Balancing Family and Professional Life

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If you wait until something breaks, you're already behind Count on Granger for quality products, easy reordering, and twenty four seven support. Call one eight hundred Granger, click Granger d. com or just stop by Granger For the ones who get it done one driver's success comes from being in the right car At the right time Moving teeams is a career defining decision and we've seen it go both ways. Lewis Hamilton's move from McLaren to Mercedes rewarded him with six more world championships. Lewis Hamilton wins the Turkish Grand Prix and is a seven time Champion of the world. Get in there, Lewis What a way to do it, mate But Ferando Alonso's career is one of what ifs. Several times he moved away from teams just before they became competitive Of course drivers don't always choose to move teams. That's where driver managers come in. They help drivers make the best move available but also help manage their lives, their schedules, their time. You've got questions about how that all works, and we've got a manager to answer them. Welcome to F one Explained Hello everybody! We have got news about our next live show at the British Grand Prix later in the episode. but hello, my name is Christian Hugill. Welcome to F one Explains and our focus today is exploring the role of an F one driver manager. They're the people who help F one drivers cope with their hugely busy lives They're also the deal makers who engineer moves from one team or another. Of course, athletes move teams in lots of sports, but the F one driver market is different because there are so few race seats. there are only twenty two forormula one drivers. Compare that with more than five hundred registered players in the NBA, more than sixteen hundred in the NFL, more than twelve hundred at the FIFA World Cup this summer So competition for those twenty two seats in F one is obviously F That's where managers come in my friends. They are a mix of advisor and agent, someone the driver trusts to make decisions. On their careers, sometimes the person the driver trusts the most is actually a relative. Lewis Hamilton's dad Anthony was his manager for many years Carlos Signs manager is his cousin Carlos Ooro, the ideal person to answer your questions on driver contracts and organizing a driver's life Carlos, firstly, a very warm welcome to F one exxplains. Thanks so much for taking the time to talk to us here in Barcelona, what must be a busy weekend for you? Well, first of all, thank you for inviting me. It's a pleasure to be here with you guys. and yeah, it's a busy weekend for us, but also a special one So always good to be here in Barcelona. And you are, as we said in our intro, you're Carlos's older cousin, I believe, if I have the family tree correct. So my first question normally I think with a driver manager might be, how did you get to know The driver. But of course you must have known Carlos from a very young age. prettyretty much since he was born. so that makes it easier in terms of how we met, let's say Yeah, we since we were kids really, we've always had a very close relationship. I think our family And I think this is a lot to do with Spanish culture. we stick together a lot and family is a big thing in our culture. And yeah, I've always been next to Carlos. obbviously I followed his entire career from the sidelines, let's say when he was coming up the ranks and And ye I ended up here working with him, which is great. So we know how you got to meet him. And I read a brilliant article about you, an interview you did for the Formula One official websitite, I believe it was last year. It's really good. actually we're going to put the link to that in the description of this episode in case anyone else wants to read it too And I believe from that that you did when you were young a degree in some form of business related degree. So that's, I guess where the sort of management side of your career has come from Yes, correct. I've always been a massive motorsport fan, obviously growing up and watching Garlos Sr racing in rallying and then obviously Formula one. in our home, I think Even before Fernando started winning races, I think we were one of the few households in Spain that was watching Formula One every single weekend since I can remember. So I've always been into motorsport and had a lot of passion for it. from a study point of view or from a work point of view, it was never really discussed that I would end up working with Carlos. So I did my degree in business. Stied in Uni in Spain And after that I went on to work in a big four, one of the consultancy firms for four years, then moved again, but always based on finance or finance with real estate, nothing really to do with motorsport. So there must have been a point where a conversation happens where you said to this young racing driver and your cousin and he looked at his older cousin who's got all this businessy and managementy and financy experience. how did the conversation happen Yeah, this all started in December twenty sixteen. So Carlos had already finished his second season in F one already Um, He