Formative Years and Favorites

Fred Armison is our S special applause. Yes. Yeah. O special republished One of the most liked over there. He's just such a quirky, hilarious dude and Everyone seems to lightight up and get along with this dude. including myself, including you Oh yeah, he's super easy. And he's a drummer. He's a musician. so you can see that in his comedy work. but yeah, he's one of my favorites whoever didid that show for sure somethingomet Fny about him Yeah, I don't think we talk about the Californians. We going We take I with five or something and the way he did it and how a committed he was always made Bill Hater And everybody and Kristin. Yeahah.r I saw him on a flight recently and when it's funny, these guys that I don't know well, I'll walk up and immediately go into bits You know what I mean? Like I walk up and grab my o, sir, you can't be this aisle Totally and they get it right away and then they answer they go along with it and it's like we don't even say hi. it's just to go right into a bit. If there's an on switch, yeah, that a quip from a peers on switch and they's Yeah We're joking around here. Yeah, we're going into something. just going around. So enjoy this republish. It was a fun interview. Fed Aison It feels like Fred, you're the first cast member. Are we starting or is it we're starting shit. Wait, can you hear me okay? Like is the mic working okay and all that stuff? I can hear you. Can Unfortunately ye. Can you hear me, Fred? Yes ryst clear,an you hear space Can you No Fred Oh God. canan't trick a trickster. Bs Mhm Of all the cash memers of SNL, you were had the widest range of then Cicides or whatever the word would be that you could play Like you could play like any anything from all over the world. What was that about? It's just that keep your answer to one hour exactly My mom's Venezuelan. so and my dad is Korean and half German. So I think that they were, you know, they they're immigrants. so I think somewhere in there. far as DNA goes, that's how it works. You're all over. Yeah. but you're not offending anyone because you're You're apart one percent of some Yes. So Yeah Yeah, that's a good idea. And it just that's just how it worked out. And you know how it is over there? L when they have, you know, a role for you in one of the sketches, you just You know, try to do it. You know. I played Tony Montana in a sketch. you know, I don't know if I could do that now. I was whenever I do that because I enjoy doing Scarface the Tony Montana accent. I go, I'm doing al Pacinos bizarre Cuban accent. and that seems to relax people. like I'm not making a statement about R Michael from from Kuba. It is it is tough if you' just trying to mimic something or mimic a look, which is the whole thing and Some are offensive and some aren't when you're just going, I'm just trying to do my best to represent that person, whatever that is, voice hair, face, wigs And then sometimes a wig will be counted as offensive or something about it will be offensive. And then More and more as time goes on, with me and Dana not as bad. With you, maybe it was a little t A little But then I think it just got tougher as the casts ke going. So as the years kept going. kept changing and it probably will keep changing. I meanm it's getting tougher for sure. I think so. but I think there'suff I've looked up with other I call them bandmates, your bandmates. Yeah from, you know, that era with, you know, line them up. It was as good as any cast by far. I mean, you had Maya, you had Amy You eth Yeah you had you had Billy Hater. Yeah. you had Yeahah, Jason Sedeas. So you had an all star. Andy Sandberg And you guys could get away with a lot in two thousand five, I think. Yeah notot so called get awayway. you could you could expand your comedy appetites and then it did evolve into wherever it is. And get away with stuff. And get away with it. It sounds kind of negative, David. No, but listen, first of all, I apologize my voice is so sexy, but I think I might What? You may have COVID No, I don't I don't No Fred stop spreading the rumor. I went to James Cordon yesterday and they gave me a test so I don't have. but I just feel, you know what? I just I'm a hard worker. That's my crime. Oh I work so hard. I'm going do my Fred, you get it. My Christoph Waltz. I'm gonna doing my new Christoph Waltz impression talking about that. So you are a hard winner. When I would snd to so off people would say I look like a crazy person on the street. this is just him in real life. He's not even He's like you like you're kind of like him, Fred in a way. Like you hit these rhythms, you do stuff that makes me so happy. know, I don't like Rankings. anymore because people ask us, what's the best? What's the second? I'll just say you're one of my favorites because you're You never pushed their such quirky stuff And even you and Bill Hater's Italian fake Italian guy, which I love that sketch, just how you you just, you're playing it so real. just as the guy eating a pi. Like I could listen to that forever, but Shall we go back to the beginning? But Dana, coming from you, I mean, you know, likeike walking the halls of SNL, you just came up all the time is like the The the gold standard of Uh how to have like an incredible first year. I cannot believe even your first year. Oh yeah, he came out of the gate We cold open and never look back. Once I had the l once I had the lady, I was I was okay. But you came in as a feature player. So and also it was different back then. that the show there was only six of us Me P Jesus. What And of main players.. just No wonder you got fed. Six little birds in the nest Yeah Get away You got so many wormsich We might go Winslow You fucking make fun of me on Kimel and talk to you after lagh. I did it once because you you're a fan favorite on Kimel. And then every time I did it they laugh. So you know, I'm a comedian. so I'm like it's like, okay. I go, I't I'm Davids. I'mad. It's pretty good actually. Anyway, But David, I did not mean also doesn't I didn't want to overlook the fact that you how great you are on SNL as well. I didn't mean they're swinging back Just you didn't want to gloss over that No, thank you, buddy. But I will give it up that Data was the gold Sant. When I got there, he was already crushing it and then he just with carot the mow down. Yeah. Yeah Thank you. We're recording, right? This is recording. Okay just want to make putut a for your clip reel. This is called gold. No, but I don't know where to start with you and I want to get to a lot of things. I hope you don't have much to do today. U I have like, I think four minutes and then we got we got to wrap it up. you got to hard fast. I have a question for him Dana. before he gets before you get to really young stuff he hasn't really answered anything yet. We just talk over him. But Fred One of my favorite things that I did not see live, but I saw today was Such a great monologue when when you acted out, you doing a play about how you got usNL? Yeah. L a like a one man show Yeah, it was so. It was so weird and quirky and interesting and I loveved Dana he does Lauren's voice in it And of course, he does it really horribly and nothing like Mure Yeah like st. Like a maffin boss or something. Yeah because I went in his office. he's like,. That's all written by Seth Myers. That monologue. Oh for real T. He just Oh, it was great because I thought I just, you know, when you do that, I picture it at Reads you. Sometimes monologues for people at home. put up at reader because they're not even written tntill Friday. Right But if you do it it read through I was thinking Fuck he's got to move around and stay Yeah So that read throughs where you move around are tough. You can lose the crowd quickly Also Dana O in performance on Wednesday. Fred would good because you walked off the stage and you went for someone in the audience. Yeah What did you ask her? D don't answer it. You know, like, what do you think? Yeah What do you think? What do you think? What do you think? just a was a real person, right? Yeah. That was a real person Yeah And she doesn't know what to say. so she finally goes, You you think of lind, You you think of lying Shees no, and you go, don't answer please don't'. P part of the show. Then you