Total Football and the 1974 Final

Welcome back to Finversus History. We're join by Zach and Jack from the Upshot podcast. Look at this, what an honour. Boys to finally returned the favour. Yes, we've all been on the uppshot. That's the only podcast in the world to have all three of us on. Oh ye, we've had Charlie as well. Yeah. Yeah. ye How was it having Charlie on It was ent saying Charlie that Charlie's an excellent guest. It was nice to get Charlie in front of the camera. We talked about a bloke you had a spike go up as us, which was very much home turf for Charlie. Home fxtture for Charlie.. This is part two of our World Cup series. You guys' a terrific podcast, the upshot. Yeah. We were saying the last episode it's similar to this in that you pay a researcher And then put it in the bin and call whoever you're talking about paif f. Yeah, which is similarort. Yeah the heavily researched baseless pedophile accisation podcast. you do sports. Now we talked about the World Cup pre war last time We're gonna kick off post war now. Now, Germany and Japan had been banned from the nineteen fifty World Cup. Why'd they been banned? Well I don't think because of the Holocaust. I don't think it's a long enough band personally. It tournament. One tournament wouldould it not have been better to get force them to come Aen just destroyed becauseumably wonumably Yeahah The problem is that they win in fifty four the problem is that you look at what the generation of politicians were doing before that under their racial laws It's icky isn't it in the post? Yeah that they win What are you saying as a amateur? As an amateur euenicist, I'm saying I'm saying it's an icky result for the post war consensus. Not icky for you. No, I'm d everything youve said. it's an information of my For the average Joe, it might be isy. Yes, for the week Lilly li with average Joe, the fact that Germany win in fifty four Having pursued a twenty year policy of racial sterilization. It was all of the antidotes nineteen thirty six Olympics, right that was the one where they they basically tryed to prove it. cor that Eugenics was right. And then They all wrong Iess we's saying antidote, I like that because it's like saying nineteen thirty six was an aberration. was aar. Yeah. Yeah now we're back on the track. nineteen thirty six was a tragedy. nineteen fifty four, everything clicked to the place Okay how long's the band? Six matches? Genuinely. It seems that well so there's not a tournament for so end of World War two forty five there's then the next tournament is nineteen fifty in Brazil, which we'll deal with shortly. But yeah, Germany and Japan are banned for one World Cup cycle. for committing the Holocaust. Yeah. It doesn't feel like enough. Well, I think they should play, but they should have some sort of disability Either they do it in blindfold? Yes, they do it dead. or like like I don't, or they they have it like it's a three legged race thing like they have to be in potato sacks. Well they have to do with less players and they playing against Israel Israel win twenty. that could be like a nice Be even so closed. Right now Rusia Russias banned, right Is it? I think Russ I think Russia are the world can't for world areer bann from the United Well this such a disgrace. because is I think it's been like now it's been a few few tournaments that Russia has been for J just Google what how many times Russia have been banned for currently because they have not committed the Holocaust. They're just protecting their of Putin's just protecting his national Special operation. It's a Western Border. There's a special operation Wesn Border. Just a special operation. It's a police managing situation On the Western border So hang on, FIFA and N UEF have lifted their ban on Russian under seventeen teams. I guess it's not their fault though. No the youth. You can't blame the youth. My problem is thatan if you ban a country for one World Cup for committing the Holocaust, then what does a ban mean anymore? There' also That's not the naughtiest thing you can do. the nuiest thing you can do What say how long a band would you give them then No know generate ban themn't ban them. I would have g made them h of the to E the camps What? Yeah. but also like Mudrick, you know Micala Mudrick, the Chelsea Cl who got he's got a four year ban for running as much. Pentally doping I mean, it's not even it's not even entirely That's a Holocaust length band. Exactly. I mean does it mean? actually know what media it gets up in it spare time so maybe they know more media Yeah Bann from Fortnite as well isn't it?r counter Strike you got banned fromnter Strike. was youag playing that Quite possibly finger muscles never look stronger. So Germany and Japan are banned in nineteen fifty, but in nineteen fifty four They're back into the fold. Yeah. This is West Germany W Germf German Yes that is true. It's Jean's Germany. It cabbage German It's supposed to cbage Germany. Yeah, sorry. It's Jeans versus cabbage. Ultimately it's a forty year war and Jeans win. Yeah just So I suppose Berlin now is a melting pot of denam and cabbage. Yeah. ye. I guess that's what gives that distinct flavor. isn't it? So the Miracle of the Berurn, Switzerland nineteen fifty four. Now this is the era of the Hungarian team. Supposedly the greatest the mighty Magyars. Is that pushcast then? They should pushcast. Right And again, this is the fif this is fifties football. So you know, total football means passing sideways. Yeah. So for us now it's still like shit. Yeah. at the back, isn't it Isn't it? Yeah It's like almost no defendnder. They're basically wearing ski boots. Yeah down the wing, that sort of the thing, right? fifty four this was There was in the in the semifinal one of the Uruguay gets hungry and one of the Uruguay players scored a goal and then had a heart attack when he was celebrating And they like, they resuscitated him setent him back on and he scored again. I mean that's a real celebration. It's a real man I mean, that's an amazing celebration to dive. It's a. incredible. I think you could do that was fea though. No was off the Italans diving at someone brushing past you. You had a heart attack. Christian Erkson, looking quite. It's exactly. Yeah. get back out there. get over with it s. Mamber lazy L always say lay. He never got back He never even came back. He never played again. Yeah I'm sorry to slnag off Mamber But he wasn't the best player. I he probably was using that as an excuse to end his career. Yeah. So like when you I want to Friz Marama has not had enough shame. No's's had it coming from a wide Frz Marama. I' sick of Mar It's a chargity cooking sauce. Does this man have no shame? Okay, you know when you know when you get you got fouled at school or rather rather you made a fuck up and you you know mispaced pass, you went and you went down. Yeah. You're saying that's what for Brce M Ram with. I'm saying that When he came to, he was like I might as well end it here because I don't actually have a lot left to my crp. W was he playing for Bolton? He's playing for Bolton. was the next couple of years I was were changing player with changing, you know, T qu is it's a lot of passing you're not going to be able to keep it really hurts all right for Brz Yeah Do me a favour. G up, mate. come on. Yeah, the ultimate dive for Brce Muramber Yeah, so just said that thats didn't get enough for the Holocaust that they look for Bce. That's the real villain. Bce Vmber should have been banned for life after that.'s two tournaments. T tournament So yeah the Mag yards there's what we'll realize as we go through is that there' every World Cup has a team that's never won it that's like the greatest team' ever won the World Cup. This is probably the first iteration the Hungarians in the fifties. They were the first team to be England in England. Right Six Nil at Wembery. But this is the big change because we don't We think it's embarrassing that other people are playing football and you're taking it too seriously, it's a good game for amateurs, they take it professionally. and we think we're better than everyone, right? until they come and absolutely spank us. Yes That was the