Geopolitics and the Myth of the Deep State

It's a great question actually. and want to I want to frame it correctly from the start. so I understand that most people think that the Navy SEALals are the best trained most capable killers in the United States. they're not. they're not. I would say there's two different levels above Navy SELals. The first most immediate layer above them is the Army Delta Rangers, Delta Force That is so secret They still don't really acknowledge that they exist. And these are people who are capable of doing everything the SELals are capable of doing and doing everything that your clandestine services are capable of doing, all wrapped into one individual. And then you put five or six of those individuals together and you send them to the places where not only is there plausible deniability But there is essentially complete and total deniability. right? So those are and those people are amazing. So I understand why Navy seLals have become popularized in media because you're allowed to talk aboutight where you're not really allowed to talk about Delta. R. But anybody who really is deep into that culture of the military and who served in uniform. we all know. Delta is a whole different caliber. And then what's the top? And then I would say kind of adjacent to Delta. becomes your CIA paramilitary CIA has its own paramilitary organization that pools the best seELs, the best green berets, the best Delta Rangers, the best Marine Force recon, and then again trains them up to a CIA intelligence standard while also maintaining their tier one or upper level echelon military special operations training. Okay, so for us thick headed people out there, basically badass mother they can do wet work They're fully trained to go into any part of the world. You know, they up your body, they can up your day and they can up your mind. Yes. Whereas your Navy SEAL typically can only really up your day and up your body And I mean, I honestly, I know I'm going to piss a lot of seals off because there are a lot of seals. Just think about that, right? There's like six different teams All of them have hundreds of different seals like There's a lot of seals out there. and there There When you talk to them, if you've talked to them, if you haven't talked them you should one hundred percent invite them on your show. It doesn't take long talking to a seL before you realize that they are just a highly trained human weapon. Right. There's not always, there's not a lot of depath to them. Right. But when you get to like a green Beret or a deelta Uh trained operative. You' like you're talking to a smart person. so scary because you realize for're as smart and as kind as they seem They're also lethal. right. Right. And that's you start to get a humbling understanding why we are the best most powerful military in the world. And so you've got the intelligence of the Central intelligence agency and the physical capability of a Delta Force an operator. Right. Eactly right. And to answer your question, your original question was like You know, when an extraction happens, when an operation happens, how does it work The formal term that we use is it's a joint team or a joint military operation, sometimes a joint strategic operation. But the word joint is the key word there. And it means that you bring in experts in multiple different disciplines and you use all of those experts simultaneously in an operation to master Airland and sea, right? And then the fourth area is intelligence, right? So Airland and sea and intelligence basically makes for a fulsome joint task force that would essentially make it so that You would have an intntel operative who can keep up with the seEALals, like a paramilitary person, embedded with a Navy SEAL team that's executing an operation that's been fully built and planned by intelligence operators with Airborne ISR, which is your surveillance and recon. resources and then some sort of litoral escape, which is a sea based or river based escapes strategy, right? But now you have this incredible task force all coming together for one operation that might be an extraction of one or two people And it's done professionally, it's done quickly and it's done without discoverability. Right. And so I assume that you were part of this par military, this CIA When I left CIA, I was in an office that was part of the paramilitary wing. that I can't acknowledge. Oh, I see. Okay, but you can't acknowledge whether you were on ground. orr yeah, or like what role I had inside. Okay. There's some pretty amazing people I am not an amazing person. I'm a pretty normal dude Like I I got a chance to work with some freaking incredible people who I hope are still there because it would make me very proud to know that they're still working and I get to brag about that. So you've got these incredible people, you know, in this very elite intelligence agency. That's like understating it so much. But yet it seems since you've had, you know, I don't know how many interventions, right? whether that be u, you know, helping topple governments through disinformation or, you know, if you take Chile in nineteen seventy four overthrowing Aene, it was a lot of just supplying weapons to people and bombs. They were bombing the embassy or the excuse me the presidential palace, right to, you know, Vietnam. I'm sure the CIA was in there early in South Vietnam you know, trying to whip up dissent against the communists, right? and for the super corrupt government and all these All of these interventions Re nothing has worked out. You see the conflagration that's happening in the world now. It's in my opinion because It's all fraying. And it's all we're becoming a multipolar world again So kindind of makes me think if you guys have the ability to go and kill Castro when he was alive or go and kill the Ayatolla. you can get in and get out and you you could probably be more effectual if you chose to do it. Is that correct? So there's a couple things that are important for you to keep in mind because I appreciate your point of view Your point of view is very clearly uninformed Probably intentionally And that's what's so important. The American people are uninformed intentionally, which there's a term for that. We call that misinformation Right? Misinformation is information that isn't a lie disinformation. It isn't intentionally wrong. It's just incomplete O incorrect, right? So misinformation is an important tool that CIA uses