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Look out, it's only films to be buried with a rewind classic. Hello and welcome to Films to Be Buried with. Rewind Classic My name is Brett Goldstein. I'm a comedian, an actor, a writer, a director, a wait, and I love films. As Roy T. Bennett once said, Pursue what catches your heart, not what catches your eyes. But on the other hand, do go see Dungeons and Dragons on her among thieves, 'cause it's really delightful. It's actually fantastic. Fair enough, good point. Roy T. Bennett, well done. Every week I invite a special guest over, I tell them they've died, then I get them to discuss their life through the films that meant the most to them. Previous guests include Barry Jenkins, Kevin Smith, Sharon Stone, and even Cred Blambles. But this week it's the brilliant comedian, actor Writer, novelist and movie star, it's Andy Osho. Head over to the Patreon at patreon.com forward slash Brett Goldstein where you get an extra twenty minutes of chat with Andy. We talk about secrets, we talk about beginnings and endings. You also get the whole episode uncut and as a video. Check it out at patreon.com forward slash Brett Goldstein. Andy Osho is amazing. I love this episode so much. She was a brilliant comedian. Started out around the same time as me. She left comedy or certainly took a break from it to go on an amazing journey. She makes huge decisions for her mental health and for her life and for her spiritual growth. You'll hear all about it on the episode. I think she's fucking brilliant. She's an incredible actor, she's a movie star, she's all of it. Anyway, this episode's amazing. We recorded it on Zoom. It was so lovely to talk to her, and I really think you're gonna love it. So that is it for now. I very much hope you enjoy episode two hundred and forty-two of Films to Be Buried with. Hello and welcome to Films to Be Buried With. It is me, Brett Goldstein, and I am joined today by an actor, a writer, a novelist, a screenwriter, an award winner, a stand-up collegian. International liberer. A a woman, a hero, a legend, a rising star, and a soaring heights. She's here, she's real, can you believe it? I can. I'm looking at She's on the show. Please welcome. It's Andy Show. Oh my gosh, what I mean, can can that be the whole show? Just that introduction. I mean that's it. And then just like we we'll send out a PDF of a list of films or something. Like that. I mean, I'm done. That's not a bad idea. A little PDF. I mean no one cares about the film bit. How are you, Andy Ushe? I'm very well, thanks, Brett Goldstein. How are you? I'm good. Now I'm in LA. You're in England. We're recording this on Zoom. I've got so many things to ask you, big things, because you, if I may say, are fascinating. Yeah, I said it. Oh wow, it's out there. Yeah, the truth is out. And I sometimes think of you, if I may, sort of like you're the George Harrison of uh the UK comedy scene. Like I think you started in in comedy, you like soared away huge news started TV, you know, and then it seemed it looked like you left it all to go on a spiritual quest. And I and I love that and I'm so fascinated by it. And and then you suddenly I suddenly saw you in a horror film, an American horror film turned up in with a perfect American accent. I was like, Wow, what's happened? But then a spiritual quest came out, a horror. Horror icon. What can we talk about this? And then you're like, no. I mean who are you? What a life. Right. But there's actually three of us. That's the bit. Yeah. I'm one of three triplets. I mean that's how triplets come uh anyway, isn't it? But um That's really funny. That that's that's what it looked like from the Yeah. To me, I I haven't discussed I haven't checked in other people that's But I was always fascinated because you were so I'm interested in people who are naturally very good at something and do very well, who then decide it's not making them happy I assumed it didn't make you happy or something was missing in it. And it's so interesting. Yeah, that's exactly right. I mean, you know, I I started as an actor and then I said to myself, like I wasn't getting any love. kind of from the industry. I mean I was a bit, I was getting auditions, but I wasn't like landing any role. So I was like, what can I do that will let me have a bit more control, that I'm not waiting for someone else's approval before I can do the thing that I love. And then that's how I got into stand up. And I think when I started, I don't know about you, but I felt like it was a bit of a game. I was enjoying the game of it. Like, oh, that joke didn't work. What can I do to make it work? Ooh, that worked. And then I move that and like it was almost like this really interactive puzzle almost. And and so so I yeah, so I really enjoyed it in the early days. And I remember the first I got paid and I was like, oh, oh. This has changed everything. Cause now I'm Yeah, 'cause now there's a contract. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? It's not about my puzzle. You can't lose the game. No, exactly. Exactly. No, I've been paid to win this. Yeah. And I and I remember going around going, Oh, you know, I think that's me, I'm out. This is like about six months in. And you know was like you're not you you you clearly love it. So you know you're not gonna you're not gonna tap out now. And then I kept going and then it just it just blew up. Like I mock the week was the first thing that they were really the first people that backed me in a any meaningful way that sort of got me out there. And then it sort of It's almost like that was the endorsement that other producers needed to go. Oh no, we were gonna uh have you on our show before, but we always said Yeah So then it yeah, it just sort of snowballed and then I realised only recently that it was actually only a couple of years that I was doing all the panel shows and the Apollo's and all that. And then around about the start of two thousand twelve. So my first mock the week was beginning of two thousand ten. And then round about two thousand twelve I was like, man, I'm unhappy. Yeah. Like and that was probably because that year I did my second live at the Apollo. I did, you know, a couple of mock the weeks probably and you know, a bunch of other stuff. But I I I've never been more