six now, was it? Y ye Yeah. It's basically that's all of the way it goes with all of our sportsricket football. We' the other. the French will make a federation. you' like that's gay. We're not joining that.ed you rined it. Yeah. So they batter us. Then you have a guy called Fritz Walter who is the captain of the German team West German team. And he of Fritz Fritz. Thank you Charlie, It's an easy mistake to make his c in the same cloth. Yes. He had contracted malaria during World War II whichich means that he's more comfortable playing in the rain And also why? Hey? Why? I don't under Why are you asking me? I don't know. decade later he still start. This is what the research says. I calling the fever Don't ask me to explain why malaria makes you better in the rain. Okay Itcause it actually doesn' make sense. I don't know whatar. There's a lot of southeast Asians playing football in Scotland Yeah, ye. You destroyed that with truth. Charlie, malaria can make you thirsty. Thank you, Charlie. Where would we be without you? Oh you mean it's the hydration Anyway, S Calhog malaria. That's one thing I know Chery Cle had malaria?.id you not know about this? How do you know that this? I're a straight man with a war. I'm not keeping up with Cheryl Cole's diseases Let's not sure show our's favoriteood Charlot's. Come on, listen. It's also the first tournament. they roast dinner. It to roast. It's also the first dinner, first dinner. It's also the first tournament. where Addyas have made boots for the Germans. Now Addy Naughty Addy's naughty one? I believe. Can we just double check that Adolf is. So Adolf Dasler was a Nazi partarty member, card carrying Nazi. fell out with his brother, Rudolph who went to make Puma because Rudolph was a traitor Yeah And so they rightly cut contact with him with cush your eyes kind thenactly straight to coers. and then Addie Das, you know, again the West Germes are like, well, let's pick a Nazi one he made longest they made long longer studs to the German team so they could play better in the rain. This is all called the miracle of the Burn youer starts. Yeah, of course. This episode of Finversus History is brought to you by our dear friends at Surfshark. Now I've been trying to protect myself on my. I've been putting condoms over my laptop. I've been mashing up contraceptive pills and putting it in the HDMI bo. I've broken my laptop Yeah. But turns out what I to you can use Surfshark And it's it's like the it's the magic bullet. You're j protecting yourself online. You'reoking me. I'm not joking.'re ping off right now. Have Ive ever said anything I don't mean on this show? That's true. Yeah. You're one of the sincere comedians, I. Enest man And I love sururfshark. It's a VPN. Do you know what that stands for? Vj Pussy, Nigeria. Exactly. Hello de It's not a cal. whatever filth you put in, that's on you. That's we cannot have any no. we take no responsibility for your Google searches. All the damage it does do do surfshark, but what they do is it stops other people seeing what you're doing whichich is very important. Crucial. It means all your information is encrypted. your online activity is hidden It doesn't collect your personal information One of the few people nowadays who don't Nowadays. Nowadays, everyone's collecting my data park a car that'sone ask people my name is. Fuck off. Yeah. Leave me alone Secure your digital life with Surfshark VPN. It's a risk free, thirty day money back guarantee. It's a guarantee. The money back guarantee is risk free, but whenever you're searching, we can't take responsibility. No no responsibility. No accountability. that's on you. It's all on you. yourself up. If you're searching for stuff you shouldn't be, that is on you. That is I'm not taking. compicated beat shorts. Exactly C your billib Bong shorts up. Past yourob Ellyb. Go to sururfshark. com slash fVh or use the code FV H that's Vagina Hotel You know it by now. sayay it with me. Fox Rock Vagina. Hotel We're the contcierge of the Foxock Vaginaot We are the Bellboys of the Fox Rock Vagina Hotel. It's like Hotel California except d it's a dy beat song. Yes Welcome to the Fox Dg Vinaotel. Four extra months of sururfshark Don't let online threats catch you off guard Heo I'm Dorian Linenssky from Mrigin Story. And I'm I Dun. We're the host of a podcast that tries to tell the truth about the political terms that we use today. none of the tribal bullshit, none of the irrationality, none of the hysteria, just accuracy and laughs as we try to understand the world around us We dig into history to tell stories that explain why we are where we are today. And we're very excited that we get to do this on stage as well And soon we will be doing it at our biggest ever live show. Yeah on september first in the Union Chapel, London, come join us there for a night of laughs, maybe a few tears and just a general feeling of moral vindication. There's a link to my tickets in the show notes, and the good news is if you're a patron, you get a fairly substantial discount. So if you've been thinking of signing up, now's a good time We'll see you that So they beat hungry in the final U Having hungry had wiped everyone I think they hungary had beaten West Germany eight three earlier in the Germ then they beat them in the final. And this is the beginning of the Germans just just sort of being this ultimate killjoy. of the of the kind of pure football in countries, which we willll see the way they organize and just steamroll countries. They're an organized nation. Why is that? Well let's look ten years previously. Sure know look that energy has to go somewhere. The energy has to go somewhere Aga St doesn't seem like a particularly massive innovation There's no what no what, no one to of that Yeah but it's only someone only invented passing sideways like two years earlier. likeike this is like They were wearing hiking shoes before yes. Yeah. I in suit, you know that record score thirty six Nil in Scotland and up in suits, three piece suits smmart shoes. ammazing.ty six now were playing in w who won? win in football. Was it in the I don't know Mbe talks about this in the last episode, but the nineteen thirty World Cup where Bolivians are something they played in berets I' really, I didn't know that. Yeah yeah. And I think the reps had suits and ties as well. Yeah. Is this the one where India are invited to play, but they're not allowed to play barefoot so they don't come. Yeah, but isn't Yeah also their chef wasn't allowed to cook meals with their feet either. So they were like, well' not I can't come then That's nineteen fifties isnt it That's. I don think anyone even asked India they just said, Oh, you'll probably want to beareot. So don' dg on the c. Yeah So anyway, so now this is also the first time nineteen fifty four that the German National anthem is played publicly And the was it new the two were Yeah, but the old instincts kicked in And then the press, when they win, the press go mental, like not even just the daily mail, like in Denmark, they all like, oh, the only thing that was missing was Zkiles that the trophy being lifted. Everyone's furious. Right Yeah. It's embarrassing. It is embarrassing becausecause it's a repudiation against the United Nations and the end of Eugenics. Right And no one really knows what to make of it. Yeah. So did they it a brand new Aon? or did they just change the lyrics? I think it's just they missed out a few words. yeah because it's a pretty dodgy. And also this they talk talking about fewer print Sap as well There' the coach talks about like when he's coaching them Bases hasays to do it for the Fuurr Well, yeah, that's pretty that's Well that's the leader print. But does he mean Fuhrer is in Hitler or the idea of the leader? Like the manager. Yeah. This is the defense that he makes. R He goes, No, I just meant Fuhr in a general sense. And we're like, guysys, it's ninetty four Royal Fur Yeah. The Royal F. It's nineteen fifty four. You know Hitler still cast a long shadow. Yeah. But mainly Hitler's still a young man in Argentina at this point. Of course, ye. He's naililing Kata on the beach But mainly mainly when you talk about Brazil, that's what this