Chris Farley Stories and Practical Jokes

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Because he took such good care when redoing our basement that we knew we could trust him to care for our kids, B eightate of them. Should something happen to us Are you my dad now Uh no, sorry. I do basement Connecting homeowners with skilled pros for over thirty years. Angie, the one you trust to find the ones you trust. Find pros for all your home projects at Angieot com And I rememered he came in, he came in. he had seen Jaws at a theater in Times Square And he told me that his favorite thing about it was there there were guys in the audience during the scary scenes going Get him Jaws. I was constantly encountering Eddie Murphy. This was who was a featured player And he was just Going into everyone's office and being hilarious, and I rememember going to Jean and saying, you know Jana, there's the than any Merphury guy I mean, I don't think I'm this mad genius who's spoting something no one else can see. I think I think I can really Yeahy, I think you might want to put that guy on. Camera guy up. And her attitude, I remembered as being like, I think he needs a little season writer's assistant comes up to me, I'm at the head of the table and whispers to me just so you know Chris Farley is out in the hallway and he's completely naked. And so And so I told everyone, okay, Farley's gonna come in, you guys. He's gonna to come in naked. so it's vitally important that no one give in anything. No one react We just have to sort of go, Oh yeah, hey Chris, what's up Jim downowne are his second time with us it's scintillating, a return visit with the one andormally Jim Downey writer extraordinary from start Rf, Dav We always jump into it without saying too much because we just think everyone knows downowny. but he was our head writer while we were at SNL. He was one of the great writers from Harvard He did, I think the first five years of SNL. and then he went and did started Letterman. Yes was the first beginnings of shaping one of the greatest shows ever Letterman came back that's now and has been dabbling ever since. And I think he did A little work on Tommy Boy. I asked him about his rewrites and his movies and He's not been ever a funny dude and he is I'll one of our good buddies And we have a great laugh with them and learn a lot Yes Please welcome James Downey, Jim Downy better The rolling stones or the beatles. you have five seconds. me seriously considers itself It It reminds me of one time I was H we go. I was I was late at night. I was watching Dana Casey Caseum And it was like, It was like u We're counting down The greatest bands of the rock era Number three The Rolling Stone. Number two, The Beatles Won'llt be back With the greatest band of the rock those two. who remembember that? What are you journe Anyway, I was just flipping around and go, wait a minute. Number three, Wait a second. The Rolling stones. number two Number two, the be one Wellll be right back to around What's the number one ban in the history of Rck and Rll? What the fuck would be number one? And so I waited through like twelve minutes of commercials, you know. And And then finally I was like, would you please fucking get to the fucking number one? And was like The number one All right, number three The roolling stone.anas. Number two, the Beatles and the greatest band of the Rck era Qeen And I was just No. W that considered a joke No, Well, I mean I thought it would be like in the number one band of the Rock era, Golden Pony. They came out of Scotland and you know Herman and the Hermits. No, but a band that doesn't ever exist. Yeah. Anyway, I love doing KaseC K. what a great voice that guy had. maam. Did you know him?'s Yeah, are you friends with them still I saw him. my son one time at the Emmys. His wife was There was a greater height discrepancy between him and his wife than I've ever seen within a character. Who was taller or shorter The wife was probably six feet. to three feet taller. His wife was like one and he was like, w five Well, actually now I think about it Yeah she was probably only a foot taller, but still with heels. I just won a million dollars on poolymarket that you would start the podcast with a Casey Kaseom story Well, congratulations. I can tell the audience Jim was my boss in case they don't recognize him from his star turn in one battle after him I recognize well They may not. put This guy is not Jim Downey is an actor Yeah you're like a you were in the chair. You're all Paul Thomas Anderson movies. I don't know. what is it? You're like an actor, you're like a really funny good actor. I just thought to use a writer. And now you're hoging parts I am, I'm I'm I'm denying parts to way more deserving people and it's wrong. And, um, All I can say is, you know, A lot of the people that we've all worked with over the years are now like directing and writing and things. and I guess it amuses them to have me around on the set or something. It is No, no no. I see the antecedents. I think that your voice work in Change Bank kind of solidified this style that you have an under underpl. Well you underplay everything just on the edge of too much underplay, but like perfectly underplayed with not That's think noin And so that's its own charisma. Well who's a famous actor that would do that Might have been Henry Funda. Burlive. Well I don't say too much When I Burlive I say you remind me of Burlive That's always a good name to come up. You're kind of like u Broadrick Crawford If you ever get stopped in I'm looking more and more like him all the time. What do you mean? you look cute? No than you. You're jolly, cute. adorable. The thing is, I mean, I think the underplaying thing is because I don't have the acting chops to overplay, you know? I do like I do dry deadpand because dry dead That's sort of the the easiest thing to do And I think people who are capable doing more tend to do it, you know I'm like in in I'm idling . So basically you are and I'm not This is exactly who you are You are the modern. Gary Cooper. discuss O on on a kind of. I think you're wrong I'm trying to think Im trying to remember I' back with somebody cllassic Gary Koutinu. Well it high noon. He says like three words at a time over a twenty minute span. like he has three lines and he's very low key. I don't think we ought of good comedy We shouldn't be a going that way And then he doesn't talk for ten minutes. But being dry with no jokes is different than being. You're doing Right. You're doing it and it's funny like you sent me that thing of you It was Billy Madison, right? And you gave this The more dry and then the speech is kind of critical or aggressive, the actual words are serious You've lowered the IQ of every person here but with nothing given to it is its own. I just like it. I like it It always makes me laugh All right, Jim downown he's been our guest, the actor. You can always look him up on Wikipedia. He wrote for some comedy show. Okay, go ahead pondering No, I'm just I'm just listening to this and it doesn't make any sense that all this stuff ed at the same time and none of that is related to the other, you know, the the chair company. Well, the chair company is another great comedian, Tim Rums and, hilarious Talk to all that. talkalk to your late in life, quote unquote ing career in film. T Well They did The first thing sequentially would have been working with Paul Thomas Sanderson, you know, every every twenty years or so, He calls me up and says, I want there's something very specific that I need you for So like in two thousand six, I was in there will be bllood. Yes. I remember. And then U I was out sort of hanging around on the set later for inherent vice, which was like twenty fourteen or twenty thireen. Yeah. And then And then in, um, And then he he I got a call in early twenty twenty four about doing one battle after another, which at the time was called the BC proroject And then u Yeah got battle when you're on the set at lunch, you go I got battle tomorrow No, well, we have taken the calling at OB AA That be f. Yeah. So I was doing OBAA with PTA RP. You would have been great. One