The Future of Real Versus AI Creators

Audible subscribers can binge all episodes of On Fantasy early and ad free Join Audible today by downloading the Audible app or by subscribing on Apple podcasts Bye I The beginning of August of last year Gracie called me up to vent. I've cooled down a little bit since yesterday But Yeah, my rose color glasses are becoming clearer During our months long crash course in the ways of Only Fan success Gracie had begun wondering if she was leaving money on the table So she had recently made a strategic business decision to remove the five dollars monthly subscription fee from her O fans page It would now be free to join, but more expensive to buy content Because I think as soon as people just see a paywall, they're like, nah I don't want to, I mean, so many of these people are so cheap Sure enough, Gracie's page quickly went from one hundred and sixty subscribers to over seven hundred It was an experiment that seemed to be working But then, Gracie noticed something about her new subscribers A lot of them We're assholes. I've had people who will not buy a six dollar post because they're like, if it doesn't have, you know, hole in it thenen I'm not paying six dollars. And I was like, dude As you may remember, Gracie's handle on O fans was professional girlfriend So she was used to new subscribers opening with softer, more romantic messages like, wow, you're so beautiful. happappy to be here. Lots of exclamation points and kissy face emojis One guy had even introduced himself by bashfully admitting that he was thirty two and liked to collect Pokemon cards. And while Gracie told me that some of the new subscribers were also sweet A lot of them came aboard and immediately started making demands Hey, I want to see this in this. Hey Do do this? Hey do you, blah blah, blah. And I'm like, I'm not A drive through Gracie showed me screenshots of her DMs with these new subscribers, and I was surprised to see the tone shift from the messages she had shared previously One of these guys opened with, let me fuck you Another one called her a whore. And naturally, one guy just said, showhow me your pussy Then look on one hand, I I know I shouldn't feel precious because I am putting myself out there You know, it's the same way that I feel like I probably can't be offended by mean comments that I get on my standup clips But on the other hand, I'm like, how do people talk to anyone like this? I don't even talk to chat GPT like this. I say thank you to AI. How are you talking to me like this? When Gracie started her Only Fans account, she was mainly getting subscribers through her stand upp comedy page on Instagram ese were men who were already fans of her sense of humor and felt like they knew her a little bit and we were therefore more likely to see her as a human being But these new guys, freeloaders, as Gracie called them, were clearly not on that same page. I've been posting like, hey guys, thank you for being patient. I now have seven hundred subscribers. And this asshole comes at me just being like, hey, not to sound like an asshole too late You know, you're not getting back to me on this and that So like what's the deal Basically, I'm not conversing with him enough. And then I also had someone else accusing me of having chatters So I posted a whole video saying hey guys, it's me. Tust me, if I did have chatters, I'd be responding to you guys a lot faster. So you can have one of two things. I can either hire chatters and you guys can all get what you want faster or you can talk to me and wait like good boys So this guy, you know, and I give him this whole lengthy explanation, which I thought would elicit some kind of empathy. like, hey, I'm a full time day job. I'm doing this, I'm doing that. I'm cutting down on messages And he just kept a gutub, blah blah, blah, blah, blah. And I say, hey, man, also, like You've spent twenty dollars on me. I just checked And he's like Oh, and this is the thing. Oh, now the rage is coming back. This is the thing that got me the most is he goes, I'm not going to pay to get your attention or beg for content. And I was like Paying for my attention is literally the point of this platform So I basically told him, I was like, hey, you can go somewhere else. You are not spending enough money to be making these demands. I'm sorry. should And he goes, well, I've spent five hundred dollars on other models. so it's not that I'm cheap. And I go, then wow. Then go and I just blocked him and then freaked out that this person is gonna like retaliate in some way by finding my content and leaking it or reporting my Instagram or something. It's like I didn't want him in my space, but it's scary to block people. It's scary to block upset men. Ever since meeting Gracie, I'd been surprised and maybe also a bit concerned at how fearless she was with her digital presence She'd been comfortable linking to her O fans page from her Instagram posted under her real name and advertised tour dates that let everyone know where she would be on a given day This was maybe the first time I heard her sound a little spooked She was