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You're listening to a compleomplexly podcast Hello and welcome to dear Hank and John. Whereas I prefer to think of it, dear John and Hank? It's a podcast where two brothers answer your questions, give you Dubbice advice and bring you all the weeks news from both Mars and AFC Wimbledon. John, my friend's a lumberjack and he told me that he has cut two thousand four hundred seventeen trees, and he knows because every time he cuts a tree, he keeps a log Oh That's good Did you get that jacket from from the lumber jack? Oh no, I got this from the fancy othing store, but I'm glad that you think that it looks like I might have gotten it from Elumber Jack It looks like he might have gotten it from a lumber jack, but it's a good looking jacket Oh thanks. You got a good look at Jacket yourself. go AFC Wibbledon. We're staying up U to the cup cup cup cup up up and Dr. Sus and etcera Yes, we're staying up. That's the important thing. I don't care how you celebrate it as long as you celebrate it. How are you, Hank? Time on top of the world Oh, really? I've had the song, It's Rining Tacos in my head for three days. So that's how I'm Tac out of the sky Tacos Yeah, that was a Constant companion when my children were the age of your child It just w I wake up in the morning And it's like lettuce and shells, cheese and meat. that's It's R taco That's what my brain does. And yeah I do I do wonder what The having of a song in your head is about Yeah, I looks like it's about something I don't I think it's like dreams being the waste products of the mind. I don't think it's about much of anything. but If you want to give it meaning, I think that's fine Well, but even if it's a waste product, that's That's about something. I don't mean that it's about like, Like why is it why is it happening? How can I have like a bunch of thoughts and be doing a bunch of things in that whole time Yeah myrain's like it's rain and tuck just like right in the in the back there It's just the whole separate part of it is dedicated to the Taco' song The whole separate part of my brain that's dedicated to something else right now is dedicated to my book, Hollywood ending that comes out on september twenty second. september twenty second And I just wanted to ask you if you've read it yet twenty percent of the way through percent of the way through. you're still in part one It's good it's are occurring Part one is most of what I'm working on, so some of it will change, but not too much of it hopefully. But if you have any notes for partart one, let me know. If you have notes for the rest of it, don't let me know. Okay. you got it. You know, there's a lot that I didn't know about Andy Warhol that I'm learning So there's that Are you learning more about Andy Warhol or about Hollywood? More about Warhol, huh I mean, I know more I know about Hollywood more than the average person, but like right. I think I'm learning about how the way in which the people front of the camera are objects to be moved around. Yeah. L really they are the they are both the stars and Like in a weird way, completely powerless totally powerless. Aors are cattle as Alfred Hitchcock famously put it So that is that is actually I mean, I've I've experienced that directly having been having been cattle been and like they want you to feel like you're not. They want you to feel Like you're very butly mostly they just need you to have your face and stay in the right direction and say the right thing and then do it seventeen times Right And then you as an artist, as an actor, you have to find ways to turn that into art to create the veryimilitude that's so important to the actual M product. Yeah. And that seems to me like the hardest part like on the fifth camera angle Yeah the fifth time you do it at the fifth camera angle. Yeah Right. The thirty seventh time you do it to bring your full self to it seems really challenging. It is a weird job and it is not the glamour seems to have nothing to do with the actual process of the art Right. Oh no, that's very true The glamor is more about the fact that it tends to attract Pople who are stereotypically beautiful tend to get work. and also I think that there's some glamor in the popularity of the art, right? Like it's it's an art form that still has wide reach, which most arrt forms don't. I often say that if you sell one hundred thousand books, you've had a tremendously successful book and if you sell one hundred thousand movie tickets, your movie is a complete failure. Yeah You know, it's just a whole different scale at which like the art takes place, a whole different kind of audience. So Right. And it has both the scale. It has both the reach and the cache. Like I don't know how else to talk about it, but like Like it is just Right, like like YouTube does't have the cache. Yeah, you I could get I could get more more views on a two hour long YouTube video than a two hour long movie would get. And like nobody would think that those were similar achievements Right Yes Nobody complimented me on my hour long crash course deep dive into tuberculosis and said this really deserves an Oscar. No, no,body Nobbody came forward thinking that it was going to be I don't know, did it win anything But what do you mean win anything? didn't get aed for anything. No, it didn't get a Webby. Ah, come on, you could have got for that I'm not I'm not interested. I have to