of the most disturbing movies I've ever seen and it is brilliant, but the theme of the movie that PTA did called Phantom Thread. I love fantom. It meditation on marriage is so dark' just You'd have to see the movie to understand it. But I was going to ask you about One battle after another. if you had that kind of subterfuse theme or does it have multiple themes? What are the main thingses because it's a lot of movies Yeah Crunch on. Yeah, there are so many different things going on moie. I mean, I guess We We the Christmas Adventurers Club kindind of the dry comic relief. Whereas Leonardo DiCaprio and Benicio del Toro were more were a little wetter You know? I mean, I thought Venincio was hilarious in that movie Yes pretty. Or BDT, as I call him. Oh yeah. Or Doro. Doro But he was just flat out funny and what we were doing was was dry counter. And Leo can play White hoto, let's look at the sky Yeah, to Jan Cal Leo The cap was LDC LD Sott. Dang, it's even better Once upon a time in Hollywood, he was a white hob mess, you know? And I'm in the little dick club, is that what you're talking about No. he's but he again, he was he was pretty funny when he was funny the Oh ye, no, his r is enormous. He can do whatever he wants. He's, you know, Were you a white supremacist? Was that sort of the situation that was u Yeah, that was the idea. I mean, I' you based it on your se another hit. Was it based on you, Jim, the white supremacy part? Was it based on you go, what would it be funny if we were on white supremacist I went through that phase. Yeah. everybody does. That was I think everyone does. ye. But you know then I grew out of it, then dabbled again. Yeah then grew out of it the second time. And it's been It's been a year and a half. Get caught up in a chat room Yeah, you know you late at night Jan was funny just walking crazy like this and especially toward the end when he's already when he wipes his scar and he's walking back like No, the his face was hilarious in the. I got to see him, you know, at both beforefore and after up close. All right Because Oh, you have the ending. Most of my important work in the film. A lot of the work is toward the end You have to stick around Well, you were at the Oscars too, right We did that. We We got your text. You were the Oscars too, right U I could have been. but I u No, D didn't you do a bit Ohes, we shot that. we shot that. Oh, it's We shot that I think couple epilogue Yeah. Yeah ye I remain One of the most surprising things I've ever been a part of was the fact that that actually made it on air Because you know, the thing with the Oscars is always that the one thing everyone knows about it is how it's always running long. they're always playing right off. I was sh. They and I I knew this had to be the very last thing on the show. And And I said, look, a Conan called me up, asked me to come out and do it. And I said, I'm happy to do it. this will be fun. but Don't kid donon't tell me that there's any possible to end up in this show.. And he said, Well, even if it if it doesn't, it's going to be online and I put more people see it online And then when I was there There was some representative from the accademy there and he said, Ohh, no, no Were definitely doing this. This is in for sure So okay It is weird. It's like after the Super Bowl the show, but actually the credits are usually Here's a winning Oscar movie Everyone runs on stage. Thank you, credit start up and it's like because that's the biggest one everyone's waiting for Sorry, we ran late. Goodbye and then it's gym scene and I'm like, oh, there's an addedene. I've never I don't know if I've ever seen that on the Oscar I don't I don't see the Oscars every single year. U I don't I don't I can't imagine there was ever like a An epilogue before. I didn't admit that. I enjoyed it immensely because I did not expect it And it took me a minute to kind of process what it was. And then I saw you and I went, okay, man And you were underpling and it' beautiful. The onlyn thing I can do isis Spencer Tracy would kind of underplay a lot too. He was ten not, you know, demonstrative. And Clin Eastwood, you're like an early Clin Eastwood. But anyway, let's get back There you go. Let's get on the topic of what we're what you've got to get in on the podcast had a documentary. It's on Peacock. What's it called Downey wrote that. That's right That is a that is a big phrase you hear. So a highly well received documentary aboutb your existence as a prereme sketch comedy writer Your words Your words, not mad. Actually not my words They're the words of. Did I get that right They're the words of Andy Breckman whose idea was Yeah. Oh Andy Breckman? Yeah, Andy writer We cameame SNL writer and I met every writer at Letterman. And in eighty two, eighty three, eighty four And And then he went to Saturday Night Lve after Letterman And um We shared an office for a year there, the year with Marty Short and Chris Gast, Larry David was there Anyway, his Larry's Andy's wife is a documentary filmmaker And the two of them had sort of been pushing this idea for a very long time since like two thousand six. and then finally U I was not anxious to do it for a variety of reasons. But finally The pressure became a little too great, starting around like twenty, twenty, twenty, twenty one So it happened. Well, I did't never see you as u vain at all or a vanity You were you were actually c you were just behind the scenes. You were Jim downowney. So this is like And it' psychologically like all this exposure Is that was like you said, there were a number of reasons. Was it energy? Was it like, I'd rather just let it lay and let the world discover me? or what was your pushback Um a lot of it had to do with the fact that In the beginning, the first you know, ten years it was being pushed, I was working at the show And I just thought it would be a really bad idea while you're there while I'm there with the, you know, the And then afterwards kind of wanted to get away from from the thing, you know, the show and show biz and everything. And then right when they really cranked up the pressure and basically said, we're going to make your life a living hell unless you agree to do this I had I was one of the first people to get COVID I got I got COVID in in December of twenty nineteen And I was like a mess. And I wasn't ahead I a vacation at Wuhan or what's that about? Yeah. It actually was I was flying back from Charleston And I was waiting The night of december second, twenty nineteen at Kennedy Airport Waiting in the rain And I was the only accccidental in a group of like two hundred peopleople who had just gotten off a flight from Wuhan. real serious I'm absolutely because I looked at up like Wuhai stop No Aamarllo. I just noticed it was this it was an odd thing. Like, Jeeesz, did I just walk into a Tour group from China And everyone was coughing and sneezing and blowing their nose, everything, and I'm going like, o man, I am so getting sick tomorrow morning. and I did And it was only months later that because I went to a doctor like late December and he said, I have no idea what you have. You have something And then when remembered it was like early February when you started to hear the term Wuhan and everything. Yeah. And then I went online and discovered that there were two flights a day from Wuhan, China to Kennedy Airport So it wasn't just China, it was Wuhan, China And And yeah, so that's So that's And so anyway, I I was not I was not in the right frame of mind to begin with and then Right, you know, in the in the thick of of this t Y had nine. Anyway. Well Jim if my question though to you we were in it It's a lot easier which I'm getting to Dan, it's a lot easier They think you're going to use your connections to go personally ask people to talk about you, which is an awkward situation. So I think it's easier. They just say, we'll take care of everything And so D at me, we get a call is about Downy D So I don't think it's that hard to extract and maybe they knew that because some documentaries are tough because I don't want to do every documentary that comes my way. Now, Dana is Dror Doc So he