already had a team of people working with him, but I think that togetherether with Carlos Sr, they both decided that they needed someone to be more hands on on a daily basis and and someone that could also, you stay with Carlos closely and that had also that maybe business background that could help. Um And that's when they they had an internal conversation between them and then ones they out of the list of names that they were discusing, mine came up and they offered me the opportunity Obviously I I went back home, slept on it one night, and obviously the next morning I was already confirming that I would love to work with Carlos. Always sleep on it. That's good advice though. It's something my dad always taught me. always sleep on a decision. Still you made that decision and here you are all these years later, explain what the role is. and I'm imagining you could answer this question all day, but broadly speaking, summarize the role of being driver mananager for Carlars Scis. It's funny because the way that I found it easier to describe in my job is Every that has to do with a Formula one driver except driving the car. You lean up it. That's the best summary that I can do of it. No, but I would like to say that because there are Very few Formula One drivers in the world I think that each driver has his own setup in terms of his internal team. So I cannot speak for all the managers. of the other drivers in have one because Each one might do different roles and different stuff U It's not like there's a standardized management role within F one Some drivers have one manager and a lawyer One comes people and a lawyer, a manager that does everything. In my particular case, I think I am involved in in pretty much everything, I would say And not only the sporting side, but also the commercial side. comes Even personal stuff that I help Carlos obviously with his daily life away from the truck. So I'm pretty much involved in in everything. And then obviously we've got a team of people specialize people for Social media comes lawyers, fiscal advisers, all that stuff. But in the end there's like I like to see myself a bit like that Director of the orchestra, Yeah sure, sure. But every decision is made by Carlos ultimately In modern Formula One, these drivers are their own big brands now. I think one of the things that surprised me most when I started working in the sports because I was a fan growing up, but now I'm working in it was just how busy they are, how much travel, the time in the simulators, the time at the factory I guess they must need somebody to like you somebody like you to do things that we don't even think about bank accounts, making sure they've got a food schedule, you know, these drivers would have to do life Amin that We all know if we're busy with work, how difficult that life admin can be and boy are these guys busy? The schedule, the full schedule of a forormula onene driver is insane. I actually have a summary of the summary of the schedule so that I can check it with Carlos quickly because if we go into the detailed one that goes prettyretty much minute by minute. If you see the schedule for example, of a Grand Prix weekend It's insane the level of detail that it gets so that's why we have like a broader calendar where we see things quicker when I check it with him U But yeah, if you start adding up twenty four race weekends plus the testing, plus other tests that you can do with TPC cars or older cars Then you start adding all the marketing days that you need to do for the team marketing days that you need to do for Personal sponsors, show, interviews And obviously, These guys are still athletes and one of the main things that you need to put into the calendar is some some time to recover And also train, which is super important. Absolutely. And I'm asking the question conscious that we do only have a half an hour interview based on your previous adswer, but what does a typical Grand Frix weekend look like for you? And I'm imagining it's busyier here at Carlos' home race. his home race. I guess that he's got two home races this year. Nowadays I think A race week starts on a Wednesday normally with marketing activities that happen either at the track or close to the track. whether it's a filming studio or someplace in the city center with a sponsor or just filming or shooting Then Thursday is when we come to a track for the first time Um The day starts early with a lot of interviews, a lot of engineering meetings And then we also reserve like an hour or an hour and a half for exercise at the end of the day Normally Carlos, you will see him nowadays cycling a lot around the track. Yes. But if it's not cycling, we would go back to a hotel or find a gym and do do obviously a bit of training on the Thursday afternoon Then Friday starts always with a good breakfast and mobility exercises and then we got to a track and Fridays are more straightforward normally unless it's a spring weekend that gets a bit more hectic. L in Barcelona here, which is a normal normal race week. It's more about the engineering stuff. Let's say that all the comps and the commercial stuff is thew way on Thursday And from