that any secret intntelligence Svice uses in the world. So to your exact example, right All these examples of things that we've done wrong Absolutely agree Because every example that we've done right You don't to know about C, you can't give us one example. I mean, like how In the few examples that have gone public, the bombings that get discovered and prevented R. the terrorists that get captured, spies that get captured and put into and put into jail Of course. That happens every day. Yeah, right? Right Those stories they don't catch headlines.. rightight? They don't compete with the other news that's out there. So even the stuff that is disclosed You guys don't care about. All you got all the American people care about is the big sexy failure story So the first thing to keep in mind is that all of your examples are true. like we have failed in all sorts of ridiculous schemes, right? P nine hundred eleven, trying to get Castro's beard to fall out of his face host nine hundred and eleven trying to prevent the Russian invasion of Ukraine. We fail all the time. We failed in Afghanistan just a few years ago after twenty two years of conflict, right. But it's because the success stories are not something that we talk about for lots of reasons and we can get into the strategic value of why we keep those secrets if you want to that's the first thing. And then the second thing to keep in mind is could we be more effective? Could we be more capable? Absolutely. But don't forget that CIA is a government organization Let's list off some other government organizations. Of course, right? The DMV. Right. When was the last time you had a good experience in the DMV, the IRS Yeah. When was the last time the IRS was flawless. Yeah. Right. And that's not even before we get into the government housing authority, you talk about like the Department of Education. It's still a federal bureaucratic engine where eight out of ten people are not covert. So you've got all the same bureaucracy and all the same hurdles plus post nine eleven. Like I said, you've got so much more meddling from Congress, from vice presidencies, from senators and Congress people and people running for office. Like it's just it becomes a huge bureaucratic stew. if anything They are less effective because they take fewer risks in the modern day. I see. Because there's so many more hurdles to go over Well, you know, I like the, you know, finding bin Laden and yeah, stopping bombings. That's that's all good. That's like high level police work. I think the rest of the world though, it becomes a problem when you're trying to nation build. Like the CIA hass been used as a tool basically of the Hawks, the Warwks since the end of the Cold War And you see now we find ourselves literally today as close to nuclear war probably as we were in nineteen sixty two, right before the Cuban missile crisis. kicked off. So I guess what is your opinion? do you think the CIA because the world splitting apart into three different polls Do you think the CIA should brought home just to a more of defensive you know, America first. That's certainly where the body politics going, right? It's going to like this populist, Hey, we're not going to work. We don't want to we don't want to meddle in what's going on in the Middle East or Russia We need to just fortify our own country and make sure that we're safe. Do you think the CIA should kind of like Rhift its focus that way because that's kind of where the world's going. So it's funny it's funny It's funny that you think CIA would shift its focus as if CIA was an independent organization. It's not CIA falls under one of the three branches of government, it fs under the executive branch. So who's the chief executive? Yeah President, So how up the CIA It's as up as the president is above it It doesn't get to choose its own course. Yeah. So don't ever mistake The men and women who serve at CIA and the actions at CIA takes as being one and the same. The men and women at CIA take the action that's dictated to them by the executive and the policies set by the executive branch of government Which means when Trump is in office, they do what Trump says. When Biden is in office, they do what Biden says because that's what a government servant is. Okay so then The Russia gate hoax scandal where They say that elements of the CIA We're working to spread disinformation, I would call it, against Trump saying that he was a Russian spy But this is while he was in office. So do you think that what's your opinion on that? Is that a little too overblown is like a CIA hit job? or so there's well, there's multiple things happening, right? Because you've got the United States in the United States, we have something called freedom of speech People mistake what freedom of speech is, freedom of speech means that you can speak out about your government. without being held accountable to any kind of government overreach through the judicial system. It doesn't mean like if I say something bad about you, that's called slander You can take me to court, you can sue me, I pay you. There's no freedom of speech between people Like we mistakenly think that freedom of speech means we can say whatever we want. No, you can't. That's slander. That's's covered by the court system When you say something bad about the government, it's a whole different rule. When you have ten thousand people, again, just the r number, ten thousand people at CIA and twenty of them decide to raise their hand and say, well, the president's actually a Russian. whatever, sympathist That's not CIA saying the presresident's a Russian sympathies. That's twenty individuals who happen to work for CIA putting their name on a whatever. It doesn't violate their contract. It doesn't violate their agreements. someomewhere it might violate The There's like a clause that we sign wheret we don't meddle in politics based on our position. So there there's an actual enforceable rule in there that we sign contractually. But what ends up happening is the media gets a hold. of twenty five people at CIA, could be dumbasses They could be friaking for all we know, they could work in the transportation office or they could be like a senior leader on some important country desk. We have no idea who they are What we know is that they work for CIA and they said the president can't be trusted. That's not the same thing as CIA saying the president can't be trusted. But are there not high levels, certainly