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From Breaking Up is Hard to Do (Criminal+)May 29, 2026

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Hi, it's Phoebe This is an episode of Criminal Plus. The show I make with Lauren Sr, co creator of Criminal It's very different from criminal. My father thinks it's the better show If you like it and want more Become a member of Criminal pllus at patreon d. com slash criminal It's the very best thing you can do to support all of our work I know you've heard me say that before But it is really true And right now you can use a special promo code, join twenty five to get twenty five percent off an annual membership Again, that's patreon dot com slash criminal There's a link in the show notes too Welcome to Crinal Plus. I'm TV Judge. I'm Lauren Spr Luren, I have been on a journey Uh, I have been on It's maybe one of the biggest journeys' ever been on my life. and it has nothing to do with traveling You also have been alongside me for part of this journey over the past ten days I have to say and I don't mean this to be rude, but you have really impressed me. We are starting something new and that is going to be a new video series We're going to be releasing videos of interviews I do with people, and there'll be an audio version too, but there'll also be a video version that's going to live on YouTube. You know, everyone else is doing it, so we thought Why not us? We'll try. We'll try We'll try And so because of this, because we were going to do video, and We haven't done it before. We decided that we were we were going to make my studio that I'm in in Massachusetts a lot of the time into a more of a video studio And that meant that for the past four days I have been there. I'm back in North Carolina now, but I've been there with very talented camera people and more importantly as I'm learning, lighting people, getting the studio video ready. So they did their jobs and they did a wonderful job. But I had a job And that job W getting camera ready. Gust getting camera ready myself. And it was suggested that I should try a bit of makeup. Now I've, of course worn makeup in the past. I wear makeup for the live shows. I wear makeup for photo shoots when I do them. I wear makeup for big events, but I don't wear makeup in my daily life And I think it's safe to say that you don't you haven't applied the makeup that you've worn in the past. True. I mean, maybe I've screwed around a little bit with mascara But you know, I haven't really. And so This is also the type of situation which we're going to be doing these videos often. I think we're going to be doing them, you know, it's not gonna to be every day, but It's a big experiment, but I needed to know how to do this myself. You know wasn someone's not going to come in and put the makeup on me every time I do a video interview. So what were we going to do? So last week, Lauren went out to Sephora and said I'm going to buy you some makeu I wonder if it's worth putting up. The journey pictures of the makeup stages Lauren came over to my house with a bag from Sephora and Lauren, what were you you had just decided what you thought I might need? Yes. And I think that our criminal plus listeners O most trusted best friends, we can say Phoebe has had a little bit of a red face for the last year or so. And so what do you One challenge for this camera project was like how do we mitigate the redness? Lauren We can talk about Rosacea at another show It's a journey. It's a, when I walked into SZephora, I thought to myself, she's gonna need something green Bea I think you use green I think if you put green makeup on top of Red's face, it makes the redness look better. So I was looking for a green product, which I found I was looking for a translucent powder, which I got from Clinique This was a Sephora located entirely inside of a coals. Have you ever experienced that before? I walked at the front door, what I was looking at from the parking lot was a Sephora next to a C'. And then I walked in the Sephora doors and I was in the Cals. And I was like, oh, I went in the wrong door. So I walked back out. and then I was like, oh no, I guess that's right. Walked back in And then the Shara was entirely It was like the middle of a doughnut and all around you in the Sephora you were inside of a coals So it wasn't It wasn't the most that Sephora could offer. It was a little bit of a smaller selection, but I made it work Translucent powder Thisuy some mascara. I got a brown eyeliner that had a brush on the other side and a laa Niiege lip mask, which is a product that I like. and a clear eyebrow gel and a blush stick And so I was operating with this when I put on makeup, I like to keep it simple and fast You can do it in the car if you need to. you can do it with one hand if you need to. So I thought Phoebe probably wants it to be simple if she's going to do it at all So