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Visit optimum dot com or stop by your local optimum store today. famamously fast fiber for twenty five dollars a month for five years, That's a no brainer. Terms apply, see optimum dot com for details This episode is sponsored by Explorer Journeys. Travel the world in an ocean frront suite on an ultra elegant ship Discover more at explorerjourneys. com I was surpr I surprised myself at how I just wasn't nervous going into Sunday of Aber Aabbbei. Lando Norris, he's the Formula one Wow Champion. Oh my God You made a his dream from true. Thankks so much. No no cry The hunger is still there. Success is addictive. it's a drug. Mando Norris is backing off. a swap of positions. Oscar Pastri goes back through into the lead of a Grand Prix. But it passed a couple of years ago. I think if I won that race, McLlaren wouldn't have achieved what they have over the last few years which probably means we wouldn't won the driver' Ch championship last year. Do you see yourself as a one team driver? There's only one place I'd ever be interested in. But that's very, very in the distance future. For now I'm heavily committed to McLaren being the only team I'll ever want to be with Welcome everybody to this week's F one Beyond the Grid. I am ' delighted to say that we have the reigning world champion with us. Land are. How are? Thank you very much. Say that again. Does it ever get old It will never get old. No. It's just cool every time someone says it. so always makes his vow Probably will forever. But I got toa make the most of it, you know, It doesn't last forever, so Some people have got high hopes for later this year, Lando. But before we get on to that, we thought you'd might want to see a sort of new friend. Whoose is this one? Wh because it's not my one. Well, so how does it work? So you were given the trophy at the FIA prize giving at the end of last year. Yeah. Do you get to keep that one? I think so And where is it? Where do you keep it? Above my Miami one? So I have Miami. I got the box that the Miami one came in. So first race win and then first win and then championship now. Yeah. on the mantlepiece by the bed. It's kind of like when I open up my door I kind of it's a little little hallway. Um but it kind of opens up. so It's a living room so I have like a little desk within the box and the trophy on. and it's like a window behind it. so as I open up the door St could see a shining light And then like their outline of a tr face. It's pretty cool. It's really cool It wass really cool I'm happy with it. you are the eleventh British worldld Champion, the thirty fifth in the history of Formula One. When you look at all the names on the trophy next to you, Who are you most proud to be alongside? Who are your heroes Wha. U Well, I think the easy one is to say is Lewis I started watching and there was a kind of Ferando at the time. I mean, I watched both of them in McLaren in two thousand seven So that like the first race I can remember watching was two thousand seven t if it wass Indianapolis or Silverstone, maybe I remember watching them and I remember seeing Lewis on the podium. So like for me, that was one of my earliest memories of F one was seeing Lewis on the top step That's why Barcelona was cool. because it was like, I think it was the first time I got to share a Podium Midle was when he was on the top step again That kind of just gave me a little like little throwback feeling to that like me as a kid going like, oh Sing Lis on the top ses. So that was just pretty cool for me to kind of share the moment, but Lewis is probably the main one and Fernando because those were the two guys out McLaren at the time, and I've loved McLaren ever since. But you have, u Some that I'm good friends with, you know, and like Jackie Stewart and Sab So was on there a good amount, you know, So a few drivers that nice will speak to now and get along with very well Um, Mika Um You do a lot of your wr every We do a good amount. I mean he's still part of the McLaren family. so that's something that's very, very special for all of us. It comes to a lot of the races. so's just s just a fun guy to be around. So it's always nice when he's there to join us How many of the guys you've just mentioned have a waxw in Madame Toussau say? Not many? I know they are Lewis right? And Cenna E and Senna as well. mention Ed He didn't mention him but Yeah, I mean Senna is Senna. you don't need no explanation for Senna. needither for Lewis to be honest. I mean it's cool for me because It like Most people know what Madam Taource is. so it's just it's just I just think it's something very cool, as simple as that.' something very cool You don't ever get put in Madam two swords unless You know, you've achieved something pretty pretty special. And that's what this trophy was, you know, So What do you make of your doppelganger? I freaky because You know, the only time you ever see yourself really is in a mirror You only ever see yourself in two D, you never see yourself in three D. So I feel like it's weird to see yourself in depth because otherwise you're always just looking at a flat image of yourself. So I find it odd. becausecause I'm like is that what it look like Is it accurate, Really accurate, rightight down to the sort of I think you have to tell me better than I say myself, okay, well then you have to go to mary sce. It is it is like when you're up