sort of story is So as we're going through it, I guess the thing that's becoming clear is every worldld Cup is controversial, every worldld Cup is corrupt. Yes. And if we're we're trying to find any world cup that is not Deeply political. Yeah. night fifty four ailed Fails. Deeply failed It's a rehilitation of the Holocaust. And they call that the miracle of the bird. whichich is an awful name So let's talk about Pelle. Have you guys done Pelle on the upshot? We've done him in bits've got aak me look. Yeah, he's a big shagg him in Francez Beckenba, apparely I said they do they all just show up together the different teams after the game. That's notice. So Pelle's cock? If you're listening, Charlie's just found a photo of Beckermauer and Pelle in the shower. and this is Bellini as well. Wh's Wh who's that for that rg That's a fifties rock. That's I believe. Okay. Who's Bellini? don't I?, It's just an naky guy. like little smaller? You know about bellini? No. now I will say if you go back to the first photo what we'll say is that Pelle's got a nice hog Beckenbauer, it's thick.a Where's' That's dis isn't it? Hey Where are you seeing What are you seeing? No, I'm saying like his arm and his waist.ight? L he's like a lady. He's jicy.'s got juicy. I'm attracted to Bebau's ar. That's the Kaiser. He's like a Renaissance to you..s he's got similar sizeed thighs to me. Yes, al right. Yeah always criticized me for my f Amazonian th My Amazodian thighs crush There are lots of gay men in the comments asking me askking to be suffocated by my fes. There are no women. We've said this before now you can understand.'t Yeah. now it're seeing B about life. I think this is something that's changed from football then to now that I can't imagine Pope Palmer. stripping off in the shower. Yeah. I think's quite he's to be quite prudish at the of has like a sounds like a mouth breather Yeah not I think I think it's theong way around. I think I think he's a mouth breateder, but his knob is one of the most articulate philosophers of this generation. Right. So Yeah, you wanton it the other way around. All the brain's gone to his car. No. can we get Pelles Let's see what Pelle did with that knob. Can we get his quote about sex But what have you what did you guys find out when you did pall on your podcast, you do deep dives on sporting figures. Yeah. So pallet nons, obviously. Nons. Well Borderline knonce forty one with a seventeen th stuff on this podc. That's noton fair. Thats fair.'s crricket. That's cr. fourteen, fourteen.ventty one percent seventeen. Sos Sherry Seinfld stuff. Devastating bowling figures. seventeen to forty one. Yeah. Deent. And face of Viagara. Yes, we know that. Yeahah. And he's got the Boris Johnson thing he won't I mean, he's dead now, but he wouldn't say how many kids he has. Yes. Yeah, but it's important to keep your cards close to your chest. It gives you a lot of power. Yes, it does. if you never one knows how many kids you have, I that gives you a very strong hand 'use no one knows when one of your kids might come out out the way There was there was one a few years ago this woman was after Pelle died, she popped up and was like, Yeah, my momum shag Pelle seventies or something. Yeah. She was trying to get him dug up. Oh my God. an amazing' an amazing headline. goo exume Plle exume Plle daily mirror headline. It taboid. It's one of the funniest headlines where they were basically started a petition to exche appelle Yeah to prove that Do you have It was He's been alive. He lived till like eighty six or something like that and it's like you could have approached him earlier. to say Dig up peelle. There's something about his Dig up peelle headline. womoman claiming to be Pelle' secre daughter wants the football legend. Womanaim to Ple. Secre daughters football legend dug for paternity term. I don't think it got many signatures, the old petition. Yeah, it's just the way they phrased his headline, there's just something so funny about Aite to it. let's exume ballet. Yeah. I start to exume ballet. Is there a picture of her? Be there is a resemblance. I would say But I mean, he' the face of Viagarraa. so on. There's going to be a lot love you. The thing is though, if you're the faceyag aggra, you are going to be you are going to be tarred with nonss accusations especi if you've got seventeen or your girlfriend. Well, look,'s by the bye, that's relevant. Age is just a number Yeah, it'd be hard to be the face of Viaga without people throwing that sort of stuff at you. Well like purist, man. Do does this work fucking right? I've got a seventeen year old girlfriend? You you're not saying that. If you're ambassador for the brand you know, then you have to live your life by the brands the values. Yeah The value of Viaga is It doesn't matter that I'm fucking fifty. I got fifteen. Fuck stuff. Is his numbers does that water down his nonsery, For example if you'd only if he was fifty. Do the scale of Savil's crimes water each oneind? What percent Savil was sort of exclusively going for tenin. Give it less love, there's fucking hundreds of you. Is this sort of like one death is a tragedy? Yeah, it is. If you're shagging, if you're putting those numbers up The seventeen year olds down to get fucked. Do you know what I mean B, not down. . I'm saying he's shagging Le right and centre. He's probably shacking grannies as well. it just does that that mean if you'd only ever shagg if you were a fifty year old who'd only ever shagged a seventeen year old, that's it That's a od. If you shagged every every moving thing And O of them happens to be seventeen that must take away from. It's collateral damage. Yeah, exactly. Butight. Pelle is born in nineteen forty. He's named after Thomas Edison, which makes no sense. It's bizar Yeah It's like Lyionel Messi named after Lionel Richie. Yeah. Is he actually? Yeah. And Ronaldo's Ronald Reagan. Yeah. Really? Genuinely. Christiano Christiano. know this thing a Brazilian name It's basically two categories. There's the sexy Brazilian Roberto Carloses And then there's like,vred Fred. Yeah Graham. Yeah. What's going on there? why Why is Fred Chian? I think it's just it's just nicknames, isn't there? Yeah like it's all A lot of them they're also there's there's a Brazilian player called Mahatt Ma Gandi As well.'s Osama Bin Laden.'s Peruv Pervian a Peruvian player who plays now he's like twenty as it be called Osama Bin Laden with a V Spanish v Osama his brother' called Saddam Hussein. No. are you joking? No'ur I need a Bin Laden should. Yeah. He plays for a pretty B and has he ever scored two goals? C I want to hear commentary on a sacer? Oh it's another That's when you D meant it. That's when you knew He''s S of Lond you fin see the back of his shirt because I need that for hisis brother Sadam Hus say. H his brother Sadam they had a he had it Usually like when we do like fucking terrorists These are genuine These are genuinely my these are my suggestions when when my wife was pregnant. Yeah for ain Lsama Finlad. Thead The dad said he wanted to call their next kid George Bush There was a girl. so I think you just Georgeorge. was Geor's w Barbara Bara Barbara. She's a great name.. That's his mom And then so kaka means poo. And shit, yeah. doeses it? actually. In a lot of languages it does. I don't know if him I'm kacking it Yeah. Yeah, But there's Hulk, the footballer. hisis son is just called Ian. It's sort of like getting your stagdoo name on the back. Yeah is Yeah is yeah. That's how Brazilians do it. But it's a very sexual countryot's like it's crazy just having at the airport, that's your name for life now Vy Magnum. ye. That's your name. S Yeah, the nameam of Brazilian is basically an airport t shirt. So Plle is born to his names what his actual full name? his too many names. It doesn't matter. Anyway, Plle is because his nickname was Bille and then he couldn't he was like a bit deaf when he was younger or whatever. Borat's brother, isn't it Bele? Is that be Bilo So that's kind of really dull little strange sty? It's kind of a boring story of what it's called Pellle. It doesn't really matter. I Yeah, who cares? Someone called him Be and they said it wrong. Yeah it's