confess, Anank and this is I am interested in prizes truly, like I don't want to be, but I am, but I amm not interested in Webbies. I think I already have one Oh yeah, yeah, I think we both do. I think we have a we might have like a lifetime achievement awward Webby. Well, what's the point of a second Webby? I don't want a second Oscar either. Do you have an Oscar? No I want a first one I bet you'd won a second one if you had a first one. Maybe, I don't know. do you think I don't think people who w been MacArthur Genius grants think, man, I wish I had a second Macrthur Genius gr. I think I just walk around all day saying I'm a MacArthur genius Mr. MacArthur says I'm a genius. I As you know, John, I am much, much more compelled by the market based prizes ofes number one New York times best seller, number one app in the apppp store twenty years of continuous relevance on in the salience factory, All of those things are where I derive my feelings of I actually did a good job. Yeah. It's a totally normal thing to want and an easy thing to achieve being relevant in the salience factory Put it on his tombstone, everybody. Hank Green. He's spent twenty years feeding content to the Salience factory and he stayed relevant the whole time. It's almost like an insult to st relevant the whole time Did you do it with a normal healthy brain? Bea that doesn't seem possible. That seems unlikely I'll say I'll say All right, let's some questions from our listeners beginning with this one from Ella. It's kind of on topic, Hank. Dear John and Hank, whyy is it so hard to do things? I look at people like you guys doing so many wonderful things for the world and I am amazed I like to think I have some brains in my head and feet in my shoes, but when I start to think about actually making things happen in the world, I get totally stuck and I feel like I don't have the skills necessary to actually make anything happen To complicate the matter, I graduated college last spring and have been suffering from no longer having consistent validation of my intelligence syndrome When did you guys feel confident enough to start building businesses and making your work public? How can I unearth a little bit of the confidence in my own life? Ella It's a great question, Hank. I mean, first off, LllA you are still really, really young and new in your career. So like You know, when I was your age, I looked in my doctor's chart and the first thing I saw was patient is a low functioning young adult They really shouldn't putut that within reach. Well, she shouldn't have left the room but on the other hand, I shouldn't have opened the chart Okay. you didn't just glance. It was No, I didn't glance. I opened Wow Well, I was a low functioning young adult, h. That's the kind of thing. But a low functioning young adult would do And and and, you know, and that's fine. That's what young adulthood is for. It's for functioning low Yeah. I have had this conversation several times where people are like, got you got to understand John Green up puted his first YouTube video when he was thirty. Like this was not Right. We didn't start out like this. Yeah. Though you had published a novel by that point and it is too popular with librarians Yes, it had been limitedly popular, but But even then, you know, like, I spent five years writing that book from the time I graduated from college and stopped working as a chaplain to the time it came out was like six years and I was writing the books the whole time. But also like the kind of cultural relevance that we have is not something that all should aspire to because it is not like is very, very much so a game that is only like the status is in it being limited availability. And it's not just that it's a rare thing, it's also that it's not entirely a desirable thing which I don't think enough people talk about. like most most people are not well equipped to this job includluding me, you are pretty well equipped to it, but I think most people aren't But I think Ella's real question is How do I go from feeling like I'm doing nothing to feeling like I'm doing something And That's hard. especially like in an amazing way. Like you and I started on YouTube with a little bit of an audience Y thatat was so valuable because of your books And And so we were creating for each other. So we were holding each other accountable. But we were also creating for this small audience, and we were able to make some things with the small audience, and we felt an obligation to that small audience. It's very hard to to feel like you should create when you are creating for No one or nothing. So building a community of creation, a community of agency is great where you can sort of like compare notes or not necessarily building it, but just being part of it. know, whether that's a writer's group or finding it, building it, maintaining it, however it works. But whether that's a writer's group or a painting class You know, Sarah started out as a ceramicist by taking one pottery class, M grade people met great teachers and now makes, you know actually useful things in the world, not YouTube videos, but mugs I mean, intelligence is So interestnteresting and weird and great. you know, you talked about like having that validated in school U, you know, the thing that you're talking about now really isn't about intelligence. It's about like agency. It's about like being like having the ability to do things in the