d I mean, that was the worst bout of depression I I've ever had. And I I have had it before. And uh yeah, so I I did basically what you said and I I I took myself away and just had a little think about What do I really want? Because there was this big chasm opening up between who I was on stage. I even refer to her in the third person sometimes of like who that person is and who I am. The gap was getting bigger. I didn't dress like her. I didn't talk like her. I didn't, do you know what I mean? She was she was just someone I not only did I not recognize, but I just I didn't have the energy to. be her anymore, do you know what I mean? So yeah, can I ask you, was that like in terms of your sort of consciousness of it? Was it like you were just busy, busy, busy, busy, busy, and then like one thing happened and you were like, Fuck I'm unhappy? Or was it actually you were feeling consciously unhappy for a long time? It was more like it was a growing sense of something, but I didn't name it. And then actually I I I was on a course and I it's sort of like a well being course kind of thing and I came out of the other end of it. Everyone else is kind of euphoric at the end of this thing and I was literally in despair. And to the point where the facilitator kind of called me called me in and he was just like, What's up? Because you know, he was so used to people leaving this place or leaving this like weekend program in quite a sort of altered state and just like different perspective on the world. Now it's just like Uh, I think I might just I think I might be done with living. You know, that so it was like it was really it was really bad. I had to stop working actually. And um I had gigs booked in and and actually I was gonna do you remember that um they don't do it anymore, but that channel four. Great Almond Street. Yeah, like a million comedians. Um I was booked in to do that. I was like I can't do it. I yeah, it was like everything out of the diary because I was in such a yeah but it wasn't like I just it wasn't a hard was more like I it sort of petered out. So I came to the States, or went to the States, should I say. I went to the States and I still did some I was still doing gigs, but I had this feeling like I was coming, I was running out of road, as far as I was concerned. Because you know what it was, Brett? It was that I realized that I what there was more to me than I was. Being a I don't want to say allowed to do, but there was more to me than I could share through just being a stand up. Do you know what I mean? Like creatively, there was more that I had to offer. So I just felt like that that's the end of that journey for now. It's not like I'll never go back. Maybe I will, maybe I won't, but it felt like at that point there wasn't any more that I could do. I mean, I I was talking to, you know, Luke Tilson. He said, Well, you basically caught the game and then you got out. And it's kind of it's been a bit it's like, what what more can I 'cause no one, you know, at that time. And even still it was very difficult for somebody like me, a woman, a black woman like that. to get their own vehicles. So you ended up in loads of other people's vehicles. But there's only so many of those that you can do before you're just it's it can be quite unsatisfying, do you know what I mean? Like constant the the whole panel show carousel can get quite quite sort of frustrating if you feel like there's more that I could give than is than being allowed to to sort of express. Can I give you a theory that I have about Yeah, please. Well I wonder if particularly 'cause you were sort of picked young, as it were, as in fairly new and it was like she's good, we should we should put her on TV that often T V comics What happens in sort of mainstream Tv comedy, I think, is that personas, comedy personas become two dimensional because it's much easier to do in a in five minutes, in three minutes in a in a one night here's the grumpy one, like Jack D, he's the grumpy one. There's Michael McIntyre, he's the push one. Like it's just you reduce that person to a sort of one attitude that is funny and great, but on T V they become often reduced to bite size Mr. Man character, you know what I mean? And and if you were early on funneled into this. You you were a person and then you were like, No, you're a TV coach. Can we reduce you to you're this and this and that's it. Yeah. And maybe that's where you felt This isn't me. I want to express all this stuff. And I do belie stand up is an art form where you can express everything, but not in Broad mainstream TV. It's Almost impossible. It's so rare to I can't really think of an example where you go, that was a really complicated You know what I mean? Like a really fascinating character we just met. It's more like that was the angry one. That was the the silly one. That was the you know what I mean? That's really, really wise. Yeah, I I I can really see that as well. And I used to have these sort of sort of fantas Daniel Kitson type fantasies that oh one day maybe I could just write a show about what I'm thinking and feeling and not be censored or feel any and then I go, No, you got you know I mean? 'Cause I I I I'd almost gaslit myself. into thinking, oh I I have to do all these things. I have to do the panel shows. I have to do all these silly kind of panel show pilots that were really sometimes quite not humiliating, but like not gratifying really in any way. Because I told myself I had this belief that that was what I was supposed to be doing, do you know what I mean? But actually it taking myself away made me realise, oh I can uh I can do whatever I want. There might be a cost as in, you know, financially or intensive, I don't know, career progression or status or whatever, but Sometimes for your mental health that cost is in fact always for your mental health that cost is worth paying. Amazing, Andy. So can you can you tell me a bit about the positive second half of that story of like going on your spiritual quest? Like at at what point were you like, Oh, I'm starting to feel like this is Yeah, so how you yeah, going. So I guess those years in LA and I was sort of coming back to the UK and I got myself a little kind of career coach who was talking me through my experiences 'cause it was very it looks like I went