called Pello. almost like that. But he grew up very poor and he basically started playing football with grafruit in an alleyway. you know what I mean if you know I mean? He's barefoot, you know, blah blah blah. And then he so in nineteen fifty, the first World Cup, which Germany and Japan are banned for, it's in Brazil. And so Brazil haven't come on to the global stage yet. Uruguay has shown up. Argentina hass come bit before us butrail Untouched by war, I guess. you're starting to show that but they haven't won anything and that the idea of Brazil as this great nation is not There's also there's a historian of Brazil who says that you know it's the fifth largest country in the world, but there's no real and I disagree with this, I think Bossonooba's a vibe, but he says there's no real like intellectual philosophical cultural sort of export until football. that is there kind of When boss to start? The six the fifty six I suppose it's aboutool and bundnder. And a bit of barbecue actually. Ball bundnder and barbecue Brazil That Brazil. Do we know how football came to Brazil Oh was Brit I don't know. It's Brit. is it Brit? is itit. Bril, Arentina are all their soft empire in the nineteenth century Yeah. That's why Arenta have got theyre really into rugby and pololo. They have like country clubs and you know, all the trains. I think Brazil's first international match is against Exter City. Yes. in nineteen fif. all English players. Yeah they not playay it or something. They replayed it like on one hundred year anniversary or something. So anyway, so Brazil are playing in white at this point in nineteen fifty and they're eager to show their football culture. This is I guess this is before maybe the sort of Samba caricature sh maybe Pelle' a young boy and he remembers how he remembers this tragedy of the final where Brazil who are the favorites, they lose to is it Uruguay again They lose to Urgay at the Americanar, which is the big stadium. And they describeed this loss as Brazil's Hiroshima. Bear in mind, this is this is five so recent. It' four and a half years after Hiroshima. I mean, we do say everything's nine hundred eleven, but ye, this literally is It recent, I don't think you can call him. I mean, I mean, it's a country thatarly hasn't been touched by World War two. Yeah, they're calling that Hiroshima. And this was they allowed Japan back for this World Cup, and then called it Hiroshima Wap was for this one. This' the one after. There were two hundred thousand people watching, which What's the death toold at Hirosima Does that mean when Brazil lost two thousand? seeven one to Germany, that was Nagasaki. Yeah. Yeah ye I estimateated hundred forty thousand similar similar to be fair, He's got a good understanding of scale.es. Yes, it's comon on scale really, rather than anything else. Pellle said it was the first time he saw his father cry and he comforted his father by promising that he would win the World Cup himself. And obviously at this point, Pelle's what fucking twelve. So his dad's like to just fuck off, would you? That's Bllocks. Yeah. But he turns professional at age sixteen or something like that and he gets recruited into the national team. The psychological trauma from Hiroshima, from the Brazilian Hiroshima is known as the Marakanazo. And there's a thing called the Mongrel compleplex, which is the second volume of my book coming out This is all this is apparently about because Brazilians are their psychology is quite It's a strange one because itort it's such a melting pot. Yeah. It's the most diverse country in the world probably. Yes. the most like true count. theund' the greatest range in bunda size. Yes because you've youve got this sort of Portuguese white S of straight down Oscar. Let's get Oscar's. Oscar's. Let's have a look at Oscar's. And then you've got, you know, you've got Ronaldinooss and then you Yeah, you got you got Amazon the hit. Yeah and you Well you got the greatest bunders in the world. It's the most famous bunders in the world, really. The most famous most bongerable bunders Yeah If you're gonna bunger a bunder your s you' sambering a bund It s that's where it came from. Exactly. You go to Venice to watch see the art. You go to Southeastia youk's up we're now here with load of ass up. Yeah.. But when I actually ask for an ask, you won't give it to me. But you will be constantly showing me other people's assks. It's a European ass.. There's absolutely nothing going on there. Straight down. Straight Yeah. Yeah, so you've got a real blend. And imagine culture, it's like, who are we We got some of those bongoable bundas in the world. some the least. But then that's how you play the vibrophone is you need a different, you know, the bongoos have different arere you saying that? well, that's that's maybe a call for like a rainbow society, right? Yes Is regulation. You know, if it's, you know, Japan that's just one note. If you're hitting Japan's ass It's a pretty much an ethn state in a way. Yes. You're hitting just s making beautiful mus.'s no Tambra to a Japanese arse. Brazil Yeah.actly You don't hold off. What was that? There was a partarty one at the end. That was Fran Bebeckcaar There's a big party. you get here, Frs. you're not pres. Get out So But the Mongrel complex is coined by Nelson Rodriguez who refers to nineteen fifty loss and the sort psychological issue they have with it by basically because they their mixed race heritage And at this point, you know, it's just our it's still we're still not really haven't been united as a country? No, it's still so early. It's not really clear what the country is. Exactly. And there's so many differents I think it' the biggest African population outside of Africa, is that right? In Brazil. And they sort of still believe this kind of psychological shadow of lack of discipline and all those kind of stereotypes But here we go. By Mongol complex, I mean the inferiority in which Brazilians place themselves voluntarily when they compare themselves to the rest of the world Brazilians are the backward narcissus who spits in his own image. Is this you or sry that's not my worst, not my worst But you think this is also because they've had all the Nazis come over from Europe after the war? Did Brazil get a lot of them It was qu Argentinea weelcome them. weelcome them. And I think some of them went to Brazil for the B. Mgle went to Brazil at the end to experiment in bunde sizes. Yeah. Now Mle Menggele will come into the story in the nextrly? Surprisingly. The one who got away. The one who The love of my life, Joseph Manglele Wantna know the real story of how Oasis made Britain mad for it, how friends turned us ono coffee culture and super layered hair. The secrets of Nirvana, trainsotting, gay hookups, Diana's revenge dress and what it was really like to be a spice girl plunged back into the decade when the world fell for cool Britannia, bumpster jeans, and lemon hooch With talkalk nineties to me. Listen now wherever you get your podcast and if you use Spotify, you can watch the whole show too. That's talkal nineties to me out every Monday. Anyway, so basically let's get to nineteen fifty eight. This is Sweden and this is Pelle's firstirst World Cup. He's but he's seventeen We did when we did the Grinch epode, right? we't We did Ginch with you Horato. Yeah, who famously lost his virginity to a goat. Yeah country. Catholic country, whichich apparently in the book about Gorincha, the guy his own court. Eones Catholic country. doesn't happen in Germany. Apparently ninety nine percent of rural teenagers in Brazil lost their virginity to a goat. How many? thirties and forties? ninety nine accing Yeah who who's collecting that poll? Ruy Castro, the author, I think. It in a census, I think. D hand you. Yeah. Grincher is hilarious. I mean, he's got like, he's on the's got a line between actual mental reardation.. He's got rickets. Yeah to add inside into Weir leg, but he put it away. Huge cock as well. Yeah So you know, all the blood's gone to his cock. Yes. Bad news if you're a goat as well great I was I day to be a g I went weeks after the farm. I was really I was reading this article about like goat shagging. and in