Closing thoughts and upcoming merch

All right, welcome back to football with Ben Rothelsberger. We're in the basement. We've taken another week. We've had another bye week. Just bringing you guys life today because there's not much to talk about. We do have the draft coming up soon. There's some franchise tags being thrown around um so yeah we're just gonna kind of throw some unique things at you guys we're gonna talk about some thoughts on picks we're gonna update you guys on life what's going on but again this is going to be boring for anybody outside the family, I'm guessing. He y. I was just I had nothing. We don't really have much. We do have some. We're gonna throw a lot of you're gonna be all over the place today. Yeah. Which is if you are a fan of this show, you're like, yeah, that's every week. When aren't you guys? Sorry guys. You're talking about life. Li fe. Funny thing about life. Funny thing. You know it just lots of funny things about life. But what's one that you're thinking of? Just keeps going, you know? Year after year. Until it keeps till it doesn't. Till it don't till the one time till one time it don't. But this year for you it did. Yes. You know what I mean? Oh, or you're talking about yesterday. We are celebrating sitting here, folks, post birthday. Yes, I did. Our fearless leader Seb. I don't know how you spell that. S E V E E. Um Keisel puts an M in there, I think. A V maybe, a B, some silent Q for sure. It's visually silent. You don't see it either. Just two. Happy birthday, dude. Two M's. Thank you, buddy. Yes. Four to four yesterday. Jeez. I know. It's a lot of years. It's a lot of years. You look good. I'm not just flattering you, man. Like I feel like for what you do for a living or did for a living um it would uh take a toll, but like you're uh forty fourth the new twenty five. The great thing about the show is that they don't have to see me get up very often. Not a lot of moving. Sitting here is not hard most of the time. Um but yes, I did I. had a great birthday yesterday. And that being said, I would like to share with you a little bit of our birthday cake kind of that we do. So I brought you a piece down. Thank you so much. I'm just gonna explain to you. Okay. Alright. This is not traditional birthday cake, but this is a Rothels burger. Um, oh yeah, do you guys want to see it? Yeah, my camera, I gotcha . Oh, look at that. Okay, so this is a graham cracker crust. Let's see. With it's fro zen with chocolate and then like a cream. So it's a chocolate cream pot. But it's a frozen one. So this is like as long as I have b can remember, this has been like my grandma made this. My dad's mom made this. This was all the boys. So my dad, my grandpa, my two uncles, me, anybody who had a birthday or a holiday for the most part, this is what you got. It was birthday cakes. It was chocolate cream pie. And it was always like this. And so and like anytime we went to grandma's house, the first thing you do is you walked in the doors you you give grandma a hug hey grandma grandpa and then we'd run to the freezer we'd open the freezer to see if there was a pie in there and just because you never know when grandma just wanted to make a pie for her only grandson. Right. So now my dad then has taken over the tradition of doing this, and then most recently, my sister. So this pie was made by my sister for my birthday. I had a couple extra pieces I'm sharing with my dearest friend. Well, that is tough. So we are going to enjoy. I hope I'm gonna enjoy it. If you don't I'll eat your piece too. But yeah. Um and then the this actually this is just extra graham cracker I put on top. Typically there's no graham cracker on top. That little those little crumbs are just crumbs I throw on top. Hey, well that no, I I I mean that was the first thing that stood out to me as uh as you brought this down. I was like, that is a that is a well thought out crust you have there. That's my stuff. And it's it's all and it's all homemade. Yeah. Like it's not a crust. You don't buy the crust and put the stuff in it. I'm going in. All right. Happy birthday. Thank you. Appreciate it. Thank you, Car ly. Dear Lord, I wish we sold that in the merch store. That is amazing. Ye ah. Um, this won't be this won't last long, folks. Don't worry about this. Yeah. Um, so yeah, had a great birthday. Shees h. Um I got I told Ashley yesterday at the end of the day, I said, I wish we could have more than one birthday a year, maybe once a month. And she's like, Well, why? I'm like, Because the kids are at that age where like it's like no it's dad's birthday do this be nice do everything he says like right away everything he says don't give you hey listen dad wants this dad how can we help you how can we make your dad day better what can we do to give make you happy today, Dad? And I'm like, golly, this is awesome. You know ? So I've cracked the code. Oh yeah? Yeah. I have the month of June. Yeah. So you have Father's Day. Oh, yeah. My birthday's in June. Also our our anniversary. Me and my wife's anniversary is in June. So I get real. I stacked it up strategically. Uh so eleven months out of the year, you just you just gotta go. Yeah. Yeah. And then one month , you know . So what's that song? Wanna talk about me? Wanna talk about number one? Yeah. So yeah, it was a great day. I got a um some of the highlights. We usually talk with the Ralph Spurs, get you like a week for your birthday. Oh yeah? It's kind of a cool thing. But the kids don't week but birth week. You know, you get like desserts for a week, you know. So I was in there working out for this so you knew this. You knew it was coming. Yeah. Wow. She made me like one of the most thoughtful cards. You know, like like not just thoughtful in the sense of like she drew a picture and she drew a school the funny thing, funny thing was I should have brought down. She drew a school bus with me driving, which is very fitting. Yes. 'Cause that's us every day. That's your job now. With Ashley in the front seat, which is most days. And then she put like the windows. Cause part of the thing is most of you guys will understand this out there that have multiple kids if you're taking your kids to school. I mean I assume everyone deals with this, is who sits where' its not's not the same, it same seats. It's like oh yeah, because you know, we have we take my wife's car most time. You have like the two, you know, the two front seats and the two captain seats, whatever behind and then the the the back row of the suburban. Yeah, so it's always like okay, who can sit, and when we drop off at school, it's you know, you get out the same door, so it's the passenger, right passenger, rear passenger door. So that's like prime seat A1 because you're the first one out, you're the first one kind of getting to school, which is so weird. Like I'm in the back. I'd want to be in the back, like last one out, because I don't necessarily want to go to school. But they want to like maybe a friend's walk and they're like, yeah, I get my you know, so seat one is right there. Seat two is behind the driver and then seat three is in the back. Okay. So no one in in just like typical parenting, uh, again, I I assume this is everybody, or at least most people, is the first two kids to the car in the morning, like both go to the captain's seats, and I'm like, hey,, you know someone's gonna get in the back. So then we had so then we had to figure out then we would like draw cards to see who gets one, two, three. We'd rolled, we've rolled dice before, we've done paper, rock, scissors. So I said, I got so tired of them like arguing about who's going where. I said, okay, here's what we're gonna do. And now my kids only go to school for uh Monday through Thursday. And so we said, okay, here's what we're gonna do. Mondays, Benjamin, you get you're you're the oldest, seat one. Bailey, then is two, and Bodie three, and we rotate day two, day three. You know, it's just some. And then Thursda y is like a then we'll do like something fun. Like, or you guys can learn to be gracious. Who would have thunk? And like, you know what, I'm gonna do this for my, I'm gonna let them sit here. Selfless. And they and I sometimes I think they also ask like, is mom coming today? Hoping mom like they think they want her to come, but if she doesn't come then the front seat's now open. Ah more options, more problems. All