now seeing a darker side of the platform It's just such a vulnerable thing And it's just crazy to me. that people don't have basic empathy That's, I think what it is where they think they're they're paying for the privilege of work. and I'm sorry to have empathy. Look I am not gonna stand that for anyone. I don't care how much you're paying, let alone you giving me twenty dollars twenty. There are these angry, entitled men out there who just can't handle a no, even if it's polite and reasonable. and really scares me The fact of the matter is, there are a lot of angry men on the internet and a lot of that anger is directed at women And as it turns out, in recent years, a lot of that anger has been directed specifically at women on only fans Take these only fans girls brains. P an aL body, these could be in poverty bro. because they don't have any real tangible skills. They're not entertaining, they're not funny, they're not cool They don't teach their audience anything. Thud are just watching because they're ss supportpporting this series, I spent a few more hours than is probably good for me diving into the so called Manosphere. a loose network of Reddit boards, YouTube channels, and of course, podcasts where men preach to other men about gender roles, relationships, and self optimization I'dve been aware of the mananosphere, but what I wasn't prepared for was just how fixated some of these guys were on only fans in particular due ait serious effects on women and the men who spend their money to talk to them Some of the critiques I found in the manosphere sounded almost like religious sermons Does God want you to stick it in your mouth? Is that what God wants you to do? When you talk to God, does he say gobble up Is that what he says Others take the form of debates in which male podcasters and streamers invite creators onto their platforms in order to belittle them, yell at them about how high value men would never want to date them or start a family with them. The amount of money that you two girls are making are only fans, is it worth giving up a family and love? Because any man that is worth his fucking salt that you would even be attracted to wouldn't put up with. I can tell you right now you my dear are a depreciating asset My takeaway after Leon shared a bunch of this vitil with me was not only do we only fan creators have no hope of finding a husband, we don't deserve one, because we're evil for taking advantage of weak men. And that includes the men these mammosphere guys are trying to reach Cracy, do you remember this gem from the massively popular streamers, Zurka and Sneako? It's very funny that you get in your moral high grround about the saying that we're the scum of the earth and that we appeal to incel fans. At least we're actually trying to bring him faith trying to give them value, try to give them real. But Joh to save them from you taking their money before they kill themselves. We give them a real message. You jiggle your tits and pretend you don't insire into your get replaced Being introduced to the likes of Zurka and Sneako left me wondering whether I've been too precious and idealistic about this whole thing. The dream that creators like me are sold is that we have control over what we put out there. We can run our own pages. We keep eighty percent of the money We can sell whatever content we want for as much as we want to sell it for But with this influx of unhinged and aggressive guys in my DMs, I had to ask myself What amount of money justifies being berated by hordes of indignant men Is this worth it We say that every person has their own price? I believe in this I believe in this If at some point the guy comes and sayays, okay, I will give you fifty K to suck my dick I will immediately analyze and the sucking a dick is like You will never kill me becausecause A lot of perses are doing this every day and you don't see them dead fififty k fifty K. There is no place for pride. Yes, a little honor, it's okay, but I don't have pride This is O Fantasy, Episode five Water, wind, and stupid Whether you're exploring your fascinations or discovering new ones, Audaible has stories that will introduce you to your most fascinating self. 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You can also listen to the full season of the spy who betrayed the American Revolution Early and ad free on audible We are in a dot industry. thingsings never stop You don't see guy stop jerking off because this is crisis. Fuck off. You think it's recession proof? Of course it's recession proof. If there are no bullets flying by your head You arere going to jerk off. We found Bogdan Dumitresku's name while researching only fans management companies. He was quoted in a Reuters series called Only Fans Exposed, talking about why men, not women make the best chatters Bogdown's company, which provides various services to only fans models and management companies, is based out of Bucharest, Romania He says he grew up outside the city in a poor Jewish family, and that his dream was always to become a millionaire His parents tried to help him by putting