Combia, apparently it's more donkeys. And it was from a farmer who was saying that he he used to basically he basically ped just another scholar basically ped sorry done research. Sorry, what's why snakes go or donkey because it's allkey dononkey, but bas basically pped out pimped out to local teenagers. sometometimes if they're be charging. Yeah revenue early teens have to bring a box to dononkey biter. Yeah. But there was one rule that you weren' allowed to use a condom k they don't the country the Catholic country. C country and the Catholic country. London is not They're also concerned that the latex might irritate the donkey. God forbid the donkey would have isn't it? Ionestly I think the donkey's got bigger issues than the latex. Jarlllie is just goofound. What do you found a horse sex kid Goo found Jarlly Oh there's a video of that. S being bummed or trying toum understand rupted coal Yeah. Yeah right That's a different ktle of fish Gats are fine. I guess it's like the revenge for Garincha What in the Grand Nashational running' Grincha's revenge. It's the horse that killed a man by. Anyway, so so Garina has knock knees or rickets or something and it basically means when he's a winger, no one actually knows which way he's running. He doesn't know which way. It's like aartoon. Toris Gump run. He's exactly left feet So is he a left or right wing or he's on the wing anyway. So he's part of this sort of early amazing Brazil team. But yeah, so they well they say about Gincia, they say that and then actually the footage of this team, which is which is the first the type of footage and Pelle scoring Amazing goals, even for the fifth like this is the first time you recognize these goals and you go, Oh, that's that's a go. That's a go. And so when they go to Sweden and Grina can't believe the women there, right? Yeah. And he fathers a child there. Yeah And is there a new it was a kid or a child. Yeah. Well, that's my goat. Right. Because they had this doctor Hilton Gosley, who was at the Brazil team doctor. and he was really worried that he basically knew that all the Brazil players were massive shaggers. Yeah. And he before he like went ahead to the hotel in Sweden and got all of the female staff removed So his only man And then really that's what I' doing t we have toress Yeah, They're fine with it. Yeah. se. They got there and they realized that the hotel overlooked a new disk colony. I thought you were going donkey sanctuary there. Pro probably had to say the same Brazil. In Brazil, they have those adverts for donkey charities, but it's not I'm so hot. It's not so horned. I keep getting fucked by national football is it to try and stop.?on't fuck your donkeys. Don't fuck donkeys Could you like adopt a donkey of Brazil as different charityities. differentiff char' swweed into the H happy Wor Cup then, isn't it I guess politics there let's see if that's a political. No, because Gin. So Garina is Isn't he what do they say about Garinch? They say he's basically bordline. IQ of seventy Wow And after the final doesn't Garrina says who are we playing next? He just thinks is. schoolool. That's what you need. You need something you can't think.ra Brazil in fifty eight was the first time that a teaman had like a psychologist and specialist, backroom staff. Charlie is tit to cleverest dog IQ The report they make says Garincia was not mentally capable of following complex tactics. But then the coach, Fayola, dismisses the expert saying, you might be right, but you know fuck all about football. Which to be fair. hed probably play better in like an anchlotti system. he's like a Raladrid player Garina. He's not tactical a live space player U So now Pelle is dropped for the first couple of games but then he comes into the team start scoring hatricks and then in the final against Sweden Uh this This is where they first only play in blue. So after Hiroshima they got rid of their white shirts and put yellow shirts on U'm So I've just decided not to say a comment about Japan. And then mesture and self control. Yeah ye Lave. And then so Brazil now Sweden turn up in yellow. this is still the time where both teams would turn up in the same shirt and be like an arm that fucking jo you J. Yeah. So Brazil going buy blue shirts U and they beat them five two in Pally schools at Hatickics.. And he's seventeen. He's seventeen. and he does the first I think the first time someone ever knocked a ball over someone's head and bullied it. Yes. So everyone just loses their mind. Yeah. The Sombrero flick. This is the first time European commentators going, Chaa. Yeah Brazilia, you know Yeah So Pelle burst into tears at the final whistle, having fulfilled the promise he made to his father after Hiroshima and he enters the sixty two World Cup as the worldld best after Hirosima after Brail.ust fe that. Yeah, America didn't drop a bomb on Japan unt they said, I will win the World Cup. There was a story from the football celebration of that Yeah, they could have taken a leaf of Pello's book. Be the only thing Japan have ever done in football from my point of view is when there that footage of a hundred Japanese toddlers professal football. Yeah tidy up after games. Sorry, what were you going to say? A that what was at fifty eight, the one in Sweden? Yeah at the trophy celebration, apparently one of the like Brazilian squad players like just on the bench. convinced these journalists to call him Plle in front of these like hot Swedish girls and disappeared off with her six foot six foot two blond apparently. Six foot two blondes You probably fathered or fathered a child with him and This this is where it' actually my friendred. Yeah, it' the fifty eight World Cup? it Is it apolitical?? mean's Sweden? Yeah I think it's a happy one. Is it maybe one we can enjoy? Although the Swed were still doing eugenics then, weren't they? They were famously. So it's another it's two eugenics wins back to back. F West Germany, Sweden. Fantastic. Fantastic. Yeah. Sw Sweden did not drop sterilization laws until the fucking seventies. And also look at win football team now look at the results. L this is the Gen Aer swe. Yes, you're true. You' right So Pelle enters sixty two. Now sixty two is in where's sixty two Wh's that world cu She is a chid is ist chilly. Day for it Brazil So Brazil then g on to win This is the one where Brazil have an official team brothel In Santiago. The team doctor has a complete one hundred eighty and think al right, didn't work. getting rid of the female staff. So he goes and sets up a deal with the local broth. If you're going be doing it, I'd like to know it Yeah. It's like you know how England picked that team hotel now and take it over, change the bedro. So the opposite of Cappello. Yeah. Just get the brass in Yeah Yeah, but we'll stare we'll like of the brass Yeah Do does make you wonder what happened to that doctor in the intervening years. They' had gone from all the female staff out of the hotel as a It's like they basically want it to be like a a nunnery. And and then now they're literally bussing in. Maybe just had Yeah I some of the best busts of his life It's Brazil in the sixties. Yeahs true. Post goat Yeah. Iost Mbe he saw a bunda that changed his whole view of life. Yeah. We haven't placed any of this. shouldhould we get to the nineteen sixty six World Cup which is probably the most apolitical P Pureit Cup hass ever been. Yeah. Is' the only real worldorld Cup that counts, I think. I think Everything else before is corrupt, everythingvery else afterwards even more corrupt. There's Eugenesis's Hiroshima's Nazis I standing alone is the England sixty six World Cup. Once again we stood alone in defiance. So England get the World Cup in ' sixty six The context for this is that Eoneng England are kind of falling on their asss. It's it's It's all sold as like a like the English summer and the high watermark of our kind of cultural. Zeitgeist through sixties. But actually the economy was in the toilet. Wilson's in power it's not getting pegged by Mars yet and the World Cup trophy is stolen from like a stamp collecting fair. when like a few weeks before And it's found in suspicious circumstances by a dog