that to be said, she drew a picture of a bus with me and Ashley in the front, and then she drew three windows with three kids in it. She was the first one. That's right. That's right, babe. I said, Babe, did you put yourself in the front? See on purpose? She's like you know what did I uh that's crazy. That's I just want you to remember how this looks. Um so but the um with the but the thoughtfulness of the c ard was um the way the like the writing. Like she wrote, like she got to the point where she's she loves to read and she was like it was like this super thoughtful card. Like nice and long, not just like dad, love you, you're the best. Like just a really thoughtful card. It was like almost like it probably did make me a little emotional. But uh so that was super, super sweet. Um and Bodhi made me a card, like got a like an actual card . Um I think he found it. My wife's you know, probably in her like office or something. Yeah. Because like, where'd you get the card? He goes, it was a mom's office. But it was like one where you play, it had a rooster on the front. And you put you push the button and did the and you know the whole chicken dance and then he wrote on it what's a what day he wrote like in the hand like what's what what day of the week does a chicken not like Friday. Ah yeah. And then inside he wrote me even at nine. He wrote me a pretty thoughtful thing. Like but his thoughtfulness, I'd even show it to Ashley yet. She she might not like this, but good thing she doesn't watch the show. Um it said something like Dad, I love you so much, like you're the best dad, you do so much with me, you let me do so many more things that mom doesn't let us do or something. I'm like, Yeah, that's a win. Usually I'm the one that's like the bad guy. You gotta hide that card, bro. You gotta hide that card. Um, but that was super thoughtful. And then last night, Benjamin for dinner, um, after dinner, I could s actually and Bailey went to the back so I'm like, Okay, it's like they're gonna do the cake thing, you know? Yeah. And Benjamin comes out with an amp and an electric guitar. And I'm like, nice. What are we doing? So he's like tinkering around like the smoke on the water smoke on the water. Fire on the water smoke and water. Yeah. So he's just tinkering around. And then all of a sudden like they come around the corner with the candles and he plays happy birthday on electric. So it was really good. And he didn't know he learned it earlier that day. My man. So it was really cool. So he was like dad I'm I'm s and he and he he said he felt like he messed up because he was like nervous because the cake was going fast and he had to like speed up or something. So he's like, Dad, I screwed it up. I'm sorry. Everyone made you these thoughtful cars. I'm like, buddy, it was so cool that you did it. Like so I had to tell him. So big props. All three of my kids. You guys are amazing. And my wife obviously is is the rock of the family. So I'm so thankful. It was a great day. I had the Sunday had the f like my parents, her parents, my sister and all of them were over and we did our like birthday dinner. Nice. Um and then last night was more dinner and more desserts. So it was great. But it's been a so I know that's a long winded um talk like kind of filler on what was going on, but it was I just wanted to give shout outs to my sister for the pie, my wife for the other dessert, my dad for making the steak, my my mom for the cheese and potatoes, my mother in law for the doubled eggs, and then Oh you eating good but she's like do you want um do you want the these kind of rolls or do you want the corn I said, listen, I only have room for steak and cheese potatoes. Like I don't I don't I don't eat anything else. So and dessert. So but it's it's been good. Thankful for the kids for all their thoughtfulness. So yeah, to learn uh to take the time to learn a song and perform it, man, that's really cool. Yeah. Um I mean all of it is you know, you have a traditional dessert that has has kind of followed you through the As long as I I mean I talk forty some yeah, I mean as long as I can remember I've eaten that. Do you have a birthday dinner that stays the same as well? Yes. Okay. My flank steak. Dad makes a flank steak so it sits in a marinade for like a day and a half. Um that I think you've probably had it before. Yeah. Birth week birthday week around the Rothelsburger house, you just find Spence here. Oh, I'm sorry, I was getting some some gear. Is that I just linger. Yes. Uh and then I do like a cheesy tail that either my wife or my mom makes. Yeah. Those are the only two things I want to eat. I've added my my mother-in-law makes a really good doubled egg. Yeah. So that that kind of got added in. She didn't know, you know, people were like, What do we get you? I'm like, you just give me doubled eggs. It's fine. Like food was good. I don't need anything. So but it was a great, it was a it was a great day. Um that's awesome. Yeah, I we I feel like all of the friends like because we love you and we wanna like get you I I always try to result to funny things. I like I got you that painting that one year. Yes. I was telling Kansas I, was like, Man, what do you like what do you get um what do you get bed? Thingamabobs? He's got 20. And that's obviously a lyric from the Little Mermaid. Uh made my uh wife laugh. But um I think it's it's the thoughtful gifts, yeah, the funny gifts. And I will say a gift that is a a mainstay on this show, which I would like to give to you today. Okay. And it's the first beer here. Let's go. Right. And so the here's the deal with today's beers is that it is beginning of March. Mm-hmm. And spring is springing. Spring is sprung. Spring is sprung. Spring is spring I will say spring is gonna say sprung. The problem is that I drove to your house in rain in a gray sky, which is like I don't know Pittsburgh's uniform. Yeah. Yeah. And um I know. We've had some like spring has teased us a few times. It was like it RSVP'd. Yeah. Spring is RSVP'd and said, I'm gonna be there. Sorry if I'm a little late, but I can I get chicken uh on the menu. That darn pucks with Tani Phil. I know dude. Just keep the spring away longer. How much do you how much do you agree with that this the groundhog scene? Where does it where did that come from? I have no idea. Just if at some point in time at somebody in Pennsylvania is like, hey, I don't guys, this is crazy, but every year when this groundhog comes up, if it's gets scared, I noticed that there's more winter. I think there's a correlation here and we should make a holiday around it. I mean there's zero chance he sees his shadow. I mean he sees a shadow every year because there's enough lights. Sure. From the cameras and stuff like that. Impossible not to see a shadow, I think. That's but that's a uh whatever. Oh Punks of Tani Phil . That's what do we got over there? This is line all the beers, all the beers sit there from Line and Google. Because this is like a spring right. I've only I think I've only ever had their summer shandy. Which I which I like their summer shandy. I think that's everybody, right? And so these are three that are not the summer shandy. I think there are two that you will enjoy, one that you do not oh both. Happy birthday. Yeah. But it's a birthday present to the people. Yes. Right. Because I think every once in a while, I think sometimes when one of us has a birthday, we all have a birthday. Exactly. So this is it. This is uh Line and Kugel's Honey Weiss. All right. It's Weiss beer brewed with real Wisconsin honey. Wisconsin honey. Yeah, which you know Wisconsin known for their cheese, apparently their honey and their edge rushers. Yes. Alright, so here is that. Look at that color. That's a beautiful. That's a butte. Here's the can here if you want to look. Actually, I'll read the little bio here. Since 1867, six generations of our family have brewed beer in Chippewa Falls, Wisconsin. Lining Kugel's honeyweiss is brewed with a touch of honey from our home state of Wisconsin. That's where Line Cooper was from. It's from Wisconsin. I didn't. Yeah. We invite you to visit our brewery and Liney and Liney Lodge. The Liney Lodge. The Liney Lodge and see where it all started, the Line and Kugel famil y. Here's to you, Line and Cool. Happy birthday . You know, that's I think what's crazy is we didn't people didn't know