off You know, and and then came back and and got all these like cool fun roles and things. But actually there was a lot of soul searching, a lot of like I I remember having like styles with my mom of like and saying to her I know I'm meant to be here, but I don't know why. But more tears than that. She you know, is she desperate for me to come home because it's just like, Well if you don't know if you don't know why you're there or whatever, if you haven't And you're crying. Maybe that's not where you should be, but I just knew that I should be. And actually looking back, what I realised the time was about was about shedding things that shackles basically that were holding me back creatively, finding my confidence to call myself an artist. I would have been embarrassed to say that at the time that I I left, you know what I mean? And like explore the things that were creatively interesting. to me rather than what I felt like I should be doing because that was the opportunity that had been placed immediately in front of me. And yeah, just r releasing myself from any burden to be something that I thought other people thought I should be. So coming uh home as it were, in uh sort of literal sense, but figuratively as well. It wasn't like I was flush with work when I was in the States. And in fact I did work in the UK to sort kind of bankroll the experience. Um but at the end of it I realized that what I'd gained is a real confidence and belief in myself and my ability to do the things that I knew would light me up rather than the doing things that I felt like I should. And that was a bigger gift than if I had workloads, actually. You're a fucking hero. Do you do you do you have a sort of practice? I mean, I I guess what I'm asking is like do you have like a routine because you seem, you know you seem wonderful. As if you seem very happy and positive and and you seem in a very good place. Is it Constant work. But in that play as in do you do you do things like I meditate every morning, I work out like what do you have a thing or are you just generally I feel much better? I think it uh to say I have a practice would be generous to myself. It's more like, but you know, someone said something to me once about, you know, just beginning again. Cause people like if they wanna say they wanna start working out, they'll go. And then it might peter out and they'll think, Oh, I failed. I failed at going to the gym because I'm no longer going. You just begin again. And that is what it is. It's not, it's not necessarily a constant. So my practices are all beginning again. I start meditation and I go, This is it, this time, this is the one. This is where you catch me doing it ever. Morning. And then after a month, I'm out. And then I start again and I forgive myself for that falling and then I kind of think of other things as meditation, like I journal. And that amazing Yeah, so as a writer I realised that actually maybe sitting still with my own noisy brain isn't the best way for me to meditate. And I've realise that maybe writing, but doing it in a conscious way, maybe that can be my meditation. And and as long as you're bringing consciousness to it, then it can be a form of like quieting the brain and or listening to the observing the movement of the mind. And that's really what meditation is. It's not about sitting in silence or or your brain going quiet. That's impossible 'cause of just biomechanics or whatever, but like or neuromechanics. But like just observing it that can give you just that slither of distance that you can Be with your thoughts rather than be them. So that's yeah, so that's the practice. Well being, you know, like I don't drink as much as I used to. I have I like a glass of wine every now and again, but not a cana basically, like I have been. And eating well. You know, all the cliches, but accumulatively they make such a difference. I feel like I'm observing for my mental health. It just makes a huge difference. And and I've seen the cost of not looking after myself in those respects. So that that's really all it is. It's a personal thing of like Does this cost me to not look after myself in these areas? If you can get away with it, then please have at it. Live your life on my behalf. You know what I mean? But like for the most part because of the way humans are built, we Really, not for a long period of time. Oh hello, it's your neighbor Maureen here. You know, for something we all use constantly, the internet can be surprisingly chaotic. One minute you're booking a holiday, the next you've clicked something dodgy and suddenly you feel like you ought to apologize to your laptop. That's why I use NordVPN. It encrypts your internet traffic, which means all your browsing, streaming and general, poking about stays private. Just a lovely bit of peace and quiet for your digital life. I also love this part. When you're travelling, NordVPN lets you connect to a server back home so you can still access your favorite streaming services wherever you are. Which frankly feels essential. I'm all for adventure, but not at the expense of losing my programs. To get the best discount off your NordVPN plan, go to NordVPN.com forward slash Brett. Our link will also give you four extra months on the two year plan. There's no risk with Nord's thirty day money back guarantee. The link is in the podcast episode description box. Thank you. Handy I'm sorry. I I forgot to tell you something and it's so annoying because Oh god, as long as it's not something silly like a dodge or something like that, that'd be Um Well uh shit. Well it it actually Oh done Oh done. Oh my God, I is a good thing. I know and you meditate in general and you work out, but you die. Oh God. I thought if I made noises over you saying it, it wouldn't be real, but it is real. Dead. Dead. Hate it. How did you die? I don't think it'll be a health related thing and uh here's why. I think I think it'll be I'm clumsy in a way where the thing escalates really quickly. Like I could be at one end of the bathroom and drop something and somehow it ends up in the toilet. Do you know what I mean? Like it's like I don't have a lot of accidents, but they're always like kind of low-key spectacular like that. Like literally just before we started recording, I tipped over a glass, whole glass of water and it started spilling over the edge of the table into a socket. Of course there's an electrical socket immediately underneath the table. So it'll probably be some domestic related accident, like an electrocution or falling off a roof or out of a window, something like that. So yeah. Would you like to pig one, Mr. Bean? You dial like Mr. Bean. Yes, I'll die silently from electrication. Okay. Uh do you worry about death? Yeah. No I do. I've I've just turned fifty, like Get the fuck out of it. Yes, mate. It's happened. Shut your face I know, we're all heading there. Shut your face. D in two months. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. you what though, it's enough make you think about life in a different way. I don't know if all fifty year olds will concur, but I had this real sense of like, oh, this is I mean, literally, this is not a drill. This is this is it now. And it's all from here on, it's about dying well. Doing the things that you really wanna do, not getting caught up with the things you don't want to do, losing the people that are no good in your life. Oh surround yourself with good folks, eating well. You know what I mean? It's not dying well. Oh my God. That hit me in the in the guts. You got me in the guts. Well you wait till you turn fifty, it's gonna be a suck a bunch in the face. Oh good. No, it's good. I'm enjoying it. Well, I mean I don't want to be that person. But you look in your twenties. Oh bless you. So whatever you're doing is great. Not electricing myself. Yeah. Hold off on that for a bit. I reckon. I reckon you got feeble in the What? Do you think happens when you die? I saw this meme that I rather like that said something like Maybe the white light at the end of the tunnel is you coming out of someone's vagina. Yeah. Love it. Straight back round. Straight back round. Maybe that's what it is. I think that is what it is, but I do think you get a little gap in the middle. Well, the gap, because it's outside of time, because obviously time is a man made construct. The gap could be infinite. The gap could be you could go somewhere else or whatever, but it's in you're in infinite, no time, no space. And then there you are, pop out again. Someone I spoke to the other day. Said that you come back three times. And I was like, I don't think that's right. I think you come back a billion times, or it's once. Yeah, when you're at three. Three seems like Yeah Well I guess rule of three. Rule of three, maybe. Maybe. Three it feels like if we're talking about the the oneness of all things, then it's gotta be none or one, really. Three feels like that belongs more in mythology rather than like. Yeah, three seems like you haven't really experienced all the things in three. I only just keep looping round and and and maybe you can take a little break and you you know I just wanna be part of the oneness for a bit and then all right, I've a that's enough and then you go back in again. I'd tell you what, that's enough oneness for a bit. Can you send me back? Exactly. Oh fuck you. You're one down. Oh, this one. Jesus. Give me some space, guys. I want to be two. I'm an introvert. Well, there is a gap. And it's called heaven. You're in it. You're welcome. We've been very excited to hear you. Yeah. See you and watch you. It's filled with your favorite thing. What's your favorite thing? Probably. Pasta. Oh, and my puppy, of course. Okay. It is filled with your puppy as if your puppy were made of pasta. So it's like a spaghetti puppy. Pretty cute. Yeah. Pretty cute, actually. Just the right temperature and uh solidity. Little pasta puppy. Yeah run around everywhere. Everyone's excited to see you. They want to talk about your life through film. First thing they ask you, it's odd. First thing they ask you is what is the first film you remember seeing at your show? I think it was some kind of Disney situation and my Feeling is it was probably the rescuers. Ooh. Yeah. Lovely. Doesn't get talked about enough. In the Disney chat. You know what I mean? You go on your Disney WhatsApp thread, which obviously I'm an olive. Rescues don't come up a lot. Good film. I mean Tell me more. I I don't remember very much about it because, you know, I must have been really young. I don't even know when it came out, but I I I was thinking about, you know, when my mum used to take us to the pictures and that, 'cause I wonder if it was just a little bit of a respite. She was a single mum, three kids. It's kind of like just just quiet for for two hours. And then and in those days, you know, there was the little short or whatever featurette that they'd have at the beginning. There'd be an intermission, ice creams and all the rest of it, and then the main event. So we could be there for half a day sort of thing. But um Yeah, I don't remember the film, but I remember being absolutely captivated by film. And I mean, later on I remember seeing Annie and Crying all the way home and being so confused that what had happened up there had hurt. my heart so much. And so I was trying to hide it. I was I remember like being in the car. And my brothers are on it. And I was like like crying out of the side of the oh my god 'cause I c 'cause I was so embarrassed, 'cause I was like, How could I have been affected by by that? Yeah, it was like a really like bewildering moment of just like it's too it why is this having this effect on me. Wow. So there's three of you. Yeah, so I've got two older brothers. Yeah. You're the youngest, though. Where was this? This would have been this would have been, I think it's called the Gemini or something like that, or Genesis. In Bow It didn't used to it was called something else, but there's a yeah, you know, like between Stepney and Like near step near one. Exactly. Yeah, yeah. I love that. Now tell me this. What's the film that made you cry the most other than Annie? Annie is a stone code classic. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Is there another and did you get better at crying or are you still horrified and embarrassed by it? Funny enough. The one that I would actually say is the film that's made me cry the most. I cried in the same way of almost like overwhelmed by my overwhelmed by my crying. And it was it was moonlight. Oh man. And what a fucking fair right. And and so I went like I got an uh an invite to a screening. So I I I didn't really know what it was. I wasn't aware of Barry Jenkins' work. And so I went and was I mean, you know, blown away doesn't even cover it. But then there was a Q<unk>A after and everybody was there. Shaly and I think I think Noah Harris was there. Obviously Barry Jenkins. And I was I remember just looking up. to try and see if I could balance the tips in my eyes. Because otherwise I was gone and I wanted to ask a question, but it would have been like, Have you got tissue? So I could So Yeah, I that I mean that was Yeah. Oh, it was almost out of body experience how moved I was by that but by that film. Because for me and I I've listened to his films to be buried with. It was like top three. Oh my God, such a great episode. And for me, Moonlight was about finding your home. And it wasn't about a place, it was about a person. And so eventually that character finds his home in the person that has been his home this whole time, but like just didn't give himself permission to to feel it to go there or you know, whatever. So yeah, I was just I don't know why that resonates so strongly for me, but it was just that. Yeah, I'm done. Oh, don't you? Um Oh. Okay. No, I can't see where that would resonate with you, having heard your story. What a strange coincidence. Yeah, okay, all right. Very good film. It was just objectively quite enjoyable. It's a good film. What about being scared? What's the film that scared you the? Well you kind of mentioned it already. I mean, apart from the obvious, I'm very susceptible Absolutely terrified. Those Mises. Oh man. Um Yeah, you mentioned it already. Well, I I was gonna say I am susceptible. So pretty much every horror film, even if it's not meant to be a horror, I'm terrified. But um one day my agent messages me and says, Oh You know, this director wants to wants you to come and read for his film. Here's a short that the film is based on. And he just sends me a YouTube link. So and it's daytime, I'm at home. And I think nothing of it. Okay, yeah, good research. Have a look at the film before I go in. So I hit play and it's the short of lights out. And have you seen it? Yeah. Oh, I haven't seen the short. The shortcuts. The short is so simple. It's basically this woman going to bed. And she turns off the light in the hall. And then at the end she just sees this figure. She turns the light back on. What the fuck was that? It's gone. She turns the light off again? The figure is moved closer. I was even now I could just my because I'm so susceptible and that is something that I do fear is like someone something. at the window or breaking in or something like that. I was done. And and to me, like proportionately, that's the the film that scared me the most because for something that's three minutes long and I couldn't even I had to push the computer away to be able to watch it. As soon as I got what the device what the conceit was. I was just like, nah, nah. So that yeah, in terms of proportion of uh, you know, length of movie to how scared I was hands up hands down, it's lights out. Well, great film. It was great. How was your meeting then when you went it were like fuck? We fuck you. I mean, yeah, it was good. He's yeah, very David is very sort of chilled out. He's uh yeah. But yeah, it was uh well, got the job, so it must have gone all right. You did very that's where that's where I was like What when I I went to Cinema and I was so excited to see it. Oh, hi, it's your neighbour Maureen. I've reached a very nice point in life where I'd rather have a few things I genuinely love wearing than a wardrobe full of unnecessary chaotic stuff. Getting dressed should be simple, not a strategic operation. That's why I keep coming back to Quints. Their pieces just make life feel easier. Clean fits, lovely fabrics, and that rare combination of comfortable and fit. I picked up the hundred percent European linen long sleeve in pinstripe and it's become my spring uniform. It's comfortable, it's light, and it's breathable. And has that perfect oversized, somehow polished feel. 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You know what I've noticed as well, I think it's films where I'm gonna say it's like toxic masculinity basically going unchecked. Because I think it's possible to make a moral film about an immoral person. But if you make an an amoral film about an immoral person, it's just like w w how is that a contribution? And it's you know, it's not my place to critique for S, but like I feel sometimes that certain Films. maybe and where where m male characters have made choices and then they go unchecked. Because you can have people you can have characters do all those dreadful things, I believe, but the film standpoint I I I resonate more if the film standpoint is but that's wrong, obviously, right? Whereas in in movies where that doesn't happen, I'm like, So what are you saying? Yeah. And so there's certain films that have been very popular. that have been that that sort of amoral film about uh an immoral character. And I've been like Guys, no, I'm sorry. I'm not into this one. Do you know what? I I'm with you. I think I'm almost completely with you, except for I went to see Wolf of Wall Street and I felt the same way you did. I was like, I don't like this film. This seems like a sort of sort of bad intention film or something like that. And then maybe a year or two later it was on TV and I just sort of started it. I I sort of flicked onto it. And I thought this film is fucking brilliant and I've totally misjudged it. It's so funny. And actually I think it is all the things. It's just clever because it kind of goes presented without comment, but they're definitely the bad guys. They're definitely, definitely the bad guys. And actually the Kyle Chandler, who is the good guy. Yeah, yeah. It's just it's actually quite subtly done in like the final moment with him having having achieved what he's set out to achieve, and yet he's just on a subway on his own, wearing shit clothes in a shit place because the system is rigged against the good people. You know what I mean? Like I was actually like this film is I think it's a brilliant film, but I really hated it the first time. I was really like, this seems like a Marley. Objectionable. And then second time I was like, Oh no, it's