called Pickles. I think just around the corner from where we record in Southeast London. Y. Pickles finds the trophy gives it back to the FA or the FIFA or whoever. It Pickles the dog. Yeah. P pickles the dog. the pickles gives it back to the FA. Yeah.les. Pickles, right? Pickles then only a year later strangles, dies, his le gets caught in a branch and he hangs himself. Yeah. I dispute that. Yeah. What you say Ples didn't kill him Pickles killed. was an easy situation. Pickles did't not kill himself, he knew too much, okay How did he suspicious he find that trophy Pickles did not kill himself. It's quite Epstein. It is. they all die. The Blok who Ns it dies as well. It all stinks. Absolutely stinks. Absolutely stinks. Mears, Bletchley and Pickles. They all say their names. say their names Pickles was a Cave Pickles. The trophy was found in Ballooah Hill, which is just yeah, just around the corner from here. wrapped in newspaper tied with a string. Lying under a bush. Yeah I don't buy that for a second. I think it sts. I was born yesterday, mate? No. So Hung hug himself on his leads. Was that how relig devastating this s? The CCTV was t off Yeah at the exact time this is obviously sixty six in Britain is a fire sail for the colonies. They're all just going take them all. Music's good though the music starts to kick off now. But this is so this is the great African Boycotts because the FA the FIFA is run by a guy called S Stanley someone He's like u ad a fever at this point. and he basically says right All of Africa and Asia and whoever else, can compete for one sport to play at the World Cup And they all go, well, that's racist. We're going to boycott Ronald Foreren, one more team. One more Europeans. ot.iot. South Africa is the qualifier. Yeah. Yeah. So this means that North Korea Oh even better. even better. they qualify So this is the purest World Cup there's been. This is the least corrupt. Yes. North Korea qualified for the finals. evenven though a peace treaty had never been signed following the Korean War and the UK didn't even recognize North Korea North Korea has a right to defend itself though said that. I've always said North Korea has a right to defend itself. And so the foreign Office identifies these three main areas of tension Firstly, the use of the national anthem, the flying of the flag and the official name of the country diplomatically we don't recognize North Korea. So eventually it was called they were referred to as the Democratic People's Republic of Korea And the anthemers would only be played at the opening match of the tournament and the final. So you're basically banking North Korea and not making it to the final The Big shock is that North Koreans beat Italy one nil. Huge shock crazy. Yeah. What's the guy called? the guy who scored the goal I want I want to say it's pack. I want to say it's pack but I just wanted to get it on the screen before ran into it. Ionest say Cheng I think it is Pat Pat? Patoy? on the gol Yeah. What's Pat? And there could be a Lean there Is Is it Lee Patroy, Charlie, help us to fuck out There was Pak Dk. P of course D Y National hero. Lee Dong Won, Pak Duk, Pak Sg Z in Yang Sun cook. some broght crackers at the table. Thank you. Anyway. that's North Korean team Now Pack Dick, so the North Korean team were based in Middlesborough, which that means live la laving in North Korea.. Yeahep. Yeah, they have te tes of Pat Dewick on it. Middlesburough, their locals like fall in love with North Korea. a lot in comm. They do. Yeah. same a similar architecture. Middlesborough is the highest stab rate in Europe I think. In Europe, Charlie is from was Broroduc, Charlie. O other Clever Charlie.ight Clever Charlie,. Yes Yes Even half a century later, cultural exchanges continue between Middlesborough and North Korea. Wow, so all the people maybe Wsburg go over there and they take take a second to see the m appliances. Yeah doarry I Carry. wow, guys. what' that? what's that an I've only ever heard of those They've got microwaves. I. And then so but the main story of course, is England, the wingless wonders. done have you done sixty six on the upshot,'ve done A again, we've done done various fragments of. Yeah. So how much of was Alfred Ramsey actually an innovor? He said he was going to win it, which no one ever has the guts to do apart from Ange at Tottenham. He was right. Yeah. So I think he's considered quite good. but Jeff Heurst is the big turn up for the books because teed to be playing. Yeah. Jimmy Greeves got injured. And Jimmy Greves is our best one of our best players. belieievables Yeah Scot goal scoring stats. He was injured And Jeff Heurst obviously does the business. Have you ever seen Jeff Hearst's advert his interview on Sky Sports? No No It's too much of a diversion. No, no It' very good. You could never have too much of a diversion. What happened Just before I think it was the last Euroos final, he did like an interview on Skyports the day before the final and going to ask him about it. He I think he might have had a sponsorship It's great to have you here to watch your own pod. Here's what he had to say. I just finished off an advert for Badweiser. which has been very interesting And I think one of the great thing about S England is you can support England from all over the country, not just at the games, but in pubs and bars just enjoying a nice glass of bub wites Yeah Forky sports, great advertising to be better. You can support England wherever you are just by having a glass of American beer. wherever you are.' not watching football. No. but supports England. He's the only one left though from sixty se. Yeah. Is heiven Everyone else got like brain damageed from Hill. wet balls all of the winter, you know? Yeah dden It's the first worldup that has a mascot. Willie World Cup, Willie the line with the Union Jack on it. And then probably the best I think the best So Pell gets basically kicked off of the t rightight? Pell gets picked kicked off U the South Americans see England sixty six as like the worst wecome' ever be. The most corct All of them. We get some very dodgy calls Yes. so the main one is sorry ye. So this is before the inventment you personally Who is this? Hang up. This is before yellow and red cards are invented. So we should place nineteen sixty six. Right. Okay. Do you want to place you' aware of everyacement systemac Yeah. Let's we'll start by saying' before yellow reed cards And it was after No. Lost woman to be hanged Oh That's lovely. Let's just see when was the last word. be there, isn't it Kyung I think is the North Korean place. Lovely nineteen fiftyies It's beautiful. Absolutely glorious. Yeah. I mean some understand. And now also off the bat Ruth say her name. Ruthis the Queen of a heart. I don't think she killed herself. This didn'. I't think H and pickles have been taken out by someone top. No, I think she did kill herself. I don' R you're right. you're right. Pickles. Pickles did not kill herself. Ruth Dis was a suicide was his mental health? Yeah no, she was trying to change a light bulb Anyway Why was she hanged? Wh was she hanged? She shot a lover outside a pub in Hampstead.ot him You can't be doing that. Woman shooting a man though is kind of baler It feels different What do you mean? Well just if a woman kills her husband, you're like, what has he done I think he was he was a dirty dog. you know what I mean? L if a husband kills his wife, It's like evil. We didn't need a reason say? Yeah I get it. Yeah. get it. I get it. It's like a temper thing. if a woman stopp talking If a woman gets past her instinct to not kill people and like pushes past that, what has he done to get her to that point? Yeah You just you always look at him worse than her, I feel. Yes, yes. She's building building that train set. It'sactly It's like this's taking over the whole house exactly. So the best thing about this work upup is the is the The match between England and Argentina is it the quarters. And this is the beginning of our footballing rivalry with Argentina? Yes it is. So there's no red or yellow cards U Now the Argentinian captain Antonio Ratin footage get sent off by the German referee. Ratin refuses to