within the CIA, there's high level actors, executives that don't share that act roguely, right? I don't even know if forroguely' a word that act a rogue. and that obviously don't involve most, you know, certainly not the overt associates of the CIA, the overt employees and probably not most of the covert employees. It's really I' I am shocked I am shocked because you say things as if they are true when they are totally just They're totally uninformed.. R? You can't say surely there are rogue officers. Let's be logical about this for a second How does somebody reach a senior position at CIA? There's only two ways Right? How does anybody in government reach a senior position? There's only two ways You either spend enough time in government that you promote to that level or You're appointed and who appoints you? President If somebody at the senior level of CIA is there, it's because they've either learned how to play the game so well that they've promoted their way to the top orr they were literally appointed by the executive who they work for So why the would anyone think there's a rogue element at the top of the CIA?s no There's no rogue element because if you work your ass up there, acting in a rogue way is going to get you kicked out and fired because nobody wants to work with you. because it's an organization that does not promote the elite It's an organization that promotes the loyal Right, just like any government agency. So if anything, the higher you get the less likeike less incentive you have to ever do anything other than the status quo. So it sounds like you don't really believe in the deep state deep The deep state doesn't exist. The way that people talk about it If Anbody were to just do the mental exercise of how would you build a deep state You'll find two things. an organized deep state is too complicated and it goes against human nature Does that mean there isn't some secret organization of people who are collaborating? No. It just means that they're not organized Who is making ninety percent of the decisions for the United States? your senior company CEO's like your wealthiest Americans, but that's not a deep state That's not a group of people who are organizing together to intentionally direct foreign policy and domestic policy. That's just a bunch of rich people who are working in their own rich people best interest, which is exactly what the forefathers intended for the United States This idea that we were somehow built to be like a democratic test bed, like we were supposed to be some free country, that's not what the United States was born to do The United States was born to be a land earning economically independent free zone away from the UK, away from Britain, away from England at the time That's what we were born to do. And we werere supposed to be a non interventionist. country. That's foreign policy That wasn't that forefathers the forefathers most likely did not intend for us to be non interventionist because guess how we won the Revolutionary War intertervention. What do you mean? They We have the French are the reason we won our independence They intervened Like the French were critical to American independence. And then from that point on, like the biggest question we had after we gained our independence is are we going to help France gain their independence. R Right? And there's all sorts of the forefathers they participated in stuff in Mexico, they participated in stuff against Spain and France. like we were always involved in foreign affairs as long as those affairs benefited the U.S economy. What I'm saying is So you have a very Machiavellian worldview. L this is what you're saying this is a you're looking at the world and you could be right too. It's I guess I'm an idealist, right? I'm like, there's got to be a way that we can all get along. We' know. We can all We can all benefit from free trade. I not that we can all be equal. We wouldn't want that. I'm not I'm not the furthest thing from from a communist or a leftist or collectivist. I abhore it Uh, there's got to be a way uh, that technology can move us beyond Bob this jockeying for like power So like there's got to be superpowers can maybe share power And we're going to get into this Think about it I I We're going to get into it. Why is Iran? Why are Iran and Russia U whyy do they have trade pacts? Why does Russia now have trade pacts with China and the East? These guys aren't fighting Nobody wants to smoke anymore. The only people to want to smoke are America and Israel. You know what I mean? The writing is kind of on the wall, in my opinion. The writing has been on the wall for a long time. We've all just been looking at different walls Right? That's the thing, right? So it's not Can we all get along Yes Can we all get along as equals? No Are there some people out there who still think that equality is what we're pursuing Yes Are there people out there who know full well equality is not what we're pursuing but they still promote it as an idea Yes Right? And that's where things start to get jumbled. As an example to your to the point previously where you were like You know, how do we have all these failures? How could the CA be so incompetent? whatever else, right? Look at how we've succeeded Basically, the United States has done one thing over and over again very, very well since the end of World War twoIo that has led to us being a superpower And what we have done is we have made other countries dependent on us. That's all we've done. It's that simple, man It that's because we have the dollar. No. I wouldn't give that credit to the CIA. No, it's not because of the dollar. It's because it is. we can print the money and it's we are the reserve currency. and we took it we kept everybody's gold too. What is everybody pay us in and foreign currency and gold. R They don't pay us in dollars. Why do you think the United States doesn't take payment in dollars becausecause there are dollars becausecause the dollars are worthless. Right. So it's not because of the American dollar that we're powerful. We're powerful because coming out of World War II, How many Japanese and Nazi bombs happen in the United States None. We weren't destroyed. Our economic capacity was maxed. O. We actually got women into the workforce for the first time ever. Absolutely. But what was it like in the UK and France and Germany? Dimated. Desimated. What was it like in Japan decimated. So who became contractor of the world We did