Luren showed up and she said, We'll just sit here at the dining table. No light needed Don't worry about lights. We had a huge sunlight, huge open bay window. And Then she said, just use your fingers. Yeah, that's how I do. Just just start. and a brush. I got aicene brush, but just use your fingers, she said And I Apply the green,'t se it. Well, also everything, Luren. you just kept saying use your finger. Don't worry. spread it on. And so I did. And I'll tell you, at the end of it I have never exactly known what the definition of a bordello is But I looked that I worked there and had worked there overnight was It was a I think it was a really there was I think the problem was we did a layer of green concealer, then powder, then we tried more green concealer and then more powder. So I feel like we had a layer cake And then we had put the eyeliner on and then we decided let's see how it looks with more heavieron. Heavier. It was just an experiment. And we sent some photos to our colleagues and their response was Polite The response what's interesting is One always wants to be polite to your colleagues. And so sometimes if you just see something that might be a little off, you don't say anything You say looks great This was so off that they couldn't stop themselves. No, I think something to your credit, something about working with you is that you it's like no one wants to just in my opinion I feel like you invite directness Like when you ask a question, I feel like it's abundantly clear you want an honest answer, which I find absolutely refreshing. And I wish more people operated like that. Well, they were honest. Yeah, which is great. So we needed to fix that. And so I said just wash it off and try again later and then I hit the road So that was like the extent of my contribution. So the next A couple of days later, I was flying to M. Massachusetts because it was my niece's parent teacher conferences weekend, parents weekend. So I was going to see her. And she is seventeen. And so if you're seventeen A certain type of seventeen year old, you know how to do makeup Sure makeup is wonderful. She loves to do makeup, and she said to me, Don't worry, Pobe, I'll take care of it. I'll teach you how to do everything And so laid all the products that Lauren got me out and she had some questions about some of Lauren's choices. The first thing she said is, Phoebe, where are the brushes You don't have anything to apply. And I said, Lauren just says, use your fingers. And she said She didn't really know what to say. And then she had me, she said, The first thing introduced, she made me put on this headband It's a makeup headband. It has a big bow in the front of it. She said that's going to help And so then she taught What does that do? Keeps your hair out of the so you can get the makeup all the way up on your forehead. She said I had to wear it. We have a little We have a little video that she had me take of how I should apply the makeup. Should we play a little clip of it Kids in my eyebrows, we'll fix that right Okay, do you think I need more or do you think this is a good four How much do you usually put? I mean, you put a little more of the if the Okay, yeah But don't use the green drops or should I H green drops? Yeah. this that So you can get that o Girl You could do that too That's why you need to have like a brush. This is like You don't You know when you sciss their hands, I would put a little here Then I sent a picture to Lauren. And I said, What do you think? And you said Can you do more makeup? I mean, it looks so good. Looks these kids today. I don't how did they learn? It looks fantastic. It looks fantastic. but It wasn't It maybe it was a little too much. It wasn't no makeup makeup, which is what I wasam High glam. And so then so I get to the studio, I leave everyone and by myself Camera people are setting up cameras and lights. and here we go. I'm on I gott to do it myself. You were unresponsive to phone calls and texts for a pretty long time, and then I just received the photo and And then I knew what you had been doing with your time What did you think? Fighting for your life with the makeup mirror No, it looked wonderful. I was completely impressed. After what, like one tutorial from me, which was helpful and one Really helpful tutorial from your niece and you are now very good at putting on makeup. Well, I was absolutely impressed. So yeah, so it's a new life. It's makeup life Every day or No, not every day. onlyn when we're doing the videos Wh is just going to be often. Yeah, but you know, the thing about the videos is it's been, I think for all of us here, we've all been a little bit, you know, We know how to cut audio. We don't know how to cut video. Um, but actually kind of fun. It's Kitty Bishop and I were on a six AM video interview yesterday with a man in Australia. That was a little rough to get the makeup looking right at six