Friday onwards is more based on on the performance side of things. You still do what Carlos does meet and gads interviews, things like that, but it's let's say that all of party is done primarily on Thursdays. I usually run the track in the evenings at race weekends. I can't at the moment I' got an Achilles injury. But still. hereere we go We the exccuses. Yeah this is it. I know I know. That is why I'm not a top level athlete. But there are three drivers you always see running the track in the evenings. Ollie Beermman Cycling the track, I should say. Ollie Beermman, Valterri Botas and Carla Siner. You always see a little cycling club. you always see those three bombing in the lapabs. Yeah. How do you make sure Parlos hasn't got too much to do because you mentioned how busy it is, I guess it's up to you to find that line Yeah, there's obviously, after many years working with him, I think I do understand the do's and don'ts that he prefers And I know more or less the gaps that he doesn't mind being buser and the gaps that he normally needs to be left alone and not do Um anything Having said that I do a lot of the work on the background working with the team on the schedule and whoever is involved in the schedule But then I also make sure that he gets a look at it before I finally confirm anything so that he's happy And normally we tend to agree But I must have there must have been times where I miss something and he points it out and then we reorganize a bit the whole schedule, That's more or less how it works. I appreciate there'll be things you don't want to share with us and of course, don't share those things. but are there any non negotiables? thingsings that you've learned that are things that Carlos really likes or really doesn't like when you're setting up those sorts of schedules? There is one thing which is between FP three and Qali You don't put any interviews or any meat and gres with sponsors on anything That's a golden thing that I can share with you guys because I'm pretty sure that every other driver will also ask for that their schedule. But between FP three and Cali, that's a bit of a sacred time for cardless for him to either Eden relax in his room or Eden go to see his engineers. So it's just for him and for performance. We've spoken a lot about at race weeekends. In just a couple of moments we're going to talk about away from the track or away from race weekends, but you mentioned that you've got that degree in business Podcasting is a big business too, which is why we must go for a commercial break Back to school starts now Get long lasting battery life on the Dell XPS laptop powered by Sies three Intel Core, so you can work from anywhere Now starting at six hundred and ninety nine dollars with exclusive student pricing starting at five hundred and ninety nine dollars And it's lightweight, portable, and packed with enough processing power to make multitasking a breeze So say goodbye to distractions and hello to more free time because you finished your work faster Complete your setup with savings on select monitors and more must have electronics and accessories. Limited time deals and free shipping on PC's and more await you at deell dot com forward slash deals Dell. com slash deals. Granger knows, when you're a procurement manager for an office park You're not managing one building. you're managing all of them And to stay ahead, you need to see through walls and around corners Light's about to fail, filters ready to clog, HBack on its last leg. If you wait until something breaks, you're already behind Count O on Granger for quality products, easy reordering, and twenty four seven support Call one eight hundred Granger, click Granger. com or just stop by Granger For the ones who get it done. we're back to Carlos Noro in a moment, but now I want to tell you about our next live show at the British Grand Prix at Silverstone. We'll be on the main stage in the F one fan zone on Saturday morning at ten twenty with special guest the nineteen ninety six, formerera one worldorld Champion Damon Hill, of course, British Grand Prix winner F one leegend, huge character and personality. I'm a big fan of Daamon Hill, can't wait to do a live show with him. Our first live show with Daamon, I think, that' would be fun If you'll be there, send us a question for Damon. we might be able to make you part of the show. F one explains at f one. com pleas is the email address. F one exxplains at f one dot comot Saturday the fourth of july ten twenty at the British Grand Prix If you're not there, you'll hear the show right here very soon afterwards. all the details are in the episode description. And by the way This Fon exxplains fans. If you're at Silverston on the Thursday of the British Gb Prix, there's another event you can go to. I'm calling it Producer Chris live This isn't a joke F one sometimes invites people who work in the sport to do things on a stage at a race and the ask producer Chris to talk about making podcasts And why wouldn't they? This is excellent for the prodducer Chris brand. It really is. I'm hoping I can be his agent. So that's the drivers in stage on Thursday the second of july at two thirty