keep asking she just said something else and you go, Godddamn, you ruined it and you walk back Oh that was so funny if you want to look it up. Thankks But what I was going to ask you guys is where at read through What space did you go to to do stuff where you had to walk? Becauseuse you know how difficult it is around a table Wh Where were you when you had to sort of something out. It was kind of over by Cheryl Har on the piano. there was just a little wedge of a space there. Yeah. And I did one once. I really didn't like to do it because it felt like you're trying too hard, but I did one once with Ben Stiller playing Bono. I was playing the edge and Dolly Pardon had to stand up and we stood and did our little sketch there. You know, That was the one to remember for you. Did you stand up a lot or move around in the I'm the same. likeike I did not like to do it because it was just also, you know, three sketches before you're sort of thinking, hey, where do I have to go? Where do I have to? then U But it was sort of over by kind of by the piano, but in between those doors, there's like a main these two main doors before you go into that that writer's room. in there looked like looked like a little bit of a stage kind of. Yeah. But God, Oh the entrance to the writer's room. Yes Kind of kind of in front of it towards the table. But we had so many fucking people jammed in read through room. I mean, it was if people at home can picture like a big sort of square where everyone sits around all the main cast and Lauren and the host Yeah host and Luren were by the window I got to sit next to the host when Dana left, but before that, I think I sat behind Dana And then do you know where you were in that thing? Because it was like three deep, like people were stacked in there At the table, I was diagonally across to the left. And I think I was at the same place every year whichich I like. like Yeah.' like once you pick a place, you kind of stay there and, you know, for people at home again It's u It's like three or four deep and you have every department, you have a rep from every department. So wigs will be watching a sketch like you do, and you see him scribbling going, Oh, this is going to fucking suck this guy has eight wigs in here And then music, if you need them Cheryl hits the piano or maybe GE's in there and they help a bit But you're right. you know what? You don't want tona be sweaty. No. And so if you get up to do a bit, everyone's like, this better be three times as funny as it was sitting down. Yeah. because you've gott to walk up to that spot. That's the hard part. Youve got to a five hour reader and everyone's like, what are you doing? Because you're sneaking through with your little script and oh, he's moving up there now.use now he's going with the ukule and' If it bombs, it's even ten times small or sickening. awwful Dead silence Yeah, that was on a nerve scale one to ten, I mean, where was Read throughrough compared to the actual show? I it had its own terrors. I mean, you know, it went so long that sometimes it just got, you know, you just get sleepy as it's going five five hours. Yeah five hours. That kind of dissipates after a while, but it's the buildup up to your sketch that, you know Oh, you see it coming and you're like, oh no, and then something kills right before it and you Oh my go, it fucked me. Oh my go. Oh yeah, I'd see like right before it, it's like Adam's new song. I'm like, no Oron, give me a chance. Or something you think it's brilliant. something that you think is brilliant. and then when you get there, it's the exact opposite And silence is the worst. Yeah. when they don't bite in the first joke that you think is really great. You think the premise has been set up your first thing And it's it's less than nothing. No There's disdain subcciously in the room. You nine pages of pain. Yeah, when Tom Davis, well, no names, but when Tom Davis would write like a seventeen pager And some of them really work And if it doesn't work by page four, And you feel the whole wave just tap out everyone leans back Yeah. and you just go, Ohh, and if you're in it or if you wrote it, And you're like, please go. Just more. justust go to the next one. D don't even this to me because I don't want to be like, ye, d.re just swinging hard and ye everyone already just said no, not on this one. No, nobody. evenven your best friends are like, it's not clicking and they kind of quietly on. Yeah. So Fred, you since we're on SNL because you were on it. So you come in as a feature and then in two seasons they you go to the main company like how was that journey? How did that change? And what what begot that? I felt Lucky to even be there at all. You know, even that first show, I didn't know that I was going to get on, you know. So Whatever I kind of liked, there was like less pressure to be a feature player. J is kind of like it's okay fun a couple of shows, like play an elf or something So Well you're not on at all. that happened. That happens a lot. Yeah. And we had a lot of cast members. So it's kind of nice. I kind of liked sort of easing into it And then You know, however many that was like two years later. it was like a nice, I don't know, it's like it's a good feeling to oh, I guess this I'm actually part of the cast But it all felt like a just a lucky break every step of the way you know, even and not exaggerating Even the audition, even the audition justust being there up on, you know, just at the, you know, the where people do the monologues Even I was like, I cannot believe I got this terrifying I can't believe that like I'm actually on the stage in front of Lauren Michaels. I was starstruck by when Michaels and they sit in those little seats like where the audience at home sits during the monologue in the little chairs in front. Yeah. and the theater empty The studio is y empty and it's a death march. What were the like I don't really know your journey just to go back a little bit because I want to talk about your music career and your musicianship. I just had a little pop earlier. He's a musician and drummer. And then you start did you how did you get your stuff together that ended up auditioning? Were you going to theater groups for three years or what was that journey from? It was music comedy I was doing music for a long time, like all through my twenties. I was in a band and that's all I was gonna do. We broke up And then I started making videos of me interviewing bands and stuff as different characters. Yeah I'm sure they were weird. It was weird and you know and I knew the bands, so it was just a little it was kind of U and all of a sudden that video When it was on VHS like sort of made the rounds And I started to u be asked to be on some variety show. You know, some like Cornelius Cornelius Street, you know something where there's a couple of comedians and some music. And I just started doing characters. I did this one character who I auditioned with Fedicito, like a Timbai player who was like Tito P. and. Yeah, that one. And then Somewhere in there like it fit into stand upp shows. So there would be like all these regular standups and in it there would be this one weird thing. I would just do, you, do a character. I don't think there were any jokes and That was something that I could u sort of v uses as an act And then Bob Odenkirk, So I started doing this at Largo in L.A And I would do Fito. I did this self defense expert. I did a bunch of characters. And you know, this scene was like where like Zach Gafinakis was, Nix Wardson. Oh Laro was great. Yeah, Lar is amazing. It was kind of like the only place I performed at And then Bob Odenkirk U had me on a pilot for a variety a sketch show called Next for Fox. It was just a pilot M. And I did these characters and you know, there were sketches with the, you know, everyone, there was like, you know, a cast and everything, but I had enough the pilot didn't go but I had enough video to send to SNL So we sent Did Odenkirk help you with that because he's a big deal at usN know? He really He is responsible for me having all that all of that together. And before that, I was just just at Largo. He was the one who sort of made the work that I did legitimate to be on a Fx pilot And he could spot that you were