you share a birthday with Line and Co ol? Just the whole famil y. Um the honeyweiss . I don't really taste the honey. Wow . Maybe because of the the sweetness of the chocolate cream pie? The chocolate cream, yeah. Maybe so. Good though? It is good. Yeah, it's very good. It's not sweet. Like it's not like you know, line of the I always say line of cool because I I put line of cool with the summer shiny. That's the only thing I know. Um, it's not sweet, which is the other one. You know, the summer shandy is a little swe eter. Is the summer shandy the best lemon beer? It's pretty good. I mean, what's another one that's out there ? It would have to be that. I'm sure there's something that's good, but that's really good. Yeah. This is good. This is a nice beer, actually. It's nice. It feels nice and light. It's I feel like this is a I could drink that on the lake too. Like that, that that would be, I'd have no problem if if you reached into an ice cold cooler full of line and cougars. Full of line and cugles. What can I get you? Uh just anything. Whatever comes out. One of those? So that whatever that's that's that's how you feel. Like I wouldn't be mad if that came out or the summer shandy came out. Yeah, yeah. Either way. You could drink more of those because it's not as sweet as the summer shandy. That's good to know. Very good. Thank you, Lionel Coogle. Would recommend it. And happy birthday lineel of Co Kogleug. All right, so let's let's jump into a little bit of uh football that is around this year. Okay. Um and I think the first thing that I I want to start with, because what I want to hit is um obviously the draft. April, right? Yeah, the end of April, right? And so we're all we're looking at at mock drafts, we're looking at the the the future players that will be Pittsburgh Steelers and the best choices there. I I will say that we probably especially because the combine just happened this last weekend. So that's like a big the the meat market of the draft. Yes. So I want to touch on that a little bit go into there. Before that I I want to just look into something that happened uh probably a week ago now, um, it's been a minute, um, is the opinions of the current players, or at least of the that were on the roster at a certain point in time when they did these NFL PA report cards, right? They and they grade each team on a handful of things. I think uh from an organizational standpoint, there's probably some some uh benefit in getting those things, right? You wanna you wanna continue to improve, you wanna see if your product is good for the people who are coming to work every day, right? Um unfortunately, I don't think we fare too well in Pittsburgh. Um and I I'm just curious, because I don't know your experience. Did they have that when you were in the league? I don't I don't remember them doing that. I I never remember voted on it and I I mean I definitely wouldn't have um yeah, I mean I would I would have remembered that. I don't I don't remember ever voting on it's gotta be a newer thing. I think it is and I do like part of it is like interesting from a fan. I'm like I'm interested to see all that stuff. Uh but at the same time it feels like hey man that's inside baseball. That's like family stuff. Like we don't gotta air that out. You know, now the the irony of me even saying that is I'm talking about it right now. But like um well the interesting thing about it is like because obviously it's voted on by the players. Um you know I I would like like I'm I'm thinking back on when I was playing, like I don't know that I would have graded our team as like that. Like F's and I think it was a lot of F's and D. It was the lowest rated or one of the bottom three. We were thirty seconds. Yeah. I I wouldn't have like I and I don't even remember when I was playing if people like uh like guy like people complaining about things, you know what I'm saying? Like I don't I don't remember all that stuff and maybe times have changed or people are coming from different teams, like I think that's a big thing too. Like if you come from a different team sure or a different facility and then you come here, you maybe realize like I remember guys leaving Pittsburgh that had only been in Pittsburgh and then hearing from them being like holy cow like this weight room is a lot bigger than what we have. Sure. Or um the locker room's a lot bigger. Or we fly on a different plane. You know, whatever it may be, fields are are in better condition. Like, you know, things like that. Like I remember that. We would talk about the the the condition of Heinz Field um at the time. But but again, that was there was so much extra pit playing on there and um concerts, high school, high school playoff games being on there. Sure. But when I was around and playing, I don't I don't remember people or guys complaining about all the different stuff. I think where where it gets tricky with Pit uh Pittsburgh is that um you know again you go to these other places okay and I'm gonna I'll I'll I'll kind of encompass this in a couple things. I think that most I would love I wish we would I would have done some more homework on this. Um, I think more te ams, their owners, the football is not their mainstay, it's not their main job, it's not their main business business, their thing, right? I think a lot of we we see it all the time obviously in Jerry Jones and some of these other um owners where it's like okay, this is my job, the oil, the tech, the real estate, name it, whatever it is, this is where I make my money. Yeah. The football is like almost fun. It's it's fantasy football tool. I mean, I get I get understand they're trying to win, but it you know it's for lack of better terms, for for talking to it it''s likes my son being like I'm gonna have a fantasy football league. Yeah and that's what he does. He's like I'm gonna have a fun team this year. Do we win? Oh we won the fantasy league. Yay we don't do go next year we're gonna draft again. Like it's just I feel like there's a lot. I mean Jerry Jones even I I don't want to just use Jerry Jones as as that uh as the the the standard for it all, but but I'm just saying because it's we've all heard it and so it's not like you're guessing what people say, but we've heard him say this year something about remember remember he made a comment a few months back about like oil is like at an all time he made some comment about oil being at a is other high and this is where the money is and the team is you know secondary. So I guess in my point in saying all that is when you when your main business is over here making a ton of money and football's not your main business, you can kind of like oh I'll though throw some money there, I'll do this there. I want this to be really fun and this to have a beautiful facility and this that another when that's your when the football is your main business you you've got to be you're running a business yeah you've got to be you know a little more um protective of your of your business and so i i i think there's definitely something involved with that. Because we know the Rooney's that the Steelers are their business. Like that is it's a family business. It's been family from day one, and it's still family, and they treat it like family. You see the owners every day, you see Mr. Rooney every day, you see him at every game. Um he's in the locker room after every game shaking hands. Like there's something to be said about that too. Yeah. You know, like how the ownership makes you feel as a human beyond a player. That's how I felt. Like I was always like I loved playing for the Runies. I loved playing for the Steelers. And no, did we have the biggest facilities? No. But I never felt like less than. And maybe I only knew one way too. Like that's what I'm saying. I only knew Pittsburgh. I only and I and here's the other thing. Okay, I'm just as it just came to my mind. I also came from the Mac, Miami. This is an upgrade. Mm-hmm. I'm sure there's some teams, some players, a lot of players that probably come from the Ohio States, the Michigans, the Georgias, the Bamas, the all these big schools now that have all this money, and they and they pour so much money into their organization that they come here and they're like, oh, this locker room's small, or this weight room small or whatever it is. You know what I'm saying? So there's definitely