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You're listening to the dateline story meeting. I mean, I have Josh backing me up, which is just great. Good morning L Our team is catching up on breaking crime news. It's really horrifying. It's all on video. When do you think it's going to wrap up? Well, I think we have to find out more Welcome to Dateline True Crime Weekly I'm Andrea Canning. It's june eleventh, and here's what's on our docket. A stunning arrest in Bardstown, Kentucky. The brother of the man convicted of murdering Kentucky mom of five, Crystal Rogers, is now facing criminal charges too Prosecutors alleged that Nick made false statements between july twenty fifteen and april twenty twenty three In Dateline Roundup, we've got updates from the Bahamas about the investigation into the mysterious disappearance of a Michigan woman And Brendan Banfield, the former IRS agent, convicted of murdering his wife so he could start life over with the family Auair, learns his fate. You did not just take her mother from her. You placed her in the middle of the horror you created Plus, Emily Simpson, the lawyer turned real Housewife who hosts the true crime podcast Lgally Bunette We'll be here to dissect one of the biggest true crime documentaries of the year. Two young people died, and you know she's dressing up as a corpse. It just shows just a lack of accountability, a lack of remorse But Be all that, we're heading to Massachusetts, where Karen Reid has filed a bombshell new lawsuit It's been nearly a year since Karen Reid was acquitted of murdering her police officer boyfriend, John O'Keee When the verdict was read, I was sitting inside the Norfolk Superior courthouse and could hear the thunderous applause and cheers from her supporters outside. Defendant not guilty or guilty. So say you, mister Fan. So say you all After standing trial twice, Karen finally won her freedom But she wasn't finished fighting She has filed suit against the Massachusetts State Police and the Canton Police Department The lawsuit says the two agencies should be, quote, forced to answer for the way their investigators handled her case Reid's new lawsuit exposes for the first time, dozens of texts and voicemails former Massachusetts state trooper Michael Proctor is alleged to have exchanged with former Canton police officer Sean Good. The voicemails are so offensive we can't play most of them for you. Karen Reid and her defense team argue the officers were unfit to serve and their supervisors knew it Here to tell us more is Dateline producer Sue Simpson. Hey, Sue. Hi, Andrea. Here we are back again, talking about Karen Reid. You were there with me when she stood on the courthouse steps after her acquittal. Sue, did you think that would be the last we'd hear from her? Not a chance, Andrea. Not after what Karen Reid has been through. She sees herself as a victim of corruption and bigotry Hence the lawsuit. Karen sat down for an exclusive interview on the Today Show last week, and right by her side was her attorney, Allan Jackson Let's take a listen. I was never going to be able to just forget This happened to me. that I was wronged in this way couldn' just go back to life as it was. but I always knew this this was going to happen if I could get legally to do this. The ultimate goal is to ensure that we bring to the light the institutional biases, the institutional corruption permeates the Massachusetts law enforcement That's what this lawsuit's going to do. ultimately. Before we dive into the lawsuit, sue for people who don't remember, refresh us on the case. So back to january twenty ninth, twenty twenty two, John O'Keeep's battered body was found on the lawn of a home in Canton. He was lying in the snow. He was unresponsive. Karen Reid said she dropped him off at a house party hours earlier And he didn't come home. She didn't know what had happened. Karen was arrested days later on february first, twenty twenty two and accused of killing John Give us a quick overview of the prosecution's case against her. Prosecutors argued that Karen drove John to the house party and then she ran him over with her SUV in a drunken rage. Two juries were not convinced by the prosecution's theory. We saw Sue one hung jury and one acquittal. Karen's defense team said the investigation had been shoddy from the start. They also said that John's injuries weren't consistent with being run over, that it looked like he'd been beaten up and been bitten by a dog. Right, Andrea, and that's important because the people inside the house where Karen had dropped John off, owned a German shhepherd at the time The defense questioned why the lead investigator hadn't talked to anyone in the house And it turns out that the house belonged to a Boston police officer named Brian Albert And the lead investigator, Michael Proctor, had personal ties to Albert. Michael Proctor, who is such a big part of this new lawsuit, he came into focus for us at Karen's first trial. Sue, you were in the courtroom the day he was on the witness stand and the prosecution asked him to read texts that he had sent to some high school friends within hours of John's body being found. And canan you read that response for the jury? There'll be some serious charges brought on the girl. So what was so