leave the pitch, claiming he didn't understand the order and demands an interpreter Then he then goes and sits on the Queen's red carpet in Wembbley, which I dis. that's disgrace. Absolutely disgrace They're animals. They are animals, whichich is what Alph Ramseay says in the pcot because these' are fucucky animal And this is where Pin come from. Yeah. He says, well I think they're just animals. This is called like the Battle of wherever it this is one of the this is one of I think it's the most amount of cards or fouls in a game to this point.' one of really. It's one of the shitttest games ever. Yeah so this is him trying to send off ratin. And they don't understand. need It's not you need a card, Yeah complic Fuck off. So Lopsid and foul. thirty three committed by England to Argentinea as nineteen. I dispute those numbers. I think're too high. that's too high. Ref looks so good. was it corrupt do we get a lot of calls our way basically? hopey you believe,ly yeah, it was it was a favorraable. I guess this is when an Englishman was the head of FIFA Hence the exclusion of anyone from the developing world Stanley somewhere.' before all the s French corruption Its Englishs Cruption the woke madness of trying to give the World Cup to South Africa So now the fin England gets the final obviously, the wingless wonders Yeah and then playaying Germany in sixty six in the final and Again, the World War twowo is still casting a shadow. overver it St stillill comeome on, you know, Go through in the in that every so Helmet Sheran who's the German coach He had survived the nineteen forty five basballing of Dresden.. So West Germany had beaten the USR in the semiinals. So I guess this is also which is the World Cup where East Germany play West Germany? That's not u tntil later is it? Yeah anyway. Obviouslyng England win. they think it's all over. It is now two World Wars one World Cup Exactly U we got a fable Robber the Green there with the ball not against the line. Yeah. Yeah that sort of stuff before. definitely definitely When we insault Saudi Arabia, I quite often see comments being like, well Jeff Hurerskcoold didn't cross the line Itly different nowadays. Yeah,s really Yeah enough. But we we got in on Yeah Oh, it's lampered. Yeahah. So we're even Yeah. So Pel' kicked out the game Uh and, you know, England It' probably the last time that we had any sort of thing to sh showout about really intont the Falklands. Yeah. This is also the birth of Cany do it on a rainy Tuesday in Stoke because it's like Pelle, you came You could do it sweet. You tryed to you kit to death. Yeah, yeah yeah Because a foul at this point is u I mean, assault is allowed. It's not considered a foul. Yeah. It's potatoes football. Knobbly Englishman could knobby. Yeah it's it's the high point of the name Nobby, actually, is it Yeahobby styb likenobb knes and com oververs Yeah, they're all twenty and they they're all bdrendous hair. Horrendous haircuts. Hoes, all of them For this Wup the Brazilian teamay they stayed in this village in Cheshire, Lim, I think it was called. And they apparentone someone told her the Lim was like the most dangerous place in the UK and apparently they just wouldn't leave the hotel for the. They were just like, they'd step out and they'd be Chesire f.ry large What was f some potato I was they just cowering in their room? Well, they accused them of serving them horse meat. Yeah, they thought they were serving horse. That's my girlfriend. How' day? I'm But then we get to nineteen seventy. So Pell has had's been kicked to shit in the last two World Cups and in nineteen seventy, this is in Mexico this World Cup and this is the first T where It's becoming a real commercial operation because they make all the players play at midday in the height of the Mexican sun for TV audiences in Europe. Right. So it's also the first Wc upp of colour. So it wass first up in color. So And so this is where like the Brazil are kind of at their T Yes the the one where play color TV goal that famous whole team the n the night time the final. Yeah, the right back Carlos Alberto scores an amazing team goal But also so this is where like the it's also filmed in technicolor. So it's the yellow shirt the kind of brightness of the sun this is where I suppose certainly, when I was a kid, I had this box set of the history of the World Cup This was the one that felt like them sort of if there ever was a pee it's this and the next one for me I was like Yeah, this one feels like the most But also is this where Boby Moore' tackle? Yeah which my dad talkks something and then you see it. it's like, it's a nice tackle. but the way he my dad explained this to me for about forty five minutes was it going him back to save, andght back the same game. And this is the one where Bobby Moore gets accused of Go Boby Moore tackle stealing jewelry Really? the big sc. But who's theournament Bobby Moore's accused of stealing a necklace Yeah. Apparently Bobby Chell's Font is the greatest tackle of all time. Yeah. I mean I're tackle it right. So tackles new then? Yeah. T Bobb M moreri right before the tournament, they accuse him of stealing a bracelet or a necklace And apparently Bobby Charlton flirted with the shop assistant to distract her What was that do that? Ch Back the old Iashion the cama whatever. But Howard Wilson had to intervene, I think. Yeah. it was in Colombia, or I something think. they were over there for a friendly and they went to a jewelry shop Right N Nicked are very slow. Yeah. I mean, it's not fucking goats, is it? Yeah Yeah. It's been of harmless fun. Catholic country. Anyway. So nineteen seventy is the kind of high point of Bzil this is what they win the World Cup for the fourth time nineteen seventyies. This is when they keep the trophy isn't it? It's the third time.. fifty eight, six two, yeah seventy This is what popularizes the phrase hogab bonito Now at this point, Brazil is under a repressive military dictatorship. And so It's this is kind of sports washing, which had been happening in how long when did the Brazilian dictators get in It' been they've been since the sixties sixty four. So yeah. The famous goal in the final, they' be Italy for one. Pelly then retires after this. He was best mates with Henry Kissinger. Yeah, it's crazy. You know that iss a massive football fan. whichich is also suus if you're an American massive football fan.erman German Uorn Yeah That's why the whole bomb in Cambodia thing 's German isn't it? Right, That's it. Let's drop Napalm on. Yeah. So they were pearls Pelle and Henry Kissinger were best mates and Kissinger tries to basically is the missing link in, you know, we knowember when Pelle goes to America, the New York Cosmos. Yeah. Kissing just get gets Yeah. broke. We know how they met Kissinger just came to the I think just isn't the talk of Kissinger Because you're in Chile, I think. Yeah, he had he had some business in the region at the time. Yeah righting junters to meet exactly. They met in nineteen twenty four host out of the Sao Paulo and he sought out Pllate to pers him to come out of retirement Isn't he sat in like with all the families when they win it or something? Kiss? Yeah Anyway. HeA high pointers nineteen seventy, Th then this is when theort the game becomes really commercial Uh And he goes on to like be the face of Coke and Viagra And he's in What's to escape the victory. I've never seen I've se clips of it. No, me neither. It's got C ofor in it.s kind of cras. Gordon Bobbyoo in it and Gordon. It'seer they're playing against Nazis. Yeah. ye Yeah It just seems to I can't really wrap my head around the premise to be honest. Sylvester Stallone, Michael Kain, Pelle it's not. I mean I mean I'm watching that So Pelle retires in nineteen whatever And then yeah, nineteen seventy seven with the mad goal record that's a bit. Yeah. so what's going on there? Well five hundred of his thirteen hundred goals were scored in exhibition matches, which is soccerade Yeah it's like Lee Mac and Steve Bartlet in England.ers Chunks. That does also make me doubt Pelle's chagging numbers as well thenough, becauseally was posted, posting a thousand. Is that his number? I don't know how many was