him in touch with successful businessmen so he could ask them for advice. And I asked them what to do to become a millionaire? I said, O, see what you are good at and do this for thirty years And ask, okay, come on thirty years it's a lot of time Like I see you you are eighty right now. You are almost dead There is no help for me to become a millionaire where I will be sixty or eighty and I will not not be able anymore to run to see to hear After college, Bogdan did briefly try his hand at a traditional career and got a job as a software engineer at Hewt Packard's Romanian office But he didn't even last two months because it just wasn't enough for him I couldn't stay there for a fucking paycheck becausecause they give me one thousand five hundred euro Fucking paycheck. And I didn't see any kind of projection where in my life I could become a millionaire taking one thousand five hundred per month and doing reports and IT evaluation, shit. I wanted to become a millionaire. This is what I wanted for me, not working for somebody else's dream I working for my dream regardless of what you think about the adult industry Bagdan is an undeniable success story His mother now works for him, heading up the legal division of his business From the sound of it, Bogdan's company does all the boring parts of Only Fans's administration that frankly, I wish someone would do for me. Contracts, payroll, legal stuff But it would be wrong to portray Bhghdan as a mere bureaucrat passionate about his work, and has been since the first time he logged onto a campsite as an eighteen year old in nineteen ninety eight and saw a live feed of a naked woman In ninety eight, I didn't know about anything about video chat, nothing I was just looking for porn on the internet like any normal guys would do. And I was using a dial up connection And I saw a website like free Live Naked Gl Cick there And I entered that website and there was a girl in front of me with a webcam And I was saying, arere you life? Yes, I'm liive Oh fuck. I was dead I was dead when I saw this And of course, immediate okay. show pussy. Immediately. Night my first my first show pussy and she was a real person. She was saying can you say at least please That sounds very real. That's what I say to my subscriber too. I go, we use our big words, okay? You can probably tell from our laughter, we kind of liked Bogdan, or at least we found him entertaining. He was uninhibited But also, in this moment, he reminded me of the guys I was complaining to Leon about on our phone call going straight to show Pussy Bagdan was one of those problematic dudes But now he's in the business and making millions. And honestly, that might be one reason why he's been able to make millions For better or for worse, Bagdan knows what these guys are thinking. It also doesn't hurt that he's from Romania, which produced some of the earliest cam girls on the internet The first webcam models come from Romania Because put a poor country with poor person but with the ability of learning, Give them internet. They' showing ts immediately because Ts on camera means money. Fast Because they were not prepared to speak English. Nobody was speaking English, but ks, they don't speak. They speak by themsel So put kids on the camera, put us on the camera, money will flow Bogdan wandered into the camming business by way of a job fixing computers The guy asked him to come out to his office and take a look at his setup He drove him out there in a Mercedes S class and walked him into a space that Bhghdan described as looking like a Pakistani brothel I'm having a hard time picturing that interior design aesthetic Pakistani brothel isn't really on my pinterest board, but Bogdan told us that there were a bunch of workstations separated by red curtains. When Bogdan was done with his repairs, the guy who ran the place paid him in cash And then Bogdon just kind of stuck around Pretty soon he moved beyond fixing computers and started learning how everything about the caming business worked I was starting to learn from the girls in the studio because the girls that were there They were making a lot of money and these girls were making about two thousand dollars per day Bear D sick amount of money They can buy a car in one week of operation Eventually, Bhagdan started his own camming operation And by two thousand eight, he was overseeing three separate studios It was all very professional indndustrial even. There were one hundred and fifty models every day. So fifty models per shift. We were working three shift The morning shift, afternoon and night shift The shift It was eight hour They' starting from six in the morning. till two PM The second shift from half past two until ten o'clock PM And then I shift from eleven PM seven in the mor Fog Dwn's company was part of a booming Romanian industry By twenty thirteen, the country was reportedly home to an estimated two thousand webcam studios That year, a vice reporter said that Romania was essentially the red light district of the internet Keep in mind, this was all before only fans, which expanded Bogdan's business even