surprising about that text and others was that it seemed like Pctor had made up his mind about the case very early in the investigation And then the text went on. He called Karen Reid a babe And he also used the C word about her. And there was even more. On cross examination, the defense got Pctor to read texts he'd sent to his work colleagues. And let's take a listen to some of that. She's a whack job, she's gross. No nudes so far. No nudes so far. Correct? Correct. And you said that to your bosses Yes, sir The day the jury announced it was deadlocked in Karen's first trial, Michael Proctor was suspended from his job and was eventually fired in part because of those messages Now Proctor is front and center again in this new civil lawsuit. So what are the main allegations The lawsuit boils down to something quite simple. Karen Reid says both the Mass State police and the Canton PD were negligent in how they hired, trained, and supervised their officers. She says what she calls Proctor's quote bias and corrupt investigation was the natural consequence of hiring and promoting bias and corrupt law enforcement officers She's not just talking about Michael Proctor. The lawsuit also names former Canton police officer Sean Good, who we mentioned off the top Remind us of who he is. Well, Sharon Good testified at Karen Reid's first trial According to the lawsuit, Sean Good had known Proctor for years. He was a police sergeant on the Canton PD. The lawsuit notes said they exchanged thousands of communications over the years Sue this batch of voicemails and texts between Proctor and Good that are part of this suit, have these messages been authenticated? Well, Proctor and Good haven't commented on these ones in particular, at least that we know of, and at least not publicly. So you've gone through all the messages, Sue They are so offensive and disturbing. We can't even share. Most of them Tell us what you can about what they're saying. The suit alleges both men used racial slurs. Here's one example, a voicemail the lawsuit said came from Pctor calling G to give him a heads up about a car accident. I take your time. I s I was involved, so that wouldn't rush if you're working Let them die. The lawsuit also quotes both men calling women the C word, sluts Here's another voicemail. This is allegedly Pctor talking about women You want a filthy pig They just do dirty things too And these are the things we can tell you about, my goodness. So the lawsuit alleges that the two men's supervisors should have known about their prejudices When Karen Reid is asking for damages from the Massachusetts State pololice and the Canton Police Department. How have they responded to the lawsuit The MSP put out a statement saying, quote, these racist, sexist, and abhorrent comments absolutely do not reflect the values of the MSP The stment went on to say those values arent tolerated and they underscore the decision made to terminate Michael Proctor Now the town of Canton told NBC, These messages are deeply offensive, hateful, and do not reflect the values of the Canton Police Department or its members So I spoke to Michael Proctor for our dateline episode on the case last year. Sue, he told us that he should not have been fired over the text messages. Those are the text messages we knew about back then and that he should be reinstated to the Massachusett State police and get his job back In twelve years I've never had a. single complaint I've never been the subject of any disciplinary actions All my employee evaluations are either outstanding or excellent. And I still love the job. I still want to be a trooper Has Michael Proctor said anything about the latest allegations? Proctor's attorney dismissed these new messages saying that anything Proctor did or said in his personal life years before officer O'Keee was killed had no bearing whatsoever on the investigation of Karen Reid. As for Sean Good, he was put on paid leave by the Canton Police Department back in October We don't know why, other than that he was being investigated by internal affairs Just before the lawsuit was announced, he resigned from the force. We don't know if that was because of the lawsuit. NBC News reached out to G, but he has not made any comments so far So Sue, amazingly, this is not the only legal battle right now that Karen Reid is embroiled in. Well, the party goers at Brian Albert's house tonight of John O'Keeffe's death filed a defamation suit against Karen Reid and the blogger, known as Turtle Boy Then there's Karen's own federal lawsuit against the party gooers and Michael Proctor himself, in which she claims they conspired to frame her for murder And finally, John O Keeep's family has filed a wrongful death lawsuit against Reed. A trial if there is one, is expected to happen in twenty twenty seven twenty twenty seven, that's a long way off. On the Today Show last week, Craig Melvin asked Karen about her life after all of this So let's say you win the civil suuit, then what comes next for you personally Personally, I'd like to keep talking about what I've experienced. I haven't really been free enough, especially with all these lawsuits to say that I've experienced. And I think it would be a waste for me to just disappear and go live on an island, although I would like