close And I kind of kind of like the eyes and I see the picture of like my eyes to the eyes that are kind of used in the colours and It's pretty accurate and the moment of me, I think was I think it was Miami, my first win. I think it was like the celebration of Miami. Do you get to choose the pose because it's that sort of clenched fist. Yeah, whichich I think was Miami was me on the podium. So that was like a cool moment when at that time because you know it was made I was thinking of Silverstone last year, but this was made way started making this way before Silver Stone. So Interesting. so they started making it before the championship. Yeah, almost over a year ago, yeah. Well easily over a year. What's the process? So they don't just do it from photographs. you have to go in and have a fitting Yeah, yeah, now has to go and stand on like a boarding and You know, they have to get like all the skin tone color matched up was spack just off the holiday so I was pretty tanned. before this Um Ivious, I've But betting you have to get a haircut ready for an event like this. So Weirdly, the Hircut is quite similar to what you've got now given that they start It's a little bit a little bit fresher. it's kind of like shorter sides. It was kind of yeah ish towards when I was kind of going mullets e. but you could still kind of decide this and choose kind of what you wanted, but Yeah, it's I don't know, I just found it weird, but just amusing at the same time to kind of see me, which is cool. So I'm very happy to enjoy here. get used to that now. I mean, kind of serious question. you're The recognition you get now, particularly with the Championship I mean Madame Tsords is a reflection of that, but are you still not used to the global recognition Um I think you kind of naturally You naturally subconsciously get used to it But I don't know, I feel like you see it always more from an outside perspective, you know, you see the the desize the sensation of someone you look at. So you know, I feel like you see that when you look at other athletes and sports stars and footballers and things you see, you know, the worldwide fame of someone on the outsider's perspective. So it's hard to kind of see what it's like for you or whoever seeing me in that in that perspective, you know Owise because I very much just live my life and I like to just be with my friends and What do I see? I see that I get notice more when I'm in public and I have more fans, more supporters Occasionally's more stuff online and your personal life's invaded a little bit more. So you know, I see that. You see kind of the bigger broader picture of of all of it put together. So I don't know, I feel like I go along living my life And with that then comes more and more, and I think you probably see it more than I do in some ways. So I get used to it and you get used to it, but it's still like I still find it odd because I feel like I'm still me. I just want to come and drive the race car and then go home and that's all I've ever wanted to do. But I'm still, you know, the fact I still see like the lando stand in Silveronia that many people They're there to come cheer for me and support me. The amount of messages I get from people Like all these different little things that are like Damn whyy do these people do this for me? You know, it's like's that's the odd feeling more than justust knowing your' fous or whatever it is is' so like Why there's so many people that are there to cheer for me and that's the coolest part of it Is the Lando stand back at Silverstone this weekend understand. Is it bigg bigger? Biggerer. Yes, it's pretty huge Soas' done an amazing job. I also have to thank them for kind of allowing us to do it. Where is it on the track So he's still in stow It's just huge. The grandstand's gone like further up further around, especi to the whole of Stow and now more. And I went I went to see it I don't know a month ago a month and a half ago. So had done like the British flag on it, my logo on the seat. So even when no one's in here this all looks pretty cool. And I think the bannering and everything's just gone up now So it's pretty will you pay a visit Yeah, of course, of course, of course, of course. I think I go before the weekend. to kind of just go and see it before as everything's set up, before people are there And then u Of course, I think on Sunday during Dver's parade I'll hopefully stop off there Now of course, I have to go pay a visit. They're my team. They're my fans, you know, so I'll go see them and we have cool things set up. you know, I want them to have a good time. like I want them to have a better time than any other grandstand. So with some music and you know, we partner with my partners to try and bring people the best weekend possible It's clear you're still buzzing about sort of everything associated with success Be it's not normal. It's not a normal thing. And I guess yeah, I guess my life is not normal, but I still very I still feel inside very normal. and I don't want to kind of There are certain things in life that people are like, oh, you should go do more of this and be seen here and go into like I I'm not fussed by that. you know, I really just want to enjoy my life. I'm not bothered by u trying to necessarily hope that people remember me forever and go down in history and be remembered for it like I want to do going down in history. Yeah, exactly. that's It's an amazing thing that I get to see, but it's not like that's not why I started to drive in Formulal O or I wanted to be in Formulal one isn't like a because I want people to remember me forever. I just want to I want to win. I don't want to win for me and my team and my people and my friends and my family and my fans give to them. That's all I want to do. 