AM. But another thing for you is you don't want to have wet hair. I think that's for you Well what is like can you imagine turning on like morning news and the newscaster had wet hair Yes, doing But I have another question for you, which is you're doing some off the cuff videos for social media. Are you worried about the contrast being very great between an off the cuff Phoebe on her way to go jogging And then high glam Phoebe. peopleeople are they gonna know it's the same person or Anyway, the video thing is exciting. It's totally brand new for all of us We've recorded three so far. including with one with a big celeb Yeah U, Well, big celeb, it's not beyon Well, it's a very famous crime writer Fiction Women Phobe you have a trivia question I do have a triview question. Tview with Phoe Born In what state? And at what speed is the highest speed limit. in the country It is not all over the state. It is on a section of highway. H we been on it posted speed limit. We have not been on it. I can even if it's be helpful, I can give you the state and then you can just pick But I don't want you to give me the state, but I'm gonna do a pre lim that it's South Dakota And do you know what the speed limit would be the posted speed limit eighty I will get back to A at the end of the show I'm also interested in Montana The only speeding ticket ever got in my life Oh What state and at what speed is the highest speed limit? in America Right before this call, I was reading about A woman named Arielle Koig thirty seven. She's a central witness in a murder trial. Her husband is on trial for trying to murder her. And so at the trial, she read a birthday card that he had given to her that morning Can I read it to you? Happy birthday, Angel Face. This is the card that her husband gave her shortly before he attempted to kill her on a hike Happy B birthday Angel Face. This there isn't an obstacle in this world too hard for me to fight through for you You're the heart of our family. And that heart is strong. You're a terrific mom. The kids and I hit the jackpot with you. Lo always G This is what happened A couple of years before The husband, Gerhartt logged into his wife's WhatsApp account and saw that she was exchanging WhatsApp messages with a coworker who was also married And they worked together at a nuclear energy company She worked remotely And then apparently the relationship was lotots and lots and lots of messages, but nothing ever physical according to the wife. But the husband, sometimes they were messaging all day long. on weekends and always talking about sort of personal things. and they had a code word. So if Arielle Konig wanted to tell her orker that her husband was nearby. she would use this work term HAL EU, an acronym for a type of nuclear fuel that they both worked with professionally The husband finds this out. He can't stop monitoring her phone. He's like obsessed with it He confronts her and then they agree that they're going to not separate. They're going to give their marriage two years, a two year project And then he asked his wife, what do you want to do to celebrate your birthday? And she said she'd always wanted to visit Oahu And she says, you know, we can go another time. We don't have to go right away. and the husband immediately books the trip gives his wife the birthday card, gives her a necklace, and then according to her and according to the prosecution He They're on this hike that's over like a rugged cliff. He grabbed her and began pushing her toward the edge of the ridge. She threw herself down and grabbed onto some shrubs and bushes and it was just screaming and screaming. And then according to her Her husband pulled out a vial and a liquid and tried to inject her with something from a with a syringe And that is what I was just reading about Have you heard this story? How many Stories have we talked about this year of men trying to kill their wives on hikes. This leads me to a very important thing that we should talk about G Strength It is one of the key indicators of overall health This woman was doing something right if she was able to hold onto those shrubs. Grabbing hold of roots and shrubs. Grip, strength This was something, we're having a graduation party this weekend. And I thought, I always like when we throwy when a throw party, I always like there to be something. You know it can't just be a cocktail party. There should be an event, you know, so your roast oysters or there's something, you know, some built around something. Will we be testing our handstrength? This is what I was thinking. Last week, Sarah bought one of these things for twenty three dollars on Amazon. It's a digital display and you squeeze it as hard as you can and it shows you your power Sarah did hers. sixty eight. Fantastic. Normal range Great And then I did mine And I thought It would be so fun at the party to have everyone go around and you know