world being allowed by the world to do things And also like doing things despite your brain being like, maybe you shouldn't do these things. And also like it's overcoming all of those barriers, some of which are like There's no guarantee that you can overcome all of them that's the frame to think of it inside of. likeike how do I become a person who affects the world in some way And you know, work is the way that most people do that and you affect you affect your company, you affect work the work that they do. But it's not the only way. It's not the only way I mean, I, you know, I think there are people who Make big change in the world Yu volunteering, there are people who make big, you know, in fact, if I look at the work that I've done, I think the most a lot of the most impactful work that I've done have been has been outside the realm of so called work. Yeah. I'm so grateful for people who are like friend centers who like when I say that I like they ask me to hang out and I say no, I can't today. And then they ask me again. I say, I also can't that day. They still ask. They keep asking the third and the fourth of the fifth time and eventually I'm like, yeah, it is it's really not that I don't want to hang out. It is that like life is complicated And so we had like there are people in my life who are this way and I'm so grateful for them And I am not this way. And I like that's one way in which I like wish I had more agency in the world where I could be that for people And I think all the time about how I would organize that. And then I simply do not do it. But there's all kinds of things like that where you act in the world and you become you become in the world in a different way. and feeling like you can't act in the world, like you can't affect things is very frustrating Yeah, turns you into a low functioning young adult. Let's answer this next question from Nick, your writes, dear John Hank. What's next for Nerdyitaria? It's been incredible to see the Maternal Center of Excellence come to life powered by my silly socks. and now that is finished and fully operational I find myself wondering what the next big thing could be. Do we need to provide ongoing support to keep the Maternal Center of Excellence up and running? Yes. Could we build something else in the Kono district to support the healthcare system in Sierra Leone? Is there some other big project somewhere else in the world we can support? Pumpkins and Psibilities, Nick. So first of all, the work is never done. I'll tell you that.. Oh yeah there's, you know, the the gap between where we are in the just world is wide enough We will not finish I'll be busy, for the rest of my life. I think my kids will be busy. Maybe their kids will be all right You think? They will just have a just world I hope we have a more just world. We already have a more just world Well notot than last year, but yeah, then thirty years seventies. Yeah Yeah, yeah, for sure Um So the yeah, I think that I think but I don't think that there will be a final just world Well, that makes one of us. I do U The kingdom of God is coming for Eth, hk It's just taking a while Anyway We don't to talk about the jage. A am I going to have to wear sunscre Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeahah, the sun isn't going to go away. And we've already established that would be really bad actually But so like I could see two things. the kingdom of God comes to Earth, I need to wear more sunscreen because it's bright out. Or two, the kingdom of God comes to Earth and it's like, you don't have to wear sunscre anymore We fix that. I think that there will always be I see what you mean. like there will be no more place for suffering in the world. I don't think that the issue for me And we're getting away from Nick's question, But the issue for me is not the existence of suffering, but the unjust distribution of suffering I have issues with both. and that suffering isn't randomly unjustly distributed is unjustly distributed according to Um structures that were built by humans. Yeah. That's I mean I don't like that it's randomly distributed either. I don't like that either, but I can't do anything about that Whereas I can do something, like we can do something about the human built systems that are causing unjust distribution of suffering. That's my idea of the kingdom of heaven coming to earth is like, You can't do anything about randomness, you can't do anything about bad luck, but you sure can do something about the fact that your zip code or the country in which you're born can determine so much of your educational opportunities and the effectiveness of your healthre interventions Anyway, Nick, this is one of the difficult things about Building a hospital is that The building of the hospital was very dramatic. interestnteresting Yeah. and it's easy to get donors. There's definitely more dramatic, interesting things in the world, but That's true Have you heard about our incinerator and our laundry system? Yeah, it's true. It's not the sexiest thing that you can build Be. s not it's not the most salient thing you could build, as Hank Green would say. but It's relatively salient, the idea that there wasn't a thing and now there will be a thing. Maintenance, the maintaining of systems And the slow incremental building of systems through maintenance and support is much, much less salient. Oh man, sure is. But also much, much more important. It's