very clever. That's really interesting because I I feel like I sometimes don't want to believe that revisiting a film will will have you see anything different. And it's just totally not true, is it? Like you can go back to things and just go, Wow, how did I miss that? So I I'd very much like be open to revisiting it. But that was my experience at the time of watching it. I'm with you. It's also much funnier than I once I was on board with it, I was like, Oh, this is a very, very funny film. I can say But it's Yeah, it's i it it is the thing of I think he's kind of in a way he's going, I trust you, the audience. I'm not gonna spell this out. Like you tell me. You want you love this guy, you wanna be like this guy? Okay, yeah, here's all this stuff. Yeah, here's it here it is walks and all. Okay. Interesting. I'll revisit. Um because uh also uh off the back of your podcast, I did actually because Barry Jenkins's uh this was last action hero. So I I I went and 'cause I really liked that at the time that it came out. And um Yeah, I was sort of Yeah, I was surprised that it didn't get any love, but yeah. I I thought it was alright. Like it was that I was alright to leave it in like nineteen ninety five or whenever it came out. I was like, Okay, no, no, that's that belongs back there. Okay, what's about The film that you used to love, but you've watched recently and you've thought, I don't like this anymore. Maybe you've changed. Oh do you know This is gonna be a controversial one, except for I guess fans of the Big Bang Theory. But like I loved Raiders of the Lost Art. But then and I and I you know, I sometimes have a little Sunday afternoon night, you know, go and visit revisit a classic. And I watched it and I was into it at all. Oh god, I can't I can't hear this out. I know I'm so sorry. I don't even I can't even believe I'm saying it. Why? Why? I don't even want to know why. I don't I even think I can bear to say the words how I was feeling. I just they say on the big bang theory that like there's like i he doesn't advance the plot at all, isn't there some like an episode where it's like this is this really controversial has that like Harrison Ford's character doesn't actually advance the blot at all. But uh that wasn't Yeah, he makes no difference to the in the in the end. Yeah. But that's about fine, then. Yeah, I just didn't I just I'm gonna just say I didn't enjoy it. That's what it is. Well that's all we've got time for. Thank you, I think. It was going so well. It was going so well. Yeah. What is the film? means the most to you. Not because the film is good necessarily, but the experience you had seeing it will always make it meaningful to you, Andy Osha. Gosh, I could cry even just thinking of the moment, but it was uh it was it was probably yeah, it was Black Panther. Um does. Yeah, because you know, you know, there was a lot of conversation around when that movie came out about, you know, representation and how much that matters. Also the fact that it's set on the continent of Africa. But also that it you know, it it includes the diaspora in the storytelling, you know, like Killmonger's story is so it's yeah, so vital. So there was this one moment where it's quite early on in the film where Dana Gare's character comes out and she says, We're home. And then just Wakanda just opens up. And it's just I just oh it's just so that went into my soul, just that image. And just watching a movie where the scenes where everybody's black. You know what I mean? In a in a blockbuster movie, like I I think When you've been used to seeing yourself represented, the impact of Black Panther I I I think probably is It might be difficult to comprehend like how significant that was to see finally you or people that look like you represented in in that way. all powerful and brilliant and smart and sexy and strong and you know do you know what I mean? Uh and and and and having governance over their path and and making decisions for themselves without any interference or All that sort of stuff. So yeah, that was very big. That was a a very sort of powerful moment. And then that same day, so uh uh I was uh filming on something and we were on night shoots. So I I went to s I got up at about midday and I was like, Oh, what can I do in my day? We're gonna be filming I'm about six. So I was like, I went to see Black Panther and then we had a a call from production saying, Oh, you know, tonight it might be snowed off sort of thing. It might not happen, might not be filming. So we all got all the cars got together and we're like, Oh, should we go and watch a film? Uh, yeah, great. What do you want to watch? They went Shape of Water, I was like Girlby. I just wanted to watch Black Panther again. Just I mean twice in one day. Twice and I was just just as happy and sort of immersed and uh just transported the second time as much as I was the first time. That's wonderful. It was just brilliant. It's a fucking great film and I li uh yeah, everything yeah. The fact that it's also a huge fucking box office success is like answers every question that you may have. You know what I mean? What is the film you most relate to, and Dioce? See, now we're not talking about as in um a character 'cause I don't feel like there's any specific character Well for me Probably for me it's the matrix because I like I like the way you're thinking, Neo. This isn't all there is, is there? You are Neo. Well, not not quite. I mean I I I like to think that I would be Niobi, but um I I think I'm probably Cypher, you know, the one that wants to get put back into the Matrix. You know something important. Like an actor. No. You're on live at the Apollo thinking Is this it? Yeah. It must be. I love it. Exactly. Follow the white rabbit. Yeah. Oh mate. I'm one of the few people that really love all three films. I mean two not so much, but like I love them all. Four we don't talk about, but I love them all. Four is fascinating. Four I watched recently and was like, what? What a Wow. I in what way? What were your what were you Just in like uh i i in terms of it's so crazy. Right. Like I said, it's such a crazy starting point, then that all the meta still very meta. All the water brothers talk within it. No, well done. It's great. Good luck to the world. Good work. Uh it's interesting. I did think, well It's something. You made some choices. Definitely it's yeah, it's definitely not what I was expecting. No. Sabi's guy that is? Yeah. What about Sexiest? What's the sexiest film you've ever seen, eh, okay? So I took this to be not as in sex, but sexy. So outside. Ah fucking correct. Answer. One hundred percent correct answer. Yeah. I th I think that is like that's the goal. If if actors are looking for on screen chemistry, head there. And if you even get a big way. Yes. There's just I mean, obviously the filmmaking, uh, you know, i uh because the the the mood of that movie is just obviously lends itself to making it sexy, but those two actors in that situation perfect. Those two, the lighting and the soundtrack. Agreed. Yeah, it's really hot. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And the also there's a um it's a sub category. They're at the intellectual section of the show. Um Troubling bonus worrying why don't a film you found arousing that you weren't sure that you should. Yeah, I mean I wanna I wanna help out with this one. I wanna I wanna be a useful contributor. There's nothing. I I I think that I have a a response to the things that are meant you know I mean? Like there's nothing. Yeah. I don't watch the rescuers and feel anything, is basically what I'm saying. Yeah. You're saying never had a worrying word. Or the why does were pure. Yeah, they were the source material was appropriate to the response. That's what I'm saying. Uh that's what you're sticking with. Okay. Okay. So rescue his time under nothing. Nothing. No, nothing. Nothing. I couldn't even think because you know, I mean guys have got Jessica Rabbit and I and I and I kinda get that. Do you know what I mean? But like there isn't there isn't an equivalent for women. Or for you know, for a straight woman there's not a there's not a I don't know. Heyman, Hercules? No. Yeah, yeah. I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No. Unbelievable. What is objectively, of course. The greatest film of all time. No, it's not, and I've only watched it the once, but I'm gonna say The Godfather Two. Yeah. Why? Why are you throwing that out? Well, I just remember finishing that film. It's just like wow, that had subtitles and I really enjoyed it. That must be good. Um I mean I watched I went through this the Nero phone and so obviously that was sensual viewing. But yeah, I couldn't I couldn't get on with the old, you know, cotton wool in the mouth and the Godfather thingy. That really took me out of it. But Godfather too was kind of just had every element of storytelling, but also performance in there that you that you would want. And I felt like but uh but but weirdly I didn't want to watch it again. And that's that's often the way, isn't it, with the really great films is like you like Ciz and Kane, I I I we watched at college and Have never felt inclined to revisit it. Yeah, that's interesting. Casablanca saw it again. We watched it at college. It's like that was. Great. You know, Shawshack Redemption ten times before I will ever watch that again. I think it's easily like long, depressing ones, I think. Yeah, we did that. Yeah, we we made it. At some point there were two sets of footprints in the sand, but is the film that you could all have watched the most over and over again. Oh that's easy. That's Aliens. Ah, nice answer. That hasn't come up in a very long time. Oh wow Yeah, and you're right. At school everyone was watching Aliens all the time. Well didn't again, it's kind of horror essentially. So I I I couldn't have but when I was doing my I did an H and D and like Pro T V and film and stuff and um The lecturer had us watch Aliens. Or maybe alien. Anyway, I was hooked. I don't know why. This is a perfect store for me. This is everything I've got. Marines, jokes, there's guns. Aliens. It was brilliant. I just uh and and I kind of almost prefer aliens to aliens. Yeah, I I'm you know, a James Cameron fan, I guess. So yeah, I've watched that so many times. I mean, literally like it would be a ritual. I'd go out on a Saturday night with my mates, and then we go around his house and then we on a Sunday would Probably what you determine it to most likely aliens. and be mumbling incorrectly usually the the lines along with them. I just love it. That's great. That's great. Do you like your way of water? Are you happy with your way of water? James Cameron fan. Yeah, um I yeah, I thought It was alright, actually. I I I didn't mind it at all. I mean, I don't think Avatar Avatar's not the one for me. I didn't mind this too. Many stuff. It's not my favourite of his staff. I I really like Titanic. I think that's great. I like aliens and Two Terminator a bit, but Terminator feels very much like alien. in the sense of spare. Whereas you know, obviously two is all gunsy. Much more gunsy. Yeah. It is the very cansy, actually. My weekend. We don't like to be negative, uh spiritual all to all the spiritual work we've done. But here we are. What's the worst film you ever saw? I mean, there is every possibility, 'cause I only watched it the once, there is every possibility that it's not as bad as I thought it was at the time, but there's a film called The Other Sister. Where it's it's I think it's sort of like maybe early nineties or late eighties. And it's oh, what's the actor's name? Giovanni Rabisi and uh Juliet and Juliet Lewis. And they're playing two people who fall in love, but they have learning difficulties. And so there's the issue for me. Hm. Yes. And it's directed by Gary Marsha. Yes, yes, yes, yes. So they both they both have learning difficulties in it. Yeah. Okay, And actually I watched the trailer recently to just 'cause I was like, was it as offensive as I And um the joke wasn't on them. They weren't like ha ha ha look at learning people with learning disabilities. But still to see two actors perform that, it was Was tricky. Like it wouldn't be done now. Yes. But you have to sort of I guess give a little bit of latitude for what happened. Then not to say that it's okay, but like it was a different time. Yes. What's the You used to be in comedy. You were a brilliant comedian. One of the great You remain as funny as ever. What's the film that made you laugh the most? Oh Might not be the funniest, but made you laugh the most. Made me laugh the most. I