further when it blew up during the pandemic It was like a fresh breath of air When the pandemic started, we needed to close the studio and send all the models home And then we put computers all around to give computers to the model, arange internet connections. It was like two or three months, very hard. A lot of problems And then we heard about only fans And the only fense was like, ah, you don't need to go online a specific time, you just create content and it was like, o, I believe this solves this issue Right now we have powerful models that are doing great money on only fence like fifty K dollars per day. This is a lot of money per day Bad day yes Crazy, I beginning to see why you wanted to change your business model. That is A lot of money. Yeah, those kind of numbers are very tempting, but I'm not sure I could bring myself to do it the buggedon way We have robots that with the AI systems that go on tinder and fool everybody, every guys from Tinder that I'm a beautiful girl and I want to fk you tonight Oh girl want to fuck me? Yes, I want to fuck. Yes, yes yes, click here You need to follow this link in order to get my details and herard dails there only fence and you need to subscribe for just five dollars I need five dollars because then the Indian guys will come and take the other four hundred by Indian guys, Bagdan means his army of low wage chatters He is, let's say, not a sentimental man when it comes to talking about groups of people And as he would tell you, he loves his Indian guys. Some of his best friends are Indian guys They are coming from the poooor countries. In the poor country, they develop very fast skills like English skill, computer skill, and they can be trained in a matter of days And it's a boy that knows how another guy is thinking and is selling. He doesn't put any kind of heart, any kind of soul, notothing he iss a killing machine According to Bogdan, I should have three to four killing machines, AKA chatters, AKA Indian guys working for me Otherwise, I'm wasting my time and also exposing myself to well exactly what I got as soon as I dropped my paywall You need somebody to chat instead of you because you are a girl And the girl sings first with her emotional part And imagine that the guy will give a comment you are asking twenty dollars for this kind of movie. comeome on, Bch, other girls are cheaper than you And at some point you try to kill him Because you feel this in your heart, because you are a girl B been there guilty guilty. And then comes Indian guy He's paid like two dollars per hour And he must sell four hundred dollars for each user They don't care. you are a bitch, you are ugly. Yes, I know, I'm ugly Sorry, I'm ugly. Can you buy this picture, please? And if you buy this feicture, I give you the last two videos, which are better than what you see right now It's an Indian guy You know, India they are trying to sell all the time. They are good at this. Putting aside the offensive ethnic stereotyping here, I felt like I needed to get Bogdan's take on my own dilemma i. e, how to make real money while not giving up the thing that I think has made my only fans successful. I have a confession bogged in. you're gonna call me stupid, okay? So not today. I have a smaller only fans. I probably have like eight hundred followers, managed it all myself. And the thing is, my issue is I actually do care about a lot of these subscribers. L I talk to them myself every day I know their pets' names and their, you know where they live and what they do. How much money do you make per month? This month, I'm doing eleven K eleven K. this is called normal. normal income. Yeah. It's normal. thats it And this is maybe because You care about them They care a lot about you. I don't know. maybe this is your way of being. This is how you feel that it's okay to do. We have models caring a lot for the members, even when the old guy died died from well canancer, I don't know something an illness The girl was going to the church and light a candle for that guy Because truly She feled something from that guy. It was an old guy, but he was there for her all the time. And d Yes, maybe it's working, but I see just numbers because as a guy I'm an engineer, I need to see mathematics. We are here to do business. Business means move, money, create a brand, do something Yeah If I involve my heart in this My heart is full, my pockets are not full. maybe at some point You are in that stage. maybe it will take I don't know, more years of life, more Maybe you'll need some more money at some point for a new house for something else. No, that's not it. Boggdon, I'm in my thirties and I'm like ninety K in debt. So I don't there's something I can't I don't know. I can't like fuck these guys over. Yeah. You know There are three aspects in life always available. Water, wind and stupid You see? all available elements of nature W air and stupid people becausecause they are being born every day. new stupid people are being bored every day. So if you don't collect the money from these guys I will collect the money from these guys. I will make millions and you