something to be said about that. And I think I just think that there's also something about the intimacy of having a smaller locker room where you guys are in there and you're you're together and you're playing games together, whatever it is. But um I don't know, these these the again, the players, this is what these players nowadays are and I say nowadays is in because they're the ones that did the the voting. Right. They obviously feel some kind of way about this and and there's some um uncomfortable situations or size of weight rooms or locker rooms or the newness or what I think way they treated family or whatever it is. But um I think it it definitely when you have players coming from other teams, yeah, and the other locker rooms and other stuff like that. And I think too, sharing a building with and uh and a and f a facility with the University of Pittsburgh, that doesn't help either. And I'm sure a lot of that is because it's UPMC, right? It's it's so the University of Pittsbittsburgh Medical Center is the one that probably put a lot of money into that. So they have to share. So we're sharing a cafeteria. Um obviously we have our own weight rooms, our own locker rooms, the building is split in half, but then there's four fields, two of them are ours, two of them are theirs. If they would have that facil ity with four fields, somewhere like in Cranberry, somewhere out like here, here's a five to ten acre spread compound just for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Yeah. Weight rooms about the same size, locker rooms about the same size, but it's just us. I wonder if there'd be any different feelings. You know, where this is just our fields, we don't have to share, we're not, there's not a train track running here, there's not a river there. Yeah. Um where it just feels like it's more home personal personable home space. Yeah. Just you know, it's like, you know, I I I think about going to like Buffalo, um New England, some of those places where all of a sudden you pull into a housing development, like uh and all of a sudden there's the stadium, there's their practice facility, there's like that's just your five to ten acre compound. Oh, yeah. And so, like, I guess that if they did something like that, I wonder if the voting would if it would change much, you know? Yeah. I don't know. And it's interesting. I mean, it's uh again, it's definitely interesting to see. I think me sitting here on the outside as a fan looking in on it, I'm like, um, I also don't I don't need to know that. Like, you know what I mean? I think if you're providing everything that your employees need to perform their job well, I think then it's it becomes a personal contentment issue or preference issue, which is like, you know, that's something that we even talk about entertainment it's like not everything's for everyone but do you have everything you need to do your best work and if that's not the case well then that's uh internal things let me go talk to somebody like hey man I need XY and Z or I need I let me feel as if I have channels to be able to do that internally, you know what I mean? So you're not like you know, you don't want to air out the the logo on your chest, right? But um and we're all on the same team quite literally, but also metaphorically in that like let's move these things forward. Um, you know, 'cause I obviously putting it out in the public and that would put pressure or um you know, a a positive pressure on um on teams if if they're like, Oh my gosh, this maybe I I th I saw like the Miami Dolphins were like number one in all the ranking. You know, like obviously they weren't great this year on the field, but like that's probably a great experience. And my whole my only point bringing that up, and I think you made some really good points as a former player, um, is uh how much of that you think weighs into these young guys, these guys coming out of colleges, a lot of these colleges that do have money to and do make probably their facilities and their experience even better than some NFL experiences because they have to recruit right whereas the league like you don't you're not recruiting talent as much like maybe free agents and stuff like that isn't you know it's bargained shit but when you're getting you're drafting guys it',s like this is you know you're already in that league. So how much do you think these things coming out at the time in which they come out, you know, are influencing players' decisions coming out from the league, coming out of the draft, and and especially in the in the world of NIL where there's a lot of expectation and their experience and a lot of these I mean you're drafting already like you're drafting people who are already millionaires that already have these experiences. Well I think I don't I don't think that anybody coming out in the draft like you said they don't they don't have a choice of Yeah, even even free agents, like if if all of a sudden okay, Pittsburgh got an F and they got rated lowest or bottom three, whatever it is, if all of a sudden someone gets drafted by the Pittsburgh Steelers.'re They no there's no way that a player I shouldn't say no way. I can't imagine a player says, I don't want to go to Pittsburgh because they got an F on their grade card, because their weight room's not big enough, because the family, I don't even remember what all the things they were. You know, there's no way. Ye ah. People say that when they go to an organization or a franchise that loses. You know what I'm saying? Oh, I gotta go to Cleveland. Right. I gotta go to, you know, these traditional like these these teams that have been just go through like Miami, maybe you know maybe slumps, yeah. Just places where it's like not like that's when you say you don't say like, okay, I'm going to Pittsburgh they got an F on this NFL PA grade card. I don't want to go there. Oh, wait. They've had a losing season in 18. You know, like there's there's there's you're not doing that. You're going to places where coaches are, where you know you're gonna get taken care of, where you feel the love. Um, and I thought back to as I think through one of the things I'm sure that was on that report card was like the amount of coaches. Like I remember going to one of the Pro Bowls I went to, and I think it was the Texans staff was there. And I remember sitting in a quarterback room. There were three quarter quarterbacks in there and like four or five different coaches. Like a main coach, an assistant coach, and then like two or three, like just like I don't call them graduate assistants, that's in college, but like assistant, assistant, assistants. And it was like, wait, there's more coaches in here than quarterbacks. And I'm like, is that always like the most beneficial to have that many voices? That's what I'm gonna ask you, yeah. And and I think where you want to overload it, where I would say that if if if there was a place that I would say that in in with the Steelers in my time there where it would have been more beneficial to have more people, was in the the training and in weight room. Now, Garrett Guillemot, love him to death. He was awesome. Marcel Pastor, awesome. They were so good at what they did. They were like a two-man wrecking crew. Yeah. But they in towards the end of my career, they started getting a little bit of help, like one or two people. But if if if if you would start you'd put five to ten people in there, yeah, then more more guys can get treat individual times, treatments, whatever. Like that's the only place that I would say that you know that that I would see where more more bodies would be helpful in that area because so many guys in this at this facility at this level, okay. When you're in college, it's super easy, at least when I was in college forever ago. It was like, here's your program, and like everybody had the same program, maybe not linemen, but all the skilled guys had the same program, quarterbacks, receivers, running backs, da da da. Where here it's so individualized, right? Like every position almost has their own workout. Maybe receivers, DBs, because you're very similar in your body types and your in your skill sets, but like everyone is so different. So if you had like a person for quarterbacks, a person for running backs, a person for sure, sure. Which that's specific. Which a lot of teams may have. I was going to say a lot of teams probably do have. And but that's that's where I would say that okay, I could, you know, if you really if I wanted to nitpick something. Right. That that I I really and and other than sharing a facility with Pitt, which never really bothered me. Yeah. You know, again, I come from a smaller school, so it's different. But that's the only place that I could see nitpicking about personnel. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And the guys that did, I said Garrett G and Marcel were awesome at what they did. They were so good. Yeah. Um, and I've I've only heard praises from the about both of those guys from my limited interactions. Yeah. So I mean thinking about that, thinking about the draft, thinking about um the the honestly, the capital we have in this draft is something that I don't think we've ever had. We have 12 picks I'm looking at right here. And if that's incorrect by the time you're listening to this, uh feel free to correct me in the comments. But that is something that is um I I feel really encouraged to see what we can do in this draft uh with that. There's a lot of of um mock drafts that have been coming out. Um just off rip. We can dive into some of those here in a second, but off rip, as you're watching things unfold, as you're why you you watch what happened in the past season, you're like, okay, I I feel like I know and we've talked about on this show. I know what the areas I want to kind of dial in on moving into next season. Where are you spending this? How are you going to, how are you going to put your GM hat back on? How you gonna go into this draft? I have not a lot's gonna change in what I've said on the past. Um though I think I believe we have three third rounders. And the third round pick is like a really, really big pick because you can get some really good players in there. You know, it's not a fourth round. If you had three fourth rounders, you could trade. Three third rounders are huge. That that is like outside of having first round picks, like third rounders are gold because you can do a lot with that. Um , you know, as I'm going through it, like you could package that up, trade, trade two of those for a first rounder, you could trade two of those for a second and a player. I mean, there's a lot you can do with that. Um, it seems like again, I I'm still I'm still very, very strongly going against getting a quarterback in the first round. Okay. I wouldn't even get one in the second round, personally. Um, if you've got those third rounds and you and you're not gonna do something with them, if you want to try and grab someone in the third round that you really like , maybe there. Um I wouldn't third rounders for a second round to move up to get a second round quarterback. I would not mess with a quarterback this d this draft. Unless again you wanted to just stag one in the third or like late third or fourth round. Yeah. Just someone to compete to have extra bodies, one of those whatever, you know? So I don't want to cut you off because I want to keep your train of thought I just want to imp infuse a question here. Why is that? Are you anticipating the return of Aaron? You're not anticipating the intern Aaron? Like what's in front of you? Yeah, I think I I I have no insight inform in information. I think Aaron's gonna come back. Um just I think Aaron comes back, which tells me you don't need a quarterback. You have Aaron. And you have Will Howard backing him up, and that's exactly what you wanted going into last year before Will broke his hand. And then you just you just ride that out and you see what happens with the season. So I would spend that my draft capital again, like I talked about, building up a team aro und that quarterback position. How about we say we build we build around the quarterback position rather than a quarterback. Okay. Okay. We build around the quarterback position. So I the reason I and I I'm I'm sticking with that as as um the if Aaron doesn't come back, then I still don't draft a quarterback. I'm not doing it. I'm not ready to do that yet. I need to build my team around a quarterback first. I would stick with Will Howard . I would bring in a veteran guy, a uh a guy on a one-year deal, a again, guys all top Marcus Mariota, Carson Wentz, someone like that. And I know there's probably people out there like, what? They're terrible, like whatever. You're not you're not bringing them in to win a Super Bowl right now. If it happens, it happens. But what you're doing is you're bringing them in to have veteran presence around a young quarterback. Because what's the worst that happens if it's whether it's Will Howard this year or uh uh one of those other quarterbacks on a one-year deal? The worst thing that happens is you're building a team in the draft and you end up win ning two, three, four, five, six, seven games. And now you've got a top 10 pick next year. And if your quarterback's out there, whether it's free agency or a drafted guy, now you have a top pick and you don't have to spend draft capital to get there. It's okay to have a down season to go try and get a Drake May. Um, you know, some of the like those young quarterbacks, the Patriots had a couple down years, all of a sudden they've got a guy, and now you you've probably got a guy of the future. Yeah. So and and you're giving your giving Will Howard a chance. I know there's some people out there on the radio and stuff that that are just totally against him, and I don't under I don't get it. Um how can you be against someone you've never seen play at this level? Like you just can't. I mean it's I mean it's who they are. But everyone, I guess. So that so again, I le I I lean towards Aaron coming back with Will backing them up. Um in that case, then go ahead and get a guy in the fourth round, right? Just to be in there. If Aaron doesn't come back, I would put Will, I'd have Will compete with a veteran guy, and then maybe I get one in the third round. Then I would be I'd be willing to move like to take one and one of my earlier third round picks if Aaron doesn't come back. Yeah. Because then it's like, okay, third rounders can be a decent, you can get a decent quarterback. I would absolutely not get one in the first or second round. So there's my quarterback sp iel. I would focus, and it seems like the the team, I know I said before that I would really focus on getting a defensive juggernaut, uh, not a not a not a game changer on the interior. I'd get a game changer in the secondary. And I know I mentioned safety before, that'd be fine you do at some point need a corner opposite of JPJ because JPJ you've got him he's locking people down he's he's your he's your mainstay on that one side you get another guy on the other side. I know you got potentially Ramsey coming back, but I still let let Ramsey move around and play different things. And if you don't, then put Ramsey at corner. But but go ahead and get a corner. Um I don't know I'd go in the first round but maybe second round. Yeah. So first round, it seems like the Steelers are really looking at wide receiver, and I'm not opposed to that either. I I don't I don't hate that. If you think that you've got enough in your line, again, line would always be my first priority, offensive line, first priority. If the draft, I don't know how deep this class is. If this is a deeper class on offensive line, then just push it back a little bit. Sure. Receivers. It looks like there's kind of three first rounders that people are talking about. The kid at Ohio State who will be gone by the time we pick, the kid at um the young man at USC and then the young man at um Jordan Tyson, uh Arizona. Arizona State. I believe, right? Yeah. Um the the USC, I I again think the Highate k Stids gone. I think it's gonna come down to the US C um Lemon. Uh let's say some maybe Makai Lemon and then Jordan Tyson, Arizona St ate. It looks like I would I would take whichever one of those last two guys are there. But I mean if if you're if you really feeling like you need a receiver, which you know, we know West Coast systems, we know that um Mike McCarthy likes the West Coast big receivers moving. I'd take one of those two. Jordan Tyson being coach right now behind Ward, Steeler Legend, that's always a beneficial thing. Had some injuries, but he's a big body guy that you could have out there. And so I I'm