to do that S, there are so many theories about what happened to John O'Keeffe the night he died. Do you think we're ever gonna know what really happened that night? There's so much floating out there. I think if we get answers, they may come from the wrongful death suit filed by the family. But you know, we're just gonna have to wait and see. Thank you so much for coming on Coming up, a new development in a case I've been covering for years, the murder of missing Kentucky mom, Crystal Rogers Is your money doing everything it can for you, like automatically pushing more of your money to savings every day? I don't think so. Then switch to Huntington Bank. And let's get more from money. Huntington Bank, Wlcome. Eligibility requirements apply. Some features may require enrollment. Mom, I'm heading up You're wearing shorts? It's freezing. And where's your coat? I'm good. Bye mom. 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Available online and select Costco locations, pick up the icy hot Lidocane three pack today at Costco On july third, twenty fifteen thirty five year old Crystal Rogers vanished after spending the holiday weekend with her boyfriend, Brooks H Crystal's parents, Sherry and Tommy Ballard spend every moment trying to find out what happened to her searching, putting up billboards around town, and organizing vigils. And then, a year after her disappearance, another tragedy hit. Someone shot and killed Tommy, Crystal's dad His murder remains unsolved But answers did come in Crystal's case Last year, ten years after she disappeared, and even though her body has never been found, Three men were convicted in connection with her murder. Her boyfriend, Brooks Huck, and father and son, Stehven and Joseph Lawson. But over the years, another name kept surfacing during the investigation Brooks's brother, Nick Hk, a former Bardstown police officer Nick had come under suspicion early but was never charged with a crime until now Crystal's mother Sherry told NBC affiliate, Wave, she's been waiting for this moment It was like friendly. Oh my gosh. Here to bring us the latest twist in this saga is dateline producer Rachel White, who has been relentlessly following this story from the beginning. Hey, Rachel. Hi, Andrea. As we said, so many big twists in this case, but Rachel first remind us of who Crystal was and what happened the day she disappeared back in twenty fifteen. Sure. so Crystal Rogers was a thirty five year old mother of five At the time of her disappearance, she and her boyfriend, Brooks Hck, had been together for several years and they shared a child together named Eli On july third, twenty fifteen, she and Brooks went to his family farm At the time, Brooks told investigators that they spent the day there and then went back to their home together He said that when he went to bed, Crystal was playing games on her phone like she usually did When he woke up the next day, Crystal was gone So Rachel investigators immediately begin to poke holes in Brooks's story. What's the prosecution's theory about Brooks's role in Crystal's disappearance? So prosecutors argued that Crystal never went back to her home that night, that she was killed on the Howk family farm jurors heard evidence of infidelity and growing problems between the two Prosecutors said that Brooks stood to face personal and financial consequences if Krystal did leave him, like paying child support or losing custody of their son, and that that's why he killed her And they argued that Brooks also enlisted others to help him carry out this plan. Okay, so let's talk about Brooks's brother, Nick. The whole reason that we are revisiting this story in this moment. How did Nick first become a part of this case? So Nick is Brooks Huch's brother At the time, Crystal disappeared, he was a local police officer with the Bardstown Police Department. And just a few days after Crystal went missing on july eighth, twenty fifteen, Brooks was being interviewed by investigators when Nick called him. Brooks takes the call. I'm up here. I know that you didn't know. I'm up here in this interview with Oh The detective, Detective Snow What happens next is captured on the tape of this police interview? I'm innocent. I ain't done nothing wrong. Well you know I know you told me innocent people have got jammed up, but if you're telling me to leave, I'll get up and leave. You can't hear Nick's side of the call. So we can't know for sure what Nick was telling Brooks to do, But we did interview the detective that was in the room during this call for our dateline episode, as you know, and he said it seemed like Nick was telling Brooks to get up and leave Nick later said that he was just trying to protect his brother, but obviously, investigators were curious if Nick knew anything. So they interviewed him a week later. Did your brother ever call you and say that he'd done something to Christinal No, we did not During his interview with investigators, Rachel, Nick told them that his brother would never harm Crystal. And he also denied having any involvement himself in Crystal's disappearance. So you never helped in moboting. I did not. Never helped to moveve any evidence. No Three months after Crystal's disappearance, Nick was fired from the Bardstown Police Department for interfering