still stay in debt There is a place in your life when you need to put like, okay Let me choose stay in debt, get out of debt or even thrive and go millionaire But something must change Otherwise you just stay there and Leave Until this opportunity is no longer available to you And here Bagdan went for the jugular If you are telling me that you are in your thirteen I tell you that you are over the normal age for this Hving eighteen to twenty years old, this is where you want to be right now. because the most of the guys pays for underage So you must be eighteen and looking like a fourteen U No. I hate that Gracy, what were you thinking at this point in the interview? Okay, I was disgusted by Bagdon at this point, but there was also a little part of me that was kind of jealous of him He has this complete lack of moral compass, and that's what makes him a killing machine. Yeah My reaction was like don't want the things this man is saying to be true, but I'm worried that they are Bogdan definitely thinks we are all more like animals than we would like to believe and As a Russian, I'm actually very familiar with this mindset. It's like very Eastern European like This is how things are and this is how they will always be. And we haven't even gotten to the part where he gave us his very Eastern European theory of American men. Oh yeah, this was a very Cold War. He said that most of the revenue his clients bring in comes from the United States because American guys are basically hardwired to be simps. American guys they are the perfect opportunity for these models because American guys are more about heart. They have a good heart, a big heart. becausecause the living in America was better than in our countries In our country, we've been in multiple wars. The Russian came, the German came, everybody came all over us and destroyed our country I've been robbed I've been cheated That's why right now I'm a soldier. You want to take money from me? Good luck You are to build. Bet world You lived in a world when you have from the moment you were a kid, Tila, you have a hot shower in her house. You have a house And you have hot water. I didn't have this When I was young until my ten, the hot water was available only two hours, two days per week Because of this, you are softer and high your heart is bigger than ours Because our heart is we have double rib cage to protect our heart. So what happens when you take our soft American boys and expose them to only fans The platform that puts emotional connection at the center of its business model. According to Bhagdan, it's like shooting fish in a barrel Most of the guys that goes on only fence think that at some point They will meet that person. They think it's more accessible to them. Where are you from? I from USA? Which part are there This means we are like one hour drive. They are all trying to meet. think in their head that the model belonged to them They were to control They want to be part of something nice. And this something nice is getting in the life of a real person. And this is only fans racy, I wonder how Bogdon's theory of American men squares with our buddies Sneako and Zura from the Mmosphere. Yeah. Well, I feel like Sneako and Zurka, sorry, I can't say their names with a straight face, but I feel like they'd agree with him about quite a bit, right? Except they think it doesn't apply to them because they've taken the red pill and now they know better than to fall for Bogdon's tricks or something? I think that's right. And in fact, there's a whole strain of manosphere content that comes from guys I would call bogged on wannabees Have you heard the term e pimps? Oh yeah, the bottom feeders OF managers who live in their parents' basement instead of the creator's ink house, and they send creators spammy DMs promising to increase their revenue by tenfold Right. And you actually see a lot of warnings on the Only Fans addvice board on Reddit from women who have been contacted or even scammed in this way I guess it's not very surprising that these guys are out there What's more interesting, I find is that a lot of them are actually targeting other men by offering to train them for a price, of course, in the art of e bimping. The dream these guys are selling usually in low budget YouTube videos is basically, hey bro, isn't it unfair that women can just go on only fans and make a million dollars by taking off their clothes Now you can get in on the game He guysys, I just purchased a management rights for an only Fans creator from this official creative marketplace for one hundred and fifty dollars. I sent her twenty trends to hop on and her Instagrams gained over eight million views in the last seven days. and one of her videos hit over six million views and we made over five thousand dollars in the very first week. I charge her fifty percent for this service and here's proof for payment. In fact, I made over two hundred thousand dollars last month Repeating the same steps with over fifty creators So that was an ad basically from a pretty random guy we found on YouTube But some of these ePMps have gained a real