not opposed to them going receiver in the first round if they feel like there's a guy out there they really need, because we need someone opposite DK that can that can be dynamic, especially if you're going to lose Calvin Austin in free agency, which you might end up doing. So I'm not opposed to to a to a receiver in the first round. It seems like Steelers lean that way. Second round, I would go either line or a really good secondary uh defender. Ye ah. Personally. Yeah. I mean and you're not seeing anybody that um y you would use some of that capital to move up for? Uh again, if there if there's someone I I'm not I'm not doing it I'm not like trading all three third rounders to go up from the first round. I'm not doing anything like that. If if someone wants if if someone wants a package of a player and a third rounder for me to move up in the third or to sneak into the second round again. If I can get two of those third rounders to get up into the second round, if you're really if there's someone like maybe that's what happens where it's like, okay, um receivers start falling. Like no one takes a receiver early. That's where things like start getting weird. If uh if if tackles start flying off the board, you're like, okay, I got to get up there and get one. If receivers, if DBs, what what if all of a sudden there's um a couple of safeties or corners that are like, holy cow, these they're not no one's taking them. Yeah. Well then let's push that back and let's move up and get alignment. And so I would I would think about taking those third rounders and packaging it into uh moving up to a second a second round. If there's like a position like, hey, we got a chance to get this D lineman that we gotta have. Because I know that that's been an other topic of conversation. Sure. Uh with with the age of some of the guys on the on the the line and um you know again there's a what I what I think you gotta be careful of if you're the Steelers is putting all your eggs into like being like no we're only going receiver in the f like we we have to get a receiver in the first round. I think you can handicap yourself and end up getting someone that you can miss out on something. Or taking someone. We've done that in the past um uh uh drafts where it's like, um, we need to have this. And so we're taking a guy in the first round that we could have had in the second. S Sure. And that's where I think you have to be really careful of that you don't force feed your hand off something you think you have to have. Yeah, and I mean it's because there's been some really good receivers that have been sneaking. There's this kid at Tennessee, a big receiver that ran a four three seven, six four. Oh yeah, I can see that. I mean there's been some guys that are like sneaky that are like, okay, this second tier type receiver, if you can get them in like the second or third round. Well how how does that play out? I mean, you obviously there are people on staff at uh NFL teams that are dedicated to watching college football, looking at prospects, I would imagine like have so much data on these individuals, yeah. How much does their combine performance weigh into or sway any of the tape that they have? So here's my issue with the combine. My issue with the combine is it's like a skills competition. Right. There's you're not you're in shorts and t shirts, you're just no one to go against. Like that's why Merrill preaches and guys that really get into this preach. Like, I want to watch tape. I you have to watch the tape. I'm not going to sit out there and watch a guy go run a 4-3-7 be like, I got to take him because he may not play that fast on the field. You watch guys like I don't even remember what he ran, but like like like a guy like Antonio Brown. Yeah. Antonio Brown, I don't believe, was like a blazer in terms of like a 40 time. Okay. You know what I'm saying? Like, hey, line up on this and run. I'm sure it was fast, but it probably it wasn't like, hey, we're setting records with speed but you know what he did he played crazy fast played crazy quick four four seven four four okay so that's still that's pretty darn good yeah but but he played like a 4-2 guy. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like there's there's difference. Like you can play to a different speed. So that's why you got to watch the tape. Same thing I thought when I watched quarterbacks throw at the combine. There's no one around their feet. There's no pads on. It's just perfect. Everything's the elements are perfect. That doesn't happen in football. So y so you're you're more of a proponent to like leaning on the tape. Absolutely. Like that's great that you guys are out here doing all that. I wouldn't eat I mean I'd go to the combine and watch it with like m like, oh o okay okaykay you're getting popcorn yeah i'm not I'm not I'm I'm gonna go watch them and then you're gonna go I'd I'd rather go to their pro day and watch their pro day where it's a little more scripted and I can see some they're gonna do a lot more things. Okay. So educate me and forgive my ignorance. What is the difference in the workout between a combine and a pro day? The combine is the everyone does the same thing and it's whatever they want you to do. Your pro day is like you put that program together. Okay, I'm gonna throw on the run, I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna I'm gonna do all these things to showcase what I can do. The combine is like, okay, we're gonna have you do a five-step drop. I mean it's it's it's root to you know what it is. Yeah, but there's no variations. Your pro day, it's like I'm doing, I'm showing you some crazy stuff. So if I'm if you're a scout and you have um tape and you have a files on a guy that you like, um what do you go into the combine to to have them either uh affirm your file or like what are you looking for in that? To me the combine's as much about the interviews they have they sit that they sit down these guys and then you you actually get chance. But even then a kid can be super polished and he'll give you all the answers you want to hear. Like I'd almost rather be like, Hey, um you can see through that, right? You can you sometimes these these some of these kids I'm sure are trained. They're agents are like training. Well and I've in in the times that I've hired people, like I part of me is like, hey, I I I can see who you really are underneath all this, but I appreciate the fact that you took this seriously and are and are presenting yourself in a way. So you know there's probably degrees to that. I would send him out to a restaurant and have my team that they were like undercover. You know what I'm saying like have the guy that works down there like hey go just try and talk to him see how he acts, you know, like it's the real person. But no, that's a great test. How do you treat a server? Yeah. Like that's yeah, there's been many of them. I just I again I'm watching highlight tapes, but I'm also a proponent of watching the the non-highlight tape. Like I if I'm gonna watch a quarterback, I'm like, hey, let me see his his his interceptions. Well I mean you've made that point with Will Howard that that Oregon game was like that is when I knew he was for real. He bounced back and yeah yeah. Yeah. Let me see why they did was the interception your fault. Was it the receiver's fault? Was it did you force it? Did it was a bad like like let me see the bad plays because bad plays can tell you, in my opinion, can tell you more than highlights. Yeah. I you know, I can see that. Yeah, I mean this is uh so all in all you're saying that the the I guess the predicted mock drafts that have been coming out, you know, they they do have Jordan Tyson up there. Like it that's something you're like, yeah, I like this. Well, I'll say this too, Spence, because I did I want to answer this question you asked me earlier too. One of the other things that you can do is you can go into a draft and into a uh you know your first round pick and be like, okay, we we're looking at a receiver. Like that that's kind of our our go-to. With this is what we need. We've got these three receivers picked, and we're gonna take the best one available. But you so you need to have, and I assume the Pittsburgh does this. I know a lot of teams do. Is you have your draft board. Okay, here's our top just for round of five