the thing. It's the whole thing. It's the whole thing. I have so many thoughts about this. I've been thin about this like a time lately. likeike all of the how do you have How do you do the necessary boring technocratic work while' also keeping people's attention. And that's like a little bit our jobs So sometimes I think like you know, we have to do like funun, grabby little things also and not just because to keep people's attention, but because like, Everyone deserves joy Um and fun One of the things I've been thinking about is like how do we do science together M. This is a this is like as a community As a community. I would be interested in this. I feel like there's opportunities there. I started this project and I really need to get back and and like keep it moving. where I'm trying to figure out how many names The average person knows Hm And u and how would you how would you figure that out Yeah because I have this I have this theory that about ten percent or more of the words we know aren't names for people because a word a name is just a word for a thing. Yeah know But I know like Alex Rodrieuez and I knew Dolly Partin Yeah, you know so many You know a lot of words, but you know so many names. Right. And so I want to know like is it like one percent? Is it like fifty percent? Like how many of the words I know are for people That's a very interesting thought to me and not something than anybody's ever done research on People who haveve done research on similar things, but not quite this And and I'm like, I feel like Nerdfidi could help with that. Yeah, no, I agree with you that having projects like that is very valuable. for the I mean, it's valuable because it's interesting, but it's also valuable for the connectivity in the community, right? The sense of connectivity And I think the Maternal Center of Excellence has been very valuable for that. The question for me is how do I keep the Maternal Center of Ecellence very valuable for that such that people are as interested in maintaining the place as they were in building it Yeah. So if you're a maintenance enthusiast like myself Go to ph dot org slash Hank and John right now and donate to partners in health or get your awesome socks. because I do think that you know, the big project to me is how many deaths can we avert over the next generation with this incredible new gift to the Kono district. And the answer to that is determined primarily by whether or not the hospital is adequately supplied, staffed, has adequate space and systems I mean, so much of everything. Even being alive is about maintenance. Like just like, I've got a body and I need to take care of it. And like it takes up a fair amount of my life You know Thinking about both how to take care of the physical part and the non physical part. Part of being a high functioning older adult It reminds me of the great Kurt Vonnegat line, and another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build. And nobody wants to do maintenance. He startuck it right in my belly with that one Yeah I mean, leave it leave it Kurt, I don't need to hear it. You really nailed Hank Greene there This next question com from Emma who asks Deer Hank and John and the day I woke up Hours before my alarm and I got up instinctively to shake my leg, which had gone numb during my sleep. And when I say got up, I mean stumbled out of bed and nearly fell because of my absent leg. The question is, in the context of sleep, do our brains know when our limbs have gone MIA? and do they wake us in order to preserve our limbs? What happens if you don't wake up and your limbs continue to go numb due to a traitorous hair tie or unfortunate sleeping position? Lgumes and Armadoass Emma. What's the deal, Hank? It turns out that you can create a problem for yourself And as Dubuky and I fell down this rabbit hole together, we found out about a thing called Saturday night Palsy which is a real condition. that we do not and there is argument over where the name came from Hm, which is be that it is it happens after a Saturday night when you've been out drinking and it was named after Saturday night fever And it is Saturday night palsy where you wake up on Sunday morning or on Saturday morning after partying. and you have, you know, you've been, you went so hard, whether it was drinking, or whether you just like stayed up reallyate that your body was not awake enough to move you when this happened and you could put so much pressure on your arm for so long that you can have like weeks or months of weakness in that arm. Wow Wow, that's not great. Now I've got a new disease to worry about. But there is also the idea that this was actually from the phrase saturnine palsy Oh And that's actually a different thing that is to do with lead poisoning. And apparently lead and Saturn are connected Saturn is the go of the metal lead, which If you look into the alchemy stuff, which I I stopped after a while, but but I did I did read some Wikipedia about this Um and that that just got egg corned into Saturday night palsy as a separate problem. And then but there have also been situations Like I think like one of the members of Megadath fell asleep with his arm like draped over a chair And he like forever Now. has his hand doesn't work properly Really? Great makes me think that he it wasn't just like a normal sleep. It was a sleep that had some contributing factors to it. I mean, I don't usually fall