good He ye, he was he's great too. He's all that shit. he's amazing. Cozen does like three other great sketch shows. Yeah, inccredible. Yeah. And then from that video, this we sent it into SNL and Marcy Klein saw it. She sted it to Lauren next thing I know you. Marcy who's gonna to be on our part. M is coming on. yeah. She knows where all the bodies are buried.. I mean, she really, you know, made sure that Lauren saw it. the video. Yeah. And from there then I just, you know came into audition and I just did this. Was that like five years sorry, J just that timeline of what now it' like and four. It's like So let's let's of Yeah, something that was two thousand two is when I got on the show. and then U ninety nine is like kind I was making those videos. Like ninety eight, ninety nine. so yeah, whatever that is. And then were you ever a straight I'm sorry, a straight standup or was was like never. You just came up. I don't want to say variety, because it sounds like you're reducing it too much. So as characters, you go on and do But that's hard to find stage time if you don't go in and say, I'm a standup They don't know what to do with you, right? Yes, but there are venues and shows going on that where it works for the show. So there's like If you know, Patin Oswald and Paul F Homkins and cararry and Kil Gart for doing a show.. It's like the one little weird thing at the end that kind of works with the rest of the show. So that was like my little paprika at the end, yeah. Yeah That was like my sweet spot. So I did the audition as Fedicito, that Timbali player And I did him doing impressions and characters. So this way there's like a way in. does Liberacci. Yeah Yeah. I did Sam Waterterston from Law and Order And can we hear a t? you a picture? That's such a subtle one, is't it? The trial judge heard the testimony. Why didn't you call Why didn did't call the police? this you know, Oh yeah. that's awesome. He just has something like his teeth or something There's There's a way that that it's in his it's in like his It's very trebbly too Yeah almost garbly Yeah I kind of want to ask you because these are things that popp into my head. It's like your musicality and you're All that. How do you know, I mean, it's obvious it's informing your comedy And is that uh, how do you find that connection? likeike when I when I Was I guess you wrote a really funny musical thing we' in and I was watching you just tap it out on some little computer and yeah just like I don't know if there's been a cast member, who was really a musician like you were and a brilliant drummer I so we'll get to that later, but How does that inform your stuff? O is it just a completely separate part of your brain? No no it's just intuitive. It It's completely, it was the only thing I knew you know, like being in bands for that long, That's all I knew was music. And, you know, I did have aspirations to, you know I definitely had ambition to be on TV, but Uh, I was just in bands for so long that that's the only that's all I had was, you know, I could do parodies of songs or of a style. The one that we did that you're talking about was like a parody of just like new wave music. The sketch was, there's a Super Bowl party. they're watching the Super Bowl and then they pause it because like let's let this new wave band play so everyone's really upset. and it's really new wavy and Super d wavy. kindind of like a Yeah, Soft seell or the Pethop booys or something. But it's just all I knew. in just the same way that some people you know, could talk about their families or whatever or do impressions for you was just music is is like a crutch. It's like my only way in. It's a big plus on S andL if you can weave in music into something. they love it But like you Sam Waterston is kind of musical You know It's extenuating him into these musical rhythms. n, you know, that's a rim shot and He's like doing a speat, you know, he's like performing for the court, you know. Yeah. but picking that out. one in know It's like you're playing a cowb. It's one of those impressions where you don't know there's an impression and then you do it and everyone goes, Ohh wow And yeah Those are good because It's hard to break it's hard to break ground in impressions and just come up with a new one. But I think that Lauren is a really musical person. In fact it's It was like the first like, o, hello It's a hello, Fred. Hello. Hello. Hello. Do you mean as an impression of him or as a person? No, as a person, asred As a person, I think he's such a music fan that Oh yeah, that's where it was easiest for me to connect with him as a person. So for me to talk to him about all the musical guests he's had on the shows Interesting. It's such a quick, easy conversation to talk to him about all those music, which I love talking to him about You know, the bands that he booked and it's just easy. And he's into it. Like a lot of those were his decisions booking a lot of those bands. Fred, what do you think of Eagle Eye Cherry? Should we do it? I don't know if the year. Yeah I did when I hosted it was Eagle eyed Sherry and I go, Marcy, why do I get no offense, but I didn't know who that was. And then the next time I didn't and they go The formula is big host, we don't need a huge music eye arere you saying I'm a big host or like Well in this situation, it's a little different. I w No no, I like the first. I don't want to be exception to the rule. No. So yeah, it's fun to have I want I always wanted a big band, I remember when both both of you hosted. those were both really Did we do something with me you and Maya? and we were like We were dressed like very snooty and I came to your house or something. and we were we were this design couple. Yes. Like this Danish design so we had chairs and the whole job Ething's uncomfortable Design of the chairs. Yeah. I love Maya M and I did a song too, who cares? But back to Fred, Fred, you're going to get to talk at the end of this But I do have another sketch I like Dan and I'm going to tell Fred, just to, you know Boost is's like aic zone Yeah Uh H we ever had someone' his own out. A couple. Yeahah, we've a couple of No, I don't think so. We always have to scream at them for interrupting me and Dana talking when it's their show So you had one called Cocheck, but was that really cut Is that really wasn't on air? Yes, that's a cecily strong one as a great but but But they put it online, which is kind of the same thing. Oh, it's great. I mean, I wish we had fucking onlineline. Oh my. I know. B't haveress about stuff getting can you Ied to a joke about bestest of dress. Oh that'll be on bestest of Dress because it never gets on. She was your girlfriend So good. Girlfriend W. Okaykay. rememember when she kept saying that, you go, Hey, we're a couple now she goes, Cple. Wow. Okay. It' so good. That was really weird one and it was perfect because It was pretty simple And And Dana he kept asking for his coat. It's hard to explain. Yeah. I'm like this is not my coat. How This a coat I wouldn wear. Goddamn. You know how it is. I mean, but it seemed like it was working. But I do feel like it made its way on. I mean. Oh, well the fact that I saw it, like that's great. If anyone can just see it. Yeah. And I think they put it online the next day or something. So it's cool. had its own life for sure, but it was brilliant. Sometimes dresses are a little rough on the edges becausecause you don't even know the fucking lines. You haven't done it since Thursday or something Friday, you And you're just doing it live. you're like, I rehearsed this once two days ago and we're already in front of a crowd It's dressed, but you're still like figuring it out and youre remembering the blocking the air, you kind of go, okay, I know it a little better. Yeah. ye That's fun of That's the fun of dri I like that. Yeah. So I mean, there also there are those times where you don't quite understand what what's happening in the sketch. like Wh what am I in this? Yeah. Do I have an accent? I did a Jack Handy sketch with Robert Mitcham And neither of us knew what the sketch was about. He was a beekeeper in the Himalayas or something. Jack had you know Jack cant really stay around for you guys or No. He was gone already. Have you heard about him? Yeah, I mean, also his deep thoughts work is amazing. You know, That really stood the test of time. It's almost like a fake guy you hear deep thoughts of Jack Hy people would go, Wait, isnt a real guy? That's what I thought when I got there Right now, get up to fifteen percent off select Storage Solutions. P heavy duty HDX tots to good use, protecting what's important to you. 