quarterbacks, running backs, receivers, tight ends, blah blah blah . Over here, you have a different board that it says best available. Okay? So you might be sitting here saying, okay, here's a here's the top 200 in order of best available. Position doesn't matter. It could be a punter in the fifth spot. It could be anything, right? So what you should do is you should be going through your draft, okay, we you know we know Pittsburgh, we need a we need a receiver. We got three really good ones on the board. There's our top five. Okay. Now, when it comes time for our pick at 21, okay, the the number one receiver is off the board, but number two is there. And it's like, o kay, two's there, that's our guy. But let me, but wait a second, over here, the third ranked for some reason, or the the the let's call it the let's make more less the 10th ranked player overall is there and he's a center. Ye ah. Now you have to be like, okay, that's that guy's there, which we need, but this guy, we have him ranked at number 10. Now there's a we're number 21. We should be on number 21. But because of where people needed whatever they needed, all of a sudden the 10th ranked caught anything linebacker, whatever is there. Now I would probably wouldn't a kicker. You know, it depends on if you didn't need it either, right? If you had if you have Marquise Pouncey center, you don't need to go get the center. But you know what I'm saying? If if there's a guy there on this other board that says best available, and that best available is a Mike linebacker, and but linebackers like it's on our list, but it's like our third or fourth thing. But if that dude's there, you better be really thinking hard about doing that. Instead of force feeding this, you know, it's like it's like again, I don't I'm not gonna throw anybody on the bus. So I'm gonna say any names, but it's like sometimes you feel like you got to fill a position. Yeah. And so rather than wait, you fill that position just because you think you need it right then and there when you could have done that position later. Sure. And take the best available. So that's that's going to be that's that game yeah that's played in the draft room. Which is probably for guys with that personality, love that. They probably love that kind of way. So so where are you, where are you making that decision? Like if is is it an instinct thing in the moment or you're sitting there like, okay, so if we're at 21 and anything above 21 and best available, we're gonna snag regardless. Or if it's like nah or is it come down to circumstance and position? I think it's gotta come down to circumstance because again, you're not gonna go um you know, I'm I'm trying to think of like a position that we absolutely don' t you know like even our center. I'd say our center is a is a he's a great center. We love we love the way he's playing. He's gonna just keep getting better. Now if if the the best available is a center, I would I would say this, I'd be like, okay, could he play guard? Could our center play guard? Like could we bolster our line by getting that guy? Um again, it it it it's it's hard to you know, I'm trying to think, you know, because we need a running back or we need a receiver. Like there it it just just it it's'd be one of those things when you you know you have a guy. Yeah. You you already know that you don't need this. Sure. So you'll just be like ah we're passing on that right now. Um but but outside linebacker maybe or well whatever. know You, I'm not gonna just take a an edge rusher just to take an edge rusher knowing we have TJ and Alex still and and potentially Herbert can be still back or whatever. So I'm I'm always I'm always taking a look. Like I'm like okay receiver but let me just peak that best available. Let me peak that. Does that process? I know we've talked about you coaching and we've talked about your involvement in just football operations. You're like, no, not at all. Coaching that commitment is almost 2x what a player is. Um, but does that internal that scouting does this does that gm esque um skill set appetise you at all or you're like oh that's really cool i want i like the i like the keeping tab on college. But I wouldn't do the whole like some of the like to evaluate everybody is a lot. Yeah. Like if it was like, hey, Ben, would you be willing to just take a look at all the like the twenty quarterbacks or how many maybe how many quarterbacks? I would love to just look like break down tape with like someone be like, okay, and like and not necessarily just like me look at it, like, okay, let's see, I just washed it, let me and then give you my thing. Like I would want to do it with someone and then be like , oh, look at that throw. I'm like, eh, but sure. Look at the guy's wide open. He should hit that. Yeah, yeah. You know, or you know, that that throw was sailed on him, but but oh what a what a great throw into the cover. Yeah, but look how high he put it. The receiver made a great play. Like you know, just to be able to give another set of eyes on it. Sure. I think would would be something that'd be really fun. I would enjoy doing that. So yeah, well, that's our next channel. Yeah. It's called film study with seven. There we go. Yeah. Can you reach into the cooler and give me a line of it? Yeah, yeah, I got you, dude. Um empty. Don't worry. Uh funny would be if we had a cooler over there. Um so yeah, uh again, there's a lot of and there's gonna be a million more mock drafts. There's a lot coming st ill. So we'll just keep breaking it down. We'll keep talking about it, seeing what we agree and don't agree with. Um this one is um this one's nice. This is a Northwoods Amber Um smooth lager with a crisp and refreshing finish. 4.9. You wouldn't think that with Northwoods Amber. Yeah. Smooth lager with crisp and refreshing. Yeah. That's uh it's uh yeah, I'll let you enjoy that beverage. But I I think this time of year is always like um it's always fun for fans 'cause we get to play the game. Right. I think after the the um That's really good too. You could put this one in the cooler with it and just pull me pull me anything. I got 'em over here. Pull me any light. Uh I haven't had a bad one, but we're we're gonna test that out in this last one. And it might be a good version of this last one. You just might hate it. Okay. But yeah, but this time of year is always cool for fans 'cause we get to kinda play the game, right? After the the teams are set and uh you know, free agencies over or whatever trade deadlines. Like that's a team we got. Now we're trying to figure out, you know, how to get it together in the field. But this is kind of like where we can, especially I would say this year with the Pittsburgh Steelers, because there's so much newness. There is really no telling what this Pittsburgh Steelers team could look like. I mean, the DNA of the Pittsburgh Steelers are I would say, like, um it remains in the ownership, of course, it remains in the city, of course, but there's a handful of players that haven't. You know, and but the entire coaching staff has been revitalized and and and you know I I to your point with uh coach McCarthy is like he grew up with it, right? So I think he has a good understanding. Yeah. But uh I mean this could be this could be a completely different team than one where you're we've been used to watching. Well it's gonna feel a lot different regardless, right? Not seeing Coach T on the sideline, uh with shade. That first one's gonna be it's gonna be uh it's gonna be hard to see, but um, so it's going it's going to feel a lot different anyway. Yeah, and so it'll be interesting. It'll be interesting to see kind of the direction that Coach McCarthy takes this team, how how much patience the the fan base has with Coach McCarthy and his which we're trying to get him on the show. He'd be the first coach in like 50 years not to be on the show. Yeah. Yeah. That's wild. Yeah, I think the fan there's such a loyalty to it. Like I think the fan base has um a short fuse with deep roots. Yeah. Right. To where it's like we expect greatness. This is Pittsburgh. We're like, you know what I mean? Like like this, we expect greatness. But like it's also like that's our team. You know what I mean? So it's like I I feel I feel like when you're talking about the quarterbacks, I thought about this. Like, if Aaron doesn't come back, and I I