they don't. I agree. And it doesn't mean you have to treat them disrespectfully. What they're doing is providing a service that a lot of us enjoy, including myself, but we have to take the proper precautions, right? We have to make sure, and I've done this with my children, like they're not allowed to answer the door. The deliveries are always left at the doorstep. I don't care how cold the food gets. I've changed some things with the Amazon key. That's not an option anymore. If your kids are outside. Even if it's in your pro on your property and you think it's safe. Do your best to be out there with them. Yeah, because you can say, Oh, I have cameras, but Tanner Horner clearly didn't care about cameras. He had one in his truck. No, and it's too late at that point. You have to have someone out there. It's inconvenient sometimes. You got stuff going on. Ice cream truck, they wanna d run down the driveway to go get some ice cream. Don't Take the risk because the potential outcome is not worth it. You can ask any family, including Athena's. And they would tell you the same thing. Be annoying. Be obnoxious. Be the helicopter parent. I'd rather your child feel like, oh, come on, dad, or come on, mom, like I can't even walk down the road by myself. No, you can't. I am doing it for me as much as I am for you. I will be there and Y the only way to guarantee something like this doesn't happen. is if you're present. So if that's the only guaranteed option I have, that's the one I'm choosing every time. And for me. When Peyton or Tenley says, like, I'm gonna go down the road or I'm gonna walk to a friend's house. When I initially think like they're fine to walk themselves, I can I can see them from here. I think about Athena. And I think about all these other cases we've covered. And every time I make that walk because of them. So don't let this tragedy be in vain. learn from it and and make sure that you're protecting the people you care about. because that's the only thing we really have to gain from this horrific experience at this point. I don't know if you I mean that's the thing that's I don't like I I didn't I mean it was important that we talked about this case because we talked about it years ago. We did a crime weekly news. Got to do the update. On it. We have to do the update and This is the best case scenario update. that we could have, right? And it's not even good, but I agree with you. So we can't we can't bring Athena back. It would have been terrible if he went to trial and on some technicality didn't get you know, didn't get charged with murder or didn't get, you know, the death penalty or something like that. Yeah, so I mean, this is the best case scenario we can get. So the we are updating on it and um Yeah. Can we transition to a positive note because I just feel horrible. 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