in the afternoon. Oviously two thirty in the afternoon. two hundred thirty'd be a bit of a graveyard slot if it was the morning, wouldn't it? I have a quote here from prodroducer Chris. He says, I'm not expecting anyone to come, but it'd be nice to see you if you do banners are encouraged autographs and selfies are available afterwards slightly worried he's letting this get to his head. So for that reason, that'sough livehowews. Let's get back to the episode Welcome back to F one Explains. I'm Christian Hugge, and this week we are discussing the role of driver Managers with Carlos Signs, dririver manager, Carlos Noro Carlos we've spoken a lot before the break about what happens at the track and on race weekends, how much contact do you have with Carlos away from the track? Because there must be some downtime, but equally, we've mentioned how busy they are. So how much communication do you have with Carlos away from race weekends? It's a good question, There's no straight answer because I think it Bs have been on on whether we are between races or not or if there's the summer break or the winter break. So it does change a bit I would say not daily becausecause I also give him some space to breathe. I cannot be all over him on a Monday after a race, for example, that's a bit of a day where we know it's for him to reset and recharge batteries after the entire race weekend But apart from Monday, Yeah, I would say daily, we still even if it's not a call We do WhatsApp quite a lot and He likes to be aware of everything that is going on around his life. So you we're pretty much would maybe dily too much, but every couple of days for sure we are in touch. We were talking before we started recording that we'd had a real flurry of emails around the role of driver managers. F one exxplained to f one. com by the way, if you're listing would like send us a question I speculated that possibly one of the reasons we'd had this influx was because you played a role in the last series of Trive to Svive. and we were aware a lot of our listeners love Tve to Svive, which is fabulous. We welcome people into F one in anyway A massive part of why you popped up so much was A certain move where Carlos moved from Ferrari to Williams because a certain Louis Hamilton mo to Ferrari, which let's just just say shock up the Formula One world How did you navigate that? When it first comes into you, you must think, Okaykay, we've got a lot to do here. Just talk us through how that was handled Yeah, I think well first When we learned about it, it was a shocker. That's no secret. and I think that Carlos has explained that many times in a lot of interviews that it came as a bit of a shock And I think it also caught everyone by surprise because we all thought that Louis had a contract with Mercedes and I don't know his contract, but for sure there were some sort of claoses there. should exit the contract or that's my understanding of the situation. So nobody was expecting that move That's at the beginning, as I said, a bit of a shocker But then the following day, you already start U like I always say like setting out the chessboard and and placing all the pieces and starting to think of what can happen and the different strategies and who you need to talk to and in what order It's not the same thing to speak to this team first if you don't have information from that other team. So before you start ic up the phone and doing meetings and so on we like to do as a team alsoso with Carlos Sr because he's also very present in when it comes to F one contracts to have a good sit down and a good chat and discuss about it and how we're going to go aboutb the strategy basically of how we're going to face the situation And from there, You start organizing meetings and trying to get as much info as possible. It's been widely reported that Carlos had other options other than just Williams, and of course he would do. he's a race winner. he's a phenomenal forormula O driver. What we saw in Drive to Survive was a lot of you talking to the likes of James Val's team Pincipal of Williams, of course he signed for Forgive my question, but how much of what we saw on Drive to Svive was real Of course being a television program, sometimes things will be shot for the purpose of telling a story and that's completely understandable. But were you right early on going out to talk to other teams when it became obvious that Carlos was, you know going to be moving? Were you chatting to James? How do you manage all of that? Yeah, conversations were constant, let's say, seince February up until he signed the contract Because the way I see it is that our job as His management team is not to decide for him, is to put all available options on top of the table with the best contract possible in each case And ultimately he's the one that decides what he wants to do with his future and If he wants my opinion, I would give it to him But in my head, my role is just to make sure that I've done my job in the sense that I've explored every single thing that can be explored and and negotiated every single comm out of a contract to put it in front of him and he can take the best decision with the