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You're like you're like fading in, but your sound is good Sheesz heaather made it worse Wow. Oh, there you go. There you go Federito. I didn't think that was possible. You know what? hashtag mansion probbs. Hey friend, did you what was your manion probbs U your team stuff, What was your favorite? Like, you know, I know you had the Californians, which I was watching that Like got maybe three weeks ago and you came in and there was you did it so earnestly Yeah your guy And it just I don't know, that sketch really kills me. And I guess the arbitrariness of that, I think Bill said you got on the sound stage and suddenly you were doing that guy or was it in read through It's it was like a comon it was really it was a bit also we would do at the table. You know that moment before you're actually reading the sketches. We did like we would, you know everyone goes to LA in the summer So when we came back, we would just start talking like, whereere were you wereere you Oh, I was in LA. Like, did you go barum? Did you make a left on? And then they sort of, you know built up and built we kept doing it. And then I worked with this writer, James Anderson. and I was like, what do we do with this Californians? What can we do with these directions? And he was simply like, why don't we just make it a soap opera And so it's such an odd call I know it That's kind of like the magic of how this is so corny. It's the magic of working with writers that like I never would have thought of that. And just to have someone say, let's make it a soap opera and then it's done Sorry for stand upps who write their own material for utterly and then when you get on SNL, And suddenly somebody is handing you something And you go, wow, this is great. Yeah. Yeah. And it just got handed to me. That was realatory to me like, Wow. or taking your idea and greatly improving it Oh, this is so much better Yeah. So it's it was exhilarating really You go a knock on anyone's door and you go We read this once if you have a second and they go E down he goes, you know, what I might What I might do is at the end There's something funny about if you just ever say that And I'm like, o, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah And then that's all you get. And then you go, and you figurered out. But if they can give you any anything Just fresh eyes, you know, and they're all smart So they're all thinking What's the best for this That's such a gift. It's the v to get people to write. And they care. They care about the peace being good So their their their advice is always the best advice. Oh I'd see them if you came off something that someone else had written and it worked, there was like a little quick little party. Yeah They of backstage like Oh man, crushed it. So know that was a real high for them and I didn't really realize till later that At least back then at least half the writing staff wanted to be performing As well. they they were they were in the writer's box for a while and then they, you know, like Bob Odakirk, you know, Yeah. And then he got C out of that. Now, they were both on ar C C it as well. They'd write themselves in just little things and it wouldn't seem to work. They would just Not that they weren't good, but they would be replaced. Maybe we had too many cast mebers It was very hard. It was because I was a feature player veryer hard to get on We had too many malthes to feed, and I think that's sort of the norm now, just too many How many were in your cast? You were in like different casts. I feel like you were Yeah, he was You like overlapped a bridge. Yeah. Yeah. It was tough when I got there because these guys Everyone's a fucking you know, first ballot Hall of Fer and and so you got, you know, you're going to Do something instead of Phil Hartman, no chance You could don Love it was even there for a little bit. Dana. and Dennis Miller, Jan Hooks and Nor Dun were on real. like Rayers So and then they influxed Varley and Taylor Schneider iss very good sketch guy Chris Rock, Chris Rock and Tim Meadow. So You know, it's just notot enough to go around It's just but what's the way But that's That's your memory of it as a viewer. I never thought about that. I was never like David Spade isn't getting en upone was like, I was always like, Did you see the thing that he did on update? Yeah? I's something for them to remember ye Yeah. and then that's like the yeah, that's the main memory from it. Never did I betterter to be in almost less than just make them try to work because told Dana that the first show I came in, they brought you in a day early to watch the show and Lovancez is all depressed. He's only in two things He goes, Well, Dana is in six and I go, I said what you said, I said, I've never seen this show and thought someone was light Still, I just think there's that guy up. Oh, that's funny. He's in that Yeah, whon't even was never counting lines or sketches and then when I got there, I fell right into I preferred personally like to be in two things, maybe. Totally. you know, O third as the supporting character. Yeah to shepherd a sketch. even one where you're kind of the executive producer of your sketch. Yeah is very nice. That's why And I was going to ask you about when you hosted S andL the difference in that because you you have to really let it go. there's you're you're kind of in pair thirteen or fourteen sketches six or eight get cut. So what was that like emotionally For you when you came back, you you did eleven seasons time as long as anybody. right Yeah huge run Yeah And then you come back and host and you come out and do your monologue and they're screaming, It's surre real, isn't it? how did you feel about it? I mean, I mean, I loved it so much. you know, like what a highlight in life, just in general Yeah. The experience, you know, of handing everything over, like I really was like I was still in the mode of like, oh man I got to take care of all these sketches, makeake sure I write this much And you're doing so much other stuff that everything is taken care of for you. So all these writers are coming up with stuff I didn't even have time to think and then it just turned out great on its own. So I really liked that part of it of just trusting everyone and then that worked out. I' laser focused on you Yes, and they know you. They know what you like to do and what, you know what's going to work? It's such a big transition on the show when you the audience starts to be familiar with you. and I don't know how many shows it takes, but you see people all the time who come on unknown and then they they turn it, turn it B, better, better. The audience goes, I like you, man or woman. Yeah. And then it gives you so much more confidence. Yes. because you can feel that they're on your side already as opposed to is this guy going to make it or is this woman going to make it on the show? And So when did you start to feel that? like Four years in, three years in That's what I was gonna say. I was gonna say like three or four years in. No I did this judge I What was his named Judge Sylin or something? and something He was like the An and Nicole Smith judge, you know? Oh yeah. Something in there felt like I had to work less M meananing like I was like, oh Please please like this. It felt a little more like I could come out and update and it was okay. And And you're right. Like there's a feeling of there's like of being familiar that I really liked. but something in that, I don't know Th years or something Yeah, that I think' pretty typical. And when you were out there with your different bandmates U it seem like you, you know, obviously had Garthen Kat with Kristian Wig, who's supernatural guest performer. And then you and Bill Hater. Just to me just had a symbiotic thing as well. We did. just mixed really well and We see someone you when you got out there and