you have to write it on a little list. I thought you would really like that, Lauren. I would really. Then I was thinking, I did think to myself, Lauren would love this so much for twenty five dollars, shouldould I just get it for her for like her birthday present? You just And then you can train and test again. I don't know what mine was? You didn't ask What was it? What's the max? I don't think there like maybe one hundred and ninety One three. Wow. Okaykay, I can't wait to try. And it's fun because your left hand, your right hand. but anyway, grip strength. St thinking about it if you haven't Clearly There are circumstances where you may need to hold on to roots or shrubs. And you need to make sure those fingers are strong enough Speak it of fingers, Lauren It's like Marilyn Monroe just came across the screen M. J. Bye. Tut tut your hand up across the screen It's like Marilyn Monroe. Thank you. Wow. That is a What mood do you have to be in to get that color of red on your nails. because it looks like nineteen fifty two over there What do you mean, Mat Mood? It's like just classic. but but I know it's classic, but it's like a Marilyn Monroe color, you know, that that bright bright red I feel like if you're going spend the money you need to do something Although I know I'm the person who said, go do it with no polish at all. But if you're going to get polish, I feel like you want to see it. you want to notice it I just went and had my mother and I went and got manicures. Well I can tell Do you know what her favorite nail polish color is ever since I was a little kid? No My entire life, G's called Grand Canyon Sunset And so anytime we go to a Nailalon together, she'll say, I wish they still made Grand Canyon sunset. and it is like such a potent memory. it Orangey red. It's like a brownish red Do you remember when Niickki Silver. mayaybe it was Davia Nelson, the Kitchen sisters. We were at some audio confonerence festival in New York And I think we were doing something. We had a little part of it, but then we stayed for Dav and Nelson's Yeah whole entire audio piece her just reading Names of lipsticks. That's right. It was great. It was wonderful because the names are so wild Yeah it was just Name after name after name My mom asked me an etiquette question, which I will now ask you. How early If any amount early, can you check in a VRBO or an Airbnb with a Kypad door So check in is at four. How early would you dare to go I would write to the owner beforehand and say, I'm just I said I'm arriving at two. Is there any way to So that's what I would do. I would be too scared to go I would never I would go to go get I would go fifteen minutes early, but I would just write to the owner and say I'm going to be in the area, Is it possible to check in Well, she sent me the message one hour before check in. I didn't see it until twenty five minutes before check in. and I said, I replied, I wouldn't do that. And then she replied, Oops because she was already in Um Lauren, I have a story that we have I've been following this story. we all have for a little while, but there was movement on it this week This is the story about the woman and the bees in Massachusetts This was this was a few years ago. A woman she was in her mid fifties She showed up at her friend's house, an elderly gentleman who was being served eviction papers. He had cancer, he was sick, and the sheriff's office had shown up to serve him eviction papers His friend, this woman, shows up Wearing she's a beekeeper And she showed up wearing her beekeeper suit with a truckload of beehives behind her. She got out of the car As suit in her suit, full suit. as they deputies were trying to evict the man, serve her friend eviction papers Oh of the hives and let the bees Go towards the officers Officers were swatting bees away. Beehives were falling on each other, crushing some bees The officers were We're very Stung, some of them badly. They were all okay, but they were badly stung. She says it was an accident. She didn't know the hives opened. She, though, was in her full suit with hood So but she was in her full suit. so she did not get stung. She was convicted four misdemeanor counts of assault and battery and two counts of reckless assault She spent six months in jail waiting for the trial and then served another couple of weeks Um What she said when they asked her. She said that she was why she in the hives, she said she was only wanting the bees to forage on a lovely landscape She had no intention. She was wearing the full suit. Well, I also read that she was wrestled to the ground by the police officers And then a bunch of herbes died during that And a queen bee dies after it stings So if they're stinging all of the police officers It's kind I understand it could be very dangerous if any of the officers were allergic, but it is it is't it's kind of creative at least We need to hear some