with the investigation And investigators really kept the heat on him, right? Yeah. so the sheriff's office asked him for a DNA sample during one of their searches a year after Crystal disappeared, and he cooperated His home was searched by the FBI years later, but perhaps the most surprising time I heard his name come up was during a pret trial hearing for his brother Brooks. This was right after Brooks had been arrested, so like eight years or so after Crystal's disappearance The special prosecutor told the judge in open court that an undercover officer had purchased a gun from Nick that was similar to a gun used in connection to another mysterious death in Bardstown. Okay, and this mysterious death is one of those big twists we were talking about at the top of the segment Yes, exactly. And perhaps the most tragic twist in this story, The gun was very similar to the one used to kill Crystal's dad, Tommy Ballard, who was shot dead while hunting in twenty sixteen, about sixteen months after Crystal disappeared. just a horrible situation, tragic for the family No one has ever been charged in Tommy's murder to this day. Last year, another big moment in all of this at Brooks's trial Nick and their mother Brooks and Nick's mother were identified by the prosecution as uninicted co conspirators in Crystal's murder. Rachel, explain to us what that means. So an unindicted co consonspirator is someone prosecutors believe participated in a criminal conspiracy, but they've not been charged with a crime Maybe the prosecution doesn't have enough evidence to bring the charges or just wants to focus on the defendant currently on trial but it's potentially controversial The person can't really defend themselves because they haven't been charged. So what did prosecutors tell the jury at Brooks's trial about Nick's alleged involvement of the events surrounding Crystal's murder? Jurors heard testimony from Nick's former girlfriend, Amber Bowman And she said that at the time, she and Nick were in the middle of packing up to move when he left telling her he was going to help Brooks with a rental property Bowman testified that she repeatedly tried to reach him, but many of her calls went unanswered or went straight to voicemail. Prosecutors pointed out that those calls were made during the same period when Crystal disappeared. The prosecution isn't saying exactly what they think Nick did to help his brother They're just saying They think he helped. Correct. So their point is that Brooks couldn't have done what he did by himself. And Nick went dark at the same time as the murder was happening, which they say is suspicious Brooks's defense said there was a perfectly innocent reason for Nick's phone being off He was fighting with his girlfriend Well, despite all the suspicion over the years, Nick was never charged in connection to Crystal's murder and he continued to live in Bardstown. Now, that brings us to this new indictment involving Nick Yeah, this is the big new development. So last week, Nick Hk was indicted on a felony charge of perjury convicted, he could face one to five years in prison And we should say as of this taping, prosecutors have not publicly said whether this perjury charge is directly tied to Crystal's case According to the indictment, prosecutors allegeed that Nick made false statements between july twenty fifteen and april twenty twenty three And those dates span much of the Crystal Rogers investigation Nick has not made any public comment about his arrest. He has been released on bond Rachel, what's next for him? His arraignment is scheduled for next week on june eighteenth. And that hearing may give us our first indication of exactly what statements prosecutors believe constitute perjury. Lots of movement, as always, in this case, Rachel But of course, the one thing the family truly wants is to know where Crystal is. 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DSW, let us surprise you Welcome back to the podcast. Joining us for this week's dateline roundup is senior producer Brad Davis. Hey, Brad. Hey Ed, great to see you. You too For our first story, we are heading to Virginia for the sentencing of former IRS agent, Brendan Banfield Back in February, he was convicted of orchestrating a deadly catfishing plot that left his wife and another man dead Brad, give us a refresher on this case Sure, On february twenty fourth, twenty twenty three, police responded to a gruesome scene at the Banfield home in Northern Virginia. Christine Banfield was a pediatric nurse and she had been fatally stabbed And she was lying on the floor of the bedroom. And not far from her was the body of another person, thirty nine year old Joseph Ryan Christine's husband Brendon Banfield told police that he'd walked in on Joseph stabbing Christine and he shot him to try and protect her. That story did not add up for the investigators That's right. They quickly suspected that Brendan had killed Christine and discovered evidence that he had been having an affair with the family's aupire and that the two of them had actually come up with an elaborate plan to get Christine out of the way They had used Christine's photo and her name on a fettish website try and lure Joseph to the Banfield house Investigators think that when Joseph showed