the band's playing, you get there doing your tie or whatever it is and you see Bill. He calms you down. I mean, how where were you on the nerves scale? I was kind of okay on the nerves scale. I don't know why. I just, you know, I just enjoyed it and had such a great time. but being with Bill Um really felt like I was really with my friend, like we made each other laugh so much and we just identified with each other, supported each other. S there was something in that relationship where It just was Um, Really supportive and fun all the way. God, he made me laugh all the time. I mean, everybody did, but there was something with him that I felt like we were going through I don't know, the same experience, you know, being ye Um Do you have a favorite writer Jam James Anderson because We wrote so much together. We wrote We just always ended up wrining together But you know have someone. Yeah. ye But you know, but when you're there, I mean, there's so many people who are so prolific. I remember when I first got there, seeing Tina F's work ethic, was incredible. B to. just to see how focused someone could be on writing without ego That was like a real It kind of I was like, that that's the way to be. That's the way to be a writer She was God, she's so good. She can churn it out. She can just write great jokes just one after the other. Yeah, I don't know. She has some kind of frequency that just they come to her. She reminds me of Steve Martin in many ways. I don't know why. I just kind of put them together in some ways. you know, they write great books and. ' They're intellectuals, but they don't wear it on their sleeve at all. You know No, there's a humility to it. Yeah, but it's still effortless somehow. They just sit down and then all of this stuff starts coming out Week after week. I couldn't believe it. So Yes,. But everyone Seth Myers is U alsoso great sort of u selfless and works really hard like he would just work throughout the whole night Were you hired as a writer performer No I was Just feature player. J feature player, but you know how it is. we just we write sureure. I'm just saying as Dane and I we ask people because I was a writer performer. I didn't want to be a writer and they wanted me to be more Th than they wanted me to be a feature players. And Schneider Same thing we hired together Day now was hired straight cast because he's such a home run hitter and then but no writing that kind of sucks because Everyone writes Yeah. so it's like who decides It's a weird decision to go, you're not a writer, especially feature because you're just scambling to get on, you have to write an upate or something. no one even knows you Yeah. We just accepted it. I mean, it's really just the plat the platform of being on S now. if you were a main player Phil did get a writing credit because he had written Pewe's Big adventure with H Pe Hermit. bad, bad app. I never added that a problem with it. but What one? Oh remember when he goes, I'm a bad, bad apple rocking the cor. Oh yeah. That was h I was in jail all the time So do you mind if we go back a minute and just talk about your drumming? ' I'm just a big fan of drummers and I have favorite drummers I loved your special U stand up For drummers? For drummers. where you just go through at the Great American Music Hall in San Francisco. Yeah. and all the kits set up and you did all the styles. Yeah so, so great. you get a lot of feedback from other musicians and drums about how It's like exactly First of all, thank you. That's very kind of you And u You know, I love drumming so much. It's like the biggest part of my life and you know, that's how I got into S busiz or entertainment. I just I still love watching drummers. I still love playing And u The things people have said to me it's like that was my goal. I was like, I just want something where like drummers can come up to me and feel like they're part of an inside joke that they can you know, have like a really heartfelt conversation about like, oh man, I'm a drummer and I know exactly what you're talking about And it's really that's really gratifying And that um That whole thing with the drum kits, was just like it visually looked cool just to have all It was awesome. and go to So it was you go one vis the other and play all these styles.. It's such a singularity as a stand upp specialist Yeah Yeah completely its own thing. But thanks. Thankk you. I love the way you play. I just would call you just very musical. You have a heavy foot Uh You you're very light on it, You're very organic with it. I just like to watch you play S drummers you can kind of work with them a little bit likeike are they going to make it? with you, I feel very relaxed I mean, wow what a thing to say. That's so so. I just all sincere. I just woered the drummers that inspired you stood out for you. I mean people Pepsi Coke it's always was for my generation with a friend of mine. It was Ringo Star. O or Rolling Stones Charlie Watts. Charlie Watts, are you like like you have to be one or the other. You're either Charlie Watts or Ringo star. That was like back in the seventies. And who was some of your favorites s? Well My favorite like the guy who like I really emulated was Cleen Burke from Blondie. And the first time I ever saw him was on SNL. Whoa. And he's's like ' you know, he's he dresses like in a little suit. like he looks like a mod and his drum kit is set up like it's like this red sparkle like very flat Yeah. And so the aesthetics of how he was, I was like, that's a great way to be So he was like, he's like my favorite drummer, but to your point, I love Ringo I think Everybody loves Ringo. I think there's like a myth that like some country doesn't have a bad rap, right? He doesn't not good. What's the myth? No The myth is sort of like, well, you know, he's people talk about him like, you know, he's actually a great drummer. Every drummer I know loves Ringo privately they'll go, no, those are Expressive fills. he's. everyone loves him Every you put on She Loves You on YouTube Yeah live remix and the way He goes to the lower to. I know he's a left handed drummer He's just this little phil Yeah. likeike he did these little fills and they were so electric and he gets shinier and brighter just like the whole band does. Yeah For me personally, I think that it was such a a wave that is still hitting the sand. We are trying to comprehend why and how that happened Yeah that much great music in seventy two months with these four guys. Yeah He was perfect for them. and everyone knows that sound. everyone knows You just you can picture, you can hear his drumming in your head when you think of any of their songs, you know? Yeah. he' stylized to the to the to the song. So when you're playing with your bands and you came up you kind of Divo cllash. Yeah, yeah, yeah. all that that type of sound. And what is the? I'm doing Divo Don't. Andre you're kind of probably a ride the pocket guy with with with some fils or you just no How would you describe yourself? Ride the pocket Ride the po Well, the ride the pocket is a Yeah likeike fewer fil. There's this thing at had gain, you integrate the films into the beat. Yeah. That's yeah, that's exactly what I was going to say that in New Wave and in punk, they had this thing where like they would do these busy beats, these beats that were like that had Ts in them You know, throughout. Yeah. So it wasn't a fill. It was just like bump,, b. So the Ts were in it without like a crash at the end of it. It was just like, that's what the beat was. And that's how I learned Alan Myers from Deivo played like that So yeah, it was just it was just part of the beat. So but it was all none of it was complex. time signatures. They were all four four So I'm really into like four on the floor, just keep the kick drum going I like the simplicity of that. But yeah, it's like busy, but those aren't fills. Can you play to a click track in a studio? Does it throw you or does it help you It helps. It's frustrating. I'm like I actually I don't think I'm great at tempo. I think I speed up U so sometimes I have to, especially during the pandemic, there was like a lot of stuff that I had to do to a click But now I'm used to it. So it's f don't know. it's like dot dot on your headphones. And