creativity in the world It's hard to imagine hearing about your friend something bad happening to your friend, and then your first thought is I'm going to load up the bees. Where's the suit? It reminds me of our This is loveve episode about bees Telling the bees. There's so many things in that that I think about. yeah, especially, I guess like where we got the title, the idea that you have to tell the bees when someone has died It is it true that bees are the secret to life? that this is the marker of the health of our entire ecosystem. Yeah.. I think Someone like God, okay, someone told me the other day that there's a woman in town who has chronic Lyme disease and that her she's undergoing this interesting treatment where she manually stings herself up and down her spine. bees and that it is working that of all the different treatments she's tried Have you ever heard of this? No But chronic Lime's no joke, so How Make a be. How do you what do you hold? Yeah You must hold it. You must be And then you can just like force it to sting you I pitched a story, yeah. I pitched a story a couple of months ago about a man who was who had purposefully let himself be God Bitten by snakes venomous snakes so that his blood could be used as an anti venom for others Oh, that's interesting. I know. We're having a hard time getting him to call his back. I had a pottery teacher tell me that he had been by a brown Mcluse spider. And that they used the antienom drug that they used at the hospital meant that if you were ever bit by a venom mistake, it wouldn't work. as though Once your body's acclimated to these antivenom medications, like you only have one chance, sort of Yeah, I think it's something to worry about Well certainly around here with the copperheads. And all the spiders You know what you have to watch out for Lorn. What? Getting into your car Because they like the coolness under cves. You've gott to watch your hand. C. Spiders or snakes. Copperheads Oh my God, I have really big news, which is that in the last episode of Criminal pllus, I talked about my Garbage can buckles whichich I was really excited about because I thought it was keeping the raccoons from getting in. Last night, open the carport door, hear a loud thrashing around And I and then a little raccoon popped his head out. He had somehow like pried the plastic open, gotten in, and was just in there eating So I need to rethink the buckles. Tighten the buckles. Did you let them out? No because he he let himself out. I was scared to go too close. As you know, I'm dealing with something really big, which is that I attempted to write an email to break upp with my therapist. What if she's listening to this I don't think that she is. I absolutely think she could be What? without ever telling me no. Oh, absolutely. Oh, I think that would be actually like a weird violation, donon't you think So where' thep this liston? We're just gonna Well No, no, no, no, no, no, but you know, I don't really have I just it's kind of a retainer situation with me. It's a I keep her on retainer a bit It's a rather quick check in every two weeks, sometimes ten minutes, sometimes so I don't wantan to waste a lot of her time So . Yeah Mm I think she gets it I think that this is one of the more difficult social projects I've undertaken in my entire life We discussed this this morning, and you and I differed on how we would have approached this. Well, I this is what I want to t the listener. I wrote It's sort of like if you're receiving difficult professional news. So a lot of times they send an email so you have a minute to sort of digest. So I sent an email say that I would like to discuss, but I am feeling like it's time to wind down And then then I said, looking forward to your thoughts. Yeahah. and I'll see you on Monday and we'll talk. And I imagine that we'll meet a number of times to talk about it. It's not just like a goodbye forever But it is I am stressed. I am stressed. And I said I would be too. I said that the way I would handle this D not at the end of the session At the beginning of the session, I would have said I'd like to talk about something. what words would you o, keep going. would you? Aually I'd like to talk about something. Okay, but I've been thinking a lot about this and I've been thinking about it for a long time And I think maybe I'm not. getting as much of out of these conversations as I used to, because I think I'm very different now And I think I've changed a lot. and I've just been thinking about it at the end of our sessions, making it about you. I've been thinking about it at the end of our sessions. I'm realizing I'm not getting enough. And so you this long preamble, me, it's me, I'm the problem, I'm the problem, I'm the problem And then she says Lauren O course I just want to support you in anything you want. And ye, you know, and then then you've open. So that's how I would have. Now cats