best information. If you'll allow me a little personal observation, I've been a fan of Formula One since the nineties. I've been working in it for three or four years now I don't remember a more amicable driver move Carlars leaving Faring going to Williams. Of course there have been tense conversations along the way. I'm not naive to that. But I also then think back to a moment in Abu Dhabi at the end of last season where McLaren had won the Cstructor' Championship and I was stood outside McLaren And Carlos came in and I took a picture and put it on social media that Carlos had come in to congratulate Landa to congratulate the team. It went wild on social media with people saying, isn't that lovely of Carlos That doesn't strike me as coincidence that there seems to be that warm relationship with Ferrari, with McLaren, another one of Carlos's former teams Am I right? Is that something you've tried to do with Carlos and his career with sort of not burning bridges options open maybe for the future. Yeah, one hundred percent. I think that That is a bit the way we go about things as a team When I say as a team, I'm including obviously Carlos himself, of course, but also senior again because I think that There's a big role played by all three of us together when it comes to F one contract. And I think that the philosophy has always been the same since they won, which is Be straightforward with everyone be honest about what we're doing, not to play stupid games that can then turn back on you and Garlos has a way of going about bo and the way he works with them that in the end lives I don't want to put it as leaving a door open for the future, but it is true that Every time he has left a dm, he has done it in a in a way where he's left good relationships, good bridges U And that brings value in the end for the career of an athlete. And Carlos has been very intelligent in doing so And I think that the way we've been going about contracts from our point of view has always been the same and with that straightforward philosophy. I've got a couple of questions our leners I mentioned the email address F one explains F one. comot A couple of questions on this from Chris in Canada. Hi Chris. Chris says Hi Christian, I've been an F one fan since I was a young kid watching Jacques Villeve win the World Championship. That was nineteen ninety seven My question is around driver contracts. Unlike other sports, drivers will sign new contracts for the next season during the current season, For example, as we've been discussing Louis Hamilton signing with Ferrari for twenty twenty five ahead of the twenty twenty four season. So of course, if we cast our minds back It was announced that Lewis Hamilton was join Ferrari in twenty twenty five before the twenty twenty four season had even started, he'd still got another year to do with Mercedes Chris goes on to say, whyy can drivers sign with a new team while still under contract with a current one? Has this always been the case in F one Or is this more of a modern day thing? Love the podcast and learning about all the different things from people so closely involved in the sports. Thank you very much, Chris. That's a lovely question. Great question, isn't it Carlos? Yeah, good question. Yeah yeah. I think it's an interesting one And I think that Its My answer is a bit the same as when I said that every driver has their own structure and their own team. when it comes to contract There's a million things you can put in a Formula onene contract. So there's no one contract that looks the same as the other. And depending on the situation, power of negotiation that you might have one year to the other, which might change. you are able to introduce clauses that In other scenarios, you are not allowed to and the same goes for the teams, you know There's there's no real standard contract, I would say. Maybe for some clauses, of course there are , but the juicy part of the contracts, let's say, are always different and will always depend on on them situation that the driver is had in that moment. And I think to add on if I may to answer Chris's question a little bit from my perspective and please do correct me if I'm wrong, you know more about this than me. But also it depends on cultures of different sports. I'm a big socceran, big football fan. you more often than not in that case, see I nearly said driver, a player being bought out of a contract. and for example, somebody joined Barcelona to join Real Madrid, that wouldd be a controversial one. But that happens then there's not too much of an advanance notice. But in Formula one, it's always just worked a bit differently. The culture of the sport is a little bit different where people tend to nowadays it's quite rare, isn't it that a driver gets to the end of the season, it tends to mean if they don't know what they're doing at the end of one season, they're probably not going to be there in the next one. There are exceptions to that, but I think it's just the culture of this sport, isn't it? that it tends to work a little bit further in advance. off course, I think there are two things. Obviously the way the sport works, as you said is one