on the fourth beat, you come in. Yeah. and it sounds like this on the headphones Like looping It's just so that you don't lose the tempo You know, Lateran over there. Yeah, yeah. Yes, ye. he's likely to producer. Do you find yourself drumming like if you're driving a car or just drumming with your mouth? or tapping away all the time or tapping on your keyboard, fingers just doing a be stuff like that. Yeah me too When you drive, I just love rhythm Yeah, yeah What about you who's your favorite drummer I don't know I think time there is a The most mesmerizing thing I watch a couple of times a year, there's so many buddy rich solos There's one I think is's a black and white, whatever to me his just technical skill is so mesmerizing. Yeah and that solo that he does. And he did it over and over again, but it builds to a certain way and he's got the snare going from super fast to like just down to nothing. and then right back again. And then he's doing all the fills and all the stuff. But you know I was listening to Fleetwood Max the other day because I have a car stereo that blows my mind And I just go, man, I love Mick Fleetwood He has a sound and a pocket that' so simple, but it it really Waightits all that brilliant melody So I kind of that' I go a band Yeah, it's so basy. I mean, obviously John Bonhom, everyone says him. I still don't understand him I don't know where he got his sound, like his kick drum The value of that with his snare blows my mind, you know, just the sound of it and how it was m I know, you know People catch l zapppling People keep trying to explain him his style or how he got that sound and I've heard so many different explanations. So I've heard people say, Well, he's actually very jazzy and he plays lightly. It's the way he tuned his drums. and I have no idea. I'm the same. I have no idea how he got be that way. I' Keith Moon I love, Keith Mon I can listen to forever. Love Keith Moon. I couldn't imagine anyone better No, who's who's next the way It' so busy, but it's so part of the music. Yeahah, he's like a genius. He's fun. He's like it's fun to listen to him. Playful and fun. Yeah. Oh David, I feel bad We won't talk about drummers. I just I'm sorry. Jeeesus. Let's talk about Tinder and how to meet a g. David I'm I'm looking at his Google. fear of heights and he feels bad for everyone he's gone out I think I have one of those So those are those sure quotes? These are quotes, yeah. Fear fear of heights and feel bad for. N any I feel less that way. I mean, that quote Oh good. W those I feel less that way as, you know As time has gone on, I feel like I'm not married, so I feel like I'm not nailing it somehow. That's not true. That' That doesn't have to be the endo because some people do get married and it doesn't work out. Yeah, I know. So go easy on yourself on that. I Thankk you because it is tough because it is it is, if you really think about it, it's very hard to sync that up Perfectly. It's very But I would say true. Yeah. And Dana did it right and that's why I got to deal with Dana because he He's had the same beautiful wife forever. I was a terrible single person. It was just I would feel So sorry because no woman who wanted to be with me was carnal about it if they wanted a boyfriend. He's cute, you know. And if I was there for other purposes. but I I really enjoy Be married, I like having a friend. You melded into each other. We She listens to the podcast. She's our. She's our eyes and ears She's my confidant Like I run everything by her just because she knows me since nineteen seventy nine. Oh, that's so nice. You know. And she enjoys this podcast. And I go, really? because I can't listen myself Bowviate. But Fred, can I you're blowviate. you're You're an emotional character and you're a sensitive character. and I remember you likeike we all are. We clowns that are wounded, but whatever whatever it came from. But I want to ask you first You sent me an email after you left SN andL and you you kind of said, how do you process no longer being on the show. spepeak to that. Yeah. because like I'm like I I like the experience of being an ex cast member, because we all get to go back and do stuff But yeah, you know that feeling, because I used to or still do admire ex cast members. I like how they go on to do other stuff A You know, there's something about that tradition Whatever it is, movies, other TV shows. I was like, what is that life like And you know ust seeing how Molly Shannon was afterwards and she didn't keep working on stuff And then H Just watching your career. same, same thing. I was like Dana Carvey do afterwards And then Every year there's a new feeling, like, okay, I'm still kind of there. I know a lot of those cast members another I'm talking about SNL Right. And then it just turns couple a couple more of cast members and and about four or five years, all of a sudden, it's all new people and you start to see people you do not know And so Um, that feeling that's what I was asking you about. I was like, what is what does that look like? What does that feel like? I kind of like it. every year that goes is just like you're further and further away you know, ye from from like the the actual you know, the blood, the meat of the of the sh. Well, how about hosting when you don't know anyone? It's just so much because you go, I wish I could host When I was on the show and you go, I know everything works. I know everyone is and Perfect. First of my houses I knew few people, I think second time I didn't know one person. And then you feel scared, like, Oh, I feel like a real host What does everyone do? Who's that? you know people talkking to I don't know if they're a castmer. I don't know if they're writer How do you handle it, friend? alone when people or other performers or people come up and sort of, you know Uh, tell you very, very flattering sincere things. like you're in that mode now. I'm sure if you run into cast members now somewhere they would be Fred Armmson, I got to tell you that sketch you did and It's all it's all a surreal circle and it's still going and the fact that we're Part of the continuum is sort of where the gratitude comes in. But how do you handle people just tht armor, getet out of town? so nice. And people are really kind. People are so nice about it. They say all the right things and remember all the sketches that I love. They love doing deep cuts. Someone will mention, you know, a dress rehearsal sketch I love it because that's the way I was when, you know I got to meet Whoever it'shevy Chase, you know, whoever it is the Um, Lorraine Newman I'm the same way. so I like that. I like that tradition and just people are just C cool. I don't know where when they get excited, it's also they While they're talking to me, they're figuring out other things you've done or other sketches you also ye because when they walk away, they go, o, I didn't even think that that's cool. Like I just saw your new girl your new girlfriend sketch where you played Regina or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Goddamn that was fun. Also with James Anderson. That was like an intellectual. I just like, you know, someone it' that's People who don't like to do small talk, like every conversation has got to be deep. Yeah, exactly. I knowee like that premise is just so great and it's well Rather than just church lays out there. She's not. No, it's fine. I mean, every era has its own It just evol sibility. Once you get to us now, even back when I was there, you're going everyvery sketch has been done, you think in your head Right. And then it's been twenty more years of just new sketches, but It's hard to crack the code. It's like writing a song. kind of like when they did. this is kind of It's hard. I know and the the game of which cast was the best and you forget all that. Yeah. The current cast is the is always the best. I agree. And also for every cast, there's always a great enough people in it that you could pick out stuff that is, you know Yeah. that's's fantastic. And I still great writers. They still look. I know Dan Bouull is a writer there. That's the only one I think I know, but These guys come up. I watch the sketches, even if somehow it doesn't work I look at the writing and go, shit, man, that was a good