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Termes and conditions apply N to hire This is a job for indeed sponsored jobs Norris, he's the Formula one, Wow champion Norris wins the title in twenty twenty five Call yourself the champion. you have to still be standing by the end of the fight. After twenty four rounds, it's Lando Norris who takes his first world championship. It's the promised land for Landa. Oh my God, you made a kistam True, thanks so much. I love you guys. Thanks for everything. You deserve it I love you my loved to h Thankks for everything. No no cry When you've strive for something for so long, in your case winning the worldorld Championship What is it like to actually achieve it Um There definitely was a moment of like u Like what do I do now? Like I certainly had that thought of What does it mean now? It's weird like trying to fight for that thing your whole life. And I mean, since I was you fiveive, six, seven years old to twenty six twenty years trying to achieve one thing, really, which was that And then it's done. And the thing is it's always so distant, you know, like You've never done it till you've done it, but It always feels so far away of his hardart or any at any time believe that it's going to happen at least in my mind, until It happens So it is quite a moment of like it's just a buildup of kind of never really expecting it and realizing it until that very moment, you know across the line. and you experience it for yourself, which is very different to seeing people on TV. you know, every time I' seen Louis I saw Lewouis won a Championship or Max or Seb You know, it's a very different perspective of the emotion and feelings and being surrounded by all those people. Did you even for a moment thinkink of doing a Rosberg and say done this. and just going away No, I said I think I said it in some interviews a long time ago with George and stuff but Um no, no. like u I love what I do I want to achieve more than one. I feel like I can achieve more than one. so U No, no, also because I've achieved it at a much younger time in my life than what Nico did I don't know what A Nika was when he achieved his championship, but I think by that time he had kids and a wife and I certainly don't at the minute. so yeah, maybe by that time when I do or in a few years when I do, then my opinion will change or what I want to do How has it changed your appetite for racing and for success. I mean very few people set out to climb Mount Everest twice, right? They just do it once. Yeah, the thing is, I mean, you know, are you h that' a pretty crazy thing to do, but I feel like there's a lot more risk in doing something like that, but The thing is hung the hunger is still there. I think There are some things that in life that I'm Once you get that feeling of doing it once, you're like, You want more of it and success is certainly an addictive. it's a drug And you certainly get that from winning trophies and celebrating with the team and all of these incredible things. But certainly none of it has gone like I'm still at that point of and I think goes forever, honestly. That's why you still see Fernando here and Louis here is because they know what it feels like they know what it does to you and forty, forty four, forty one years old, still wanting to get that feeling again One guy seven of them And and he still wants more, you know. So That's what it can do to someone and the effect it can have on someone. And can you relate to that now? Can you see yourself as a forty one year old still striving for that Next one. N hit. No. Really no? no You never know. I don't know if Luis said he' be here when I'm forty one and I't know if Fernandoz said he'll be here when he's forty four, but O Fernando left and then thought, actually I want more of that. I'll go back. Yeah. Then maybe you I don't know, I don't know what to expect in ten years. I very much live in the now of my life I also look forward to certain things in the future, but Uh No want to retire And and have kids. I want to go play golf. I want to travel the world. like without a job And you can still do all of those my friends and you can still do all of those things and be a formal wundrobe Yeah, but you know But that's the thing, like, you know a lot of drivers retire and then they're like, Damn I should never retired or Some go, yeah, the best decision I made and happy I moved on. Some regret that they retired and like damn I miss it My time will come when I need to make that decision and make it and then see what happens But that's a look that's too far away for now. so I'm not bothered by thinking of it, for now I want to Two of my names in a row and that's my golf for now Well, what chance of two names in a row? Talk us through the MCL forty and the minute. It's been a sticky start. Pret pretty to say that, right? Yeah. But yeah I just I don't want to roll it out I wouldn't want to be here if you've ruled something out that quickly in life. So all this talk of winning, right? When you have the frustrations that there have been so far this