out of the b what's done is done I think I was worried that if I didn't sort of take a minute to choose my words carefully that if I said I'm not getting as much out of these sessions, that could something like that could feel like an insult to her. So I wanted to make sure that I was deploying the information carefully pllanted the seed. so now she'll know what I want to talk about so like what if something sort of chaotic happens the morning of the session and then I chicken out and don't bring it up Well, I think this is I think this is a new It's a new level being feeling like a grown up And she hasn't responded. so If you're looking for a new therapist You may need to look no further We are offering your services Maybe after you hear this email that we received this week Heother wrote My husband and I have been married twenty years We've developed different views and opinions over those years Ten years ago, we were at a breaking point in difference of political views But one thing we agreed on, we loved criminal. It was the one thing we were able to talk about and discuss without opposition The subtle social justice points made in personal stories relevant to current events brought us to the same page Now a decade later, we still love criminal and we are in the best place We've ever been Wow Who needs better help? But we need them to sponsor us. We do Vetterhelp d. com slash criminal Should I go contact a betterter Hel therapist for advice on how to break up with my real life therapist. Um We also got another email about this is so interesting. couples listening to criminal together. Here's another one we got. This listener wrote in from Oklahoma and said, she put on criminal during a big storm while she and her husband were sheltering in their laundry room with their animals Because criminal was something we could agree on Wow, not just putting people to sleep, also bringing people together I say that only because When I was doing a lot of Phoebe reads I would oftentimes hear from couples Wh would tell me that they would turn Phoebe reads on at night in bed And that's how they would fall fall asleep. So it wouldd be like the couple as part of their couple. Okay, a threpple Speaking of romance I was thinking about this earlier and I didn't bring it up because I just was remembering Sarah's sister used to work in a flower store in a florist and On Valentine's Day She would call us at the end of the day and read to us what she remembered of the cards that people would have her dictate in their flower arrangements. Oh, that's so good. And it was Shocking Imagine. Oh I would have just guessed it was all like happappy birthday Not my last? No. No Roger callalls up and said, well, what do you like on a card, Roger I can't even say it. Wildings. Eerotica? Yes No wilds up a look into the human psyche. Yes Yes, she would report, she couldn't make this stuff up. I don't know, I was just thinking about that Can you give an example Yeah, I'll give an example. It's totally inappropriate. Is there something like psychopathic about dictating that to a stranger who works in the florist shop and making them write it? what that's what was so fascinating. You know what I mean? Exactly.n' this isn't typing it in one thousand eight hundred flowers. You can type your own message. This is Okaykay yes, sir, what would you like me to say Get ready for daddy, big boys coming home later, Happy Valentine's Day I made that up, but you got the gist Anyway, wow. I don't know I thought about it. It's not Valentine'. I don't I was Really touched by the responses to the Costco episode And how yes, and the number of people who are begging us to now go to Trader Joe's We've had so many emails and calls from people saying, please now go to Trader Joe's. I'd be happy to go to Lauren. Would you be happy to go to Trader Je' I think I think I'm going to lead you down those. do you know Trader Joe's that well I feel like you can take me around Wegman's, but I just need to say something because when we were in Costco, I was excited to see sk's brand samosas, which is one of my favorite foods. And someone wrote in to say that they bought them because of that and that they were disappointed. And I have to say that I agree and the su' samosas at Costco are bigger and different than the ones that you get at the regular grocery store And because they're bigger, they're more dried out So you're not recommending them Well, how is I supposed to know that the ones at Costco that look exactly the same are going to be bigger and different O Costco like the individual food item I thought would have been the same inside of. Yeah, me too. Yeah. No. No, that's an anomaly. Sk, that's anomaly It's making me suspicious didn't no. That's the one product. one product flaw People thought that I sounded really excited about the samples, which was mortifying to hear. but Thank you for listening We