asleep with my hand over a chair, but on the other hand literally and figuratively I feel really bad for that guy from meegadath. I imagine that his hands are ret important to him Yeah, I actually don't know which guy I was if it was a guitarist and They probably mostly are or drummers Al alsoso yeah, that's the other the other kind Yeah. I mean, is there any other is there any other member of Megadath? I don't think they have a typanist Dav a Foutist pllays the Glockenspiel. I mean, all of this is going to require a lot of fingers and stuff. That's true. There's very little in the way of I mean, I guess Death Leopard has has a one armed drummer and he's he's done pretty well. He made it work.. He made it work. but it does it does feel like saxophone, I'm trying to think of things that you play primarily with your mouth, but even those you also play partly with your hands. Yeah, maybe he does the little harp bow downing, down, downing, down, down, back down, downing, down, bowow mean, is that Just S scat singing? is that what you just that little mouth hart. Oh Maybe Um Sorry, that was so distractingly bad. I lost track of what you were talking about Which reminds me that today's podcast is brought you by Hanks Moutharp. Hanks Mouth Har Yes. Bind d, they couldine This podcast is also brought to you by David Mustaine, who is the front man of Megadeath and is the guy that we've been talking about this whole time. And indeed, he does play guitar Does he or is he just a singer? He's the front manan isn't he? just He he also plays guitar. I don't know if he plays guitar as much anymore Okay A right. Today's podcast is also brought to by Maternal Center Ecellence, the Maternal Center of Exllence in C Kono District in Sier Leone. stillill in need of your support. And this podcast is brought to you by low functioning young adults. Low functioning young adults. What would we do without them We're here retired G get used to us I got a question from Katie Hank who writ, Dear John Hank, I was alessly scrolling through Facebook Messenger just now when I came across a post for a mirror that was described as, quote never used. And it got me thinking, Is it possible for a mirror to have never been used given that it is always reflecting and surely the person selling it looked at themselves in it at least once This feels like false advertisement. It's all smo and mirrors, Katie When is a mirror for like you can't like Is there a do they make the mirror factory so that they're like always face down so that the boys of the mirror factory do not look at the mirror so that it is not does not arrive at bath and bodyworks having been used. But then they put it up on the wall and it immediately is used. no, no, no. okay. so here's how you never use a mirror. You build it upside down Go upside down You've got to build it upside down. so the only thing that's reflected even then it's being used, it's just like a tree falls in the woods and nobody's there to hear it kind of used. Its being used by whatever it's laying on. Yeah, ye like it's still reflecting the floor, but it' this is how you keep it from from being used by a person. Is it being used if it's not being used by a person? Not really Well, that's that's the tree falls in the forest question, right? Like it is being I mean, if a bird comes up to the mirror and is like, Hey, look at me, and it's being used. You're like Gab, I got to throw this one away It' been sullied by a cardinal. never been used. So I think that you build it upside down, you put it in a box And then you don't unbox it until you maybe it's never been unboxed. Maybe that's what they mean. in which case, it's never been used because it's never been seen by a human. You never know. You can't know. You can't know what happened. That's true. can't know that it's never been used. So I need a mirror that's a mirror and it's acting as a mirror, but then I get the mirror and it turns out that there was a mirror film on top of the mirror And I get to very satisfyingly peel that mirror film off. and then I know that I'm the first person who used the mirror Right. And that is of course essential to. The experience of a mirror is to know that you're the first person being seen in it, that nobody else Nobody else's body has been exposed into this mirror Mirars are so weird I know you are always talking about, it's because you don't understand optics, sank. Like you're not just that. No, you have a blind spot. You have a place you, like some mirrors, have a place where you just can't reflect the truth. I guess that just means that it's never been like hung up? Maybe, maybe it means it's still in the box, but I think the critical thing is that it's been used Yeah. Like you use a A mirror is used the moment an organism with eyes sees into the mirror. Right. How complex does the eye have to be for the mirror to be being used? Is it just like a you know, a sort of light detection spot. I guess probably If a light bounces off of there and the light bounces back at you and you're like, whoa, that might's like Ohh, I got to move away from that or toward that used. And I think that there's microbes probably on the not used mirror, in which case it's used from the moment it's made. I don't know how mirrors get made. They're probably pretty hot at first, but You know what would suck is being a little bacterium on a mirror. How I'm like being a bacteria would be confusing already, but