year you know, China and the retirements from Canada and stuff, is it harder to take? I've spent I spent what six years trying to win a race. So it wasn't like I went from, you know You have the two complete opposites. You have Lewis who was fighting for a car and had a car that could fight for W Championship straight away got used to winning And then for him probably going to not winning was quite an extreme thing. For me, I was trying to win because we had such a terrible car for six years I'm more used to not winning because of these situations than I am to it. So you know It was still like, oh N to me all of these situations and I've kind of feelt like I've at the minute a little bit more like we were just a few years ago But yeah, for now I'm definitely not got used to wedding, so I feel like, u you just reset I've always been realistic. so it's not like a You know, I I've Im realistic that I don't have a chance at the minute really to compete for polls and wins. If I doe, then amazing but u It's not like my expectations of that for the time being. How far off are you, do you think? This u s so difficult to know I mean, you look at Barcelona. We're a little way away honestly on the raceason was really competitive though. Yeah, it was better than I thought. but honestly, I thought it was one of the best drives I've ever done in my life. Champions drive. Does't matter. Yeah, doesn't matter. No one needs to see it on the outside. No one has to believe it But inside, you know as a driver when you feel like you've done a good job and There's no chance that we should be fighting that high up and fighting two Mercedes with the car that we have at the time for at the moment. So Generally, I thought it was one of the best drives I've done almost in my career Which is the sham. the only thing about Formula onene is, you know you don't always see the best drivers at the front You don't always have the guy who drove the best and did the best performance to win a race. Sometimes you can feel like you've done the best driob of your life and you finish P ten P fifteen, P twenty even. so You know, that's the formula one and that's, you know, you need to be lucky at times in your life to be with the correct team at the right time and all of those things. So But I'm confident. I believe in my team. so I'm confident that it's on its way. Lando, you said something a minute ago about the sort of The early cars weren't competitive, and then I suppose twenty four is when it first came alive for you, right You've done one hundred and fifty eight races for the team and counting. been here for seven and a half years now. you know, you've done more races for this team than anyone else What kind of an influence do you think you've had here at Mcaren you know, on the resurgence When you joined in ' nineteen, they weren't in a great place. No. like we fluctuated a lot in like nineteen, twenty, twenty one, just very up and down moments we thought, okay, this is it run the way and then step back and I never kind of got the momentum going. I want to believe it Like I'm obviously I've never I've honestly never been like, u an ego led guy. so I'm never going to come into an interview and say yeah, it was all me. but I want to believe that I had a decent impact within the team. Just in terms of u spirit and motivation. enjoyment, Um likeike you know, you're a professional team and you have to act professional and all these things, but I think you certainly do need quite a few of these attributes within a team of several hundred eight hundred people. get the most out of each other and get over bad weekends, get over bad years. because you can easily fall into a trap of them K of like McLaren, we're in at that point of no one wanted to take blame, no one wanted to accept and take accountability No one thought they ever did something wrong. And for me, I've always been very much the opposite of that. evenven if I have an amazing race and you go, wow, was an incredible race There was plenty of times I come in and go no, that was shocking. I did a terrible app, could have been pulled, didn't messed it up, whatever it was. So for me, I was always very much the opposite of how McLaren was back then And I think in some ways, you know it's always impossible to quantify these things, but When you put a combination of Me and Carlos back in those first few years and then me Daniel, like certain bits always add up. I think my involvement and my commitment to the team helps a lot But I also think for me, then I just put the biggest accountability down to Zach, first of all, An Andrea I honestly think Andrea is one of the most unbelievable people that I've ever met that can run a team, get the maximum amount of a team, understand people myself included and I know how to get the maximum out of people generally don't know anyone better. I've not met a lot of people in other teams because I've only never been with McLaren I generuineally don't know of many people And I find it very difficult to believe that there's many people better than Andrea U what is his greatest quality just workor ethic, understanding people I think you have to understand people. how they work, how they maximize and get everything from a performance side of things. Just the environment and the mentality of the whole team and understanding all of these things gettingetting people to work together, like there's a lot that goes into