got an email from Jonathan He says, as a fellow seelter addict, I suggest the purchase of a soda stream or the like. And you need to keep a backup CO two bottle and you will never run out I know. The problem is that then that requires a different type of transport. You have to make this seter and then pour it into another vessel And that hurt It takes up a lot of space. Jonathan, thank you. Of course, I've considered it. and certainly with the I understand about the added flavors and seltss supposed to be terrible for us, Cancer Central. But I am working on it. I'm working on less you know, I Cs, The cans are lined with plastic. twoo seelters? is two liacroix a day. T caner die cooe. O out three cans a day. Alson has a fact check She says, I am also a huge fan of Gardeners worldorld. I'm from the UK, but I live abroad in a hot dry city, unnamed. So for me, it brings great joy to see my home country and how green it is. Just wanted to fact check your it's been running for twenty five years, quote comments about the show. She says the show started in the sixties and has had over fifty five seasons so far That is impressive Well, that's yeah, yes, I knew it had been long Monte Don on for a very long time. um, Well We also got a note from Adam, who says, Phoebe, you mentioned that your wish was to fly over your house and tip your wings. I wanted to suggest that you book a discovery flight with a nearby flight school. You'll be shown the basics of flight controls and will actually fly the plane. If you live close enough to the home airport, you might be able to arrange with the flight instructor to fly over your house. I think that's a great idea and you should bring a recorder Bring us with you. I will stay on the ground I after my recent video interview. Uh two days ago with someone who flies their own helicopters I have Just I'm right there. I need nothing else to get me to get in that plane and start taking lessons. I am re pretty close to a very good flight school, so there's no excuse And that is what I did for my birthday last year. I took the biplane ride over the house U but I wasn't flying Lauren, are you ready to find out the answer to the trivia question? Yes. So you give us South Dakota and eighty miles an hour Yes. You're wrong on both This state is Texas Hm. highest posted speed limit in the United States is a stretch if I believe Route one thirty. couldould be one let me let me actually tell you. One thirty It's a forty mile section of the Texas State Highway one hundred and thirty toll road, also known as the pickle Parkway between San Antonio and Austin. and the highest the posted speed limit is eighty five miles per hour. Wow Rarely have I ever gone eighty five miles an hour? I can't imagine. And then you go five over, you're going ninety I you like to talk about things you've been enjoying lately? Yes, I would Well, I think one of the things that you've been enjoying and I've been enjoying. We actually, I don't know if this has ever happened before. I think we have a crossover. This is also this ist gonna to be a reveal into our lives Part of it What do you mean a reveal into but tell me what I'm just wondering what the reveal is going to be. I just think this is this is personal that we'd be interested in this, yes Well, we bought the founding membership for a month. so I don't know if we're going to be interested in next month. There was ahbe, I had a misunderstanding about this also. I said I bought I became a founding member which she somehow thought meant that I was like An investor u in a new local Yoga studio But it's not just yoga, it is hot yoga And cont. We are both going and we are We are trying so hard in there. hereere's what happened. Lauren said there's this new yoga place that's just opened in downtown Durham. Well, we know why you're going back because the smoothie bar are pretty good. She said it's great. So the best thing about it is that you can order your smoothie before class. and when you walk out of class, it's lined up for you with your name on it. No waiting. She said, wouldould you come with me? And I said, Laura, I can barely do yoga and I certainly have never done ha. First I misunderstood and thought I could bring you for free because of my founding membership which was incorrect. So I went to an hour long Hot yoga class. I have not done gone yoga yoga classons about eight years, a real life yoga class. I do little yoga, peloton stuff and I didn't know what to expect I go in there, I grab a little towel We open the door, it is it is just an furnace It's hundred and seven degrees. Lauren and I put our little mat side by side. And we start going The sweat pouring off of me. I look over at Phoebe's Mat. It is like at the dog. got out of a lake and shook off Y mat was And I said, you were sweating more than me because you have such high levels of cardiofitness. I was sliding. My feet were sliding. I