then you've got the double confusion of being like, well, what's that? Oh, it's me You think you dont under an optics sank, imagine being a bacteria. I feel like mirrors are a place where bacteria do not last long. You know, they're very like, oh, there's a smudge, Gta get rid of that That's true That's true, whichich is a windex headed headed toward them. Yeah, can't be that true. Well Oh guy Katie, I think you need to follow up with the seller and be like, I'm gonna to question I filed a complaint with the FCC Ive clearly used this mirror I can't help but notice that you took a picture of the mirror that has your camera in it There go. The mirror is used I don't know why it's the FCC. I guess because Facebook's involved. Yeah Um I guess so, but at any rate, it seems like they're super responsive to custer consumer queries at the moment. Let's move on to another question from Mariah, who asked youar John and Hank. preordered Hollwood ending from Fountain bookstore here in Richmond, Virginia after John's visit, and it made me wonder, do you guys purchase each other's books in stores I know youd probably give free copies to give out to advance to friends and family and stuff, but if my brother had a book in stores, I probably couldn't resist buying copy anyway. Pumpkins and preordders is Mariah. Mariah, you're better brother than I. I don't think I've ever bought a John Green book. Are you serious? Oh I love They're around. Well, that's true, but I like buying I like buying a hank green book in the store. I like the feeling of being I'm always like is the books seller going to ask me Are they going to ask me Are they going be like, Ohh, I hear this book is great and And I'll be like, it is great. It's by my brother. That's worth twenty five bucks right there If that happens and I'm glad that it apparently did And you do get a very limited number of of finished copies, you only get twenty usually So you negotiate the number of finished copies you get in your book deal and then they send you your twenty books or whatever. And so You know, Hank's in my top twenty, but I don't know that he's in my top five. Oh, but I get the book before it comes. I don't get like the final book No, usually, but you don't get an advanceced. I haven't made advced readers copies for my book since twenty eleven Oh wow two thousand eight. Oh, I just get a PDF You just get a PDF. walking around PDF and it. They haven't made Why haven't they done I got Aires. I know. It's because my books were considered too Oh The threat of piracy was too Yeah Jew. Fancy pantans, McGe over there. Don't have a MacArthur genius, grant, that's for sure. I really hope you win a Macrthur Gius grraant at some point, so I think playain concause about not having one I I feel like here's what I think. I feel like giving me a MacArthur genius grant would be a waste. I don't need that What? What do you mean you don't need it Like what is it? It's a grant. I don't need money. What it What is? Well, no, you would give the money to partners in health. is that they let you do whatever you want with it How much is it I don't know, like six hundred thousand dollars or something. It's a lot of m. And why don't we just start our own? Be like,aha Vlog Brothers genenius Grant. And then the first it's eight hundred thousand dollars. It is. The first the first winners would be Hank and John Green Yeah Yeah. It's like there's this famous do you ever read that book of The Island of the Blue Dolphins No, I did not. Lin's book about a person surviving alone on an island of Bue dolphins. Anyway, the writer of that award endowed an award for historical fiction in children's literature called the Scott Odell Award And my favorite fact about the Scott OdDell awward is that Scott ODell has won it, I think, three times What? You can get more than once Not only that, you can get your own award That's what we should do with the vlog for the genenius Gants. We should start it. We should do a big press release. We should make a big announcement. Yeah. And then we should I love this idea. And then we should announce that the first two winners are Hank and John Green and never do it again It costs us nothing. Punked. Well, we just could be like, listen, we keep looking for geniuses. We can't find any. Yeah, noobody's as good as me They've all got weird opinions that aren't exactly like mine. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. They're all problematic in some way. E not like me. N like me. Not like me. I' try toend it. I agree with myself on everything Oh man, I do really hope you win one. That would be so funny to me. They just like, you don't have to apply. They just like pop you with a money. See now you want one Wh's this MacArthur guy I some rich guy from the from the early days What did he do something bad I bet So I mean, it's never clean. The other day I was like, it's never clean. And Sarah was like, I don't know, your money's pretty clean. And I was like, no way, man, I cut down so many trees printing the fault in our stars Oh my God I did. I'm going to get up to the gates of heaven and they're going Stt Peter's immediately going to say I have two comments. And I'll say, I'll preempt you. The trees from the Fault are stars and the Lacroix And the You're pretty clean, John. You just don't have MacArthur money because MacArthur made way more than you through the mail order insurance business and massive strategic