would love to see Will out there and let it be a little bit messy. Yeah. I'm like, let it be messy. And I think I would hope, and correct me guys if I'm wrong, but I would hope that the fan base would be like, yeah, let's work it out. There were there were stretches this pass season with future Hall of Fame quarterback Aaron Rodgers, where it was messy. And we were like, uh it's what what are we doing here? I'm like, let it be a little bit messy. Let it let let let us get the feel, let us write the ship. Like it's a long season. Uh I th and I think I think Will would be again what's the what's the worst that happens with Will? A guy that you don't owe much to you're not gonna own any money to he goes out and doesn't do well and then you're just drafting high in the next two years. What like what but but give yourself a chance with him. I mean you you're I don't know this team is ready to win a Super Bowl right this second. Well and that's the thing if Aaron comes back like is that y he's not coming back long term. No. Right. So you're he if he's coming back as he wants to play, right? Again, I thought the team played well. Obviously, he's a great quarterback, great player. Uh, I think he did a lot for the locker room too, which is I think is amazing. But it's it's all chips in again. Now I know that is for you guys every year you're you only have one goal, but it's all chips in again. And if you're build ing new coach, why not start it, man? Why not start it there? Like new coach, new coach. Like let's just go from here. Yeah, I think it could be really I think it could be extra special with with Aaron and and McCarthy because they know each other know the system. It could be it has a chance to be something special, especially if you build again, you're building this team around the quarterback, whether that quarterback's Aaron Rodgers, Hall of Famer, or whether that's a young dude in Will Howard. Yeah. Either way, you're building around him. So spend draft capital building this team up so that it's a Super Bowl contender in the next like three to five years. Yeah, and I should. you're not it's okay You know what? And it's made be hard, and I know this sounds like a give up. And we've asked Evan this question and asked you fans this question. Are are you okay? And not not giving up, because you're still gonna fight for it. But are you okay having a uh one or two subpar under 500 years in order to have something in the next three to five that can hey, we have a real shot here. Yeah. So I I personally I'm okay being like, let's build this team. Let's let's let's get our hiccups depending on what quarter and with Aaron in there, you never know what could happen. Especially if you build this team, add some skill guys, bullshit that, you know, in the the the defense and just kind of keep that thing rolling. Man, you've got a chance. You've got you've got an outside chance of winning it this year, but you also what you can do is you can build so that in three to five years, it's like, hey, we're we're a we're we're one of the favorites. Yeah, we're lethal again. Yeah, it's and I should clarify, I would love to see Aaron Rodgers back. Like I think that would be a phenomenal run this year. I'm thinking long term. I'm like, okay, he it's he's not gonna play for another 10 years. No, you know what I mean? So like I think this is probably it for him regardless. I would think. Right. And so like yes, I would love to see that this year, but if I'm thinking about building something, you have the legs, because you have to look at what's gonna happen with Aaron in that position, coming back, not coming back, contender, whatever, getting like riding the ship. You're gonna have your sea legs here a little bit early, just because everything's new. And the age of the guys on the other side of the ball, right? And so you have some heavy hitters with contracts that are and not only that, but they're getting older. And so how many like you gotta balance that properly too because as soon as you get fresh blood in there, it's like, okay, are we do we still have a defense that's a contender? Because we're not right now we do. Yeah. But but you know anyway. Well maybe it's time they they they build up this offense and spend a lot of money on offense. What's that? Because it kinda goes ebb and flow. What's that like that doesn't focus on the offense and then fill your defense in. Yeah. All right. Well this is line of Kugel's white milk of stout. I'm sorry, what? Oh. Come on, man. Why'd you make that look? It looks so good. Well, yeah, it just lies to you. Oh. Lies to your face. It's a white mocha stout. See, this is crafted at Line and Kugel's pilot brewery. White mocha stout is a white mocha stout brewery with uh line and cook. I you guys have been great, but the the copy here is a little repetitive. White mocha stout is a white mocha stout brewed with a decadent blend of natural white chocolate, vanilla, and coffee flavors. Oh, you're gonna love this, bro. Yeah, it says made for white chocolate. Made for Ben. Made for Ben. Yeah. You go. Why'd we finish with this is stupid? Yeah, we could have ended this a long time ago. Smells awful. Yeah, that's good. Look at it. Look at the picture. Maybe it's gonna taste better. Like white mocha makes you feel like you're gonna enjoy and stout and it's does a little vanilla, but then it goes right to coffee. Yeah. Coffee is so quick to hitch you up. And it doesn't look at it though. This is how they would trick you. Yeah. Like if they plugged your nose and said, drink this. And you're like, for sure, that's so delightful. Eh. Little white mocha stout . Okay. Okay, break it down for us. So it it's it personally smells a lot worse than it tastes. Oh that's good for you. So it' its's so like okay, aw ful, drink, not bad, mouth finish, awful. Okay. Little sandw ich. It's a little sandwich if a little like it's there and then a little good bad sandwich. Yeah. Nope. Here maybe wash it out with one of the good ones. Nope. Yeah. No, sir. Mine of cool. You did not do it with that one. Not a happy birthday. Not a happy birthday. There's another one in there. I don't remember what it is. Oh, it's like a it's another coffee one I think is in there. No. Yeah, I saved it for you. Big big coffee guy. Big coffee guy over there. It's over there. Well uh hey man . It's good to be back. It's good to be back with you guys, family. It's good to it's yeah, it's been a while since we gave you a bad tasting beer. Any week could be rough. You never know. Yeah, we haven't done beers in a while. Those are good ones. I like that. If you like the white mocha stout, go for it. Otherwise, do the other ones. So uh but no, thanks, Spence. Appreciate you. Uh we will figure out what's next and we'll get back to you guys. Yeah, we have uh uh next epis ode we'll have a nice little announcement that uh people can uh have access to some some some football and merches is oh I didn't OTW on the way, folks. No. Yeah. It's really know that. It's really exciting. And uh yeah, so we'll give it's in in in the lull of the the no football I did I truly didn't. Yeah, it's me. It should be up probably by the next episode. We should have a link for you guys to go check it out, go scoop it. Uh I will say it will probably go fast. Yeah. Yeah. So but it will be available soon. Not right now, but soon. The cookbook's still available. You can go buy the cookbook if you want. That's still available. A couple more of those. And then we're signed too. Yeah. You have I've signed a bunch of them. Yeah. I don't know. I think they're packaging up the signed ones. Oh, so they're not available? Well there's there's Oh, because of what you're telling me. Oh. Yeah. So there is there isn't, but I didn't know the other one was happening so soon. Yes. Boy, you guys are gonna just be in suspense. Yes. In suspense. So when you see us next time, pay attention. What a cool announcement with no information, Spence. Hi. Um, but yeah. All right. I'll let you know. Cool. I'll let you sign us out. All right, you guys. Thanks for joining us. We appreciate you. Hopefully you enjoyed or will go enjoy these beers other than this one. Uh hopefully enjoyed our chalk cream pie. Thank you. Thanks for celebrating my birthday with us. And we will see you whenever we see you. Because we don't know when that's going to be, but when it is, we'll see