following G Gracy, you're familiar with Andrew Tate? Yes, I am, and I was really hoping we could make it through this podcast without talking about him Sorry If you don't know who Andrew Tate is, consider yourself lucky. He's a self proclaimed misogynous influencer. and one of his core beliefs is that women are property I don't think there's anything intrinsically wrong with women doing o things as long as I had influence to control over it What name Do the be a photrapher get the angles you. Noah,ah,. Not doing any real work, but just like taking all the money If my chick said I want' to do only fans, I'm all right, they cool go do it how much you made eight ten grand or I give me, or it cool. My would woman is gonna to give you eight grand? You're my woman, you're doing only fans, you're selling my product. the fuck. Your products. Yes, correct That was Andrew Tate on a podcast in June of twenty twenty two In December of that year, he was arrested on suspicion of human trafficking, rape, and forming an organized crime syndicate. And where was he arrested? Romania. brother were running a webcam studio insinuating anything here about Bogdan, but the Tate Brothers were allegedly forcing women to do only fans content against their will and profiting off of it. Ugly, ugly stuff Well, Leon, the good news is that we're now seeing a new iteration of the EPIM. Gu that are making millions and don't even need women to do it At least not real ones Whether you're exploring your current fascinations or discovering new ones, Audawell has all the stories that'll introduce you to your most fascinating self. Tap into a whole new world of heated conversations with a saucy romantasy series. beccome your friend group's sci fi expert on the latest blockbuster book to screen adaptation Or find unexpected reveals through the exclusive episodes of a viral true crime podcast. However you choose to listen, Audible keeps you fascinated, so you can be just as fascinating. 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I'm kiding Hi, prorofessor. Hi guys, pleasure meeting you. Wh should we call you Should we call you prorofessor? Yeah, prorofessor, is probably the best. Yeah. Professor. Okay. How about the professor? That sounds better, right Leon and I spoke with the professor late on a Wednesday night in October of last year He's known online as Professor EP. The professor takes his anonymity very seriously When he posts Instagram videos, he wears a rather creepy black and white mask that covers his entire head He did tell us that he was in his twenties and was obviously a male He kept his camera off when we interviewed him, so we couldn't see his face In this very moment, I'm sitting in my penthouse in you Actually. Oh, okay. I have a pretty nice view in front of me. It's very close to Changgu. I'm sure maybe you heard of it before Leon had not heard of Changu before. but now that we've both had a chance to Google it, it turns out Changgu is a beach town in Bali known for surfing, wellness retreats, and the digital nomads who enjoy such things You have access to almost everything I would say that is hyped on social media So you can do cold plunges, have a pool in the gym, sauna like IVs, everything that's related to health in a hype way Before he relocated to Bali, the professor told us, he lived a pretty average life in a German speaking country. He refused to be more specific than that, but I think there're only like three, right? I'm pretty sure he's just from Germany.. But in any event, in twenty twenty three, the professor found himself spending a lot of time exploring all the ways he could use Chat GPT which have been unleashed on the public the previous year I mean, same. And I guess kudos to him for seeing a business opportunity while I was mostly just asking it for relationship advice, which it was pretty good at. Well, the real opportunity occurred to him when Chat GPT introduced the ability to generate images The professor experimented with asking it to generate images of humans, just to see how realistic they could look gave him an idea Why not create an AI generated woman Beautiful woman put her on Instagram And it was new I don't think social media has seen it before time That's why I thought Maybe I can get some traction around it or people are maybe interested in it. The professor called his AI generated model, Emily Pellegrini, hence Professor EP When he talked about asking a computer to conjure up a woman from scratch, I couldn't help but think of that eighties movie Weird Science. It's been a while for me, but yeah, I don't think it's too far off. In that movie, the two teen boys look through magazines like Playboy and Bogue and pick and choose body parts they like from different models and then feed them into a computer to create the perfect woman And from the sound of it, that's basically what Professor EP did I wondered if you're trying to create what you think is going to be a successful influencer on Instagram What exactly do you tell the AI you want I just had the assumption that European beauty standards, let's say Italy in Emily's case