of those factors. And then I think that it's the how everyone wants to go about it.. It's true that obviously I have no clue about other sports because I've only been involved in F one so far. but When you look at the movies in from Hollywood and you know they they picture an NFL player or a baseball player Yeah getting sat down in front of the GM and telling him you are going to be transferred and you know, the player has no clue about it. I don't know that happens like that my experience of working in football, it really does happen like that. It really does. my experience is working We have a lot of American listeners. My experienceces working in soccer, donon't shout at me English people or football. I don't know about NFL and American football, but yeah, that is definitely how it works in English football. that could never happen here. At least in our case, there is no way or there's no universe in which I would go to Carlos and say, oh, by the way, next year you're driving for this team. Congrats. That doesn't work. Oh God. Exactly, no, no I think in our particular case, Carlos is informed along the way of every conversation, of every negotiation, even though he might not be part of it because obviously he has to raise Yeahah,' It's an important job, isn't it? And the contracts are discussed throughout the season So he needs to be focused on on the racing, of course But that doesn't mean that he's not informed of every step that we are taking. and He's very much part of the strategy and the next steps that we are taking. So in every one, I don't think It works like other sports And I don't know, I cannot speak obviously for other drivers, but I know that Garlos likes to be informed. course He lik to be part of it It's his career. it's his ultimate decision. So The better informed he is, the better decision he can take. We had a really similar question actually from Nell from Cumbriw in the UK. She said a driver is allowed to speak with their new team and be involved with plans for the future before they join or they shut out of conversations both sides to stop other teams learning potentially important information. I guess there is an element of keeping talks confidential, but it sounds like from what you're saying, Carlos You know, your Carlos in this situation would be aware of those talks. It's a good question because you do need to understand project of the team that you are in theory moving to before you take that decision. So When you're speaking to teams They definitely need to explain to you What's the plan? What's their strategy? How do they see their team evolving in the upcoming two, three years So they do need to share that information with you because if not How am I going to choose that team if I have no clue of what they're thinking for the future But at the same time, they are wary that you might not sign for them, so they cannot give out much too much information. So it's a fun game where you need to read between the lines of it as well and and you know, make the most of what each team is telling you to then obviously make the decision. And of course, another part of Nell's question, Carlos was about once that contract is signed. you know, once Carlos has signed for Williams, but is still racing for Ferrari. How much is he involved in conversations with Ferrari? because there might be certain information that they don't want Williams to know for the following season? Can they talk with other teams at that point? it's a minefield, isn't it? It's a very good point actually. and And it's a weird, a bit of a weird situation really because you are You're racing for a team until December But you know already since the summer break that following year, you're going to be in another team. So I think that At least what Carlos does, his ultimate respect for the team that he's driving for until the end of his contract So in the case of twenty twenty four, he gave absolutely everything for Ferrari. until the last race and the last checker flat And doeses the team hide certain information for the driver, I guess they do. because they would not disclose absolutely everything of what is being planned for the following season to a driver that is leaving at the end of the year. But it's also in their interest that that driver performs until the end of the season. So again, it's a fine line between keeping the relationship as open as possible so that the performance is there at the highest level but also trying to keep the key points or the secrets for the following season. Carlos, I appreciate you' a busy man, We've just got a couple more than we'll let you go. but I'm fascinated by the dynamic of working within your family. I think I know a lot of people who are very, very close with their family, but maybe working with them constantly might be a bit too far. Families can bicker. Families can have arguments How is having the family dynamic with a working relationship. in I think that The biggest conversation that we had before I joined Carlos' team is that or the golden rule was that the difference between When we are working and we are at home has to be massive. L there needs to be a very thick wall