making a good for Lon team, but you know There's not been many teams that have kind of gone from where we were a few years ago lost pretty much to beating a Mercedes forerari Red Bull who have dominated Fula onene for years. So clearly done a much better job than than other people and a lot of that, I think is down to din dryir and in understanding all of these things. So Uh I don't think you need to like even realize much like If you have a ten minute conversation with Andrea and you sit down and speak to him And for me, like a lot of our conversations is not even racing related They the complete opposite of that ten minutes is enough to realize The kind of person he is Do you think you've taken a step forward as a driver since he became principle one hundred percent one hundred percent easy in what ways? how has it helped you on track? Are you more consistent? Are you No is no it's a lot mter arere you faster? Yeah, I I say anything I'm faster. I think also just it's more, I think me as a person. in my perspectives, my values almost up Eernal role that he's playing U I wouldn't say that' just L he's just a very, very good leader I think he's a very good Team leader And u the speeches he gives, the The amount that he cares also I think he cares so much, which is u O the most important values he's a lot of respect. And when you just mix all of these things together You want to listen to everything he says and understand everything he says. and I've learned a lot from him. I'm fascinated by leadership in Formula One. and what we're talking about now reminds me of something Matia Bonnotto said on this show just a few weeks back. We were talking about Schumacher And he said Michael was brilliant racing driver. But he was an even better leader. Yeah than he was drivers I thought was fascinating. He would, you know, literally he'd say, rightight guys, we're going this way and we would all following Do you see yourself in a as a driver in a leadership role like that. stuff like certainly not a few years ago I certainly think there were certain things I felt like I played a good part of in the team in terms of like morale and enjoyment and seeing positives at times and taking accountability, there are different different versions, which in some ways you can maybe put under under those words. Um, I'm not like a public speaker or anything. so I'm not going to stand in front of the whole team and give the most inspirational motivational speech. But I think more in in a way of personality and care respect, love like for the team for the people that I work alongside, just like genuine values I think is where I feel like I've played a good part. Yeah. I think like saying team leader is a A very powerful thing I don't know if I would kind of say that about myself, but I definitely uh feel like, um I I don't know how to say it. I don't know what the word is kind of not as powerful as leadader, but within a similar regime as that Landa, when you look at the worldld Champions on the grid today They all seem to have that role in the team. and I look from the outside in at you and your influence that you have on the people you work with. and I think it's absolutely the same with you, which is you know, Max is very much the team leader isn't Rebel Lewis is appears to be taking on more of that role at Ferrari and Fernando, you know kind of every team he goes to, so it's interesting, isn't it Do you see yourself as a one team driver? L like Jim Clark, Jim Clark only ever race for Lotus in Formula One? He won a couple of championships, is that Do you see yourself and McLaren wedded like that? Very, very potentially. 'cause I don't know how long I've been in Ful one know my contract still goes for a good amount of years. So I know I'm not leaving anytime soon Um Yeah, I don't know. Could you ever see a day where the challenge to do it again somewhere else becomes Personal challenge or loyalty to McLaren is above everything If there's any place I want to go, there's only one place That's it But do you want me to can I guess? You can say whatever team you want. I don't care, but there's only one place I wouldd ever be interested in But that's very, very you know, in the distance future. For now I'm heavily committed to McLaren being the only team I'll ever want to be with And I feel like they're my family. I want to do as much as I can with McLaren for as long as possible for, you know Five years, ten years And I'm very, very proud and happy that I can say that, you know, more than almost every many other drivers ever informula one U so Yeah, for me, that's my goal is to be with McLaren forever, but I also love love winning. so u until until that time comes You never know. But even if I'm not winning, you know, I didn't win for six years. I could have gone to different places and I didn't because in the end of the day I just want to enjoy. Like it goes all the way back to the very beginning, honestly You easily have that perception from people saying you have to be cutthroat and do all these different things. but I'll do my best with McLaren forever And even sometimes if you're not winning It doesn't mean I necessarily want to go to another team I just want to be with the people that I enjoy being with. 