didn't know. It was also just glaring at me the entire time You're so hot You can't do anything. You don't understand the poses. Warrior One two, front lunge crescent moon, Sivasana. The music is very loud. I couldn't hear. I was so hot. I cannot hear thening. She's just trying to follow along with her. So we go to the first we get out of it. and then the most wonderful thing in the world is at the end of it, they come by with a cold lavender towel and it feels like Eone it must this must be what heroin feels like. Fantastic Anyway, so that's my number Can we say it's your number one too, Lord? Yeah, absolutely. I've really been enjoying it. It feels so good to walk out of there. and have your smoothie and then I don't know, I don't know why it's so fun. It's so hard though in the middle of it It's just It's so hard, man. But you know, I got one of those towels, so I put the towel on top of the mat now. helpps of the sweat Um what's your number two, Lauren. My number two is the movie called Black Bag Is this one of these corporate thrillers M No, but it's Kate Blanchet. Do you pronounce it Blanchet or Banchet? I pronounce it Banchet H U Black Bag. This is a spy movie directed by Steven Soderberg And it has Kate Blanchett and Michael Fastbender. They are both intelligence officers, married And that's all I'm going to say. I thought it was wonderful. The second thing I've been enjoying lately on my new makeup journey Hot yoga, makeup. Wh are you? is Jackie Stico here at Criminal recommended this product and then my niece said you have to have it. It's not fancy. is My clear water? llicellular one? No no, don't. I'm not sure This is makeup remover and it does a fantastic job. And I do those neutrogena wipes and things. This is the stuff It's not expensive. You you squirt it on a little piece of cotton and it takes out all of your makeup. So that is my number two. My technique for removing mascara is you just wait That's my technique too, but you know what happens when you wake up in the morning Yeah, it's fine. You just move forward. You just take the toilet paper and you looker with your eyes in and then Just rough scraping, just like the makeup. toilet paper, That's f J as I say, just use your hands. So that yes, that's my number two. What's your number three thor? My number three is a Chain mail cast iron pan scrubber. Do you own this? I do I've been making scrambled eggs every morning in a cast iron and it is not fun to clean unless you have one of these little chain mail scrubbers 's. It's a simple, beautiful device. And then if you feel like it's getting kind of dirty, you just put it in the dishwasher It's great If people knew how much stuff I put in the dishwasher, Listen I would love to give a tutorial on how to care for a cast iron pan That would be fun. I have cast my father Use the cast iron pan. that was his mother's. he used she used when they were growing up That's cool. you saw, it looks exactly the same Is it Is it like shiny Yes, perfect. It's beautiful. It's really cool. You never put soap. I have a friend who only who doesn't ever wet their cast iron. they only use very, very coar salt and a ton of scrubbing. Yeah, you have never water. You do know this idea that if it's B you should season it every once in a while too, you know, by putting. And when you say that you'd mean olive oil in the oven. Hot, yeah, very hot Um The number three thing that I've been enjoying lately is enjoy it. I thing I'm going to say I' enjoying it is the new season or the new I don't think's season of the show beef I can't wait to start it. It's very dark There are these tiny little gestures and words that are so Fny, so quietly weird and funny that I Yeah, I recommend it. I have watched two episodes, but I'm enjoying it I think Carrie Mulligan is just She's great in this. Yeah. She's great. Oh, you had us a review of Marty Supreme Yeah. I was flying back from Boston yesterday Uh and u Marty Supreme When I tried to watch it before it's twenty dollars to rent on Amazon or something. So I didn't I've never seen it. I didn't see it for the Oscars But it' free and Delta I didn't like it I couldn't I felt like I was on a moving train and I couldn't get off. and you know, it was witty of course and mo so quick. and maybe if you werere in it, but I just it was I needed something slower and quieter I walked out of uncut gems for a similar reason I just was like I needed to stop. Yeah. That's not j when I get off. I want to get off. Yeah, yeah Thats how I felt about Marty Spree And I'dt even finish it. I have forty three minutes left. plane landed I don't know if I'll go back I watched the movie of Tinker Tayor Soldier Spy with Colin Firth. a pretty slow start, but then I very much enjoyed it A Luren I have to go because I I amm gonna start tracking an episode of love right now Catch you next time. byye bye

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