up, he had thought he was going to have consensual sex with Christine and said Brendan and then Juliana shot him And Brendon stabbed Christine case of Conwalth versus Brendon Banfld, mrter Banflds present the courroom with his attorney. Last Friday, Brendon Banfield appeared for his sentencing hearing at the Fairfax County Circuit Court It began with victim impact statements. Who was there to represent the victims in this case First of all, it was Christine's sister, Daniel Hawker. I will forever carry Both grief of losing her too soon. And the gratitude of having loved her for thirty seven years and being loved by her in return That bond will not end because we will always be sisters The family of the other victim, Joseph Ryan, was also there. His mother addressed the court. Joe wasn't the disposable Hairicuture He was made out to be He had a face He had a name He had a wife But Brendan Banfield Shut his face. soiled his name and treated his life as disposable Brendon Banfield gave a statement to, what did he have to say for himself Yeah, Brendan Banfill gave an eleven minute speech. He was practically relitigating the case. I was found guilty of a crime that I did not commit it's actually impossible to have committed the crime as the prosecution, their experts and their witnesses have presented What was his demeanor like while he was talking to the court It was pretty cold and a flat.. He kept looking down at his papers, reading his speech plainly. He stuttered at some points. Did Brendon address the loss of his wife, Christine at all He really didn't talk about Christine until the very end of his speech She truly was a caring a caring mother cararing wife Loving nurse. But I am not resp I am not responsible for her death Following Brendan Banfield's speech, the judge did not hold back, right, Brad? Yeah, she really didn't. She pointed out the horror and evil of his crimes, saying it's rare for her to see someone with no remorse for what they've done And she acknowledged the unspoken victim, Christine's daughter. He did not just take her mother from her You placed her in the middle of the horror you created She is young now, but one day she will understand your true self. And she will understand what you took from her, which is everything I carry no burden and find no hesitation in sentencing you to life All right, let's go to San Diego, Brroud for our next story, where it is week four in the Larry Miliete trial You'll remember that he's the man accused of murdering his wife Maya after paying over a thousand dollars to people to cast magic spells on her. Larry has pleaded not guilty. Brad, what is the latest from the courtroom? Yeah, so the prosecution is still presenting its case and they're using some of Larry's own texts to try and paint a picture of his relationship with Maya in the time before her disappearance. Brad, Larry's sister Genesis has become an important witness in this trial. Yes, she has. The prosecution introduced hundreds of her texts with Lery into evidence and they're pretty intense. According to Genesis, Lery admitted that he had put a tracking device in Maya's car And he told her about the spell casting. He sent a picture of a makeshift altar he had set up with candles positioned around a picture of Larry and Maya. And jurors heard some revealing passages from Maya's journal this week in court Yes, prosecutors showed entries from years before Maya disappeared addressed to her daughters Wh she talked about her fights with Larry, she wrote that she was afraid of him and that he was capable of hurting her. We should say Brad, according to court records, Larry was never charged in connection to any domestic violence incidents For our final story, we are headed back to the Bahamas for an update in the case of Lynette Hooker, who went missing there in early April Her husband, Brian told police that the two were on a dinghy going from hopeedown to ellbow key when Lynnette fell overboard with the keys to the dinghy. That's right. after your repor are missing, the Royal Bahamas pololice set off searching for Lynette but didn't find her Lynette's daughter Carlly told me that she did not buy Brian's story from the get go. and she mentioned problems in the marriage They have history of not getting along, especially when they drink Brian was taken into custody and questioned He was released five days later Yes, as you know, he said all along that he had nothing to do with her disappearance. and He vowed to keep looking for her. So we know the couple's boat called Soulmate was seized in Florida in May. Brad, what is new A US. official told NBC News last week that after examining the boat's GPS, it looks like Brian might have given them the wrong location for where Lynette went missing So US divers arrived in the Bahamas last week and started looking for her in a different spot, the Aaco Sea According to photos obtained by NBC Ns, cadaver dogs were also taken out of the boat yard where Brian was on the day he reported Linette missing On Monday, authorities announced that no body was found. The US Coast Guard said in a statement that their recent search has concluded and that the investigation is ongoing They encourage anyone with information to come forward Okay, thank you so much for these updates, Brad. You're