tend to work very well. And what I noticed in the beginning is that if I make images with bigger boobs, I get better engagement Yeah, was pretty straightforward. so as as more sexy as an image. be as more engagement I would have It was I think the core inside. I gonna you. Boobs to followers. cllassic. that will teach you more than business school ever would Once Emily started amassing followers, the professor decided to monetize and try to push her to subscription platforms like Oly Fans and a competitor site called FanView Crucially, FanView allowed AI generated creators on its platform, whereas only Fans never has At that time, photos were pretty easy to make But AI wasn't good at producing realistic looking videos yet. If the professor wanted to give subscribers a lifelike moving image of Emily, he had to get creative, in maybe a not quite legal way We took videos of very successful On fence creators that they posted on social media that looked similar from a facial structure and from the hair and maybe the buddody type to Emily. and we just facewopped her face on it. And I know that's maybe not the right thing to do and kind of like copyright and all these problems. but back in the days, we didn't even care. We generated massive amounts of traffic through that strategy becausecause obviously, we took winning pieces of content and just recreated them Stool them. yeah Once the professor realized he should probably stop stealing content He leveraged some of his contacts within the Only Fans management community to make a licensing deal with a successful Only Fans creator There's a person out there running a big only defense account and she has a share and she she earned portion of money with the account of Emily because she was incentivized getting a percentage of the revenue for providing seven hundred and fifty pieces of content, masturbation, everything you can imagine And then we swapped Emily's face on it. And that was how we were able to monetize on the highest level possible. becausecause we had real ne content Everything about this newude pieces that we sold were real Beside the fact that we swaaped the face In a very startu sort of move fast and break things way, the professor put Emily's content on Instagram without ever labeling it as AI. There wasn't any regulation since it was all brand new, and he said he didn't really even think about it She immediately got the attention of male Instagram users who certainly seem to think she was real. I think the people who are in this space and who are likely to subscribe to an onlyn Fence girl, they are having a certain feed due to the algorithm on their phone And I think they see a lot of women and I think They don't think so much bonus When they scroll And yeah evenven with the lowest quality that we ever had There was a good portion of people who thought she's real started texting her or wanted to go on a date or Stuff like this. And when you say text thatter, you mean like they would DM her on Instagram. Yeah, one hundred percent say, Oh, you're so cute or send flames on the stories and stuff like this. It just open up the conversation from a flirty perspective kicked it off that way Pretty soon, the professor started the accs for more AI models including a sister for F Emily Pellegrini named Fiona. And you won't be surprised at this point to hear that he also hired a team of Filipino chatters to respond to his paying subscribers All these crazy guys come in there Like, Hey I want to see your feet I I want to see this I pay you fifty dollars And they go crazy and they just takepe your money and they' like, oh, you're so sexy and just handsome. Obviously it's crazy. I' never seen this before Totally absurd if you don't come from the sinistry You cannot even believe that on this scale, stuff like this is happening And in reality, it People are nasty what they want to have. it's It's really disgusting. I was taking a lot of screenshots and selling them to friends. I was like, look at this guy Obviously we made so much fun of these people You cannot even imagine you what they want from you When males are aroused and driven by sexual things, they stop thinking I asked the professor if he had learned anything about men or humanity in general from his time as an AI pimp His answer was pretty simple I think the core realization was really just peopleople are so fucking stupid. that was the. bigiggest thought I had at the time I would say And I realized how much money you can make with a man If you give them what they need, whatever it is You can make a lot of money Most people are stupid Sound familiar He's carrying the Bogdan torch I wondered if he, like Bogdon, saw that as just how the world is or if, like me and Leon, found it extremely depressing Was there some part of you that makes you like Does it make you kind of sad at all? No And no. no Not at all, to be honest. Why not? I mean these emotions would not lead me anywhere I think I'm a person I have a lot of empathy, where I have a lot of empathy is like seeing poverty or people who just lost the lottery when there were Born and it's not