idea. you know, They did it pretty well There's still good stuff and they probably get hammered right now about it. L because like every present cast there people'ad because the old oness gone. Yeah But I I watch all the time. If you can do like you were kind of like a jazz player, I'm just using it words loosely, but if you can do dry smart stuff and make it kill. with like huge laughs. you know, that's always a real rush There' some things are more rock and roll and more high energy and pushed and some are kind of subtle and a little different. But when when you hook the audience on SNL on one of those, it's really fun. I got it with Carson. That was It was a very for my part in that sketch was very dry. Did you have some favorites kind of? It's hard to ask people their favorites. No the on I don't m like the way you envisioned it and the way it turned out, you know, I think Because the thing is like as much as I could take credit for it. I gott to give credit to Luren. That's why it's easy to talk about.'s He's the guy to You know, on paper, it looks like it's not going to work. And he's the guy who goes, let's put it on and see if it's going to work out. And for me, it was like this comedian I used to do an update who had had no punchlines. L he just would open up a newspaper and just point out the headline. Can you do that on command? Could you do ten seconds of it? It's just kind of like, you know, you pick up the New York Times. He interrupts himself. Yeah, it's just him going like like Look at this. The Congress is going donate it's going to have like eight billion dollars for the Ukraine You can't. You can't There's no On any other day, If any of us and he just keeps going until there's no, you know there's no there's no punch line. It's just pointing things out and being outraged. It's very really fun another then another headline. Anyway. It sounds like I don't mean to pat myself on the back about it. I know I feel bad. you got to like some of them. come on. No that that's a skilled thing. If you try to do it yourself, it's it's difficult. It's not to make a weird b like that and get it to work. It's fucking huge victory.. And yeah, and the fact that they put it on update, I just feel like There's no jokes in it and then you know, and but you know, we do give Lauren credit for stuff like you just said that he will go for the really weird dry things Sometimes he likes the rock and roll things. he likes a mix, he likes big laughs, but he also Let's just see if it works. Everyone has a lord impression officially. what's your take? I like doing the one U I like doing the one of of like the warm greetings. So like if if everyone comes out to dinner, you know, there's this thing that he does where he's sort of is super polite and if he saw you, he'd say like, hello Dana Hello, David L like a very warm.. I like that That's a frequency I've not heard. That' that more. Yeah one always is doing this No, no no, no, no no, no no, no Yeah no no you know, Yeah that that's an exaggeration of Lauren backpedaling because you misunderstood what he was saying. Yeah. All I'm saying is that this and that Well, you mean we shouldn't put it on no, no, no, no, no, no, no And then you get them back And then you get them back. But you can't imagine SNO without Lauren. I just think he's the He's obviously the lynchpin sensibility wise. I think the the Ivy League guys come in And they respect his intellect. They respect him as a smart person. Yeah And he has that and he also likes, you know, stand upps that kind of shoot for the fences. Yeah. Before we go, I always know we don't have to wrap up because I'm having so much fun, but I always like to ask our guests three things J just I like to put I'd like to put you at like, you know, eight, ten, eleven years of age. So a toy don't if you don't have to answer, you don't have a toy that you remember that you really liked as a kid, a bicycle that you might have got and any music or television show or film that really rocked your B of your mind in those formative years. So you're saying eight Well like what grade is that? Well I always say five to twelve is the formative years. So like kids like like a you little kids. Yeah. I had rock ' and sockin robots to get you started They didn't last long, but that really blew my mind R Yog I would say I think I really liked. I had like six million dollars man action figure. Yeah And it there you go. It had so many details to it. Like you could add so much to it. Yeah Yeah. put on little helmets. Yeah, yeah, little helmets. then the eye. And you know exactly what I'm talking about The eye like you could look through the eye and it sort of like blinked. It had like didn't have a light, but like a sort of lens. And then if you rolled off his skin off of his left arm There's the mechanics of his bionic arm. it was really cool. And you were like It takes take a lot of imagination ' it looks cool, but it doesn't really do much. So you've got to kind of make your own scenarios in your head, which is good. Would you Yeah put it in dirt and stuff and make a little trench O it'd be like a little I don't know a rocket ship or some rocket he was in, you know, I don't know ome vehicle of some kind. So there were a lot of things you could get for it that I really liked U bicycle, I had like a I'm thinking of the word Apollo. I had an Apollo something like a yellow one with like a banana seed . I grew up in the suburbs of New York and I remember endlessly riding with my friends. I was really young, but there was no sense of like, hey, be careful? None. tell us it was just not a helmet in sight Nothing you know, main streets like with traffic and me and my friends would just ride around and forever. All afternoon, notot even being careful, notothing Oh yeah Nothing. Nothing. wipe outs you just had to get home like squeaks, squeaks. Lgs bleeding. Yeah. wasn if you can look back in a sense memory way when you had your I had a sting ray kind of a knockoff, but you get on your bike in Saturday morning and you start going and the wind is in your hair and Yeah youre you're pedaling this bike. And then if you go shoot hoops or run around a park for a school Y bike'es just tilted over and you go and you get your bike with your friends. It's just sort of magic. Yeah Yeah. And the aimlessness of it, like also being with your friends and you're just You know, Yeah going up hills and yeah. yeah, ye. that's it. just like laughing with them when it's not a school day and you've got the whole just do anything It's getting dark. I remember the getting dark part. That's kind of like, Yeah, all of a sudden it's like there's no lights and your friends look different in the light You know, you got to get home. You need to get home and it's getting darker and darker Yeah, yeah. best, the best. It's funny that there's dirt involved. I feel like there's a lot of dirt like Fld jump. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, a park where there was mud. someomeone made a little dirt jump. Yeah, Yeah I could do really I could do it really for like a quarter I I had A. You had a kind of a very light chain Yeah, I had rain. Heavy b I had a BMX bike. so Once I got it Yeah. I was a skateboarder too, I don't know that helped. I could do God in Willie. and I thought it was King Cck I had medium dick energy. King Cck. was that a doll that you had too and when you were ten, you know, like King Cck. That would have been a great doll This episode is brought to you by State Farm. Listening to this podcast instead of doom sccrolling? Smart move Another smart move Getting help from one of State Farm's nineteen thousand local agents when you choose to bundle home and auto. Bundling. Just another way to save with the personal price plan. Prices are based on rating plans that vary by state. Coverage options are selected by the customer. 