that if you're counting goals in friendly, are we counting Gats I think goats go wasn't an exhibition sex Yeah It was for charity as well. it was like that Donkey sanctuary. He said goodood forwards only scores they have sex the day before Oh good. they all say that don't they. Well there two camps. Yeah. there was one, I think it's a later Chr One of these Who was it? someone someone someomeone scored I think it was ninet four World Cup final, Brazilian who scored in scored like a goal in the Wor Cup final and they asked him like an interview afterwards, like what's your secret? And he saids goodood night, goodood night shagging the night before And his wife was watching back at home in Brazil. his woke up was in like America to me America. Yeah.o.arrio, was' it? Brilliant. Divorce the next there So Pelle just wrap up his story. He gets an honorary Knighthood by the Queen in nineteen ninety seven because he's he's honorary because he's a non speed Brazilian. Right yeahes Well just an honorary nightood Yeah You know, you can't be Sir James Savill because you weren't born here We like what you're doing abroad. He's named Athletes of the century by the IOC.Qe, I was born to play football just like Beethoven was born to write music and Michelangelo was born to paint I think fair enough, I mean, nineteen seventy is the when you see that thing he does where runs across he runs past the ball. Yeah. And I mean, what I love this era football because it's the first time these things are happening. And so or they've been captured in Well, no no the first time' like the first the first c I've turned Yeah you see the people's reaction Yeah They're like it's like a car too Yeah. It's like the first time people heard synth music. they were like, Yeah when you know, when deaf people you can They hear again at that moment where they like cry exactly. That's the first cry turn. Yeah. Nobby Starars wasn't doing that. No. no. So let's just get to nineteen seventy four, which was in West Germany Uh and This is held as an intense time globally The post this is like the oil OPEC crisis. the e post seventy four censors We're on our knees. We are on our knees.. Heath's in, three day workings turned the light off. They ye they turn fickers on strike. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. notot quite yet. hand seventy nine, seventy eight So I think Britain England don't qualify for this. Yeah I mean it's pretty bleak. Yeah. you don't even have that Be the thing is as we've learned from all of these, if your country can get sport success, you can like wash all our failures. Yeah. We had nothing to wash away our failures. We couldn't evenat sports up We had nothing. No We were shit of cricket as well. Yeah we fucked up the seventy World Cup, We were too nill up against Germany, it got knocked out. The English Hroshima. Yeah. off course. low the low begins. the England have England have quite snooker it. the snu quite. Yeah. and it does cheapen the analogy. Yes, it's true. mean It's Hiroshima after It's Hiroshmara after another Hiroshima So East Germany make their debut seventy four the only World Cup they qualify for and they beat West Germany, the hosts, one Nil, huge victim of communism. but mainly this This is about the Dutch team This is my favorite team to watch is early total football where they just basically tear up all the rules, switch positions and no one can handle it because they must been playing systems. And Croiff is the person who inspired PP the most. Y the lineage that' still seen today fully. Crof says a perfect game ends Nil Nil What do he mean by that? Because he means that If you're playing football properly, you don't concede a goal Yeah, that's I thought was the other one free flowing. Yeah. No it's all based on not conceding and keeping the ball. If you keep the ball, the other team can't score is possession football possession football But there's a great quote quote by It it was David Winner who wrote book called Brilliant Orange, which I read years ago. There wass a great quote that the total football of the Dutch team was It was like the Beach boys, the hippie movement, swinging sixties and the death of John Lennon all in one tournament. in the Dutch play this amazing round of football get to the final. score in the first minute and then West Germany w and they don't you know, it's like the Dutch still go on about this as there this is the Dutch Rroshma. Well they was there was like there was like a sabotage thing the week before the final because they the Dutch players had this like pool party at their hotel few days before the final and Pase Girls like joined them in the pool, like took their tops off. I had a great night, like slipped off with the Dutch players And it then turned out that they been hired by Bild, you know the German tabloid paper And the day like the night the day of the World Cup final the day before the World Cup final, they did this page spreads like with the headls like cry champagne, naked ghs swimming pool and it cause like a massive stir and Apparently the night before the final All the Dutch players were just on in their hotel on their phone to the wives Croy was up u tntil like three or four in the morning wanted to ex the Wld Cup Fighter the next day quuing for the pain. she just like put them in the dog house. put the whole team in the do stitch them up. Y work. It's pretty good We do it for our own teamit really. Exactly. That's true. That's what we do at all man behind bin. You ordered me to go and fuck that grandma behind the bin. You can't be putting sexy grannies out like that and expect me not think it's gonna to happen. What do you think is gonna happen Bad day to be a grandma. That's. my Roononey, He's not the most discerning Saga That's why I like there's parntty to it What because you gr a bliss school sort of it' is just more like he p ex out of Gannyashion, would you Yeah, but it's just more like he doesn't seem like he's not he's not very vapid with the how women look or anything like that. it's just purely Yeah shging just sh doesn't matter who it is, doesn't matter how old they are the other way He's the opposite of the nonance. He's only shagging like ninety year olds. Yeah. If you're chasing Pelle's numbers then you got to be.t you' got to beome every whatever you. Yeah, you' got to really be getting load of numbers in those kind of You' got Cakeup for parade. Yeah. You've got a pre season tour of the care homes in America So Netherlands sorry, Netherlands the best team to not win the World Cup, right? They've been in three World Cup finals Yeah But but I suppose, you know, that's the best country. This is the best team. Yeah in this is like revolutionary style of football. someome of the best players that ever play the game. Who else was in that apart from Cro anyone else I actually I'd never heard of any of them. I think they were great in their e But also this is the based off the IAX team which dominated the European Cup. Yeah. But this is at this point, the World Cup is still the pinacle of the game Yeah But I suppose in the nineties thousands it becomes the Champions League really. Wh you wouldn't the Champions League is the pinn of the game compared to theorld Cup now? Yeah, in terms of the quality quality of the competition the club team is better now the national team. Yeah you're probably right. But I still think the prestige of the World Cup means more. Anyway, we're going to leave this episode here in our next episode. The Uhot boys will still be there and we'll be talking about Maradonna South American dictatorure comes in. The handand of God, the Falklands. the whole thing favorite episode is good It's an absolute South American disgrace the next episode. They should be a shame of themselves. That's already on our Patreon where you can pay three pounds a month and get instant access to series. We'll also be doing a bonus episode with Zach and Jack about hooliganism And the Hazel disaster, which is the Liverpool one that we can make jokes about Yeah. I'm on tour in Liverpool. Anyway That's on the patron and if we'll see next time for the continuation of the World Cup story from everyone here Goodbye