does he's done a well. I did I did Codas Oh ye with with Jim Yeah, I was a minor. that's it's a documentary called Pling Potus, which President of the United States. They couldn't get da for the panel at the premiere last Saturday, but they snagged me. And Robert our friend Robert Smuigl was there. And Dan is great in the documentary. highighly recommend it. What did I see? What did I do? I told him, you gott to come to me. I told him to move the panel to where I live forest You gott to come job for. It was hard to tell it seemed like a perfectly modern structure you were living in. Well they had lights where they were just in a rented Airbnb near my house But but you it was a very Scientific, you talked, you and Darl and James Austin Johnson all talked about about constructing impressions It it was u Really interesting from that point of view. But you were my co conspirator with with Bush one along with Al because I didn't have the impression Well, I w. you were way too modest about that in that documentary, but I thought I always thought your bush was very bushy And you got you got better not better, but you got crazier with it Yeah as as time went on because you did, I don't know how many times you did Bush, but it was a dozen or more anyway. Well more wayay more than a dozen. Yeah, probably yeah. let's Yeah. overver four years. Yeah and standard cold open. If you compare the first two to like the last two, it was It was crazy. Well, the perfect thing with that, which I may have talked about. It's only interesting in that The audience took the ride with me. So as I started to do what I would done in high school, extrapolate things because I'm bored The audience was right with me. So by the end when I think my favorite thing and it might have been your idea, but he just or Al The non sequitter of just education That's you know, I think that was that was maybe something that we kicked into it, but it was mostly just trying to feed you stuff that you would do in the character you were already developed run with Yeah, it became a song You know, it was like a lot of musicality to all these different components. Bring it in here. good, good. That area doing that thing got to do it. you know, So it was fun. Anyway L for the die Look for both did like Dana when during the week be I was working back then, I was newer And they'd say like There's no cold opening and the easiest slam dunk was on Thursday to go rightite up a bush cold open So he probably did a lot more than twelve because It was always like such a good go to that would work only use one cast member, but It was easy to put up late in the week. It wasn't a lot of blocking. Yeah, You said Thursday, it seems like more Friday Saturday morning sometimes trying to Yeah, let the audience know But I had so many in ones, which I didn't realize later how valuable that was because the studio' quiet. It's just you in the frame so you can dounce dance outside the lines because they're just locked on you. But now when they do cold openings, a lot of times it's ensemble. I don't, you know, it's like a sketch with political figure in it. Observation, I don't know. Yeah, they populate it different. But that is true. When you're doing an in one, there's no such thing as a miss shot more or not time somethingomething not being captured And u It is, but You were one of those people that you could just send out there with often Slender, you know, material and you would you would make it work Thinking about refreshing the carpet in your home, now's the time to do it. 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Now might be the time to go back and learn how we got here more than two hundred episodes You can bnd your way decade by decade, defining event to defining event from the founding into the twentieth century Join me, Professor Greg Jackson for History That Don't Suck, an Odyssey podcast, available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts Tomorrow morning is knocking. Stock your fridge now. How about a creamy moocha Rappuccino drink? or a sweet vanilla? Smooth caramel, maybe, orr white chocolate mocha. Whichever you choose, delicious coffee awaits. Find Starbucks Rappuccino drinks wherever you buy your groceries I like less words. you know, I used to say, can you guys take out some of these words? too many words. I don't want to feel like I'm doing a homework I just want to be taking time. But the other thing that we worked on and Smile worked on Perot, which we didn't talk about last time That was just as much fun. I don't think I did it near as much, but that was just as much fun as Bush or easier really, you know. Well that's that I think is my favorite political character you ever did. And I worked on one of them with you But I think it was the time you hosted And it was the one where you were on Larry King and Yes. Will Ferrell was Larry King and it was you were on you were it was the minor party candidates and it was the Female circumcision party candidate totalitarian Yeah you know Chris Katan and they would do the most ornate female whatever you just said and then and then Perot always always go. the same old clap trp. That's what I hear all the time. And it was the weirdest policy I I would ever hear. That was what I loved about is a long run from Chris Katan. M Katan was a great sketch player. Absolutely had those great groundling shops and he was doing this thing about, um Once we mandate and fully fund Femle circumcision, you'll see the economy take off like a you can sameame old, same old. You know, a candy coated ice cream sunde with a cherry on top.. We don't have the money, Larry. We don't have the money. Larry, can I finish one time? You gonna interrupt me? Go ahead. Well, it's like complete free to be. Anyway, canan I finish one time No, that was so, so much fun kills A I stand the best I mine I think I might have voted for Perot h in that election just because I I u You know, he was right about NAFTA, I think And it would have been fun to have m president. He was right about the debt. You know, remember we had the chalkboard and the pointer. Here's our debt. Here's where it's going. We're just giving the we're giving the credit card to our kids Pcient Jim David Spade here C you tell me if you have been asked to wrrite or rewrite some of these movies we've seen out there, some of these comedies Punch up, punch up U You know, from time to time, I have been asked to work on stuff and I It's not it's not my favorite thing to do The one thing I think that One reason that I've been asked as often as I have is because I never want my name on anything. which which A. Well just because I I I don't particularly know if it's someone else's script and I'm just throwing some things into it, I don't particularly need it. The That's really important. It makes you very popular with the other writers on the project, you know, because most people When they do contribute something, then they they often they start sort of messy fights Yeah get the name on it and then there's a guild L wor one it So but it's been a long time since I've didid you ever a write time scratch orry Well, yes, we did. I wrote I wrote one with Tom Tom Davis and Al Franken many, many years ago that that We had some funny stuff in it But it never never went anywhere. It's funny, I was asked I was asked one time, Bill Murray asked me to to take a look at a script that he was considering doing And so I really think it could use some of your help with this. really And and it the script was lost in translation whichich one best screenplay that won the best screenplay Oscar. And to my credit, I said I think this is a great script and I wouldn't change anything. Certainly, I can't think of anything that I would do to change it And so I'd recommend that he do it and that It was good as it was I'm sure Bill does go to advice from a lot of people, it doesn't seem So's Bill loves you. I've been in the room with you and Bill. Bill like when you start to mention an idea, Bill gets quiet in a good way. He's like What we say? Well you guys were if people don't know, you were either roommates or Officemates at SNL or just