welcome For our final segment this week, we wanted to talk about a case that has sparked intense debate across social media, the case of Mackenzie Shherilla In twenty twenty three, the Ohio teenager was convicted by a judge of murdering her boyfriend, Dominiic Russeso and a friend, nineteen year old Daveyon Flanagan Both were passengers in Mackenzie's car when prosecutors say she drove nearly one hundred miles per hour into a brick wall, killing them both. A recent Netflix documentary on the case called The Crash has been a breakout hit since its debut in May, with over fifty eight million views worldwide so far It features Mackenzie's first ever interview. I've never spoke before and I never toold my side of the story, but I just want to Say my truth and I just know myself and I know I'm not st But not all of the renewed attention on the case has been welcomed. Some of the victims's family members are speaking out a psychopath A stone cold psychopath. She has no remorse. She's continuing to lie. You know, I wish she was just if I didn't hear her name anymore I asked Emily Simpson, my friend and fellow trrue crime podcast host to come on the show to talk about the case and the documentaries Fallout. Emily, who is a lawyer, is no stranger to being in the spotlight in addition to hosting her podcast, Lgally Brunette. She's also a cast member on the Real Housewives of Orange County. Hey, Emily, welcome back to the podcast. Hi, Andrea, thanks for having me. I'm excited to be here Yes, well, you are the one who actually turned me on to this documentary. Thank you. Of course. And then I saw that our NBC studios team was also covering it for their video podcast allegedly on Netflix. So Emily, what was your takeaway from MackKenzie's interview in the Dc I do like the fact that they showed that she had her attorney present because you didn't know that in the beginning of her interview. She's just sitting there answering questions, constantly talking about. she wanted to make sure she hammered in the intent that there was no intent They showed a little bit of her conversation with her attorney saying basically, did I nail it? You know, I did I make all the points that there was no intent? Part of, I think why people are so interested in this is because of the division, right? Like which side are you on? Prosecutors said that Mackenzie intentionally drove her car into the wall, but in her Netflix interview, she blamed what happened on a medical condition called pots a nervous system disorder. So McKenzie says she blacked out before the crash. But when we talk about the medical condition, I feel like it doesn't take a medical expert or a doctor to think if she did have some type of medical episode where she did pass out or blacked out, Wouldn't your hands, your body, it would have gone relaxed. The fact that the car was one hundred miles per hour, her foot never came off the gas. To me, it means that she had to grip tightly to keep that car going one hundred miles an hour straight into a wall And Emily, from behind bars, Mackenzie appears well aware of the attention that her story is receiving In a recently released undated jail call, and we don't know if this conversation was before or after the Dc came out Mackenzie spoke with an unidentified friend about the growing interest in her case and even expressed hope that one very famous advocate might take notice. Let's take a listen to that call My mother was like, well, maybe Kim Kardashiane. And I was like, Oh Yeah, maybe Kim will now that it's like all I was like, I mean, that's the only thing that might be good about the whole media thing. Maybe Kim will see it Y I ag I don't know, you have to figure out because I'm real nervous and I want Kim Kardashian to be my lawyer. So this is now her saying she wants Kim Kardashian to be her lawyer. Why not Emily Simpson? Well, first of all, can we just say that Kim is not an attorney? Can you just make that clear? didid she finally pass the baby bar? She did pass the baby bar, but she did not pass the big old bar bar Maybe choose someone else with more experience. So in the Netflix documentary, Emily, we learned that before the crash, Mackenzie was very active on social media. She aspired or appeared to aspire to become a model or an influencer. And some of her posts were even introduced as evidence during her trial. Emily, you as a lawyer and someone, you have your own huge social media presence. Do you think MackKenzie's online persona might have worked against her In court, I would absolutely worked against her. I don't know if you saw. The prosecution was smart to bring up all her social media posts in front of the judge and you know two young people died. And you know, she's dressing up as a corpse just a couple months after the crash and the Halling about it, the Halloween costumes. It just shows just a lack of accountability, a lack of remorse. As for the victims in this case, Davian and Dominic, their families were also featured in the documentary. Dominiic's sister, Christine Russeso says the aftermath has not been easy. She talked to NBC affiliate WKYC about some of the unwelcome attention it's brought from people online. There's certain things on the internet that

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