between what is work and what is dntime. And I think that we've done a good job in doing that and keeping that wall differentiate both things. He knows perfectly well that when we are working, I treat him exactly the same way that I would treat my partners when I was working for a big consultancy firm back in the day But then if we are having lunch on a Sunday in August in Mallorkca, and I run out of Coke and I want another one. He's my younger cousin, you know, St up and go, St up and go get me another Cke, please. And it's funny because he does it and he laughves, you know, and that's the sort of good relationship that we have and we maintain And I think it's key to the success of working together for so many years in an environment that is Very high pressure, very intense where We travel together I think I see Carlos more than I see my wife. This which hopefully she's not listening to this podcast. She's not aware of this comment, But it is true. It's a very intense relationship. And if you don't set the rules and you respect your own rules can get very tough very quickly And also, we've spoken a lot about how this is for Carlos, but this isn an intense role for you Managing a formula O driver to travel Being away from home so much What are your favorite parts of the job? What are the trickiest parts of the job? and how do you make sure that you have downtime as well as making sure that your driver has downtime? You need to sleep as well. Yeah, obbviously it's a twenty four seven, three hundred sixty five days a year job We don't really, even Carlos, I don't think he really disconnects fully throughout the year. you always have an eye on your phone on your emails, on your WhatsApp E on social media, which of courseadays For doing my job, you cannot say enough, I'm going to delete my Instagram. Oh and es you need to be there. You need to be aware of what's going on and Having said that, of course, you then't have a family. so you do need to find a way to make it work so that you're being husband and a dad and alsouto and everyone manager, you know So it's not easy, obviously, it's a challenge. but The key for me is that You need to be passionate about what you do. And my job might seem very from the outside and very flashy and very glamorous or whatever it is that comes with F one But then obviously there's the reality of the amount of hours, the traveling the jet lag, feeling sore after a plane and having to connect to three meetings in a row. there's a lot of that going on And the key for me is that being involved with everyone, if you don't have passion for the sport and for racing There's no way in the world that you can do this job. It's impossible because it will eat you up and it will wear you out very quickly And I think that passion is what keeps us going and And without that This job would be impossible Carlos, we've been doing this podcast. This is our fourth season. This has been one of my favourite episodes we've done. I really appreciated your insight, you being so generous with your time. It's a fascinating area at Formula onene that we don't normally get to hear about. so really appreciate your time. Thank you so much for coming on F onexplains. Thank you very much for inviting me and keep going because I enjoy a lot of the podcast and I think it brings a lot of insight for the fans that otherwise it's difficult to get. Congrats and keep going. You're very kind and do one favour for us. makeake sure the next time you're at a family event and you run out of a drink, make sure Carlos goes to get it because he owes you that. He will, he will. We follow our own rules. He will. Thank you very much guys. Carlos Syes is a lovely man, he's a humble man. I think he would make you a drink. So maybe it's not just his cousin who could get away with that. Thank you too, Carlos Sonoro for speaking to us fascinating to learn more about what driver managers do. I mean what I said, that's one of my favorites we've done. he's a lovely Classy man. fromrom a very classy family with Carlos Sinst Sr, of course, the legend in his own right Caross and Carlos all the Carlosses, it's going to be very interesting to see what happens in the F one driver market. It tends to go in waves. We have quieter ones, but that doesn't often last. I think there's going to be quite a few driver moves this winter and now we know a little bit about how those negotiations work. We love meeting people like managers who work away from the on track action in F one exxplains. So if there's anyone else you'd like to hear from An F one job you want to know more about Eailers F one explains at f one. com. U speaking of emails I say it a lot. This is our fourth season doing this podcast genuinely think I've had the most listener interaction in terms of my personal social media, my Instagram, my TikTok And also the podcast's email address Fone explained to fone d. com After the last episode, where we toured Audi's shiny new hospitality unit And everything went very well. Producer Chris has written here until we got to the kitchen. I still think it went well even in the kitchen As someomebody called Erites, Christian, I'm a new listener a big fan