friends, right? during the early years? Well, we were first office mates before we became friends, but We we were both hired at the same time And so we, um They put us in the same office and Over time, we u We became very close and I still I talked to him just the other day he's fun to talk to. One of the most love of dudes out there. Not you, Bill Did you wasas it your idea? It's just kind of interesting that because people would remember this at a certain age For the lounge singer to sing the theme to jaws or was it Well, that actually One of my earliest memories is Billy singing a fragment of that in the office And I remembered he came in, he came in. he had seen Jaws at a theater in Times Square And he told me that his favorite thing about it was there there were guys in the audience during the scary scenes going Get him, Jaws . so that was where that's fun. He started calling the shark jaws And and so I remembember He would sing a bit of that around the office. and I thought We've got to do something with that someday. And we talked about it over the years so it goes all the way back to nineteen seventy six And then when we did the fortieth in twenty sixteen I think eightteen or whatever it was twenty fifteen. It must have been twenty fifteen. Anyway. Um I really I added more parts to it And then we got together with Paul Schaefer and it became a thing. very successful things, some say in the fortieth anniversary. No, I was doing I was part of the cutting around to music. I was doing J Barcoli and the piano. So I was up on the stage. And so I looked right on top of Bill and watching him electrify that audience with his incredible commitment and know. So so you guys had to so this is for people who You think of an idea like that And it's kind of wispy, but there's something there and you're like, This is how you either make it good or ruin it. You say How do we package this into a sketch? I think one of the first I remember is at a ski resort in a lounge And maybe Lorraine's there and he's going from table to table and he's maybe singing Star Wars Yeah I didn't work on that piece but but that was Billy, u He just he it started with him just having U kind of Vegas character that you don't see there are no acts like that anymore probably in Vegas and they ha't been for a long time. L is liizard. He was always one of the first things he did around the office was kind of cringey Uh, greasy, you know, minor showbiz character. And I'm trying to remember the very first one. I think the Star Wars one at the Ski Lodge was the second. That was the one where people really started paying attention and then there was there was one they got we would look for ever more eccentric locations and there was one, my favorite one was on the auto train the Amtrak train where you can drive your car onto under the high Yeah. One of the service cars and then ride your train. you would ride the train down to Florida with your car on the train, right? And then on line Yeah And so I remember Billy had this great speech and there were He's doing one of his, you know, I was I was thinking watching them load the cars And like you may drive a dodge, comment. I may drive a And Nissan Ultimate. and Joe over there, my driver Coup deville but yet Every car onn the auto trarain is traded like every other car And then he gets kind of and everyone starts many he say mattering donon't go changing to try to please me, you know And it was it was early it was like early, I guess what they would call cringe comedy today. Maybe Yes. I mean, it's not Yeah ye. Well I have two questions for it. One is How do you recall something like that right now? The second one is watching all that original cast go through that four or five year period. It seemed like Bill Murray, I would never imagine him not being at a ten in terms of confidence, but Some cast members were they all sort of fully formed or who were the ones that sort of evolved because just in terms of confidence because the way Bill Murray does comedy, you have to be utterly committed canan't have any kind of fear of not getting. two seems really Oh some. So those are two questions. Why do you have a photographic memory of fifty years ago? I don' I don't know. but people have commented like as though I must be forgetting more important things because I' ming them. Your whole life ca minutia. Forgetting weddings and Yeah I remember things that make an impact on me and it's and it's easy to If something really makes you laugh, it's a little easier to remember that than But I would say as to your question about confidence. All of these people had like Lorraine had come out of the groundlings and And so they were the b, Danny, Bushi Billy second city So, u They Jane had done improvs up in Boston. so they were used to live audiences. And I think Dana and you guys both having been touring stand upps That that's the tough right? Oh yeah, I had to really try to I would look at the audience if I got a laugh in a sketch My impulse was to look at the crowd laughing. So I had to kind of go, o, no, I'm in a sketch. First sketch I ever did that would forget theater or anything on anywhere was the meteor hitting hitting Jan on the head. I think it was Jack Handy. That was a cold opening So I was going to ask you this question for our audience. What was your first impression first, even before We did anything. David Spade and me First impressions, don't think I thought you were losers No, that's not losers exactly. I thought I thought you were Well meaning O I I why you' got you guys auditioned so I you were funny. so Before we ever met, I had already seen you. For all you know, seen hundreds of hours of tape We didn't just, you know this stuff willilly nilly, we actually took it seriously. So no you guys Yeah And u I yeah, you guys can You didn't need to Um impmpress anyone. Okay, David, your first impression of Jim downowny Oh Jesus. mine was how can you get Dana out of here quicker David's on deck. if you should fall. The funny thing is she's there. is the first of me not being aware of like, you're here to like light a fire under Dan. I go, I don't think Danid is scared of me. I go, I don't do these impressions He runs this whole operation. I'm just sitting here going, Let me do a fucking update. Let me do something let me just get out there and But everyone was just so good. It was just hard. I think I joined in a pocket when there was so many good writers and so many good And u it was a little harder to swim to the top so Just treading water there was good enough for me for a while, but I'm just glad I got through it. And Jim was my boss for people that don't know headriter came up with the idea of Thursday rewrites. I didn't know that until today. U at which we were fucking grueling Worse than the green berets. I'm not even joging. Wse, harder than the Marines And basically I like Jim because he's a very pleasant guy, F to hang out with fun to walk down to hs with. And he had a really hard job of feeding all the little birds in the nest going o o. And then he gives you a Somet in New York. New York. Well, the great thing about Jim I love often pre masticated Yeah. Jim would do this if the people around were kind of riffing on ideas and then Jim would just look up, not say anything and just the usually the entree was u There's something really funny about Yeah And then and then this brilliant idea would follow it. It would be this weird off kilter. One time Jim told me, Dana, he goes I think he maybe told the table or maybe just me and Schneider when we got started sometometimes you're going to pitch an idea. And I'm just going to say, I don't think that'll work And I can't sometimes explain why. it's just from experience I just don't see that working. And so that was good to know because sometimes he just said I wouldn't write that up, I'd probably write up the other one. You know, because you're kind of also wanting that advice before you write. Everyone wants a piece of them. And maybe Go work, not hide, but work in your office and lock it And then Schneider would sleep against the door. and we'd all go in there and try to go when he comes out, we