investments in Florida real estate Yeah Yeah. I don't know. Hopefully his Mail order insurance business was was like a good one. I can't imagine it was Well, not if you made that much money. Yeah, But maybe we shouldn't be criticizing MacArthur Hanks since you're up for a MacArthur Genius grant. I definitely am not. They look they look for people who are like Cool Yeah, yeah, yeah, like my friend like my friend and co host of the awayan Danielle Al Rkon Daniel is going to Huh? He got one or you think he's up for one? He got one. He got one Yeah All right, u, And andly deserve. He's a brilliant maybe like three years ago he's a brilliant writer and he created radio ambulante, which is like this the most amazing radio show. Is this like what it's about? Like are people making this like u this high class cool, sparkly uh, not going to make any money U content for elites because they're like, maybe I'm gonna to get that eight hundred thousand. No, no, no, no, no. Okay. No. I don't think anybody thinks about that to be honest with you. I think people make stuff for that's sparkly and fancy because they like sparkly and fancy stuff themselves. It's the same reason we never wanted to be on television, right? Like all of our early YouTube friends wanted to be on TV and wanted to have TV shows, even though they were going to make less money making TV because like that was their dream when they were young. Yeah, it's where the st just like with there's cache, just like with the movies versus a YouTube video. But there was no cache for us. Like we weren't interested in it because it wasn't ool to us. Yeah, but then scientific American sends me an email and I like have a very strong emotional reaction. Yes. So it's about what's cool to you What was cool to you when you were a kid. And like when I was a kid You know, I wasn't reading lots of popular books, I was reading you know books that I considered to be quite fancy. You know Daniel and I were reading Tony Morrison and Zoril Hurston and we were reading Shakespeare and you know, we wanted, we wanted to be part of the canon Like that was the cool thing back then And so when the canon comes calling, it still feels really good. Yeah Yeah, even if the canon is no longer relevant And it isn't to be honest. I mean Like I don't even agree with the idea of a canon anymore, you know, like like I think I think art is so much bigger and broader and more interesting than than than that than merely like establishing a set of like cortexts that define a culture. Like that's obviously you know, hugely problematic in lots of different ways And even so when the authorities from that world come calling, I am always delighted I have this this ambivalence about this because like one, I don't think that there should be a canon and there shouldn't be like this defines everything and at the same time, like I kind of missed the days when everybody read the same stuff we had these touchstones that we could share. It's almost like it's not about which things you pick, it's about that you pick. But at the same time, you have to pretend that there's a reason why you pick pretending that there's no difference in quality between, and I say this with a lot of affection for my novels, like No difference in quality between a John Greene novel and a Tony Morrison novel does a great disservice to the overall quality of discourse in the world Yeah, right. You got to pick some you got to pick good stuff. You got to pick something really good. But there's like some tradition There's lots of really good, I mean, lots, but there's there's enough, really good stuff that there's two There's enough really good to be in the canon But I think that Traditionally, the canon was used as a way of excluding people who didn't come from grounds that were seen as worthy of the canon, which meant that the canon was very white, it was very male, it was very dead And that made literature feel cold and distant and turned a lot of people off from literature, G. Whereas if you're educated the way I was educated in high school, where we were reading Tony Kushner's Angels in America, and we were reading Vonnegid and we were reading Tony Morrison, who, you know, was just winning the Nobel Prize like when when I was in high school Um you know We were reading Alice Walker, like that stuff was really invigorating and felt really alive and present in ways that have been very helpful to me as a reader in person. Right. And that probably felt to some extent like that when the canon the original canon was being defined, which wasn't that long ago. It's not like we've had Y Cannon. Yeah Shakeshare' always sort of been hanging out in there for a lot of time, but Yeah. he's usually been in the conversation because he is The best in English did English really good. He's the best at English. Yeah He won English But you know what? he never won Hank. He never won a Nobel Prize, notot even one of them. He will. Very unlikely. They don't give it to dead people. Well, won't be dead anymore He'll be AI Shakespeare and he'll be writing new stuff And you can hang out with him, you can write him a message and you be like, Shakespeare, my girlfriend is be Really upset about the way the faith that I didn't turn the light off before I got into bed I thought that she was going get back up and brush her teeth. Turns out she was done. What do I do? Shakespeare's epitaph. is one of my favorite little poems. Don't