their fault helping them or helping animals. I don't know why that's yeah, for me like This didn't make me sad at all. I was like, if he can spend fifty dollars on an image be okay Otherwise, he wouldn't do it, right? If he has access to internet and a phone and he's buying porn with his money, That means he's fine. Yeah. Probably is okay I mean, there are people who don't have food So I was like, if this American guy can pay it, he better pay You know So I wasn't sad at all no care. Honestly, it felt so easy. was so easy. was just asking for an image. Pingle injury and you send it to him And then there's the switch. in the front end like of the platform And it says from not paid, I think it was. and then it says paid. This was so good This was so good. Yeah So I mean, as a real human creator, I can confirm that feeling. It's very powerful. So you're a creator as well, if I'm allowed to ask. I am, yes, I am on only fans. Oh really. That's That's interesting, that's cool Somehow, I had failed to make clear when I told the prorofessor that Gracie and I would be interviewing him together, that she herself was an only fans creator He seemed kind of excited He immediately asked her for a link to her Instagram account so he could check out her content. Okay, my comedy content to clarify, I don't think you wanted to partner with me on fanview I mean, I wouldn't put it past him, but Also, it's important to say that the professor seems to have moved on somewhat from making money off of guys thirsting after his AI models This is in fact why he now calls himself the prorofessor Welcome. and congratulations By being here, you've taken the first step toward becoming a version of yourself that transcends the constraints of ordinary life A version that defies the beliefs held by the masses, a future self that thrives limitlessly. What you're hearing here is the introduction to Professor EP's AI influencer acccelerator course a series of videos that you can purchase for the low low price of forty seven dollars by visiting the cleverly named website pellegrinixposed. com. This influenza works for me twenty forty seven. She never asks for money. She never needs sleep. And yet in just six months, she made over one million dollars. That's because Emily And this Gracie is where we get back to the manosphere Because from what I can tell, the professor's new business model is teaching other people, other men do what he did. We live in the attention economy. If you can build an audience on social media, you can turn that attention into income Like Andrew Tate, for example, like him or not, his rise to massive wealth came from one thing, attention. So there you have it, full circle Wan to be the next prorofessor EP or the next Andrew Tate All you have to do to quote, escape the rat race and move to Bali is register for a suite of tools promoted by the AI Influencer Accelerator course pull a few attractive images from Instagram, invent an appealing persona, and start generating content As AI evolves, so does the potential of AI models. Your timing couldn't be better. If you've ever tried running an O fans agency, you know how frustrating it is to depend on real creators. They start strong, then drop off. Your revenue disappears with them. All your hard work, gone. With AI, you're in full control Are you able to say how how many people have signed up and have done the course? I think at this point's slightly more than ten thousand You hear that, Gracy? ten thousand AI pimps and counting. And that's just the guys who have signed up for this one online course. Right. And who knows how many emmilies each one of them has already generated On the one hand, my immediate thought was that none of these guys are going to make any real money But on the other hand, it did make me wonder if I'm missing out on the opportunity of a lifetime while wringing my hands about it You are someone who like, has very clear eyes about what's coming And your reaction is to sort of like partarticipate and see what you can make for yourself out of it, right? Whereas the rest of us maybe are going to be more passive participants in this and it'll just happen to us Yeah. Yeah, one hundred percent Yeah for us, it's like, The question how to get a billion dollars Get some bunkers, be safe, be free Whatever is coming, we are free But yeah, for the other people, it's different there It's a huge opportunity I mean, it's going to make a lot of millionaires No matter if you guys or I want it or not, it's going to happen anyway. So that's why I'm saying, okay I'd rather be the leader And have an impact on this stuff. and shape it a bit. and make money of it instead of just knowing that it's going to happen and sit on the sidelines and watch Watch it blow up You know, Yeah Does't make sense? Yeah You can probably hear in that feeble, yeah, how depressed this conversation was making me And it only got worse when the professor told us about a new AI tool that was about to launch. which would allow users to upload ten or so photos of anyone they wanted and generate supposedly realistic AI images of them. Fully nude