gota. It was just constantly on top It's hard being head writer of that show. It' It was hard to I mean, the part that I You know, you have to decide how much you're going to lie to people to and sort of string them along and giveive them false hope. And how much And but I remember the old expression my father always used to tell me You should always tell the truth because it's the easiest thing to remember Yeah. you know? And so I very early on, I think I did I I I decide, you know what? I'm just going to Eplain to people if they come in and look at the board after a read through And and we havet re for, you know, the audience of the podcast We would have our read through Wednesday. And then Wednesday evening Morne would would slip out of the room and go to dinner And then I'd be there when the cast and writer streamed in and looked up at the board to see which pieces represented by a little three by five cards. Yeah, were part of the show, at least For now and which weren't And there were there are always outraged, people like demanded to know why A was in the show and there B wasn't And u You know, I tried to u I tried to be as honest as I could, but in a in an encouraging way You know, and I tried to U sometometimes I actually was the only voice in the room for a particular piece then ended up not making it And so I I I try to avoid like, you know doing the chick and shit thing and so I was for it It was was tell me Franken hated it when I asked my mind. He was. Franken hated it. I go But by the way, David, you were talking about the idea of when you when you come onto the show like looking for Um a way to emerge, you know, more clearly. But the way the way we cast the show and I'm not saying it was the necessarily the ideal way, but We're like those people who like you know, go to an antique store or something and they even though they already have a dining room table. They so fall in love with this other dining room table that they go like, I'm just gonna buy it and we'll figure out what to do with it later So if you've been in people's homes where they had like three or four of everything it's sort of It wasn't well thought out So we if we saw people who were really funny, if someone else R say attentionall team I We just we just want them here. grabbed them. give them their give them their six hundred dollars hundred a week and bringillion to cost of six hundred bucks a week Yeah. That running around. But that was the first junior varsity era. I mean, we added Mike Myers, which was incredible for us and then we started adding more and more And I actually did a song about it when I hosted that ninety to ninety three was very close because we had Sandler and Farley coming up, Say was coming up Schneider, Tim Meadows on and on. and you we still had Phil and myself and Mike and so forth. I was going to ask you this question because it's always these just fun of best cast or best cast member behind the scenes, and I don't know if you want to answer this question. When was the most potent writing stat Be I only know my era. was because you were there in the knots of the Will Ferrell era and Amy shirt was polar all that. So do you have an answer to that or was it the original writing staff or were they all just very Well, I have five seconds. Okay. I'. and then we'll tell you the right answer The writing staff that had, um You know, Robert Smigle, Jack Handy U Yeah, now Frank and Tom Davis that era was a pretty Good Riting staff. Was that Otakirk's my Yeah. C was around Ota Kirk. That's where I guess from you know ' eighty six to like the early nineties. And and it wasn't a gigantically large running staff. I mean, it was the early runitning staff though was like nine people u of whom like, Six or seven were fairly active You know, and nowadays, I mean, I think they have like more than twenty writers And they and ye, sorry. goo ahead. But but but the u But there were great writers, you know, in every period. And The other thing is a lot of the best writers were performers. So what do you mean? I mean, people ask me occasionally, hey, who wrote that thing? You know, that because you don't it's I've accepted it a long time ago, but you don't get a writer's credit If you're on SNL as a main cast member. If you're a feature player, you get a writer's credit So I remember Mike came on the show like in April as a feature player writer. He soon went up to the main company. But then we won the Emmy. So on the plane ride back to New York, my God this giant Emmy. he'd only been there like three weeks. As a writer. That happened. I mean there were We hear longer The longer you stay at the show, it comes out in the wasash, you know, but it's true there were some Um Well, it's just there were some strange things, but but yeah, the The idea was, I suppose that performers are going to get writing writing for themselves helps that help is good for them. Right. That's its own reward And um if they're not paid They have to ear They would have had to pay us, right? because I would have taken a credit without pay, but that would have been outside the union You know, that's writers what I told Lauren, just from my perception, it's not just about me, but from ninety to ninety three that he had a lot of weapons. like there's not heard they don't do as many reoccurring characters now except on update or whatever. But back then you could have attunays or a sprockets or a Hansen Franz or a Hollywood minute or Sandler would do a sing a song, you know, his opera Man. And there were so many to start the show with that it just seem of it like a very and then I said that to Lauren on this podcast and then I heard him talking about it to the New York's Times. The early nineties we had a lot of weapons, Yeah, we have we have a lot of u variety within we had a lot of variety within the comedy of the show so that uh Distinct flavors, you know? And so a lot of people could pick You know, a dozen people would pick maybe eight different things as the best thing in the show You know. Yes. And we should mention I want you to continue but Bonnie and Terry Turner as well because they were they could punch things up. They were really great with the church slade and other things. So Go ahead,. I'm just saying that that that era, I was just identifying with Um, and I know I I whenever I'm ans ask questions like that, I I like worry about is people I inadvertently Leave out Yeah, accidentally. We're leaving out people for sure But there have been every year of the show. and by the way, I think there werere like, Um There were like three or four distinct periods of the show where I thought that we were doing a lot of really great shows like the early years Yeah. And the next greater Well, the next great peer was that one year with Marty Short and Chris Gess. Yeah. And then and Harry Sher did great stuff that year and And then um, Y era, which I I would make like eighty six to like ninety three. That was the time hour. Yeah. Then there was the second Farley Fow, the Will Farreow era And Well David was overlapped with that a little bit No I was in there. Yeah, I was I over up one year with Will But Will Farrerow was ye he was another force coming on. Yeah, right And then And then that that that cast that sort of that Kristen Wig Fred Armison and Will Forte long Island guys. yeah And that so there' been there' been enough of those there enough great eras It it's like a You know, it's like the Yankees or something. Oh yeah, it's only lnus to talk about for five because there's a time to think you're good. No one really told us anyy of us were any good until T years later. and then Will Ferrell said, they said we sucked and then ten years later they said, oh they were great. So it takes a while to look back like right now youll look back later and go Oh these people were really, you know, that's just how it works. Yeah. I gave up a long time ago trying to answer the question. L like if you had to pick like an all star team because I know. it ends up it ends up being like twenty five people, you know? Yeah Study and play. Come together on a Winds eleven PC. And for a limited time, college students get the best of both worlds. 