's that's the only thing I really care about This episode is sponsored by Vanta If there's one thing in business that's spreading as fast as AI, it's AI risk. If it feels like there's a new AI tool to try every week, you're probably not imagining it. Every new integration, every new platform prromising to make your team more productive. It's all great until you stop and think about how each one creates another opportunity for something to go wrong, because most security programs weren't built for AI's pace of growth. 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And listeners of this show will get a seventy five dollars sponsored job credit to help get your job the premium status it deserves at indeed d. com slash podcast Just go to indeed. com slash podcast right now and support our show by saying you heard about indeed on this podcast. indndeed. com slash podcast. Terms and conditions apply need to hire This is a job for indeed sponsored jobs Do You think you need to be cutthroat to win inmula one I think there there's moments helps. I don't think you have to be a cutthroat person There are moments when you need to maybe play a little bit more of that role and have that attribute when you might need it. but I don't think all out You need to you need to be cle. I don't believe that or overly aggressive or selfish or any of these things. There are times when I wish I was maybe more in that direction and I could just fall upon that attribute more in my life and within racing, but it's hard for me to do so. Um, that's, you know last year where I very much wanted just on my own values. There was plenty more times when I could have probably you know, got off the brake and committed more and ended up maybe crashing just to proved my point of I'm not going back out, but yeah Was there a little bit of that in Singapore or not? Llando Norris has got himself up fourth position, might be third position. He's side by side with his teammate Aoscopy Astra' millimeters away from the wall as Llando Norris gets by in a crucial move for the worldor Championship and is the damage to one of the McLarens U no, u Maybe a percent But you know what interesting, I'm not just talking about how you drive on track. I mean, I think of I think one of the saddest stories of sort of the modern era is Louewis Hamilton and Nicol Rosbo. They were best mates in carting. they were in the same team. and yet both of them were prepared to sacrifice their friendship to win the World title, right And they still don't really talk. I feel that's really sad. Are you No yeah. Do you understand where they're coming from? Would you saytely You would sacrifice a friendship to win. No, I get where they're coming from. I don't know if like ame for them. I'm sure they didn't want their friendship to end. or to kind of go the way that it did I certainly wouldn't want to But I very much understand how it's possible. L I'm lucky I've had a teammate that's I think shares very similar values. and therefore, you don't go in that direction. But it's so, so easy to end up in the way that they have done. if the two teammates is fighting for a world championship It takes so little for you to go in that direction as teammates. Like it takes it's easy to do. Give us an example holding back a bit of information in a debrief, Is that what we're talking about? or is it ye Yeah, I mean, it's gonna be a collection of things. depends how strong you are as a teammate Um, It can be hiding things just lying you know, lying, not being yet upholding to things you might have said before the races. You can easily go back to you know, Budapest a couple of years ago Andand know there are five laps to go The way to win a championship is not by yourself. It's with the team. You're going to need Oscar and you're going need the team Amando Norris is backing off. He was on the cusp of a second Grand Prix victory. A swap of positions. Oscar Pasty goes back through into the lead of a Grand Prix. The gap in the drivers' championship could have come down to sixty nine points, but instead, the man from Melbourne leads Yeah, you don't need to say anything I led the race and there's so many people like, oh, I wouldn't have let him back pass and all of those things, you know, so easy for me to just keep bounding around and win the race Um Some people might have loved that but I generuineally probably wouldn't have been able to lilive that for the rest of my life. So. And do you think that would have really affected your relationship with us if you had done that? The team wouldn't be the same as they are now P probably wentn't have won the constructors. for the last two years which probably means we wouldn't won thever's champhip. In't won driver's Champhip last year That's how easy it is for things to go wrong in forormal one So yeah, I think if I won that race McLaren wouldn't have achieved what they have over the last few years Have you and Oscar sat down since Abu Dhabi and just had a really good chat you think we talk We've had the thing is like we have team chats all the time, likeike it never just me and him. But we have team chats every single weekend multiple times that include him, I Andrea, we both have our own trs with Andrea and then things are shared between us. So no, we've not had like a man to man just just chat. I don't think any of us we wouldn't want that because we're just not I suppose find it awkward and probably laugh. so No we the relationship looks good. I saw a really fun thing on the McLaren social channels about You two scrap booking, right I mean, they make it McL I make us see a lot of