you dare make me into an AI? That is literally what he said Oh yeah goodood friend for Jesus' sake, forbear, to dig the dust enclosed here Blessed be the man that spares these stones and cursed be he that moves my bones. He did not want his bones move, Tank He did not want his bones reanimated by AI in the twenty first century. He specifically asked us not to do that. Con't you remo my bones Don't move my bones And I'm sure somebody's already done it It's time to get to the all All important Ns from Mars and AFC one So there's the Psyche spacecraft, it's traveling to an asteroid, which is also called Psyche, and it's in the asteroid belt, which is between Mars and Jupiter. And so this mission has to go past Mars. But since it's doing that anyway, they decided to use Mars as a gravity assist. So Mars is involved here in two ways. First, it's speeding up this probe basically Mars is going around and this probe gets close enough to Mars that Mars starts to pull on it and then it pushes itself off of Mars and it gets a little bit of a speed boost So that's great. gets gets there a little sooner with less fuel But also as it's doing that, it's going to take a bunch of pictures of Mars, N really because we need pictures of Mars, but because it gets something to take pictures of, which allows the scientists to u, like mess with the and calibrate all of the instruments on board so that they're alady for the moment that it arrives at its actual target. So that's happening soon M That's pretty cool It's exciting. Yeah, and then it'll get to Psyche in twenty twenty nine where I well It has already passed Mars As of this coming out, not as of the recording, but as I'm concerned that we're not going to get any humans there next year But Yeah, well, you know Singularity, I don't know if that means. The singularity is the point at the center of the black hole where physics breaks down But it is it is also it also applies to the point at which intntelligence can manufacture itself and then all of our systems for understanding how fast anything can move breakdown. and we immediately ascend into the world where we no longer get sunburns Okay. well The kingdom of Godom the kingdom of heaven or the kingdom of God, depending on which gospel you're reading. That's your next reading assignment for after you're done with Hollywood ending. All right, Hank AFC Wimbledon have released their retained list, which is who is going to be with the team next season Both goalkeepers, Joe McDonald and Nathan Bishop are under contract. Ryan Johnson our captain is under contract. Marcus Brown is coming back for another year. He's under contract. Matdie Stevens Our goal scoring extraordinaire is under contract. Junior in Kang is under contract, although I will be surprised if we hold on to Starboy Junror and Kang because he is so young and so good. I would not be surprised if somebody came along and purchased him in the summer But let let's keep our fingers crossed that that doesn't happen Two of our best players, in my opinion are not currently signed up for next season. Steve Sedden, who is the player of the year this season, created more assist than any other player and did a great job tracking back as well And Joe Lewis, our longime defender and talismanic all guy Um, Still lot ofick Small bottom big. those two guys have not signed on yet. It's not clear if they will U, and a lot depends, I think in terms of the quality of the team next season on whether they do resign In general, I feel like there is here but you got to remember this team survived by three points this season. So if we're going to get better next season, which is not going to be easy, we're going to have to find ways to not only hold on to our current players but get better ones. and that pretty challenging. We're going to have to as Craig Cope explained to me when I saw him at the end of Season Awards, he said we can't buy stars, so we have to make them H And then they'll just leave us And then they will leave us, but hopefully for a big fee like Ali al Homedy did, becausecause if Ali Al Hamedy hadn't come to Wimbledon, we wouldn't be in League one, not because he did anything to get us there, but because of the million bucks that we got for selling him to Ipswich toown. Sometimes it's great when they leave fairly soon after joining. Like in my opinion, Ali al Al Homedy will always be a Wimbledon legend for what he did for the club. And a lot of what he did for the club was leave le Fascinating U I'm glad that we don't fund space missions this way. be tricky trade and Zionists aagina Yeah,. How'd you get your new crop astronauts? Oh, well, let me tell you Geez, we got this guy on loan from India. We got this guy. This guy he's He's he's got no chance of staying with us. He's going to be sold any day now. But we got it for now. Yeah. you got not like going to get got to get a big boost for They're going to sell all of our astronauts and just do robotic missions. They're going to do so much more science. That would be really, really bad for your ability to get a human on Mars by twenty twenty seven I don't think actually it would change the odds at all John, thank you for potting with me, and thank you to everyone for sitting in your questions at Hank and John at Gmail d. com dot I love to see him come in. This episode was edited by Michael Pulk. It was mixed by Andrew Smith. 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