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So you can spend less time worrying about insurance and more time enjoying the ride. Download the State Farm app or go online at statefarm dot com like a good neighbor State Farm is there. O One of the things I really liked about the fiftieth on Dana, I'm sorry that you know, that you weren't there. He didn't care. But there was you got so many people on camera in combinations that you'd never seen before. And that was that was really nice to see U You know, Yeah I mean I wanted to introduce something with Eddie Murphy. I thought that'd be perfect time for us to get together sort of add dress article That spat has lasted so long, but I think is it finally done finally Well no No David made fun of Eddon. We can because it's Jony, probablyrobably because it of Jim down Probably Jim Yeah. Eddie, if you're watching this bet against that. abbsolutely. But I worked with Eddie in that in a film that Andy Breckman, it was his thing. He directed it moving. What was it? It was the white like me thing Mm. Oh o yeah, yeah That was You did work on that. That was during time That h this time. I was ever recognized on the street in New York. was just from that brief I you know, exposure with the great Eddie Murphy There never know one. It was It was a film piece and it was where Eddie was in white face. Oh yeah, okay. Yeah ye yeah, I' remember it. Yeah Iember it That is seular vision That Andy, Andy Breckman direction sorry The thing about thing about Eddie. which now that we have fifty plus years You know, it's kind of like Um, how D someone get That Vved confident. I guess at nineteen. he gets on the show, but he put in his dues. He started at seventeen. And his dad would driving the car, But seriously Being I got on at thirty one. I was still waitering tntil I was twenty four. I mean, it's just Eddie is amazing how great he was It's not a hot take. It's just interesting in the context this kind I remember I had recommended when the original writers and cast left the show in May of nineteen eighty And Jean Domanion took over as producer. I always got along pretty well with Jean. Her office was directly next door to Billy and my office And so she asked me if I had any advice and I recommended a couple of writers One of whom became a very valuable writer for the next couple years But anyway, u when I would go to visit these people, you know, I was I was at Letterman at the time or I there was something else. But I would come by and just to, you know stick my head and say, hi. was constantly encountering Eddie Murphy This was who was a featured player And he was just going into everyone's office and being hilarious And I remembered going to Jene and saying, you know, Jain thereuc the that anydie Murphy guy I in I don't think I'm this mad genius who's spawnting something no one else can see. I think I think you really you I think you might want to put that guy on camer.amera up And her attitude I remembered as being like, I think he needs a little seasoning. He's got there's something there. There's something there for sure, but I just think he's not ready to go up against I heard about him as a standup in the comic strip because I was living in New York doing the Mickey Rooney show with Nathan Lane. And then a friend of mine was on Broadway with Mickey. He was a juggler, Michael Davies And he just we're walking around New York and he goes, there's this comedian, young comedian at Comics Sties. should really check him out. But this is why I want I just popped into my brain. There are certain things that are I just stick with me as being really funny And that was just James Brown in a hot tub I don't know why But That still would get me every time. Do you know the bit David Everybody saying and it sounds funny. This is a scenario. And the fed the way he could do James Brown how he could hit the scream after the thing. So it's one of those Why is James Brown near a hot tub Why is he keep sticking his foot in the hot water? Why is he screaming? You, I feel you get to five questions, it has the absurdity to last. Maybe it's a little bit like chopp and broccoli. likeike why does this exist? But that was transcendent as was just a full sketch. You guys are writer performers, but I think you'll agree with me that The show really is performer show. I mean, it has more scope for writing than most shows like this do. but It's like they always say that in baseball, you know, good pitching beats good hitting It's like performing Trumpss the writing. And that a piece like that that has a great premise. I mean, I'm assuming it was that but it could easily have been been any who wrote with him who said like, how about James Brown in a hot tub I mean, but it doesn't matter. it was just for the however long that piece was, it was like flat out Yeah just high energy laughs. I mean, I've never written anything that can compete with a piece like that for energy and laugh, you know Um hm I mean, you know, obviously That just Bob Otakirkks, but full peak Chris Farley doingailes or something. There are those kinds of things that are just okay, that's a kind of a one off, you know. But also Eddie went right into movies in the conference and immediately good. L Im you know So that that was he was good S now good over there like was pretty crazy. Well like I say, he had he was plenty confident backstage and I'm talking about Yeah, nineteen eighty eighty one It's just that He, um It wasn't appreciated. And then when Dick Eversaw came the next season He very quickly broke through. Oh, so he didn't blow up the first year Well, he was he didn't get a lot of camera time His only year of struggling. I love that he got a little taste of all the shit that we all brings you up Also Darryl Ammond calls him the world's greatest impressionist. Not that he does a lot of impressions, but the ones that he did were, you know, he did as Stevie Wonder I don't know if it was the first one to do that, you know, And he could sing like Stevie Wonder. Yeah It was like he had every metric going, you know Like Jamie both has some really good ones too secretly Scret weapon. Yeah But I still like Hans and Fz. That's still kind of my favorite thing only because Um, They're so insecure. They have this cable show and they're imagining people denying them. and then they're threatening to go to their house and do these really evil. perverse physical things to them. mean I actually have a very clear memory of you coming to me. pitching that idea. and you explaining that They're just incredibly abusive without actually helping their clients. So it's just like humiliating cl They have the breakdown part really well, but not the build up part. Yeah. Well, because then they bring it to themselves. and if you don't think we're properly pumped, let me tell you something properly. We could very easily come to your house. is easy. and stretch the flab of your back into the shape of a rope ladder. so it could crawl down in the sewa because that's where losers live You know, it's supposed to be a Jackqu L Lane show helping people and they always turned it B they' client. They've never showed them working someone out. It's just always yelling at the camera. And I love that Kevin Nilan when we would be right before right before the camera came on, Kevin would just lower his IQ. I'd seen Will Ferrell have that trick. Kevin would just make his eyes go Yeah And it really made me laugh, you know, just yeah, you know, So Kevin and I are playing a gig together and we'll come out as Hs and Frs. We're playing it in Seattle. Yeah. So I'm already thinking, yeah, the Puget sound should be called Puny sound It because the jokes are so bad and they're so pleased. So anyway, I still like that and you worked a lot on that. You was so so glad to have you and Smigo come in at a given time with Kevin that was that was just you know so easy to You know, to just we were like, stuff off in the room. I mean, you guys had, you knew what you were doing. and it was another thing where it was a A single shot So you could just go to town. and might But I remember the very first time