think it's probably apparently not apparently. I get that it's problematic for some folks now. Uh trading places. Yeah. Yeah. Why say it? Why funny or why problematic? Yeah, why is that? Why why I know why it's problematic. Oh man I just The all the performances it is is definitely that's that's it. That's what it is, is what it is. Eddie Murphy at the top of his game. But also that pairing with Dan Ackroyd is is perfect. Because him playing that sort of uptight, privileged It's a here's an existential crisis, essentially, a sort of a buzz light year realization, oh that's who I am, sort of thing. But yeah, the the the combination of them and the sort of skewering of that world is really, really well done. And you can feel well, I hope that it's I hope that it was as fun to film as it seems to have been. And like, you know what I mean? Like that it was alive, it was crackling with Like you feel like you know the actors had latitude to sort of riff and and find stuff. But again, it's one of those films and I and I sort of wish we had more films like that, but we don't seem to, but like films that are really quotable. Do you know what I mean? Like we used to quote like training plate like yeah. And so we just go, yeah. Um an um Yeah, we we don't really have films like that anymore. So that's another thing that's like we a real sort of Gem about it is that like Just these these moments that that that are just like cultural currency. Yeah. Yeah. That's because everything's so spread out, yeah, or because we don't haven't had a big broad mainstream comedy in the cinemas. I think that cult because culturally we've moved and uh moved on and things are a bit more subtle now and 'cause of the way that lines get delivered, just not to be simplistic about it, but like it doesn't lend itself to being quotable. I feel like The Matrix was probably the last sort of great quotable film. Which would have been what, is that ninety nine? So Fuck yeah. Yeah. We we're we're just it's a different era, a bit of a of subtlety and more nuance. So it doesn't sort of lend itself to eat that or whatever, or you know, all the things that people the things that people say in films, basically. He's a good thing. Interesting. And yourself. Yes, I have. You've been beyond the delight. However, when you were getting ready to go out silently, as Mr. Bean as you could be, you tripped over, you spilt a glass a glass of water. Onto your desk. It rolled off the desk in a sort of cascade waterfall. You went to catch it. As you went to catch it, you reached under, near the plug socket where the water landed. As you caught the glass, you went, I've caught it. And then your finger caught the end of the electric socket and you were electrocuted. You electrocuted. That wasn't enough for you. So you pulled your hand away. And you were like, Oh God, I'm alive. And then you fell backwards down the steps. Oh my God. That sounds like me. And then you've got supposed to stand you weren't dead yet, but you were very injured and you managed to crawl out the door into the road. And your dog ran past and you called your dog's name, but your dog thought it was a different name. And straight bath. And then you were hit by a bus. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, Shay. I was walking round with a coffee and you know what I'm like, I see this bus go past with you on the front of me like that. Sandy Osha. So I run to the Next up and I go, sorry, it's the best I've and the f you're best. And I peel you off. You're abandoned. Messed up and I haven't got the dimensions of it right, so I say to Bus Trav Have you got um one of them like fire axes? And he goes, Yeah, yeah, chopping you up, chopping up you know, people on the bus are screaming. I go, It's all right, I know it chopping you up. Yeah. And uh put all of you in the coffin, but it's more than I was expecting and this coffin is absolutely random. That's holiday. It's it's not you, it's the stuff you've accumulated on your food down the stairs and in the streets and the bus. You've got a bits of metal. Anyway, there's only enough room in this coffee for me to slide one DVD into the side. For you to take across to the other side. Every night is movie night. film are you taking to show Pesta puppies when it is your movie night. Puppies. Ms. Andy Youssef. The chairman show. Incredible. Yeah, man. Because as well, we can all laugh about how we know that this is all just a c construct, but we're watching this movie about how it's all a construct. On the other side of the construct. Yeah, that's what we do. You uh you uh Neo. There you go. Andy I show is there anything you'd like to tell people to listen to, look out for, read? Read coming up. Oh yeah. Oh thanks. Sure. I have um a new book out. So I have a new book out called Tough Crown and it's a rom com, I guess. Yeah, rom com about um uh a comedian who she's a sort of aspiring open mic comedian and and she meets a guy but it turns out he has kids. And turns out to be the tough crowd. So it's so kind of like It's a bit l obviously it's drawing on my experience from being a comedian, but it's kinda sort of a little bit of a farewell, farewell for now to to comedy, but But also about, you know, the experience of dating somebody who's got kids. That's a whole that's a whole thing. Have you sold the film rights to this yet? I have not. Working on it. Okay, let's let's get that done. Yeah, cool. Yeah, that sounds like a great book and a great film. Oh, thanks, guys. And the O'Chew. God I like you. Oh thank you very much for this. This has been wonderful. Oh thank you. It's been a pleasure. Have a lovely day. Good day to you. Appreciate you. Appreciate you. So that was episode two hundred and forty two. Head over to the Patreon at patreon.com forward slash Breck Goldstein for the extra chat secrets, videos, and uncut episode with Andy Osho. Thank you so much to Andy for doing the show and for being so open. Go watch her shows, read her books, do everything you can. Thanks to Scribbiest Pip and the Distraction Pieces Network. Thanks to Buddy Peace for producing it. Thanks to Adam Richardson for the graphics. Come and join me next week for a brilliant episode. So that is it for now. I hope you're all well. In the meantime, have a lovely week and please be excellent to each other.