No stuff that I wouldn't do. The reason I'm raising it is that you two seem to rub along pretty well Given everything. one hundred hundred percent I don't know, it's always just trickier to talk about these kind of u different moments and having one person win over another like it's Yeah, if I could just have the same have it happen, but neverever things kind of be awful or kind of hurt someone more than the other. I think that's how I would have it. but this is a sport, you know, is where we care a lot about wanting to be better than one another and to prove you're the best in the world And people are always gonna be hurt. I'm going to get hurt at some point in my career because I lose out to him or another driver and the other way around. so it's a that's just but that's just sport. like You always have a winner and then you always have losers. I've been a loser for many times in my life And for the first time was a wareaser. Are you a better racing driver now that you've got championship in the bag. A you driving with more confidence? Are you more relaxed? Yeah. Yeah both of those really like when people say, what's changed since you've won a championship simimply it's just those two things I feel more relaxed because I spent twenty years to achieve one thing and I've achieved it. I can die happy now, you know, like this is u My life led to that one moment and I'm just very, very happy that I managed to do it. I'm proud of myself that I managed to achieve it with all those people around me And When I'm relaxed, I generally can feel more confident. Winning the championship last year gave me has just allowed me to have more confidence in an underlying way because I feel like I can just lean on that. Like I just have something to go n. you came from a lot worse last year or you went through a lot worse last year at times. and came out of it in the best way possible. So I kind of I've gi myself a blog to lean on and that's exactly what I need at times. So whereas last year I kind of never had that And I had to work with you know, specialists and people to give me a support from people around me and try and just give myself my own support at times because at the beginning of the year I certainly didn't have any of that. and I kind of never had much of that as a driver, but now I just have my own block built by this I've got my own trophy to lean on and That's a very good thing to have from a confidencence point of view And if you're in a similar situation again fighting for the championship Will you fight in a slightly different way now that after everything you learnnt in twenty five General No There'll be maybe moments I make some different decisions here or there in a race on on an overtake or a defense or You know, could you have defended that one place better in this race back there Yes, could you have maybe mitted a bit more on braking and got this position here, yes couldould you have done that one qualifying lap here or there where you could have improved two hundred score one more position? Maybe want to race or finished higher up. Yes. so you know, there are little things along the way that subconsciously and naturally you'll kind of make better. or decide better at the time, but also just where to put your energy, right I mean, ye certainly that just comes, I think with experience winning a title that's just years of not just twentyning, I think every every year you learn what you kind of need to care about more U what you need to spend your energy on or what you don't need spend energy Yeah have you had a glimpse now? Do you look back last year and think, oh, Max had had four titles. Yeah, he did have an advantage in those final moments, you know Think of the disqualification making sure I'm unsure. Oviously the disqualification is the thing that gave them hope really. But I thought you were remarkably relaxed turning up in cat. I was going to say, certainly didn't make me more nervous. Like I honestly I don't know, I was surprised, I surprised myself how Not nervous I was, I don't know, the other way confident I was I was never that confident, but I just wasn't nervous going into Sunday of Abudabibi, or just going into the weekend of Abu Aabbei or Qatar It wasn't like I was like, o She they're hard on our heels, whatever it is, you know, I I was surprised at how relaxed I was on Sunday of Aberdabi when you know, two points was all it was in the end of the day. So was I've always wanted to ask you this or since Abu Dhabi, but were you surprised with the race that Max drove in Abu Dhabi? Did you expect him to back you up into Charles Lecler to just try and cause a bit of jeopardy. Were you expecting that because actually he just think he needed to win the race. O Oska. so That's why Oscar came past at the beginning, I didn't need to fight Oscar And I see having Oscar second place was a better thing for me So I think if I was second, he would have done it. So you let Oscar through on the opening lap, right? I just didn't fight. I just didn't need to fight it on the topic of Max. Can I just ask you about the Nber Gring Nordchleifer? Yeah. I know you did some laps in it in a seven hundred twenty. Yeah seven hundred fifty. seven hundred fifty was it? oK How'd you find it? Pretty scary but pretty awesome. U I've given I' done loads of lapse on the simulator so I knew the whole track off by hard and like pretty pretty damn accurate. So were you pushing