that was on It was the last piece in the show five to one. And u, You know, it just shows if if You lead the audience. You know, you bring them along They might not recognize at first how much They really enjoy it But if you well they really a true statement. I mean, you know, Dana, let's say Jim was there for cheapurger,apurger,apger I look back at conheads some of the early ones don't work at all And the audience just has to sort of absorb what's going on. And the next time they do it like recurring thenen everyone's onto it now Yes because I think they thought we would pick up fake Bells Yeah They're figuring, you know,'re ons and fs. and I think, you know, we had padded things. I think that that's what they bar That was never going to happen. But in that case too, my character evolved because when I would look in the mirror and I was so much smaller than Kevin It just became sorry whoops, you know, just O do our muscles frights in you your stupid ozzcuts. So that made me happy, you know because I get bored very easily, but that was Anyway. That was fun to work on And nowes for Jim who was the first five years of SNL for people who don't know, first five years of Lettererman, maybe First, like two Yeah have Letterman and then you went back huge huge influence on the Letterman sensibility because you were right there in the beginning and he was lucky to have you Do You see him out there anymore and you talk to him a lot or no? Well, actually, yeah, we just did I hadn't seen very much of Dave over the years, except running into him now and then. U the um We did and I did his podcast, The Barbara Gaines Show Which is I know that. It's always Barbara Gaines introduces Dave and his guest and I did that. back in December And they made it a two partarter, I think And then That was Robert approached him about doing doing Robert Smgel's new podcast, Humor Me. Yeah. and And Dave said, let's why don't I do it with Jim again? So we did we did that. Oh you did that? Okay. Yeah, I've seen a lot a lot more of Dave than I have Uh in the, you know, since I left the show in nineteen eighty four u But yeah, he was U That was a real case we were talking about. brring an audience along and training them to. it's like It's like the first time you had sushi, if you can remember that. You know, u it was a little Lit little you not you sure about it. and then You know, it became your favorite food Jim, I have a last story about Sushi that you remind me of. when we were at I lived on the Nwest side when we were there Far late, we'd never had sushi So we someone recommended we go to this place on the airway side And so he's like I love, you know, he just we were probably four of us there And then They they brought us out like a dessert with Sparklers. And they come on, Oh my gotto and they go on And when he gets close to Chris he goes, Oh my eyes. And then he dives on the ground that the spark's got in his eyes. and then he rolls in the ground screaming and the whole place stands up and goes on and they're like, Oh to And then he goes, I'm fool and I'm fool. I'm b. And they're like What's going on is they're still trying to get help for him. and he's like, it was a bit. you had to be very careful with Farley as to what you dared him to do because it was a weighty responsibility because do I really want to say you don't have the nerve to pick that waitress up and carrier down the stairs put in the fountain or poo out the window on the seventeenth floor I was on record as opposed. What about the bric Liability. Oh wow. okay. A table That's that's for the after hours. Yeah, that's for the post. I think that story' has been told I I do remember I do remember the time and I'm sure you guys were there. in the room we were doing rewrites and Oh I think it was Tara Eli, who is the writer's assistant comes up to me. I'm at the head of the table and whispers to me Just so you know Chris Chris Farley is out in the hallway and he's completely naked. And so And so we had those big heavy metal doors with that you know pinned in the middle, you know? And so I told everyone, okay, Farley's gonna come in you guys. he's gonna come in naked. So it's vitally important that no one give him anything. No one re. We just have to sort of go Oh yeah, hey, Chris, What's on?? back to our work. And so Farley comes in And he had his private Tucked between his legs And he's the lam fondling his tweaking his nipples and going like Do you think I'm? prettyre, that kind of thing. And then where we all did the same kind of So hey, Chris, hey, we gotta talk about that update thing later. And he was so c' serious that it bombed. Too bad iPhones weren't around back because't. It's all just that. there was some fake subpoena given to him at the L? Yeah, that was that was a That started with It was partly just a practical joke, but ye, yeah, yeah. But but we also liked We had been on a film shoot. It was a piece I wrote It was Dmember the show Tales of the highighway Patrol. Oh Highway Patrol It was a real it was an early reality show, actually it was like cops. and it was like some other The networks answer to cops in anyway It was we did this thing and it was like nineteen ninety three or something It was tales of the Arkansas Highway Patrol. And so it was basically Bill Clinton And you know, just having engaging in illicit sex with various women in parked cars with guarded by Arkansas straight state troopers And then it ended with a scene where It's a domestic abuse case and he's clearly had the shit beat out of it by Hillary And so it's the he's refusing to press charges and he's claiming he fell down the stairs. You know, that kind of thing. Anyway. So we had to drive to the shoot And Farley was deep in character, you know is like, Little lady I got a problem. see, it seems they gave me an expense account uness I spent it all. They're liable to cut me back So he was he was hitting on this this this woman who was an ext and Schneider and I were in the car and we finally had to like physically between the two of them to prevent to head off something. And so it began with that, but we decided to Play a practical joke Conor where we had him served with a fake subpoena and had some of the writers from the Simpsons as process servers And it was at the last show party. and later, I was told it was a cruel thing to do. and And I'm like, come on, the poor actress who was in that car, that wasn't a you know, picnic for her anyway. Yeah, that's a true story. He fell for that one. Lift out What a character. Oh yeah, anytime you dont know what it's for. just D. David, you always you always did a great impression of Farley going from innocent to like barking orders to his management and everything. in it turning. Well, it would be like I don't know, I'm just' I'm not doing a reader. I'm like listen, listen. I'm not doing it. I'm not doing it for that money, that kind of thing. Yeah. tellell them fucking six million or I'm out I'll fucking walk. Anyway from Wisconsin. you have a McDonald's here, is it on wheels? because we have one M we still doing that I don't know. Yeah, he was a I like when he grease his hair back like Christian Slay and where the big glasses like Acroid Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. But he, um Uh God, he he was funny. Goddamn I thought he was look cool Grece back. I remember meing him and Christian Slater went down to Huxley's And he's like this Hi, Christian You grease your hair back and he's like, Yeahah, Chris, I do. And he's like, yeah It was all the Chris Farley. me and Dana met Ringo star andne McCartney, we were, it's always turns into the Chris Farley show. It's the funniest thing to remember to describe perfectly what you're doing. You're too giddy You're excited and just being like you were in the Beatles. Yeah. Yeah, that was awesome. Don't want to make them angry is the main thing or bore them You know, Yeah. if you're talking to a beetle, you know or something they've really heard That was it's a it's a ill dicey proposition to talk to super famous Jim, Jim, anything else you want a million things you've got going on. wrote that on DVD on Downie wrote that, which