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You're irreplaceable, Jane Another you would be great. Hire wr the first time. Post your job for free on LinkedIn today at linkedIn d. com slash quality So Fred, also just I like either TV shows or movies that blew your mind between. I think I think twelve, whatever. I don't know if this was eight and twelve. I think it might might be It could be thirteen. There's no heart. It's just a conversation starter. For some reason, Planet of the Apes jumps out at me as like of like the idea that like I thought about Planet of the Apes all the time So was there was there was the movie, but there was still this sort of there was this still like in my head I'd be like, wow, the statue of Liberty and they took over and you know, there were these intelligent intellent Stat of Liberty at the end where you like, what the? Yeah. That was unreal. I was like this No way. whereere are they? I know. Rod Surling, I guess came up with that. Did you notice after the spaceship crashed that they they walked across the desert for like twenty minutes having philosophical arguments Jum Heston and the two astronauts. and then they reveal The the monkeys riding horses. Yeah, with the with the nets and they're all grabbing with the nets and the music. Yeah. That was, you know, Bill Hater, yourre bandmate He mentioned his one was taxi driver. What? That was the movie that blew his mind. He saw it when he was young. I mean, I did not Very dark. No I saw No I was a I was a a g drive. I was a g. I wouldn't understand how crazy that was. I didn't made me scared or sad or something. Yeah. Bil would have went like int tenent was old or something, but he always, you know, I was like lder, you know, I'm like very sensitive. so I couldn't handle those movies. Yeah, I saw a taxi driver. I kind of blew my mind No Bill Hater. Yeah. I know. I don't know His voice is so interesting And then he he went into a Daniel D Lewis in There will be blood that his voice was so transformed because his speaking voice, you don't wouldn't imagine he'd have such a range that he has. Yeah. because he's just kind of actually bas. Hey, how are you? Yeah. I'm su interesting p of them. It's not enough that I sh shoot. But now what about what do you think goes on in in Bill's skull. Like where why can he do that? Like why can he do that with his voice? That he can go that deep, but he tus up here Yeah U That's unique. I think that's kind of unique. real physical it's like it's talent, but there's something physical going on. Like something's wrong with them. Yeah Yeah because he he could go into Howard Stern like really deep Yeah, like he goes Yeah really bas. I found that really hard and I felt I found which a guy you did to. Obama difficult your Obama at that right. The basin is That's I finally got it. That's what we got to do. Th about Obama. You got to stay calm We're going to be fine. There's no reason to p go through a thing. So I finally do them now and now I feel like I got him. but back in the day it was like so b down here We didn't know him very well I guess. No, when my first four years, I did him didn't work at all. Even his second term a little more, but I can do him now and everyone Yeah successful. We love him. He's no drama, Obama. So he's just to me no drama guy. That's what That's what he was. Save the drama for Obama Did you watch any for music, centurry musician, onene last question. What was your first like record you bought or the love You mean as a little kid? As a little kid. I bought Do you want to know a secret as a forty five in nineteen sixty. Yeah, ' I want to hold your hand was sold out. Yeah. It was do you wantan to know a secret and I don't know if it' please please me. I don't know anyyway, forty five. Yeah. We listen. Do you w to know a secret D. Wait, wait, where did where did you grow up? I from Montana, but I grew up in the peninsula San Carlos, twenty miles south of San Francisco And the Beatles came on at Sullivan and I went down to this little recorder store. I must have stole some quarters for my dad stole answer I don't know where I got. I think it was fifty cents for forty five. and I remember was I was disappointed because I wanted, I want to hold your hand and I saw her standing there. But I had three older brothers so they probably had them already. I don't know why. I just p sure you were you. I picture you buying LPs for some reason. Later, yeah, in the very beginning, we were buying both, but all of us were buying albums later. and my brothers were, they were older than me. So but in the beginning it was a forty five Wow. kindind of hip. I know I'm so old, Fred. I'm you would believe it, Fred. I go way back. Don't let this face fool you Wow, so you were getting forty fivees. In early days and bought I bought the Beach Boy album with my brother and we had a band called The Surfers and my kick drum was a clothes haamper. and my Hardy Boyys book was my sare drum and I stole drum sticks from Mickey Hart's drum store. The guy was in the grateful deead Wow Welcome to my podcast. does you get? What's your first drum set, by the way Um, like Like a weird mix, I think a Japanese made U sort of I think it was like a knockoff of a grech. So it had that sort of you know, pearl inlay to it but it was like Fake and cheap, but was but it was great. I loved it. I love my kid. It was like a, you know, we got it used. my dada got it for me and first record My parents got me The Candy Man by Sammy Davis Junr. Grect? Oh really? Oh Yeah, yeah. That's like the first memory of like I mean, w. I think I was really little, buty I' been a ra for now Yeah. very It is great. Yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah. Sammy Davis was genius. There's a documentary on him, you know, just and so such a great drummer and great d dancer talk about entertainmenter rhythm And then my parents would get me Beatles albums during the seventies, like they were already broken up, but then I'd get Solo albums and stuff like that. which one rocked your world? Ram. Yeah. Hamachartne Ram Round Ram is that's my favorite album ever That's a masterpiece. Yeah I love. Yeah, it is brilliant. That is probably his best. McCary I He had gems on every album. I every I know Ram I love M O now It's this nineteen seventy one album that is boy that blew my mind. I I still listen to it It's like a weird, it's like a hip it's like a weird like, Countryous hippie Oh Kind of it's an experimental album, I would say And he won't play those on his tour, right? I'm sh about it. I don't think I've ever heard one song from an alb Are you familiar with Arow right through me from Back to the Egg I think. It's one of his best songs. 'a that horn part, The horn part at the end is insane. b bum bum bum, bum bum, bum b Wow, this is making my day friend bum bump Be it turns around weird, like it doesn't land on the Arow throughrew me. God, it's so good. Oh God it, Fred, you made my day. someomeone else knows back to the eggon arrow comes Ces. Geez, that's awesome This is the greatest podcast ever. Anyway, Fred We love you. We just say that now I'm old enough now. I just say I love you to love you. I love the both of you. I admire the both of you. I look up to both of you and I love hanging out with you guys. And thank you for chatting, buddy. It's a lot of laughs. Let's Let's have let's have let's have let's have a lazy dinner one of these nights in LA. somewhere. run into it Lo. Yeah, I feel like we I feel like the three both of you, I feel like we do run into each other once in a while. I bet we. throughrough Largo and this sushi restaurant we go to right near Largo. you never say it was't. Well I don't know if I'm supposed to say it. there's no one there. If you go with Sandler or Conan, there's nobody on the street with cameras It's just fair It's meellllow s Great place to have a conversation and hang out, so. Fred will go and Dana will buy. Okay please do your f baby. Thank you friend I love it. And you did the wholeor part of the end. Oh, I love that part Yeah So much fun, Fred. Thanks for. Thanks for asking me to do this This was awesome. All right, love my brghters. Love you. Okay. Bye bye. All right, listen, if you're enjoying the fly on the wall, of course, hopefully you are. cllick follow. We don't want to be desperate, but obviously smash that goddang button. on favorite podcast.. Leave a review, a good one Leave a five star rating, nothing elseook. and maybe even share an episode with a friend If you're watching this episode on YouTube, please Subscribe, Dana, what do you think? I'm gonna tell you this right now. 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