Stane and I are in and we you're both in and thank you very much for that. I'm sorry, I wasn't looking my best at the time. I was COVID did a number on some of us and I I remember that. I just remember when I was in the room to get ready to come out to the patio to do the three hour interview. And I go, Really three hours? it's okay. We'll be hanging out. And a woman came up behind me with just goop in her hands and just went like this Out of your hair? Yeah, without us. Never. He we got something for y. I would' have been like crack break. Tile Yeah, you're looking healthy or looking good. I mean, when you turn sixty five next year, that's going to be Big milestone We're kind of the same age. I don't want to bring up numbers though Well, I'm older, I'm older than anybody now Anybody anybody in Cedy. No That's active and still at the top you're at the top of your game. Jim I a Tavern on. I think you are I would say I'm u I'm embarking on a new career, like we talked about at the beginning, the actor performer with with limited camera presence But I can deliver I can deliver a low energy deadpan performance like nobody. Me too. I'll see at the auditions. You accidentally every time I see something that you're in, I go He stole it. Yeah. he stole the whole thing I am. What I am is I'm kind of a good luck charm I mean, if you think about it Daniel D. Lewis Best actor. Y. Sean Penn, B supporting actor What's the common denominator Have you told PTA that maybe there's a spinoff and you're not pushing it, but maybe your guy could spin off and like do a sitcom or something. He's been made aware He's been made aware of You're there, You're ready to write it was this your idea? because it didn't sound like you, but it's been floated a sequel and it's going to be called one battle after another, after another. and I thought one hundred episodes. Maybe make it a streaming show. I mean mean a hundred battles. Seem like it had your fingerprints on it. I can't really tell one battle after another. It sounds like it would be a funny somethingomet to do maybe on the show as a film piece. and no it didn't come from me. I made that up of course. I think it's in the ether people. 's ready People are ready Will there be a sixtieth and lastast question. Will there be a sixtieth and will you be at it I eight and a half years Will Dana be at it? I'm I'd like to think that I will definitely be invited U and as all of you guys will no cus ones Yeah, maybe not at that point. By the way, do you realize I asked about this because, you know, the capacity the ceating capacity of studio eight H is like If you knock out every possible, you know thing,s it's like three hundred odd seats. Yeah. And there are at the time in February of twenty twenty five seven hundred and fifty people had hosted the show. So you kind of have to if someone hosted the show, you kind of have to invite them maybe hoping that they'd come And then you can't exactly tell them they can't bring a guest And then that's not involving music. and so that was a real I did. All of us got to be inside the studio. Well, Dana, you could have been, you were not feeling well, I know. Well what What did I miss? I mean, was it How was p to the was on TV? It was I watched it live. I thought both of them were actually pretty good shows. There some fun stuff in them all And you know I gotta say, you don really there were little things like David, you had that thing in the piece where you completely No that chang changed the energy of the piece for a minute. And you just sort of said, Nope I'm doing this, then go you can guys can go back and do it. fin sketch. Yeah. And the other thing that really this is a crazy thing because you mentioned him Nathan Lane Remember it was that tast that I think John Malane Broadway the head righter around it It was like the history of New York and like Radwance or something. And it was just Nathan Lane dancing through did the funniest impression of a guy doing blow I did that really cracked me up That was right next to us in that scen. I'll bring that up. We're going to have Nathan on here I the timeline of these releases, but yeah We' We'll be talking Jim. It's always nice talking to Jim Downey. favorite head writer Go through that, you know, am I an actor? A I a writer? And then Paul Thomas Anderson calls. Jim, are you gonna to host U I I'm taking myself out of consideration for h. Okay. I understand I just I'm just too much on my plate right now. plate full. But I will say I did want to mention Oh Downy wrote that. Downy wrote It's time there' Voting on Emy nominations on PC And I' asked. I've been asked. To mention that, I want to mention Eddie Michaels was a great producer with I that producer and everyone else who worked on it Yes. And Well, this is how I would do any h be has Hs V five f fun I smell an Oscar. No, I smell an Mmy nomination. Hear it come. Whoops. So long are the docks Fly away. you no longer want it. We already have a winner Jim say Jimes is going what? I think I think you I think that's you make some excellent points there. And you should have come on. This was I thought about randomly. Okay. I thought that Jim would come on as the head of the network, so called and do your deadpan thing of like, you know, when you Do that with the audience. It doesn't really increase our numbers. you know, What do you mean? What are you talking about? Although it's appreciated. Yeah The Billy Madison run is always on like a meme or on Yeah, that's a famous job on that one. And we'll see you on the next interview And this might be our longest interview. It was fun No, I'm The last one we did time was going to be back, right? Yeah, you would have been back. Well, you know what When you get the nomination, you should come back. Ohes I like me vant We'll never run out of stories to ask you about because it's too fun. No, I haven't. You know didn I don't think we got to any of the things we were talking about discussing. So I we got to a single one. Weerere the worst. did we talk about Pus much A little bit, notot much. notot breaking it whole lot. Wh I I did get I did want to mention your u You' a Jerry Brown impression, that's right. was one of my favorite things ever. I was proud to be one of the writers on that piece. Absolutely. I know and I looked for it because you mentioned that when we were talking to say on YouTube. Dana Carvey does Jerry Brown. Where is it? Be I I want now is not good I wanted to relearn it for this podcast because it's hard to remember the rhythm. I know it And a thing and, you know, was there was a thing there, but you know, I need to see it. I've got I'm going to say one last thing before we sign off. a few years ago, well, actually twenty four years ago. I was in San Francisco was an event for the Harvard Lampoon And and we're staying at the home of near the presidio of a very wealthy Harvard lampoon alumnus who was personal friends with both Jerry Brown and with Willie Brown Oh this was at a time when Willie Brown was mayor of San Francisco and Jerry Brown was mayor of Oakland So we at the dinner, we had this Mayor Brown of of the month contest And we got we found another guy named Brown who was mayor of some other town. And we had a and the way we did it was I briefed everyone in attendance saying like, okay, I'm introduced the three mayors. They're not in the room right now When I introduce you know, the mayor Brown of of Vacavville or whatever he was, you know, I want, you know, polite applause. when I introduced Jerry Brown, polite applause And when I introduce Willie Brown, I want everyone going crazy, L standing on your chairs like And so we did it and Willie Brown instant and then we're doing at the dinner, the three of them Willie Brown instantly starts laughing as he gets a joke Hary Brown. was very upset His feelings were hurt that he didn't get the response. I did you start the one about Welcome our host Tom Hanks, smattering. Ne week, Sharon Stone, a huge aor. Well, that was a thing that Frankin used to used to do. I did it Immediately make the host feel like an asshole. That's fucking job number one at SNL. They're already nervous. They're like